Monty - Enough’s enough

[bingo70]

Who knows eh. He thinks he is. But the rebuild is massive. We are a mess. 40+ players and you wouldn’t move them on to many other prem teams. So much money wasted at the wrong time.

When you say who knows, you said you did know and he was definitely staying.

Were you wrong when you said that then?

[jeffers]

I’m not buying that. The players might well have seen through both managers, but the fans have long since seen through this squad. You don’t lose your first 3 games in the manner we did to cost a manager his job. Then finish bottom 6 under a second manager, getting progressively worse, because they’ve seen through a second manager in the same season but they’re actually a good, talented, bunch.

Ultimately Johnson was a ****.

The squad is better than it’s shown on a consistent basis. Is that down to the players ? Is it down to coaching, formation/tactics, crazy substitutes ? Probably a bit of both, but our results against the team who strolled 4th would suggest there wasn’t much if any of a difference in quality. I fully believe a better manager would have got more out of them.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m not disagreeing about today, I’m saying I don’t believe they had downed tools before then. I’d argue a large number of fans have seen through him, so it’s no surprise if the players have, working with him on a daily basis. Whatever their failings are.

And I’m really not defending the players, I’ve said this more than once there are lucky if there are more than a handful of players I’d be sorry to see leave and we’ve already confirmed 3 of them will be going at the end of the season.

Thing is, the players are still in a position to do something about the result but there’s a mixture of not being able to and not really wanting to. It was only last week up at Ross County that they just totally stopped playing.

Big failing of Montgomery is letting them off with it. He started the same team today that started last week. Then waited until we were 3 down until changing anything today.

Wait until pre season and they’ll all be talking about how enjoyable it is under the new gaffer, how they’re getting their ideas over blah blah blah. The. When the going gets tough they’ll be happy to let him take the blame.

[Hiber-nation]

When you say who knows, you said you did know and he was definitely staying.

Were you wrong when you said that then?

You should get a job interviewing politicians on the BBC Bingo 😂

[Smartie]

Thing is, the players are still in a position to do something about the result but there’s a mixture of not being able to and not really wanting to. It was only last week up at Ross County that they just totally stopped playing.

Big failing of Montgomery is letting them off with it. He started the same team today that started last week. Then waited until we were 3 down until changing anything today.

Wait until pre season and they’ll all be talking about how enjoyable it is under the new gaffer, how they’re getting their ideas over blah blah blah. The. When the going gets tough they’ll be happy to let him take the blame.

Not saying you’re wrong (and hindsight would suggest you’re definitely not wrong) but did the team selection strike you as that bizarre?

Given who we had available and missing, it sort of picked itself and he didn’t look - to me - like he had many alternatives where we can head off credibly to “if only” land.

Campbell starting, maybe a justification he deserved a start. ALF is a player who, in spite of our current struggles, I like and rate.

But can you seriously say that if we’d started Levitt then we’d have had a better chance of winning the game?

[jeffers]

Thing is, the players are still in a position to do something about the result but there’s a mixture of not being able to and not really wanting to. It was only last week up at Ross County that they just totally stopped playing.

Big failing of Montgomery is letting them off with it. He started the same team today that started last week. Then waited until we were 3 down until changing anything today.

Wait until pre season and they’ll all be talking about how enjoyable it is under the new gaffer, how they’re getting their ideas over blah blah blah. The. When the going gets tough they’ll be happy to let him take the blame.

You’d like to think players would have a bit more pride in their performances yes, but once we failed to make Top 6 there wasn’t really anything to play for. I was actually surprised at the St Johnstone performance. But if you have little faith in the manager, some of you are being told you aren’t good enough/have no future at the club it’s no big surprise if the play reflects that.

[B.H.F.C]

Not saying you’re wrong (and hindsight would suggest you’re definitely not wrong) but did the team selection strike you as that bizarre?

Given who we had available and missing, it sort of picked itself and he didn’t look - to me - like he had many alternatives where we can head off credibly to “if only” land.

Campbell starting, maybe a justification he deserved a start. ALF is a player who, in spite of our current struggles, I like and rate.

But can you seriously say that if we’d started Levitt then we’d have had a better chance of winning the game?

I thought he should have changed something. We were talking about it before the game and going with the same team on the back of last weeks performance was just wrong. There players need to think/know there is some kind of consequence to being crap and not, IMO, putting in the required level of effort.

Look, it might not have mad a bit of difference but I’d have played Johnson in goals. Wollacott was dreadful last week and I don’t see any way he becomes our number one. I wouldn’t have played Rocky. I know Triantis isn’t really any better but, again, Rocky gets away with continual errors. I’d have made a change, or changes in the middle of the park. What we saw today was just a continuation of what we saw for 90 minutes last week.

I know our options are limited, at best, but just doing the same thing was stupidity for me.

[Paulie Walnuts]

When you say who knows, you said you did know and he was definitely staying.

Were you wrong when you said that then?

:greengrin

Let’s be honest, nobody knows if he’s staying. He doesn’t even know.

He’ll continue to talk like he’s going to be, because until he hears differently, then he’ll remain manager. That won’t have any impact on the outcome of the review though, they’re not going to look at him and go ‘aye, I’d probably get rid but he thinks he’s staying next year so it would be shan to sack him’.

[Tyler Durden]

The club statement basically gave the players the power…. Lose 2 or 3 games and it’s pretty clear the manager will get the bullet.

Media interviews can defo be given too much prominence. But you listen to Monty and it’s no surprise surely that he’s been unsuccessful and the players don’t seem invested in keeping him around. He’s out his depth

[badabing67]

There's no excuse for a performance like that. We get worse week to week, not better. One embarrassment after another. It shouldn't even be a debate - he's nowhere near getting it right at Hibs. Time for a fresh start and let's start the new season with some optimism.

Absolutely this is the quote of the day

Tom English


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Hibs can’t kept firing managers, that’s true. Unfortunately, they can’t stop hiring managers that need to be fired. Vicious circle.

[Centre Hawf]

Today to me looked like a bunch of players that had collectively given up. There were very few left out there that looked genuinely frustrated with their teams each time they cut through and scored which is a total shambles of a situation we find ourselves in.

It worries me that we're back in a Terry Butcher situation (thankfully without fear of going down at this present moment) that we've got a host of loanees that know they won't be here beyond the summer and guys who are either out of contract or with one year left that have been told to consider looking for a club elsewhere. It did not look anywhere near like a squad of players that had any pride in wearing the jersey, and I'm not one to usually bleat on about that side of the game but I can't help feel disgusted by the level of performance from some at the moment.

[Donegal Hibby]

Problem is that most of us that think the manager should be given time are quite willing to say there's mistakes been made , footballs been poor at times though the minute any of us mention some of the other stuff that's contributed to our season like atrocious decisions , Injuries etc it's normally dismissed because some just don't want to hear it ! .


[/B]


Really, Donegal Hibby assures us that the majority want him retained and given at least one more window

If you read my post again maybe this time correctly you might realise I was replying to two other posters that had a similar opinion to me and at no point did I say the majority of fans wanted him retained .

You just jumped the gun in having a go with something you got totally wrong. Hopefully you'll realise that !

[JimBHibees]

It’s just as plausible that both managers are ultimately pish and the players have seen through that. And until today I wouldn’t say the players had downed tools. Nor did they down tools under Johnson. What they did do was put in wildly inconsistent performances.

If his inability to sound convincing in interviews is matched by his coaching it’s little wonder the players aren’t convinced by him. Nothing he says inspires me.

The players were an absolute disgrace today never seen anything like it. All should be ashamed of themselves. Genuinely sick of them

[Real Emerald]

The players were an absolute disgrace today never seen anything like it. All should be ashamed of themselves. Genuinely sick of them

So I presume you’re still backing the manager? I agree with your assessment of the players today but I also get the impression everyone has chucked it. There is no way back for Montgomery now though.

[truehibernian]

The club statement basically gave the players the power…. Lose 2 or 3 games and it’s pretty clear the manager will get the bullet.

Media interviews can defo be given too much prominence. But you listen to Monty and it’s no surprise surely that he’s been unsuccessful and the players don’t seem invested in keeping him around. He’s out his depth

He wasn’t happy that the statement went out, but went public saying he was aware and agreed to it. Today he let his guard slip saying the statement hasn’t helped. Trust me he’s off in summer.

[The Tubs]

The club statement basically gave the players the power…. Lose 2 or 3 games and it’s pretty clear the manager will get the bullet.

Media interviews can defo be given too much prominence. But you listen to Monty and it’s no surprise surely that he’s been unsuccessful and the players don’t seem invested in keeping him around. He’s out his depth

While it put Monty into an even tricker position, it also exposed the players’ characters much more than if Gray had come in and got a reaction from them.

[Smartie]

I thought he should have changed something. We were talking about it before the game and going with the same team on the back of last weeks performance was just wrong. There players need to think/know there is some kind of consequence to being crap and not, IMO, putting in the required level of effort.

Look, it might not have mad a bit of difference but I’d have played Johnson in goals. Wollacott was dreadful last week and I don’t see any way he becomes our number one. I wouldn’t have played Rocky. I know Triantis isn’t really any better but, again, Rocky gets away with continual errors. I’d have made a change, or changes in the middle of the park. What we saw today was just a continuation of what we saw for 90 minutes last week.

I know our options are limited, at best, but just doing the same thing was stupidity for me.

I get what you're saying but for me, the alternatives were worse.

And worse just to be different isn't really a solution.

My issues are never really with his selections which (since the 442 was ditched) largely make sense. I don't love his subs but I also really don't like the way the players play. No idea what it is, it's just the lethargic lack of pace, intensity and initiative that we seem to have for such long periods and it needs to be laid at his door.

We just seem to have so many players that you'd expect to be able to do so much better than they are doing.

[Is It On....]

Ultimately Johnson was a ****.

The squad is better than it’s shown on a consistent basis. Is that down to the players ? Is it down to coaching, formation/tactics, crazy substitutes ? Probably a bit of both, but our results against the team who strolled 4th would suggest there wasn’t much if any of a difference in quality. I fully believe a better manager would have got more out of them.

I agree with you 100%. We have had two poor managers in a row and I fully believe a decent manager would be getting more out of this squad than scrapping for 8th or 9th place. It's hard to believe this is the same squad that had us within 20 seconds from the jubilation of getting into 6th.

[hfc-1875]

Get him so far to ****.. he just doesn’t get it! That’s 3 ****ing clowns Ina row we’ve had now got to get the next one right

[HendoDelivered]

Ex Player Liaison, Tracey Smith gets it spot on with her tweet: What does our club even stand for anymore? Who is leading this shambles because I don’t see anyone (like Ron did) coming out and speaking to the support when things are bad. Statements don’t cut it! Everyone’s hiding! Players actually look mentally broken.

[Pickle]

When was the last time a manager/CEO resigned because their position was unetenable. Not these guys willing to fall on their sword for abject failure. Wanting their golden goodbye ahead of realisation they have failed

[Bobby's Cinema]

I stopped the Hibs TV interview after the first 30 seconds.

Nick saying the first goal is not something you can fix in training.

How about the attitude to work and put pressure on the ball around your box and not let the shot away.

How about a defensive line that isn't terrified of any square balls, anything drilled, anything floated into the box.

That's extremely worrying if that's being put down to something you can't legislate for.

Still talking about conceding with only shots on target.

Also worrying if his take away from that 90 minutes is 'dominating' for 30minutes but not scoring while on top.

Look at the overall performance Nick FFS. Nowhere near the standard required.

[Carheenlea]

When was the last time a manager/CEO resigned because their position was unetenable. Not these guys willing to fall on their sword for abject failure. Wanting their golden goodbye ahead of realisation they have failed

Pat Fenlon

[percy veer]

Get McCinnes in now, need a few seasons of proper grafters in the team , players who know the game dark arts time-wasting etc become obsolute horrible to play against, woukd quite enjoy that

[Smartie]

I stopped the Hibs TV interview after the first 30 seconds.

Nick saying the first goal is not something you can fix in training.

How about the attitude to work and put pressure on the ball around your box and not let the shot away.

How about a defensive line that isn't terrified of any square balls, anything drilled, anything floated into the box.

That's extremely worrying if that's being put down to something you can't legislate for.

Still talking about conceding with only shots on target.

Also worrying if his take away from that 90 minutes is 'dominating' for 30minutes but not scoring while on top.

Look at the overall performance Nick FFS. Nowhere near the standard required.

That's probably a fair point if we're talking about the first goal last week.

Not this week.

[I'm Spartacus]

His post-match interview, when i watched the Piers Morgan Baby Reindeer interview, I think I believed the pish she was coming out with more than Monty's.

[Winston Ingram]

Let him get his own players in at least eh.

All these negative posters, who correctly predicted NM as being a flop by the way, are really getting on my nerves

Honestly this sort of statement is so laughable it’s embarrassing. What exactly is ‘his own players’. We gave this divot 7 in January. How many are we supposed to give him?

How has this become a thing that when you employ a manager that he cannot be judged until the entire squad has been replaced?

[GreenCastle]

Honestly this sort of statement is so laughable it’s embarrassing. What exactly is ‘his own players’. We gave this divot 7 in January. How many are we supposed to give him?

How has this become a thing that when you employ a manager that he cannot be judged until the entire squad has been replaced?

100%.

It’s all about trust and wouldn’t trust him to improve us or bring in what we need.

He’s had plenty players in January and we seem to be doing worse.

Letting him get anywhere near any new players means any next manager has to fix his mess.

At least a new manager in summer can start fresh will a full window.

[Box 17]

Can only imagine he's been told he's got until the end of the season when the situation will be reviewed, and Hibs will honour this.

Suspect though that the die is cast and he'll be out next week, irrespective of the next two results.

[thebausburst]

Graham Spiers tweeting Monty is ‘doomed’ and quoting “Ben Kensell and Kit Gordon - were in deep conversations in the directors box after full-time” 🤞

[Stuart93]

Honestly this sort of statement is so laughable it’s embarrassing. What exactly is ‘his own players’. We gave this divot 7 in January. How many are we supposed to give him?

How has this become a thing that when you employ a manager that he cannot be judged until the entire squad has been replaced?

Apologies, that was sarcasm.

That’s all us naesayers who seen where things were heading have been told for months.

[matty_f]

Honestly this sort of statement is so laughable it’s embarrassing. What exactly is ‘his own players’. We gave this divot 7 in January. How many are we supposed to give him?

How has this become a thing that when you employ a manager that he cannot be judged until the entire squad has been replaced?

Don Cowie beat us without getting any of his own players in.
Whoever was in the Aberdeen dug out today did it with a squad that's been worse than us all season without getting his own players in.

The team has got demonstrably worse since those signings, not better.

[mcohibs]

I think he’ll be gone tomorrow. Certainly before we kick off on Wednesday

[Jim44]

I stopped the Hibs TV interview after the first 30 seconds.

Nick saying the first goal is not something you can fix in training.

How about the attitude to work and put pressure on the ball around your box and not let the shot away.

How about a defensive line that isn't terrified of any square balls, anything drilled, anything floated into the box.

That's extremely worrying if that's being put down to something you can't legislate for.

Still talking about conceding with only shots on target.

Also worrying if his take away from that 90 minutes is 'dominating' for 30minutes but not scoring while on top.

Look at the overall performance Nick FFS. Nowhere near the standard required.

He should be sacked on the spot for saying something so stupid.

[Cod Boy]

I think he’ll be gone tomorrow. Certainly before we kick off on Wednesday

He will

[JimBHibees]

So I presume you’re still backing the manager? I agree with your assessment of the players today but I also get the impression everyone has chucked it. There is no way back for Montgomery now though.

No think his position is untenable but genuinely if given the choice would see the players far enough

[TrinityHibby]

There's no excuse for a performance like that. We get worse week to week, not better. One embarrassment after another. It shouldn't even be a debate - he's nowhere near getting it right at Hibs. Time for a fresh start and let's start the new season with some optimism.

Matty the writing has been on the wall for months and the downward spiral is absolutely frightening. Thankfully the season is officially done next weekend. If we continued for another month Hibs would have been in genuine danger of relegation.

[Iain G]

There is surely enough evidence to say our last bunch of coaches have been failed by the players? At least Monty is happy to cut through the staffing issues and start the clear out of the wrong header and lazy players

[flash]

I have tried to apply context at every turn but that's impossible today.

He has to.go and it has to happen now.

[Nicho87]

shanley interview on sky was the highlight of the day. Pressing Monty at the end, Monty totally flapping that he was somehow being questioned and seeing through the waffle now

Get him so far removed from the club

He is deluded

Right trajectory is he having a ******g laugh

[Real Emerald]

No think his position is untenable but genuinely if given the choice would see the players far enough

He’a obviously not the man to do it but agree that a clean out of players is a must. How practical that is remains to be seen. We can only hope it works out.

[Iain G]

I do think he will have a good career as a manager, but maybe we were the wrong move at the wrong time and in such a ****ty league.

[Stuart93]

There is surely enough evidence to say our last bunch of coaches have been failed by the players? At least Monty is happy to cut through the staffing issues and start the clear out of the wrong header and lazy players

That is true. But he’s also not a good enough manager to ensure success from “his own” group of players.

[GreenCastle]

Don Cowie beat us without getting any of his own players in.
Whoever was in the Aberdeen dug out today did it with a squad that's been worse than us all season without getting his own players in.

The team has got demonstrably worse since those signings, not better.

Don Cowie has managed 9 games and beat us.

Peter Leven isn’t even a proper manager but gave us one of our worst home defeats all season.

Monty could only dream of going away to Aberdeen and winning 4-0 with a player who just turned 16 scoring a goal.

[Real Emerald]

I do think he will have a good career as a manager, but maybe we were the wrong move at the wrong time and in such a ****ty league.

I honestly can’t see him ever making it as a top class manager, he doesn’t appear to have the right attributes. I hope he has success somewhere away from Hibs though.

[GreenCastle]

I honestly can’t see him ever making it as a top class manager, he doesn’t appear to have the right attributes. I hope he has success somewhere away from Hibs though.

He was planning to use Hibs as a stepping stone for a job down in England (ex Sheffield player - 349 games for them)

Now I’m not sure…saying that Maloney got the Wigan job.

[H18 SFR]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13134727/nick-montgomery-hibs-boss-on-club-needing-stability-patience-and-time

Surely not many on here can watch that and be convinced he’s the man to make us successful?

[Real Emerald]

He was planning to use Hibs as a stepping stone for a job down in England (ex Sheffield player - 349 games for them)

Now I’m not sure…saying that Maloney got the Wigan job.

I have no idea how our club could have interviewed him and thought he was better than anything else available. He just comes across as dull and uninspiring, we brought him over from Australia, it actually beggars belief.

[hibsitis]

bring in neil lennon ffs.
:thumbsup:
ltyf

[eastmainsmsh]

Should never have been appointed in first place went Angeball route yet another uninspiring choice Kensell and Co wish they would go as well

[One Day Soon]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13134727/nick-montgomery-hibs-boss-on-club-needing-stability-patience-and-time

Surely not many on here can watch that and be convinced he’s the man to make us successful?

In some respects that’s the best interview I’ve seen him give, if only because there was less of the word salad cobblers. It appeared more stripped down and honest. He still had no answers, sounded unconvincing and looked lost. He needs to go.

[LaMotta]

I do think he will have a good career as a manager, but maybe we were the wrong move at the wrong time and in such a ****ty league.

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has any qualities that will see him have a good career as a manager. He's been an absolute disaster on all fronts.

Tactics - fail
Getting the best out of players - fail
Substitutions - huge fail
in game management - huge fail
Communicating well in interviews - fail
Calling out bad decisions to put pressure on refs - fail

He tried to rely on 17 year olds to see out games during must win games earlier in the season that saw us surrender leads. Now we have dead rubbers there is no young players to be seen, instead he is relying on old guys that he's already told can leave the club. I've never seen worse judgement from a manager at almost every step. It's been absolutely tragic.

[B.H.F.C]

I have no idea how our club could have interviewed him and thought he was better than anything else available. He just comes across as dull and uninspiring, we brought him over from Australia, it actually beggars belief.

To be fair, what we’ve ended up with is nowhere near what I thought we were getting. Obviously folk will say whatever about the standard he’d managed at, but there was loads of good things kicking around about him. And then I remember sitting watching his first press conference thinking that it was really good, it was so free of bull****. 8 or 9 months later, it’s fair to say that when he talks publicly, it’s not free of bull****.

[snedzuk]

Don Cowie beat us without getting any of his own players in.
Whoever was in the Aberdeen dug out today did it with a squad that's been worse than us all season without getting his own players in.

The team has got demonstrably worse since those signings, not better.

The different dynamic between Leven and his players and Monty and his was pretty stark.

[Jim44]

I do think he will have a good career as a manager, but maybe we were the wrong move at the wrong time and in such a ****ty league.

He left a ****ier league than ours.

[Cod Boy]

Graham Spiers tweeting Monty is ‘doomed’ and quoting “Ben Kensell and Kit Gordon - were in deep conversations in the directors box after full-time” 🤞

Probably discussing what fancy restaurant and drinks for them tonight with the other board members

[Greensunshine]

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has any qualities that will see him have a good career as a manager. He's been an absolute disaster on all fronts.

Tactics - fail
Getting the best out of players - fail
Substitutions - huge fail
in game management - huge fail
Communicating well in interviews - fail
Calling out bad decisions to put pressure on refs - fail

He tried to rely on 17 year olds to see out games during must win games earlier in the season that saw us surrender leads. Now we have dead rubbers there is no young players to be seen, instead he is relying on old guys that he's already told can leave the club. I've never seen worse judgement from a manager at almost every step. It's been absolutely tragic.

Good post and I agree with everything you’ve said. He needs to go now!

[eastmainsmsh]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

[SteveHFC]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

Hopefully the start of many departures.

[Basildon Hibs]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

Source??

[Stokesy's on fire]

Source??

Has to be a guess.

The club should have confirmed his sacking at FT yesterday..losing to teams like Ross county and Aberdeen just isnt good enough.

[Since452]

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has any qualities that will see him have a good career as a manager. He's been an absolute disaster on all fronts.

Tactics - fail
Getting the best out of players - fail
Substitutions - huge fail
in game management - huge fail
Communicating well in interviews - fail
Calling out bad decisions to put pressure on refs - fail

He tried to rely on 17 year olds to see out games during must win games earlier in the season that saw us surrender leads. Now we have dead rubbers there is no young players to be seen, instead he is relying on old guys that he's already told can leave the club. I've never seen worse judgement from a manager at almost every step. It's been absolutely tragic.

Bang on. What happened to these youngsters Montgomery was shoehorning into the team? Injured? Nowhere to be seen.

[JimBHibees]

Ex Player Liaison, Tracey Smith gets it spot on with her tweet: What does our club even stand for anymore? Who is leading this shambles because I don’t see anyone (like Ron did) coming out and speaking to the support when things are bad. Statements don’t cut it! Everyone’s hiding! Players actually look mentally broken.

Think that is a good tweet as there appears to be a complete lack of leadership off the pitch. As she says Ron put out interviews when we were struggling. The board message kind of sums it up.

[Johnny_Leith]

Don Cowie beat us without getting any of his own players in.
Whoever was in the Aberdeen dug out today did it with a squad that's been worse than us all season without getting his own players in.

The team has got demonstrably worse since those signings, not better.

I banged this drum for ages around the start of Montgomery's reign.

He's came in and expected to be able to build and entire squad. From his interviews across the season when we've dropped points I think he's been told just try and get us top 6 this season but there'll be loads of change in the summer and he's been happy to accept that, probably sees the fans reaction to the subject failure on the park as over the top.

He's full of excuses, needs his own players, 20 seconds away from our goal this season, players away on international duty, players injured, blah blah blah, nothing is ever Nick Montgomerys fault.

He's been a terrible appointment, the senior members at the club need to shape up or ship out pronto, we've wasted so much time and money over the last few years with a stupid transfer strategy of giving unproven players long deals on great money and hiring substandard managers to pull together some 'we're-too-smart-for-scottish-football' vanity project. The Gordon's seems nice people, but they know **** all about running a club.

[BILLYHIBS]

Gone tomorrow seemingly
Had to be the end when he started blaming the fans and our beautiful Stadium

Never a good look

Does he mean us ?

Maybe the Board have finally given him enough rope to hang himself ?

[Nicho87]

No personality no character

Which now shows itself on the pitch

He has took us backwards massively

The board would get a small portion and I mean small credit sacking him now rather than wait.

He is out his depth.

[04Sauzee]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

Heard where?

[Since452]

Aberdeen sacked their manager immediately after a pumping away to Hibs and their chairman came out and did the interviews. After a pumping at home to Aberdeen our manager is standing Infront of the camera waffling about things he can't change on the training ground and blaming the fans for making it difficult. Honest to **** what has happened to this club?

[Percy Vere]

Aberdeen sacked their manager immediately after a pumping away to Hibs and their chairman came out and did the interviews. After a pumping at home to Aberdeen our manager is standing Infront of the camera waffling about things he can't change on the training ground and blaming the fans for making it difficult. Honest to **** what has happened to this club?

I tend to favour trying to stick with a manager.
He's still got the same squad that's been sub standard all season.
But do I think he's the manager to turn this around, I'm afraid I no longer do.
even I'm thinking this just isn't the right appointment.
interviews are pathetic, no charisma, can't even interject a bit of humour or a smile.
I don't like booing my team, I'd never do it, but there was a real lack of effort and basic professionalism from the team and that has to come from somewhere.
Players lost faith too I think.
sorry Monty just not good enough.

[Squealing pig]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

Please be true

[The Modfather]

Bang on. What happened to these youngsters Montgomery was shoehorning into the team? Injured? Nowhere to be seen.

Are you back to the “shoehorning” hyperbole again? Of all the valid free hits available to criticise Montgommery why are you back to the “shoehorn” line?

What do you mean by shoehorning? Who specifically was shoehorned?

[I'm Spartacus]

Gone tomorrow seemingly

Imagine you are being pulled into an office by Ben K and he's telling you you are incompetent, utterly ***** and being sacked.................. I hope they both laugh at the ironary of that conversation, then recreate the Spiderman meme when they point at each other.

[Walter]

Has he gone yet?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Imagine you are being pulled into an office by Ben K and he's telling you you are incompetent, utterly ***** and being sacked.................. I hope they both laugh at the ironary of that conversation, then recreate the Spiderman meme when they point at each other.

:greengrin

[Onion]

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has any qualities that will see him have a good career as a manager. He's been an absolute disaster on all fronts.

Tactics - fail
Getting the best out of players - fail
Substitutions - huge fail
in game management - huge fail
Communicating well in interviews - fail
Calling out bad decisions to put pressure on refs - fail

He tried to rely on 17 year olds to see out games during must win games earlier in the season that saw us surrender leads. Now we have dead rubbers there is no young players to be seen, instead he is relying on old guys that he's already told can leave the club. I've never seen worse judgement from a manager at almost every step. It's been absolutely tragic.

Sadly, a fair reflection of the season under Montgomery. No one wants another manager sacked, but just because we've sacked a bunch of others recently is never a reason for keeping a failure. That would be crazy. He has to go, but the "review" needs to dig deep into the systemic failures within the club, especially the horrendous recruitment of players and managers over the last 3 years. I cannot see Foley accepting his £Millions being squandered by Hibs incompetence.

[ozwoody]

The one thing you are looking for in a new manager is progress, whether that be fitter players, better tactics , better game management etc.
Now this takes days to weeks but it should be visible.
If NM team was showing this progress, even slightly, on a week by week basis, then he probably would deserve more time, but he hasn't.
The team is so pedestrian, tactics were rigid till he had to change them, and game management was non existent.
This falls on BK too. He has employed 3 failures back to back, so he has to carry can on this.

I see that the CEO of Neil Warnocks new club has come out and said " we are businessmen, not football men, so we have to surround ourselves with people who know the game"

If only our bosses felt the same as a boss of a 5th tier English football team.

[Onion]

Time for Hibs to bite the bullet, accept they ****ed it up the last time, and do all they can to get McInnes - even if it costs us £££. Even if there's a bidding war for him. Even if he demands £ Millions in playing budget. Even if he makes our soft Board's life difficult. Everything on the park flows from the Manager. They need to get this decision right. No more cheap or interesting experiments.

[easty]

Time for Hibs to bite the bullet, accept they ****ed it up the last time, and do all they can to get McInnes - even if it costs us £££. Even if there's a bidding war for him. Even if he demands £ Millions in playing budget. Even if he makes our soft Board's life difficult. Everything on the park flows from the Manager. They need to get this decision right. No more cheap or interesting experiments.

McInnes has been my choice the last 3 or 4 times we've gone for a manager, and I reckon we'd have got him all those times. I'm not sure we'd get him right now though. Maybe if he knows Killie are going to be selling off their good players we'll be able to tempt him here, but I reckon he'll be happy enough to stick around there with the European football for now.

[James70]

NM didn't impress me at his first media interview after being appointed and he has never impressed me since then. Completely robotic and lacking passion.

[worcesterhibby]

I was definitely in the "we need to stop sacking managers" group. But I just can't see where the improvement is and I have lost all faith that Monty can turn things round. Needs to be sacked today.

[ozwoody]

NM bangs on about being 20 seconds away from the top 6, but what about the 30 odd games prior to that, or the 270 minutes since that?

I read somewhere we have lost 16 points from winning positions this season, that's poor management in itself, buy to bang on about 20 seconds when the rest of the season has been awful, shows how much he's trying to deflect from his woeful record

[LaMotta]

NM didn't impress me at his first media interview after being appointed and he has never impressed me since then. Completely robotic and lacking passion.

:agree:

I can almost understand how Lee Johnson managed to convince the Hibs hierarchy to appoint them with his confident waffle.

But I've genuinely no idea how Monty and also Maloney had interviews with us and anyone who heard those interviews genuinely thought with any conviction that these were the right men to lead Hibernian football club. It's absolutely astounding.

[Heisenberg]

Still not gone so I’d assume he’s staying for the last two games.

[mcfly]

Poor choice of manager and we need better.

However there’s too many players at the club, nor enough quality, a defence thats never been addressed by the past 3-4 Managers.

The clubs rotten from the core and whilst mr kensall may be great at marketing the club and generating income through hospitality he is dreadful at appointing managers and the extra income is lost paying them off.
Club needs a proper director of football, who can liaises with the manager in all forms of recruitment

Club simply has to get the next appointment correct.

[Brightside]

I imagine he will go at end of season now. I really hope the technical director has already agreed the replacement and has made a hard start on the recruitment.

[J-C]

:agree:

I can almost understand how Lee Johnson managed to convince the Hibs hierarchy to appoint them with his confident waffle.

But I've genuinely no idea how Monty and also Maloney had interviews with us and anyone who heard those interviews genuinely thought with any conviction that these were the right men to lead Hibernian football club. It's absolutely astounding.

I think Montgomery was head hunted by McDermott.

[worcesterhibby]

I imagine he will go at end of season now. I really hope the technical director has already agreed the replacement and has made a hard start on the recruitment.

The one thing I'm praying for is that the Board have already decided to sack Monty, but don't want to announce that they are "scouring the globe for the best possible replacement" type bollocks that we have had in the past and instead are lining up his succesor, so they can be announced the day he is fired.

[BoomtownHibees]

I imagine he will go at end of season now. I really hope the technical director has already agreed the replacement and has made a hard start on the recruitment.

You were telling us he’s here until at least January

[HendoDelivered]

Still not gone so I’d assume he’s staying for the last two games.

Defo. Think anyone hoping he’s away before then will be disappointed.

FWIW my pals were in hospitality last night and spoke to someone high up in the club after the game (I wont say who) and they told him that NM was staying. But I guess they were always going to say that anyway, thought I’d share though, but it seemed pretty convincing the way I was told.

[B.H.F.C]

Still not gone so I’d assume he’s staying for the last two games.

The only reason he’s still here is the complete lack of leadership above him. The complete mess. Kensell seems to be in hiding. It seems to be an open secret that the DoF isn't doing the job / won’t be doing the job going forward but, again, we’re just left to guess on that. They’re just stumbling along without anyone taking responsibility, using this review as an excuse to not do anything about anything.

[Springbank]

NM bangs on about being 20 seconds away from the top 6, but what about the 30 odd games prior to that, or the 270 minutes since that?

I read somewhere we have lost 16 points from winning positions this season, that's poor management in itself, buy to bang on about 20 seconds when the rest of the season has been awful, shows how much he's trying to deflect from his woeful record

Here are 3 things about those "20 seconds"

1. We could have lost TWO goals in those 20 second

2. He chose to bring on Dylan Levitt, who cannot hold possession & cannot defend when out of possession

3. With 90sec to go in that game, with a strong Wind behind him, and with a free kick, Levitt failed to see the game out. He hit a flat, straight, Wind assisted ball to their keeper - the last thing you do!

Those 20 seconds are where you learn about people

[LaMotta]

I think Montgomery was head hunted by McDermott.

I think thats right. And what that points to then is Hibs having a (terrible) plan A but no plan B. There must have been warning signs during an interview process but through tunnel vision they have just been ignored.

Whilst I dont think Johnson was the right man for Hibs, I think he would have done a hell of a lot better than Monty has this season. I cant believe I'm saying this but it was a mistake to sack Johnson given we didnt have a better guy to replace him with.

[mcfly]

Other thing the club will be very wary of is the crowds.

Look at yesterdays? It was awful

If NM stays crowds will collapse as I believe fans are totally unimpressed.

He’s got nothing from these players he inherited. New managers at other clubs seem to do it… he’s failed…

[JohnM1875]

Other thing the club will be very wary of is the crowds.

Look at yesterdays? It was awful

If NM stays crowds will collapse as I believe fans are totally unimpressed.

He’s got nothing from these players he inherited. New managers at other clubs seem to do it… he’s failed…

Totally agree. I thought it’d be quiet yesterday but the place was dead then basically empty by 50 minutes.

Don’t blame the fans at all. I boosted as soon as the third went in and I’m seriously questioning going on Wednesday.

[Crutch]

NM didn't impress me at his first media interview after being appointed and he has never impressed me since then. Completely robotic and lacking passion.

Looks easy to say in hindsight but I know exactly what you mean. Was encouraged when we appointed him but his first interview felt awkward and nothing’s changed since. A guy that looks nervous infront of Luke Shanley seriously can’t have any command over a dressing room and to me it shows. He’s soft and it shows on the pitch. And that’s unacceptable.

[Brightside]

You were telling us he’s here until at least January

That's what he thought last week. But I imagine eventually the board will move away from that and go with fans opinion. Would take massive balls to carry on with the project as per plan.

[TrinityHFC]

That's what he thought last week. But I imagine eventually the board will move away from that and go with fans opinion. Would take massive balls to carry on with the project as per plan.

People have been pointing out consistently that it makes little odds what he thinks about his position. It isn’t his decision.

You post as if you are stating facts all the time that no one else knows, which is why you get picked up on those things.

[jeffers]

The only reason he’s still here is the complete lack of leadership above him. The complete mess. Kensell seems to be in hiding. It seems to be an open secret that the DoF isn't doing the job / won’t be doing the job going forward but, again, we’re just left to guess on that. They’re just stumbling along without anyone taking responsibility, using this review as an excuse to not do anything about anything.

The communication or lack of is a joke imo, but I don’t believe for a minute they are not doing anything. Probably for non footballing reasons as much as anything else they were hoping they could stick with him, but they absolutely were considering a plan B.

[easty]

That's what he thought last week. But I imagine eventually the board will move away from that and go with fans opinion. Would take massive balls to carry on with the project as per plan.

Would take massive balls = would be disastrous/stupid/stubborn

[jeffers]

People have been pointing out consistently that it makes little odds what he thinks about his position. It isn’t his decision.

You post as if you are stating facts all the time that no one else knows, which is why you get picked up on those things.

Tbf to Brightside that’s what he’d been told. I disagreed with him, but he wasn’t making things up. His “crime” was trusting what he’d heard.

[Real Emerald]

Tbf to Brightside that’s what he’d been told. I disagreed with him, but he wasn’t making things up. His “crime” was trusting what he’d heard.

The worrying thing is he still could be right, Monty is still here. 😬

[Heisenberg]

Would take massive balls = would be disastrous/stupid/stubborn

It would be almost as bad as if we’d let Butcher carry on the rebuild in the championship. We’re 9th in the league and not looking like improving, if the board keep him for the start of next season it’s going to be a car crash. Hes lost the entire fanbase ffs

[B.H.F.C]

The communication or lack of is a joke imo, but I don’t believe for a minute they are not doing anything. Probably for non footballing reasons as much as anything else they were hoping they could stick with him, but they absolutely were considering a plan B.

Common sense would tell me that they shouldn’t be sitting doing nothing, but I really have so little faith in them that I could see a position where very little is happening. I go back to the statement after Motherwell and I thought it was just kicking the can down the road. My worry is that they just continue to do that without anyone taking charge.

[One Day Soon]

The communication or lack of is a joke imo, but I don’t believe for a minute they are not doing anything. Probably for non footballing reasons as much as anything else they were hoping they could stick with him, but they absolutely were considering a plan B.

Kensell is apparently on £300,000 a year - that's a sum that no-one in their right mind would be paying him elsewhere and certainly not in Scotland outside the OF. He will be desperate for life to continue exactly as it is because, well, 300k is 300k right?

I'd guess there's probably a twin strategy at work here. Stay very chummy with Gordon because that relationship is what protects his position and do everything possible to avoid getting rid of Montgomery because a third terrible managerial appointment and sacking on his watch looks really bad on the CV should his easy number at Hibs come to an end.

So I ask myself, does everything that has been happening at Hibs over a protracted period of time look like the outcome of a mixture of a 'Yes boss' attitude and doing whatever it takes to keep blame away from him? My answer is yes, I think that's exactly what it looks like.

[One Day Soon]

It would be almost as bad as if we’d let Butcher carry on the rebuild in the championship. We’re 9th in the league and not looking like improving, if the board keep him for the start of next season it’s going to be a car crash. Hes lost the entire fanbase ffs


At this point if you have any authority at the club you either act in the interests of the club or act in your own interests...

[Fergos]

Looks easy to say in hindsight but I know exactly what you mean. Was encouraged when we appointed him but his first interview felt awkward and nothing’s changed since. A guy that looks nervous infront of Luke Shanley seriously can’t have any command over a dressing room and to me it shows. He’s soft and it shows on the pitch. And that’s unacceptable.

Totally. The team we have are a reflection of the manager, lose a goal then collapse. Not a leader amongst them and I include NM in that.

Dreadful.

[BILLYHIBS]

Fair play to Brightside sticking to his guns

I welcome all info on Hibs regardless if it is what I want to hear or not good or bad

Must be approaching the end game now

[GreenCastle]

The lack of leadership is staggering - it’s like several people at the club are scared to make a decision.

They are all on comfortable wages and seems no one wants to stand up and fix this mess.

The question right now shouldn’t be will Monty be sacked - the club would be absolutely crazy to keep him.

The question is when he will go - my guess is now after the last game but still not convinced they will act quickly and instead continue to waste time and days when we could be preparing for next season. This again comes down to leadership and someone actually having a clue what they are doing. Probably less compensation at the end of the season too.

[flash]

Kensell is apparently on £300,000 a year - that's a sum that no-one in their right mind would be paying him elsewhere and certainly not in Scotland outside the OF. He will be desperate for life to continue exactly as it is because, well, 300k is 300k right?

I'd guess there's probably a twin strategy at work here. Stay very chummy with Gordon because that relationship is what protects his position and do everything possible to avoid getting rid of Montgomery because a third terrible managerial appointment and sacking on his watch looks really bad on the CV should his easy number at Hibs come to an end.

So I ask myself, does everything that has been happening at Hibs over a protracted period of time look like the outcome of a mixture of a 'Yes boss' attitude and doing whatever it takes to keep blame away from him? My answer is yes, I think that's exactly what it looks like.

I think you are giving them far too much credit.

It's just an absolute shambles simple as that which nobody at the club seems remotely able to deal with.

We need a new manager and a fair few new players but first of all, in my opinion, we need someone with experience and balls to come in and take control of the football side of the business.

[hibeerealist]

I think you are giving them far too much credit.

It's just an absolute shambles simple as that which nobody at the club seems remotely able to deal with.

We need a new manager and a fair few new players but first of all, in my opinion, we need someone with experience and balls to come in and take control of the football side of the business.


Enter Bill Foley

[WhileTheChief..]

Can only imagine he's been told he's got until the end of the season when the situation will be reviewed, and Hibs will honour this.

Suspect though that the die is cast and he'll be out next week, irrespective of the next two results.

Yup. I can't see any circumstances in which he is kept on. It would be completely negligent of the board to continue backing him.

We're now at the stage where all he will do is cause more damage if he stays.

[JohnM1875]

Yup. I can't see any circumstances in which he is kept on. It would be completely negligent of the board to continue backing him.

We're now at the stage where all he will do is cause more damage if he stays.

It’s doing damage keeping him til the end of the season though. Hardly anyone there yesterday and if it wasn’t for Hanlon and Stevenson it would be even worse on Wednesday night.

Should have been punted as soon as we failed to make top six. Still think he’s getting the summer window and the thought of it is really putting me off.

[Heisenberg]

Yup. I can't see any circumstances in which he is kept on. It would be completely negligent of the board to continue backing him.

We're now at the stage where all he will do is cause more damage if he stays.

It makes little sense that he’s still got his job now which makes me think he’s staying for the summer and start of next season.

[mcohibs]

There’s no way that Kensell, Black Knight group can look at how many fans were left in the stadium with 10 minutes to go yesterday and not fear for season ticket sales next season.

For that reason, I think NM’s time with us is up. They’ll want to get fans back onside and enthused enough about next season to commit to a ST. I just don’t think that’s going to happen if he’s still in charge next season.

Those making the decisions at Hibs just now are not fit to run a successful football club on the park however and serious change is needed from top to bottom of this club. The biggest overhaul in the last 10 years. Certainly going to be an interesting summer.

[TrinityHFC]

It makes little sense that he’s still got his job now which makes me think he’s staying for the summer and start of next season.

I think it will be part of the changes we will hear about on how we will be structuring the club post BK investment and review. For me he shouid have been out the door weeks ago but I can imagine that they already have an idea of who will be taking the key roles and he will be here until the end of the season but no more.

[Since452]

There’s no way that Kensell, Black Knight group can look at how many fans were left in the stadium with 10 minutes to go yesterday and not fear for season ticket sales next season.

For that reason, I think NM’s time with us is up. They’ll want to get fans back onside and enthused enough about next season to commit to a ST. I just don’t think that’s going to happen if he’s still in charge next season.

Those making the decisions at Hibs just now are not fit to run a successful football club on the park however and serious change is needed from top to bottom of this club. The biggest overhaul in the last 10 years. Certainly going to be an interesting summer.

It was a pretty depressing sight. A throwback to some really bleak times. The vibrancy of post 2016 cup win has all but disappeared.

[One Day Soon]

It was a pretty depressing sight. A throwback to some really bleak times. The vibrancy of post 2016 cup win has all but disappeared.

That's long gone.

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s doing damage keeping him til the end of the season though. Hardly anyone there yesterday and if it wasn’t for Hanlon and Stevenson it would be even worse on Wednesday night.

Should have been punted as soon as we failed to make top six. Still think he’s getting the summer window and the thought of it is really putting me off.


It makes little sense that he’s still got his job now which makes me think he’s staying for the summer and start of next season.

You guys are giving me the fear.

There isn't a single reason to keep him.

Can the folk running our club really not see it? I mean really?

They must.

How can they not?

[Brightside]

People have been pointing out consistently that it makes little odds what he thinks about his position. It isn’t his decision.

You post as if you are stating facts all the time that no one else knows, which is why you get picked up on those things.

Pre the Aberdeen game the plan was to stick with Monty.

[Broxburn Greens]

How both Montgomery and Kensell are still in post this morning is beyond me.

Abject failure being tolerated.

Humiliated at home again and by one of the worst Aberdeen sides in living memory.

Left at 80 minutes yesterday, throughly depressed. My laddie suggested staying for the inevitable booing and yelling at Montgomery to which I responded “son, look around, there’s no one left to boo and shout. The fans have made their statement today by voting with their feet and leaving.”

The total stagnation and apathy surrounding the club is just awful now.

At least under Johnson we scored goals and sometimes chalked up good results, under Montgomery we’ve regressed which seemed unthinkable at the time of his appointment.

He will nit be sacked until after Livingston, a new manager will take at least three weeks to appoint by which time the Euros will be starting and no one interested in talking transfers.

A new manager will start the season desperately trying to off load players to free up wages for new signings. He'll end up having to patch up the squad with second choice players and we can look forward to another season of trying to ensure we finish top six whilst we watch our biggest rivals play group stage european football and likely cruise to third place once again.

Just utterly depressing stuff.


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[Alex Trager]

Pre the Aberdeen game the plan was to stick with Monty.

As if you need any further cause for concern that those in charge of this football club are out of their depth and lacking in know-how AND awareness, you then have this.

They genuinely were (are) sticking with this manager.

Despite the evidence that suggests he’s not good enough.
Despite the experience of last year and their shambolic decision to let LJ go when they did.
Despite the fact that a great deal of the fanbase are now baying for his blood.

It’s been done to death but they need punted as much as the manager.

[Aldo]

Pre the Aberdeen game the plan was to stick with Monty.

Minimum target should have been top 6. Didn’t make that change the goalposts? Looks like that’s not met so surely that’s it.

[TrinityHFC]

Pre the Aberdeen game the plan was to stick with Monty.

There you are stating something as if it is a fact again.

[Brightside]

There you are stating something as if it is a fact again.

Well according to club officials telling people at various sponsors and partners events last week that was the case. So I'm not stating anything as fact just passing on what was said at these events.

[bingo70]

Well according to club officials telling people at various sponsors and partners events last week that was the case. So I'm not stating anything as fact just passing on what was said at these events.

They couldn’t very well say anything different though could they?

Sounds like they said what they had to say, not necessarily what was actually happening.

[Steve-O]

How is it the likes of Cummings can speak about Monty like a miracle worker but he can’t get a tune out of this Hibs squad??

https://aleagues.com.au/news/maturing-cummings-leads-mariners-alm-gf-quest/

[Wheat Hound]

Ive renewed my ST and Hibs 1st memberships but have zero enthusiasm for attending games next season if NM is still there. The least inspiring Hibs manager in my 40+ years of watching Hibs.

[He's here!]

How is it the likes of Cummings can speak about Monty like a miracle worker but he can’t get a tune out of this Hibs squad??

https://aleagues.com.au/news/maturing-cummings-leads-mariners-alm-gf-quest/

I've thought about this as well. Cummings said Monty basically changed his life.

Can only assume the pressures of Aussie football just don't equate to trying to turn things around at ER. Maybe the backroom/boardroom structure there was also just all-round more conducive to harmony on the pitch?

[worcesterhibby]

How is it the likes of Cummings can speak about Monty like a miracle worker but he can’t get a tune out of this Hibs squad??

https://aleagues.com.au/news/maturing-cummings-leads-mariners-alm-gf-quest/

It is a weird one. To be fair Cummings is a nut-job !

[Since452]

I've thought about this as well. Cummings said Monty basically changed his life.

Can only assume the pressures of Aussie football just don't equate to trying to turn things around at ER. Maybe the backroom/boardroom structure there was also just all-round more conducive to harmony on the pitch?

Strange that he didn't want to stick around

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/calumw2003/status/1789942522950680923?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Made me laugh.


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[TrinityHFC]

Well according to club officials telling people at various sponsors and partners events last week that was the case. So I'm not stating anything as fact just passing on what was said at these events.

You post in a way that presents it as a fact.

It isn’t. It is your interpretation of a number of different informal conversations which will also have been interpreted in their own way by those there.

[jeffers]

https://x.com/calumw2003/status/1789942522950680923?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Made me laugh.


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:greengrin me too. Suppose you’ve got to laugh or else you’d cry.

[TrinityHFC]

I've thought about this as well. Cummings said Monty basically changed his life.

Can only assume the pressures of Aussie football just don't equate to trying to turn things around at ER. Maybe the backroom/boardroom structure there was also just all-round more conducive to harmony on the pitch?

Easier league played at a different level and intensity. In the scheme of things we are a pretty big club with big expectations. Things that work for plucky underdogs with less pressure don’t necessarily transfer.

[NGoloGrantie]

He’s not getting sacked unfortunately


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[Trinity Hibee]

He’s not getting sacked unfortunately


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It appears that way sadly. God help us

[Lago]

Think they're going to try and tough it out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s not getting sacked unfortunately


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I’ve little doubt he’ll be sacked.

No inside knowledge. Just can’t see any way anybody could justify keeping him. Reckon it will be done when the season is over.

[bingo70]

I think one of the problems we may be facing is the timing of sacking him and trying to get it to tie in with other announcements coming up.

Do we announce the departure of McDermott first of all or do we do it at the same time? Do we announce the new technical director now or wait until Montgomery is sacked? Do we have his replacement lined up in the background already? (That’s my suspicion), if so, who did that search it McDermott is away?

When the decision is made, and it surely will be, we will try to present it in a positive manner to make it look like we know what we’re doing.

If we just announce Monty is away today and then we announce McDermott is away tomorrow, it’ll look like a shamble and we won’t know who’s making what decisions.

[Chorley Hibee]

Think they're going to try and tough it out.

I dread to think just how toxic the atmosphere is going to get.

[LaMotta]

You guys are giving me the fear.

There isn't a single reason to keep him.

Can the folk running our club really not see it? I mean really?

They must.

How can they not?

This is my guess as to why we are where we are.

Hibs headhunted Monty. He would no doubt have pointed out that Hibs hadnt given the previous 2 managers much time in the job. As a result he likely sought assurances that he would be given time to get to the top of his "upward trajectory" graph. The board gave him their word on this, not expecting things to be as bad as they are - but are still reluctant to fire another manager so quickly despite the shambles we are all witnessing.

It's the only semi plausable reason I can think of as to why he is still here

[Trinity Hibee]

I think one of the problems we may be facing is the timing of sacking him and trying to get it to tie in with other announcements coming up.

Do we announce the departure of McDermott first of all or do we do it at the same time? Do we announce the new technical director now or wait until Montgomery is sacked? Do we have his replacement lined up in the background already? (That’s my suspicion), if so, who did that search it McDermott is away?

When the decision is made, and it surely will be, we will try to present it in a positive manner to make it look like we know what we’re doing.

If we just announce Monty is away today and then we announce McDermott is away tomorrow, it’ll look like a shamble and we won’t know who’s making what decisions.

Whilst I get what you are saying it’s already a shambles and there will never be a perfect set of circumstances for all of these various announcements.

[Trinity Hibee]

I dread to think just how toxic the atmosphere is going to get.

That’s it. Dragging this out is absolutely not helping anyone

[Tambo]

I hope enough people stay on Wednesday to say goodbye to Paul and Lewis, unfortunately another performance lile yesterdays and it will be empty again on which will probably be a low attendance anyway.

[Tyler Durden]

If we go one or two goals down on Wednesday, there will surely be "MONTY MONTY GTF" chants ringing out from the 5 or 6 thousand in attendance, won't there?

Surely has to be sacked before Wednesday, for his own good.

[SteveHFC]

I hope enough people stay on Wednesday to say goodbye to Paul and Lewis, unfortunately another performance lile yesterdays and it will be empty again on which will probably be a low attendance anyway.

Is it possible to enter the stadium 5 minutes before the end so we can still pay our respects to Paul and Lewis?

[He's here!]

Easier league played at a different level and intensity. In the scheme of things we are a pretty big club with big expectations. Things that work for plucky underdogs with less pressure don’t necessarily transfer.

Although as Cummings points out, he wasn't some young hopeful when he went to work with Monty. He was one of the more senior players, having played under a host of managers in Scotland and England, and including big clubs like Rangers, Nottingham Forest etc. He would have been a position to judge the quality of managers he was working with.

[Tambo]

Is it possible to enter the stadium 5 minutes before the end so we can still pay our respects to Paul and Lewis?

I'm not sure, very doubtful. When did we stop doing this anyway? My memories of my first few as a young boy was my old man taking me in near the end and always remember some guy climbed the floodlights on one occasion.

You could always hang about in the concourse for 85 minutes 😁

[Stuart93]

So some how hes still in a job

[SickBoy32]

Is it possible to enter the stadium 5 minutes before the end so we can still pay our respects to Paul and Lewis?

Tried this very thing yesterday (for the same reasons as you’ve outlined) just after 4pm, was told by a few stewards this wasn’t allowed as they shut the turnstiles after HT. Club policy seemingly.

This was despite the fact I had a valid ST, pretty mental i think - what if someone had been held up at work?! (I’d been held up in the pub)

[blackpoolhibs]

I do think he will have a good career as a manager, but maybe we were the wrong move at the wrong time and in such a ****ty league.

At a McDonalds or a KFC?

[Real Emerald]

At a McDonalds or a KFC?

Imagine him selling happy meals? 😂😂😂

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

At a McDonalds or a KFC?

Cannae see Killie getting rid of their manager just now. 🤭

[One Day Soon]

I dread to think just how toxic the atmosphere is going to get.


Full Spinal Tap I should think, all the way up to eleven.

I don't think any of the people in charge now have ever seen a properly ugly, angry Hibs support. That will be a bit of a wakener for them.

[Winston Ingram]

How is it the likes of Cummings can speak about Monty like a miracle worker but he can’t get a tune out of this Hibs squad??

https://aleagues.com.au/news/maturing-cummings-leads-mariners-alm-gf-quest/

Cos the A-League is pish.

[blackpoolhibs]

27862
That picture alone should tell you his time is over at Hibs.

[snedzuk]

I dread to think just how toxic the atmosphere is going to get.

Our major problem is now apathy not toxicity. Not enough supporters in the ground for a toxic atmosphere to be manifested in front of the board.

Edit - see BH post above.

[04Sauzee]

If he was taking training today he's more than likely in charge for Wednesday.

[mcohibs]

I do think folk that are still on the fence about NM and whether he needs emptied are only that way inclined because of the absolute lack of faith in the board to make the next appointment. And I include the actual board in that. They’ve no confidence in their own ability to get it right.

In any other circumstance, he’d have been offski months ago. I suspect we may have to wait until after this review has been concluded, whereby Kensell can spare his blushes of two sacked appointments in one season and hide behind it being a Black Knight decision to empty NM.

[Stuart93]

27862
That picture alone should tell you his time is over at Hibs.

Incredible the board can see that and he still remains

[Allant1981]

Still can't see them sacking him, if they were going to do it then it would have happened I think

[scuttle]

Imagine him selling happy meals? 😂😂😂

That made me laugh out loud,brilliant

[blackpoolhibs]

Imagine him selling happy meals? 😂😂😂

:greengrin

He'd be decent at selling a fillet of pish.

[mcfly]

That picture sums up the season.

Fans have had enough.

[Since452]

27862
That picture alone should tell you his time is over at Hibs.

Says it all. Just finished work and I'm stunned to find out he's not been sacked. Incredible.

[joe breezy]

Still can't see them sacking him, if they were going to do it then it would have happened I think

Yeah I am worried about this seriously thinking of cancelling the ST - have paid one instalment but £800 x 2 to watch that [emoji2357]


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[B.H.F.C]

Still can't see them sacking him, if they were going to do it then it would have happened I think

I think it’s been clear over the last few weeks that he’d see the season out. But then I thought they’d just get it over and done with on the back of yesterday. As soon as they put out his after match interview on Hibs TV it was clear it wasn’t happening, the go silent in the lead up to a sacking usually.

It’s serving no purpose keeping him in post a moment longer. All it’s doing is turning more and more folk away. My only thought is that they simply aren’t making any major decisions on things until the appropriate new folk are in post above.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I'd have a lot more respect for the manager of he came out and spoke openly about the state of the club and the losers we have lining up most

Mathematically we're safe. Get the players you want rid off sitting in the stand and play the young team if necessary. Give us SOMETHING to believe in monty ffs it's just all a bit meh

[heretoday]

Bring back Maloney! He never had a chance.

[ElginHibee]

I'd have a lot more respect for the manager of he came out and spoke openly about the state of the club and the losers we have lining up most

Mathematically we're safe. Get the players you want rid off sitting in the stand and play the young team if necessary. Give us SOMETHING to believe in monty ffs it's just all a bit meh

This. I understand protecting the players but at a certain point he needed to show how angry he was with them. The complete non-answer to the journo asking if the players had checked out is brutal, I'd expect any manager to respond along the lines of "If any have, they have no place in my team". Doesn't speak to much character from the manager either.

[B.H.F.C]

I'd have a lot more respect for the manager of he came out and spoke openly about the state of the club and the losers we have lining up most

Mathematically we're safe. Get the players you want rid off sitting in the stand and play the young team if necessary. Give us SOMETHING to believe in monty ffs it's just all a bit meh

Agree with this. Generally you don’t want a manager slaughtering players, but he was entitled to yesterday. He was asked about the players being on holiday already and slavered some nonsense about not being able to answer that because it’s a personal thing. Just call it out for what it is. The players aren’t bothered about doing him any favours after all.

[Since452]

I wonder what Ross and Johnson make of this? Maloney too. What did he get? 19 games or something? What depths do we need to sink to before he gets sacked? He seems unsackable.

[H18 SFR]

Horrible position to be in as a fan. Can understand the argument of us needing to lose to Motherwell and Livi to hopefully see him off.

The thought of us having to take a hit by not getting out the league cup group to see him off is a worry.

[we are hibs]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/13/preview--motherwell--h-/



This is on the club website


"Nick Montgomery’s side are looking to bounce back after two disappointing results against Ross County, and most recently, Aberdeen."



So looks like he's getting the next two games as a minimum then

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[eastterrace]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/13/preview--motherwell--h-/



This is on the club website


"Nick Montgomery’s side are looking to bounce back after two disappointing results against Ross County, and most recently, Aberdeen."



So looks like he's getting the next two games as a minimum then

Sent from my SM-A405FN using Tapatalk it’s just like nothing has happened so buy your tickets for the Motherwell game. I’m getting really pissed off with hibs and the way they treat us fans.

[Real Emerald]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/13/preview--motherwell--h-/



This is on the club website


"Nick Montgomery’s side are looking to bounce back after two disappointing results against Ross County, and most recently, Aberdeen."



So looks like he's getting the next two games as a minimum then

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It’s an absolute disgrace, they surely have to realise that he’s done. The implications of him being kept on until next season are disastrous. The board have also got to remember the fans will be here long after NM is gone and they’re treating us with contempt. What are they expecting to come out of their stance?

[Keith_M]

"I believe this club is on the right trajectory"
-- Nick Montgomery

[H18 SFR]

"I believe this club is on the right trajectory"
-- Nick Montgomery

The problems we have can’t be fixed on the training ground…

[heid the baw]

"Nick Montgomery’s side are looking to bounce back after two disappointing results against Ross County, and most recently, Aberdeen."



So looks like he's getting the next two games as a minimum then

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He's getting the next few games but that's pretty much it I reckon. I don't think he'll impress whoever is doing the review as much as he impressed the interview panel

No hiding the fact that he's out of his depth tactically and struggles to work out what it takes to win points in this league
Killie are in Europe with 2 games to spare with a cheaper smaller squad.

He's not going to get next season. The fans want him out because the football is terrible and it is borderline relegation stuff.

[Jones28]

"I believe this club is on the right trajectory"
-- Nick Montgomery

To quote Gene Hunt from Life on Mars

“I’ll ask again, only slightly louder, HOW?!”

[Bobby's Cinema]

it’s just like nothing has happened so buy your tickets for the Motherwell game. I’m getting really pissed off with hibs and the way they treat us fans.
I wonder how many of the 2 games for £40ers stayed until the end on Sunday

[Mikey_1875]

The window for sacking him after yesterday looks to have passed. Unbelievable really.

Leaves us in last chance saloon to get rid of him after the Livi game. Personally I can’t see any benefit of them keeping him if the decision has already been made to sack him which suggests to me it is still up in the air or they are committed to doubling down on him. They should prepare for an almighty backlash if they are doubling down and it goes predictably belly up again next year.

Even after Dingwall, although I didn’t agree I thought the support may have had one last rally in it for him if he was kept on next season. After that yesterday in front of a home crowd, no chance.

[Bobby's Cinema]

"I believe this club is on the right trajectory"
-- Nick Montgomery
Arguably a more ridiculous quote than sharks going around biting things being aggressive

[Lago]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/13/preview--motherwell--h-/



This is on the club website


"Nick Montgomery’s side are looking to bounce back after two disappointing results against Ross County, and most recently, Aberdeen."



So looks like he's getting the next two games as a minimum then

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I'm beginning to think it will be more than that, just a feeling in my water.

[The Modfather]

I wonder what Ross and Johnson make of this? Maloney too. What did he get? 19 games or something? What depths do we need to sink to before he gets sacked? He seems unsackable.

Johnson is probably feeling guilty having spent a million in fees alone on Vente & Levitt in the summer, “good luck Nick”.

[Chorley Hibee]

it’s just like nothing has happened so buy your tickets for the Motherwell game. I’m getting really pissed off with hibs and the way they treat us fans.

They're taking the piss now.

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm beginning to think it will be more than that, just a feeling in my water.

Yes, I'm increasingly worried that the absolute clowns running the club (I use the term running the club with tongue firmly in cheek) honestly believe they can ride this storm out.

We can start writing off next season too.

[Broken Gnome]

If he had ANYTHING going for his side, I'd be even slightly open to the idea of letting it play out longer.

He doesn't though. We don't improve game on game, we need a very specific set of circumstances to look even remotely impressive - an opposition that gives us the same time we give other teams on the ball, and we MUST score first.

The type of guy and coach he seems to be, I'd have thought at the very least we'd have proper signs of organisation now, with a good shape, some hint of this pressing game and increasingly a balance to the side. We have none of that, and that's the biggest indictment of his time here - I'd wager we're the worst side in the league out of possession, the very thing you'd imagine young and modern coaches would be obsessed with perfecting.

No positives whatsoever.

[Col2]

I will literally be demanding a season ticket refund for my son and I if they think they are going into next season with the same manager.

Will find something else to do on a Saturday as already my son is losing interest and I don’t blame him.

We need a transformation not a hope for the best approach.

[The Tubs]

Agree with this. Generally you don’t want a manager slaughtering players, but he was entitled to yesterday. He was asked about the players being on holiday already and slavered some nonsense about not being able to answer that because it’s a personal thing. Just call it out for what it is. The players aren’t bothered about doing him any favours after all.

Would I be wrong if I said a lot of this holiday stuff was bollocks?

If you watch Rocky trying to defend the fourth goal, you'd say he couldn't care, but when I see his interview you can tell he's genuinely cut-up and not acting.

It may be true for a couple of players, but I'd say it's more down to having coaching staff that doesn't know how to psychologically prepare the players, many players being too immature to do it themselves and finally not having proper leadership on the pitch.

[B.H.F.C]

Would I be wrong if I said a lot of this holiday stuff was bollocks?

If you watch Rocky trying to defend the fourth goal, you'd say he couldn't care, but when I see his interview you can tell he's genuinely cut-up and not acting.

It may be true for a couple of players, but I'd say it's more down to having coaching staff that doesn't know how to psychologically prepare the players, many players being too immature to do it themselves and finally not having proper leadership on the pitch.

It’s probably a mixture of everything you mention in there. But I saw a team not prepared to run once the going got tough yesterday. That’s the absolute minimum you need to be prepared to do. Suppose you can use different terminology or whatever but it all adds up to the same thing for me. The players not trying for the majority of that game.

[matty_f]

It’s probably a mixture of everything you mention in there. But I saw a team not prepared to run once the going got tough yesterday. That’s the absolute minimum you need to be prepared to do. Suppose you can use different terminology or whatever but it all adds up to the same thing for me. The players not trying for the majority of that game.

I thought his answer to that was awful - he could easily have said that if players thought it was acceptable to be on holiday then they'll be told in no uncertain terms that there are two games to go and they're expected to give 100%, and anyone that gives the impression that they're on their holidays already won't be at the club any longer than is absolutely necessary.


Set the standard, don't shrug your shoulders and say you'd need to ask the players and accept it.

[Steve-O]

Strange that he didn't want to stick around

Not that strange given he was offered a huge wage increase, had achieved going to the World Cup and Monty was also leaving.

[raeburnhibs]

Yes, I'm increasingly worried that the absolute clowns running the club (I use the term running the club with tongue firmly in cheek) honestly believe they can ride this storm out.

We can start writing off next season too.

My money is on mutual consent at the end of the season so he doesn't have a sacking on his cv, part based on inability of his family to settle. Probably agreed already

[B.H.F.C]

I thought his answer to that was awful - he could easily have said that if players thought it was acceptable to be on holiday then they'll be told in no uncertain terms that there are two games to go and they're expected to give 100%, and anyone that gives the impression that they're on their holidays already won't be at the club any longer than is absolutely necessary.


Set the standard, don't shrug your shoulders and say you'd need to ask the players and accept it.

Agree. He just doesn’t know how to handle it. The interview on Sky when Luke Shanley pressed him a bit towards the end is equally bad. He just had absolutely no idea how to handle it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not that strange given he was offered a huge wage increase, had achieved going to the World Cup and Monty was also leaving.

He left months before Montgomery left.

[Paulie Walnuts]

My money is on mutual consent at the end of the season so he doesn't have a sacking on his cv, part based on inability of his family to settle. Probably agreed already

:agree:

I couldn’t care less what the ‘reason’ given is, but I fully expect he’ll be binned after the season ends. Definitely not before.

[Steve-O]

There’s quite a few bits in here that suggest, if he’s following the same plan, a massive clear out is imminent.

If he can get his type of player (ones who actually give a f__k for a start) then who knows what we could see next year?

Just think of the pish he inherited. Players who have barely tried a leg manager after manager and still get their pay cheque. Why would they bother buying into some new culture if they can just fanny about as per previous seasons?

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nick-montgomery-central-coast-mariners-sheffield-united/

[Real Emerald]

My money is on mutual consent at the end of the season so he doesn't have a sacking on his cv, part based on inability of his family to settle. Probably agreed already

I honestly don’t think anything has been agreed and NM is fully expecting to carry on, I’ve really got the fear on this one.

Who knows what the club agreed with Monty when they hired him but I’m beginning to think it was golden handcuffs. I’m worried now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s quite a few bits in here that suggest, if he’s following the same plan, a massive clear out is imminent.

If he can get his type of player (ones who actually give a f__k for a start) then who knows what we could see next year?

Just think of the pish he inherited. Players who have barely tried a leg manager after manager and still get their pay cheque. Why would they bother buying into some new culture if they can just fanny about as per previous seasons?

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nick-montgomery-central-coast-mariners-sheffield-united/

They managed to qualify for Europe last season without even trying?

And again, it’s not manager after manager. Only a quarter of the squad have been here for more than one sacking, and 3 of those 7 in Hanlon, Stevenson and Campbell cannot be labelled as non triers.

[Steve-O]

He left months before Montgomery left.

Both left during pre-season and it’s entirely possible Monty was looking elsewhere.

Besides, the salary increase would almost certainly be the main reason.

At least double the wage (probably more) to play in an inferior league!

[GreenCastle]

There’s quite a few bits in here that suggest, if he’s following the same plan, a massive clear out is imminent.

If he can get his type of player (ones who actually give a f__k for a start) then who knows what we could see next year?

Just think of the pish he inherited. Players who have barely tried a leg manager after manager and still get their pay cheque. Why would they bother buying into some new culture if they can just fanny about as per previous seasons?

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nick-montgomery-central-coast-mariners-sheffield-united/

“I made some big changes. I removed players who had been signed by the previous coach, and who probably thought they were untouchable.”

Plenty of our players think they are untouchable but we seem to play the same group each week.

[Steve-O]

They managed to qualify for Europe last season without even trying?

And again, it’s not manager after manager. Only a quarter of the squad have been here for more than one sacking, and 3 of those 7 in Hanlon, Stevenson and Campbell cannot be labelled as non triers.

Perhaps not non-triers but non good enough and apparently not too upset by the pish they see around them year after year.

[Tyler Durden]

There’s quite a few bits in here that suggest, if he’s following the same plan, a massive clear out is imminent.

If he can get his type of player (ones who actually give a f__k for a start) then who knows what we could see next year?

Just think of the pish he inherited. Players who have barely tried a leg manager after manager and still get their pay cheque. Why would they bother buying into some new culture if they can just fanny about as per previous seasons?

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nick-montgomery-central-coast-mariners-sheffield-united/

This is an interesting insight.

He comes across great in this piece but it’s hard to square this with the sort of interview he did with Luke Shanley last night. He couldn’t even seem to properly verbalise what his culture looked like…. “One where everyone is positive” was about the depth of it.

Maybe it’s just too much of a jump dealing with players at this level rather than youths and misfits like Cummings

[Steve-O]

This is an interesting insight.

He comes across great in this piece but it’s hard to square this with the sort of interview he did with Luke Shanley last night. He couldn’t even seem to properly verbalise what his culture looked like…. “One where everyone is positive” was about the depth of it.

Maybe it’s just too much of a jump dealing with players at this level rather than youths and misfits like Cummings

Maybe there is no more depth?

He appears to be implying there’s negativity in the group. That can take hold quickly if it’s senior players driving it, or allowing it. I see it at my own work! As soon as a respected person amongst the group is negative it’s quite hard to turn around without getting rid. Some people will not change. The selfish types Monty also speaks of in that article.

[Tyler Durden]

Maybe there is no more depth?

He appears to be implying there’s negativity in the group. That can take hold quickly if it’s senior players driving it, or allowing it. I see it at my own work! As soon as a respected person amongst the group is negative it’s quite hard to turn around without getting rid. Some people will not change. The selfish types Monty also speaks of in that article.

Right… but he’s been here all season. The only senior players he hasn’t used much are the likes of Hanlon and Lewis and we know there’s no issue there?

It’s not like Grant Brebner where Mowbray had him out within weeks is it…..

For me there’s been plenty of time to see Monty’s personality in the team. If he has ideas and values then we’d see them by now. Unfortunately it seems like he was found out with his inverted wingers and there’s nothing else there.

I’d rather sack him than risk giving him time tbh. Not sure if we’ve become too impatient but he’s just giving us nothing to hang onto

[Steve-O]

Right… but he’s been here all season. The only senior players he hasn’t used much are the likes of Hanlon and Lewis and we know there’s no issue there?

It’s not like Grant Brebner where Mowbray had him out within weeks is it…..

For me there’s been plenty of time to see Monty’s personality in the team. If he has ideas and values then we’d see them by now. Unfortunately it seems like he was found out with his inverted wingers and there’s nothing else there.

I’d rather sack him than risk giving him time tbh. Not sure if we’ve become too impatient but he’s just giving us nothing to hang onto

Do we know there is no issue with those two? They are being let go after all.

I doubt they’d be the instigators but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if their clearly introverted nature meant they were not comfortable or able to put a stop to it.

I am a bit biased as I saw his CCM team regularly and they were very good. Yes different league and we can argue all night about the quality but the fact remains he took an unfancied team of youth, misfits and a couple of shrewd signings to the A-League Championship. All the while playing very entertaining football.

Despite January I do not believe he has had a proper opportunity to bring in players who will buy what he is selling.

I totally get it’s been pish and hard to get watch but just *maybe* the old adage of being given time could pay off.

I also get Fergie is the exception but it took him 3-5 years to get it right at United!

[04Sauzee]

Do we know there is no issue with those two? They are being let go after all.

I doubt they’d be the instigators but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if their clearly introverted nature meant they were not comfortable or able to put a stop to it.

I am a bit biased as I saw his CCM team regularly and they were very good. Yes different league and we can argue all night about the quality but the fact remains he took an unfancied team of youth, misfits and a couple of shrewd signings to the A-League Championship. All the while playing very entertaining football.

Despite January I do not believe he has had a proper opportunity to bring in players who will buy what he is selling.

I totally get it’s been pish and hard to get watch but just *maybe* the old adage of being given time could pay off.

I also get Fergie is the exception but it took him 3-5 years to get it right at United!

Was there a transfer window in the early Fergie days? Couldn't they sign players any time they wanted?

[Real Emerald]

Do we know there is no issue with those two? They are being let go after all.

I doubt they’d be the instigators but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if their clearly introverted nature meant they were not comfortable or able to put a stop to it.

I am a bit biased as I saw his CCM team regularly and they were very good. Yes different league and we can argue all night about the quality but the fact remains he took an unfancied team of youth, misfits and a couple of shrewd signings to the A-League Championship. All the while playing very entertaining football.

Despite January I do not believe he has had a proper opportunity to bring in players who will buy what he is selling.

I totally get it’s been pish and hard to get watch but just *maybe* the old adage of being given time could pay off.

I also get Fergie is the exception but it took him 3-5 years to get it right at United!

There may be something in what you say about giving him more time and giving him another window IF he’d shown any glimmer that he was moving even slightly in the right direction. The problem now is the place is toxic and he will be given no leeway at all with the first bad run of results.

In order for the club and fan base to move on we need a new start and something to get behind, this just isn’t working and won’t end well if it’s allowed to fester.

[SHODAN]

Besides all the other goings-on, only two Hibs managers in the last twenty years have not won a single game against Hearts, Rangers or Celtic. Maloney is one, Montgomery is the other.

[Steve-O]

Was there a transfer window in the early Fergie days? Couldn't they sign players any time they wanted?

Doesn’t that just add to the argument?

[bingo70]

Do we know there is no issue with those two? They are being let go after all.

I doubt they’d be the instigators but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if their clearly introverted nature meant they were not comfortable or able to put a stop to it.

I am a bit biased as I saw his CCM team regularly and they were very good. Yes different league and we can argue all night about the quality but the fact remains he took an unfancied team of youth, misfits and a couple of shrewd signings to the A-League Championship. All the while playing very entertaining football.

Despite January I do not believe he has had a proper opportunity to bring in players who will buy what he is selling.

I totally get it’s been pish and hard to get watch but just *maybe* the old adage of being given time could pay off.

I also get Fergie is the exception but it took him 3-5 years to get it right at United!

It’s a nice idea that Monty could stage a miraculous recovery and if he does stay on it’s not impossible that it could happen. I don’t think it will happen but I’m open minded enough to accept I could be wrong, despite all the evidence pointing the other way just now.

The problem is it’s just too big a gamble to take the risk. It’s all looking far more likely we’d end up in the same position as we did when we sacked Johnson after 3 games this season and we can’t take that risk imo.

If this season went on for another 3 or 4 weeks (without checking the points totals or the maths) I’d be worried we’d be getting dragged into a relegation battle.

Unfortunately Monty isn’t just suffering with a poorly motivated squad who are all leaving, we are absolutely miles off it and he’s shown nothing with Hibs to suggest we should be taking the gamble with him.

Sometimes appointments just don’t work out and it appears this is one of those times.

[babahibs]

Strange that he didn't want to stick around

What's strange about it?
He was offered a lot more money somewhere else!!

[TrinityHFC]

Doesn’t that just add to the argument?

The argument being that nearly half a century ago one of the best managers of all time who already had a track record including European trophies once turned things around?

[Steve-O]

Besides all the other goings-on, only two Hibs managers in the last twenty years have not won a single game against Hearts, Rangers or Celtic. Maloney is one, Montgomery is the other.

Two draws and a loss in three is hardly terrible.

Ross, Johnson and Heckingbottom won one each!

Out record against them in the last 7 years is utterly abysmal.

[Steve-O]

The argument being that nearly half a century ago one of the best managers of all time who already had a track record including European trophies once turned things around?

Fergie won trophies in an inferior league and was given a loooong time to get it right at Utd.

Sounds a familiar tale.

Late 80s every Man Utd fan wanted him gone, regardless of the achievements a few years prior.

[TrinityHFC]

Fergie won trophies in an inferior league and was given a loooong time to get it right at Utd.

Sounds a familiar tale.

Late 80s every Man Utd fan wanted him gone, regardless of the achievements a few years prior.

Comparing Fergie’s time at Aberdeen to Monty’s in Australia is beyond laughable.

[ElginHibee]

See, I want the manager in that article, it just doesn't compare with what he's been doing. I can really believe there have been issues in the squad but he's done nothing about it.

[Chorley Hibee]

Do we know there is no issue with those two? They are being let go after all.

I doubt they’d be the instigators but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if their clearly introverted nature meant they were not comfortable or able to put a stop to it.

I am a bit biased as I saw his CCM team regularly and they were very good. Yes different league and we can argue all night about the quality but the fact remains he took an unfancied team of youth, misfits and a couple of shrewd signings to the A-League Championship. All the while playing very entertaining football.

Despite January I do not believe he has had a proper opportunity to bring in players who will buy what he is selling.

I totally get it’s been pish and hard to get watch but just *maybe* the old adage of being given time could pay off.

I also get Fergie is the exception but it took him 3-5 years to get it right at United!

Who on earth is going to buy into anything that Montgomery is trying to sell?

My Nan has more life, character and enthusiasm in her, and she was buried 5 years ago.

[Stevie Reid]

Comparing Fergie’s time at Aberdeen to Monty’s in Australia is beyond laughable.

Agreed. Also worth mentioning that Utd weren’t far off winning the league in Fergie’s first full season. Finished 2nd on 81 points (from 40 games).

[JimBHibees]

See, I want the manager in that article, it just doesn't compare with what he's been doing. I can really believe there have been issues in the squad but he's done nothing about it.

Think moving people on is as much as he can do

[Stuart93]

Who on earth is going to buy into anything that Montgomery is trying to sell?

My Nan has more life, character and enthusiasm in her, and she was buried 5 years ago.

I don’t know whether to laugh or pass on my condolences

[tamig]

See, I want the manager in that article, it just doesn't compare with what he's been doing. I can really believe there have been issues in the squad but he's done nothing about it.

Its tough to do anything about it mid-season. A very fine balancing act. Butcher tried that tactic and we went into freefall - all the way to the Championship.

[One Day Soon]

There’s quite a few bits in here that suggest, if he’s following the same plan, a massive clear out is imminent.

If he can get his type of player (ones who actually give a f__k for a start) then who knows what we could see next year?

Just think of the pish he inherited. Players who have barely tried a leg manager after manager and still get their pay cheque. Why would they bother buying into some new culture if they can just fanny about as per previous seasons?

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nick-montgomery-central-coast-mariners-sheffield-united/

Interesting article. He’s delivered literally none of that at Hibs in pretty much an entire season. Harsh as it is I’m filing that under ‘cool story bro’.

[tamig]

I don’t know whether to laugh or pass on my condolences

I thought it was a pretty tasteless comment.

[Stuart93]

I thought it was a pretty tasteless comment.

Ah well, can’t win them all

I feel you’re being a bit sensitive

[HendoDelivered]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

[Stuart93]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

If only they could carry that passion on to the pitch. We’d be a lot better for it.

However, the majority of them don’t look like they give a ****.

[heretoday]

Is the Motherwell game a bit of a cup final?

[easty]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

The guys crap. I can’t imagine we’ll get rid of him in the summer but I really hope he’s not a starter when next season begins.

[ElginHibee]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

100% better interview than his manager gave.

[Steve-O]

Interesting article. He’s delivered literally none of that at Hibs in pretty much an entire season. Harsh as it is I’m filing that under ‘cool story bro’.

If nothing else though it gives some insight into why he was hired in the first place. It wasn’t a stab in the dark.

I’m surprised it’s ended up this way and I imagine McDermott and Kensell are too.

[hibsbollah]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

There is literally no point you posting that, because its just a lure for a wave of negative, sarcastic responses. Noones actually going to engage with how good his words are, because don’t get me wrong, they really are, and im glad you posted them. Its apparent and obvious that hes a good guy. But noone at the club can win whatever they say at the moment. Just keep your head down and get on with your holidays would be my advice.

[Fanforlife]

He is gone,will be announced quite soon.

[Centre Hawf]

Rocky: "I have been here two seasons and all the time it's manager, manager, manager. The responsibility is shared. It's also on us, it is on everybody. Everybody included in the club. I hate finger pointing. That's not up to me to speak about the manager. Let me focus on me and the boys, the team."

Do the boys feel they have let the manager down?

"I can't say that. I don't like those kind of questions as we are there as a group. When I see how the week goes, everybody is there. We give everything in training. When things are going against you, it's just trying to make it click. Wednesday, last game at home, do it for your family, the fans, for Paul and Stevo, find a purpose. You play for Hibs, do it for Hibs and go from there. Then there is next season. There are going to be changes and different things."

Are the players all behind the manager? This is the kind of result where people may suggest otherwise...

"It's like I said, we train hard. Everyone is on the same page. It's not about 'are the players behind the manager' because you can't say every time they lose 'ah they've let the manager down'. No. You run until the end, you look at yourself, go in front of the mirror. Did I give everything? I am a professional player. I play for Hibs, I have responsibilities. Have I done enough? It's not about manager this, that. I've had enough of this, to be honest. Can't change managers, do this, this, that. I've said it in difficult moments when it's on me, I hold my hands up - 'guys, I've made a mistake'."

Do you feel the players here need more stability?

"It's hard, after a 4-0 game, that's not the first thing I think about, you know. I want to go home, watch my game, let it hurt me one more time and then like I told you, I play for Hibs. The season is not done yet. I have two games to play. I need to sort myself mentally to go into those games. I can't give you an answer on that, sorry.

Firstly I love Rocky's attitude, I do think he tries his best and hurts when it goes wrong (usually because of stick he can get).

Secondly, while it may be his English I feel like Rocky's words highlighted were a dig at the manager(s) in some way. But also as a piece at his teammates. I think in his own way he's called out the whole football side of things, and while he's not particularly good enough either at least he's willing to stick his neck on the line.

[flash]

Firstly I love Rocky's attitude, I do think he tries his best and hurts when it goes wrong (usually because of stick he can get).

Secondly, while it may be his English I feel like Rocky's words highlighted were a dig at the manager(s) in some way. But also as a piece at his teammates. I think in his own way he's called out the whole football side of things, and while he's not particularly good enough either at least he's willing to stick his neck on the line.

I took at as a swipe at some of his teammates as in it's us who keep seeing these managers off regardless of who they are.

[Centre Hawf]

I took at as a swipe at some of his teammates as in it's us who keep seeing these managers off regardless of who they are.

I think you're definitely right in that he's swiping at some of his teammates too. Just a few lines in there that made me think the love for the manger (and previous one maybe) isn't there either. But definitely an undertone of 'just get on with your ****ing job' from him.

[SteveHFC]

He’s away