Monty - Enough’s enough

[Greensunshine]

Don’t want to see him or listen to him.

An utter failure.

Next!!

[jamie_1875]

I think today was the final straw, the wheels will be in motion.

[SeanWilson]

But yeah, we should have won that, but yeah, should have done this, but yeah, should have done that. Leave, please.

[MelbourneHibees]

Surprised people think he will be sacked anytime before the end of the season. Certainly not after today, still sitting in 6th.

[hibee-boys]

Surprised people think he will be sacked anytime before the end of the season. Certainly not after today, still sitting in 6th.

Sitting in 6th? Eh🤷🏼

[TrinityHFC]

Surprised people think he will be sacked anytime before the end of the season. Certainly not after today, still sitting in 6th.

Eh?

[A Hi-Bee]

Bring in Neil Lennon ffs.
:thumbsup:

[Stuart93]

I’m genuinely interested in any pro’s people have for keeping monty in charge?

I’d be interested to hear them

[LaMotta]

When you have a manager bringing on Jair and Stevenson in the 91st minute when there is only 3 minutes of injury time and you are 2-1 down you really have to wonder just how he managed to get the job. Amateur stuff. In fact that's doing a disservice to many managers at amateur level.

[Hibernian Verse]

I’m genuinely interested in any pro’s people have for keeping monty in charge?

I’d be interested to hear them

Even I’m struggling to conjour up anything

[truehibernian]

He won’t be here next season so no need to worry. The worry is the unbelievably huge squad of assembled dross and loan players who we’d want to remain being gone (MM and Emi).

We need a whole new defensive back line, a physical midfielder with height, a new wide man and two strikers - all in summer, and very difficult given the unacceptable accumulation of players we have had over three managers and two seasons.

New man has a really tough task but it’ll be a blank canvas especially defensively.

[badabing67]

Please please please BKFC can you just find us a manager.

[eastmainsmsh]

Sadly that’s it new management team required

[Northernhibee]

Bring in Neil Lennon ffs.
:thumbsup:

If there’s to be a change then it needs to be McInnes. IIRC he demands control of footballing matters and we have almost nobody in charge at the club who has a scooby about that side of things.

Any clout on the footballing side needs to somehow be wrestled away from Kensell or Ian Gordon and put in the hands of footballing people. We’ve still made as many recruitment mistakes under McDermott to make me think that we still have people who know nothing about how to build a workable footballing strategy.

[A Hi-Bee]

He won’t be here next season so no need to worry. The worry is the unbelievably huge squad of assembled dross and loan players who we’d want to remain being gone (MM and Emi).

We need a whole new defensive back line, a physical midfielder with height, a new wide man and two strikers - all in summer, and very difficult given the unacceptable accumulation of players we have had over three managers and two seasons.

New man has a really tough task but it’ll be a blank canvas especially defensively.

18 or so out on loan or whatever say a couple of grand each, the money would easy allow us to bring in Emi & Maolida, with a decent goalkeeper thrown in as well.

[SHODAN]

It's not going to end with this manager.

[A Hi-Bee]

If there’s to be a change then it needs to be McInnes. IIRC he demands control of footballing matters and we have almost nobody in charge at the club who has a scooby about that side of things.

Any clout on the footballing side needs to somehow be wrestled away from Kensell or Ian Gordon and put in the hands of footballing people. We’ve still made as many recruitment mistakes under McDermott to make me think that we still have people who know nothing about how to build a workable footballing strategy.

Got to the stage now I dont really care who it is, just has to be better than the last 4 or so managers.
:thumbsup:

[delbert]

Don’t want to see him or listen to him.

An utter failure.

Next!!

Will there actually be any Montgomery apologists willing to stick their heads above the parapet and say that this utter clown should be given one minute more at Easter Road ? He has been an apology for a manager from minute one and the process to bring him in must’ve been downright hilarious, Kensell and his cast of recruitment idiots have truly outdone themselves this time around. The title of this thread is bang on, enough is enough, or we do just continue to reward failure and accept mediocrity and we have had decades of that !

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m genuinely interested in any pro’s people have for keeping monty in charge?

I’d be interested to hear them

The best anyone ever comes up with is that we can’t sack another manager and bad decisions. Theres absolutely nothing that can ever be held up as being a positive for Montgomery, it’s usually just mitigation for him doing a crap job that gets used to defend him. That is fairly damming in itself.

[Northernhibee]

Got to the stage now I dont really care who it is, just has to be better than the last 4 or so managers.
:thumbsup:

And that’s why I don’t have the manager as my #1 concern at the club. We keep changing managers with little change in fortune and we point our fingers at the variable, not the constants at the club.

[Brightside]

He's going nowhere. Just need to hope we sign the players that can improve this team.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m genuinely interested in any pro’s people have for keeping monty in charge?

I’d be interested to hear them

There's a few been saying the same thing for months, maybe the penny has finally dropped!!

[Greensunshine]

When will this report be available from BKFC ?

Surely it’ll show up the piss poor recruitment that’s been mainly responsible for how poor we are.

Heads need to roll not just in the footballing and management departments but above and beyond.

This is simply not acceptable.

A fresh start with new faces is required. Even I can see that.

[jeffers]

He's going nowhere. Just need to hope we sign the players that can improve this team.

I wouldn’t be so sure B.

[TrinityHFC]

He's going nowhere. Just need to hope we sign the players that can improve this team.

We haven’t got any better since we signed some pretty good players in January.

[Smartie]

Will there actually be any Montgomery apologists willing to stick their heads above the parapet and say that this utter clown should be given one minute more at Easter Road ? He has been an apology for a manager from minute one and the process to bring him in must’ve been downright hilarious, Kensell and his cast of recruitment idiots have truly outdone themselves this time around. The title of this thread is bang on, enough is enough, or we do just continue to reward failure and accept mediocrity and we have had decades of that !

Not going to defend him but I don’t really know if today changes anything?

Limping to bottom 6 then expecting him to prove something in a series of dead rubbers is a peculiar way to operate imo.

[Unseen work]

I’m genuinely interested in any pro’s people have for keeping monty in charge?

I’d be interested to hear them


If it wasn’t for Maloney and Johnson being pretty poor and being here a short time, Montgomery would be gone.

The failures of those before him is making the “he needs more time” argument

[WhileTheChief..]

Posters confidently predicting he will and won't be here next season!!

Who to believe?! :confused:

[One Day Soon]

He shouldn’t get next week never mind next season.

Still: we’re getting ‘close’, nearly had ‘jubilation’, injuries and international competitions ate my homework, it’s a referee conspiracy, he’s ’seeing improvement’ and he’s turning our playing style around…

I cannot believe anybody is gullible enough to believe this pish. Get him gone now.

[we are hibs]

Today's result is irrelevant.


I feel for those who bothered going up and they have every right to be angry.


But the reality is our season ended at fir park. This is all just pointless going through the motions nonsense. we all know he isn't going to be here next season so why are we just kicking the can down the road? Playing a bunch who won't be here next season and clearly won't be arsed about these matches. They'd rather avoid injury before their next move.

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[MelbourneHibees]

Sitting in 6th? Eh🤷🏼

Aye, 7th 😆 too many beers.

[jamie_1875]

We haven’t got any better since we signed some pretty good players in January.

Marcondes and Moalida would get a game in most SPL teams, good players let down by a poor manager.

[SeanWilson]

He shouldn’t get next week never mind next season.

Still: we’re getting ‘close’, nearly had ‘jubilation’, injuries and international competitions ate my homework, it’s a referee conspiracy, he’s ’seeing improvement’ and he’s turning our playing style around…

I cannot believe anybody is gullible enough to believe this pish. Get him gone now.

Careful, running the risk of being chastised for making sensible statements here.

[tonyrougier123]

The team needs root canal,the defence is shocking, the manager wants time but it’s looking unlikely he will get it. On the pitch things are very messy. Glimpses of what can be achieved under current set up. But we are failing badly overall.

Var hasn’t done us any favours, McDermott has been unsuccessful overall,defence was key for me and it’s still a mess in there. Whilst maolida nmw and obita are fine. We haven’t done too well in the market still.

If we are to rip it up and start again,I’d like malky mackay head of recruitment,Derek mcinness manager and mixu sporting director.

And the whole coaching staff and any laptop wizards given any credit for the last 8 transfer windows moved on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Posters confidently predicting he will and won't be here next season!!

Who to believe?! :confused:

It’s all just guesswork.

Nobody knows the outcome of the review. I personally would be stunned if the review could come to any conclusion other than sacking him.

[WoreTheGreen]

I thought his appointment was quite ambitious
but it has been a unmitigated disaster so
another shocking disaster of a season

[Northernhibee]

Marcondes and Moalida would get a game in most SPL teams, good players let down by a poor manager.

Maolida aye, Marcondes no.

This league requires high energy, physicality, and the ability to scrap. Even Celtic have fight, dig, and pace in midfield.

I genuinely think Ross County wouldn’t be starting him for the very reason that he’s not the sort of player who works in this league. I’d be starting Josh Campbell over him.

[Unseen work]

We haven’t got any better since we signed some pretty good players in January.

Scary thought where we’d be if we never got Maolida - whoever got him deserves an unbelievable amount of credit

[truehibernian]

It’s all just guesswork.

Nobody knows the outcome of the review. I personally would be stunned if the review could come to any conclusion other than sacking him.

I’m pretty confident he won’t be in charge.

[A Hi-Bee]

The team needs root canal,the defence is shocking, the manager wants time but it’s looking unlikely he will get it. On the pitch things are very messy. Glimpses of what can be achieved under current set up. But we are failing badly overall.

Var hasn’t done us any favours, McDermott has been unsuccessful overall,defence was key for me and it’s still a mess in there. Whilst maolida nmw and obita are fine. We haven’t done too well in the market still.

If we are to rip it up and start again,I’d like malky mackay head of recruitment,Derek mcinness manager and mixu sporting director.

And the whole coaching staff and any laptop wizards given any credit for the last 8 transfer windows moved on.

I would go with Mixu as sporting director, not the other 2, nothing personal just opinions.

[WestCoastHibby]

You can’t blame him for the goal keeping clanger but I will all the same. We just can’t see a game out.
Get rid, sooner the better. New manager with some tangible clues about defence work first.
It’s been a horror show this season

[supermcginn]

Every bit as bad as Butcher, Fenlon and Calderwood. Can't stand him.

[BoyledEgg]

Marcondes and Moalida would get a game in most SPL teams, good players let down by a poor manager.

I wouldn’t give Marcondes a game in this Hibs team at the minute.

[Hibs90]

It’s not his fault he was given the job.

Those above need to go too

[Since452]

I'd be amazed if the decision to replace him wasn't made prior to our statement. Nothing in these bottom six meaningless fixtures make up for the collosal failure under this manager. Bizarre decisions since he stepped in the door. Am I right in thinking he named two sub keepers on the bench?

[hibeerealist]

He's going nowhere. Just need to hope we sign the players that can improve this team.


You seem very sure, as usual, are you related to NM?

I do not expect that He will be here next season.

[Broxburn Greens]

Watching today on the fire stick, turned it off at HT as could just see it coming.

Really going to be difficult now to drag myself out the house for the Aberdeen & Motherwell games, can seriously see 0/6. Thankfully we’re safe.

Another utterly disastrous appointment.


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[Vini1875]

Typed a message at 80 mins that we need to score a second to get a draw, because we conceed so many late goals. So predictable and the manner of the goals so predictable. The players are not good enough, but Monty has been unable to get the basics out of them. Player for player very few if any Ross County players would get into a Hibs team, but as a team they could have easily beaten us by more than one goal and that comes down to the coaching. They forced the issue, we are passive to the point of simply not giving a ****.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m pretty confident he won’t be in charge.

Likewise. In my opinion it’s the only conclusion anybody could possibly come to.

[percy veer]

Shouldn't be on the bus down the road, all seriousness too stubborn with his style of play and formation has cost him , watching hibs is utterly boring now bit like when maloney was in charge .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Every bit as bad as Butcher, Fenlon and Calderwood. Can't stand him.

He’s without a doubt the worst since them imo.

[Heisenberg]

When the fans are giving you that kind of reaction at full time it’s usually the end. It would be an almighty risk to keep him on

[A Hi-Bee]

It’s not his fault he was given the job.

Those above need to go too

That, can be kind of difficult when one is the owner now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

When the fans are giving you that kind of reaction at full time it’s usually the end. It would be an almighty risk to keep him on

What was the reaction?

[Jim44]

I’ve been indifferent to Montgomery up till now, although leaning towards getting rid, but that boring display today was the last straw for me. He has nothing to offer the club, I don’t think he is getting the most out of the players and I get the impression they are indifferent to him. I watched him wander over to the RC manager at the end ……… hands, limply stuffed in pockets, no emotion, no passion ……… a dead man walking and aware of the fact. No point in hanging on to the bitter end now.

[hibee-boys]

Aye, 7th 😆 too many beers.

Lucky you, I had to watch that sober🙈😂

[LaMotta]

He’s without a doubt the worst since them imo.

Would still have Maloney a bawhair ahead of him in the worse stakes - Maloney's pitiful derby defeats are the reason. Although Monty has had way better players to work with so actually who knows,

[Paulie Walnuts]

Would still have Maloney a bawhair ahead of him in the worse stakes - Maloney's pitiful derby defeats are the reason. Although Monty has had way better players to work with so actually who knows,

The players Maloney had to work with have him ahead of NM for me. If Maloney was in charge of this lot he’d have done a better job imo. If NM had been in charge of Maloneys squad I genuinely think he’d have taken us down.

All ifs but and maybes of course, but if you offered me a straight swap right now, Maloney for Montgomery, I’d take it in a heartbeat. I’d likely want rid of Maloney quite quickly after mind you :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I’m pretty confident he won’t be in charge.

Why so?

[GreenCastle]

Should have been binned months ago after St Mirren 3-0 home defeat.

Every day / week we are wasting time.

Serious lack of ambition and acceptance of sub standard performances at the club.

Don’t feel sorry for any of them - they deserve all the criticism they get for not having a clue how to run a football team.

Winning last week was one thing but winning 2 games in a row is something Monty seems to struggle with so today was another failed test. No pressure on Hibs - even less than last week and they still couldn’t find the win.

Majority of the players and the manager simply not good enough for the club with the resources of Hibs.

[JimBHibees]

Saw the last 20 and the goal highlights and got to be said the individual errors were absolutely horrific.

[joe breezy]

Surprised people think he will be sacked anytime before the end of the season. Certainly not after today, still sitting in 6th.

[emoji23]


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[Pretty Boy]

He's like a bad joke that someone won't let drop.

I don't see the point in sacking him now though. The time for that was a couple of weeks back. Let him stumble over the line then do the whole mutual consent thing then. Probably suits both parties.

No danger should he get the summer and start of next season though. He has done absolutely nothing to earn it. We have lost a higher percentage of games since he 'improved' us in January than we did before in the months before.

[leith lynx]

I’m pretty confident he won’t be in charge.

100 % sure?

[chrisski33]

Get him gone now! Dont want him to have chance to bring in any players in summer, lets use the transfer kitty for a manager who knows what hes doing!

[Daydreamer]

He should be sacked alone for the decision in the 91st minute for the two substitutions BAFFLING

[The Wireless]

Get him gone now! Dont want him to have chance to bring in any players in summer, lets use the transfer kitty for a manager who knows what hes doing!

Just a thought but this Calvin Charlton guy seems to very rarely get mentioned and goes under the radar. Should his contribution on recruitment not be under more scrutiny ?

[Since452]

He should be sacked alone for the decision in the 91st minute for the two substitutions BAFFLING

Come on mate he was trying to kill time and see the game out. He's still learning.

[Chorley Hibee]

He should be clearing his desk this coming Monday.

As should many others drawing a wage at Easter Road.

Club is now in the biggest mess (on the field) since the dark days of relegation.

I'm not holding out much hope for next season, or this supposed game changing investment either.

[Daydreamer]

Come on mate he was trying to kill time and see the game out. He's still learning.
:wink:

[truehibernian]

Why so?

From what I’m hearing before the statement, and the statement issued soon after was/is the nail in the coffin Jim regardless of what NM is saying publicly. I thought it would be after the Motherwell game but I’m convinced we’ll have a new man in place for before pre-season. Results like today don’t matter in that sense, but they sure as hell matter to those fans that travelled. The club, as the review will conclude, is rotten top down and major change will happen in all areas. The disconnect with the team and the support comes from incredibly poor decisions made on high. Montgomery lacks experience, charisma, ability to unite that gap, and more importantly is showing he’s actually not a very good manager when it comes to in game decisions - forget player errors, he’s just not a good manager.

[TrinityHibby]

Careful, running the risk of being chastised for making sensible statements here.

I was shot down in flames by some on the Longbangers podcast a few weeks ago for questioning Nick Montgomery’s credibility as the head coach of Hibernian FC…..he has shown me absolutely nothing to indicate he is either a decent coach or that he has any tactical acumen whatsoever …..if we don’t replace him now I seriously think we are in very deep trouble

[RIP]

Just a thought but this Calvin Charlton guy seems to very rarely get mentioned and goes under the radar. Should his contribution on recruitment not be under more scrutiny ?

Carlton handles technical recruitment. Brian is in charge of coach and player recruitment.

[WhileTheChief..]

From what I’m hearing before the statement, and the statement issued soon after was/is the nail in the coffin Jim regardless of what NM is saying publicly. I thought it would be after the Motherwell game but I’m convinced we’ll have a new man in place for before pre-season. Results like today don’t matter in that sense, but they sure as hell matter to those fans that travelled. The club, as the review will conclude, is rotten top down and major change will happen in all areas. The disconnect with the team and the support comes from incredibly poor decisions made on high. Montgomery lacks experience, charisma, ability to unite that gap, and more importantly is showing he’s actually not a very good manager when it comes to in game decisions - forget player errors, he’s just not a good manager.

:top marks

It's amazing that we found someone worse than LJ.

The people making these decisions must see it now, it's impossible to think he's a decent manager and the man to take us forward.

He's doing us more harm than good.

[Hibrandenburg]

He should have been gone after we failed to make top 6. We're now in a situation where we're either stuck with him or we'll have to bed a new manager in during the close season. Not ideal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I was shot down in flames by some on the Longbangers podcast a few weeks ago for questioning Nick Montgomery’s credibility as the head coach of Hibernian FC…..he has shown me absolutely nothing to indicate he is either a decent coach or that he has any tactical acumen whatsoever …..if we don’t replace him now I seriously think we are in very deep trouble

Hang on.. what? :faf:

The idea his credibility couldn’t be questioned only a matter of weeks ago is mental. His credibility has been in question for months now.

The guy has been an utter failure from the off. Started off with 1 win in his first 8 league games and it’s never really got any better.

[JohnM1875]

Saying post match fans ‘would have been really happy at 1-1 with the performance’ really doesn’t help himself.

[TrinityHibby]

Every bit as bad as Butcher, Fenlon and Calderwood. Can't stand him.

I was actually able to listen to the others but haven’t listened to Montgomery since the Hearts game….a complete an utter imposter who is so out of his depth it is frightening 😦

[Unseen work]

https://x.com/hibernianfc/status/178...T_cnYbURW-GKJw

“At 1-1 they would have been really happy with the performance”

It’s stuff like that which will see him booted out and the fans become disconnected. No one would have been happy with that.

[truehibernian]

He should have been gone after we failed to make top 6. We're now in a situation where we're either stuck with him or we'll have to bed a new manager in during the close season. Not ideal.

I’ll wager we’ve been having discreet discussions with a potential manager(s) before today so they’re well in place before pre-season.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’ll wager we’ve been having discreet discussions with a potential manager(s) before today so they’re well in place before pre-season.

Lennon?? :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[LaMotta]

The players Maloney had to work with have him ahead of NM for me. If Maloney was in charge of this lot he’d have done a better job imo. If NM had been in charge of Maloneys squad I genuinely think he’d have taken us down.

All ifs but and maybes of course, but if you offered me a straight swap right now, Maloney for Montgomery, I’d take it in a heartbeat. I’d likely want rid of Maloney quite quickly after mind you :greengrin

Aye its mental we are even having to discuss whose worse - it was pretty clear early on in both their Hibs careers that they were bonkers appointments.

[LaMotta]

He should have been gone after we failed to make top 6. We're now in a situation where we're either stuck with him or we'll have to bed a new manager in during the close season. Not ideal.

You are absolutely right with this. If we had got a manager in a couple of weeks ago then at least he would have time to assess the squad, decide who he wants to keep and identify players in advance of the summer. We are an absolute shambles of a club.

[Pretty Boy]

https://x.com/hibernianfc/status/178...T_cnYbURW-GKJw

“At 1-1 they would have been really happy with the performance”

It’s stuff like that which will see him booted out and the fans become disconnected. No one would have been happy with that.

We were only a few minutes away from jubilation if we had held on for that point.

[Hibees1973]

The problem we have is that Kensell and Ian Gordon kicked the can down the road a couple of weeks ago with their statement which made things worse.

Montgomery has suffered too many losses and dire performances to survive. The majority of the Hibs support have disconnected, which will be apparent with the crowd which will turn up at the next home game. Any defeat under him creates more resentment, or even worse an acceptance from the support that this has become the norm under him. It's demoralising. Myself and most Hibs supporters I know have vowed not to go back until he is gone. My neighbour, who is one of the most fervent Hibs supporters I know has not renewed his season ticket next season with his son.

However, I firmly believe and always have that our problems are bigger than Montgomery. I reckon he is only hanging around for his severence pay anyway.

Our biggest problems by far are Ian Gordon & Kensell.

[jeffers]

Lennon?? :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

Nope.

[SeanWilson]

Hang on.. what? :faf:

The idea his credibility couldn’t be questioned only a matter of weeks ago is mental. His credibility has been in question for months now.

The guy has been an utter failure from the off. Started off with 1 win in his first 8 league games and it’s never really got any better.

However, you know fine well the .net/social media world will tell you you’re an idiot for having this opinion. The penny may have dropped today, however we have the biggest mediocrity accepting happy clapping support going. It’s funny my online interactions are absolutely polarising to real life when it comes to hibs. I don’t know anyone who’s hibs inclined who doesn’t agree we’re utter toss, from top to bottom.

[bingo70]

Nope.

Are you saying the poster is right and we’ve already started speaking to NM’s replacement?

Any idea who it is?

[HairyMM]

[QUOTE=Stubbsy90+2;7649017]Hang on.. what? :faf:

The idea his credibility couldn’t be questioned only a matter of weeks ago is mental. His credibility has been in question for months now.

The guy has been an utter failure from the off. Started off with 1 win in his first 8 league games and it’s never really got any better.[/QUOT

Yes I was fairly surprised that Team Martin was in the minority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlTe0D2Ig40

[GordonHFC]

This clown been fired yet?

[The Harp Awakes]

Saying post match fans ‘would have been really happy at 1-1 with the performance’ really doesn’t help himself.

Did he really say that? If so he's toast.

[JohnM1875]

Did he really say that? If so he's toast.

Afraid so;

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1786805261987979631?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

2:05 mark

[HibbyAndy]

He's going nowhere. Just need to hope we sign the players that can improve this team.

You keep saying this , How can you possibly know that ?

[Chorley Hibee]

The problem we have is that Kensell and Ian Gordon kicked the can down the road a couple of weeks ago with their statement which made things worse.

Montgomery has suffered too many losses and dire performances to survive. The majority of the Hibs support have disconnected, which will be apparent with the crowd which will turn up at the next home game. Any defeat under him creates more resentment, or even worse an acceptance from the support that this has become the norm under him. It's demoralising. Myself and most Hibs supporters I know have vowed not to go back until he is gone. My neighbour, who is one of the most fervent Hibs supporters I know has not renewed his season ticket next season with his son.

However, I firmly believe and always have that our problems are bigger than Montgomery. I reckon he is only hanging around for his severence pay anyway.

Our biggest problems by far are Ian Gordon & Kensell.

Spot on.

Add me to that fervent supporter (who could count on one hand how many games he misses a season) who has stopped going and hasn't renewed his season ticket either.

The club is an absolute shambles and the Gordon family, Kensell and the rest are up to their necks in this mess too.

I'd be genuinely happy to see them all leave.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’ll wager we’ve been having discreet discussions with a potential manager(s) before today so they’re well in place before pre-season.

I think you might be missing my point. There's a big difference between having someone lined up as a replacement and getting someone in to work with, talk to and assess what we have now so he can use the close season to hire and fire as he sees fit. It's one thing watching a team and a completely different experience actually working with them.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

We must ensure we get the right man this time, no rookies or foreigners please, I'd go for Lennon on a 12 month contract 🤔😏👍💚

[Steve20]

No. Enough was enough before a meaningless game with Ross County.

If you were one of those people who genuinely thought that winning 5 from 5 in the bottom six was good enough to give a manager the summer, then I’m sorry you were proven to be the idiots you are.

This club needs to be top 3. Show some ambition. Anything other than top 3 is now failure.

[Northernhibee]

Spot on.

Add me to that fervent supporter (who could count on one hand how many games he misses a season) who has stopped going and hasn't renewed his season ticket either.

The club is an absolute shambles and the Gordon family, Kensell and the rest are up to their necks in this mess too.

I'd be genuinely happy to see them all leave.

Even things like the way that the “hangers on” have been allowed to wreck the away experience for a lot of Hibs fans. There have been comments on here about anti social behaviour within the away support back to near the start of LJ’s time here, and the usual responses of “hangers on” came back. If it had been suitably dealt with early it may not have become an issue but where away games should have a sense of adventure they’ve often become a chore.

If this continues it won’t be long before those hospitality suites become more difficult to fill.


Other than bringing new money in, their tenure has been a failure, especially given how poor the team is even with greater investment.

[truehibernian]

I think you might be missing my point. There's a big difference between having someone lined up as a replacement and getting someone in to work with, talk to and assess what we have now so he can use the close season to hire and fire as he sees fit. It's one thing watching a team and a completely different experience actually working with them.

You make a valid point but if we appoint an experienced manager, he’ll have been watching games on video, then pre-season have a few weeks to assess and also bring in players, move out ones he quickly identifies as not fitting in with his style of side. Doesn’t take too many sessions or indeed games to identify weaknesses. The summer window is also the best opportunity transfer wise to get in and move on players - a good coach/manager will spend hours watching this season’s games and know who they’ll want to keep, coach, and improve.

The ones we need to move on are glaringly obvious anyway (for me).

[Onion]

Surprised people think he will be sacked anytime before the end of the season. Certainly not after today, still sitting in 6th.

:agree: The surprise is anyone is surprised. Hibs were never, EVER, going to win the last 5 games post-split. It was always likely to be more of the same guff we've had all season long. Today simply reconfirmed that Hibs are pretty going forward, have one of two decent forwards (on loan), but little else. The majority of the players we have are sub-standard. The manager has been unable to make a purse out of the sow's ear, and appears clueless and gutless. At this stage, I'd have more respect for him if he showed a little passion and said today was unacceptable, that serious changes were needed and threw a few of the players under the bus. Gawd knows many deserve it. Usually, this is the end of the manager. The players throw their toys out of the pram and the manager is in deep ****. but with 3 games to go and nothing to play for, what has NM got to lose ?

Time for a few home truth's and a bit of realism from some Hibs fans. Yes, we all want players to come good but bottom line, is most of this Hibs squad are over-paid guff.

[AdidasHibernian]

When was the last time we won back to back league games?



He has to go, been useless for months now.

[Hibiza]

Fed up . Same old story. No more rookies .

[The Tubs]

I think you might be missing my point. There's a big difference between having someone lined up as a replacement and getting someone in to work with, talk to and assess what we have now so he can use the close season to hire and fire as he sees fit. It's one thing watching a team and a completely different experience actually working with them.

You'd hope a lot of these decisions are taken out of the head coach's hands and are already being planned for by the whatever football people are coming in to run the show. The new head coach can then come in and evolve the playing staff over time.

In some respects, it almost makes sense not to have fired Monty after missing the top six in order to avoid the "noise" a new manager may have introduced and therefore make a better assessment of the players.

[SeanWilson]

‘We go one nil up, which is always a hard thing to do’. That’s got to be his best sound bite yet.

[Alfred E Newman]

It's not going to end with this manager.

I think you are right. It seems the problems at the club run deeper than the manager and I've no confidence any replacement brought in by this lot would change our fortunes in the short term.

[H18 SFR]

‘We go one nil up, which is always a hard thing to do’. That’s got to be his best sound bite yet.

I honestly think his interviews with the media are significantly worse than LJwho was routinely slaughtered for it.

[Pretty Boy]

‘We go one nil up, which is always a hard thing to do’. That’s got to be his best sound bite yet.

Going one up takes away the fear of going one up.

[SeanWilson]

Going one up takes away the fear of going one up.

😂 noted. In our case, it also starts the count down to 1-1.

[Since90+2]

I've generally been supportive of him, and he seems like a good guy (which is irrelevant to performance admittedly) but I think he's had enough time to show an improvement.

He's gone now IMO.

[Haymaker]

Sack him and spend the money to get Bielsa away from Uruguay.

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[The Tubs]

Going one up takes away the fear of going one up.

I think he means it's difficult to score the first goal, which is a fair point. I can see how it can be misinterpreted, however.

[we are hibs]

I've generally been supportive of him, and he seems like a good guy (which is irrelevant to performance admittedly) but I think he's had enough time to show an improvement.

He's gone now IMO.I think he's a good guy too which means he's probably in the Fenlon category of nice guy but just out his depth rather than the Calderwood one of being a complete breast and out his depth.

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[SHODAN]

I think you are right. It seems the problems at the club run deeper than the manager and I've no confidence any replacement brought in by this lot would change our fortunes in the short term.

Lol sorry, my initial comment was really poorly worded. I meant that nothing is going to get better under the manager, not that it won't get better regardless.

A managerial change will bring improvement but as you say I'm not sure how much.

[Since452]

I think he's a good guy too which means he's probably in the Fenlon category of nice guy but just out his depth rather than the Calderwood one of being a complete breast and out his depth.

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At least Fenlon realised it and walked. Montgomery is too stubborn to do that.

[SeanWilson]

I think he means it's difficult to score the first goal, which is a fair point. I can see how it can be misinterpreted, however.

I’ve not misinterpreted anything. Celtic at parkhead, that statement makes sense. OR Nick Montgomery’s hibs side, that statement makes sense.

[One Day Soon]

I honestly think his interviews with the media are significantly worse than LJwho was routinely slaughtered for it.

They are utterly awful. I said this a few days back after his vapid, content-free interview with the Evening News I think it was. Usual suspects rush to his defence for God knows what reason in the face of the facts and the stark reality. He has nothing he can point to, nothing substantive to say and appears to have no credible plan for how we move forward.

For me, pound for pound, he is the worst Hibs manager I’ve had to endure. The cross over of results, playing style and players at his disposal relative to the teams we are up against puts him comfortably into the top three worst in my view.

He simply is in no way up to the job, miles out of his depth and that ugly reality needs to be faced.

[The Tubs]

I’ve not misinterpreted anything. Celtic at parkhead, that statement makes sense. OR Nick Montgomery’s hibs side, that statement makes sense.

I would have to disagree with you. As there's a big advantage of scoring the first goal, teams often start football games in a cautious manner, which makes it difficult to get the first goal.

[SeanWilson]

I would have to disagree with you. As there's a big advantage of scoring the first goal, teams often start football games in a cautious manner, which makes it difficult to get the first goal.

Context.

[stoneyburn hibs]

It's madness that he is still here.
I'm hopeful that the new money men will make changes from the top down to the manager, and within the next two months.

[Smartie]

The “fans would have been really happy at 1-1” comment is more peculiar than anything.

First - it was 1-1 for a very, very long time. Is he talking about just after they scored their first or just before they scored their second?

Looking back at the match day thread - people were happy with our start to the game. We’d played well, got on top and then scored, so there was a point during the game today when the fans WOULD have been happy. It worsened when we gave away the customary cheap goal to go to 1-1, then we laboured the same way we normally do at 0-0 before selling the jerseys at the end.

He’d probably need to clarify his point a bit but it sounds like he might have “mis-spoken” and meant “at 1-0” in which case he’d have had a decent point.

In the grand scheme of things, these things don’t really matter that much, do they?

Abject results over a season do.

[Pretty Green]

Bring in Neil Lennon ffs.
:thumbsup:

Nope not for me, ancient history

[Centre Hawf]

At this point I do not give a flying toss who comes in. I just can't be arsed with this guy being our manager come June.

Probably should have been punted ages ago but the guy has had time like everyone asked for, and he yet looks more and more clueless as weeks go on, even Marcondes getting him to come to the fans tells me that he has no real sense of authority at the moment. The whole thing ****ing stinks and if this BK review doesn't end with him being shown the door then they're as useless as the rest of them and we're in real trouble.

[hfc-1875]

What a ****ing clown get him to ****. ‘We dominated on every stat’ he just doesn’t get it at all, what a roaster. At 1-1 the fans would have been really happy deary me what a loser, get a new manager in to get a full pre season and get there own players in don’t stick with this loset

[ChuckNor]

And to think there were people on here after last week saying we should keep him 😂. We are going no where with him in charge. The club should be treating this bottom six finish like when we got relegated in 2014. Total reset, including the most significant problem at our club Ben Kensell. The failure started when he came in and every single decision since has been utterly bizarre.

[Real Emerald]

And to think there were people on here after last week saying we should keep him 😂. We are going no where with him in charge. The club should be treating this bottom six finish like when we got relegated in 2014. Total reset, including the most significant problem at our club Ben Kensell. The failure started when he came in and every single decision since has been utterly bizarre.

There still will be people wanting to give him time despite him having nothing to show for his time here and absolutely nothing to suggest he’d be able to do anything if given another 20 years. He’s way out of his depth and should have been punted weeks ago.

[Nicho87]

But if he wins three in the split all is good some believe

He is completely out his depth and should resign

[Paulie Walnuts]

There still will be people wanting to give him time despite him having nothing to show for his time here and absolutely nothing to suggest he’d be able to do anything if given another 20 years. He’s way out of his depth and should have been punted weeks ago.

:agree:

Walked in the door, won 1 of his first 8 league games and it’s never really got much better since then. He’s been a horrific appointment and a total failure from the off.

I genuinely don’t think he could claim to have ever had credit in the bank at any single point in his tenure such is how bad it’s been.

[fiolex1]

Another unacceptable season, another rebuilding job, another manager?,another season of division from our fans and another manager that speaks absolute drivel!

[greenpaper55]

It looks like a combination of a job thats to big for him and a squad that is just utter rank , i watched the first half and you could see that if there was a tactical plan then the players hadn’t been told about it ! It seems incredible that we are back to where we were under LJ but would you trust this manager to get a tune out of a new squad next season after the depths we have sunk ?

[Real Emerald]

:agree:

Walked in the door, won 1 of his first 8 league games and it’s never really got much better since then. He’s been a horrific appointment and a total failure from the off.

I genuinely don’t think he could claim to have ever had credit in the bank at any single point in his tenure such is how bad it’s been.

Even our worst managers managed the odd big win along the way, he’s got zero credit, nothing, zilch.

[Smartie]

:agree:

Walked in the door, won 1 of his first 8 league games and it’s never really got much better since then. He’s been a horrific appointment and a total failure from the off.

I genuinely don’t think he could claim to have ever had credit in the bank at any single point in his tenure such is how bad it’s been.

The only credit he’s got in the bank are excuses and mitigating circumstances.

He took over after his predecessor lost 3 on the bounce, the squad recruitment wasn’t really completed last summer after we punted said predecessor and he’s suffered from some very costly refereeing decisions.

In terms of any regular credit - improved player performances, significant results, impressive team performances etc - there’s just nothing.

[hibee-boys]

‘We go one nil up, which is always a hard thing to do’. That’s got to be his best sound bite yet.

I’m hoping for his sake it’s just bad grammar and he meant it’s not easy to take the lead away from home or that is up there with the legendary “takes away the fear of losing first goal etc”🙈😂

[Tambo]

Yet again regarding a manager I'm at a stage where I couldn't care less if he was sacked/let go at the end of the season.

A few people behind the scenes also need to be held reasonable, I'm just hoping the Black Knights can also see this.

[GreenCastle]

15 days till the end of the season…

So basically just over 2 weeks till the 19th May.

The rebuilding and planing should already severely be underway.

But I expect 19th May or just before a list of who is leaving the club.

The transfer window opens June 14th till September 2nd.

[Real Emerald]

15 days till the end of the season…

So basically just over 2 weeks till the 19th May.

The rebuilding and planing should already severely be underway.

But I expect 19th May or just before a list of who is leaving the club.

The transfer window opens June 14th till September 2nd.

But we’ll continue to flog a dead horse for as long as possible. We definitely should be getting prepared now.

[WhileTheChief..]

At this point I do not give a flying toss who comes in. I just can't be arsed with this guy being our manager come June.

Probably should have been punted ages ago but the guy has had time like everyone asked for, and he yet looks more and more clueless as weeks go on, even Marcondes getting him to come to the fans tells me that he has no real sense of authority at the moment. The whole thing ****ing stinks and if this BK review doesn't end with him being shown the door then they're as useless as the rest of them and we're in real trouble.

Yup, I thought similar.

He doesn't exactly ooze confidence and I don't imagine the players think he's doing much to help matters.

[hibeez1875]

We are an absolute joke at the back. You’d laugh if it wasn’t so bleeding tragic.
Every time I’m convinced we’re as bad as we can possibly get defensively, another comedy show comes along to prove me wrong.
I wonder just how bad this manager can make us, assuming he’s given the time he craves?

[Crab apple]

But we’ll continue to flog a dead horse for as long as possible. We definitely should be getting prepared now.

Yep. The board's current strategy with him is bizarre. Failure to get top six should have seen him depart then and allow preparations for next season to begin.

[Winston Ingram]

The boy should’ve been sacked before Christmas

[WhileTheChief..]

And to think there were people on here after last week saying we should keep him 😂. We are going no where with him in charge. The club should be treating this bottom six finish like when we got relegated in 2014. Total reset, including the most significant problem at our club Ben Kensell. The failure started when he came in and every single decision since has been utterly bizarre.

There were a lot of people not happy with his appointment though.

The fanbase generally calls it right when it comes to our managers, it doesn't take months to suss out if they're going to be good for us or not.

Other than some folk on here, I don't think 'we' ever took to NM. He's just not got it.

[lyonhibs]

He should have been sacked at the final whistle of the St Mirren home game debacle.

He should have been sacked at the final whistle of the Motherwell game that saw bottom 6 confirmed.

Don't be surprised to see him having us moments away from jubilation next season, although today will make that nightmarish outcome a bit less likely you'd have thought.

[Jim44]

I’m afraid that Montgomery has been promoted ( from a mediocre Australian league) to the highest level of incompetence. It’s not really his fault but more the ineptitude of the clowns running our club.

[He's here!]

Will there actually be any Montgomery apologists willing to stick their heads above the parapet and say that this utter clown should be given one minute more at Easter Road ? He has been an apology for a manager from minute one and the process to bring him in must’ve been downright hilarious, Kensell and his cast of recruitment idiots have truly outdone themselves this time around. The title of this thread is bang on, enough is enough, or we do just continue to reward failure and accept mediocrity and we have had decades of that !

'An apology of a manager from minute one'. You're well off the mark there. Just check out the matchday threads from his early games and many are full of praise for his refreshing approach, how great it is to see a team playing to a recognised system and how they haven't enjoyed games so much in ages.

Clearly it hasn't gone to plan since then but he got a lot of credit early doors.

[JimBHibees]

Thought these games didn’t matter 😄

[Since452]

'An apology of a manager from minute one'. You're well off the mark there. Just check out the matchday threads from his early games and many are full of praise for his refreshing approach, how great it is to see a team playing to a recognised system and how they haven't enjoyed games so much in ages.

Clearly it hasn't gone to plan since then but he got a lot of credit early doors.

I think many people were just relieved he wasn't Lee Johnson and wanted to believe he was the new Ange. Our best win and performance this season is still under our previous manager (Luzern).

[LaMotta]

'An apology of a manager from minute one'. You're well off the mark there. Just check out the matchday threads from his early games and many are full of praise for his refreshing approach, how great it is to see a team playing to a recognised system and how they haven't enjoyed games so much in ages.

Clearly it hasn't gone to plan since then but he got a lot of credit early doors.

Happens with every manager though when some fans are blindly optimistic and duped into thinking we have a new managerial wonder even if there has been no evidence for the credit. Seen it with Butcher, Maloney and others.

[truehibernian]

Thought these games didn’t matter 😄

Thing is Jim, and it goes way back admittedly, but when you hear the likes of Johnson say to the fans and squad and publicly that the League Cup, Andorra, etc are “our pre-season” then you’re effectively instilling a belief amongst players that certain games don’t matter and you’re neglecting your duty of building a winning team and more importantly mentality- that created mental weakness for me and a kind of acceptance that the manager will accept defeats. It’s not acceptable. Even in pre-season you should be looking to win games and impress and that should continue into the season. Monty saying “we were a minute away from jubilation” to attain top 6 and “fans would be happy with 1-1” merely supports this argument from fans and pundits outwith Hibs that we are a right soft touch with no real desire to succeed - his after match interview today was unbelievable- happy with 1-1 in a dead rubber v Ross County ? Nah, I want a comprehensive victory to prove you’re the man for the job, and not wait until added time to try and get a draw !!! That’s the problem, manager and players not concerned with how we are really feeling and not reading the room and admitting it’s completely unacceptable to be losing goals at Ross County twice in a matter of weeks in the last minutes of a game.

[Centre Hawf]

Happens with every manager though when some fans are blindly optimistic and duped into thinking we have a new managerial wonder even if there has been no evidence for the credit. Seen it with Butcher, Maloney and others.

People went really far over the top with this guy early on because Jair completed a couple crosses back in October/November. As someone else pointed out 1 win in his first 8 suggests any positives from folk was because his name wasn't Lee Johnson because it has been utterly ***** since he took over baring the odd game every 3 months to get us back onside for 6 days.

[Greencore]

Really wanted it to work out with him.

Just can't see it

[Just Alf]

Yep. The board's current strategy with him is bizarre. Failure to get top six should have seen him depart then and allow preparations for next season to begin.The failure for top 6 I can almost forgive, crap var and last minute goals conceded etc.

It just feels like he's got no "omph" to make a difference :-/

[JimBHibees]

Thing is Jim, and it goes way back admittedly, but when you hear the likes of Johnson say to the fans and squad and publicly that the League Cup, Andorra, etc are “our pre-season” then you’re effectively instilling a belief amongst players that certain games don’t matter and you’re neglecting your duty of building a winning team and more importantly mentality- that created mental weakness for me and a kind of acceptance that the manager will accept defeats. It’s not acceptable. Even in pre-season you should be looking to win games and impress and that should continue into the season. Monty saying “we were a minute away from jubilation” to attain top 6 and “fans would be happy with 1-1” merely supports this argument from fans and pundits outwith Hibs that we are a right soft touch with no real desire to succeed - his after match interview today was unbelievable- happy with 1-1 in a dead rubber v Ross County ? Nah, I want a comprehensive victory to prove you’re the man for the job, and not wait until added time to try and get a draw !!! That’s the problem, manager and players not concerned with how we are really feeling and not reading the room and admitting it’s completely unacceptable to be losing at Ross County twice in a matter of weeks in the last minutes of a game.

Don’t really disagree with any of that.

[LaMotta]

People went really far over the top with this guy early on because Jair completed a couple crosses back in October/November. As someone else pointed out 1 win in his first 8 suggests any positives from folk was because his name wasn't Lee Johnson because it has been utterly ***** since he took over baring the odd game every 3 months to get us back onside for 6 days.

:agree:

Posters with valid concerns were getting a pretty hard time on here from others too. Mad. The warning signs were there as early as the St Mirren cup win with his subs. The Ross County capitulation a few weeks later really had me worried.

[hibbydad]

:agree:

Posters with valid concerns were getting a pretty hard time on here from others too. Mad. The warning signs were there as early as the St Mirren cup win with his subs. The Ross County capitulation a few weeks later really had me worried.
It has been obvious since before christmas that he is totally out of his depth

[LaMotta]

It has been obvious since before christmas that he is totally out of his depth

He won three in a row end of November/early December - that had a bit of hope generated and we went up to St Johnstone in a good place. The performance that day was abysmal, and then the last minute loss v Hearts was disastrous.

There's no doubt some horrendous refereeing decisions have cost us badly this season. But also Monty's decision making has been atrocious - bringing on untried teenagers to see out games, subbing centre halves with 15 minutes to go, repeatedly keeping Youan on the pitch when we are a goal up only to surrender the win through a Youan brainfart, mis-using Vente for so long etc etc. I would add in that his failure to properly call out shocking refereeing decisions after games did nothing to help us on that front either.

[Saint Hibee]

Has he gone yet?

[hibbydad]

Has he gone yet?
I hope so

[Viva_Palmeiras]

He won three in a row end of November/early December - that had a bit of hope generated and we went up to St Johnstone in a good place. The performance that day was abysmal, and then the last minute loss v Hearts was disastrous.

There's no doubt some horrendous refereeing decisions have cost us badly this season. But also Monty's decision making has been atrocious - bringing on untried teenagers to see out games, subbing centre halves with 15 minutes to go, repeatedly keeping Youan on the pitch when we are a goal up only to surrender the win through a Youan brainfart, mis-using Vente for so long etc etc. I would add in that his failure to properly call out shocking refereeing decisions after games did nothing to help us on that front either.

Since when has calling out attricous officiating served us well?

Exhibit A - Paul McGinn

u fortunately it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t but (and I know this will split option) having a manager sent to the stands in the run up or post split does us no favours. And he’d get pelters.

Im torn on Monty but think that today may have been the straw that broke the camels back.
He’ll likely have been managing a situation like Butcher - transitioning / clearing out the deadwood. I wonder if Hibstory will repeat and the successor to Monty will benefit from the clean slate and lower expectations….

Feels like a dead man walking - maybe even looks like that but surely - would be curious to see if. Indy Stewart has changed his tune - there’s so much that needs fixed that cannot be laid at the door of the current manager - he’s inherited shee whilst a January window couldn’t address allthe Shortcomings

if he goes Monty would be within his rights to suggest he had to make do with tools ill-equipped to do the job.

[H18 SFR]

If the board don’t act tomorrow I’m confident Aberdeen and or Motherwell will ensure it happens very soon.

[hibbydad]

Since when has calling out attricous officiating served us well?

Exhibit A - Paul McGinn

u fortunately it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t but (and I know this will split option) having a manager sent to the stands in the run up or post split does us no favours. And he’d get pelters.

Im torn on Monty but think that today may have been the straw that broke the camels back.
He’ll likely have been managing a situation like Butcher - transitioning / clearing out the deadwood. I wonder if Hibstory will repeat and the successor to Monty will benefit from the clean slate and lower expectations….

Feels like a dead man walking - maybe even looks like that but surely - would be curious to see if. Indy Stewart has changed his tune - there’s so much that needs fixed that cannot be laid at the door of the current manager - he’s inherited shee whilst a January window couldn’t address allthe Shortcomings

if he goes Monty would be within his rights to suggest he had to make do with tools ill-equipped to do the job.
Perhaps but most players have regressed under him. He does not appear to know how to get the best of the players he has persists in playing tactics they are incapable of

[H18 SFR]

Apparently NM said he’d have been really happy with 1-1 (in reference to the late winner) during his interview on the Hibs media platforms.

1-1 with the team who were second bottom in the league.

[BoomtownHibees]

Apparently NM said he’d have been really happy with 1-1 (in reference to the late winner) during his interview on the Hibs media platforms.

1-1 with the team who were second bottom in the league.

I think he actually said the fans would have been happy if it had finished 1-1. Mental

[PineBarrens]

There is no point in the guy staying, will be gone by October. Just wasting time

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[GreenCastle]

If the board don’t act tomorrow I’m confident Aberdeen and or Motherwell will ensure it happens very soon.

Aberdeen undefeated in last 6 league games.

Motherwell haven’t lost to us in last 4.

[H18 SFR]

I think he actually said the fans would have been happy if it had finished 1-1. Mental

Thanks for clarifying that, I can’t listen to him, what I posted was sent to me by a mate. Either way, I agree with you, ****ing mental.

[jakeshibs]

Bring in Neil Lennon ffs.
:thumbsup:

hell no he had us worse and lower in the league, people have short memories

[jakeshibs]

If the board don’t act tomorrow I’m confident Aberdeen and or Motherwell will ensure it happens very soon.


No manager worth their salt would come to hibs, we are a laughing stock when it comes to managers and no money will change that, as they know we would ruin any reputation that they had managed to acheive.

[SeanWilson]

hell no he had us worse and lower in the league, people have short memories

I’m not an advocate of Neil Lennon, however I absolutely loved the majority of the time he was in charge. It was fun, we played good football quite a lot of the time, I went to games thinking we could win, I felt a bit of grit we’d never really had before. Neil Lennon isn’t the answer to this situation, however, that period of supporting hibs was pretty fun. I’d like some fun again.

[GreenCastle]

I think he actually said the fans would have been happy if it had finished 1-1. Mental

He said the fans would be happy with the performance at 1-1.

Didn’t say he would be happy with it finishing 1-1.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No manager worth their salt would come to hibs, we are a laughing stock when it comes to managers and no money will change that, as they know we would ruin any reputation that they had managed to acheive.

And yet we have a similar record to other teams when it comes to managers.

The idea managers wouldn’t come here is a massive load of pish that doesn’t actually stand up to scrutiny. It’s a ***** excuse for keeping a manager who’s been an absolute dud from the minute he’s walked in the door.

[ChuckNor]

There were a lot of people not happy with his appointment though.

The fanbase generally calls it right when it comes to our managers, it doesn't take months to suss out if they're going to be good for us or not.

Other than some folk on here, I don't think 'we' ever took to NM. He's just not got it.

That’s not how I remember it. Fans were all whipping themselves up into a frenzy thinking we’d got the next Ange. Same types that thought Jack Ross was a clown and that look down their nose at players with Scottish Premiership experience. Monthomery should never ever have been appointed, especially when managers with Scottish experience were available. Ben Kensell has an attitude toward Scottish football.

The warning signs regarding Monty were there at the very start. The subs in the LC QF against St Mirren and his insistence with Rory Whittaker. Terrible manager. Hopefully he goes back to his level in the Aussie pub leagues.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There were a lot of people not happy with his appointment though.

The fanbase generally calls it right when it comes to our managers, it doesn't take months to suss out if they're going to be good for us or not.

Other than some folk on here, I don't think 'we' ever took to NM. He's just not got it.

It was blatantly obvious he was going to fail here within a matter of weeks. I said as such at the time.

Said at the time his tactics are pitiful. I referred to them as a dad taking the school team. Folk got all upset about it. I’ve yet to see anything that makes me think that wasn’t correct. Quite simply, he’s an atrocious manager at this level.

[Mikey_1875]

Enough was enough a while ago. There is a line for the board between being resilient under pressure by backing your man and then plain stupidity. He is well over that now.

[Greensunshine]

No manager worth their salt would come to hibs, we are a laughing stock when it comes to managers and no money will change that, as they know we would ruin any reputation that they had managed to acheive.


I fear you could be right. However as we all know this isn’t going to be a short term rebuild, this job is going to require major surgery and I’d suggest maybe giving a three to five year contract to the next manager.

Let’s be clear, this club is circling the drain at the minute. Next step is relegation.
We need to get everyone on board, the fans included and get us heading back in the right direction.
This could take a while.

[Tyler Durden]

He said the fans would be happy with the performance at 1-1.

Didn’t say he would be happy with it finishing 1-1.

He’s still talking nonsense though isn’t he? Would anyone be happy with that performance?

Also rubbish to say we dominated all the stats…. Just not accurate.

[truehibernian]

Enough was enough a while ago. There is a line for the board between being resilient under pressure by backing your man and then plain stupidity. He is well over that now.

It’s good we’ve a new (additions to the) Board 👍 the line was crossed a couple of weeks ago I reckon 👍

[B.H.F.C]

He said the fans would be happy with the performance at 1-1.

Didn’t say he would be happy with it finishing 1-1.

Aye but even saying we’d be happy with the performance would have been pish. We started well but it was pretty grim thereafter and we stopped playing in the last half an hour.

[bingo70]

No manager worth their salt would come to hibs, we are a laughing stock when it comes to managers and no money will change that, as they know we would ruin any reputation that they had managed to acheive.

I think there’s two significant differences this time.

1. The timing- it’s a great time for a new manager to come in and have a blank canvas to get his own players in. Anybody he doesn’t want, will be moved on. When taking over in October that’s not possible and you’re on a hiding to nothing.

2. The ownership- with the black knights involvement, everything that’s happened before is almost irrelevant. Any potential manager looking in would only have to look at the players Monty got in January to see they’ll be backed if they come to Hibs.

[BoomtownHibees]

He said the fans would be happy with the performance at 1-1.

Didn’t say he would be happy with it finishing 1-1.

Pish either way

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think there’s two significant differences this time.

1. The timing- it’s a great time for a new manager to come in and have a blank canvas to get his own players in. Anybody he doesn’t want, will be moved on. When taking over in October that’s not possible and you’re on a hiding to nothing.

2. The ownership- with the black knights involvement, everything that’s happened before is almost irrelevant. Any potential manager looking in would only have to look at the players Monty got in January to see they’ll be backed if they come to Hibs.

Aye but no manager would ever want to come to Hibs. They’ll see what happened to Montgomery and question how we could ever have sacked a manager with such an exceptional record.. or you know, more likely they’d just acknowledge that we sacked a guy who has been abysmal.

[Wheat Hound]

New man should have been in already to assess the squad as opposed to the dead man walking situation wasting time.

[Stuart93]

He said the fans would be happy with the performance at 1-1.

Didn’t say he would be happy with it finishing 1-1.

Hahah.

Aw, that’s better then.

[Silky]

I fear you could be right. However as we all know this isn’t going to be a short term rebuild, this job is going to require major surgery and I’d suggest maybe giving a three to five year contract to the next manager.

Let’s be clear, this club is circling the drain at the minute. Next step is relegation.
We need to get everyone on board, the fans included and get us heading back in the right direction.
This could take a while.

I think you're right. However, we're short-termist and success, or signs of it, have to be instant. Nobody nowadays is going to get anywhere near three to five years-the fans won't have that.

[LaMotta]

Since when has calling out attricous officiating served us well?

Exhibit A - Paul McGinn

u fortunately it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t but (and I know this will split option) having a manager sent to the stands in the run up or post split does us no favours. And he’d get pelters.

Im torn on Monty but think that today may have been the straw that broke the camels back.
He’ll likely have been managing a situation like Butcher - transitioning / clearing out the deadwood. I wonder if Hibstory will repeat and the successor to Monty will benefit from the clean slate and lower expectations….

Feels like a dead man walking - maybe even looks like that but surely - would be curious to see if. Indy Stewart has changed his tune - there’s so much that needs fixed that cannot be laid at the door of the current manager - he’s inherited shee whilst a January window couldn’t address allthe Shortcomings

if he goes Monty would be within his rights to suggest he had to make do with tools ill-equipped to do the job.

Lennon did it with us and he did ok. Naismith did it earlier in the season and Hearts have had more favours than not since then. Ferguson made a career out of it. Rangers and Celtic managers do it constantly. Its basic management skills to do so. Having Monty in the stand wouldn't have done us much harm either would it?:wink:

[Nicho87]

Any decent coach, manages to coach an average team to be better

We have got worse

He has signed some players and they have had a positive effect mostly, mailoda being the best by far

However so many red flags

Uninspiring
Tactics sticking with 4-4-2 and he eventually changed it
No improvement in defence if not worse
Losing leads
Late goals against
No fan relationship
Strange interview quotes, jubilation few weeks back, now today

I really wish hibs pull the plug on him, it’s not going to change over a summer.

Give it to gray for the last three games and get finding the new manager

If mcinnes was appointed when Monty was, I’m adamant that squad would be fourth. But we don’t have a competent manager/coach.

[Paul1642]

Today is the day that he lost me unfortunately. I’ve felt that he’s been badly let down by the players, most of whom need to go, but a fresh slate is needed throughout and this incudes the manager.

I do feel a little sorry for him though because no matter how well you set up a team you just can’t control stupid errors that we have seen in every game like Rockys ridiculous assist for their first goal.

[jakeshibs]

It has been obvious since before christmas that he is totally out of his depth

How can he be out if his depth, we are in the Scottish premier and the standards gash, our league is nowhere near the levels he has played, we, somehow think we have a good standard but its honking and recognised as such in national league tabels we are about 17th league in those tables.

[B.H.F.C]

How can he be out if his depth, we are in the Scottish premier and the standards gash, our league is nowhere near the levels he has played, we, somehow think we have a good standard but its honking and recognised as such in national league tabels we are about 17th league in those tables.

Playing and managing aren’t the same thing. It’s hard to manage here. Plenty fail, as we know.

[jakeshibs]

And yet we have a similar record to other teams when it comes to managers.

The idea managers wouldn’t come here is a massive load of pish that doesn’t actually stand up to scrutiny. It’s a ***** excuse for keeping a manager who’s been an absolute dud from the minute he’s walked in the door.


Please confirm which decent manager is knocking at the door to become the hibs manager, and provide your evidence that it does not stand up to scrutiny or you just making it up to fit your agenda?

we don't need any excuse to keep managers as we go through two a season and evidence will confirm we are never shy of sacking them, but that approach has not gone well either and just a constant revolving door of managers and false dawns.

[jakeshibs]

Playing and managing aren’t the same thing. It’s hard to manage here. Plenty fail, as we know.

Plenty fail in all management for various reasons but to claim he is out of his depth in the scottish premier is bonkers

[Unseen work]

I was thinking earlier today, that I just don’t see much improvement at all in the players, let alone team.

Myziane is single handledly getting us results with his goal scoring record. He won’t be here next year and replacing him will be next to impossible

He’s got Marcondes who is a top championship/premiership level player but imo isn’t getting the best out of him. Is he not demanding enough from him? I feel like a Lennon type would get far more from him.

Boyle ? He’s been so poor for the majority of the season.

Youan has improved again since January due to his connection with Myziane.

Vente hardly looks like scoring or even getting a chance most weeks

Then defensively we’re all over the place every week.

It’s not like we’re scintillating going forward but just can’t keep a clean sheet of vice versa.

Genuinely think if Maloney has these players we’d be playing much better and getting better results.

[LaMotta]

Plenty fail in all management for various reasons but to claim he is out of his depth in the scottish premier is bonkers

The evidence shows he's out his depth managing at Scottish Premiership level. Poor subs, poor interviews, poor communication, poor results. To suggest otherwise is the utterly bonkers IMO. The fact he played for Sheffield United in the premiership briefly doesn't change that.

[One Day Soon]

Plenty fail in all management for various reasons but to claim he is out of his depth in the scottish premier is bonkers

We should be challenging for 3rd. We’ve been nowhere near it. He’s beyond out of his depth.

[Unseen work]

39 points from 31 games (93 points) isn’t good enough.

9 wins
9 defeats
13 draws

[Percy Vere]

We should be challenging for 3rd. We’ve been nowhere near it. He’s beyond out of his depth.

I don't think changing manager is a great idea.
Unless he's lost the dressing room.
This was a nothing game, not saying that excuses second half malaise but it's a factor. Half the players probably know they're going too.
The defensive frailties have been there all season as have the basic footballing errors and poor decision making.
How much of this is down to the manager and how much do players have to take responsibility?
It's too easy to say he's at fault for everything
I think it's a collective management, team and execs. M
So what do we do?
Give him a second transfer window or start all over again!

[Lancs Harp]

I don't think changing manager is a great idea.
Unless he's lost the dressing room.
This was a nothing game, not saying that excuses second half malaise but it's a factor. Half the players probably know they're going too.
The defensive frailties have been there all season as have the basic footballing errors and poor decision making.
How much of this is down to the manager and how much do players have to take responsibility?
It's too easy to say he's at fault for everything
I think it's a collective management, team and execs. M
So what do we do?
Give him a second transfer window or start all over again!

Start all over again.
Ive not seen anything from Monty to suggest we are improving as a team, improving as individual players, improving tactically, improving mentally, improving being able to turn a tough game, improving his use of substitutions, improving the desire and passion of the team.
Sorry not seeing anything positive from him at all and his record simply speaks for itself. Are we moving forward? No. Quite the contrary.

[Real Emerald]

I don't think changing manager is a great idea.
Unless he's lost the dressing room.
This was a nothing game, not saying that excuses second half malaise but it's a factor. Half the players probably know they're going too.
The defensive frailties have been there all season as have the basic footballing errors and poor decision making.
How much of this is down to the manager and how much do players have to take responsibility?
It's too easy to say he's at fault for everything
I think it's a collective management, team and execs. M
So what do we do?
Give him a second transfer window or start all over again!

One thing, just give us one thing he’s done or shown that makes you think that he should be allowed to stay? He has shown nothing absolutely nothing.

[The Baldmans Comb]

The Yorkshire Pudding 2 needs to be put out of his misery as he is devoid of authority and bereft of tactics as well as being rather thick and uninspiring.

It's hard to be worse than the patronising Johnston and his contempt for Scottish football but Hibs have somehow managed to achieve the impossible with a Kangaroo league rookie.

"Deid man walking" doesn't even come close to describing the situation and someone needs to end this farce and actually realise that a basic working knowledge of Scottish football is a blatantly obvious pre requisite for the next incumbent. 🙏🙏

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think changing manager is a great idea.
Unless he's lost the dressing room.
This was a nothing game, not saying that excuses second half malaise but it's a factor. Half the players probably know they're going too.
The defensive frailties have been there all season as have the basic footballing errors and poor decision making.
How much of this is down to the manager and how much do players have to take responsibility?
It's too easy to say he's at fault for everything
I think it's a collective management, team and execs. M
So what do we do?
Give him a second transfer window or start all over again!

I was edging (kind of reluctantly) towards this but I think today changed things. I know the game was effectively meaningless but, being there, it just all felt a bit strange at full time the way they ended up hanging about and I just thought he looked a bit lost. I think he’s done, he’s not getting any kind of clean slate and he doesn’t have any credit in the bank.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying I’ve stuck with him because I’ve felt for quite a while that if he was to leave at any point, I’d not be fussed. But I was at the point where I thought there could be a benefit in giving someone the opportunity to fix things rather than just binning them because they failed initially.

Yet again the players let him down today but I just can’t see any value in sticking with him now. I think the club should act sooner rather than later just to give a bit of clarity as much as anything.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yet again the players let him down today

Very valid point btw ..... Are they players he has signed ?

[Forza Fred]

Very valid point btw ..... Are they players he has signed ?

Only permanent signing made in his tenure is Moriah-Welsh I think.

[matty_f]

I was shot down in flames by some on the Longbangers podcast a few weeks ago for questioning Nick Montgomery’s credibility as the head coach of Hibernian FC…..he has shown me absolutely nothing to indicate he is either a decent coach or that he has any tactical acumen whatsoever …..if we don’t replace him now I seriously think we are in very deep trouble
Was surprised at the time that the other fans on the phone in were so dismissive, the reaction to that phone in afterwards showed there are plenty of folk who agreed with you. :agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

Only permanent signing made in his tenure is Moriah-Welsh I think.

Amos as well I think Fred though he didn't play and a part from that he's inherited a squad build up by a recruitment team that's been so bad it's unbelievable and it's something we are still suffering from and will for awhile unfortunately.

Honestly i don't know were we go from here though I still think we should give Monty the Summer even though results haven't been good.:tin hat:

[Se7enUp]

Plenty fail in all management for various reasons but to claim he is out of his depth in the scottish premier is bonkers

It doesn't matter where he's *played* before, if he's a terrible head coach, which he us, then he's out of his depth at Hibs. It's bonkers to believe someone who's played in the English Championship is by defaul a competent head coach in the Scottish Premiership.

[Curried]

Amos as well I think Fred though he didn't play and a part from that he's inherited a squad build up by a recruitment team that's been so bad it's unbelievable and it's something we are still suffering from and will for awhile unfortunately.

Honestly i don't know were we go from here though I still think we should give Monty the Summer even though results haven't been good.:tin hat:

I agree DH. It's not been his squad, and he should be given more time.
I've watched every game this season, and think we played some of the better football we've played all season last night despite loosing. 20 shot on goal and some very nice passing going forward, against a highly motivated team trying to avoid the drop. Laidlaw kept them in it with some outstanding saves. Our frailty in defense is what's cost us all season, and that's been inherited.

[The Spaceman]

I remain in the give him next season camp. He’s got some terrible footballers at his disposal just now which nobody has managed to get a tune out of for a long time. Summer clear-out and let him put his stamp on the team. We can’t keep binning managers.

[Nicho87]

I remain in the give him next season camp. He’s got some terrible footballers at his disposal just now which nobody has managed to get a tune out of for a long time. Summer clear-out and let him put his stamp on the team. We can’t keep binning managers.

Keeping a failing manager based on hoping he turns it round rather than looking at the facts and figures is something I don’t think foley and co will be prepared to take a chance on thankfully

He’s done, he knows he’s done it’s just a case of when

[WhileTheChief..]

People went really far over the top with this guy early on because Jair completed a couple crosses back in October/November. As someone else pointed out 1 win in his first 8 suggests any positives from folk was because his name wasn't Lee Johnson because it has been utterly ***** since he took over baring the odd game every 3 months to get us back onside for 6 days.



Kenneh and Bojnagles were prime examples. Nowhere near good enough and were called out as such by most of us.

Jair, as you say, was another. Absolute mince, but because he managed a couple of classes or runs, folk claimed he was brilliant.

I think it's because we've fallen so low that people ar looking for something to cling to when in realist there was nothing.

That we continually have discussions around Joe Newell being our best players sums it up. He wouldn't have got on the bench for many of our squads from the past but he's meant to the the guy we're building a team around!!

It really sucks. NM just isn't a proper football manager and most of our players would probably struggle in the crappy Oz league he came from.

[Alfred E Newman]

I remain in the give him next season camp. He’s got some terrible footballers at his disposal just now which nobody has managed to get a tune out of for a long time. Summer clear-out and let him put his stamp on the team. We can’t keep binning managers.

It's becoming clearer with every game that he has inherited a dreadful squad of players. The fact that the better players are almost all underperforming week after week is killing him. Well never know if he is a good coach or not, I doubt there are many managers around that could do much with this shower of duffers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Please confirm which decent manager is knocking at the door to become the hibs manager, and provide your evidence that it does not stand up to scrutiny or you just making it up to fit your agenda?

we don't need any excuse to keep managers as we go through two a season and evidence will confirm we are never shy of sacking them, but that approach has not gone well either and just a constant revolving door of managers and false dawns.

Alternatively, you show me your evidence that no manager worth their salt would come to Hibs, or else you’re just making things up to fit your agenda. I presume you’re finally admitting that Nick Montgomery isn’t worth his salt or a decent manager in that case?

And it was just last season where we didn’t go through 2 managers in a season. We’ve still not went ‘through’ 2 this season and we have an average lifespan of a manager much the same as all the other sides in our league of roughly the same size.

But aye, we now need to keep an absolute failure of a manager because for some imaginary reason, no manager will apparently want the Hibs job :faf:

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's becoming clearer with every game that he has inherited a dreadful squad of players. The fact that the better players are almost all underperforming week after week is killing him. Well never know if he is a good coach or not, I doubt there are many managers around that could do much with this shower of duffers.

Surely the fact that they’re ’almost all underperforming week after week’ tells us he’s not a good coach? If you have a full squad of players, all playing below their capabilities every week, then that’s the managers fault for not being able to get them performing.

[Trinity Hibee]

NM isn’t good enough and neither are a large chunk of the players. We have regressed so much it is horrible to see. A lot of fans won’t bother next season unless they see huge changes in the summer. I’m not convinced we’ll see big changes football wise

[jakeshibs]

The evidence shows he's out his depth managing at Scottish Premiership level. Poor subs, poor interviews, poor communication, poor results. To suggest otherwise is the utterly bonkers IMO. The fact he played for Sheffield United in the premiership briefly doesn't change that.

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

[TrinityHibby]

It has been obvious since before christmas that he is totally out of his depth

I agree with that summation. Despite seeing Hibs put on a decent away performance winning at Dens Park in late November results since then have been absolutely woeful with only 4 wins since 9th December and these were against the bottom 3 and Dundee at home. There is simply no evidence of improvement in our play either individually or collectively and the tactics, team selections and substitutions of our head coach are increasingly mystifying. As a fan base we need to be honest and accept our Board have made another poor head coach appointment and push for change in both the dugout and in other positions within the leadership team.

[Trinity Hibee]

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

Facts do agree with his NM comment. We missed out on top 6 which is absolute failure.

Naismith has got results and a way of grinding them out in his first season. Neilson did the same. NM doesn’t have a clue


End of discussion

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Monty’s pre and post match interviews have a pattern - almost a cut and paste job - if you did a compilation that would make horrendous viewing.

Maloney died on the hiil of playing out from the back without having the right players to execute. Monty didn’t learn.

[GreenCastle]

39 points from 31 games (93 points) isn’t good enough.

9 wins
9 defeats
13 draws

He’s only won 2 league games in a row once.

That’s an awful record in such a crap league.

[TrinityHibby]

Monty’s pre and post match interviews have a pattern - almost a cut and paste job - if you did a compilation that would make horrendous viewing.

Maloney died on the hiil of playing out from the back without having the right players to execute. Monty didn’t learn.


I will take your word for that as I simply cannot bear to listen to him anymore

[Since452]

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

Both of those managers are doing well. That's the difference. Robinson took Motherwell to 3rd place and cup finals.

[GreenCastle]

I remain in the give him next season camp. He’s got some terrible footballers at his disposal just now which nobody has managed to get a tune out of for a long time. Summer clear-out and let him put his stamp on the team. We can’t keep binning managers.

If Hibs or fans want him next season he must get the FULL season.

If he does badly changing a manager mid season isn’t the way forward again.

So it’s either change manager ASAP or keep Monty for the whole of next season - that could mean relegation.

[easty]

I think you're right. However, we're short-termist and success, or signs of it, have to be instant. Nobody nowadays is going to get anywhere near three to five years-the fans won't have that.

You don’t need 3 to 5 years to fix us. You could do it in one transfer window. We could’ve done it in January.

Fix the defence. 2 quality centre halfs. Take this ‘playing out from the back’ thing out and get defenders who can defend. Prioritise the basics. Everyone knew we needed to get better defenders. Everyone. A young injured laddie that was sent back without kicking a ball, and a young laddie who’d played about 30 games in his whole career, almost all at Aussie league level, unsurprisingly weren’t the answer.

Monty is a **** manager, but it’s not just his fault for failing to address the defence in January..

I’m no interested in hearing that January is a hard window. We’ve done plenty good business in January windows.

We’d have comfortably made top 6 with a stronger defence, and results breed confidence.

[Northernhibee]

If Hibs or fans want him next season he must get the FULL season.

If he does badly changing a manager mid season isn’t the way forward again.

So it’s either change manager ASAP or keep Monty for the whole of next season - that could mean relegation.

With every respect, changing manager could mean relegation. The rot has fully set in. We have a wheelbarrow load of players not good enough coming back on loan - McKirdy, Henderson, Delferriere, Kenneh - a disillusioned fanbase, little clue of how we play, what our signing strategy is, and big changes behind the scenes.


We’re in deep, deep **** just now one way or another.

[Sioux]

Alternatively, you show me your evidence that no manager worth their salt would come to Hibs, or else you’re just making things up to fit your agenda. I presume you’re finally admitting that Nick Montgomery isn’t worth his salt or a decent manager in that case?

And it was just last season where we didn’t go through 2 managers in a season. We’ve still not went ‘through’ 2 this season and we have an average lifespan of a manager much the same as all the other sides in our league of roughly the same size.

But aye, we now need to keep an absolute failure of a manager because for some imaginary reason, no manager will apparently want the Hibs job :faf:

It's surely fanciful that 'good' managers have been in the list of applicants, on the basis that we ended up with Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

[Weir07]

The Gordon regime had been a shocker, dreadful recruitment of both players and managers, I've honestly no confidence things will change under their watch. As for Monty, he can legitimately point to poor recruitment and some terrible decisions that have gone against us but for me, he's not getting the best out of what he's got and that's the biggest minus point against him. I wouldn't have any confidence going into the new season with Monty at the helm but equally I've no confidence in the board replacing him with a manager that could get us top 5. I renewed my ticket for next year but my enthusiasm for Hibs is as low as I can remember, this season has just been bland and unforgettable. Barely a game to remember. Just don't know where we go from here!

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's surely fanciful that 'good' managers have been in the list of applicants, on the basis that we ended up with Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

Before we appointed LJ we were apparently in discussions with JDT. He’s now manager of Sweden having been manager of a very decent Malmo side.

There will 100% be decent managers interested in the Hibs job. Unfortunately, our most recent choice has been an absolute shocker.

[The Modfather]

You don’t need 3 to 5 years to fix us. You could do it in one transfer window. We could’ve done it in January.

Fix the defence. 2 quality centre halfs. Take this ‘playing out from the back’ thing out and get defenders who can defend. Prioritise the basics. Everyone knew we needed to get better defenders. Everyone. A young injured laddie that was sent back without kicking a ball, and a young laddie who’d played about 30 games in his whole career, almost all at Aussie league level, unsurprisingly weren’t the answer.

Monty is a **** manager, but it’s not just his fault for failing to address the defence in January..

I’m no interested in hearing that January is a hard window. We’ve done plenty good business in January windows.

We’d have comfortably made top 6 with a stronger defence, and results breed confidence.

One transfer window wasn’t enough to fix our problems, possible to paper over the cracks in the short term though. In January we needed a keeper, two centre backs, two midfielders and arguably a striker suited to playing on his own. Essentially a brand new spine. I’d accept as a minimum maybe only two centre backs and two midfielders and we’ve got a better 11. As soon as any of them are unavailable we’re back to using the same bottom 6 dross though.

We could probably have signed two centrebacks that would have improved us but it would have been at the expense of someone like Maolida who is single handedly carrying us.

I just hope signing Amos didn’t mean we ultimately couldn’t properly address the centre backs. He screams another signing where Hibs are trying to be too clever for their own good IMO.

[oneone73]

Before we appointed LJ we were apparently in discussions with JDT. He’s now manager of Sweden having been manager of a very decent Malmo side.

There will 100% be decent managers interested in the Hibs job. Unfortunately, our most recent choice has been an absolute shocker.
Didn't Blackburn take him on when we signed up LJ? How did he do there?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

With every respect, changing manager could mean relegation. The rot has fully set in. We have a wheelbarrow load of players not good enough coming back on loan - McKirdy, Henderson, Delferriere, Kenneh - a disillusioned fanbase, little clue of how we play, what our signing strategy is, and big changes behind the scenes.


We’re in deep, deep **** just now one way or another.

I think the point stands about changing managers - we’ve completely fluffed that up giving folks no preseason or chance to recruit is not helping our cause.

[supermcginn]

Didn't Blackburn take him on when we signed up LJ? How did he do there?

He done well and the fans were devastated that he left.

[eastmainsmsh]

Young managers like Ian Murray and Rhys mcabe are doing well on low budgets baffling why we can't

[Crab apple]

Monty’s pre and post match interviews have a pattern - almost a cut and paste job - if you did a compilation that would make horrendous viewing.

Maloney died on the hiil of playing out from the back without having the right players to execute. Monty didn’t learn.

I'd be more optimistic with Maloney in charge rather than NM and I thought Maloney was pretty hopeless.

[Crab apple]

One transfer window wasn’t enough to fix our problems, possible to paper over the cracks in the short term though. In January we needed a keeper, two centre backs, two midfielders and arguably a striker suited to playing on his own. Essentially a brand new spine. I’d accept as a minimum maybe only two centre backs and two midfielders and we’ve got a better 11. As soon as any of them are unavailable we’re back to using the same bottom 6 dross though.

We could probably have signed two centrebacks that would have improved us but it would have been at the expense of someone like Maolida who is single handedly carrying us.

I just hope signing Amos didn’t mean we ultimately couldn’t properly address the centre backs. He screams another signing where Hibs are trying to be too clever for their own good IMO.

Not sorting out the defence in January killed us. I don't know who was ultimtately responsible for that but it should be a key part of the review and heads should roll.

[Allant1981]

Genuinely can't see him being sacked, if they were going to do it they would have imo, they are having a review apparently, you don't need a review to know the results have been crap, that is with the manager, rightly or wrong sometimes. Sack the manager then have an overall look at what needs improved

[easty]

One transfer window wasn’t enough to fix our problems, possible to paper over the cracks in the short term though. In January we needed a keeper, two centre backs, two midfielders and arguably a striker suited to playing on his own. Essentially a brand new spine. I’d accept as a minimum maybe only two centre backs and two midfielders and we’ve got a better 11. As soon as any of them are unavailable we’re back to using the same bottom 6 dross though.

We could probably have signed two centrebacks that would have improved us but it would have been at the expense of someone like Maolida who is single handedly carrying us.

I just hope signing Amos didn’t mean we ultimately couldn’t properly address the centre backs. He screams another signing where Hibs are trying to be too clever for their own good IMO.

Our squad isn’t bottom 6 dross, it’s a top 6 squad being sunk into the bottom 6 by a terrible manager. Lee Johnson wasn’t some kind of miracle worker, but he had us top 6 last season. We’ve a better squad than Dundee, St Mirren and Killie, and I think we’re only worse off than Hearts at the back.

[He's here!]

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

Does that not just prove they're better managers than Monty? Naismith will be in the running for the manager of the season award.

[easty]

Does that not just prove they're better managers than Monty? Naismith will be in the running for the manager of the season award.

He’s not.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/36621/13121043/derek-mcinnes-tony-docherty-and-john-mcglynn-nominated-for-scotland-s-manager-of-the-year

[HendoDelivered]

I remain in the give him next season camp. He’s got some terrible footballers at his disposal just now which nobody has managed to get a tune out of for a long time. Summer clear-out and let him put his stamp on the team. We can’t keep binning managers.

I’m the same.

[BoomtownHibees]

Our squad isn’t bottom 6 dross, it’s a top 6 squad being sunk into the bottom 6 by a terrible manager. Lee Johnson wasn’t some kind of miracle worker, but he had us top 6 last season. We’ve a better squad than Dundee, St Mirren and Killie, and I think we’re only worse off than Hearts at the back.

Our squad is *****, our manager is *****. From who played yesterday there aren’t many I’d be fussed about not being here next season

[Crab apple]

He’s not.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/36621/13121043/derek-mcinnes-tony-docherty-and-john-mcglynn-nominated-for-scotland-s-manager-of-the-year

McGlynn has done a good job at Falkirk. Unbeaten this season in the league even if on paper the challengers weren't as strong this year. For the last few seasons they have been crap and the relationship between board and fans has been toxic. It shows the importance of getting the right manager in place. Things generally fall into place after that. We need to get the next appointment right. Keeping NM will ensure another season of failure.

[BoomtownHibees]

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

Do you think Monty is likely to go on and manage a bigger or better club than Hibs?

[matty_f]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

[easty]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

Exactly.

[Wheat Hound]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

Nail on the head 👏

To lose 1 or 2 late goals can be bad luck. To repeatedly lose late goals speaks to bad management/coaching and a weak mentality. Not one player has improved to any notable extent under NM. To see him standing in front of the fans yesterday was to see a lost looking man.

[blackpoolhibs]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

Spot on.

[greenpaper55]

I don’t think Cowies tactical nous had anything to do with the two howlers that we let in yesterday ?

[WestStandMoaner]

Exactly.

You have it spot on all this nonsense about giving NM another window, why?. He has shown nothing you don't keep a bad manager because we have emptied a couple before him, if he is not up to the task don't preserve. I thought Monty was the one but the more i hear from the more i want him to leave.

We need a manager in that knows the league has overall control of footballing matters.

[JimBHibees]

Our squad isn’t bottom 6 dross, it’s a top 6 squad being sunk into the bottom 6 by a terrible manager. Lee Johnson wasn’t some kind of miracle worker, but he had us top 6 last season. We’ve a better squad than Dundee, St Mirren and Killie, and I think we’re only worse off than Hearts at the back.

Genuinely think you are overrating the players we have.

[Since452]

It's surely fanciful that 'good' managers have been in the list of applicants, on the basis that we ended up with Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

I've got no doubt whatsoever there were good managers shortlisted and ones who applied. We're an extremely appealing club if we're doing well or not. The problem is Gordon and Kensell trying to be too clever. Maloney and Montgomery in particular were wild appointments.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think Cowies tactical nous had anything to do with the two howlers that we let in yesterday ?

I thought Ross County were poor but they worked hard and they were up for it. Which is understandable given they are trying to stay in the league. And you can always rely on us to give you a gift. We lacked the same drive, determination and work ethic but that’s been the same all season.

[Lancs Harp]

Our squad isn’t bottom 6 dross, it’s a top 6 squad being sunk into the bottom 6 by a terrible manager. Lee Johnson wasn’t some kind of miracle worker, but he had us top 6 last season. We’ve a better squad than Dundee, St Mirren and Killie, and I think we’re only worse off than Hearts at the back.

I think the squad has just proved itself that its bottom 6 dross. League table doesnt lie.

[easty]

I think the squad has just proved itself that its bottom 6 dross. League table doesnt lie.

The results and performances we’ve put in this season mean we deserve bottom 6.

I know a lot of people won’t agree, but it’s not a bottom 6 squad for me

McInnes, Robinson or Docherty have their teams in the top 6. Any one of them potentially couldve have had us challenging Hearts for third this season. At worst we’d be comfortably top 6.