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This reads like a total piss job on Gary Locke (never a bad thing, and he'd probably like it).Quote:
Originally Posted by HIBERNIAN-0762
1. I was offered the job.
2. I was offered a longer contract (and probably more money)
3. He has the 2nd biggest budget lets see if he can get them second.
I'm just surprised he never made reference to the Golden Generation.
Anyone see the irony in them kicking off with someone "having an issue" with money taken for a bus that never turned up and yet they dont seem to care they were fleeced on the Share issue?
Or 5-1 and 1902...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
More interested in the Golden Showers i'd imagine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
'Golden Gary' eh?
That could catch on.
Best thread since the stole the TV or Brum jambos mrs turned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee Ryan
Spoiler Alert:
I cant believe the girl making the accusations was pumping him. haha
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Locke got the job cause he was the cheap option.fertovas or what ever he is called clearly aint in the know either.they dont have the finance to employ a new manager
Sssssshhhhhh! I am selling them genuine HoMFC unicorn eggs only £100+VATQuote:
Originally Posted by itslegaltender
Exactly. Houston was just a decoy to make it look as if things are ok and sell season tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Think "Lockey" will turn out to be a dream appointment, for us. :wink: Almost makes we want them to limp on for next season before folding.
They wont pay the VAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Talk sport claiming that mob over the road only have 5 days left?!! :greengrin
5 days for what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
Edit: Someone on my facebook has quoted them as saying "Dunfermline only have 6 days left and Hearts only have 5"
Dunfermline is clearly their winding up order, what's put such a time limited existence on Hearts?
What's the story there then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
Saying Hearts only have 5 days left. Just said it again as folk were tweeting them saying "you mean Dunfermline?" He Keys said no it's defo Hearts.
Keys has just confirmed definately Hearts NOT Dunfermline.
More to follow.
Now saying he's confused and will need to double check his sources. :confused: Do these guys do any research at all?
He's got it wrong, It's DEFO the Pars that only have 5 days left. What a clown that man is.
Apparently now saying it's Dunfermline.
Socket!
He's just confirmed it was Dunfermline he was talking about.
He's just admitted he's made a **** of it.
He means Dunfermline.
The idiot now saying its Dunfermline. :rolleyes:
Booh, we want Hearts, we want hearts.......all together now.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
My heart did a wee dance for a while there :greengrin
To be fair when it is time for hearts to go bust I'm sure that Richard Keys won't be the one sparking the celebrations. Still gave me a semi though.
:agree: :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
hopefully scare stories will push some of the firms owed money over the edge and move first to shut these Barstewards down.
It won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by itslegaltender
Firms who are owed money, at least the savvy ones, will know that "shutting them down" will result in their getting no money. Keeping them alive gives some hope that some money will be recouped.
When even Richard Keys namechecks you as a basket case then you know the games up. He's like a uk wide banderson
Yip thats true, although i cant understand how they run from day to day now? Surely nobody is giving them credit these days, and if they are how bloody daft are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Does anyone know how they are paying bills these days, who is getting bumped, and where the money is coming from?:confused:
I was a bit bored. :greengrin http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/we...5a005356c.html
To circumvent this wretched selfishness:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Might it be somehow possible to find out what is the smallest outstanding debt, publish it on here and .netters could raise, say, double what's owed as an incentive to proceed? :dunno:
That kickback thread is gold. A shame it's been locked as today was supposed to be when the gypsy fighting guy was giving money back lol.
Doe anyone know if they paid us the ticket money for the derby yet?
Due yesterday was it not?
would also like to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
This thread is losing track of factual events and info on whether they happened or not.
I guess, allisbarry and very complex.
Sadly it's unlikely either club would confirm if it hadn't been paid. Hibs have more class than that and Hearts won't want to drop themselves in it. With lack of information to the contrary we have to assume they have paid it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
HEARTS fans who invested in the club’s share issue should receive their shareholder certificates after the forthcoming Annual General Meeting, due to take place in late April.
Formal registration of all ordinary shares purchased is to be done by Hearts officials at the AGM and certificates will then be posted to shareholders. Thereafter, Companies House will be informed that the club has allotted new shares to comply with legal procedures.
When a company registers new shares, it must inform the authorities of the allotment within one month. Ukio Bankas Investment Group (UBIG), Hearts’ parent company, has already approved the process.
A Hearts spokesperson told the Evening News: “The club is currently finalising the annual accounts for the period to 30 June 2012 for publication. The 2013 AGM will be held mid to late April and one of the resolutions will be to ratify and finalise the allotment of the shares acquired by fans at the end of 2012 (which UBIG has already undertaken to approve). Once the share issues have been ratified the share certificates will be finalised and issued out to all purchasers.”
Hearts raised £1.1million through the share issue, which ran from October 27 until December 19 last year. A total of 16,325,000 ordinary shares were offered priced at 11 pence each, with the stated aim being to raise £1.79m. Fans rallied at a time when Hearts were threatened with closure due to unpaid tax bills. Their efforts secured the club’s future and helped bridge a funding gap of nearly £2m.
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-ev...-agm-1-2849430
#AllIsBarry #AllVeryComplex
They've had a much bigger income than normal this season so I'm guessing theyve still got funds left in there bank account?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Fedetovas said though they were about 800k short of target for the shares and they needed to sell out every game so I think they're bound to run out of cash soon, the cup final probably bought them a wee bit more time though.
They would have had the cash from their league cup ticket sales sloshing about (some of which is probably due to the SFL and/or St Mirren) so this month should've been relatively easy for them cash flow wise. I guess they're relying on ST sales plus the dribble of gate money they'll get to keep them going until the players contracts are up at the end of the season. Probably the next big chance of them running out of cash will be when HMRC's first £0.5M is due, anyone have a date for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Not as much as winning it would have though :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Decided to tweet @allisbarry asking if they had paid hibs yet?? guess I'll get eff all back!
Ahh the infamous hearts spokesperson. Think il take that report with a tonne of salt
Everything is fine, all is barry
Crikey! - even disbelief has gone metric.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
@BarryAnderson_8: #Hearts share certificates to be posted out after the club's AGM: http://t.co/18tUpAJcp7 #HMFC #SPL
The Succulent Yam tweeting the above. I've asked him if the shares are registered at Companies House yet.
If ever any more proof was needed that he just makes this up as he goes along.
thenQuote:
@BarryAnderson_8, 3:50 PM, 21 Feb 13
"#Hearts fans: I'm told share certificates will be posted out around mid-March (for those asking) #HMFC"
There's also this oneQuote:
Barry Anderson - Scotsman - 21 March 2013, 10:35
"HEARTS fans who invested in the club’s share issue should receive their shareholder certificates after the forthcoming Annual General Meeting, due to take place in late April"
Then in the context of whether Romanov still has controlQuote:
@BarryAnderson_8
Seems to me Romanov's influence at #Hearts has been diluted. New UBIG board to be appointed. They will have a say in club's future.
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@BarryAnderson_8
@TheJamieRyan 16% isn't control. Combined with his other companies' shares in UBIG, it's more than 50%. No need to be on board to control.
I wonder if he asked why they fed him bollocks about them being out mid-March.
#allisbarry #buttonsuptheback
Maybe he likes being fed bullocks,Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
#suckulentyam
Are you implying he gets his information directly from Gary Locke?Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Might be a load o' pish if it came from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
As much as I've laughed about this whole saga, like with Rangers/The Rangers I am getting a bit tired of it all now..
Although when I did say the same thing about Sevco, it all went tits up a week or so later... :cb
allisbarry#
That convinces me that they're sandbagging. Share allotments don't need to be 'ratified and finalised' at a general meeting to comply with legal procedures but share issues do and this one wasn't. They've ridden roughshod over legal procedures throughout (including failing to produce accounts within the legal time limits) but claim that they're now complying with them three months too late, meanwhile all the people who think they've bought shares don't have anything and have no right to attend the AGM. And wee Alice Barry laps it all up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Male cattle excrement throughout.
If I was a betting man.......................................:cb:wink :Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
So does this mean they'll likely be submitting the accounts by the cut off date the SFA rules states?
So to clarify. What they've done is a deliberate illegal scam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Just noticed the caption under the picture of the PBS says "Hearts fans who bought shares in the club will get their certificatse after the AGM"
I'm guessing Barry isn't responsible for the captions on images either? :greengrin
I wouldn't go that far yet, but what they're saying through their press spokesman is only being said to tread water. Those certificates should have been issued at least a month ago, which was two months after the accounts should have been issued. To talk about complying with legal procedures at this stage is just nonsense and the possibility that it was all a scam remains high.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
I'm guessing Barry wouldn't be responsible for the TV remote in his house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Are you kidding? With all those buttons and stuff? Far too complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Wouldn't be at all surprised if this has been issued due to constant questions from Barry owing to us badgering him. I think they'd have quietly let it drop as the yam herd itself hasn't been kicking up too much of a fuss.
I know a few Yams who want them specifically to attend the AGM. The ones who arent bothered are either doing this :ostrich: or its all very complex and they don't understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
http://i46.tinypic.com/2usct9v.jpg
PleasingQuote:
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
I'm actually starting to hope that they survive. It could be a nice little earner next season; issuing bogus share certificates, running buses that don't exist to games etc etc. When challenged by the odd few of those puddle drinkers with any sort of gumption, I'd just say that it was 'all very complex' and 'we only really owe it ourselves' etc.
That pic's ****ing brilliant. Someone to tweet it to him. :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Wee Barry's eyes look very close together in that picture eh? #allisverycomplex
Well that depends, just like a run on the bank if a creditor thinks it can get it's money from Yams it won't really care if it gets paid & the actions then push Yams over the edge. FWIW I think ( just like with Oldco ) all the small creditors have been incredibly trusting of Yams so far, probably because as you say they hope their survival will result in them getting paid. However it won't take much for a crisis to become a full scale panic if creditors think they're only going to get about 10p in the £. Personally I think this panic will occur as soon as Yams miss a repayment to HMRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Barry Anderson was asked if the new shareholders would be invited to the AGM - he doesn't think they will be, and he doesn't seem to think there's anything amiss with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Edit - it has been pointed out that the Prospectus said that the new shareholders would be invited to the AGM. Didn't say which AGM, I guess...
They won't even get that. They will get nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Hence why it makes sense to use normal collection methods, and the Small Claims Court, to try and squeeze some cash out of them just now.
This is comedy gold. They're talking about compliance and dates and so on, yet by the time they actually publish these accounts they'll be laughably out of date.
What a mess; no share certificates, despite being shareholders looks like they won't be able to attend AGM, some thought they were buying Vlads shares whereas it looks like they were buying new shares.
Wouldn't surprise me if the club don't have a clue how much each person put in.
If the shares were worth 11p at the start, surely with them getting to a cup final and getting a manager of the wage bill they must have increased in value. 1 chance, nae chance!! Lucky if they are now worth 1p.
My guess is hearts will have crowds of 7-8000 from now on, except derbies, for the rest of this season and for a long long time to come. Very wee for a big team now that the credit card has been rejected
1 thing I have never understood throughout Vlads circus is the 'Debt for Equity' nonsense.
How can he have just wiped out some of there debt in exchange for worthless shares.
Surely now with Ukio or UBIG situation now, the authorities should be investigating what the **** went on.
All he really did was to swap worthless equity for worthless debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca70
There was never any prospect of the debt being repaid, so it had no value.
So he swapped it for shares which also had no value. No cost to him.
But the balance sheet looked better afterwards.
Result!
Dam right there there will be an investigation. Basically, one benelovent board member and UBIG share holder said let's give you cash and we will just forget about it and call it equity.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca70
If I was a Ukios Bank depositor, I would not think that was right.
However, what a Scottish political and football pantomine.Logic and common sense has totally gone out of the window.
The only way to end this farce is by the rules and the law. Eg. Accounts by a certain time and all council bills paid.
April AGM....aye right believe it when I see it. Share certificates never need to be authorised by an AGM....even Barry Good time knows that.
But there was/will be a cost to somebody. This money, a lot of it hard cash, has been spent and lets hope the Lith authorities determine whose it was. I suspect there will be few Lith pension funds being revised at the end of all this. The victims of The Rangers scams were, in the main, Ticketus and HMRC whereas in the Yam scenario it will probably ultimately be the ordinary Lith who picks up the tab for the Yam Great Adventure. Thieving bar stewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
They're not shareholders yet, they haven't been registered and according to Alice's article that has to be 'ratified' at the AGM - so if they're invited at all it will be as guests with no right to vote, raise questions or even speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
All the share issue has done is made things rather more difficult for a ptoential buyer - and I have a feeling that was Mr Romanov's intention all along.
If you were an ex-millionaire submariner who bought a football club and then proceeded to preside over a period of mismanagement such that the club is on the brink of going out of business, would you want thousands of additional shareholders to attend an AGM asking lots of difficult questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
And he charged her over £180 for the hell of it. Did she get her money back or is the Gypsy fighting Tully still evading the long arm of the 87.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrenSQH
That thread was priceless, feel for the jambos who were bumped but what a bunch of diluted twats they are. The boy had previous for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Shame that thread got closed was a cracking read :)
Ooooh Barry!
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/557/barryk.jpg
Think somebody posted something similar recently, but not sure if there was a response...Is there anyone that can answer the following?
Have Hibs been paid the ticket money?
Did they pay their staff on the 16th? (Do we take bandersons word for it?)
Have they settled o/s money due to the council?
Will they have been racking up fines for not submitting accounts on time?
Will they get any sort of fine for not issuing share certificates on time?
Would they have been getting chased from various authorities in relation to rates, accounts, certificates?
Why are their fans so ugly?
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Originally Posted by Treadstone
He didnt actually tweet that did he? :big grin:
He's quite obviously rattled if he did though :jmcp: #allisbarry #allisverycomplex
Nope, wasn't him. It's dead easy to fake a tweet (not complex at all ironically) Funny though :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
Suspected as much, he's been getting bombarded with this allisbarry/verycomplex chat for a few days now though. Poor guy :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
You misspelt journalist :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
He deserves it, total bawbag of a journo. And I use that term loosely for him!Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
Interesting info sent to me re the Mortgage held over Tynecastle
http://www.scribd.com/doc/116814601/Hearts-466-06-12-12
Mortgage details on link, the books are linked on second bottom row.
Isn't this the £6.8m UKIO security that we already know about, but which MSM haven't mentioned yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdships
Looks like it. Didn't realise it was so recent e.g. Effective AFTER the share scam had commenced. Good find by OP who should send it to Banderson although to him it will remain all very complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Am not a 'financial 'person ' but that is how i saw it after reading the paper a few times .
All in all it is a very complicated situation which could remain in the courts for long enough before the situation is resolved .:greengrin
Where would that leave any intending buyer ? :confused::rolleyes:
What was the amendment for?
Can one of our resident financial gurus confirm if this is legit or not i.e. should such a large material change not have been made public as part of the share issue at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Did they pay the £13?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdships
Is this a charge on the company or the stadium?
Don't claim to be a guru, but the documents are all legit, copies have been available on the Companies House web site since December.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
The security now being with Ukio Bankas rather than UBIG was no big deal ........ until some pesky Lith admin ruled the Bank was bust and had to close.
The best laid plans of mice and men..... etc. :greengrin
Ukio Bankas Investment Group is UBIG rather than Ukio bankas isn't it? So this document is no revelation?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
#allisverycomplex
Can we close this thread down and reinstate when something actually happens?
It's no revelation at all. it has been discussed on here at length for weeks, almost since it first appeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
The stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
There's been more uncovered by this thread than in the media. Keep it open I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
The same place as they were before.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdships
There were charges on the assets for loans due. There still are. They are due to different people to what they were before December.
Probably to reflect the fact that UBIG owe UKIO at least £6.8mQuote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
Picture taken at the science festival exhibition at Ocean Terminal on Saturday afternoon
Also; Have they paid police match day charges?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7062
When are Heriot Watt going to pursue rent owed?
Do Investigave journalists still exist at the Scotsman?