Dylan Vente

[Northernhibee]

Put this on the loan thread too, but seems like Zwolle don't have an option to buy in the summer: https://www.fanvanpeczwolle.nl/artikel/de-kans-lijkt-klein-dat-dylan-vente-na-de-zomer-nog-in-zwolle-speelt


The chance seems small that Dylan Vente will still play in Zwolle after the summer
At PEC Zwolle they would like striker Dylan Vente to play in Zwolle after the summer, but that chance is small because they expect the loaned out player back in Scotland. The now 25-year-old striker is in very good shape and has already hit the bull's eye six times after the winter break. At the moment, the total count is already at ten hits.

In the program De Voetbal****ine of ESPN, Vente said: The chance of a longer stay in Zwolle is small anyway. "I am on loan to PEC for one year, so it is the intention that I return to Hibernian".

Vente's contract in Scotland runs until mid-2026. He is not very happy with that, because the kick and rush that Scottish football is known for does not necessarily suit his game. "You know in advance that this is how it will be played. I thought I could have made the difference with runs and cleverness, but then the quality of the ball has to be good."

For Vente, however, there is no other option than to return to Hibernian after this season. "Before I came, I thought that PEC had put a clause in my rental contract, but I don't think that's in it."

The quality of ball didnt hurt Myziane.

[Springbank]

The quality of ball didnt hurt Myziane.

It does read a bit like "excuses, excuses" from Vente there.

Either way, the absence of a pre-agreed fee, for a guy who is among the Eridivisie top 5 goalscorers, suggests that he won't be at Zwolle next season, he'll be at a bigger richer club than Zwolle. And we should be making a very healthy profit out of the arrangement.

[easty]

The quality of ball didnt hurt Myziane.

Maybe it didn't, maybe it did. Who knows how much better Maolida could have been if we had a decent manager setting up a decent team, instead of clown who had no idea what to do.

I don't think that Maolida being quality really confirms that other players in the team have only themselves to blame for poor form. The way a team is set up matters.

[PHeffernan]

The quality of ball didnt hurt Myziane.

That's because Maolida is a far higher level athlete and player than Vente or any other Hibs player for that matter.

[Unseen work]

The quality of ball didnt hurt Myziane.

Agree with this.

Maolida, Marcondes, Boyle etc

Unless it was on an absolute plate Vente never seemed to get a chance let alone score

In the same set up, ALF always looked far more of a threat imo

Glad Vente is doing really well, but I don’t think he’d necessarily come back and rip it up. We have the potential to earn a couple of million on him this summer due to his form - cash in

[Unseen work]

That's because Maolida is a far higher level athlete and player than Vente or any other Hibs player for that matter.

But it was also that same player that’s far above everyone else’s level, in Myziane , that he is complaining about when he says quality into the box

[tonyrougier123]

Dylan Vente is a goal scorer that can’t be denied, but his misfortunes for hibs aren’t related to a style of play exclusive to Scotland. He has some valid points about quality of ball played in, which right now and the shape and personnel we have has definitely addressed this issue.
For me Dylan lost confidence in Edinburgh and didn’t try hard enough to regain it. He’s showed what he can do in Dutch league though and for all parties wether he’s coming back or sold on that’s great news. If he comes back or transfers out should be a win win situation I think.

[easty]

Agree with this.

Maolida, Marcondes, Boyle etc

Unless it was on an absolute plate Vente never seemed to get a chance let alone score

In the same set up, ALF always looked far more of a threat imo

Glad Vente is doing really well, but I don’t think he’d necessarily come back and rip it up. We have the potential to earn a couple of million on him this summer due to his form - cash in

ALF was *****.

[Unseen work]

ALF was *****.

Disagree.

Not amazing, but far more effective than Vente imo

[1875M]

ALF was *****.

ALF looked far more of a threat goal wise than Vente did.

[HendoDelivered]

ALF was *****.

No chance.

[tamig]

ALF was *****.

Ridiculous comment.

[PHeffernan]

But it was also that same player that’s far above everyone else’s level, in Myziane , that he is complaining about when he says quality into the box

For me the main issue under Montgomery was how slowly we got the ball forward as a result of horrific overplaying at the back.
Maolida and Youan were able to overcome that with their raw speed and power but it killed Vente who makes good runs and puts away a high percentage of chances but has no special physical attributes like speed, power or even height.

[PHeffernan]

ALF looked far more of a threat goal wise than Vente did.

Yet one is 3rd top scorer in the top tier of Dutch football and the other is playing English non league

[HoboHarry]

Yet one is 3rd top scorer in the top tier of Dutch football and the other is playing English non league
Nevertheless, the one playing non league is now 38 but previously played and scorerd in the EPL whilst the other is 24 and most likely I suspect never will but don't let facts get in the way.

[BILLYHIBS]

Nevertheless, the one playing non league is now 38 but previously played and scorerd in the EPL whilst the other is 24 and most likely I suspect never will but don't let facts get in the way.

Alf holds some sort of record for being the fourth best quickest scorer scoring 1:124 minutes in the EPL 2012/13

Alf was a fox in the box couid handle himself and was always looking to make things happen Vente was like a parking cone in comparison in our League

Shudda signed him 10 years ago but money might have got in the way things did not end well for him here IIRC

Respect for what Vente has achieved in his homeland

[HoboHarry]

Alf holds some sort of record for being the fourth best quickest scorer scoring 1:124 minutes in the EPL 2012/13

Alf was a fox in the box couid handle himself and was always looking to make things happen Vente was like a parking cone in comparison in our League

Shudda signed him 10 years ago but money might have got in the way things did not end well for him here IIRC

Respect for what Vente has achieved in his homeland
No arguing with any of that Billy - I just didn't think the comparison by the other poster of a 38 year old to a 24 year old was a good one.

[Hibeesforever]

It does read a bit like "excuses, excuses" from Vente there.

Either way, the absence of a pre-agreed fee, for a guy who is among the Eridivisie top 5 goalscorers, suggests that he won't be at Zwolle next season, he'll be at a bigger richer club than Zwolle. And we should be making a very healthy profit out of the arrangement.

I will give Ian Gordon credit if we do...our transfer business would look a lot better...

[Dashing Bob S]

Dylan Vente is a goal scorer that can’t be denied, but his misfortunes for hibs aren’t related to a style of play exclusive to Scotland. He has some valid points about quality of ball played in, which right now and the shape and personnel we have has definitely addressed this issue.
For me Dylan lost confidence in Edinburgh and didn’t try hard enough to regain it. He’s showed what he can do in Dutch league though and for all parties wether he’s coming back or sold on that’s great news. If he comes back or transfers out should be a win win situation I think.

Exactly this. When you look at the players who were vilified and have now come onto a game and are regarded as heroes under Gray's motivation style of play, it's a bit daft to think that Vente, ripping it up in Holland, wouldn't probably benefit in the same way. Let's not be silly here, and write off an obvious major asset -either on the field or in the bank- to the club.

[Northernhibee]

Maybe it didn't, maybe it did. Who knows how much better Maolida could have been if we had a decent manager setting up a decent team, instead of clown who had no idea what to do.

I don't think that Maolida being quality really confirms that other players in the team have only themselves to blame for poor form. The way a team is set up matters.

Imagine how much better Montgomery would have been without a £800k striker who couldn’t last longer than sixty odd minutes whilst also being invisible.

It’s probably best to leave the past as the past - our recruitment for 2-3 seasons was horrendous and the managers seat was as a poisoned chalice. If SDG had been sacked when most on here were calling for it then we’d likely be saying similar things about him.

[tonyrougier123]

Exactly this. When you look at the players who were vilified and have now come onto a game and are regarded as heroes under Gray's motivation style of play, it's a bit daft to think that Vente, ripping it up in Holland, wouldn't probably benefit in the same way. Let's not be silly here, and write off an obvious major asset -either on the field or in the bank- to the club.

Him and Bowie could hit it off up top, space finder and a physical attacker. Definitely can’t write him off. But it’s a decent position to be in as there will be interest and we could reinvest again if needed.

[Stairway 2 7]

Imagine how much better Montgomery would have been without a £800k striker who couldn’t last longer than sixty odd minutes whilst also being invisible.

It’s probably best to leave the past as the past - our recruitment for 2-3 seasons was horrendous and the managers seat was as a poisoned chalice. If SDG had been sacked when most on here were calling for it then we’d likely be saying similar things about him.

Triantis, Rocky, Miller, NMW, Boyle and Campbell all looked dug meat and untalented under Montgomery. They are still the same players but look quality under a new manager.

There was a great piece in the hibs observer this week saying Montgomery was stuck to a possession based game that didn't work whilst SDG has been flexible and changed depending on the players starting. It also says "One insider described HTC as 'a completely different place' under the influence of David Gray and Malky Mackay". Both of them and the board deserve much praise for seeing the progress.

I think it would be madness to critique a player on such a toxic time at the club

[Paulie Walnuts]

Triantis, Rocky, Miller, NMW, Boyle and Campbell all looked dug meat and untalented under Montgomery. They are still the same players but look quality under a new manager.

There was a great piece in the hibs observer this week saying Montgomery was stuck to a possession based game that didn't work whilst SDG has been flexible and changed depending on the players starting. It also says "One insider described HTC as 'a completely different place' under the influence of David Gray and Malky Mackay". Both of them and the board deserve much praise for seeing the progress.

I think it would be madness to critique a player on such a toxic time at the club

Montgomery was ****ing horrific. The worst we’ve had since Butcher. The squad he had last season shouldn’t have been anywhere near where it ended up. He had two guys in the squad for the second half of the season who, even at this point where we’re on an unreal run, would probably be 2 of our best players, if not our very best in Marcondes and Maolida. You could probably even throw the boy at Sunderland into that mix. Upon getting them in he managed to make us worse.

An absolute huddy of a manager and someone who absolutely butchered a signing in Vente who, on paper, should have been excellent.

[Northernhibee]

Montgomery was ****ing horrific. The worst we’ve had since Butcher. The squad he had last season shouldn’t have been anywhere near where it ended up.

And as I say, you’d likely be saying the same if we punted SDG when most on here wanted him gone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And as I say, you’d likely be saying the same if we punted SDG when most on here wanted him gone.

Did most on here want him gone? From my memory most on here expected him to be gone, but I can’t say I remember most on here calling for him to be gone. Those are two very different things.

Montgomery would never have turned it round like SDG has, that’s the difference. His football was absolutely abysmal, tactics non existent and he had absolutely nothing about him. It’s no surprise nobody else has taken a chance on him as manager.

[Northernhibee]

Did most on here want him gone? From my memory most on here expected him to be gone, but I can’t say I remember most on here calling for him to be gone. Those are two very different things.

Montgomery would never have turned it round like SDG has, that’s the difference. His football was absolutely abysmal, tactics non existent and he had absolutely nothing about him. It’s no surprise nobody else has taken a chance on him as manager.

According to some on here SDG didn’t learn from his mistakes and was miles out of his depth. And there were a lot wanting him gone.

Point is - even when he got service in this seasons league cup group stage games that other than against League Two opponents Elgin City, Vente got plenty chances. He couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo with them though.

Glad he’s doing well elsewhere but someone made the very good point that it’s like he lost confidence but didn’t work hard enough to turn it around, the antithesis of the attitude of this team. He reminds me of Flo Kamberi. Good start then tailed off and became invisible.

[Paulie Walnuts]

According to some on here SDG didn’t learn from his mistakes and was miles out of his depth. And there were a lot wanting him gone.

Point is - even when he got service in this seasons league cup group stage games that other than against League Two opponents Elgin City, Vente got plenty chances. He couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo with them though.

Glad he’s doing well elsewhere but someone made the very good point that it’s like he lost confidence but didn’t work hard enough to turn it around, the antithesis of the attitude of this team. He reminds me of Flo Kamberi. Good start then tailed off and became invisible.

Was that most that said that though as you said? Or a few?

If your argument revolves around ‘if you remove the games he scored in’ then I’d suggest you’ve got a vendetta against him. He played 4 league cup games, scored in 1, assisted in 1 and never scored in the other, scoring 3 and assisting 1 in total over the 4 games. If you’re going to claim he was crap because you don’t want to count the hatrick then crack on.

For someone that couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo, he scored 11 in 43 here whilst also contributing 5 assists. Nothing to write home about, but a million miles from not hitting a barn door with a banjo territory.

[HoboHarry]

Did most on here want him gone? From my memory most on here expected him to be gone, but I can’t say I remember most on here calling for him to be gone. Those are two very different things.

Montgomery would never have turned it round like SDG has, that’s the difference. His football was absolutely abysmal, tactics non existent and he had absolutely nothing about him. It’s no surprise nobody else has taken a chance on him as manager.
I've wondered similar many times. Pretty sure I read that in Australia he had built his own team once he had managed to jettison the players he didn't want then went to have success and I have wondered many times what he would have done had he been given more time. Not that it matters, I wouldn't swap that for what we have now but I don't look back at Monty with the same ill will that I have for Calderwood and Butcher.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I've wondered similar many times. Pretty sure I read that in Australia he had built his own team once he had managed to jettison the players he didn't want then went to have success and I have wondered many times what he would have done had he been given more time. Not that it matters, I wouldn't swap that for what we have now but I don't look back at Monty with the same ill will that I have for Calderwood and Butcher.

He managed one of the most successful teams in Australian football to what is essentially a cup with 6 teams in it. They went on to get even better once he left despite losing pretty much all the team that was there under Montgomery.

[RIP]

When I think of top goalscorers they have the athletic attributes of a short distance sprinter. Able to burst into life over 5-10 yards and change direction. To be able to hold off big defenders and either convert themselves or provide an assist.

Griffiths had that. Riordan too in his day. Boyle and Youan in our current squad.

I never saw Dylan display that dynamism.

[HoboHarry]

He managed one of the most successful teams in Australian football to what is essentially a cup with a handful of teams in it. They went on to get even better once he left despite losing all the team that was there under Montgomery.
He won a cup, really no idea why you would downplay that. It's success no matter what league a team is in. IIRC they were massive underdogs too, could be wrong there but that's what I recall.

[HoboHarry]

When I think of top goalscorers they have the athletic attributes of a short distance sprinter. Able to burst into life over 5-10 yards and change direction. To be able to hold off big defenders and either convert themselves or provide an assist.

Griffiths had that. Riordan too in his day. Boyle and Youan in our current squad.

I never saw Dylan display that dynamism.
Joe Harper as well :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

He won a cup, really no idea why you would downplay that. It's success no matter what league a team is in. IIRC they were massive underdogs too, could be wrong there but that's what I recall.

Nobody is ‘downplaying’ it, but there’s perspective to be had. He wasn’t the manager of Livingston or something, he was the manager of the third most succesful team in the history of the A League.

[CapitalGreen]

Boyle under Monty last season - goal or assist every 260 minutes.
Boyle under Gray this season - goal or assist every 111 minutes.

Is he getting better with age or is he playing in system/style that is more conducive to getting the most out of his abilites?

[B.H.F.C]

Boyle under Monty last season - goal or assist every 260 minutes.
Boyle under Gray this season - goal or assist every 111 minutes.

Is he getting better with age or is he playing in system/style that is more conducive to getting the most out of his abilites?

There is no doubt Montgomery played a part in getting pretty much as little as possible out of any of our attackers.

Where Vente is concerned I’m still not convinced we’d be getting significantly more out of him the way we’re playing now. I think he’s said it himself, the style over here is just so different to what he’s used to. We still play pretty direct a lot of the time, get a lot of balls in to the box and use set pieces and long throws a fair bit. For all Gray has got more out of players as the season has went on, he was also happy to let Vente go.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Boyle under Monty last season - goal or assist every 260 minutes.
Boyle under Gray this season - goal or assist every 111 minutes.

Is he getting better with age or is he playing in system/style that is more conducive to getting the most out of his abilites?

:agree:

SDG is playing a system that is playing to the strengths of the individual players that are playing both individually and as a team. Montgomery was inexplicably playing in a way that got as little as possible out of almost every player we had, Vente included.

[blackpoolhibs]

Montgomery's team would pass the ball 20 times when 1 would have done, and he insisted on trying to play football ALL THE ****IN TIME.

Sometimes the ball just needs to be battered forward or even out the park, he had players not really comfortable on the ball, playing the ball to others not the best under pressure when they were marked.

Just play the game simple with the players at your disposal, until such times as you get the players you want for the system you want.

We are well rid, even LJ was a better manager, and he was a slaver.

[Stairway 2 7]

Was that most that said that though as you said? Or a few?

If your argument revolves around ‘if you remove the games he scored in’ then I’d suggest you’ve got a vendetta against him. He played 4 league cup games, scored in 1, assisted in 1 and never scored in the other, scoring 3 and assisting 1 in total over the 4 games. If you’re going to claim he was crap because you don’t want to count the hatrick then crack on.

For someone that couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo, he scored 11 in 43 here whilst also contributing 5 assists. Nothing to write home about, but a million miles from not hitting a barn door with a banjo territory.

Not bad. Zitelli scored 10 in 51. Paco Luna 8 in 43, Stephen Dobbie 2 in 35, Benji 11 in 81, all respected

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not bad. Zitelli scored 10 in 51. Pack Luna 8 in 43, Stephen Dobbie 2 in 35, Benji 11 in 81, all respected

:agree:

[Northernhibee]

Nobody is ‘downplaying’ it, but there’s perspective to be had. He wasn’t the manager of Livingston or something, he was the manager of the third most succesful team in the history of the A League.

Second smallest budget in the competition. It was a big upset.

They also pumped the favourites in the final.

[Northernhibee]

Was that most that said that though as you said? Or a few?

If your argument revolves around ‘if you remove the games he scored in’ then I’d suggest you’ve got a vendetta against him. He played 4 league cup games, scored in 1, assisted in 1 and never scored in the other, scoring 3 and assisting 1 in total over the 4 games. If you’re going to claim he was crap because you don’t want to count the hatrick then crack on.

For someone that couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo, he scored 11 in 43 here whilst also contributing 5 assists. Nothing to write home about, but a million miles from not hitting a barn door with a banjo territory.

Problem is those goals were largely tap ins or put on a plate for him. He never showed that he could fashion a chance for himself or have the work rate or read of the game to score a goal like Dwight Gayle’s at Tynie. My problem isn’t that I’m removing games he scored in - I’m removing a game he scored in. Against Elgin City.

When the going got tough, Vente got up and went.

He’s right about this league being quite industrial but to blame his team mates is an excuse. We’ll be well rid in the summer if we can sell him, and if we can recoup our transfer fee we will have done well.

[LaMotta]

ALF was *****.

Simply untrue.

[JohnM1875]

Simply untrue.

Wasn’t **** but he wasn’t great. Massively overrated.

Compare him to Gayle and it isn’t even close for me.

[LaMotta]

Wasn’t **** but he wasn’t great. Massively overrated.

Compare him to Gayle and it isn’t even close for me.

He's clearly underrated by some.

His movement and some of his touches and finishes were excellent. I don't think we need to compare him to Gayle just because they are both veteran former EPL strikers. They have both been good for Hibs in their own right.

Gayle (who I love) has benefited from being part of a far better performing Hibs team too. Just because he has been very good doesn't mean ALF was poor or average!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

When I think of top goalscorers they have the athletic attributes of a short distance sprinter. Able to burst into life over 5-10 yards and change direction. To be able to hold off big defenders and either convert themselves or provide an assist.

Griffiths had that. Riordan too in his day. Boyle and Youan in our current squad.

I never saw Dylan display that dynamism.

What about Cummings, Stokes, Doidge or Nisbet? Some of the best goalscorers of recent times in green & White who all had wildly different attributes.

Goalscorers come in all different shapes and sizes but all perform at their best with one key intangible. Confidence.

Dylan was stripped of his at Hibs at clearly has rediscovered it. Interested to see if he gets the chance to find it again with us.

[Iain G]

What about Cummings, Stokes, Doidge or Nisbet? Some of the best goalscorers of recent times in green & White who all had wildly different attributes.

Goalscorers come in all different shapes and sizes but all perform at their best with one key intangible. Confidence.

Dylan was stripped of his at Hibs at clearly has rediscovered it. Interested to see if he gets the chance to find it again with us.

I think we would be better reinvesting the cash from selling him in players that SDG wants that will improve us across the pitch.

[Gmack7]

I think we would be better reinvesting the cash from selling him in players that SDG wants that will improve us across the pitch.

Exactly, and we cannot let him walk for free at the end of his contract

[Paulie Walnuts]

Problem is those goals were largely tap ins or put on a plate for him. He never showed that he could fashion a chance for himself or have the work rate or read of the game to score a goal like Dwight Gayle’s at Tynie. My problem isn’t that I’m removing games he scored in - I’m removing a game he scored in. Against Elgin City.

When the going got tough, Vente got up and went.

He’s right about this league being quite industrial but to blame his team mates is an excuse. We’ll be well rid in the summer if we can sell him, and if we can recoup our transfer fee we will have done well.

Absolute nonsense.

Boyle was significantly poorer last season. Did he get up and went when the going got tough? Rocky was much poorer last season, did he get up and went when the going got tough? One thing that absolutely can’t be labelled at Vente is a lack of effort. Every single Hibs player from last season is looking miles better with Nick Montgomery away. The idea that Vente, who is doing incredibly well at higher level, would be the exception to that is fanciful in the extreme.

Also, the idea that scoring tap ins and chances put on a plate for him is a problem is laughable. However just to point out, he scored against Kilmarnock, St Johnstone, Dundee and St Johnstone last season which accounted for
50% of his goals. Those goals were not tap ins. That’s quite a considerable proportion of goals for someone who could only score tap ins.

And if he didn’t have the read of the game that someone like Dwight Gayle has, how did he always find himself reading the game well enough to score, or in some cases, miss these tap ins?

Your posts on Vente are almost always completely contradictory and usually come across as if you’ve got an agenda against him since your laughable declaration that he was the worst signing in Hibernian history.

[JohnM1875]

He's clearly underrated by some.

His movement and some of his touches and finishes were excellent. I don't think we need to compare him to Gayle just because they are both veteran former EPL strikers. They have both been good for Hibs in their own right.

Gayle (who I love) has benefited from being part of a far better performing Hibs team too. Just because he has been very good doesn't mean ALF was poor or average!

Aye, fair point about being in completely different Hibs teams.

[Coco Bryce]

He would 100% be a better option than Myko that's for sure.

[B.H.F.C]

He would 100% be a better option than Myko that's for sure.

Their records aren’t too dissimilar in their time here. I’m not the biggest fan of Myko but the fact Gray was happy to let Vente go, once he got Bowie and Myko in the door, tells you he was looking for something different in a striker to what Vente offers.

[JohnM1875]

He would 100% be a better option than Myko that's for sure.

Myko played well when he came on against Celtic at ER then scored the equaliser against Dundee Utd.

Guy needs to be cut some slack from some folk.

[Smartie]

Myko played well when he came on against Celtic at ER then scored the equaliser against Dundee Utd.

Guy needs to be cut some slack from some folk.

He’s played most of his football this season in our struggling, early season team.

As you say - he’s contributed well in recent weeks.

I think he’ll be much better in a pair up front than on his own, because when he’s dropping deeper and doing decent work, we should still have somebody further up the park to benefit from that work.

It’s the tendency of our lone striker to do that too much that has led to us never really doing 451 justice, transcending various eras and managers.

I still think Myko is a very good player albeit it’s hard to make an argument that he’s had anything other than a poor season.

[Springbank]

Absolute nonsense.

Boyle was significantly poorer last season. Did he get up and went when the going got tough? Rocky was much poorer last season, did he get up and went when the going got tough? One thing that absolutely can’t be labelled at Vente is a lack of effort. Every single Hibs player from last season is looking miles better with Nick Montgomery away. The idea that Vente, who is doing incredibly well at higher level, would be the exception to that is fanciful in the extreme.

Also, the idea that scoring tap ins and chances put on a plate for him is a problem is laughable. However just to point out, he scored against Kilmarnock, St Johnstone, Dundee and St Johnstone last season which accounted for
50% of his goals. Those goals were not tap ins. That’s quite a considerable proportion of goals for someone who could only score tap ins.

And if he didn’t have the read of the game that someone like Dwight Gayle has, how did he always find himself reading the game well enough to score, or in some cases, miss these tap ins?

Your posts on Vente are almost always completely contradictory and usually come across as if you’ve got an agenda against him since your laughable declaration that he was the worst signing in Hibernian history.

To be fair, your posts read a little bit to me like you must have an agenda in blind faith favour of Dylan Vente!

I paid my money to watch him miss from less than 2 yards against Queens Park, Kelty and St Mirren.

The latter two would have had a major impact on the scoreline in those games (and, as it happens, would have had a big impact on our early season)

Vente strikes me as the kind of player who, if the team is built around him, he will get you a fair-ish return on goals. Hardly in the Shankland or Miovski territory (in the one-in-two goals/starts ratio) but a guy who will notch a few. I think SDG saw in that St Mirren game that the profile of striker St Mirren had was more dynamic, and offered a wider range of potential goals - they had pace, power, movement, none of which are Vente attributes (even his own agent and family would accept that I think!)

I don't have an agenda against him, and I didn't read others posts that way either.

I think we have to be honest that Vente is not that good and we look like we are about to get an tremendous windfall - lets take the luck and bank the dosh

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair, your posts read a little bit to me like you must have an agenda in blind faith favour of Dylan Vente!

I paid my money to watch him miss from less than 2 yards against Queens Park, Kelty and St Mirren.

The latter two would have had a major impact on the scoreline in those games (and, as it happens, would have had a big impact on our early season)

Vente strikes me as the kind of player who, if the team is built around him, he will get you a fair-ish return on goals. Hardly in the Shankland or Miovski territory (in the one-in-two goals/starts ratio) but a guy who will notch a few. I think SDG saw in that St Mirren game that the profile of striker St Mirren had was more dynamic, and offered a wider range of potential goals - they had pace, power, movement, none of which are Vente attributes (even his own agent and family would accept that I think!)

I don't have an agenda against him, and I didn't read others posts that way either.

I think we have to be honest that Vente is not that good and we look like we are about to get an tremendous windfall - lets take the luck and bank the dosh

I’ve said numerous times his record was nothing to write home about but it equally wasn’t half as bad as is made out. That’s not quite the same as labelling a guy with 16 goals and assists in 44 games as our worst ever signing, removing goals from his record to make him look worse and incorrectly declaring that all he done was score tap ins when 50% of his goals last season weren’t tap ins and he also had numerous assists. Thats where it starts to look like an agenda.

Vente had very decent movement. If you don’t have decent movement then you don’t get the opportunity to score the tap ins that people claim is all he scored. Ultimately though that’s not all he scored and he scored all different types of goals. Headers, first time finishes, finishes where he’s created half a yard of space to get a shot away, penalties etc.

All the evidence points to Vente being a very good player. His record before Hibs was excellent, his record after Hibs is excellent. His spell at Hibs coincided with a time when numerous other players were also dreadful because they were playing under a truly dreadful manager. It’s no coincidence that every player who was at Hibs last season looks better this season now that we aren’t cursed with Monty ball. I’ve little doubt Dylan Vente would be the same considering the fact he’s flying in a league better than ours.

[Paul1642]

Not bad. Zitelli scored 10 in 51. Paco Luna 8 in 43, Stephen Dobbie 2 in 35, Benji 11 in 81, all respected

Transfermkt has Benji as 15 from 88 which I find crazy because my memory of his was pretty prolific.

[leither17]

Transfermkt has Benji as 15 from 88 which I find crazy because my memory of his was pretty prolific.

Is that league games only?

[A Hi-Bee]

As this thread tends to go a wee bit of the original, Vente is a quality player of that I have no doubts, he will make Hibs a fair bit of cash when sold, wait for it, that would mean the ones who signed him half knew what they were doing.
If we are talking goal-scorers then no 2 better in my life time, both had the first name of Joe, Baker and McBride senior, non better.

[Stairway 2 7]

Is that league games only?

He was 11 goals in 81 league games it seems, was unreal in the CIS Cup final though 👏

[BILLYHIBS]

He was 11 goals in 81 league games it seems, was unreal in the CIS Cup final though 👏

20:102

9 Cup goals

[Northernhibee]

As this thread tends to go a wee bit of the original, Vente is a quality player of that I have no doubts, he will make Hibs a fair bit of cash when sold, wait for it, that would mean the ones who signed him half knew what they were doing.
If we are talking goal-scorers then no 2 better in my life time, both had the first name of Joe, Baker and McBride senior, non better.

No. If we’re signing players who will be sub standard on the pitch knowingly so we can loan them out and sell them then those signing him don’t have a scooby.

No chance that’s the case, I think that for a while we weren’t signing players who had a hope in hell of working up here and now we’ve moved away from that.

[flash]

No. If we’re signing players who will be sub standard on the pitch knowingly so we can loan them out and sell them then those signing him don’t have a scooby.

No chance that’s the case, I think that for a while we weren’t signing players who had a hope in hell of working up here and now we’ve moved away from that.

Why would we "knowingly" sign a substandard player?

[Northernhibee]

Why would we "knowingly" sign a substandard player?

Precisely. The idea we’d sign players so we could loan them out and sell them is crazy. We’re not Man City or Chelsea.

[Stairway 2 7]

Precisely. The idea we’d sign players so we could loan them out and sell them is crazy. We’re not Man City or Chelsea.

We signed him to do a job as he had a tremendous record in Holland. He scored at a better rate than Zitelli, Luna or Benji. He will go on to make us 7 figures. The shouts of worst singing ever is lunacy.

It never worked out here, he's doing well for himself now, he'll move to a big club and we'll get a decent wedge. Too much hyperbole, we're 14 unbeaten, all is well

[Keyser Sauzee]

Vente is nowhere near the worst signing in our history, if that’s what’s been said then it’s a crazy comment.

[BILLYHIBS]

Zwolle v Ajax today big chance for Vente to impress

:pray:

[TrinityHFC]

We signed him to do a job as he had a tremendous record in Holland. He scored at a better rate than Zitelli, Luna or Benji. He will go on to make us 7 figures. The shouts of worst singing ever is lunacy.

It never worked out here, he's doing well for himself now, he'll move to a big club and we'll get a decent wedge. Too much hyperbole, we're 14 unbeaten, all is well

Holland is a region in the Netherlands. Roda were not based in Holland. No idea what his record in games played in Holland was. Sorry for being a ****.

[superfurryhibby]

Precisely. The idea we’d sign players so we could loan them out and sell them is crazy. We’re not Man City or Chelsea.

So you weren't not saying that we were doing that :confused::hibees

[flash]

So you weren't not saying that we were doing that :confused::hibees

I thought he was contradicting himself when he answered me so glad somebody else does too.

[Northernhibee]

I thought he was contradicting himself when he answered me so glad somebody else does too.

No, someone said that because we may be able to sell him, whoever was responsible must have known what they were doing.

He was absolute mince in a Hibs shirt and we looked less threatening when he played so they couldn’t have meant in that way. The only other thought that the signing of Vente could be seen as a success is that we’d deliberately sign someone who wouldn’t work in this league to loan him out to somewhere where he might in order to sell him, which is mental.

The signing of Vente has been a massive failure in the exact same way the signing of Melkersen was. “We might be able to sell him for money” doesn’t hide the fact that he ended up taking the place of a striker who may have been able to make an impact last season.

[tonyrougier123]

You watch a player like maeda and he has that energy and desire to buzz about, now I’m not saying Vente is as good as maeda but I think if he applied himself and was happier on the pitch we’d have a striker with a similar knack for popping up in right places. With a similar stature. I just don’t think he bought into the set up and it showed in his play. He seems a very cheery guy good personality but we can’t carry anyone costing us a few quid in wages and general outlay. If a move is best for him and us we need to dip back into market with what should be at the very least a money back situation. I think a sizeable profit is in the making though as he’s proved himself in a league with money to burn.

[Winston Ingram]

Montgomery was ****ing horrific. The worst we’ve had since Butcher. The squad he had last season shouldn’t have been anywhere near where it ended up. He had two guys in the squad for the second half of the season who, even at this point where we’re on an unreal run, would probably be 2 of our best players, if not our very best in Marcondes and Maolida. You could probably even throw the boy at Sunderland into that mix. Upon getting them in he managed to make us worse.

An absolute huddy of a manager and someone who absolutely butchered a signing in Vente who, on paper, should have been excellent.

Totally agree with this. Utterly clueless.

[The Rebel]

Another goal yesterday in a 2-0 win against bottom of the table RKC Waalwijk 😊

[EGL2000]

Now 3rd in the top scorer chart for the league. That's one hell of an effort for a bottom half striker. Got to be a big fee coming in the summer.

[Mcbizz1998]

He simply can’t be worse Kukharevych.

I would be happy to see what he can do in a SDG team.

[EGL2000]

He simply can’t be worse Kukharevych.

I would be happy to see what he can do in a SDG team.

Don't think he wants to be at Hibs really and if we can get 3 mil ISH which we definitely should I would be more than happy to sell.

[Exuberance1875]

Should look to cash in where possible, we vastly overpaid for him and should try and shift him while he’s on form.

[Heisenberg]

Don't think he wants to be at Hibs really and if we can get 3 mil ISH which we definitely should I would be more than happy to sell.

That’s it I think, he’s got no desire to continue at Hibs or in Scottish football going by his thoughts on the style over here. We’ll do well out of the deal financially which makes it a very good loan move.

[marinello59]

He simply can’t be worse Kukharevych.

I would be happy to see what he can do in a SDG team.

He won’t be back.

[Allant1981]

Should look to cash in where possible, we vastly overpaid for him and should try and shift him while he’s on form.

Considering the goals he is scoring and had scored before he came to us, we didn't really vastly overpay it just hasnt worked out for him in scotland but clearly a goalscorer

[Northernhibee]

He simply can’t be worse Kukharevych. .

He was though. Myko can hold it up and occasionally scores a goal.

[Bishop Hibee]

Cash in on Vente and both he and Hibs can move on.

[Allant1981]

He was though. Myko can hold it up and occasionally scores a goal.

Both have been poor for us but sure vente has scored more than myko for hibs in a much poorer team

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was though. Myko can hold it up and occasionally scores a goal.

Dylan Vente scored 11 goals for Hibs. Your attempt to allude to the idea that Vente never done that is nonsense. He has scored more for Hibs than Myko.

[Ray_]

Why, as a support, do we need a scapegoat or several of them?

I thought Vente looked very impressive when he came in, but then he was played all over the place in a team whose shape did well in Australia but was wrong for Scottish football.

We did the same with the other Dylan. He was constantly ignored when his talents were more akin to a player we were prepared to bust the bank for. We continually played similar style midfielders and were surprised that we were plodding, predictable and rock bottom.

We started to use Cadden, and Levitt eventually was given a run, with the results there for all to see, and Nectar started to show the type of midfield performances that he indicated was in his locker, last season, when he was moved from the back. I couldn't believe the negative reaction from some fans when it was announced that he was coming back.

[Brooster]

Big pile of cash waiting for us on this one.

[Ribs1875]

I just read the article on hibs observer and think he's honest and realistic on his situation. I think the feeling is mutual and respect him for wanting to move. If it wasn't for the fact he was out of contract in 2026, I'd say give him another chance.

[scoopyboy]

If Zwolle stay up he will have been one of the main reasons.

His goals won’t have gone unnoticed and a few of the better Dutch clubs will be ready to bid come the end of the season.

Don’t see him playing outwith Holland but a profit will surely happen

[Dashing Bob S]

If it was up to some posters on here, well forget Vente, we’d have no Rocky, Iredale, Smith, Levitt, Boyle, Triantis etc etc and god knows what rubbish they would have been replaced with. Judging Vente on his time at Hibs is utterly useless. Fact is that bar the last few months the last three years were a nightmare which scarcely worked out for ANYBODY who pulled on our jersey.

[LustForLeith]

I feel for Vente

When he first arrived he was lethal. Then he got played so deep he was practically taking goal kicks

There’s a player there. We just never got the best of him at Hibs

[LustForLeith]

Why, as a support, do we need a scapegoat or several of them?

I thought Vente looked very impressive when he came in, but then he was played all over the place in a team whose shape did well in Australia but was wrong for Scottish football.

We did the same with the other Dylan. He was constantly ignored when his talents were more akin to a player we were prepared to bust the bank for. We continually played similar style midfielders and were surprised that we were plodding, predictable and rock bottom.

We started to use Cadden, and Levitt eventually was given a run, with the results there for all to see, and Nectar started to show the type of midfield performances that he indicated was in his locker, last season, when he was moved from the back. I couldn't believe the negative reaction from some fans when it was announced that he was coming back.

This

[Exuberance1875]

Considering the goals he is scoring and had scored before he came to us, we didn't really vastly overpay it just hasnt worked out for him in scotland but clearly a goalscorer

£700k for a second division Dutch league player it’s pretty expensive.

5 league goals for the price seems pretty steep to me.

[Exuberance1875]

He simply can’t be worse Kukharevych.

I would be happy to see what he can do in a SDG team.

He has less goals in almost double the games than Myko.

[Allant1981]

£700k for a second division Dutch league player it’s pretty expensive.

5 league goals for the price seems pretty steep to me.

In your opinion obviously, the guy is a goal scorer who clearly cost a bit more than other positions. He has proven before and since he was in our team that he scored goals

[Exuberance1875]

In your opinion obviously, the guy is a goal scorer who clearly cost a bit more than other positions. He has proven before and since he was in our team that he scored goals

That doesn’t mean he was worth 700k.

Noticeable a good few of his goals this years are from the penalty spot.

[PHeffernan]

If Zwolle stay up he will have been one of the main reasons.

His goals won’t have gone unnoticed and a few of the better Dutch clubs will be ready to bid come the end of the season.

Don’t see him playing outwith Holland but a profit will surely happen

A few of us were posting about Vente on another thread yesterday after he scored.

I suggested Hibs will want circa 1.75 million for him but will probably take 1.3 million rather than risk lose him for nothing. Looking on this thread I see folk thinking we could get close to 3 million for Vente. Surely this is utter fantasy and if he remains in the Netherlands we will struggle to get more than 1 million.
Only Eridivisie destinations which might see us get a good fee appear to be Heerenveen, Groningen and possibly Alkmaar. This is predicated on their 4 big clubs not being interested and their smaller clubs not having the money. So not many possiblities if as you suggest he is to remain in the Netherlands. What Dutch clubs did you have in mind? I should say I know very little about the Eridivisie so could be well of the mark on the clubs finances.
For that reason of lack of choice in the Netherlands, Hibs will be try to tout him to other big European leagues with a view to maximising the sale.

Vente is currently 3rd top goalscorer in the Eridivisie with 12 league goals despite his team only having scored 32 goals and him arriving late from Hibs.
It should be noted that the leagues top scorer is way ahead on 22 goals but he is at Twente who are a lot better than PEC Zwolle. Twente have scored 52 goals. Behind Steijn is Troy Parrott on 13 goals, then 4 guys including Vente on 11 and 12 goals and a pack of 5 players on 9 goals.
Vente is the top scorer playing for the teams outside of the top 6 clubs. It helps that he is their penalty taker and he is very good at them.
I note he has zero assists which suggests he is playing between the posts.

[B.H.F.C]

If you’re comparing the contribution between him and Myko, there’s not very much in it. 11 goals in 43 for Vente and 10 goals in 37 for Myko. One of them did cost a fortune though and the other is a loan player. Don’t think Vente is suited to playing here and Myko hasn’t been good enough.

[babahibs]

He was though. Myko can hold it up and occasionally scores a goal.

One thing that Myko can't do well is hold it up, gets brushed off the ball far too easily.

[superfurryhibby]

He has less goals in almost double the games than Myko.

:rolleyes:


A few of us were posting about Vente on another thread yesterday after he scored.

I suggested Hibs will want circa 1.75 million for him but will probably take 1.3 million rather than risk lose him for nothing. Looking on this thread I see folk thinking we could get close to 3 million for Vente. Surely this is utter fantasy and if he remains in the Netherlands we will struggle to get more than 1 million.
Only Eridivisie destinations which might see us get a good fee appear to be Heerenveen, Groningen and possibly Alkmaar.
Their 4 big clubs won't be interested and the smaller clubs won't have the money so not many possiblities if as you suggest he is to remain in the Netherlands. What Dutch clubs did you have in mind?
For that reason Hibs will be try to tout him to other big European leagues with a view to maximising the sale.
s.

Very possibly. His goalscoring won't be going unnoticed elsewhere. A relatively low budget punt for an interested club and obviously his horizons will extend to more than the Dutch league.


If you’re comparing the contribution between him and Myko, there’s not very much in it. 11 goals in 43 for Vente and 10 goals in 37 for Myko. One of them did cost a fortune though and the other is a loan player. Don’t think Vente is suited to playing here and Myko hasn’t been good enough.

Not much to argue with here really. I suspect Gray would get more from Vente in this Hibs side, we'll never know as he will be offski and I'm pretty sure we will get more than our money back.

Nisbet would be a good use of this cash.

[THESHIP]

He wasn’t very good for us, he doesn’t want to come back, let’s just get as much as we can for him…move on.

[Allant1981]

That doesn’t mean he was worth 700k.

Noticeable a good few of his goals this years are from the penalty spot.

He is worth what someone is willing to pay, again goal scorers will always sell for more, it also means hee haw that some of his goals were penalties, he still needs to score them, if we only scored penalties all the way to a scottish cup win would it taint it, of course not

[Exuberance1875]

He is worth what someone is willing to pay, again goal scorers will.always sell for me, it also means hee haw that some of his goals were penalties, he still needs to score them, if we only scored penalties all the way to a scottish cup win would it taint it, of course not

Genuinely used to forget he was even on the park at times. We didn’t sign a goalscorer. He only got 5 league goals for us.

By your logic we should sign Tommy Goss from Annan Athletic, gets goals in a lower league

[Ribs1875]

If it was up to some posters on here, well forget Vente, we’d have no Rocky, Iredale, Smith, Levitt, Boyle, Triantis etc etc and god knows what rubbish they would have been replaced with. Judging Vente on his time at Hibs is utterly useless. Fact is that bar the last few months the last three years were a nightmare which scarcely worked out for ANYBODY who pulled on our jersey.

100% agree, folk are far too quick to write players off and fail to see the bigger picture.

[Exuberance1875]

If it was up to some posters on here, well forget Vente, we’d have no Rocky, Iredale, Smith, Levitt, Boyle, Triantis etc etc and god knows what rubbish they would have been replaced with. Judging Vente on his time at Hibs is utterly useless. Fact is that bar the last few months the last three years were a nightmare which scarcely worked out for ANYBODY who pulled on our jersey.

Judging a Hibs player on his time at Hibs is useless?

When should we judge them then?

[marinello59]

If it was up to some posters on here, well forget Vente, we’d have no Rocky, Iredale, Smith, Levitt, Boyle, Triantis etc etc and god knows what rubbish they would have been replaced with. Judging Vente on his time at Hibs is utterly useless. Fact is that bar the last few months the last three years were a nightmare which scarcely worked out for ANYBODY who pulled on our jersey.

You make a decent point about us writing off players too early at Hibs. Vente had a whole season with us though. When David Gray is describing the type of striker he wants starting for us next season to Malky Mackay I doubt very much that he will be describing a player like Dylan Vente. He’s a good match for the league he is in, not so good for our league as was proven. Best of luck to him but he won’t be playing for us again.

[Ribs1875]

You make a decent point about us writing off players too early at Hibs. Vente had a whole season with us though. When David Gray is describing the type of striker he wants starting for us next season to Malky Mackay I doubt very much that he will be describing a player like Dylan Vente. He’s a good match for the league he is in, not so good for our league as was proven. Best of luck to him but he won’t be playing for us again.

A lot of things went against him, coupled with the fact he also showed a lack of adaptability. Since we changed the system we are currently 15 games unbeaten. He may have contributed well in this current system had he not been loaned out. Guess we'll never know, but yeah it makes sense for all to shake hands and part way. Best of luck to him, any player who makes us money in transfer revenue gets my respect.

[PHeffernan]

He is worth what someone is willing to pay, again goal scorers will always sell for more, it also means hee haw that some of his goals were penalties, he still needs to score them, if we only scored penalties all the way to a scottish cup win would it taint it, of course not

That's not what many folk on here said about Shanklands high scoring seasons.
Could it be that petty uninformed tribalism was at play?

[flash]

That's not what many folk on here said about Shanklands high scoring seasons.
Could it be that petty uninformed tribalism was at play?

Hmmm. Again.

[Hibs4185]

Should look to cash in where possible, we vastly overpaid for him and should try and shift him while he’s on form.

We overpaid for someone who’s the third top scorer in a superior league and someone we’re hoping to bet a few million for?

We def didnt over pay

[PHeffernan]

Hmmm. Again.

All club forums are full of petty uninformed tribalism.
I don't see any point in it when surrounded by fellow Hibs fans on this forum.
Obviously if i'm speaking to jambo pals my tribalism comes out.

[Exuberance1875]

We overpaid for someone who’s the third top scorer in a superior league and someone we’re hoping to bet a few million for?

We def didnt over pay

5 league goals for 700k is overpriced. Stroke of luck he’s managed a good season and we will be able to get our money back, loaning out your record signing after his first season definitely wasn’t part of the master plan.

[Unseen work]

700k wasn’t overpriced for Vente given the career he’s had.

700k is very very cheap for a goalscorer, think what we sold Melkersen for. Even Nisbet we got less than we hoped for and it was still double what we paid for Vente.

700k is a lot of money for us, but it doesn’t mean the striker is absolutely brilliant

Last season never suited him with our style etc, but I still think he’s had a hell of alot of excuses made for him and despite shape/style of play he should be better. Start of this season against lower league opposition shows that too.

Thankfully he’s had a brilliant loan this season and glad to see him enjoying it. We’ll at least double our money on him and everyone will be happy

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm pretty sure we will get more than our money back.

Nisbet would be a good use of this cash.

I’d be happy with this.

Think Nisbet would be good for us now but can’t see him coming back unfortunately.

[JohnM1875]

I’d be happy with this.

Think Nisbet would be good for us now but can’t see him coming back unfortunately.

Same, don't think he'd want to come back here. Never really got all the fans onboard, including me.

Still take him back though.

[Donegal Hibby]

Same, don't think he'd want to come back here. Never really got all the fans onboard, including me.

Still take him back though.

I think the big question is would Gray want him back ? I just don’t think he would even if he was available.

[Brooster]

All club forums are full of petty uninformed tribalism.
I don't see any point in it when surrounded by fellow Hibs fans on this forum.
Obviously if i'm speaking to jambo pals my tribalism comes out.

How can we be fellow Hibs fans?

[Paul1642]

A few of us were posting about Vente on another thread yesterday after he scored.

I suggested Hibs will want circa 1.75 million for him but will probably take 1.3 million rather than risk lose him for nothing. Looking on this thread I see folk thinking we could get close to 3 million for Vente. Surely this is utter fantasy and if he remains in the Netherlands we will struggle to get more than 1 million.
Only Eridivisie destinations which might see us get a good fee appear to be Heerenveen, Groningen and possibly Alkmaar. This is predicated on their 4 big clubs not being interested and their smaller clubs not having the money. So not many possiblities if as you suggest he is to remain in the Netherlands. What Dutch clubs did you have in mind? I should say I know very little about the Eridivisie so could be well of the mark on the clubs finances.
For that reason of lack of choice in the Netherlands, Hibs will be try to tout him to other big European leagues with a view to maximising the sale.

Vente is currently 3rd top goalscorer in the Eridivisie with 12 league goals despite his team only having scored 32 goals and him arriving late from Hibs.
It should be noted that the leagues top scorer is way ahead on 22 goals but he is at Twente who are a lot better than PEC Zwolle. Twente have scored 52 goals. Behind Steijn is Troy Parrott on 13 goals, then 4 guys including Vente on 11 and 12 goals and a pack of 5 players on 9 goals.
Vente is the top scorer playing for the teams outside of the top 6 clubs. It helps that he is their penalty taker and he is very good at them.
I note he has zero assists which suggests he is playing between the posts.

I think 1.3 million would be selling drastically short. The other players on similar goals in that league are all €5 million plus players (some drastically higher).

I’m not suggesting Vente is gonna go for €5 million however 1 year left on his contract or not, a 25 year old who might well finish the second top scorer in one of Europe’s top leagues should not be going anywhere for £1.3 million.

[Gmack7]

I think the big question is would Gray want him back ? I just don’t think he would even if he was available.

I'd like Nisbet back, I wonder if Millwall have paid in full

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Striker we own who might be worth over a million quid and he's not good enough for our first team . I'm not seeing the downside?

[JohnM1875]

I think the big question is would Gray want him back ? I just don’t think he would even if he was available.

Gray wanted Myko back, so think he’d take Nisbet back.

Not sure why some folk think he wouldn't. He wouldn't keep getting re-called for Scotland if he was a poor trainer etc.

[Donegal Hibby]

Gray wanted Myko back, so think he’d take Nisbet back.

Not sure why some folk think he wouldn't. He wouldn't keep getting re-called for Scotland if he was a poor trainer etc.

I’m not saying anything about the guy’s ability because he is a good striker , no questions about that but I do question wither his attitude was right as he seemed to be wanting to move fairly early after signing for us and maybe having a player like that was kinda unsettling to have in the squad which Gray I have no doubt would have been aware off if this is the case …

Don’t forget we have heard a few times from MM and Gray about players coming to the club having the right character .

[Hibbyradge]

I’m not saying anything about the guy’s ability because he is a good striker , no questions about that but I do question wither his attitude was right as he seemed to be wanting to move fairly early after signing for us and maybe having a player like that was kinda unsettling to have in the squad which Gray I have no doubt would have been aware off if this is the case …

Don’t forget we have heard a few times from MM and Gray about players coming to the club having the right character .

What did he do or say to suggest he wanted to leave soon after signing? I don't remember anything.

[Ray_]

5 league goals for 700k is overpriced. Stroke of luck he’s managed a good season and we will be able to get our money back, loaning out your record signing after his first season definitely wasn’t part of the master plan.

A stroke of luck! Like the stroke of luck that his form before his move to Hibs made us pay out the money we did for him?

[Donegal Hibby]

What did he do or say to suggest he wanted to leave soon after signing? I don't remember anything.

I might be wrong but was there not a few articles going at the time we rejected the offer from Birmingham City that he was unhappy with the way we handled it? And did he’s form not dip around that time too ? As I said I could be wrong on this as I often am :greengrin

[Paul1642]

I might be wrong but was there not a few articles going at the time we rejected the offer from Birmingham City that he was unhappy the way we handled it? And did he’s form not dip around that time too ? As I said I could be wrong on this as I often am :greengrin

That’s how I remember things too.

[JohnM1875]

I’m not saying anything about the guy’s ability because he is a good striker , no questions about that but I do question wither his attitude was right as he seemed to be wanting to move fairly early after signing for us and maybe having a player like that was kinda unsettling to have in the squad which Gray I have no doubt would have been aware off if this is the case …

Don’t forget we have heard a few times from MM and Gray about players coming to the club having the right character .

Nisbet is 28 now and he's had a failed move down south. I'm sure he's much more mature as a person on the back of that.

He was in awful shape when he first moved to Aberdeen, no one will deny that, but surely he deserves credit for getting himself match-fit and in good nick again? Much like he deserves credit for coming back from his injury at us as a tank and helped us push for a (ultimately unsuccessful ) chance at finishing third.

[Winston Ingram]

Should look to cash in where possible, we vastly overpaid for him and should try and shift him while he’s on form.

I think the fact that he’s the 3rd highest goal scorer in a superior league that’s ours proves we didn’t overpay for him. The main problem he had here was the nonsense way Monty used him.

[PHeffernan]

I think 1.3 million would be selling drastically short. The other players on similar goals in that league are all €5 million plus players (some drastically higher).

I’m not suggesting Vente is gonna go for €5 million however 1 year left on his contract or not, a 25 year old who might well finish the second top scorer in one of Europe’s top leagues should not be going anywhere for £1.3 million.

Van Veen and Shankland were top scorers in our league, scored circa 30 goals and no one was falling over themselves to sign either of them for big money.
The same could be the case in the Netherlands in the case of Vente and his failure at Hibs may well have scared English Championship teams off.

Vente has scored 12 league goals, 3 were penalties, none were from headers and he has no assists.
He's a clinical between the sticks striker, he's not particularly tall, strong or fast but he's technically very good.

Where do you think he will play next season?
For me probably a club in his home country and if I had to choose a 2nd likely destination I would say Belgium.
His loan club is of a size somewhere between Hibs and Dundee Utd and their record transfer is what we paid for Vente so very unlikely they would want to or could pay more than that so if we want a profit he will have to move on from PEC Zwolle.

[Winston Ingram]

Van Veen and Shankland were top scorers in our league, scored circa 30 goals and no one was falling over themselves to sign either of them for big money.
The same could be the case in the Netherlands in the case of Vente and his failure at Hibs may well have scared English Championship teams off.

Vente has scored 12 league goals, 3 were penalties, none were from headers and he has no assists.
He's a clinical between the sticks striker, he's not particularly tall, strong or fast.
He's technically very good.

Where do you think he will play next season?
Probably a club in his home country and if I had to choose a 2nd likely destination I would say Belgium.
His loan club is of a size somewhere between Hibs and Dundee Utd and their record transfer is what we paid for Vente so very unlikely they would want to or could pay more than that.

The reason no one was bidding big money for Van Veen was because he was 32. They still managed to get £500k for him.

[JohnM1875]

The reason no one was bidding big money for Van Veen was because he was 33. They still managed to get £500k for him.

And he's ****.

[Winston Ingram]

And he's ****.

He was phenomenal in his last season with Motherwell.

[JohnM1875]

He was phenomenal in his last season with Motherwell.

Aye, he absolutely was, unreal amount of goals. Pretty much his only good season at any kind of level in his whole career though.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nisbet is 28 now and he's had a failed move down south. I'm sure he's much more mature as a person on the back of that.

He was in awful shape when he first moved to Aberdeen, no one will deny that, but surely he deserves credit for getting himself match-fit and in good nick again? Much like he deserves credit for coming back from his injury at us as a tank and helped us push for a (ultimately unsuccessful ) chance at finishing third.

Some of the stories going about his failed move down south which might not be true of course are there were disciplinary issues like him being late for training on more than one occasion etc …

I agree that he deserves credit for the things you say and I do think he’s a very good striker but would be slightly concerned he is the type of player who could cause some friction if things aren’t going the way he wants and with the spirit and togetherness in the squad we have I’d rather not rock the boat on that by taking a chance on him though I do see why some would .

[Northernhibee]

There are enough red flags about Nisbet’s character to say that he’s potentially an excellent player but not worth the hassle.

[B.H.F.C]

I think the fact that he’s the 3rd highest goal scorer in a superior league that’s ours proves we didn’t overpay for him. The main problem he had here was the nonsense way Monty used him.

What about when Gray had him though? And when Gray was then happy to let him go? Monty clearly had a negative impact on us but surely there has to be an acceptance that things go beyond just him.

[Alfred E Newman]

There are enough red flags about Nisbet’s character to say that he’s potentially an excellent player but not worth the hassle.

You could have said the same thing about George Best or Jim Baxter.

[worcesterhibby]

You could have said the same thing about George Best or Jim Baxter.
Except they were both footballing genius.. Nisbet is just a decent SPFL striker

[JohnM1875]

What about when Gray had him though? And when Gray was then happy to let him go? Monty clearly had a negative impact on us but surely there has to be an acceptance that things go beyond just him.

Agree. Vente just isn't cut out for this league at all. Nowhere near physical or quick enough. He struggled in the League Cup against diddy teams.

Wish the guy all the best, he never appeared to chuck it or down tools. Just didn't work out.

[Wilson]

What about when Gray had him though? And when Gray was then happy to let him go? Monty clearly had a negative impact on us but surely there has to be an acceptance that things go beyond just him.

How long did it take Gray to get a tune out of anyone? It wasn't a flying start to the season. Hiw long has Gray had Levitt? We're only recently seeing better from him. He didn't get nearly as long with Vente.

Perhaps Vente was easy to move because he was wanted. He was wanted because he is capable of putting up the numbers at the level he is now? That he is crap or couldn't do it here is a myth. He's scored against better defences than he'll face in Scotland. Much better.

[PHeffernan]

How can we be fellow Hibs fans?

How can we not be fellow fans?

[B.H.F.C]

How long did it take Gray to get a tune out of anyone? It wasn't a flying start to the season. Hiw long has Gray had Levitt? We're only recently seeing better from him. He didn't get nearly as long with Vente.

Perhaps Vente was easy to move because he was wanted. He was wanted because he is capable of putting up the numbers at the level he is now? That he is crap or couldn't do it here is a myth. He's scored against better defences than he'll face in Scotland. Much better.

I don’t think Gray fancied him. He got Myko in, who he wanted, and got him in to the team ahead of Vente right away. And that was before Bowie was available.

I don’t really see how him not doing it here is a myth. He didn’t. Whatever the reason, he didn’t. I also don’t think he is playing against a far higher standard of defender week in, week out. He’s playing a totally different style of football over there. A style that suits him much better.

[Paul1642]

How long did it take Gray to get a tune out of anyone? It wasn't a flying start to the season. Hiw long has Gray had Levitt? We're only recently seeing better from him. He didn't get nearly as long with Vente.

Perhaps Vente was easy to move because he was wanted. He was wanted because he is capable of putting up the numbers at the level he is now? That he is crap or couldn't do it here is a myth. He's scored against better defences than he'll face in Scotland. Much better.

I can’t get my head around the Vente is crap narrative. As you say, he’s performing really well at level much much higher than ours. Anyone we thinks the SPL is close to begin on par with the Eredivisie is delusional.

Yes he wasn’t great for some of his time with Hibs but the whole team were playing crap including players like Rocky and Triantis who we are now desperate to retain. Even at that he was only 3 off our top scorer last season.

I still think take the money and move on, mainly because I think he can command a very good transfer fee, but if he wanted to extend his contract and push on under Gray’s new look Hibernian id be more than happy.

If you removed the name Vente and posted that Hibs were signing the Eredivisie‘s 3rd top scorer we’d be ecstatic.

[Brooster]

How can we not be fellow fans?

Different question.

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t get my head around the Vente is crap narrative. As you say, he’s performing really well at level much much higher than ours. Anyone we thinks the SPL is close to begin on par with the Eredivisie is delusional.

Yes he wasn’t great for some of his time with Hibs but the whole team were playing crap including players like Rocky and Triantis who we are now desperate to retain. Even at that he was only 3 off our top scorer last season.

I still think take the money and move on, mainly because I think he can command a very good transfer fee, but if he wanted to extend his contract and push on under Gray’s new look Hibernian id be more than happy.

If you removed the name Vente and posted that Hibs were signing the Eredivisie‘s 3rd top scorer we’d be ecstatic.

We were pretty ecstatic when we signed Vente as it was.

Reading comments from him today and even he basically says it just didn’t work here. That happens. Scottish football not for him. He obviously has ability but sometimes it doesn’t work certain places. Him not being good and not being good for us, which he wasn’t IMO, are two different things.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nisbet is 28 now and he's had a failed move down south. I'm sure he's much more mature as a person on the back of that.

He was in awful shape when he first moved to Aberdeen, no one will deny that, but surely he deserves credit for getting himself match-fit and in good nick again? Much like he deserves credit for coming back from his injury at us as a tank and helped us push for a (ultimately unsuccessful ) chance at finishing third.

Here’s one for you … Bowie or Nisbet ? .

[PHeffernan]

The reason no one was bidding big money for Van Veen was because he was 32. They still managed to get £500k for him.

Probably not a good example due to his age.

Take Shankland instead. He scored a load of goals two seasons in a row but no team took a punt on him.
Loads of clubs will have looked at him and at his goals but probably decided he was too slow and immobile so the goals in isolation were not enough.
Potential suitors would have been looking at how his playing attributes fitted in with their needs for their league and i presume he wasn't a good fit.

Similarly Vente scoring 9 goals from open play and 3 from penalties this season won't in itself sell him and clubs might decide that PEC Zwolle is his level.
He isn't particularly fast, strong or powerful and he doesn't have any assists or headed goals this season.

I have watched highlights of all his PEC Zwolle games but haven't seen whole matches so don't have a strong opinion on what he has achieved this season and how that will convert into a transfer. There is also little else online in English to get a flavour of how his achievements are being reported in the Netherlands and whether he is being touted for transfer to a bigger club.

Like every other Hibs supporter i'm hoping that we can get as much money as possible for him in the summer with a view to using it to improve our own team but I think talk of over 1.5 million for this player is wide of the mark.

[PHeffernan]

Here’s one for you … Bowie or Nisbet ? .

To play the rest of this season. Nisbet. He is a natural goalscorer in form and it's the only thing we are lacking at the moment.

However, I think Bowie will be the perfect player for Hibs in our league. He disrupts defenders and makes things happen which is what you need when the duffers are sitting in and you have loads of possession. Nisbet is a great finisher but he doesn't make things happen. If you don't feed him chances he struggles.

In essence I want them both. One to rough the defenders up and the other to put the ball away when it falls to them.

[Exuberance1875]

A stroke of luck! Like the stroke of luck that his form before his move to Hibs made us pay out the money we did for him?

On no planet is a striker with a decent ish goal return in the Dutch 2nd division worth £700k

[PHeffernan]

On no planet is a striker with a decent ish goal return in the Dutch 2nd division worth £700k

It is totally dependent on the players attributes.
What I will say is, if Vente was that good one of the big Dutch clubs would have signed him long before we got anywhere near him.

[JohnM1875]

Here’s one for you … Bowie or Nisbet ? .

Said earlier on I wouldn't take Nisbet over Bowie. Think Kieron has the potential to be a better player, but that's potential and at present Nisbet is a better striker.

I'd love to have both them, especially if Boyle ends up leaving in the summer.

[Donegal Hibby]

Said earlier on I wouldn't take Nisbet over Bowie. Think Kieron has the potential to be a better player, but that's potential and at present Nisbet is a better striker.

I'd love to have both them, especially if Boyle ends up leaving in the summer.

Fair enough mate , just not as keen on Nisbet as you but do understand why you are . Hope Boyle stays too 🤞. Interesting if you go to Assists on this McGrath is quite high up , think he will be a big player next season for us …

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers#TopScorers

[JohnM1875]

Fair enough mate , just not as keen on Nisbet as you but do understand why you are . Hope Boyle stays too 🤞. Interesting if you go to Assists on this McGrath is quite high up , think he will be a big player next season for us …

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers#TopScorers

Big time! Think McGrath will be a top signing. Wanted us to sign him when he was at St Mirren.

[cubehindthegoal]

Van Veen and Shankland were top scorers in our league, scored circa 30 goals and no one was falling over themselves to sign either of them for big money.
The same could be the case in the Netherlands in the case of Vente and his failure at Hibs may well have scared English Championship teams off.

Vente has scored 12 league goals, 3 were penalties, none were from headers and he has no assists.
He's a clinical between the sticks striker, he's not particularly tall, strong or fast but he's technically very good.

Where do you think he will play next season?
For me probably a club in his home country and if I had to choose a 2nd likely destination I would say Belgium.
His loan club is of a size somewhere between Hibs and Dundee Utd and their record transfer is what we paid for Vente so very unlikely they would want to or could pay more than that so if we want a profit he will have to move on from PEC Zwolle.

You do put some effort into negativity for anything Hibs. Just an obv.

I actually can’t be bothered going into this too deep. So much could be pullled apart of your reply. It’s late and been a long shift. More to come. So I’ll let others see and say. Jeezo though.

[PHeffernan]

You do put some effort into negativity for anything Hibs. Just an obv.

I actually can’t be bothered going into this too deep. So much could be pullled apart of your reply. It’s late and been a long shift. More to come. So I’ll let others see and say. Jeezo though.

That will be on your grave stone
Here lies CBTG he couldnae be bothered

hibs.net like most club football forums is often an echo chamber instead of a discussion forum.
I try to add a different opinion, a different angle and information in the hope of an interesting discussion breaking out.
As for negativity, you won't find any negative posts from me about the players, the manager, coaches or the owner when things were going badly earlier this season. You will find gazillions of other posters comments which are.
You won't find recency bias in my posts about the players after we lose and I don't engage in embarrassing Calimeroing or bed wetting.
If you want unquestioning devotion to Hibs you should read Donegal's posts. He is permanently positive. The light and niceness fair shines oot o his posts.

[Since90+2]

On no planet is a striker with a decent ish goal return in the Dutch 2nd division worth £700k

We sold Cummings to Forest for reportedly the same ballpark after he played 3 years in the Scottish Championship.

Vente's record was actually better than Cummings, he'd scored 46 goals in 67 games whereas Cummings had scored 55 in 98 games.

[J-C]

New team with crap managers, a different country and league with no friends or family around, there's lots of reasons some players don't work out at clubs

[EGL2000]

I think 1.3 million would be selling drastically short. The other players on similar goals in that league are all €5 million plus players (some drastically higher).

I’m not suggesting Vente is gonna go for €5 million however 1 year left on his contract or not, a 25 year old who might well finish the second top scorer in one of Europe’s top leagues should not be going anywhere for £1.3 million.

Agreed I think minimum we should be aiming for is 3 million.

Rangers were in a similar position with Lammers didn't really want him and managed to get 2 million. He's older than Vente and has scored less goals this season at a much better club. Surely means we should push for more than 2.

[Mcbizz1998]

That will be on your grave stone
Here lies CBTG he couldnae be bothered

hibs.net like most club football forums is often an echo chamber instead of a discussion forum.
I try to add a different opinion, a different angle and information in the hope of an interesting discussion breaking out.
As for negativity, you won't find any negative posts from me about the players, the manager, coaches or the owner when things were going badly earlier this season. You will find gazillions of other posters comments which are.
You won't find recency bias in my posts about the players after we lose and I don't engage in embarrassing Calimeroing or bed wetting.
If you want unquestioning devotion to Hibs you should read Donegal's posts. He is permanently positive. The light and niceness fair shines oot o his posts.

Yeah you definitely inspired interesting discussion when you kept posting that weird video of a cartoon child crying about hurting their toe, in relation to Youan’s injury.

Really odd stuff.

[PHeffernan]

Yeah you definitely inspired interesting discussion when you kept posting that weird video of a cartoon child crying about hurting their toe, in relation to Youan’s injury.

Really odd stuff.

It was supposed to be amusing.

I noted your repeated sparkling insight on a thread yesterday

"I said it a few weeks ago and was told I was wrong but I’m going to say it again.

Hearts are irrelevant."

You didn't say why they are irrelevant which just makes it an uninteresting dead end of a statement ... no matter how many times you repeat it.
Keep saying it and you might eventually get a gumby to reply "aye they ur" but it's rubbish patter.

Perhaps you could extend it into a song for Block 7. I've written the first verse for you.
It's to be sung to the tune of the auld Billy Connolly ditty "The Welly Boot Song"

Oh Hearts they are irrelevant
Oh Hearts they are pish
They have a tiny stadium and a tiny little pitch
When Hibs go to their stadium they will be our bitch
If it wasnae for The Rangers they'd be hu-uns

[Mcbizz1998]

It was supposed to be amusing.

I noted your repeated sparkling insight on a thread yesterday

"I said it a few weeks ago and was told I was wrong but I’m going to say it again.

Hearts are irrelevant."

You didn't say why they are irrelevant which just makes it an uninteresting dead end of a statement ... no matter how many times you repeat it.
Keep saying it and you might eventually get a gumby to reply "aye they ur" but it's rubbish patter.
Perhaps you could extend it into a song for Block 7 or even a poem. I've added a second line to get you started

Hearts they are irrelevant
Hearts they are ****
...

Well, I’m sorry to inform you it wasn’t amusing, it was absolutely chronic, bizarre patter.

Hearts are irrelevant in the race for 3rd, they have been for weeks and are now 8 points back. I was told we should be worried about them catching us, I said they are irrelevant. I was right when I said it and I still am.

Funny you chose that particular post to have a pop at me about as I’m absolutely convinced you are a jambo. If not, you are the weirdest Hibs fan in the world.

[Smartie]

I don’t think Gray fancied him. He got Myko in, who he wanted, and got him in to the team ahead of Vente right away. And that was before Bowie was available.

I don’t really see how him not doing it here is a myth. He didn’t. Whatever the reason, he didn’t. I also don’t think he is playing against a far higher standard of defender week in, week out. He’s playing a totally different style of football over there. A style that suits him much better.

After a decent start in Elgin, Vente was absolutely dreadful in every game he played thereafter under Gray.

Gray would have been forgiven for watching him and seeing the sort of player who costs managers their jobs rather than needing a wee sprinkle of the magic dust.

It’s great for everyone that he’s done so well on loan in the Dutch league but I find it really hard to imagine a drastically improved performance from him with us if he’d stayed.

Even though Vente had been poor it was still quite a big call from Gray - early in his career to jettison a significant signing and high profile player, one I think he got spot on.

[Since452]

I'd have liked to see if Gray could have improved Vente. He seems to have improved all of our players. In saying that, I trust SDG's judgement and if he thought sending him out on loan was the best option then that's fine with me. We are going to get our money back at a minimum anyway.

[Jones28]

I'd have liked to see if Gray could have improved Vente. He seems to have improved all of our players. In saying that, I trust SDG's judgement and if he thought sending him out on loan was the best option then that's fine with me. We are going to get our money back at a minimum anyway.

That's my take on it, I think we will win either way. If Vente stays in Holland it will be for good money for us and the right move for him, if he wants to come back and fight for a place in a side who could well be playing in Europe then we will have a player who has come back to a transformed team.

A poor start to the season perhaps, but we also know he can be lethal when he's on form.

[PHeffernan]

Well, I’m sorry to inform you it wasn’t amusing, it was absolutely chronic, bizarre patter.

You're the one with Conrad Logan in his school uniform as you avatar

Hearts are irrelevant in the race for 3rd, they have been for weeks and are now 8 points back. I was told we should be worried about them catching us, I said they are irrelevant. I was right when I said it and I still am.

At last, something to riff off. I think you are still a week early in your assumption.
This weekend all results for the top 6 teams were as expected with Dundee Utd avoiding the only potential banana skin at Dingwall.

Next weekend is a big one in the race for 3rd and the top 6.

Aberdeen have to win the potential banana skin in Dingwall to avoid giving Hibs a big advantage in the battle for 3rd.
Hibs at Ibrox is usually a predictable home win but Hibs are playing well and confidently. Rangers also have a lucrative European tie the following Thursday so should be resting important players. The cherry on that is that Cerny, their best player and supply line of chances to Igamane against Hibs at Easter Road is currently injured and i predict won't be risked on Saturday. Rangers weakness is at centre half and they cannot risk getting their best defender Souttar injured and missing the Bilbao game so if Baz has any brains he will be rested. That leaves Balogan and Proper who are not the best and Hibs could potentially exploit them. That all adds up to Hibs having a real chance of taking something from the game. It's a free hit and the result won't derail us but a win would all but hand us 3rd.

As for the fight for top 6, Hearts are in the box seat as it stands. two wins and they are top 6. I think they are a better team than Dundee Utd and Motherwell but the former are difficult to break down so a draw is a possibility which could hand the initiative to St Mirren if they can beat the high scoring but porous Dundee at Dens Park. I think the other challenger, Motherwell will fail at Rugby Park. Stuart Findlay will marshall the Killie defence on that pitch and Motherwell won't win.

Here is the bit for you.
If Hearts win and St Mirren and Motherwell lose at the weekend Hearts are top 6.
If Hibs lose to Rangers and beat Dundee then Hearts need to beat Dundee Utd and Motherwell pre split and Hibs post split. That would leave them having to pick up at least 2 points on us in the other 4 post split matchdays.

For me Hibs will finish 3rd if we can beat Dundee pre split, Dundee Utd post split and draw away against Hearts and Aberdeen. The former 2 games give us points and the latter 2 stop our challengers gaining ground


Funny you chose that particular post to have a pop at me about as I’m absolutely convinced you are a jambo. If not, you are the weirdest Hibs fan in the world.

I remembered it because I thought it was a naive partisan assumption of the type you typically get on all club football forums.
When I read them on other clubs forums they make me laugh because they always go unchallenged no matter how ridiculous.
They always bring to mind the words of Robert Burns

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:



Enjoy my replies to your points in bold above.

Weirdest Hibs fan in the world is quite some accolade but having supported Hibs and attended games since 1969 it's not one I can get close to claiming given some of the absolute Hibee radges encountered and bizarre sights witnessed over the decades.

[cubehindthegoal]

That will be on your grave stone
Here lies CBTG he couldnae be bothered



just a simple wow

[Billy Bunter 07]

Vente is different class in a different environment, hope we get money to invest for him in the summer and move on. So much random arguing on here.

[Ribs1875]

If we make good money back on him, I hope we sign more players like that who we can loan back to their home nations. It seems to have worked already with Melkersen and now potentially Vente. I am all for anything that can enable our club to capitalise further.

[PHeffernan]

just a simple wow

A Kate Bush wow?

wow wow wow wow wow wow unbelievable

I simply repeated your words describing how you felt "I actually can’t be bothered"

I hope your feeling refreshed.

I'm feeling good tonight after picking up my first coffin dodgers season ticket

Ooh to be, ooh to be an auld Hibee!

[Since90+2]

Vente is different class in a different environment, hope we get money to invest for him in the summer and move on. So much random arguing on here.

I think we'll get about a million, maybe 1.5.

Thats decent money to Hibs and if we get 3rd with group stage football, plus our good season ticket sales we could have a pretty healthy budget for the summer window.

[cubehindthegoal]

A Kate Bush wow?

wow wow wow wow wow wow unbelievable

I simply repeated your words describing how you felt "I actually can’t be bothered"

I hope your feeling refreshed.

I'm feeling good tonight after picking up my first coffin dodgers season ticket

Ooh to be, ooh to be an auld Hibee!

Really? Is there any need for this?

But to my fellow Hibees, the thread is about Dylan … so ..

I think we probably will receive an offer, and accept it. I’ve not a problem with that, for Hibs, and think also it might be what Dylan wants at this stage. Time to move on both sides.. even though I must admit I’m curious, if he did stay..

[Billy Bunter 07]

I think we'll get about a million, maybe 1.5.

Thats decent money to Hibs and if we get 3rd with group stage football, plus our good season ticket sales we could have a pretty healthy budget for the summer window.
Hope so mate. Be some turnaround for both player and team.

[Northernhibee]

If we make good money back on him, I hope we sign more players like that who we can loan back to their home nations. It seems to have worked already with Melkersen and now potentially Vente. I am all for anything that can enable our club to capitalise further.

I hope we just sign players that make us a better football team. Both Vente and Melkersen might have been better in a different league, but were utter mince for Hibs.

[Ribs1875]

I hope we just sign players that make us a better football team. Both Vente and Melkersen might have been better in a different league, but were utter mince for Hibs.

Its pretty harsh to call them mince for us mate. It's difficult for players to shine during a period when we have been inconsistent.

[Northernhibee]

Its pretty harsh to call them mince for us mate. It's difficult for players to shine during a period when we have been inconsistent.

It’s really not, Melkersen didn’t score a single league goal for us and when the going gets tough, Vente becomes invisible for us.

No more moneyball bollocks - the best we can make money is to take in signings like Iredale, Nicky Cadden, or going back a bit the likes of Cummings, McGinn or Doig who we can develop and/or shine a light on the talent they have that was overlooked elsewhere. In turn they can actually contribute to the t am and we make money through both footballing success and a future transfer fee.

Signing dross because they might be able to be loaned out and they might do well then isn’t good for the player and in turn, not good for the club.

[Mcbizz1998]

Enjoy my replies to your points in bold above.

Weirdest Hibs fan in the world is quite some accolade but having supported Hibs and attended games since 1969 it's not one I can get close to claiming given some of the absolute Hibee radges encountered and bizarre sights witnessed over the decades.

Haha! Don’t underestimate your radgeness buddy!

Have a good night 👍

[Phil MaGlass]

For what its worth I dont think Hibs will get their money back on Vente, I think hes a good striker but cant see it, no idea why.

[Stairway 2 7]

For what its worth I dont think Hibs will get their money back on Vente, I think hes a good striker but cant see it, no idea why.

Be stunned if we never got 7 figures. Better league than ours and we hold the cars. A little bit bizarre but it is what it is

[Since90+2]

Be stunned if we never got 7 figures. Better league than ours and we hold the cars. A little bit bizarre but it is what it is

It is a strange one. Would the club think £500k if that's all we're offered is better in the bank or to bring him back and use him for the last year of his contract?

I think it will depend if Gray sees him as part of his plans. If he doesn't fancy him then there's really no point bringing him back to be used sparingly when we could get some money back and a wage freed up.

But the flip side is he is scoring goals in a good standard of league and is in probably his prime years.

Hard one to call.

[Jones28]

For what its worth I dont think Hibs will get their money back on Vente, I think hes a good striker but cant see it, no idea why.

I'd be shocked if we didn't make a profit on him personally. He's going to have great options, hell if we'd been linked with a guy at the higher end of the goals scored table in the Eridvisie we'd be very excited.

[Centre Hawf]

Much like the Youan situation with a year left on his deal you imagine we'll take any real offer that lets us get out with any level of profit or breaking even. That said if the offers are rotten it might almost be worth holding onto them and losing them for nothing next summer if they've both played blinders to get us third and or a trophy. Both in theory could be huge reasons for that to happen if they've got points to prove to prospective clubs.

[Hibernian Verse]

It is a strange one. Would the club think £500k if that's all we're offered is better in the bank or to bring him back and use him for the last year of his contract?

I think it will depend if Gray sees him as part of his plans. If he doesn't fancy him then there's really no point bringing him back to be used sparingly when we could get some money back and a wage freed up.

But the flip side is he is scoring goals in a good standard of league and is in probably his prime years.

Hard one to call.

If it's 500k I'd be bringing him back into the fold and playing him in a front two.

[B.H.F.C]

If it's 500k I'd be bringing him back into the fold and playing him in a front two.

Can’t see us running the risk of bringing him back in. I also don’t think we’ll struggle to get a good fee from someone in Holland for him.

[Since90+2]

If it's 500k I'd be bringing him back into the fold and playing him in a front two.

That would mean a change of style to what Gray has deployed and been so successful for us. Not sure Vente is good enough to bring back and disrupt that.

We also need to consider Vente probably wants to stay in Holland. Do we really want a player at ER who really doesn't want to be here?

All things considered I imagine he'll be sold. What we get for him though I think is anyones guess.

[Hibernian Verse]

That would mean a change of style to what Gray has deployed and been so successful for us. Not sure Vente is good enough to bring back and disrupt that.

We also need to consider Vente probably wants to stay in Holland. Do we really want a player at ER who really doesn't want to be here?

All things considered I imagine he'll be sold. What we get for him though I think is anyones guess.

Have I imagined the 3-5-2? :greengrin

[Since90+2]

Have I imagined the 3-5-2? :greengrin

We don't plan with 2 main strikers though. The system we play I can't see Vente fitting in to any role with how we currently deploy it.

[Winston Ingram]

We don't plan with 2 main strikers though. The system we play I can't see Vente fitting in to any role with how we currently deploy it.

We absolutely do play with 2 main strikers

[King Cosell]

Another goal for our man, 2-0 up away at Almere City. 2 pts off 8th place if they win.

[Exuberance1875]

Another goal for our man, 2-0 up away at Almere City. 2 pts off 8th place if they win.

Add on an extra million!

[GreenPJ]

He isn't coming back regardless of formation. We just need to get as much as we can for him. He is doing his bit by scoring goals we just need Malky and the team to maximise the price.

[Glory Lurker]

Have we got a big enough barrow for all the cash we're going to get?

[BILLYHIBS]

Vente is plenty

[Unseen work]

13 goals in Eredivise now

Got to be 2-3 million

[HH81]

Surely a big fees already agreed and will be announced early summer.

[Musselbound]

I very much doubt Vente is coming back with I think a year left on his contract. As has been said, just get as much money for him as possible.

[I'm_cabbaged]

I very much doubt Vente is coming back with I think a year left on his contract. As has been said, just get as much money for him as possible.

I hope he was, Montgomery ****ed him when he was here

[Onceinawhile]

Surely a big fees already agreed and will be announced early summer.

Only problem is the team he's at have 0 cash. So he'll need to go elsewhere.

[EGL2000]

Only problem is the team he's at have 0 cash. So he'll need to go elsewhere.

With his form being so good at one of the teams struggling some of the other teams will defo be watching him. Could easily see home move to one of the mid tier teams someone like twente or Heerenveen.

[Onceinawhile]

With his form being so good at one of the teams struggling some of the other teams will defo be watching him. Could easily see home move to one of the mid tier teams someone like twente or Heerenveen.

Hope so. Just don't know if they have much cash tbf.

[King Cosell]

With his form being so good at one of the teams struggling some of the other teams will defo be watching him. Could easily see home move to one of the mid tier teams someone like twente or Heerenveen.

He's been linked with Venezia, second bottom of Serie A.

[Since452]

We wouldn't be able to afford him now if he wasn't our player. Really hope we get good money for him.

[Dashing Bob S]

Get him on an extension

[HendoDelivered]

We must be looking at, at least 3M?

[Centre Hawf]

Part of me feels like if we’re not going to get at least a 7 figure fee for him I’d be looking to potentially give him one last go here and leave for free after. If he comes back and bangs them in to get us a trophy or Europe again then we’d be close to making the money back anyway.

[Souter96Mac]

I reckon, even despite him having just the one year left, we'll be in a good position to get a decent fee for Vente.

Drawing some comparisons, Magnus Mattsson (similar age to Vente) scored 11 goals in the Eredivisie last season for NEC - he was sold to Copenhagen for €5m.

Bigger clubs than Zwolle will be after Vente after the season he's having.

I reckon we could see us getting £2-3m at least for Dylan.

[CapitalGreen]

I reckon, even despite him having just the one year left, we'll be in a good position to get a decent fee for Vente.

Drawing some comparisons, Magnus Mattsson (similar age to Vente) scored 11 goals in the Eredivisie last season for NEC - he was sold to Copenhagen for €5m.

Bigger clubs than Zwolle will be after Vente after the season he's having.

I reckon we could see us getting £2-3m at least for Dylan.

Mattsson is a central midfielder so not a like for like comparison.

[1875M]

We could be lacking options up top next season with Myko away and Gayle retiring. If we can’t get £3m at least, get him back in the team.

[theonlywayisup]

I reckon, even despite him having just the one year left, we'll be in a good position to get a decent fee for Vente.

Drawing some comparisons, Magnus Mattsson (similar age to Vente) scored 11 goals in the Eredivisie last season for NEC - he was sold to Copenhagen for €5m.

Bigger clubs than Zwolle will be after Vente after the season he's having.

I reckon we could see us getting £2-3m at least for Dylan.

Yes, I agree!

I think much will depend on whether we're guaranteed Euro group football next season. If so, why would we release a proven goalscorer in one of the top European leagues for anything less than £1m. With interest from Europe, I think £2-3m is not unreasonable.

We know we'll need to recruit goalscorers, especially if Boyle and Gayle are away, in addition to Kuharevich. It would be mad to take a punt at strikers from elsewhere, when we have our own player player so well on loan at a probably higher level.

We all know that Vente disappointed when last playing for the Hibees, but I would have a fair degree of confidence that SDG will integrate him into what's shaping up to be an excellent team.

[Dmas]

I reckon, even despite him having just the one year left, we'll be in a good position to get a decent fee for Vente.

Drawing some comparisons, Magnus Mattsson (similar age to Vente) scored 11 goals in the Eredivisie last season for NEC - he was sold to Copenhagen for €5m.

Bigger clubs than Zwolle will be after Vente after the season he's having.

I reckon we could see us getting £2-3m at least for Dylan.

any bargaining power we held was taken away by him publicly saying he didn't want to be here next year, everyone now knows we have no choice but to sell so they will low ball us, I'd be delighted with any sort of profit but would be surprised to see us pick up more than a million

[Centre Hawf]

any bargaining power we held was taken away by him publicly saying he didn't want to be here next year, everyone now knows we have no choice but to sell so they will low ball us, I'd be delighted with any sort of profit but would be surprised to see us pick up more than a million

I reckon there's a bit of a lost in translation element to those comments. But even if he did mean it that way, he can say it all he likes but he signed the contract and has to stay if we decide that's what happening.

While I wouldn't massively fancy holding onto an unhappy player for the sake of it, with one year left of his deal we could hopefully still see him play to his best even if its for the selfish reason of finding a good move next summer on a free. I doubt very much he'd be the type to down tools anyway or go off missing, especially off the back of his best ever season that can make his career, he'll know how important it is to continue this type of form.

[B.H.F.C]

any bargaining power we held was taken away by him publicly saying he didn't want to be here next year, everyone now knows we have no choice but to sell so they will low ball us, I'd be delighted with any sort of profit but would be surprised to see us pick up more than a million

We’ve got a striker that most of the Dutch top flight teams would take at this moment. Chuck in that there might be interest outwith Holland as well. We’ll get good money without too much of a problem IMO.

[superfurryhibby]

any bargaining power we held was taken away by him publicly saying he didn't want to be here next year, everyone now knows we have no choice but to sell so they will low ball us, I'd be delighted with any sort of profit but would be surprised to see us pick up more than a million

Did he really say that though?

Regardless, he is under contract and any team that wants him will still have to pay a decent fee. Given his willingness to come to Scotland, Vente will surely have horizons wider than Eredivision. I think we'll pick up a decent fee for him with a bit of competition for his signature.

[Dmas]

Did he really say that though?

Regardless, he is under contract and any team that wants him will still have to pay a decent fee. Given his willingness to come to Scotland, Vente will surely have horizons wider than Eredivision. I think we'll pick up a decent fee for him with a bit of competition for his signature.

He said: "Hibernian are a great club and they are doing well now and can reach the Europa League next season.
"But I experienced Scottish football differently than I had hoped.
"So I think a move this summer would be nice.
"I think I have had a top season here. I'll wait until the end of the season and see where I end up.

that's from hibs observer, so last year of his contract and wants away, I hope your right and we do get a good fee for him, cant see it myself, recouping what we paid is a decent result anything more than that would be a brucey bonus

[superfurryhibby]

He said: "Hibernian are a great club and they are doing well now and can reach the Europa League next season.
"But I experienced Scottish football differently than I had hoped.
"So I think a move this summer would be nice.
"I think I have had a top season here. I'll wait until the end of the season and see where I end up.

that's from hibs observer, so last year of his contract and wants away, I hope your right and we do get a good fee for him, cant see it myself, recouping what we paid is a decent result anything more than that would be a brucey bonus

Fair enough, that's pretty clear that he doesn't fancy it here.

Third top scorer in a league that is much better than ours, whilst playing for a team near the bottom. There will be suitors and I think we'll get a good bit more than the rumoured fee we paid for him.

[Stairway 2 7]

Oliver Edvardsen has scored two goals less than DV this season. He started this season with Go Ahead Eagles and transferred to Ajax in January where he's went on to score 3 of the goals, Vente a year younger. He had 6 months remaining on his contract and Ajax paid €3 million for him. Goal scorers are hard to come buy

[CapitalGreen]

Oliver Edvardsen has scored two goals less than DV this season. He started this season with Go Ahead Eagles and transferred to Ajax in January where he's went on to score 3 of the goals, Vente a year younger. He had 6 months remaining on his contract and Ajax paid €3 million for him. Goal scorers are hard to come buy

Edvardsn is a winger and he’s scored those goals in less than half the minutes Vente has played.

[patlowe]

A part of me is sorry he doesn't fancy another crack at it because I like him as a player, but no doubt he'll have admirers (probably above our station) and we're better cashing in than gambling on it working out for him here.

[Stairway 2 7]

Edvardsn is a winger and he’s scored those goals in less than half the minutes Vente has played.

He plays left of a 3 for Ajax but was centre forward the first half of the season for Go Ahead Eagles. He's 11 goals in 22 games, DV has 13 goals in 23 games. He has played less minutes but he's a year older and DV will have 12 months left when he had 6 months. Your not going to get a direct comparison but with them getting €3 million I'd be disappointed to not not make more than we paid for him

[Donegal Hibby]

A part of me is sorry he doesn't fancy another crack at it because I like him as a player, but no doubt he'll have admirers (probably above our station) and we're better cashing in than gambling on it working out for him here.

Agree . I liked him too and a bit disappointed the way it’s worked out , with his contract situation and him doing well hopefully we make a good profit which will be needed as we could lose potentially five more attacking players this summer.

[CapitalGreen]

He plays left of a 3 for Ajax but was centre forward the first half of the season for Go Ahead Eagles. He's 11 goals in 22 games, DV has 13 goals in 23 games. He has played less minutes but he's a year older and DV will have 12 months left when he had 6 months. Your not going to get a direct comparison but with them getting €3 million I'd be disappointed to not not make more than we paid for him

You’ve confusing the 2 players called Edvardsen that Go Ahead Eagles had. Oliver is a left winger/forward now at Ajax and Victor a centre forward who is still there. Oliver has a goal contribution every 72 minutes from wide, the 2nd most prolific in the league, that’s why he’s commanded a big fee.

[eastmainsmsh]

It could work in our favour get decent fee and maybe persuade Boyler and Co to sign on again plus add to squad

[Stairway 2 7]

You’ve confusing the 2 players called Edvardsen that Go Ahead Eagles had. Oliver is a left winger/forward now at Ajax and Victor a centre forward who is still there. Oliver has a goal contribution every 72 minutes from wide, the 2nd most prolific in the league, that’s why he’s commanded a big fee.

Fair enough must be a more common name than I thought although he does play in a similar position to Boyle for Ajax. There are multiple centre forwards in the top league and Vente is third top scorer for an out of favour team. He's scored more that players like Luuk de Jong, Wout Weghorst and Brian Brobbey who West Ham were wanting in January. Sparta Rotterdam turned down €5 euro for Tobias Lauritsen after he had two seasons scoring 13 goals compared to Ventes 14. He had two years to go. I'd still be surprised if we didn't recoup our money after the season he's had in a better league than ours, even with one to go. Fingers crossed and I hope he does well and we have a sell on