St Mirren v Hibs

[Chorley Hibee]

To compound matters, we've now got Kensall's little pals causing the club further embarrassment outside the ground.

[Exuberance1875]

Genuinely baffling that any new contracts have been given out. There’s no one in that squad worth holding on to

[Tully]

Was there honestly any change from last season under Monty , same old hibs, we are garbage and every team will relish playing us, lose the first goal then evaporate, make no bones about it we look like after 1 league game we are bottom 6 again and possible relegation material, our club is stuck in a constant cycle of accepting this and doesn’t look like we know how to change it, another long hard season looks inevitable

[scuttle]

Newell could feed a good playmaker enough … we don’t have the latter. Ask yourself. who was the last ? He gets the ball then looks up, and sees nothing..

Then puts it out of play, we need aggression in the midfield

[cubehindthegoal]

Meanwhile one of the most obvious candidates for the job has just won a tricky European game on Thursday night before hammering us 3-0 with a team built on a fraction of our budget.

Trust the process perma-tan Ben 👏🏼

I do wonder … if he was our manager, would we have still lost 3-0 .. or more .. or less 🤔 .. never know .. but would he have changed it, with same players ..

.. our problems are now clearly deeper than we all suspect I guess ..

Got to have stamina to be a Hibee, and I’m running out fast at my age I think … sorry if it shows sometimes my fellow fans 🙁

[Mcbizz1998]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

Yeah we get it. Anyone who disagrees with the world view of a guy named after a terrorist organisation is a racist.

This place is craaaaazy!

[Exuberance1875]

To compound matters, we've now got Kensall's little pals causing the club further embarrassment outside the ground.

This. Absolute clowns

[Coco Bryce]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

The irony 😂

(username)

[SteveHFC]

To compound matters, we've now got Kensall's little pals causing the club further embarrassment outside the ground.

Block 7 just went past our bus with a few police cars behind them.

[Trinity Hibee]

This. Absolute clowns

What’s going on like?

[hibsbollah]

Yeah we get it. Anyone who disagrees with the world view of a guy named after a terrorist organisation is a racist.

This place is craaaaazy!

Well youve got one thing right.
I have a very different world view from you.

[Hibees1973]

Wow. Wasn't expecting that result.

Not sure what were you expecting. I predicted a 3-1 defeat. I was being over optimistic we may sneak a goal.

We are up against a manger who knows how to organise his side and get the maximum out of them. Us, well we cannot beat Kelty Hearts and brought in a new goalkeeper and two centre halfs who we do not have a clue yet how good they are. We found out a bit more about them today though. We already know 3 or 4 of our starting 11 are not good enough. There is plenty of evidence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Every other fan in the country is holding their sides watching our laughing stock of a club. It’s a shambles, all of it.


home fans were enjoying their hibs are falling apart again ditty :(

[makaveli1875]

Yeah we get it. Anyone who disagrees with the world view of a guy named after a terrorist organisation is a racist.

This place is craaaaazy!

It's been like that for years

[1875Hibees]

Well youve got one thing right.
I have a very different world view from you.
No comeback for that one then eh?

[BroxburnHibee]

Maybe we'll stop blaming our managers now.....

[Stuart93]

Genuinely don’t know where we go from here, as dramatic as that sounds

[Exuberance1875]

Surely Rooney would have been an obvious signing for us, knows the league and is solid. Miles better than Cadden and miller

[Montford]

There’s zero confidence in that team
Anytime an opposition team scores first we are going to lose by 2 or 3 guaranteed
Gray looks lost
The Kelly debacle has set the stall and he ain’t going to shake it off
We will be rooted to the bottom of the league by end of September, then the board will have to admit they messed up with this appointment
Hopefully that’ll be the end of them too

[Sylar]

What have I stumbled onto? Some of the patter and comments on here this evening would be at home on FollowFollow.

Stick to the fitba FFS.

[silverhibee]

I think the poster was banned for espousing the same views as the people rioting in England right now.

People. ?

[inglisavhibs]

The first goal I can deal with even though we could have done better, 2nd and 3rd goals were amateur stuff from us.

Still miss some creativity and steel in the middle going off that one game, going to be a long season.
The first goal was the crucial one and sums up Hibs players mentality. Boyle lets his man run off him and then Welsh makes a poor effort at stopping the guy getting a shot in. That would not have happened at the other end. From playing pretty well in the first half we just collapsed from then on in.

[Montford]

Surely Rooney would have been an obvious signing for us, knows the league and is solid. Miles better than Cadden and miller

Or Findlay at Kilmarnock

[CMac1988]

he won't say a thing, unless he wants to be unemployed very soon

That's going to happen regardless at this rate. Might as well go out swinging. Only thing that will change our fortunes is the club spending big to bring in players that are much btter than we have. Given how we've went about our business eso far evenb if we did have the money this bunch have shown time and time again they've not got a ****ing clue so doubt it'd matter anyway. What a mess.

[Mcbizz1998]

Genuinely don’t know where we go from here, as dramatic as that sounds

Agree. We are going to get pumped twice in a week by Celtic and then have to welcome a pretty decent looking Dundee side to Easter Road.

It could get very messy, very quickly.

[bordergreen]

What I can’t understand is some people thought we had a better team than last season and we were going to be much better. I just don’t know where that optimism comes from when you lose your better players and keep the ones who were the problem. It’s just so depressing, there’s something not right at the club.

I don’t know if my inbred Hibernian Optimism had me hoping Gray would make the same team, that has been mince for years, better with a couple of new faces, but that was shown to be absolute fantasy today.

We are still mince. No creativity and a continuation of the comedy defending we are known for. I watched the first half of the Dundee Derby, before our game. Was way more entertaining.

I don’t know if we have officially fallen out with Foley, but that noise can’t be good in trying to find a cohesive way forward from here.

I love Sir David, as we all do, but that today is simply not good enough. We need 3 or 4 quality additions asap, or we are in for another season of mediocrity.

That is not bed wetting. That is reality. #pissedrightoff

[cubehindthegoal]

Maybe we'll stop blaming our managers now.....

lol

[silverhibee]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

Next they will be saying they have black friends so can’t be racist.

[GreenCastle]

It looked like Hibs had played in Europe 2nd half.

Instead St Mirren with x2 ex players who were deemed not good enough for Hibs looked the stronger team.

St Mirren didn’t even have best player playing!

It’s a shambles - this alongside the Kelty result and I’m finding it very hard to follow this team.

[Real Emerald]

Agree. We are going to get pumped twice in a week by Celtic and then have to welcome a pretty decent looking Dundee side to Easter Road.

It could get very messy, very quickly.

It’s so predictable though, if you don’t recruit players to replace the better ones you have lost and you don’t increase the quality of the ones who’ve failed repeatedly, plus trying to fix it with a complete rookie manager, what other outcome can we expect?

[Hibees1973]

Surely Rooney would have been an obvious signing for us, knows the league and is solid. Miles better than Cadden and miller

100%.

Rooney has the fight, physicality and desire some of our new midfielders (Amos, Moriah-Welsh) have never shown.

Where we are just now we need no nonsense signings and guys who we know have performed in this league. Instead we sign rubbish. It's extraordinary.

[Smartie]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

As if today wasn’t utterly depressing enough…

[Curried]

Monty was not the problem last year... it was the squad he inherited and still hang around the dressing room.

[HFC93]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

Aye, a few Tommy Robinson fanboys exposing themselves today.

[distant hibby]

The first goal was the crucial one and sums up Hibs players mentality. Boyle lets his man run off him and then Welsh makes a poor effort at stopping the guy getting a shot in. That would not have happened at the other end. From playing pretty well in the first half we just collapsed from then on in.

Yep that one's on Martin Boyle if he had tracked back instead of being lazy he would have been able to stop the first goal.
Just a gutless lazy performance from the whole team nobody gets pass marks awful second half. Think St Mirren will end up bottom six ..

[TrinityHibby]

This has been scary but not entirely unexpected. We have a piss poor team that hasn’t really been improved on in any department. If anything we are significantly worse off with no Myziane. This is a relegation squad the board need to act asap.

Sadly I totally agree with all of that ……Myziane kept us away from playoff trouble last season and if we cannot compete with a tired St Mirren team can someone please explain to me the process?

[cubehindthegoal]

Surely Rooney would have been an obvious signing for us, knows the league and is solid. Miles better than Cadden and miller

I always seem to read, here, we should’ve got players other teams bought, and not the ones we did. Just an observation … align that to the fact we seem to have a manager/coach versus recruitment/something or other … I’m not sure we might be trying to mimic a system above our abilities ? Scotland isn’t Germany, when it comes to football.

But I don’t know .. just a tired, thinking like, but tired Hibs fan

[Exuberance1875]

100%.

Rooney has the fight, physicality and desire some of our new midfielders (Amos, Moriah-Welsh) have never shown.

Where we are just now we need no nonsense signings and guys who we know have performed in this league. Instead we sign rubbish. It's extraordinary.

You are spot on.

Gogic is another one, probably not a midfielder and maybe we misused him at Hibs, but he had the slippers on again against us today

[Hermit Crab]

Trying to get the manager sacked already by the look of it, Gray should have shipped these players out the door but instead rewarded one with a new contract. :rolleyes:


He will manage that no bother himself with tactics like that. Long balls from the keeper. That'll work right enough...

[JohnM1875]

He will manage that no bother himself with tactics like that. Long balls from the keeper. That'll work right enough...

Bizarrely out to Boyle as well.

[Tambo]

The first goal was the crucial one and sums up Hibs players mentality. Boyle lets his man run off him and then Welsh makes a poor effort at stopping the guy getting a shot in. That would not have happened at the other end. From playing pretty well in the first half we just collapsed from then on in.

Good points, we should be getting our heads up straight after, players just looked lost and no belief we could score. All 3 goals we should be avoiding.

[wallpaperman]

And Gogic was never ‘Hibs class’ according to some experts on here…

[Hermit Crab]

Bizarrely out to Boyle as well.


Lost every header, not surprising though, he's tiny.

[TrinityHFC]

Monty was not the problem last year... it was the squad he inherited and still hang around the dressing room.

He was still a problem.

Unfortunately we have a few years of bad recruitment to work through and it won’t be done over a few weeks.

I suspect the long term signings of Amos and NMW were also part of knowing the investment was coming and we aren’t any better for them being here.

The rest of the window needs to be something special.

[marinello59]

This place has gone full tonto. Racists being racists and then asking whats wrong with it like butter wouldnt melt.

ONE poster made a racist comment and as always they were banned as soon as it was seen. Feel free to volunteer to look after the forum though if you think they aren't being run properly.

[ChuckNor]

At what point do fans make their feelings about how this cub is being run known? Once we are already relegated? We need t get these impostors out.

[tonyrougier123]

Well youve got one thing right.
I have a very different world view from you.

We’ve established this before, but your username is offensive to me,yet you are allowed to push political views on people who you don’t agree with. Absolutely you can’t have it both ways. There’s no moral high ground for someone displaying a sleight on hezbollah day in day out on here. And for the folk who say this was due unofficial merch a good few years ago and you should be given a pass,do your research on this appalling organisation then tell me you want any association with our club.

Not on at all,let alone you lecturing others on moral being.

[cubehindthegoal]

Good points, we should be getting our heads up straight after, players just looked lost and no belief we could score. All 3 goals we should be avoiding.

Yup … heads went down, as they say, after the first goal .. we need to lift our heads up and say fu we are coming back at you after that ..

.. is that the manager / coach ?

.. is that the players (he perhaps doesn’t want) ?

[Hibrandenburg]

Maybe we'll stop blaming our managers now.....

Yes, apparently it's the immigrants fault that a club founded by immigrants keep losing.

[Hibrandenburg]

Aye, a few Tommy Robinson fanboys exposing themselves today.

They're already well known.

[scuttle]

home fans were enjoying their hibs are falling apart again ditty :(

Must admit I hate that song and the fact every club sing it speaks volumes

[Onceinawhile]

Surely Rooney would have been an obvious signing for us, knows the league and is solid. Miles better than Cadden and miller

Aye, but we've already got three right backs on the books! So can't improve without just loading up the wage bill.

Years of terrible recruitment coming home to roost.

[Tully]

At what point do fans make their feelings about how this cub is being run known? Once we are already relegated? We need t get these impostors out.

With the poor uptake in season tickets and hospitality fans have already made there feelings clear, next Sunday when we play Celtic with up to 4k plus empty seats that will also show them, but will they care, after today’s hammering will we see at least 3 players in who could make a difference I doubt it and it could get very nasty for the owners and Kensell etc if Celtic hammer us

[A Hi-Bee]

Well, that was as poor and insipid a display from a Hibs side that I have seen in a long time, and I have seen some very poor Hibs teams.
I have said it for ages that something is just not right at Hibs, almost at the stage of not really bothering as it just sucks, it really does.
We are a poor reflection of a half decent football team. Lacking fight and quality in frightening levels.
The season is just starting and already I don't see anything getting better. First half of huffing and puffing and going no place, second half just a failure.

[marinello59]

Could we just stick to the football now please.
Thanks.

[babahibs]

Aye, a few Tommy Robinson fanboys exposing themselves today.

They exposed themselves ages ago, horrible people.

[Ronniekirk]

We could definitely go down this season.
Too early to predict that but it’s. a horrendous start and some of us did say we don’t know how good or otherwise the two new centre half’s are until we them in the first few league games

[Hibrandenburg]

Could we just stick to the football now please.
Thanks.

**** me, as if it's not depressing enough. :greengrin

[TrinityHFC]

Could we just stick to the football now please.
Thanks.

Do we have to?

[cubehindthegoal]

Aye, but we've already got three right backs on the books! So can't improve without just loading up the wage bill.

Years of terrible recruitment coming home to roost.

I think that’s it in a nutshell …

[.Sean.]

To compound matters, we've now got Kensall's little pals causing the club further embarrassment outside the ground.
By doing what?

[Onion]

All said the acid test for SDG and this new Hibs team was when we played a half decent side. Not sure why anyone would expect a different outcome. The folk who make decisions at our club are going to kill it.

[A Hi-Bee]

Should, we now pair Rocky with O'Hora for the game against the smellies at least he knows what to expect.

[TrinityHFC]

I think that’s it in a nutshell …

I just can’t take to Lewis Miller as a right back. Too much drama. On the ground constantly and doesn’t seem to be developing to concentrating on just doing his job.

[we are hibs]

I just can’t take to Lewis Miller as a right back. Too much drama. On the ground constantly and doesn’t seem to be developing to concentrating on just doing his job.He also lunges in far too much. He's a red card waiting to happen.

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[Jim44]

He was still a problem.

Unfortunately we have a few years of bad recruitment to work through and it won’t be done over a few weeks.

I suspect the long term signings of Amos and NMW were also part of knowing the investment was coming and we aren’t any better for them being here.

The rest of the window needs to be something special.

How can it be something special? We’re presently being run at the top and by a manager who haven’t a clue about where we are going. I feel sorry for David Gray. I think he was in a position where he had to apply for the job but probably didn’t think the idiots running the club would offer it to him. Gordon and gang are the main culprits here and, until they walk away, we have little future.
It’s not the first time we’ve had a dodgy start to the season but today’s fiasco blatantly exposes our dangerous potential.

[Real Emerald]

I just can’t take to Lewis Miller as a right back. Too much drama. On the ground constantly and doesn’t seem to be developing to concentrating on just doing his job.

I’m the same, never thought he was a right back and why he constantly falls anytime he’s touched is ridiculous for such a big powerful guy. He should really be trying to show he’s not going to be easy to knock over, no idea what he’s about.

[Chorley Hibee]

A review of last season's omnishambles has resulted in:

Malcolm McPherson's pal getting a comfortable little number.

An inexperienced manager that no other club in the division would have employed.

A collection of failed employees (coaches,players) getting new contracts or jobs.

£8.25 million disappearing without a reason forthcoming.

Little action in the transfer market outside of a couple of loans and a couple of free transfers.

A split in the boardroom.

The quadrant of crap.

It can't go on, because the owner, and this board, are dragging us into real danger, on and off the pitch.

I genuinely fear where we are heading under these charlatans.

[Willis1875]

I’m the same, never thought he was a right back and why he constantly falls anytime he’s touched is ridiculous for such a big powerful guy. He should really be trying to show he’s not going to be easy to knock over, no idea what he’s about.

Australian Ross Tokely

[Hibees1973]

I just can’t take to Lewis Miller as a right back. Too much drama. On the ground constantly and doesn’t seem to be developing to concentrating on just doing his job.

He is.

Always feel he is on the verge of being sent off. I have seldom seen a more histrionic, acting and unprofessional Hibs right back.

A terrible player and one who sees the red mist and likely to be exposed and sent off in either of the two games against Celtic. Just hope Gray goes with Cadden, who while still not great, is much more reliable.

Know we can't throw Miller out as he is under contract, but as much a liability as Jair.

With these guys in and around the squad we will never have a serious team.

[Hibby70]

My biggest worry was that DG thought bringing on Amos was a good idea. He has shown absolutely nothing in all the games so far.

We have a side full of non-triers with no passion, which added to their limited ability is a recipe for disaster.

[Aldo]

Too early to predict that but it’s. a horrendous start and some of us did say we don’t know how good or otherwise the two new centre half’s are until we them in the first few league games

It’s not just about the CH’s though is it. Boyle for the first and then downhill from there.

We have zero midfield and it’s the same as last year and the season before that coupled with nothing up top doesn’t make for a good mix.

We lack leadership and quality.

[Ardenttwo]

They exposed themselves ages ago, horrible people.


Good grief give it a rest This is a football forum not a woke forum

[Sylar]

The concerning thing is that the cut-off point for significant change to the squad is fast approaching. And one or two new additions aren't turning this around...

It's going to be a totally miserable start to the season and losing becomes an easy habit. Of course, far too early to make prophecies based on 1 result, but it's a sobering start and outlook...

[Exuberance1875]

Australian Ross Tokely

Hahahahaha tremendous

[HibsGW]

This has been scary but not entirely unexpected. We have a piss poor team that hasn’t really been improved on in any department. If anything we are significantly worse off with no Myziane. This is a relegation squad the board need to act asap.

This looks about all that needs to be said. Significantly worse squad than we finished the season with as we’ve lost Myziane, I can’t imagine anyone could argue otherwise. We are in dire need of big signings ready to be main men in the starting 11 otherwise this is a cert to be another bottom 6 season (though quite likely worse than just bottom 6)

[Biggie]

We off the bottom of the league yet ?....c'mon celtic, no mercy

[Alfred E Newman]

I suppose being bottom of the table after the first game of the season takes away the fear of being bottom of the table.
The only way is up!

[Trinity Hibee]

I suppose being bottom of the table after the first game of the season takes away the fear of being bottom of the table.
The only way is up!

😂

What I will say is today wasn’t even unexpected which is the really sad thing. We are a long way off where we need to be.

[cubehindthegoal]

I suppose being bottom of the table after the first game of the season takes away the fear of being bottom of the table.
The only way is up!

yawn .. yet true

[Sylar]

We off the bottom of the league yet ?....c'mon celtic, no mercy

Alphabetical order as it stands puts Killie bottom :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

This looks about all that needs to be said. Significantly worse squad than we finished the season with as we’ve lost Myziane, I can’t imagine anyone could argue otherwise. We are in dire need of big signings ready to be main men in the starting 11 otherwise this is a cert to be another bottom 6 season (though quite likely worse than just bottom 6)

We could have easily got relegated if it wasn’t for the goals of Myziane form January onwards.

[Callum_62]

How can it be something special? We’re presently being run at the top and by a manager who haven’t a clue about where we are going. I feel sorry for David Gray. I think he was in a position where he had to apply for the job but probably didn’t think the idiots running the club would offer it to him. Gordon and gang are the main culprits here and, until they walk away, we have little future.
It’s not the first time we’ve had a dodgy start to the season but today’s fiasco blatantly exposes our dangerous potential.Thats probably disrespectful to David Gray

He isn't some meek individual

If we capitulate the onus is very much on him

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[Real Emerald]

If there is a realisation that the squad is over sized and under skilled, there has to be a clear out.
In order to clear out, we need those players to move on. In order for them to move on, we either spend our signing budget on pay offs, or other clubs look to buy out their contract.
Then we have the players that played today.
Either way, this was never a 1 window fix.
Might not be 2 nor 3.
The positive is that we haven’t hit bottom yet, that’s a journey we haven’t yet travelled.
The hope is, we get loan players that are good enough to play every week.

We can’t wait that long to fix it, the club will be in tatters if we do. We have to act now and bring in quality regardless and take the financial hit. If we don’t we will be in trouble for years to come, possible relegation and crowds through the floor.

[where'stheslope]

We were good in the league cup and in friendlies until we stupidly lost, we were scoring lots of goals.
Everything was looking up, but on this forum people were hoping St Mirren were tired after Thursday?
Then we play decent opposition and we crumble?
The other crowd were losing all their friendlies and they manage a draw against the Huns???
I know football is cruel, but SDG is already looking down the barrel of a gun, with little help from above!!!!

[SaulGoodman]

Went golfing instead of watching the game. Not surprised at the result. Same problems not addressed season after season. Getting pumped by St Mirren is our level now.

We’re just a rich persons plaything.

[hibIBZ]

Does Amos even care about Hibs? Doesn’t look like it to me

Looks like he would rather be anywhere else

[distant hibby]

Today was a good day to loose as we are only one point behind most teams.
I thought I would see a Hibs team today but sadly that second half was lazy and gutless, I remember watching Ally Brazil score a hatrick against Celtic followed by two good cup wins against them at Easter Road. I thought Davie Grey would have put some fire and drive into this team seems not then eh.

[greenpaper55]

We were good in the league cup and in friendlies until we stupidly lost, we were scoring lots of goals.
Everything was looking up, but on this forum people were hoping St Mirren were tired after Thursday?
Then we play decent opposition and we crumble?
The other crowd were losing all their friendlies and they manage a draw against the Huns???
I know football is cruel, but SDG is already looking down the barrel of a gun, with little help from above!!!!

One defeat and he is looking down the barrel of a gun ! Give it a rest, I thought there was nothing much between the sides today . The second goal was a sickener as Boyle had missed a sister just a few minutes before then a short pass back does for us.

[HarpOnHibee]

One defeat and he is looking down the barrel of a gun ! Give it a rest, I thought there was nothing much between the sides today . The second goal was a sickener as Boyle had missed a sister just a few minutes before then a short pass back does for us.

There were 3 goals between the sides today. If this is what we're now viewing as "nothing much between the sides", then we're in very deep doo-doo.

[Colr]

I knew these green shorts were a mistake

Channelling “Golden Gordon” there!

[Real Emerald]

There were 3 goals between the sides today. If this is what we're now viewing as "nothing much between the sides", then we're in very deep doo-doo.

Exactly, apart from being gutless, toothless, clueless, useless and getting horsed 3 nil by St ****ing Mirren, there’s not a lot between the sides. 😂

[HibsGW]

We could have easily got relegated if it wasn’t for the goals of Myziane form January onwards.

Yep, again, can’t argue with that. If this doesn’t work out for Gray (desperate for him to do well but risky appointment when we needed stability) we’re going to need someone to do a screamer of a rescue job on us this season.

[Smartie]

One defeat and he is looking down the barrel of a gun ! Give it a rest, I thought there was nothing much between the sides today . The second goal was a sickener as Boyle had missed a sister just a few minutes before then a short pass back does for us.

Your opinion won’t be a popular one but I agree with you.

And whilst blame is getting thrown about left, right and centre, I think a huge part of today’s mess is on Vente. He’s an absolute travesty of a striker and his attempt from the goal line today was shambolic. We were on top and really playing quite well during the first half, all we needed was to score.

First goal was always going to be huge and whilst there’s no excuse for our capitulation (which then brought blame on all other parts of the team) it’s a different game if we’re a goal up and knocking the ball about.

Vente’s the furthest in our team from being of the desired quality and we really need to be getting shot of him asap, on loan if we can’t get anyone to take him permanently.

[hibeerealist]

One defeat and he is looking down the barrel of a gun ! Give it a rest, I thought there was nothing much between the sides today . The second goal was a sickener as Boyle had missed a sister just a few minutes before then a short pass back does for us.


You can't lose 0-3 and say there was nothing much between the sides!!

IF that is a close game lets all go in hiding for next week, which won't be close!!!

[ChuckNor]

Watched Vente’s chance again and I still can’t believe he’s missed that. Those are the moments where you win or lose.

[CMac1988]

https://youtu.be/QLxK-t_Ya5s?si=l7HaD80J3sOFQot5

He'll be saying the same thing ad nauseam unless he replaces the players who are responsible for the same guff time and time again. How long do we have to wait until some of these players are put to pasture and much better replaces them? Everyone and their dug can see what's needed changed for seasons now but those at the club are blind to it.

[Smartie]

You can't lose 0-3 and say there was nothing much between the sides!!

IF that is a close game lets all go in hiding for next week, which won't be close!!!

Saying there’s nothing between the sides is maybe a bit strong… but I thought we shaded the first half, capitulated horribly for 20 minutes after the break, then huffed and puffed after that.

We were second best and deserved to lose over the piece but we weren’t pumped for 90 minutes.

[Biggie]

It's the little things in life that please you......4 nil cellic

[Smartie]

Watched Vente’s chance again and I still can’t believe he’s missed that. Those are the moments where you win or lose.

It’s abysmal.

He shouldn’t be playing for us again.

His form since Elgin has been the worst I’ve ever seen from a Hibs striker and it’s costing us.

Auntie’s baws and all that but a professional footballer scoring a chance like that makes that a very different game.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Good grief give it a rest This is a football forum not a woke forum

I know what a football forum is, but what on earth is a woke forum?

Is that a forum for people with different political views to you?

[HarpOnHibee]

Saying there’s nothing between the sides is maybe a bit strong… but I thought we shaded the first half, capitulated horribly for 20 minutes after the break, then huffed and puffed after that.

We were second best and deserved to lose over the piece but we weren’t pumped for 90 minutes.

The problem is, playing well while having fundamentally no meaningful impact on the game, isn't really playing well at all. We're lacking in the areas that matter the most. Scoring goals and preventing goals. Nothing else we do throughout the course of a match ultimately matters. If we don't score goals and don't prevent goals, we lose games. Only the score line matters. Maybe we should focus on those things.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I know what a football forum is, but what on earth is a woke forum?

Is that a forum for people with different political views to you?


some seem to try label those being "woke" as a kind of slur but actually it means............


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therefore people should be proud to be labelled as "woke" :agree:


p.s. apologies admin if this info is on the wrong forum, but the question was asked/answered :greengrin

[Smartie]

The problem is, playing well while having fundamentally no meaningful impact on the game, isn't really playing well at all. We're lacking in the areas that matter the most. Scoring goals and preventing goals. Nothing else we do throughout the course of a match ultimately matters. If we don't score goals and don't prevent goals, we lose games. Only the score line matters. Maybe we should focus on those things.

Problem is, after a game like that - and it really was a mess - you can make a justification for replacing every player, every department of the team, and that’s just not practical.

Personally - I thought it was the final third stuff that was most costly. They didn’t do their job when we needed first, the other problems ended up happening later.

[babahibs]

Good grief give it a rest This is a football forum not a woke forum

Haha, I was wondering when the w word would raise it's head, hilarious that some people think it's an insult.

[babahibs]

It’s abysmal.

He shouldn’t be playing for us again.

His form since Elgin has been the worst I’ve ever seen from a Hibs striker and it’s costing us.

Auntie’s baws and all that but a professional footballer scoring a chance like that makes that a very different game.

He's awful, a mate from overseas was with me at the Peterhead game last week, he couldn't believe how poor he was, his exact words were "that's never a Hibs striker in a million years".

Hard to disagree unfortunately. Needs replaced.

[babahibs]

some seem to try label those being "woke" as a kind of slur but actually it means............


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therefore people should be proud to be labelled as "woke" :agree:


p.s. apologies admin if this info is on the wrong forum, but the question was asked/answered :greengrin

Well said Cabbage :agree:

[Lago]

ONE poster made a racist comment and as always they were banned as soon as it was seen. Feel free to volunteer to look after the forum though if you think they aren't being run properly.
Will said:aok:

[RIP]

Not sure what were you expecting. I predicted a 3-1 defeat. I was being over optimistic we may sneak a goal.

We are up against a manger who knows how to organise his side and get the maximum out of them. Us, well we cannot beat Kelty Hearts and brought in a new goalkeeper and two centre halfs who we do not have a clue yet how good they are. We found out a bit more about them today though. We already know 3 or 4 of our starting 11 are not good enough. There is plenty of evidence.

I predicted 0-4. My sister is a Buddie and the whole club is on a high under the current management. Robinson had Motherwell 3rd in the SPL before he went to Morecambe and he's going to be just as successful with St Mirren. It's his tactical and motivational abilities that are his main strengths.

[Lago]

I suppose being bottom of the table after the first game of the season takes away the fear of being bottom of the table.
The only way is up!
Unfortunately we're 2nd bottom not reached bottom yet saving it for Celtic game

[HarpOnHibee]

Problem is, after a game like that - and it really was a mess - you can make a justification for replacing every player, every department of the team, and that’s just not practical.

Personally - I thought it was the final third stuff that was most costly. They didn’t do their job when we needed first, the other problems ended up happening later.

Of course it was the final third stuff. Because it's the final third where things actually happen. Whether that be our own final third or the oppositions final third. We don't do enough in our own final third and we concede far too easily in the oppositions final third. But some people seem to think this is ok, because we knock the ball around a bit in the middle of the park which is ultimately irrelevant to the overall result of the game. We put so much emphasis on trying to appear good rather than being effective and the result is a team that knocks the ball around well, but doesn't know how to score goals or prevent goals.

[Rob]

https://youtu.be/QLxK-t_Ya5s?si=l7HaD80J3sOFQot5

He'll be saying the same thing ad nauseam unless he replaces the players who are responsible for the same guff time and time again. How long do we have to wait until some of these players are put to pasture and much better replaces them? Everyone and their dug can see what's needed changed for seasons now but those at the club are blind to it.
According to MM, we won't see a proper clear out until next Summer, when a lot of the remaining deadwood go out of contract. Problem with that is, we could be in the Championship by then.

[SHODAN]

Haha, I was wondering when the w word would raise it's head, hilarious that some people think it's an insult.

I need the phrase "proud user of a woke forum" in my hibs.net epitaph when I die.

[Aldo]

It’s abysmal.

He shouldn’t be playing for us again.

His form since Elgin has been the worst I’ve ever seen from a Hibs striker and it’s costing us.

Auntie’s baws and all that but a professional footballer scoring a chance like that makes that a very different game.

I’ll add Boyle to your post.
Posted missing again today and gave us zero.

[GreenCastle]

According to MM, we won't see a proper clear out until next Summer, when a lot of the remaining deadwood go out of contract. Problem with that is, we could be in the Championship by then.

This waiting till next summer chat from MM is so bad.

Plenty teams fix teams quickly - we always have an excuse.

It’s just not good enough from the club and they need to get rid of the deadwood as it’s doing no one any good them still being at club exact them picking up salaries for not doing much.

[Swedish hibee]

I just can't believe that David gray hasn't seen what we've seen the last few seasons, and done nothing.
Ok, he's go new defenders. Maybe today was just a one off in defence- I hope so!
But our midfield & strikers simply aren't good enough. And I'm really not convinced about our goalkeeper.

[we are hibs]

This waiting till next summer chat from MM is so bad.

Plenty teams fix teams quickly - we always have an excuse.

It’s just not good enough from the club and they need to get rid of the deadwood as it’s doing no one any good them still being at club exact them picking up salaries for not doing much.It's also a ridiculous arguement that the fans need to suffer another year of this pish through no fault of ours, because of mistakes those upstairs have made over the last few years. With no guarantees that next summer they'll all of a sudden get it right and that they won't saddle us with even more dross on long term deals.







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[Skol]

The situation I feared with the removal of Montgomery and appointment of Gray appears to be a reality, and sooner than I thought it might.

It is clear that the managers are not our problem and ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery have all been asked to make good with inadequate resources.

The one good thing is that Gray being a club legend should hopefully be given more time than his predecessors were allowing the focus to be on where the real problems lie.

[j'adorehibs]

Your opinion won’t be a popular one but I agree with you.

And whilst blame is getting thrown about left, right and centre, I think a huge part of today’s mess is on Vente. He’s an absolute travesty of a striker and his attempt from the goal line today was shambolic. We were on top and really playing quite well during the first half, all we needed was to score.

First goal was always going to be huge and whilst there’s no excuse for our capitulation (which then brought blame on all other parts of the team) it’s a different game if we’re a goal up and knocking the ball about.

Vente’s the furthest in our team from being of the desired quality and we really need to be getting shot of him asap, on loan if we can’t get anyone to take him permanently.

Add Boyle to that ! Up front we were woeful. Boyle clearly past it and Vente not level required. Hopefully Myko can deliver but to do so we need a midfield that can create chances and wing backs that can cross a ball

[hibeerealist]

The situation I feared with the removal of Montgomery and appointment of Gray appears to be a reality, and sooner than I thought it might.

It is clear that the managers are not our problem and ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery have all been asked to make good with inadequate resources.

The one good thing is that Gray being a club legend should hopefully be given more time than his predecessors were allowing the focus to be on where the real problems lie.


There is a well known saying for this and it contains the words lipstick & pig!

[H18S NX]

Of course it was the final third stuff. Because it's the final third where things actually happen. Whether that be our own final third or the oppositions final third. We don't do enough in our own final third and we concede far too easily in the oppositions final third. But some people seem to think this is ok, because we knock the ball around a bit in the middle of the park which is ultimately irrelevant to the overall result of the game. We put so much emphasis on trying to appear good rather than being effective and the result is a team that knocks the ball around well, but doesn't know how to score goals or prevent goals....Absolutely m8,very well put:aok:

[Real Emerald]

The situation I feared with the removal of Montgomery and appointment of Gray appears to be a reality, and sooner than I thought it might.

It is clear that the managers are not our problem and ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery have all been asked to make good with inadequate resources.

The one good thing is that Gray being a club legend should hopefully be given more time than his predecessors were allowing the focus to be on where the real problems lie.

The problem with it being David Gray is he has no past experience to call on. He can’t even say don’t worry I’ll fix it because I’ve done it before. He’s a rabbit caught in the headlights. I actually think he’ll turn out to be a really good manager but his first job shouldn’t be trying to fix this basket case.

He would not have been appointed manager of any other club in this league and Hibs should not have been giving him the gig under our current predicament. He may have been an option taking over a good side if the manager had moved on to better things and he was starting with good foundations. He’s been launched up 💩 creek without a paddle. Such a shame.

[Exuberance1875]

Serious question as to why Cadden came on at right wing, never a right back but he’s certainly not a right winger at Premiership standard

[Rob]

The situation I feared with the removal of Montgomery and appointment of Gray appears to be a reality, and sooner than I thought it might.

It is clear that the managers are not our problem and ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery have all been asked to make good with inadequate resources.

The one good thing is that Gray being a club legend should hopefully be given more time than his predecessors were allowing the focus to be on where the real problems lie.
Yeah, like when Franck got the job.

[Murphys Touch]

Serious question as to why Cadden came on at right wing, never a right back but he’s certainly not a right winger at Premiership standard

I agree but when you frame it another way “How inefficient are Jair, McKirdy, Whittaker and Boyle that we need to try Cadden as RW” it highlights the utter dross that this inexperienced manager has to deal with

That goes across the whole pitch - Gray has no chance.

We are miles worse than last year and an injury or two away from being the worse team In my lifetime…got to hope the legend in charge can get more out them than Butcher could get out his woeful team

[Smartie]

Serious question as to why Cadden came on at right wing, never a right back but he’s certainly not a right winger at Premiership standard

He had a few pretty decent performances there during that 2nd half of the season under Johnson, with Egan-Riley playing behind him at RB.

Do you stick Boyle elsewhere to accommodate him there though? Not for me.

[tonyrougier123]

The full backs are abysmal at defending btw I’ll add that.
Not in a good place this team whatsoever.

[Stuart93]

We’re an utter laughingstock as well.

[ChuckNor]

Even though I knew we’d lose today and that our squad was woefully out of shape, I’m still sat here totally in disbelief about that result today. It’s like I convinced myself we’d be sound because surely someone at the club would be moaning about how bad we are. The silence is making it worse. Someone at the club needs to acknowledge that we are in an incredibly bad place. They need to explain to us why we haven’t been making the signings we were promised. Why the investment isn’t being used. Why they’re risking us getting relegated? Why is Ben Kensell still in a job?

The club really is a disaster and the sad truth is it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better - if it even does.

Ben Kensell has run this club into the ground. The day he leaves will be a very good day.

[basehibby]

Sounds like a bloody awful performance to start the season. If there is any positive it's surely that MM et al have been left in no doubt whatsoever about what's required.
Massive injection of quality needed over the coming weeks if we are to avoid a season flirting with relegation.

[Stuart93]

Sounds like a bloody awful performance to start the season. If there is any positive it's surely that MM et al have been left in no doubt whatsoever about what's required.
Massive injection of quality needed over the coming weeks if we are to avoid a season flirting with relegation.

If they’ve only just realised that after todays game then we really are in trouble

[B.H.F.C]

Not long home and not sure where you even start with that. There are so many things at the club that are broken beyond belief.

First half was actually all right, standing at half time saying that the game was there to win. And it was. We never came out in the second half, right from kick off we never got started. To capitulate the way we did to a team like that is abysmal and worrying. We have a team that are totally devoid of anything. Lack of willingness to work hard, lack of fight, lack of guts, lack of quality.

Problems go beyond those on the park but they aren’t blameless. They haven’t been created by Gray, but that is now two terrible results and for me he has made some questionable decisions already. He’s going to get some patience from the fans because of who he is, but he needs to get results now. The consistent, crap decisions by those above are all catching up with us now. I fear for us this season. We could end up in big trouble.

[tonyrougier123]

Not long home and not sure where you even start with that. There are so many things at the club that are broken beyond belief.

First half was actually all right, standing at half time saying that the game was there to win. And it was. We never came out in the second half, right from kick off we never got started. To capitulate the way we did to a team like that is abysmal and worrying. We have a team that are totally devoid of anything. Lack of willingness to work hard, lack of fight, lack of guts, lack of quality.

Problems go beyond those on the park but they aren’t blameless. They haven’t been created by Gray, but that is now two terrible results and for me he has made some questionable decisions already. He’s going to get some patience from the fans because of who he is, but he needs to get results now. The consistent, crap decisions by those above are all catching up with us now. I fear for us this season. We could end up in big trouble.

Robinson made a change at ht and it totally bamboozled us.

[Baader]

Sadly the club is in a real mess. It's bad.

[JimBHibees]

Monty was not the problem last year... it was the squad he inherited and still hang around the dressing room.

Kind of where i have been since Aberdeen game. Any player who downs tools to get rid of a manager can never be trusted.

[mcohibs]

Ah well. Are there any ex players birthdays we can look forward to hearing about this coming week?

Trust the process.

[Murphys Touch]

Robinson made a change at ht and it totally bamboozled us.

He made one at HT and also a little tinker at 30 mins. The audio was broken for me on HTV so I had to endure the St Mirren commentary. Was grim but they made an interesting point that Robinson manages the games in 1/4s and usually makes 2 or 3 tactical changes before and during HT

We got bullied I think, kicked off the park in first half and players didn’t fancy it. Our big players at that: Miller, Obita, Newell, ******g Campbell, Boyle, Vente…..bottled it from the fight

[jeffers]

Robinson made a change at ht and it totally bamboozled us.

Trouble is we didn’t have anyone to bring on and change the game. When Rudi went off I’d have brought on Tavares instead of Cadden. The fact I’m even suggesting that shows how bad things are.

[Murphys Touch]

Trouble is we didn’t have anyone to bring on and change the game. When Rudi went off I’d have brought on Tavares instead of Cadden. The fact I’m even suggesting that shows how bad things are.

Nutshell aye

[HFC93]

Ah well. Are there any ex players birthdays we can look forward to hearing about this coming week?

Trust the process.

Aye, I'm sure we've no doubt got an exciting announcement about a new partnership with a crypto currency firm to look forward to.

[snedzuk]

Trouble is we didn’t have anyone to bring on and change the game. When Rudi went off I’d have brought on Tavares instead of Cadden. The fact I’m even suggesting that shows how bad things are.

We said that as well. At least he looks as if he cares. We also said McKirdy purely because he got into an argument with the linesman about a corner we didn't get when he was warming up. Grasping at straws.

[snedzuk]

Not long home and not sure where you even start with that. There are so many things at the club that are broken beyond belief.

First half was actually all right, standing at half time saying that the game was there to win. And it was. We never came out in the second half, right from kick off we never got started. To capitulate the way we did to a team like that is abysmal and worrying. We have a team that are totally devoid of anything. Lack of willingness to work hard, lack of fight, lack of guts, lack of quality.

Problems go beyond those on the park but they aren’t blameless. They haven’t been created by Gray, but that is now two terrible results and for me he has made some questionable decisions already. He’s going to get some patience from the fans because of who he is, but he needs to get results now. The consistent, crap decisions by those above are all catching up with us now. I fear for us this season. We could end up in big trouble.

I go to the games with my Mrs who knows even less than I do. 10 mins into the second half she observed Gray must have said at half time 'more of the same lads' whereas Robinson must've given his lot a rocket. Seems she was right.

[Real Emerald]

Trouble is we didn’t have anyone to bring on and change the game. When Rudi went off I’d have brought on Tavares instead of Cadden. The fact I’m even suggesting that shows how bad things are.

I would have brought Tavares on too, the group, for entertainment. How have we got this bad?

[silverhibee]

It's the little things in life that please you......4 nil cellic

Doesn’t bode well for next Sunday though. :cool2:

[Nicho87]

I’m 110% backing gray so far away - disconnected with the club, board is another story

However on the match and how it changed

I do think taking rudi off was questionable, he was unlucky not to score first half. Then just before he was subbed off won the ball back and delivered a good pass to Boyle. Put a good fight up against a big street wise buddy in Rooney

Again like others had said if it was tiredness I would have brought on jair, I’ve never said that before. But for pace alone thought he may have caused Rooney problems.

We’re so far off a good squad still it’s seriously worrying

Recruitment team and the board coughing up the cash for gray is the biggest concern.

Soft as **** at the back still

[truehibernian]

I go to the games with my Mrs who knows even less than I do. 10 mins into the second half she observed Gray must have said at half time 'more of the same lads' whereas Robinson must've given his lot a rocket. Seems she was right.

What was more worrying was DG regularly repeating some tired cliche in the media all week about never over celebrating the highs or dwelling to much on the lows - no David, that’s what creates mediocrity and allows players that window of opportunity to know their manager won’t be overly worried about defeats. Which contradicts his ‘pushing standards’ mantra he’s been pushing.

[He's here!]

I note that SDG described today as 'unacceptable'. What does this actually mean? That he doesn't accept it? Well it happened so presumably he has to accept it. What's the alternative? Drop every player who contributed to the performance?

The answer of course is that nothing will happen because it's just one of endless meaningless managerial soundbites to give the impression that some kind of remedy exists.

I'd rather he just came out and said, god that was garbage.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Didn’t see the game today, but how did the new centre half’s do? It’s been suggested plenty on here that they’re improvements on what we had without any real evidence to show that so far.

[Coco Bryce]

I note that SDG described today as 'unacceptable'. What does this actually mean? That he doesn't accept it? Well it happened so presumably he has to accept it. What's the alternative? Drop every player who contributed to the performance?

The answer of course is that nothing will happen because it's just one of endless meaningless managerial soundbites to give the impression that some kind of remedy exists.

I'd rather he just came out and said, god that was garbage.

But will still play the same midfield against Celtic.

[Coco Bryce]

Didn’t see the game today, but how did the new centre half’s do? It’s been suggested plenty on here that they’re improvements on what we had without any real evidence to show that so far.

All over the place sadly.

Goalie looked suspect as well.

[ChuckNor]

All over the place sadly.

Goalie looked suspect as well.

O’Hara was fine. Eki made a poor mistake for the goal. And we seem to have signed a goalie who can’t save a shot again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

All over the place sadly.

Goalie looked suspect as well.

Cheers.

Goalie was another that has been claimed to have been ‘upgraded’ without any real evidence and I see ChuckNor is critical of him as well.

[B.H.F.C]

But will still play the same midfield against Celtic.

I don’t think he will. He’ll persist with Newell and Campbell but will drop Moriah-Welsh. That will be the way of it, it will be those two plus one other who chops and changes. With them making up the bulk of whatever combination we field, the same things will continue to happen.

[B.H.F.C]

Cheers.

Goalie was another that has been claimed to have been ‘upgraded’ with any real evidence and I see ChuckNor is critical of him as well.

I wasn’t sure about the goalie at the second goal. The ball just seemed to float in. Defender in front of him might not have helped though.

[Nicho87]

First real test for him this season

Done well at set pieces and corners I thought

Distribution could be improved

[Callum_62]

I still can't see any blame for bursik?

The first is smashed Into the corner

The 2nd is a header back across that OHora almost blocks but I imagine totally unsights the keeper

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[Smartie]

I wasn’t sure about the goalie at the second goal. The ball just seemed to float in. Defender in front of him might not have helped though.

I thought he was unsighted.

[Chorley Hibee]

I don’t think he will. He’ll persist with Newell and Campbell but will drop Moriah-Welsh. That will be the way of it, it will be those two plus one other who chops and changes. With them making up the bulk of whatever combination we field, the same things will continue to happen.

With our current options, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic springs to mind.

[Glory Lurker]

Imagine how bad it would have been if St Mirren hadn't had a European game midweek. We absolutely stink.

[ChuckNor]

The thought of what Celtic are going to do to this side over the next two weeks…

[Coco Bryce]

O’Hara was fine. Eki made a poor mistake for the goal. And we seem to have signed a goalie who can’t save a shot again.

O'Hora was suspect for 2nd & 3rd goal.

[McGruber]

I still can't see any blame for bursik?

The first is smashed Into the corner

The 2nd is a header back across that OHora almost blocks but I imagine totally unsights the keeper

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He's got a part to play in the first- his reaction seemed to suggest he knew it too. Good finish but from that angle and where he was expect the keeper to be in the equation. Never got his angles great. Only 1st game though

[BILLYHIBS]

Just watched it back Eggpotatoes pass back to the goalie ?

What was he thinking ?

Dearie me

[ChuckNor]

O'Hora was suspect for 2nd & 3rd goal.

Interested to hear how he was suspect for the second goal? Seemed fairly clear it was a bad pass back and a very poor shout from the keeper to ask for the ball.

[ChuckNor]

Just watched it back Eggpotatoes pass back to the goalie ?

What was he thinking ?

Dearie me

If Rocky made this mistake there would be a 20 page thread calling for his head. Hopefully Eki comes good but you don’t get much worse for your first league start.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Rocky made this mistake there would be a 20 page thread calling for his head. Hopefully Eki comes good but you don’t get much worse for your first league start.

This is why I was wary of all the posts over the last month or so that were insistent we’d improved our centre half’s etc.

They had been completely unchallenged by lower league teams and there was little to go on other than blind optimism. First chance they get against a team at our level they’ve had a bit of a horror show.

[theonlywayisup]

Re criticism of our goalkeeper, I'd say he's the least of our problems at the moment. First was a well struck shot into the corner and totally exposed for the second & third goals. The failings for all three began well before he needed to act.

[theonlywayisup]

Apologies if it's been asked already, but any idea why we made no subs after Kukharevych and Amos came on? Is this a message that SDG has zero confidence in the subs he has with Bushiri, Levitt, McKirdy, Tavares and Megwa all kept on the bench. With the delays, there must have been at least 30 minutes left to make an impact (yes, I know).

[HibbyAndy]

This is why I was wary of all the posts over the last month or so that were insistent we’d improved our centre half’s etc.

They had been completely unchallenged by lower league teams and there was little to go on other than blind optimism. First chance they get against a team at our level they’ve had a bit of a horror show.

:agree:

Said exactly the same at the time , Real test would be premier league not Peterhead Elgin and the likes

[Gloucester Hibs]

O’Hara was fine. Eki made a poor mistake for the goal. And we seem to have signed a goalie who can’t save a shot again.

The return of Chris Maxwell. The header for their second looked saveable

[Exuberance1875]

The whole team looked so slow on and off the ball, people jogging back etc.

You can miss place as many passes as you want and miss chances but failing to give 100% is bare minimum and about 90% of them didn’t want to be out there today

[Exuberance1875]

The return of Chris Maxwell. The header for their second looked saveable

O’Hora didn’t help himself there either. After the back pass he just stands at the edge of the box waiting on god knows what to happen.

Awful reactions from so many, it’s effectively finger pointing rather than helping people out. Would that have happened at the other end? No

[theonlywayisup]

O’Hora didn’t help himself there either. After the back pass he just stands at the edge of the box waiting on god knows what to happen.

Awful reactions from so many, it’s effectively finger pointing rather than helping people out. Would that have happened at the other end? No

Yes, in an instant you could see the Saints striker rushing to intercept the backpass not one Hibs player responded to this threat.

[B.H.F.C]

Apologies if it's been asked already, but any idea why we made no subs after Kukharevych and Amos came on? Is this a message that SDG has zero confidence in the subs he has with Bushiri, Levitt, McKirdy, Tavares and Megwa all kept on the bench. With the delays, there must have been at least 30 minutes left to make an impact (yes, I know).

Amos was a weird sub for me. He’s shown absolutely nothing since he’s been here. I know Levitt has under performed since he’s been here but he’s looked better than Amos over pre season and the League Cup and actually looks to be positive on the ball. He’s also one of the few players who will have a shot from outside the box if he gets a chance.

[B.H.F.C]

The whole team looked so slow on and off the ball, people jogging back etc.

You can miss place as many passes as you want and miss chances but failing to give 100% is bare minimum and about 90% of them didn’t want to be out there today

There were times where we looked absolutely burst trying to run back.

The third goal was the obvious one but there was one in the first half (ended up being offside when Marv hurt himself) where Campbell gave the ball away in their half but ended up running past nearly our whole team and got the ball in our six yard box.

[SickBoy32]

Amos was a weird sub for me. He’s shown absolutely nothing since he’s been here. I know Levitt has under performed since he’s been here but he’s looked better than Amos over pre season and the League Cup and actually looks to be positive on the ball. He’s also one of the few players who will have a shot from outside the box if he gets a chance.

I thought Amos was a disgrace yesterday to be honest. Half hearted jogging round the pitch, pulled out of a least three 50/50s - just going through the motions really.

Why can’t we sign a proper midfielder

[ChuckNor]

I thought Amos was a disgrace yesterday to be honest. Half hearted jogging round the pitch, pulled out of a least three 50/50s - just going through the motions really.

Why can’t we sign a proper midfielder

Funny, I never really noticed this. I felt that way at the Kelty game but not yesterday. I’ve seen him take a criticism for his performance yesterday off of a few posters so I must be wrong with my own view.

[7Hero]

If Rocky made this mistake there would be a 20 page thread calling for his head. Hopefully Eki comes good but you don’t get much worse for your first league start.

rocky's first mistake that lead to a goal didn;t result in a 20 page thread either..

[flash]

Amos was a weird sub for me. He’s shown absolutely nothing since he’s been here. I know Levitt has under performed since he’s been here but he’s looked better than Amos over pre season and the League Cup and actually looks to be positive on the ball. He’s also one of the few players who will have a shot from outside the box if he gets a chance.

I would have started Levitt personally but can understand why SDG might choose not to but he definitely should have got on at some point as he has looked decent in pre season and League Cup.

[flash]

Just watched it back Eggpotatoes pass back to the goalie ?

What was he thinking ?

Dearie me

Eggpotatoes? Really?

[Exuberance1875]

We are also seriously struggling at left back, if Obita has a poor game which he did yesterday, he effectively knows he is undroppable as there’s literally no one else to play

[BILLYHIBS]

Eggpotatoes? Really?

Longbangers no ?

[flash]

Longbangers no ?

No idea don't listen to podcasts. Seems a it disrespectful but it's probably just me.

[BILLYHIBS]

No idea don't listen to podcasts. Seems a it disrespectful but it's probably just me.

Was a lazy post admittedly will check spelling next time but maybes he got a shout or something but seemed to be miles away from the keeper on a tight pitch just asking for trouble

Apologies

[flash]

Was a lazy post admittedly will check spelling next time but maybes he got a shout or something but seemed to be miles away from the keeper on a tight pitch just asking for trouble

Apologies

No argument about the poor decision he made. That ball needed launched out of there.

[Onceinawhile]

Funny, I never really noticed this. I felt that way at the Kelty game but not yesterday. I’ve seen him take a criticism for his performance yesterday off of a few posters so I must be wrong with my own view.

I thought he was alright too. Was he excellent? Nope, but he got on the ball and made quite a few passes. Kept it far better than the rest of the midfield that were on.

[Smartie]

Funny, I never really noticed this. I felt that way at the Kelty game but not yesterday. I’ve seen him take a criticism for his performance yesterday off of a few posters so I must be wrong with my own view.

I didn't think he was that bad either.

Impossible situation really, he came on into an abject performance but I thought at least he got on the ball and tried to make something happen.

If he'd been abysmal he'd have been hiding and not wanting it or giving it away every time he got it, neither of which were the case.

Not going to demand that he's immediately put in the starting line up but I didn't think he was one of our biggest problems.

[Keith_M]

I thought I should take a chance and start today's match thread.

You know who to blame if it all goes wrong. :greengrin

...


I hereby apologise and promise to never do it again.

[H18 SFR]

Just watching some of the game back from yesterday. Particularly from 60 mins onwards I’m asking myself if we are fit enough?

If we are not then it’s potentially even worse, ie can’t be bothered bursting a gut.

Am I seeing it right?

[B.H.F.C]

Just watching some of the game back from yesterday. Particularly from 60 mins onwards I’m asking myself if we are fit enough?

If we are not then it’s potentially even worse, ie can’t be bothered bursting a gut.

Am I seeing it right?

There were time yesterday when we were struggling to run back the way. It’s one or the other of the two things you mention.

I wonder if it’s a consequence of the League Cup. We hardly had to run in any of those games.

There was one in the first half where Josh Campbell ran past half our team to get back.

[Smartie]

There were time yesterday when we were struggling to run back the way. It’s one or the other of the two things you mention.

I wonder if it’s a consequence of the League Cup. We hardly had to run in any of those games.

There was one in the first half where Josh Campbell ran past half our team to get back.

Not having a go at you here... but it better bloody not be.

Last year was all about not being able to juggle the European games and early league games, LJ getting the boot as a result. This year we're taking a horsing off a team that were playing in Europe on Thursday night.

If this squad isn't capable of playing these sorts of runs of fixtures then I suggest professional football isn't for them.

These bloody excuses have to stop.

It doesn't seem to affect our competition. Why should it affect us so badly?

[H18 SFR]

There were time yesterday when we were struggling to run back the way. It’s one or the other of the two things you mention.

I wonder if it’s a consequence of the League Cup. We hardly had to run in any of those games.

There was one in the first half where Josh Campbell ran past half our team to get back.

Either or of not fit or not motivated to run your heart out is relegation material. Factor in that we are not blessed with an abundance of natural talent and it is a toxic mix.

I’m not saying after match day one of 38 that we are relegation contenders but alarm bells are seriously ringing here.

[blackpoolhibs]

There were time yesterday when we were struggling to run back the way. It’s one or the other of the two things you mention.

I wonder if it’s a consequence of the League Cup. We hardly had to run in any of those games.

There was one in the first half where Josh Campbell ran past half our team to get back.

I watched the Dundee derby, and what struck me about the game was the pace it was played at.

Both sets of players with one intention, get forward at pace and try and hurt the opposition.

We on the other hand have Joe Newell dictating the game from deep at a snails pace and it sets the tempo of the game for us, the opposition have no problem getting behind the ball against us.

[Trinity Hibee]

Not having a go at you here... but it better bloody not be.

Last year was all about not being able to juggle the European games and early league games, LJ getting the boot as a result. This year we're taking a horsing off a team that were playing in Europe on Thursday night.

If this squad isn't capable of playing these sorts of runs of fixtures then I suggest professional football isn't for them.

These bloody excuses have to stop.

It doesn't seem to affect our competition. Why should it affect us so badly?

100%. St Mirren have now beaten us on the opening day two seasons running which in itself isn’t good enough. The European excuse was used last season but St Mirren had no issue with it this year clearly. Excuses have to stop now as it’s tiresome and just allows all of this to continue

[B.H.F.C]

Not having a go at you here... but it better bloody not be.

Last year was all about not being able to juggle the European games and early league games, LJ getting the boot as a result. This year we're taking a horsing off a team that were playing in Europe on Thursday night.

If this squad isn't capable of playing these sorts of runs of fixtures then I suggest professional football isn't for them.

These bloody excuses have to stop.

It doesn't seem to affect our competition. Why should it affect us so badly?

Whatever the reasons, I think the core of this squad have proved time and again that they’re not particularly capable of dealing with any run of fixtures.

That wasn’t me making an excuse for them by the way. Just wonder if it had an impact.

[B.H.F.C]

Either or of not fit or not motivated to run your heart out is relegation material. Factor in that we are not blessed with an abundance of natural talent and it is a toxic mix.

I’m not saying after match day one of 38 that we are relegation contenders but alarm bells are seriously ringing here.

Agree, left St Mirren yesterday pretty concerned about what may happen this season.

[HarpOnHibee]

I watched the Dundee derby, and what struck me about the game was the pace it was played at.

Both sets of players with one intention, get forward at pace and try and hurt the opposition.

We on the other hand have Joe Newell dictating the game from deep at a snails pace and it sets the tempo of the game for us, the opposition have no problem getting behind the ball against us.

Newell is a contributing factor, but this issue certainly didn't start with him. It seems to be ingrained in the way that the club wants the team to play. 30-40 neat passes strung together that ultimately doesn't lead to anything as the opposition have all the time in the world to organize their defensive positions. And as soon as they're on the ball, unlike us, they don't dillydally with pointless passes and instead slice us open with 5-6 passes that actually serve an attacking purpose.

We've often poked fun at other teams for being direct and referring to it as "anti-football". But we've become so anti-direct that teams merely have to sit back against us and wait for us to go nowhere with the ball before cutting us open, simply by being more direct and attacking with purpose.

[B.H.F.C]

I watched the Dundee derby, and what struck me about the game was the pace it was played at.

Both sets of players with one intention, get forward at pace and try and hurt the opposition.

We on the other hand have Joe Newell dictating the game from deep at a snails pace and it sets the tempo of the game for us, the opposition have no problem getting behind the ball against us.

Joe Newell being such a central part of everything we do really annoys me. The poorer we get, the more his influence seems to grow to the point that he’s now club captain. If we keep trying to do the same things, the same things will keep happening. The way we totally folded yesterday isn’t really that much of a surprise.

I know the Joe Newell debate has been done to death and my criticism isn’t really aimed at him now. It’s not his fault he’s been put in the position he has and it’s not all down to him that we’re as crap as we are but I just don’t get why he is so untouchable in the team.

[JimBHibees]

Newell is a contributing factor, but this issue certainly didn't start with him. It seems to be ingrained in the way that the club wants the team to play. 30-40 neat passes strung together that ultimately doesn't lead to anything as the opposition have all the time in the world to organize their defensive positions. And as soon as they're on the ball, unlike us, they don't dillydally with pointless passes and instead slice us open with 5-6 passes that actually serve an attacking purpose.

We've often poked fun at other teams for being direct and referring to it as "anti-football". But we've become so anti-direct that teams merely have to sit back against us and wait for us to go nowhere with the ball before cutting us open, simply by being more direct and attacking with purpose.

Actually thought we were direct yesterday

[Shrekko]

Joe Newell being such a central part of everything we do really annoys me. The poorer we get, the more his influence seems to grow to the point that he’s now club captain. If we keep trying to do the same things, the same things will keep happening. The way we totally folded yesterday isn’t really that much of a surprise.

I know the Joe Newell debate has been done to death and my criticism isn’t really aimed at him now. It’s not his fault he’s been put in the position he has and it’s not all down to him that we’re as crap as we are but I just don’t get why he is so untouchable in the team.

Who on earth would replace him is the obvious question?

Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it’s almost undisputed that’s he’s our best midfielder by a distance. It’s bizarre that it’s used as a stick to beat him with - folk are annoyed because he’s the best we’ve got. What about the supporting cast? It’s not Newell that goes hiding in games - people say he does but he doesn’t.

As for the way he supposedly dictates a game … do people seriously believe he’s not doing it the way he’s been told to? When we have so many players hiding it’s probably not that easy to get quick distribution.

[B.H.F.C]

Who on earth would replace him is the obvious question?

Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it’s almost undisputed that’s he’s our best midfielder by a distance. It’s bizarre that it’s used as a stick to beat him with - folk are annoyed because he’s the best we’ve got. What about the supporting cast? It’s not Newell that goes hiding in games - people say he does but he doesn’t.

As for the way he supposedly dictates a game … do people seriously believe he’s not doing it the way he’s been told to? When we have so many players hiding it’s probably not that easy to get quick distribution.

Since he became a regular in the middle of the park at the start of 2020/21 we’ve rarely missed him when he’s not been playing (which is rare in itself). We’ve tried all kind of combinations, all including him, few of which work. Do I think our results would get significantly worse if Levitt, for example, played instead of him? Nope.

And I’ll disagree about the hiding bit. He’s as capable of going missing as the rest of them when things go against us.

[Shrekko]

Since he became a regular in the middle of the park at the start of 2020/21 we’ve rarely missed him when he’s not been playing (which is rare in itself). We’ve tried all kind of combinations, all including him, few of which work. Do I think our results would get significantly worse if Levitt, for example, played instead of him? Nope.

And I’ll disagree about the hiding bit. He’s as capable of going missing as the rest of them when things go against us.

Aye so all combinations didn’t work out because of Newell? The logic is just amazing.

I think most people - Hibs fans and non Hibs fans can clearly see he’s one of our better performers. Like I say - for some reason this seems to be a problem for people which I just don’t get. The problem is actually that we don’t have more midfielders of his calibre.

It also seems strange that Hibs fans who’ve alleged he’s inconsistent or only has the occasional good game have been more than happy to accept genuine luxury players in the recent past.

Opinions seem entrenched but I will continue to find it bizarre that after EVERY poor result he gets singled out when there are players that have been far worse.

We had 2 in midfield on Sunday who are miles short of the level required but have taken way less criticism.

[snedzuk]

Who on earth would replace him is the obvious question?

Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it’s almost undisputed that’s he’s our best midfielder by a distance. It’s bizarre that it’s used as a stick to beat him with - folk are annoyed because he’s the best we’ve got. What about the supporting cast? It’s not Newell that goes hiding in games - people say he does but he doesn’t.

As for the way he supposedly dictates a game … do people seriously believe he’s not doing it the way he’s been told to? When we have so many players hiding it’s probably not that easy to get quick distribution.

I'm sure Newell said in an interview a few weeks ago that Gray had him in training taking two touches, one to receive a pass and one to play it forwards. Dunno what's happened to that (maybe because he isn't playing against Hibs).

[B.H.F.C]

Aye so all combinations didn’t work out because of Newell? The logic is just amazing.

I think most people - Hibs fans and non Hibs fans can clearly see he’s one of our better performers. Like I say - for some reason this seems to be a problem for people which I just don’t get. The problem is actually that we don’t have more midfielders of his calibre.

It also seems strange that Hibs fans who’ve alleged he’s inconsistent or only has the occasional good game have been more than happy to accept genuine luxury players in the recent past.

Opinions seem entrenched but I will continue to find it bizarre that after EVERY poor result he gets singled out when there are players that have been far worse.

We had 2 in midfield on Sunday who are miles short of the level required but have taken way less criticism.

If you read back my original post you quoted you’ll see that I specifically say that not everything is down to him. He’s a constant though and I simply don’t think he’s as good a player as you do. If he really was that much better than the rest surely we’d see a big drop off when he’s missing. We don’t though.

[JohnM1875]

I'm sure Newell said in an interview a few weeks ago that Gray had him in training taking two touches, one to receive a pass and one to play it forwards. Dunno what's happened to that (maybe because he isn't playing against Hibs).

There was a training video from our training camp, it's on YouTube;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodIM774dpM&t=39s&ab_channel=HibernianFootballClub from around the five minute mark.

Newell was basically the pivot in an attacking drill. It starts (slowly) then after a few rounds Gray changes it so Newell can only take two touches in the hope he turns and plays the ball quicker.

I do think Newell is a good player, I just wish he had a bit more belief in himself and was more attack minded from the off.

[Trinity Hibee]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/hibs-betrayed-david-gray-mantra-33399112

[thebausburst]

The most worrying thing for me from Sunday was just how poor Ekipeta and O’Hora both looked.

[BILLYHIBS]

The most worrying thing for me from Sunday was just how poor Ekipeta and O’Hora both looked.

Said the same might take them a few games to get up to speed gel and form a relationship with the keeper

Early days

Big test on Sunday

[thebausburst]

Said the same might take them a few games to get up to speed gel and form a relationship with the keeper

Early days

Big test on Sunday

Yeah let’s hope so, O’Horas lack of reaction when Ekipeta gave the ball away was pretty shocking, never got out a light jog.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yeah let’s hope so, O’Horas lack of reaction when Ekipeta gave the ball away was pretty shocking, never got out a light jog.Looked slow and one paced Ekpiteta looked tall thin not the strongest or the quickest and easily rolled both part of a defence that conceded three goals and will hopefully learn from the experience

[McGruber]

Both centre backs looked slower and weaker than Rocky... that's one to let sink in. Early days for them both though

[Donegal Hibby]

Both centre backs looked slower and weaker than Rocky... that's one to let sink in. Early days for them both though

One of the problems I've had with the defence has been the fullbacks , 3rd goal I think highlights this fact once again.

I was just glad Rocky wasn't playing as he would somehow have been blamed for not defending or covering for Obita better (something he had to do regularly last season and not just for the LB either) .

My opinion after watching us last season is , we have fullbacks that like to attack though can't defend / caught out of position far to often .

[Smartie]

Both centre backs looked slower and weaker than Rocky... that's one to let sink in. Early days for them both though

Pace and strength aren’t really Rocky’s shortcomings though.

That Ekpiteta made a howler at a key stage in the game, one that was probably worse than anything Rocky has ever made in a Hibs jersey and would have seen him absolutely slaughtered - was the problem for me.

[wookie70]

One of the problems I've had with the defence has been the fullbacks , 3rd goal I think highlights this fact once again.

I was just glad Rocky wasn't playing as he would somehow have been blamed for not defending or covering for Obita better (something he had to do regularly last season and not just for the LB either) .

My opinion after watching us last season is , we have fullbacks that like to attack though can't defend / caught out of position far to often .Probably the reason most go for a 3 at the back when forecasting or suggesting the team v Celtic.A solid defensive midfielder or two could also cover that area. NMW showed in terms of position what we need he just isn't good enough to stop the shot