Monty - Enough’s enough

[easty]

I don’t think Cowies tactical nous had anything to do with the two howlers that we let in yesterday ?

Neither do I. I think it’s the lack of tactical nous in our own dugout.

[Since452]

I think the squad has just proved itself that its bottom 6 dross. League table doesnt lie.

This team/squad was good enough to pump Luzern out of Europe over two legs. Our best European result in probably 45 plus years. LJ had the excuse of playing Thursday/Sunday. Montgomery doesn't. In fact the longer he had to work with the players between games the worse we got. I'm not buying this squad is bottom six material. Our manager hamstrung them by stubbornly playing a system that didn't work for months on end then one day randomly changed it. He can't even stick to his own philosophy. Wasted months for nothing. He has zero credibility. Doesn't know what he's doing.

[JimBHibees]

The results and performances we’ve put in this season mean we deserve bottom 6.

I know a lot of people won’t agree, but it’s not a bottom 6 squad for me

McInnes, Robinson or Docherty have their teams in the top 6. Any one of them potentially couldve have had us challenging Hearts for third this season. At worst we’d be comfortably top 6.

We would have been top 6 also with reasonable decisions and not hugely impressed by Robinson and Docherty though difficult to take away any credit for getting a stronger mentality and getting more out of players.

[flash]

The results and performances we’ve put in this season mean we deserve bottom 6.

I know a lot of people won’t agree, but it’s not a bottom 6 squad for me

McInnes, Robinson or Docherty have their teams in the top 6. Any one of them potentially couldve have had us challenging Hearts for third this season. At worst we’d be comfortably top 6.

No way this squad challenges for third regardless of who the manager is.

We have no decent keepers, a defence that couldn't keep flies out a sugar bowl, a powder puff midfield that is completely incapable of protecting the defence and a forward line that is undoubtedly talented but doesn't get nearly enough goals for the openings we create.

The manager has made some howlers in team selection and subbies and obviously should have got a decent central defender in during the January window but I am convinced he isn't the biggest problem.

It's poor recruitment all day every day and, unless we bring people in who recruit properly, nothing will change.

[JimBHibees]

Neither do I. I think it’s the lack of tactical nous in our own dugout.

Not sure there was anything tactical for either goal apart from pub league level mistakes

[JimBHibees]

No way this squad challenges for third regardless of who the manager is.

We have no decent keepers, a defence that couldn't keep flies out a sugar bowl, a powder puff midfield that is completely incapable of protecting the defence and a forward line that is undoubtedly talented but doesn't get nearly enough goals for the openings we create.

The manager has made some howlers in team selection and subbies and obviously should have got a decent central defender in during the January window but I am convinced he isn't the biggest problem.

It's poor recruitment all day every day and, unless we bring people in who recruit properly, nothing will change.

Agree with that

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t think Cowies tactical nous had anything to do with the two howlers that we let in yesterday ?

All the opposition need to do most of the time is work hard, and we will gift you some chances.

Every manager can see this, in fact most of our support see it week in week out.

[wookie70]

Not sure Monty had much to do with yesterday. Simply horrendous decision making and execution for their goals and poor finishing for our attempts. He was still at Hampden at 8am this morning to cycle for the SDG autism charity event. I hope he gets another chance and a summer window

[JimBHibees]

Not sure Monty had much to do with yesterday. Simply horrendous decision making and execution for their goals and poor finishing for our attempts. He was still at Hampden at 8am this morning to cycle for the SDG autism charity event. I hope he gets another chance and a summer window

Wow that says a lot about him imo

[One Day Soon]

It's surely fanciful that 'good' managers have been in the list of applicants, on the basis that we ended up with Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery.

What they all have in common is that the guys with the Football Manager game on their smartphones thought they could be ultra clever in spotting managerial prospects who would magically develop from high risk prospects into Fergie. The exact pattern they have been following in their truly deranged player signings.

We had a chance at Jon Dahl Tomasson and, ludicrously, we opted for the much cheaper and - more pertinently - much more controllable Lee Johnson instead. Good managers and managers with much more solid prospects than those we have been bringing home to mum and dad in the past have been and would be interested.

The challenge isn't attracting the interest of decent managers, it's our willingness to put in place guys who are not yes men, our willingness to step away from the 'we have no experience of running a football club whatsoever but we know best' mentality and our willingness to shell out for the good stuff.

[easty]

We would have been top 6 also with reasonable decisions and not hugely impressed by Robinson and Docherty though difficult to take away any credit for getting a stronger mentality and getting more out of players.

Not necessarily. Decisions went against us, but if they’d gone for us who’s to say we’d have taken advantage of them?

Aberdeen in the cup semi was set up for us to take advantage of a good situation and we were knocked out by the worst Aberdeen team for years who were down to 10 men.

The amount of winning positions we’ve pissed away this season tae gives me no confidence we’d have taken advantage of better refereeing

[The Modfather]

The results and performances we’ve put in this season mean we deserve bottom 6.

I know a lot of people won’t agree, but it’s not a bottom 6 squad for me

McInnes, Robinson or Docherty have their teams in the top 6. Any one of them potentially couldve have had us challenging Hearts for third this season. At worst we’d be comfortably top 6.

If McInnes, Robinson & Docherty can inherit the spine below and have it competing for 3rd they are miracle workers.

Marshall/Wollacot

Hanlon/Rocky/Fish/Harbottle

Newell, Jeggo, Campbell, JDH, Levitt, Delfierre

[LaMotta]

I don’t think Cowies tactical nous had anything to do with the two howlers that we let in yesterday ?

Was it evident when his team beat Hearts and Rangers?

[Smartie]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

Very good points.

If you were to take various ways of measuring a manager’s impact relative to expectation, how would Cowie and Montgomery compare?

League position? Cowie probably doing as well as expected, Montgomery not meeting expectation.

Landmark big results? County have wins over Rangers, Hearts and Hibs since February. Montgomery’s got f all all season.

Improvements in players or players playing to a high level -Cowie has Murray playing out his skin. Maolida is playing to a high level for us but does Monty get credit for that? Possibly. Certainly few other players are playing at the desired / required level.

Then there’s a sort of X factor, a feeling of the manager bonding with the fans. I’d expect the County fans to be happy with Cowie’s efforts, the Hibs support now seem to be split between apathy and animosity re Monty.

Cowie’s actually a half decent blueprint of what needs done to succeed taking over a struggling club part way through the season - and I’m not suggesting for a second that he should get the job either, but Cowie’s ticking all these boxes and Montgomery none.

[JimBHibees]

Not necessarily. Decisions went against us, but if they’d gone for us who’s to say we’d have taken advantage of them?

Aberdeen in the cup semi was set up for us to take advantage of a good situation and we were knocked out by the worst Aberdeen team for years who were down to 10 men.

The amount of winning positions we’ve pissed away this season tae gives me no confidence we’d have taken advantage of better refereeing

Not definitely but more than likely we would have. The two points at Ross county would have done it.

[easty]

Not sure Monty had much to do with yesterday. Simply horrendous decision making and execution for their goals and poor finishing for our attempts. He was still at Hampden at 8am this morning to cycle for the SDG autism charity event. I hope he gets another chance and a summer window

I hope he cycles all the way to Melbourne. Any way I can sponsor him to do that?

[Hibbyradge]

Not sure there was anything tactical for either goal apart from pub league level mistakes

Correct.

The fury directed at Montgomery was predictable, but Pep Guardiola couldn't do anything about those errors.

I feel a bit sorry for NM, but it does look like the end for him.

[One Day Soon]

Didn't Blackburn take him on when we signed up LJ? How did he do there?

Missed promotion to the Premiership in his first season on goal difference. Genius decision from Hibs.

[JimBHibees]

Correct.

The fury directed at Montgomery was predictable, but Pep Guardiola couldn't do anything about those errors.

I feel a bit sorry for NM, but it does look like the end for him.

Yes agree on both your points in last sentence

[LaMotta]

To claim anyone would be out of their depth to manage in this league is bonkers Naismith never managed previously and Robinson managed Oldham and Motherwell previously so facts disagree with your comment.

What are you on about? How can it be impossible for someone to be out their depth as a manager at Scottish Premiership level? :hilarious

[easty]

If McInnes, Robinson & Docherty can inherit the spine below and have it competing for 3rd they are miracle workers.

Marshall/Wollacot

Hanlon/Rocky/Fish/Harbottle

Newell, Jeggo, Campbell, JDH, Levitt, Delfierre

Robinson came to Easter Road with James Scott starting up front only a few months ago. Pumped us 3-0.

There’s your miracle worker.

[Daydreamer]

If he does not get the sack and is here next season he MUST start playing to the players strengths. Not try to get them to play like Manchester City. Also he must get a left footed central defender if he wants to play out from the back. That said he should have been sacked for not making the top six.

[The Modfather]

Robinson came to Easter Road with James Scott starting up front only a few months ago. Pumped us 3-0.

There’s your miracle worker.

Does that mean we don’t need a squad clear out just a new manager, like Robinson, to get the spine of the team I listed challenging for 3rd next season?

[One Day Soon]

No way this squad challenges for third regardless of who the manager is.

We have no decent keepers, a defence that couldn't keep flies out a sugar bowl, a powder puff midfield that is completely incapable of protecting the defence and a forward line that is undoubtedly talented but doesn't get nearly enough goals for the openings we create.

The manager has made some howlers in team selection and subbies and obviously should have got a decent central defender in during the January window but I am convinced he isn't the biggest problem.

It's poor recruitment all day every day and, unless we bring people in who recruit properly, nothing will change.


It's both.

It's astonishing really since the Gordons took over how much experience, ambition and resource they have very successfully poured into the commercial side of the club while at the same time pretty much failing to do exactly that on the footballing side.

It's almost as though those in charge are good at what they know and complete amateurs at what they don't, but they're unwilling to relinquish real control over the stuff they don't understand. In politics it is the case that good leaders generally are not scared of surrounding themselves with people who are better or know more than themselves in key areas. Bad leaders just want people who won't shine too much or become too powerful/influential compared to them. Sound familiar?

[easty]

Does that mean we don’t need a squad clear out just a new manager, like Robinson, to get the spine of the team I listed challenging for 3rd next season?

We’re getting a squad clear out. Loads of them are leaving. Half of the players who played yesterday will likely no be here next season.

We need a manager clear out to go with it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

:agree:

[One Day Soon]

We’re getting a squad clear out. Loads of them are leaving. Half of the players who played yesterday will likely no be here next season.

We need a manager clear out to go with it.

The problem is that a manager clear out (IF it happens) is only half the challenge. We also then need to recruit a decent manager and whether we can manage that depends substantially on whether the clown car crew making these decisions previously get to do it again...

[easty]

Does that mean we don’t need a squad clear out just a new manager, like Robinson, to get the spine of the team I listed challenging for 3rd next season?

I’m not even a huge fan of Robinson.

Right now though I’d take Paul Robinson off of Neighbours in the 90s as Hibs manager ahead of Monty. He did a good job managing Lassiters.

[easty]

The problem is that a manager clear out (IF it happens) is only half the challenge. We also then need to recruit a decent manager and whether we can manage that depends substantially on whether the clown car crew making these decisions previously get to do it again...

You don’t stick with a bad manager just because it’s going to be a hard job finding a good manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You don’t stick with a bad manager just because it’s going to be a hard job finding a good manager.

Especially when it would be an almost impossible task to appoint one even worse.

[flash]

How good was Ross County's squad when Don Cowie took over in the second week of February?

He's had no transfer window and a fraction of the time that Monty's had, and had taken his team to wins over us, Hearts, and Rangers in that time.

In his win yesterday, he got a tune our of two former Hibs players who weren't deemed good enough for us along with a bunch of players picked up for a pittance in relative terms.

I'm not advocating giving Cowie the job, but we really need to stop making excuses about footballers not being good enough to do what the coach is asking (especially when it's really not some revolutionary, advanced form of football we're attempting).

When good players all start looking bad, it's probably not the players that are the issue.

As regards your last sentence which players are you referring to who have regressed massively since the manager took over?

All I see is a group of players being what they have always been.

[Nicho87]

Any player can punch above their level imo

The current squad on paper should be deemed good enough

However they are not performing for a manager

It’s both imo poor recruitment, poor player decisions on match day

Icing on the cake is we have a largely uninspiring manager

[The Modfather]

I’m not even a huge fan of Robinson.

Right now though I’d take Paul Robinson off of Neighbours in the 90s as Hibs manager ahead of Monty. He did a good job managing Lassiters.

I don’t have any issue with wanting Montgomery out, nor even Robinson replacing him. I just think it’s possible to want Montgomery out while simultaneously calling out just how utterly woeful the spine he inherited is and I can’t see how any manager could have that spine challenging for anywhere near 3rd.

[One Day Soon]

You don’t stick with a bad manager just because it’s going to be a hard job finding a good manager.

I'm not arguing you do, I'm simply suggesting that if you keep employing ballet dancers to install your double glazing you are highly likely to always end up with bad double glazing...

These managers aren't appointing themselves, someone appears to be really not very good at appointing managers.

[BoomtownHibees]

This team/squad was good enough to pump Luzern out of Europe over two legs. Our best European result in probably 45 plus years. LJ had the excuse of playing Thursday/Sunday. Montgomery doesn't. In fact the longer he had to work with the players between games the worse we got. I'm not buying this squad is bottom six material. Our manager hamstrung them by stubbornly playing a system that didn't work for months on end then one day randomly changed it. He can't even stick to his own philosophy. Wasted months for nothing. He has zero credibility. Doesn't know what he's doing.

Keep reading about him sticking to a system/ formation etc for too long however we haven’t improved at all since he did change it, in fact we may have even got worse

[easty]

I don’t have any issue with wanting Montgomery out, nor even Robinson replacing him. I just think it’s possible to want Montgomery out while simultaneously calling out just how utterly woeful the spine he inherited is and I can’t see how any manager could have that spine challenging for anywhere near 3rd.

Hearts are sitting comfortably 3rd. We’ve played them 3 times, lost once and drawn twice. I’ve never thought they looked a miles better team than us. A better manager setting us up better, addressing the glaring deficiencies in the defence, could’ve completed with that Hearts side.

[easty]

I'm not arguing you do, I'm simply suggesting that if you keep employing ballet dancers to install your double glazing you are highly likely to always end up with bad double glazing...

These managers aren't appointing themselves, someone appears to be really not very good at appointing managers.

Fair point.

[Winston Ingram]

'An apology of a manager from minute one'. You're well off the mark there. Just check out the matchday threads from his early games and many are full of praise for his refreshing approach, how great it is to see a team playing to a recognised system and how they haven't enjoyed games so much in ages.

Clearly it hasn't gone to plan since then but he got a lot of credit early doors.

Very strange measure that. There were a few saying that but there were just as many if not more questioning his bat**** formation and radge substitutions.

He has been an abomination since the moment he walked through the door.

There is literally nothing anyone can point at and say he’s done this well or that well. Just red flag after red flag.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I have little faith in NM being able to get us in a better position next Season, just find him bland and uninspiring. Time will tell though

[jeffers]

Hearts are sitting comfortably 3rd. We’ve played them 3 times, lost once and drawn twice. I’ve never thought they looked a miles better team than us. A better manager setting us up better, addressing the glaring deficiencies in the defence, could’ve completed with that Hearts side.

Then take into consideration our head to heads with Killie who are likely to finish 3rd. I absolutely believe a better manager would have had us higher up the league.

[matty_f]

As regards your last sentence which players are you referring to who have regressed massively since the manager took over?

All I see is a group of players being what they have always been.

Boyle, Rocky, Fish, could argue Newell but he was inconsistent before, Vente, ALF, Youan, even Marcondes looks less effective rather than more with each game.

If I used the words "regressed massively" then I might be exaggerating a bit, but the team is going backwards, imho.

[easty]

Then take into consideration our head to heads with Killie who are likely to finish 3rd. I absolutely believe a better manager would have had us higher up the league.

Totally agree.

I’m no blind to the problems with our squad just now. It’s miles away from being one of my favourite Hibs teams. You look at the squads above us though, and we’re clearly underperforming.

[jeffers]

Totally agree.

I’m no blind to the problems with our squad just now. It’s miles away from being one of my favourite Hibs teams. You look at the squads above us though, and we’re clearly underperforming.

:agree: And of course I meant Killie are likely to finish 4th not 3rd, but the point still stands that they aren’t any better than us imo.

[bingo70]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

[jeffers]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

Cheers for putting that up as I had missed the start of the chat.

We should have got shot of him straight after the Motherwell game and quickly moved to bring in someone new who could assess the squad now, not wait until the summer and pre season training.

[Donegal Hibby]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

Is that not what Monty has came into too though in he's got someone else's squad , actually a squad of the last 2 or 3 managers ? . If he's allowed time to clear out players that's under performing like Newell for instance and recruit better players are the same mistakes likely to happen again ? .

Btw I see alot of players like Rocky , Wollacott and Newell getting called out and rightly so . Not probably a popular opinion though I thought Obita had a stinker yesterday and not his first either , defensively he was so poor .

[Centre Hawf]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

Hate saying this but Kris Boyd is spot on. We're running the risk here of doing the exact same thing as we did last year and writing off next season if we get rid of him in early September. The club need to either back the guy wholeheartedly next season and give him the whole season (bar anything catastrophic) or get rid of the guy in the next 2 weeks.

I know what one I'd pick, but if we end up looking for a new manager in September then as far as I'm concerned I won't be paying a single penny to watch us next season from that point because I'm not paying for another transitional season making up for our horrifically inept mistakes.

[Saint Hibee]

It’s a sad day when Kris Boyd sees things more clearly than the leadership of Hibernian Football Club.

[GreenCastle]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

This is what I said in earlier post - either come out and back him or sack him:

Maybe it’s a contract issue - cheaper to sack at end of season ?

Maloney and Monty I think both came in during the season.

We need to get away from that cycle and give someone a proper pre-season and summer to sort a lot of the mess out.

As a club we have taken so long with some of the appointments - which shows a lack of succession planning and basically making it up as they go along.

[Trinity Hibee]

It’s a sad day when Kris Boyd sees things more clearly than the leadership of Hibernian Football Club.

What he say out of interest? Not that it’s nothing that won’t have been said on here hundreds of times

Found it: https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=Lf2Je9-hRg6uExdvfVlCgA

[Saint Hibee]

What he say out of interest? Not that it’s nothing that won’t have been said on here hundreds of times

There’s a link to it on Twitter a couple of posts back, but basically saying that NM should be sacked now to give a new manager a clean slate for the start of next season.

[Mikey_1875]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

I agree. Even if the board are thinking it’s not as bad as some fans are making out and he has a chance of turning it around. It’s simply too big a gamble having the possibility of another situation like we had with LJ.

Maybe if we hadn’t had that situation with LJ the previous season I could understand Suttons view a bit more but we cannot afford another transitional season, especially with the added expectation the BK investment brings.

[B.H.F.C]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

I’d been thinking that giving him the chance to put things right with what he should have learned over the course of the season might have some merit in it. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t have been fussed if he was away, but I could have seen reasoning in keeping him. But it’s so clear now that it’s too far gone.

We just can’t take the risk of going in to next season, starting poorly and having to bin him. We need as clean a slate as possible so that means him going and no stupid contract renewals. Anyone we can get out of the building, we should IMO. Except Maolida if he fancies coming back.

[Winston Ingram]

I agree. Even if the board are thinking it’s not as bad as some fans are making out and he has a chance of turning it around. It’s simply too big a gamble having the possibility of another situation like we had with LJ.

Maybe if we hadn’t had that situation with LJ the previous season I could understand Suttons view a bit more but we cannot afford another transitional season, especially with the added expectation the BK investment brings.

Sutton and McFadden have no idea what’s happening at Hibs yet have no problem offering such a strong opinion on something they know hee haw about.

I remember Sutton getting interviewed before the derby at ER this season saying that Hibs fans were loving life under Montgomery and had been watching some fantastic football this season.

I’d be surprised if he’s a single game we’ve played this season.

[Curried]

It’s a sad day when Kris Boyd sees things more clearly than the leadership of Hibernian Football Club.

I think you're being disingenuous about a bigot.

[Smartie]

I think you're being disingenuous about a bigot.

Boyd turns into a slavering moron whenever Rangers are involved but I find him to be a good pundit when they’re not. He’s normally very fair when it comes to Hibs and it’s not much of a surprise that he’s spot on here.

[Curried]

Boyd turns into a slavering moron whenever Rangers are involved but I find him to be a good pundit when they’re not. He’s normally very fair when it comes to Hibs and it’s not much of a surprise that he’s spot on here.
Yawn

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s a sad day when Kris Boyd sees things more clearly than the leadership of Hibernian Football Club.

It shows our standing in media circles when we have to rely on a Rangers fan and a Hearts fan (Biscuits) to speak out with passion about the present state of the club. I agree with Faddy though when he questions the ability of those behind the scenes at Easter Road.

[WhileTheChief..]

Maybe we could go back to the manager deciding who we sign? Having a 'committee' or other folks doing it just isn't working for us.

Let the manager identify who he wants, then go try your best to get them in.

It might be seen as being short term, but whatever our approach has been recently, it's failed.

[Since452]

Hibs are playing a dangerous game here. Who is going to want to sign for us when we're dillydallying over our manager? Aberdeen and Hearts will offer more security. Either back him of sack him or it puts our summer window in jeopardy. Clubs will already be putting feelers out to players and agents. This review carry on is just nonsense and doesn't surprise me with our CEO and owners.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

We’re getting a squad clear out. Loads of them are leaving. Half of the players who played yesterday will likely no be here next season.

We need a manager clear out to go with it.

Against that backdrop of the chop of many players…. Perhaps that explains another aspect of the challenge of NM. I’m as peeved as most folks but there is a backstory hear way beyond the current manager.

[Brizo]

Maybe we could go back to the manager deciding who we sign? Having a 'committee' or other folks doing it just isn't working for us.

Let the manager identify who he wants, then go try your best to get them in.

It might be seen as being short term, but whatever our approach has been recently, it's failed.

I'm not convinced our hierarchy would be willing to accept that recruitment strategy and that's possibly the reason why we've had no SPFL-proven managers since Jack Ross. I could be totally wrong but if the next manager is a fourth left field appointment I think that's quite telling.

[Bridge hibs]

Hibs are playing a dangerous game here. Who is going to want to sign for us when we're dillydallying over our manager? Aberdeen and Hearts will offer more security. Either back him of sack him or it puts our summer window in jeopardy. Clubs will already be putting feelers out to players and agents. This review carry on is just nonsense and doesn't surprise me with our CEO and owners.The club are backing him, if they werent they would be sacking him

[Vini1875]

I have already bought my ST, more out of habit that a genuine desire to watch Hibs next season. I am sure there are plenty who are not renewing and that more than anything should indicate to the board that they need to let NM go and get a coach and players who the support can get behind. It is a huge risk to think that with NM in charge and improved recruitment we are going to have a team on the park that brings the fans flooding back.

I think that the main reason NM remains in his job is either they are looking at other candidates and need time to get him in or they know that by sacking NM, they will come under scrutiny and pressure from the fans.

[Since452]

The club are backing him, if they werent they would be sacking him

They should have said that then and not come out with the stuff about reviews and results needing to improve. Just creates confusion. The statement was just a waste of time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They should have said that then and not come out with the stuff about reviews and results needing to improve. Just creates confusion. The statement was just a waste of time.

The review will still be ongoing. Any shouts of whether he’s staying or going at this point are complete guess work.

[K-Zazu]

Does anyone know what or who does the talking in that stupid ‘huddle’ before the game? Are they talking about tactics? Might get away with that nonsense in Australia but not here.

[flash]

Does anyone know what or who does the talking in that stupid ‘huddle’ before the game? Are they talking about tactics? Might get away with that nonsense in Australia but not here.

Seems to have worked alright for Celtic over the years.

Fair play on finding something original to moan about though.

[TrinityHibby]

https://x.com/scotlandsky/status/1787082195036688785?s=46&t=VghJuoU_bl8ISs-zf5CmHg

I hate myself for saying this but I agree with Kris Boyd.

Sticking with Montgomery there’s too high a chance we will be repeating this seasons mistakes.

Replace him now and the new manager gets a blank canvas to build his own squad, not take over someone else’s in October.

He is 100% correct.Nick Montgomery has provided no evidence he is the right head coach for HFC and appears a man without a plan. Football is dire, results absolutely dreadful and even Don Cowie at Ross County, who was appointed in January, has achieved notable wins against Hearts, Rangers and Hibernian with the same players he inherited. Monty has no such successes in a full season. I do get the point that regularly sacking managers is not a recipe for success however retaining ones that are �� is in my opinion much more damaging.

[bingo70]

Seems to have worked alright for Celtic over the years.

Fair play on finding something original to moan about though.

😂

Certainly doesn’t seem to be doing them much good but in the greater scheme of things, I can’t say it’s one that bothers me too much.

The *******s.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Disappointed he’s not gone yet.

I reckon he’ll get till the end of the season now, regardless of what happens. He could probably lose every remaining game.

If there’s a genuine review of his position at that point though then there can only be one outcome and I can’t wait to see a new manager in post. He’s been an utter disaster.

[TrinityHibby]

Boyle, Rocky, Fish, could argue Newell but he was inconsistent before, Vente, ALF, Youan, even Marcondes looks less effective rather than more with each game.

If I used the words "regressed massively" then I might be exaggerating a bit, but the team is going backwards, imho.


Hibs have definitely regressed whilst Nick Montgomery’s former team have improved…..🤔 I wonder why?

[TrinityHibby]

Totally agree.

I’m no blind to the problems with our squad just now. It’s miles away from being one of my favourite Hibs teams. You look at the squads above us though, and we’re clearly underperforming.

Other than Levein and Davie Martindale I would prefer any other head coach in the top flight than the 🤡 at Hibernian.

[TrinityHibby]

Disappointed he’s not gone yet.

I reckon he’ll get till the end of the season now, regardless of what happens. He could probably lose every remaining game.

If there’s a genuine review of his position at that point though then there can only be one outcome and I can’t wait to see a new manager in post. He’s been an utter disaster.

I genuinely believe most of the Hibernian support would make better team selections and substitutions them Montgomery

[K-Zazu]

Seems to have worked alright for Celtic over the years.

Fair play on finding something original to moan about though.

The Celtic players do it just before kick off, not with all the coaching staff half an hour before kick off.

[flash]

Hibs have definitely regressed whilst Nick Montgomery’s former team have improved…..🤔 I wonder why?

Or alternatively the team he built has gone on to even greater success.

[I'm Spartacus]

There's no point in banding names about, we've sold our soul to the Black Knights, they'll provide us with some academy boy they want out the road :(

[Lago]

Does anyone know what or who does the talking in that stupid ‘huddle’ before the game? Are they talking about tactics? Might get away with that nonsense in Australia but not here.
Most teams do it now, just watched Liverpool in a huddle

[Donegal Hibby]

Most teams do it now, just watched Liverpool in a huddle

Might be wrong though was it not Tony Mowbray who was behind Celtic doing it ? . Your spot on btw most teams do it now .

[B.H.F.C]

Most teams do it now, just watched Liverpool in a huddle

I’d disagree that most teams do it. Certainly in the way we do it at the end of the warm up.

[Lago]

Might be wrong though was it not Tony Mowbray who was behind Celtic doing it ? . Your spot on btw most teams do it now .
Yip

[TrinityHibby]

Or alternatively the team he built has gone on to even greater success.

……with someone that actually has a clue picking the team and tactics

[flash]

……with someone that actually has a clue picking the team and tactics

Whatever.

[Greenio]

Boyd talking about the fanbase being gone, as if that's the thing that we base our footballing strategy on.

Truth is the fanbase should never be the barometer for decision making. They are fickle and short term. If Montgomery stays, gets new players, a better tea, starts winning (Im not detbating the likelyhood of that happening btw, so hud your comments! lol), the fanbase will come back and it'll be the whole 'happy to admit he's proved me wrong' patter - it's the same with players - they hit a poor run form, the are dug *****, have a good run and they are the best thing since sliced bread - its game to game.

Boyd just talks because he has to say something, not because he has something to say. As is pointed out, the fanbase 'went' with Jack Ross, but Boyd was fully behind him - funny that

[JohnM1875]

Boyd talking about the fanbase being gone, as if that's the thing that we base our footballing strategy on.

Truth is the fanbase should never be the barometer for decision making. They are fickle and short term. If Montgomery stays, gets new players, a better tea, starts winning (Im not detbating the likelyhood of that happening btw, so hud your comments! lol), the fanbase will come back and it'll be the whole 'happy to admit he's proved me wrong' patter - it's the same with players - they hit a poor run form, the are dug *****, have a good run and they are the best thing since sliced bread - its game to game.

Boyd just talks because he has to say something, not because he has something to say. As is pointed out, the fanbase 'went' with Jack Ross, but Boyd was fully behind him - funny that

Boyd is a helmet but he's spot on here. When it's as far gone and as toxic as it is now managers just don't come back from that. I can't think of a single Hibs manager in my lifetime that has. That's included ex players who have done so much for the club as well.

Montgomery will always be a defeat or two away from folk wanting him sacked. He's done and I hate saying it, especially as someone who was giving it big licks when he was appointed, but the sooner he's punted the better for all involved.

[Winston Ingram]

Boyd talking about the fanbase being gone, as if that's the thing that we base our footballing strategy on.

Truth is the fanbase should never be the barometer for decision making. They are fickle and short term. If Montgomery stays, gets new players, a better tea, starts winning (Im not detbating the likelyhood of that happening btw, so hud your comments! lol), the fanbase will come back and it'll be the whole 'happy to admit he's proved me wrong' patter - it's the same with players - they hit a poor run form, the are dug *****, have a good run and they are the best thing since sliced bread - its game to game.

Boyd just talks because he has to say something, not because he has something to say. As is pointed out, the fanbase 'went' with Jack Ross, but Boyd was fully behind him - funny that

It should never be the entire measure, but any business ignoring their customers deserve what they get.

Boyd has to say something say and it makes sense for him to say that is so obviously 100% correct.

[easty]

Or alternatively the team he built has gone on to even greater success.

No, because they were already doing well before he got the job there.

[JimBHibees]

I’m not even a huge fan of Robinson.

Right now though I’d take Paul Robinson off of Neighbours in the 90s as Hibs manager ahead of Monty. He did a good job managing Lassiters.

😄

[JimBHibees]

Seems to have worked alright for Celtic over the years.

Fair play on finding something original to moan about though.

😄

[Brizo]

I’m not even a huge fan of Robinson.

Right now though I’d take Paul Robinson off of Neighbours in the 90s as Hibs manager ahead of Monty. He did a good job managing Lassiters.



We definitely need to do something to address the gulf between us and our "neighbours"

[Greenio]

Boyd is a helmet but he's spot on here. When it's as far gone and as toxic as it is now managers just don't come back from that. I can't think of a single Hibs manager in my lifetime that has. That's included ex players who have done so much for the club as well.

Montgomery will always be a defeat or two away from folk wanting him sacked. He's done and I hate saying it, especially as someone who was giving it big licks when he was appointed, but the sooner he's punted the better for all involved.

Im not saying if he should be punted or not, Im saying fans are fickle, results can change and when (im not saying they will) that happens fans are quick to forget.

If we'd taken out chances and held our nerve, this thread woudlnt even exist

[TrinityHFC]

Im not saying if he should be punted or not, Im saying fans are fickle, results can change and when (im not saying they will) that happens fans are quick to forget.

If we'd taken out chances and held our nerve, this thread woudlnt even exist

The point is that he’s done now. If we’d taken our chances and won then things would be quieter this week but we’d be right back to this point the next time a result didn’t go well. Managers don’t usually come back from this.

[easty]

If we'd taken out chances and held our nerve, this thread woudlnt even exist

If we'd won the games we didn't things would be better. Agreed.

[Slim Shady]

If we'd won the games we didn't things would be better. Agreed.

Then we wouldve won the league........ :wink:

[Slim Shady]

Recent sponsors event he was asked what he would see as an achievment for next season.

Response "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6"

Top 6 - Im expecting top 4 minimum.

[blackpoolhibs]

Im not saying if he should be punted or not, Im saying fans are fickle, results can change and when (im not saying they will) that happens fans are quick to forget.

If we'd taken out chances and held our nerve, this thread woudlnt even exist
If yer auntie had baws.:wink:

We say that most weeks, but of course we hardly ever do and our defence hands out presents as if it's christmas day all the time.

[Since452]

Recent sponsors event he was asked what he would see as an achievment for next season.

Response "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6"

Top 6 - Im expecting top 4 minimum.

This is what really annoys me. Top six shouldn't even be a discussion. It should be an expectation NOT an achievement. I'm not sure if he doesn't fully grasp what our expectations are, or if he's tying to lower the bar for himself as he progressively fails to make it seem better. Either way it's not great. The whole "moments away from jubilation" comment really irked me as well. I wasn't a fan of Lennon as a person but he wasn't happy with 4th or even 3rd! We need that drive and those expectations at our club.

[greenpaper55]

If we had Pep in charge on Saturday even he couldn’t have stopped the individual errors that cost us the game, I don’t think many fans realise how bad the squad is and a huge clear out is needed in the summer. Whether Monty is there or not is anybody’s guess but my feeling is he will be given another season with better players.

[bingo70]

If we had Pep in charge on Saturday even he couldn’t have stopped the individual errors that cost us the game, I don’t think many fans realise how bad the squad is and a huge clear out is needed in the summer. Whether Monty is there or not is anybody’s guess but my feeling is he will be given another season with better players.

He’s not being judged solely on Saturday though.

[Steve20]

I knew there would still be people backing him on here.

They really do just accept us being garbage year after year.

[Chorley Hibee]

This is what really annoys me. Top six shouldn't even be a discussion. It should be an expectation NOT an achievement. I'm not sure if he doesn't fully grasp what our expectations are, or if he's tying to lower the bar for himself as he progressively fails to make it seem better. Either way it's not great. The whole "moments away from jubilation" comment really irked me as well. I wasn't a fan of Lennon as a person but he wasn't happy with 4th or even 3rd! We need that drive and those expectations at our club.

The culture of failure throughout the club is clear.

There'll be more than Montgomery with those thoughts on what success for Hibs means.

They've all contributed to the mess we're in right now.

[Real Emerald]

I knew there would still be people backing him on here.

They really do just accept us being garbage year after year.

Exactly, never mind setting high targets some folk expect us just to accept anything. There will be no fans left if this continues as he has given us nothing to suggest he’s got what it takes. If we limp on until September before we act the club is finished for another season. You’ve got to have higher standards than this.

[easty]

If we had Pep in charge on Saturday even he couldn’t have stopped the individual errors that cost us the game, I don’t think many fans realise how bad the squad is and a huge clear out is needed in the summer. Whether Monty is there or not is anybody’s guess but my feeling is he will be given another season with better players.

He's been the boss for 8-9 months :faf: he's not being judged on the game at the weekend on it's own.

[matty_f]

If we had Pep in charge on Saturday even he couldn’t have stopped the individual errors that cost us the game, I don’t think many fans realise how bad the squad is and a huge clear out is needed in the summer. Whether Monty is there or not is anybody’s guess but my feeling is he will be given another season with better players.

Don Cowie beat us with Ross County's squad, who were in real danger of relegation when he took over in February.

Our squad is surely better than theirs?

[WeAreHibs]

I just want him away now and to have a glimmer of hope for next season.

[PineBarrens]

Surprised he isn't gone by now. Has to go this week. Just wasting time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Recent sponsors event he was asked what he would see as an achievment for next season.

Response "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6"

Top 6 - Im expecting top 4 minimum.

Did he really say that?

[greenpaper55]

Don Cowie beat us with Ross County's squad, who were in real danger of relegation when he took over in February.

Our squad is surely better than theirs?

Don Cowies team got beaten by Livi last week !

[greenpaper55]

He's been the boss for 8-9 months :faf: he's not being judged on the game at the weekend on it's own.

Ok i agree but who would he have picked that could better the team he put out on Saturday ?

[The Modfather]

Don Cowie beat us with Ross County's squad, who were in real danger of relegation when he took over in February.

Our squad is surely better than theirs?

Mcinnes hasn’t beaten Montgomery and only taken 2 points from 9 from us with two of those games at Rugby Park. He’s probably glad we didn’t make the top 6. Not sure that proves anything about either manager or either team though. Much like us against Ross County and Cowie, taken in isolation.

[we are hibs]

Mcinnes hasn’t beaten Montgomery and only taken 2 points from 9 from us with two of those games at Rugby Park. He’s probably glad we didn’t make the top 6. Not sure that proves anything about either manager or either team though. Much like us against Ross County and Cowie, taken in isolation.Was also mentioned that Killie have dropped 19 points from winning positions this season.

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[easty]

Ok i agree but who would he have picked that could better the team he put out on Saturday ?

At this point it's more about how they've been set up and coached than who else should be picked.

[One Day Soon]

Recent sponsors event he was asked what he would see as an achievment for next season.

Response "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6"

Top 6 - Im expecting top 4 minimum.

Top 6?

Jesus Christ. Surely that's not true? It cannot be true.

[easty]

Mcinnes hasn’t beaten Montgomery and only taken 2 points from 9 from us with two of those games at Rugby Park. He’s probably glad we didn’t make the top 6. Not sure that proves anything about either manager or either team though. Much like us against Ross County and Cowie, taken in isolation.


Was also mentioned that Killie have dropped 19 points from winning positions this season.

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And will still finish 4th, qualify for Europe, and on a fraction of the budget we work with at Hibs.

[flash]

Top 6?

Jesus Christ. Surely that's not true? It cannot be true.

By our standards that would be a decent season so unsure as to where the shocked reaction is coming from, faux as it undoubtedly is.

[One Day Soon]

By our standards that would be a decent season so unsure as to where the shocked reaction is coming from, faux as it undoubtedly is.

Anyone - and I mean anyone - whose ambition for Hibs in terms of the league is simply to finish top 6 is a complete ****ing joker.

And BTW, you can shove your serially self-important and tiresome Flashsplaining of what other people really think where the sun doesn't shine.

[B.H.F.C]

Surprised he isn't gone by now. Has to go this week. Just wasting time.

I think it’s pretty clear that he’s going to see the season out.

I agree that they’d be better acting now but it not happening.

[flash]

Anyone - and I mean anyone - whose ambition for Hibs in terms of the league is simply to finish top 6 is a complete ****ing joker.

And BTW, you can shove your serially self-important and tiresome Flashsplaining of what other people really think where the sun doesn't shine.

No wonder you are meant to be 59 ffs.

[greenpaper55]

At this point it's more about how they've been set up and coached than who else should be picked.

How can you coach a keeper not to kick the ball to an opponent !

[blackpoolhibs]

How can you coach a keeper not to kick the ball to an opponent !

I'd say that would be one of the easiest things to coach a keeper to do.

Leather it long every time, job done. :greengrin

[greenpaper55]

I'd say that would be one of the easiest things to coach a keeper to do.

Leather it long every time, job done. :greengrin

I agree thats one way to deal with it but then it comes straight back as we have no target man to hit, i know the football has been dire at times but could it be that we have one of the worst squads we have ever had in recent years and maybe Monty has actually done quite well in keeping us in the top division ?

[BoomtownHibees]

maybe Monty has actually done quite well in keeping us in the top division

wow

[Paulie Walnuts]

Anyone - and I mean anyone - whose ambition for Hibs in terms of the league is simply to finish top 6 is a complete ****ing joker.

And BTW, you can shove your serially self-important and tiresome Flashsplaining of what other people really think where the sun doesn't shine.

:agree:

[Chorley Hibee]

By our standards that would be a decent season so unsure as to where the shocked reaction is coming from, faux as it undoubtedly is.

This is the problem, letting the fact we've been ***** for years be used as an excuse for more failure.

A whole change in attitude, from the top, is required.

[Springbank]

Hate to say this, but NM (who I was all for) is giving me lots of flashbacks to the Pat Fenlon days.

Terrible football, underachieving players, and a team really only getting goals because one talented forward is in a real purple patch

At least we don't have Malmo first game of the season

"Lewis, I need you to play right back again today":grr:

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree thats one way to deal with it but then it comes straight back as we have no target man to hit, i know the football has been dire at times but could it be that we have one of the worst squads we have ever had in recent years and maybe Monty has actually done quite well in keeping us in the top division ?

Naw, LJ got most of this pish into Europe.

Some of the dross below us are really pish, our pish should be top 6 minimum, a chimp should be able to do that with us.

[matty_f]

Don Cowies team got beaten by Livi last week !

The ****’s not a miracle worker. :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Naw, LJ got most of this pish into Europe.

Some of the dross below us are really pish, our pish should be top 6 minimum, a chimp should be able to do that with us.

That's what makes it worse, the overall standard outside the OF is so dire but, we still ended up in the bottom six.

[Brizo]

Recent sponsors event he was asked what he would see as an achievment for next season.

Response "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6"

Top 6 - Im expecting top 4 minimum.

Thats a shocking indictment of Montgomery's ambition or lack of it.

If his target was mid-table mediocrity it's no surprise that what weve ended up with

[Since452]

Was also mentioned that Killie have dropped 19 points from winning positions this season.

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Imagine they hadn't. Would have been comfortably 3rd. Even still, they've had a fantastic season.

[Since452]

I agree thats one way to deal with it but then it comes straight back as we have no target man to hit, i know the football has been dire at times but could it be that we have one of the worst squads we have ever had in recent years and maybe Monty has actually done quite well in keeping us in the top division ?

When the summer window shut most of us were saying our squad was pretty good, if not the best in years after huge investment by our standards. It was one of the reasons, probably the main reason LJ was punted as he wasn't getting the best out of it despite our hugely impressive games against Luzern. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

[tonyrougier123]

Part of the problem is we are a front runner horse, pace setter. Sometimes we get away from the chasing pack but generally we nothing for the final furlong to defend a lead. And when we race against class ones we end up looking silly.

There’s nothing in this side to defend a lead and invite teams to come at us while we pick them off on the break, teams coming at us are successful, so when we are out of steam we are as prone as any team in the league to concede 1-2 late goals, once the front guys have ran their race. And they don’t have the defensive capabilities to defend any lead we might have,and to add to the bargain we are not clinical enough to be 3-4 up either. Despite chances galore to put teams away on occasion.

[greenpaper55]

Naw, LJ got most of this pish into Europe.

Some of the dross below us are really pish, our pish should be top 6 minimum, a chimp should be able to do that with us.

Interesting concept of having a chimp as a manager ! Maybe he could stop Rocky heading the ball to an opponent and also help the keeper from giving away a goal ? I think you will find that come the end of the season most of our so called first team will be away as they are mediocre at best and no one not even the smartest chimp could get them to play well.

[Smartie]

Normally I’d agree with the criticism of his “top 6” comment but on this occasion I think he might be right.

We’ve been in decline for years, first step must be arresting that decline. Our squad is abysmal, lit up by a couple of loan players who surely won’t be here next year.

What does anyone see in the group of players contracted for next season that makes them think we have the bones of a top 4 squad? For this shower of pish to be top 4 will require 6 or 7 players to come in and be our best players - and the flawed and inconsistent players we kid on are good enough to be part of a good Hibs side relegated down the pecking order a good bit.

We’re in a mess. Top 6 next season is a reasonable aim, even though it shouldn’t be.

[Real Emerald]

Normally I’d agree with the criticism of his “top 6” comment but on this occasion I think he might be right.

We’ve been in decline for years, first step must be arresting that decline. Our squad is abysmal, lit up by a couple of loan players who surely won’t be here next year.

What does anyone see in the group of players contracted for next season that makes them think we have the bones of a top 4 squad? For this shower of pish to be top 4 will require 6 or 7 players to come in and be our best players - and the flawed and inconsistent players we kid on are good enough to be part of a good Hibs side relegated down the pecking order a good bit.

We’re in a mess. Top 6 next season is a reasonable aim, even though it shouldn’t be.

Top six isn’t a reasonable aim at all, it’s a must have minimum requirement given our resources. Any manager not getting us comfortably into the top six should be afraid of losing his job.

I get what you mean though as our expectations through constant failures have fallen when they really shouldn’t have. We really must do better and sacking Montgomery is the first of the actions that should be taken.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Normally I’d agree with the criticism of his “top 6” comment but on this occasion I think he might be right.

We’ve been in decline for years, first step must be arresting that decline. Our squad is abysmal, lit up by a couple of loan players who surely won’t be here next year.

What does anyone see in the group of players contracted for next season that makes them think we have the bones of a top 4 squad? For this shower of pish to be top 4 will require 6 or 7 players to come in and be our best players - and the flawed and inconsistent players we kid on are good enough to be part of a good Hibs side relegated down the pecking order a good bit.

We’re in a mess. Top 6 next season is a reasonable aim, even though it shouldn’t be.

What did anyone see in Kilmarnock last season to say they’d end up top 4 this year? Or Dundee when they were in the championship ending up top 6?

I’ve no idea why folk seem to think progress has to be so slow in this league. It really doesn’t. 6th place next year would be yet another failure, even if Montgomery thinks it wouldn’t be.

[greenlex]

[QUOTE=Stubbsy90+2;7650978]What did anyone see in Kilmarnock last season to say they’d end up top 4 this year? Or Dundee when they were in the championship ending up top 6?

I’ve no idea why folk seem to think progress has to be so slow in this league. It really doesn’t. 6th place next year would be yet another failure, even if Montgomery thinks it wouldn’t be.[/QUOTE

where they finish next season will say more about both managers IMO.

[easty]

where they finish next season will say more about both managers IMO.

If both Dundee and Killie finish in the bottom 6 next season, that won't necessarily be an underachievement for either club.

It'll depend on a lot of things. If Killie lose Armstrong/Watson/Dennis/Findlay and can't replace them on the budget they run the club on, and Dundee similarly lose players they can't afford to replace, then you can't expect them to finish top 6. They could still do well to finish 7th and 8th.

Getting the most out of what you have is all you can ask a manager to do.

[flash]

Pretty sure he said Top 6 which could be anywhere between 1st and 6th

Had he said 6th position specifically then that would be a different matter altogether.

[Hibees1973]

Montgomery has been here long enough to instill some organisation and steel into the squad we have. Especially with the players he wanted to bring in and was provided with in the January transfer window. What he had was more than enough to get into the top 6.

The constant conceding of late goals throughout his tenure and frankly ludicrous substitutions, has for me, been complete failure on his part.

He also does not have the personality to give the Hibs support any real hope and optimism for next season. Easter Road will be like a morgue for our last two home games this season.

Montgomery is responsible for this and must be removed from his post immediately, alongside all the other coaches on the payroll at Hibs.

And finally. Kensall & Ian Gordon should have zero involvement in appointing a new manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pretty sure he said Top 6 which could be anywhere between 1st and 6th

Had he said 6th position specifically then that would be a different matter altogether.

Just staying in the league being a success could mean anywhere between 1st and 11th. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a ****ing ridiculous statement becasue that could mean finishing high.

[greenlex]

If both Dundee and Killie finish in the bottom 6 next season, that won't necessarily be an underachievement for either club.

It'll depend on a lot of things. If Killie lose Armstrong/Watson/Dennis/Findlay and can't replace them on the budget they run the club on, and Dundee similarly lose players they can't afford to replace, then you can't expect them to finish top 6. They could still do well to finish 7th and 8th.

Getting the most out of what you have is all you can ask a manager to do.
And could finish bottom which is kinda my point.

[snedzuk]

Ok i agree but who would he have picked that could better the team he put out on Saturday ?

David Marshall - or a nearby lamppost.

[One Day Soon]

What did anyone see in Kilmarnock last season to say they’d end up top 4 this year? Or Dundee when they were in the championship ending up top 6?

I’ve no idea why folk seem to think progress has to be so slow in this league. It really doesn’t. 6th place next year would be yet another failure, even if Montgomery thinks it wouldn’t be.


Are we actually sure he said this? He's done in my mind on the back of the utterly abject season we've had but even while holding that view I can't quite believe he would say something as crass as that finishing top 6 is the target. And if he has actually said it then where has it come from? His own head? His conversations with those 'leading' the club?

We're currently 12 points behind fourth placed Kilmarnock after a really ****ty season so not targeting top 4 next year would be spectacularly unambitious. Which is why I'm not absolutely convinced he said it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are we actually sure he said this? He's done in my mind on the back of the utterly abject season we've had but even while holding that view I can't quite believe he would say something as crass as that finishing top 6 is the target. And if he has actually said it then where has it come from? His own head? His conversations with those 'leading' the club?

We're currently 12 points behind fourth placed Kilmarnock after a really ****ty season so not targeting top 4 next year would be spectacularly unambitious. Which is why I'm not absolutely convinced he said it.

I asked the same, not sure it ever got responded to. I find it hard to believe any Hibs manager would say top 6 next season would be succesful but who knows.

The last thing I could ever be bothered doing is listening to his interviews to confirm though.

[Slim Shady]

I asked the same, not sure it ever got responded to. I find it hard to believe any Hibs manager would say top 6 next season would be succesful but who knows.

The last thing I could ever be bothered doing is listening to his interviews to confirm though.

Was at a recent sponsors evening at Gaucho so you wont find it in any interviews.

Question and Answer session.

Q - Nick, we are all really disappointed, like yourself that we didn't finish higher in the league. if you're at the same event next year, what would you see as an achievement for next season.

A - His word were - "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6" Throw in a couple of yehs and yeh you knows.

[JimBHibees]

Normally I’d agree with the criticism of his “top 6” comment but on this occasion I think he might be right.

We’ve been in decline for years, first step must be arresting that decline. Our squad is abysmal, lit up by a couple of loan players who surely won’t be here next year.

What does anyone see in the group of players contracted for next season that makes them think we have the bones of a top 4 squad? For this shower of pish to be top 4 will require 6 or 7 players to come in and be our best players - and the flawed and inconsistent players we kid on are good enough to be part of a good Hibs side relegated down the pecking order a good bit.

We’re in a mess. Top 6 next season is a reasonable aim, even though it shouldn’t be.

Agree with that the inconsistency of this group is bizarre and players generally considered to be good do a good job regularly of showing they really aren’t irrespective of who tells them to play where.

[JimBHibees]

Was at a recent sponsors evening at Gaucho so you wont find it in any interviews.

Question and Answer session.

Q - Nick, we are all really disappointed, like yourself that we didn't finish higher in the league. if you're at the same event next year, what would you see as an achievement for next season.

A - His word were - "Get to a cup final and finish in the top 6" Throw in a couple of yehs and yeh you knows.

Don’t see a huge issue in that to be honest.

[Slim Shady]

Don’t see a huge issue in that to be honest.

I do.

And so did majority of the room.

With our resources in comparasion to the rest of the league we should be aiming a lot higher!
So scraping a top 6 next season, no euro qualifcation is an achievement.

Not for me!

[flash]

I do.

And so did majority of the room.

With our resources in comparasion to the rest of the league we should be aiming a lot higher!
So scraping a top 6 next season, no euro qualifcation is an achievement.

Not for me!

He doesn't say scrape a top 6 finish though does he?

Incidentally how can he aim any higher than top 6?

[JimBHibees]

I do.

And so did majority of the room.

With our resources in comparasion to the rest of the league we should be aiming a lot higher!
So scraping a top 6 next season, no euro qualifcation is an achievement.

Not for me!

Fair enough. Top 6 could be top 4 also of course. 😊 Not sure he could have answered that question in a way everyone could be happy with given we had just failed to get top 6.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Don’t see a huge issue in that to be honest.

are sponsors really that blunt? I’m trying to recall the Q&A s courtesy of Hibs.net but seem to recall them being in the stadium - was a few nights ago?

[JimBHibees]

are sponsors really that blunt? I’m trying to recall the Q&A s courtesy of Hibs.net but seem to recall them being in the stadium - was a few nights ago?

Not sure wasn’t there don’t think on the face of it an unfair question though unlikely going to be an answer everyone happy with

[easty]

Don’t see a huge issue in that to be honest.

It’d be like Vente saying he’d see 10 goals as an achievement next season.

It’s better than this season but it’s not good enough.

[easty]

He doesn't say scrape a top 6 finish though does he?

Incidentally how can he aim any higher than top 6?

5th, 4th, 3rd.

He could say Hibs are a club who should be qualifying for Europe.

[bingo70]

FWIW I don’t care what he says at these events. I think it’s tricky trying say the right things when you’re struggling as a manager, everyone is trying to catch you out. If he’d said European football, people would have scoffed saying he needs to get the top 6 before worrying about European football.

I don’t think he’s the right manager for us based on what’s happening on the park. I think it must be incredibly easy to say the wrong thing when put on the spot though. He’s probably going through a bit of a crisis in confidence as well, it’s the first time he’s struggled as a manager, which won’t help him relax in awkward situations.

I think he’s probably a really good guy, trying his best, but it’s just not worked out which happens sometimes. I’ve no great desire to try and catch him out for saying the wrong things when it doesn’t really matter what he says at a sponsors event.

[Smartie]

I do.

And so did majority of the room.

With our resources in comparasion to the rest of the league we should be aiming a lot higher!
So scraping a top 6 next season, no euro qualifcation is an achievement.

Not for me!

Given how much of our budget is going to be tied up paying players who are absolutely nowhere near top 6 standard, I think we’re a few years away from being in a position where our resources actually available to improve the squad are all that impressive relative to our rivals.

[flash]

5th, 4th, 3rd.

He could say Hibs are a club who should be qualifying for Europe.

I know but it's just semantics isn't it?

If we finish in the top 6 we will be in the mix for Europe.

[Winston Ingram]

The Terrace Podcast have absolutely piled into him this week, saying he should have been sacked at least 15 times by now.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/49jRYX6PFdkr9Zt5DZ1zjy?si=cd935af237c2430e

I rate the Terrace as a podcast (not the TV program, which is pish) as unlike mainstream media here, it actually does analysis on all the games and don't just offer half-arsed baseless opinions like those on Sky or Sportscene.

[Lago]

The Terrace Podcast have absolutely piled into him this week, saying he should have been sacked at least 15 times by now.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/49jRYX6PFdkr9Zt5DZ1zjy?si=cd935af237c2430e

I rate the Terrace as a podcast (not the TV program, which is pish) as unlike mainstream media here, it actually does analysis on all the games and don't just offer half-arsed baseless opinions like those on Sky or Sportscene.
Never heard of it

[Since452]

The Terrace Podcast have absolutely piled into him this week, saying he should have been sacked at least 15 times by now.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/49jRYX6PFdkr9Zt5DZ1zjy?si=cd935af237c2430e

I rate the Terrace as a podcast (not the TV program, which is pish) as unlike mainstream media here, it actually does analysis on all the games and don't just offer half-arsed baseless opinions like those on Sky or Sportscene.

The only people that reckon he shouldn't be sacked are some Hibs fans. My mates who support other teams can't believe he hasn't been emptied.

[bingo70]

The Terrace Podcast have absolutely piled into him this week, saying he should have been sacked at least 15 times by now.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/49jRYX6PFdkr9Zt5DZ1zjy?si=cd935af237c2430e

I rate the Terrace as a podcast (not the TV program, which is pish) as unlike mainstream media here, it actually does analysis on all the games and don't just offer half-arsed baseless opinions like those on Sky or Sportscene.

Ouch.

Not sure it really did too much analysis though. The young players they mentioned are mostly out on loan and I’m surprised they weren’t able to name David Gray as being on the coaching staff with no links to Monty.

It was interesting to hear their perception of the statement though. My gut feeling was the same as there’s when I first read it, i did start to come round to the school of thought that if they were going to sack him they would have, I’ve come round full circle again though and agree with them that he’s away in all but name.

Their comparison with Aberdeen was interesting and fair, they’ve started planning for next year already, we appear to still be pissing about with vague generic statements as to what will happen next season. Since then we also appear to be excluding Montgomery quotes on statements you’d normally expect to hear from the manager, like on the Hanlon/Stevenson release yesterday.

We really do need to make the call now, either back him (wouldn’t be my choice) or sack him. One way or the other we need to get clarity as to what’s happening next season.

It’s actually really unfair on Montgomery doing it this way.

[Heisenberg]

Ouch.

Not sure it really did too much analysis though. The young players they mentioned are mostly out on loan and I’m surprised they weren’t able to name David Gray as being on the coaching staff with no links to Monty.

It was interesting to hear their perception of the statement though. My gut feeling was the same as there’s when I first read it, i did start to come round to the school of thought that if they were going to sack him they would have, I’ve come round full circle again though and agree with them that he’s away in all but name.

Their comparison with Aberdeen was interesting and fair, they’ve started planning for next year already, we appear to still be pissing about with vague generic statements as to what will happen next season. Since then we also appear to be excluding Montgomery quotes on statements you’d normally expect to hear from the manager, like on the Hanlon/Stevenson release yesterday.

We really do need to make the call now, either back him (wouldn’t be my choice) or sack him. One way or the other we need to get clarity as to what’s happening next season.

It’s actually really unfair on Montgomery doing it this way.

I really don’t see the sense in keeping him on for the bottom six fixtures if he wasn’t staying. Punting him after Motherwell made the most sense and for some reason we ended up with that vague statement and no one knows what’s happening.

As you say, it’s ***** on Montgomery having to continually face the music in front of some extremely pissed off fans every week. It also can’t be helping our recruitment for next season, what player is going to want to commit to us at the moment?

[Winston Ingram]

Ouch.

Not sure it really did too much analysis though. The young players they mentioned are mostly out on loan and I’m surprised they weren’t able to name David Gray as being on the coaching staff with no links to Monty.

It was interesting to hear their perception of the statement though. My gut feeling was the same as there’s when I first read it, i did start to come round to the school of thought that if they were going to sack him they would have, I’ve come round full circle again though and agree with them that he’s away in all but name.

Their comparison with Aberdeen was interesting and fair, they’ve started planning for next year already, we appear to still be pissing about with vague generic statements as to what will happen next season. Since then we also appear to be excluding Montgomery quotes on statements you’d normally expect to hear from the manager, like on the Hanlon/Stevenson release yesterday.

We really do need to make the call now, either back him (wouldn’t be my choice) or sack him. One way or the other we need to get clarity as to what’s happening next season.

It’s actually really unfair on Montgomery doing it this way.

The analysis has been discussed in all the previous episodes tbf. These guys are well aware of how we've been playing and his part in it.

I've been up and down with it as well thinking they'll keep him but if it is proper review, there is no way he'll survive. I have no idea why we are waiting. I can only assume it's cash related.

[Winston Ingram]

The only people that reckon he shouldn't be sacked are some Hibs fans. My mates who support other teams can't believe he hasn't been emptied.

Chris Sutton doesn't think he should be sacked and neither does James McFadden but they've barely seen us kick a ball this season.

All my Jambo mates are desperate for him to stay.

[B.H.F.C]

I really don’t see the sense in keeping him on for the bottom six fixtures if he wasn’t staying. Punting him after Motherwell made the most sense and for some reason we ended up with that vague statement and no one knows what’s happening.

As you say, it’s ***** on Montgomery having to continually face the music in front of some extremely pissed off fans every week. It also can’t be helping our recruitment for next season, what player is going to want to commit to us at the moment?

The bottom six fixtures really shouldn’t be the basis for their decision. It’s time they confirmed what will be happening one way or the other.

If he’s going, which he should, tell us. If they intend to keep him, be clear about it and tell us why.

I just feel like we’re wasting time now.

[Donegal Hibby]

5th, 4th, 3rd.

He could say Hibs are a club who should be qualifying for Europe.

That could be finishing in top 6 too though , couldn't it ?

[bingo70]

Chris Sutton doesn't think he should be sacked and neither does James McFadden but they've barely seen us kick a ball this season.

All my Jambo mates are desperate for him to stay.

I wonder if Chris Sutton would be so patient with an underperforming Celtic manager?

[easty]

That could be finishing in top 6 too though , couldn't it ?

So if he’d said top 10 that’d be fine too, cos that could mean qualifying for Europe tae.

He should’ve just said get past the first round of the cup too, cos that could mean win it as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So if he’d said top 10 that’d be fine too, cos that could mean qualifying for Europe tae.

He should’ve just said get past the first round of the cup too, cos that could mean win it as well.

:agree:

Saying top 6 is an achievement is an acceptance that 6th place is an achievement. 6th place simply wouldn’t be good enough. If you were talking about 3rd or 4th place, then you’d have said top 3 or top 4.

[Slim Shady]

I know but it's just semantics isn't it?

If we finish in the top 6 we will be in the mix for Europe.

If we had finished in the top 6 by beating Motherwell we wouldnt have been in the mix for Europe.
On current showing we wouldnt have won another match against the top 5 .

[flash]

Chris Sutton doesn't think he should be sacked and neither does James McFadden but they've barely seen us kick a ball this season.

All my Jambo mates are desperate for him to stay.

In the interests of balance we all wanted Naismith to stay not that long ago.

[flash]

If we had finished in the top 6 by beating Motherwell we wouldnt have been in the mix for Europe.
On current showing we wouldnt have won another match against the top 5 .

We would only be 2 points behind St Mirren who are 4th so not sure how you have worked that one out.

[easty]

We would only be 2 points behind St Mirren who are 4th so not sure how you have worked that one out.

St Mirren are 5th

[flash]

St Mirren are 5th

Oops they are indeed. Should have went for the sneaky edit and covered myself.

[eastmainsmsh]

Anyone think it could be Mutual at end of season ?

[JimBHibees]

If we had finished in the top 6 by beating Motherwell we wouldnt have been in the mix for Europe.
On current showing we wouldnt have won another match against the top 5 .

Think we would have been two points behind St Mirren if beating Well so clearly would have been in the mix.

[Brightside]

The Terrace Podcast have absolutely piled into him this week, saying he should have been sacked at least 15 times by now.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/49jRYX6PFdkr9Zt5DZ1zjy?si=cd935af237c2430e

I rate the Terrace as a podcast (not the TV program, which is pish) as unlike mainstream media here, it actually does analysis on all the games and don't just offer half-arsed baseless opinions like those on Sky or Sportscene.

I'm ok with ignoring anything the Terrace Podcast say.

[Donegal Hibby]

So if he’d said top 10 that’d be fine too, cos that could mean qualifying for Europe tae.

He should’ve just said get past the first round of the cup too, cos that could mean win it as well.

I have don't think I've heard anyone refer to finishing in the top 10 in our league to often , it's normally top 6 or bottom 6 that most refer to about our league. Maybe English premier I've heard that term or going back further top of the pops .

Top 6 can range between 3rd , 4th , 5th or 6th , according to the poster who put it up he also mentions getting to a cup final . Don't think there's anything at all wrong with what he said in fairness.

[Donegal Hibby]

Anyone think it could be Mutual at end of season ?

Strange if it is when they are after announcing two of our longest serving players are leaving.

[One Day Soon]

The willingness of some to indulge in semantics or attempt to give his words meanings they either didn’t have (or if they did have then they could and probably would have been expressed in a much more clear and simple way) is quite something.

If he’d meant Europe he’d have said it. If he’d meant top 4 he’d have said it. If he’d meant challenging for top four he’d have said it. If he’d meant third he’d have said it - certainly Ron Gordon and the new guys had no difficulty being clear about that.

He said top 6 and that’s what he meant. We’re not talking Eric Cantona here, this is a very straightforward guy who doesn’t use fancy language. So I think that when he talks about jubilation, being happy with 1-1, being very close to whatever he thinks good is and finishing top 6 then he means what he’s saying on the tin. Unfortunately.

[TrinityHFC]

Strange if it is when they are after announcing two of our longest serving players are leaving.

I don’t see the link.

[A Hi-Bee]

Anyone think it could be Mutual at end of season ?

Is that the new name for Easter Road?
:greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

The willingness of some to indulge in semantics or attempt to give his words meanings they either didn’t have (or if they did have then they could and probably would have been expressed in a much more clear and simple way) is quite something.

If he’d meant Europe he’d have said it. If he’d meant top 4 he’d have said it. If he’d meant challenging for top four he’d have said it. If he’d meant third he’d have said it - certainly Ron Gordon and the new guys had no difficulty being clear about that.

He said top 6 and that’s what he meant. We’re not talking Eric Cantona here, this is a very straightforward guy who doesn’t use fancy language. So I think that when he talks about jubilation, being happy with 1-1, being very close to whatever he thinks good is and finishing top 6 then he means what he’s saying on the tin. Unfortunately.

:agree:

Can you imagine a Celtic manager saying he wants to get top 6? And then when questioned on it he goes ‘aye, but 1st place is top 6, so what’s the problem?’.

Absolute nonsense. If folk think top 6 is an acceptable target for our manager then that’s up to them. Let’s not pretend when he said top 6 he wasn’t including 5th and 6th place though.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t see the link.

Why not let the new manager assess them if our current ones going at the end of the season , it's much the same as letting our current one sign some players ( which we might have ) when he's going anyhow , no ? .

[Since452]

:agree:

Can you imagine a Celtic manager saying he wants to get top 6? And then when questioned on it he goes ‘aye, but 1st place is top 6, so what’s the problem?’.

Absolute nonsense. If folk think top 6 is an acceptable target for our manager then that’s up to them. Let’s not pretend when he said top 6 he wasn’t including 5th and 6th place though.

Finishing top 6 and finishing 6th would also be an embarrassment. Just getting into the top 6 isn't any kind of achievement. Montgomery has shown what he thinks is acceptable by comments he's made on a few occasions now and it isn't.

[TrinityHFC]

Why not let the new manager assess them if our current ones going at the end of the season , it's much the same as letting our current one sign some players ( which we might have ) when he's going anyhow , no ? .

We have a Head Coach.

Some things aren’t just down to him or whoever the Head Coach might be next season.

The players will also have had a big say on what they want to do next.

It is completely conceivable that we can make decisions on players and also decide to change members of the coaching staff.

[Donegal Hibby]

We have a Head Coach.

Some things aren’t just down to him or whoever the Head Coach might be next season.

The players will also have had a big say on what they want to do next.

It is completely conceivable that we can make decisions on players and also decide to change members of the coaching staff.

Surely getting rid of players and hiring them the manager would have a major say in though.

Of course players have a say on what they do next too though I do think both players want to continue playing as long as they can and it comes down to the lack of game time they've had under our current manager , if he's going at the end of the season and a new one coming that could have changed to a degree .

Hiring players before a new manager was appointed that might not fit into the way he wants to play would also be a strange move .

Maybe that's what's got us into the mess we find ourselves in .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-departure-of-legends-scottish-cup-winners-4620210

[Greenworld]

Surely getting rid of players and hiring them the manager would have a major say in though.

Of course players have a say on what they do next too though I do think both players want to continue playing as long as they can and it comes down to the lack of game time they've had under our current manager , if he's going at the end of the season and a new one coming that could have changed to a degree .

Hiring players before a new manager was appointed that might not fit into the way he wants to play would also be a strange move .

Maybe that's what's got us into the mess we find ourselves in .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-departure-of-legends-scottish-cup-winners-4620210A great point how would monty fair with players that can play the style he wants and fits with the Black knights vision

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[TrinityHFC]

Surely getting rid of players and hiring them the manager would have a major say in though.

Of course players have a say on what they do next too though I do think both players want to continue playing as long as they can and it comes down to the lack of game time they've had under our current manager , if he's going at the end of the season and a new one coming that could have changed to a degree .

Hiring players before a new manager was appointed that might not fit into the way he wants to play would also be a strange move .

Maybe that's what's got us into the mess we find ourselves in .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-departure-of-legends-scottish-cup-winners-4620210

So are you arguing that if we have any intention of getting in a new Head Coach that we should keep every player at the club and include renewing the contracts of players who are out of contract?

That would be stupidity. There are some decisions that are ‘no regrets’ regardless of who will be coaching them next year.

[worcesterhibby]

Finishing top 6 and finishing 6th would also be an embarrassment. Just getting into the top 6 isn't any kind of achievement. Montgomery has shown what he thinks is acceptable by comments he's made on a few occasions now and it isn't.

We should be careful about delusions of grandeur! We have the 5th biggest budget in the league, so by rights if we ever end up higher than 5th we are over achieving. Coming 6th with the 5th biggest budget is hardly horrific failure and in fact it looks like we will come 7th..not great, but we've done much worse, many times in the past. of course we all want to be competing at the top end of the table every season, and maybe new money from Foley will help us achieve that. We have no divine right to be top 4 though.. it takes, cash, hard work, a good manager and a bit of good luck and fair refereeing.

[JimBHibees]

We should be careful about delusions of grandeur! We have the 5th biggest budget in the league, so by rights if we ever end up higher than 5th we are over achieving. Coming 6th with the 5th biggest budget is hardly horrific failure and in fact it looks like we will come 7th..not great, but we've done much worse, many times in the past. of course we all want to be competing at the top end of the table every season, and maybe new money from Foley will help us achieve that. We have no divine right to be top 4 though.. it takes, cash, hard work, a good manager and a bit of good luck and fair refereeing.

Good post

[Centre Hawf]

Surely getting rid of players and hiring them the manager would have a major say in though.

Of course players have a say on what they do next too though I do think both players want to continue playing as long as they can and it comes down to the lack of game time they've had under our current manager , if he's going at the end of the season and a new one coming that could have changed to a degree .

Hiring players before a new manager was appointed that might not fit into the way he wants to play would also be a strange move .

Maybe that's what's got us into the mess we find ourselves in .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-departure-of-legends-scottish-cup-winners-4620210

I think this goes back to what I was saying in another thread DH in regards to the manager only having a couple of his own players and needs to sign more of his own before he can be judged. It just doesn't work like that anymore. The clubs footballing department as a whole will have decided that it's time to move the pair on (Ian, Brian, Ben, probably input from Monty).

[Stuart93]

We should be careful about delusions of grandeur! We have the 5th biggest budget in the league, so by rights if we ever end up higher than 5th we are over achieving. Coming 6th with the 5th biggest budget is hardly horrific failure and in fact it looks like we will come 7th..not great, but we've done much worse, many times in the past. of course we all want to be competing at the top end of the table every season, and maybe new money from Foley will help us achieve that. We have no divine right to be top 4 though.. it takes, cash, hard work, a good manager and a bit of good luck and fair refereeing.

6th/7th place is a horrific failure when killie, st mirren and dundee are finishing above you.

I wouldn’t be too hurt if we were finishing 5th if a very good hearts and Aberdeen team were finishing above us but that’s not the case. Hearts aren’t even a very good side this season but they’re decent. That’s all they’ve had to be to run away with third

[blackpoolhibs]

We should be careful about delusions of grandeur! We have the 5th biggest budget in the league, so by rights if we ever end up higher than 5th we are over achieving. Coming 6th with the 5th biggest budget is hardly horrific failure and in fact it looks like we will come 7th..not great, but we've done much worse, many times in the past. of course we all want to be competing at the top end of the table every season, and maybe new money from Foley will help us achieve that. We have no divine right to be top 4 though.. it takes, cash, hard work, a good manager and a bit of good luck and fair refereeing.
I dont think its having delusions of grandour to want Hibs to imrove on our 5th place finish last season, even matching it would get Europe again.

[Donegal Hibby]

So are you arguing that if we have any intention of getting in a new Head Coach that we should keep every player at the club and include renewing the contracts of players who are out of contract?

That would be stupidity. There are some decisions that are ‘no regrets’ regardless of who will be coaching them next year.

I'm saying if the manager is going and a new one coming in he'd probably want to assess the squad and form his own opinions .

The statement now with 3 games to go is possibly a indication that current manager has had a major say on both players leaving in they've probably being told that their game time would be very limited again next season.

For what it's worth imo there's more than just Hanlon, Lewy and Alf that's know they are not part of our plans next season , probably players under contract as well and we are probably already eyeing players now if not got some tied up already.

If we are going to be going to the process of recruiting a new manager again which might happen . I think there is far more stupidity on our behalf if we are starting to release and sign players when we don't know who the manager will be next season .

[Basildon Hibs]

Anyone think it could be Mutual at end of season ?

Probably. But hopefully before then.

[Real Emerald]

Does anyone think the fans of any other Scottish Premiership club would willingly swap their current manager for Nick Montgomery next season? I personally don’t even think the teams being relegated would take him TBH.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think this goes back to what I was saying in another thread DH in regards to the manager only having a couple of his own players and needs to sign more of his own before he can be judged. It just doesn't work like that anymore. The clubs footballing department as a whole will have decided that it's time to move the pair on (Ian, Brian, Ben, probably input from Monty).

I think the input Monty would have had on this is probably bigger than some think . I don't actually believe the manager has really had enough time to recruit his own players TBH , might be wrong though I think he will be wanting players of high energy , fairly young with pace , NMW fits this category to a tee I think.

Probably totally and utterly wrong here though if we were going to end Monty's reign the time to do it was after the Motherwell game to allow another manager time to assess the players . That hasn't been done.

Which brings us to the Hibs statement part " results need to improve " which I thought might mean he's been given the last 5 games to improve results though I don't particularly see the point in this in all honesty .

With the announcement of two legends and Alf leaving and I do believe others have been told they aren't part of our plans as well . I think besides what some think in he might leave at the end of the season , I think there's also a possibility we might stick with him for next season too .

[WhileTheChief..]

The willingness of some to indulge in semantics or attempt to give his words meanings they either didn’t have (or if they did have then they could and probably would have been expressed in a much more clear and simple way) is quite something.

If he’d meant Europe he’d have said it. If he’d meant top 4 he’d have said it. If he’d meant challenging for top four he’d have said it. If he’d meant third he’d have said it - certainly Ron Gordon and the new guys had no difficulty being clear about that.

He said top 6 and that’s what he meant. We’re not talking Eric Cantona here, this is a very straightforward guy who doesn’t use fancy language. So I think that when he talks about jubilation, being happy with 1-1, being very close to whatever he thinks good is and finishing top 6 then he means what he’s saying on the tin. Unfortunately.

:agree:

The arguments in favour of keeping NM have never been particularly strong but some folk are really scraping the bottom now.

It's clear as day what he meant. Top 6 means top 6, not challenging for 3rd and a Euro spot.

[Unseen work]

After every defeat I’m wanting Monty gone.

But when I reflect and watch the game back half the time I think what on earth is he meant to do about Rocky’s mistake and Wollacotts pass for example.

The player recruitment needs to improve ten fold this summer. It’s irrelevant if it’s Montgomery or a new manager if we still have players who make some of the shambolic and basic mistakes we have this season.

One of my fears with Monty is it looks like we’ll lose Maolida, Marcondes and Youan this summer. If you struggle winning games by outshooting teams with those 3 then I fear to see what happens when the leave.

[JohnM1875]

Going by the latest email ‘behind the goals’ sales aren’t going to plan. Now offering folk who have already renewed the chance to upgrade. And also offering a 5 payment option.

Poor performances already having an effect on sales.

[Centre Hawf]

I think the input Monty would have had on this is probably bigger than some think . I don't actually believe the manager has really had enough time to recruit his own players TBH , might be wrong though I think he will be wanting players of high energy , fairly young with pace , NMW fits this category to a tee I think.

Probably totally and utterly wrong here though if we were going to end Monty's reign the time to do it was after the Motherwell game to allow another manager time to assess the players . That hasn't been done.

Which brings us to the Hibs statement part " results need to improve " which I thought might mean he's been given the last 5 games to improve results though I don't particularly see the point in this in all honesty .

With the announcement of two legends and Alf leaving and I do believe others have been told they aren't part of our plans as well . I think besides what some think in he might leave at the end of the season , I think there's also a possibility we might stick with him for next season too .

He'll have had input in some way of course, but I honestly wouldn't hold much weight to the idea that the manager is going to be as crucial in the squad building process as you think.

[Real Emerald]

Going by the latest email ‘behind the goals’ sales aren’t going to plan. Now offering folk who have already renewed the chance to upgrade. And also offering a 5 payment option.

Poor performances already having an effect on sales.

Imagine paying £800 for access to a pay bar to watch the football under Monty and to add insult to injury be directly above the inane singing and drum. I’d rather pay more to be away from it. I can’t see any of the FF working in its current new form right now. Maybe a great team on the park would sugar coat it a bit.

[Winston Ingram]

In the interests of balance we all wanted Naismith to stay not that long ago.

That was after about 5 or 6 league games. This is after 30.

[wookie70]

Imagine paying £800 for access to a pay bar to watch the football under Monty and to add insult to injury be directly above the inane singing and drum. I’d rather pay more to be away from it. I can’t see any of the FF working in its current new form right now. Maybe a great team on the park would sugar coat it a bit. Agreed, I got why trying a singing section behind the goals was a decent idea. However paying for a standing area is just peeing money away. The reputation of Block 7 is terrible at present but even if they were behaved the drum noise is about the last title track I want to hear at a game particularly if I am paying that much. We generally do well in making decent Corporate decisions but none of these ideas have been thought through

[Donegal Hibby]

He'll have had input in some way of course, but I honestly wouldn't hold much weight to the idea that the manager is going to be as crucial in the squad building process as you think.

I do think it was clear early on that he wasn't keen on both players which showed in their lack of game time and has lead to the decision both are to move on which for me suggests the manager has had a fairly big say on it .

I would have thought the manager would be the first one to say what players don't fit in with how he wants to play and what type of players he would want to suit the way he wants his team to play and then it's up to the recruitment in trying to move on or get players in .

I really don't believe that Monty's signing targets would be what some other managers would want , just the same as I think some of the previous 3 managers signings are what Monty wants either.

Lots of work to do though I do hope the manager has more of a say in it than you think or we could be going down the route like last summer's recruitment.

Something i agree with about our squad .
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/05/08/youre-never-former-hibernian-man-bemoans-constant-player-turnover-at-hibs/643071/

[Winston Ingram]

Going by the latest email ‘behind the goals’ sales aren’t going to plan. Now offering folk who have already renewed the chance to upgrade. And also offering a 5 payment option.

Poor performances already having an effect on sales.

That’s no surprise. If the seat release was at its usual time I probably wouldn’t have renewed my ST. Dreading watching this clown stumble through another season.

[easty]

That’s no surprise. If the seat release was at its usual time I probably wouldn’t have renewed my ST. Dreading watching this clown stumble through another season.

He won’t be here. He’ll be emptied. Surely.

[JimBHibees]

Does anyone think the fans of any other Scottish Premiership club would willingly swap their current manager for Nick Montgomery next season? I personally don’t even think the teams being relegated would take him TBH.

Livi and St Johnstone

[JimBHibees]

After every defeat I’m wanting Monty gone.

But when I reflect and watch the game back half the time I think what on earth is he meant to do about Rocky’s mistake and Wollacotts pass for example.

The player recruitment needs to improve ten fold this summer. It’s irrelevant if it’s Montgomery or a new manager if we still have players who make some of the shambolic and basic mistakes we have this season.

One of my fears with Monty is it looks like we’ll lose Maolida, Marcondes and Youan this summer. If you struggle winning games by outshooting teams with those 3 then I fear to see what happens when the leave.

Totally agree the individual mistakes have been ridiculous as have the refereeing decisions.

[easty]

Livi and St Johnstone

I feel like they’d be making a massive mistake if they would take him. Monty apparently needs to get his own players in who can play his system before he can get a tune out of a team. He cannae work with what he has and improve them.

He’d have even more work to do at those teams in the transfer market than he does here!

[Real Emerald]

Livi and St Johnstone

Martindale has done wonders at Livi over the years and had some incredible results. I would doubt Monty could have managed that and I’m not sure Livi fans would do a swap, St Johnstone is maybe though. 😁

[badabing67]

In the interests of balance we all wanted Naismith to stay not that long ago.

When Shankland goes he won't be far behind

[Chorley Hibee]

He won’t be here. He’ll be emptied. Surely.

With each passing day I'm beginning to think that these clowns think they can ride this storm out.

My worry is that things might have to get even worse before they get better.

[Donegal Hibby]

Totally agree the individual mistakes have been ridiculous as have the refereeing decisions.

Some have said and maybe their right that Monty should be getting more out of our players though when you think about it how many haven't actually come in for criticism on here . Two keepers have , all our CHs have , all our FBs have , midfielders of Newell , Levitt, Campbell , Marcondes etc have , maybe Triantis and NMW haven't . Strikers/ wingers ,Vente , Boyle , Youan , Jair have , maybe Alf and Maolida haven't. Not really many haven't ! .

[Saint Hibee]

With each passing day I'm beginning to think that these clowns think they can ride this storm out.

My worry is that things might have to get even worse before they get better.

I fear that this scenario is becoming increasingly likely.

[The Tubs]

He comes out with way more pish than Johnson:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/resilience-is-a-great-word-we-need-to-do-more-than-just-talk-about-it-hibs-pressure-4620676

Talking about not just talking about it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He comes out with way more pish than Johnson:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/resilience-is-a-great-word-we-need-to-do-more-than-just-talk-about-it-hibs-pressure-4620676

Talking about not just talking about it.

I couldn’t really care less what pish they come out with. That being said, Johnson would have got slaughtered for coming out with that by some.

[GreenCastle]

He comes out with way more pish than Johnson:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/resilience-is-a-great-word-we-need-to-do-more-than-just-talk-about-it-hibs-pressure-4620676

Talking about not just talking about it.

He’s talking like he will be here in summer.

Also why don’t we sign players with resilience.

If they can’t cope with the pressure of being at Hibs and the fan base then they aren’t the right fit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s talking like he will be here in summer.

Also why don’t we sign players with resilience.

If they can’t cope with the pressure of being at Hibs and the fan base then they aren’t the right fit.

As it stands he is here for 2 more years. Until he’s told differently, he’ll talk like he’ll be here 2 more years.

I wouldn’t read into the fact he’s discussing being here in the summer. Whether he stays or goes won’t be his decision.

[bingo70]

As it stands he is here for 2 more years. Until he’s told differently, he’ll talk like he’ll be here 2 more years.

I wouldn’t read into the fact he’s discussing being here in the summer. Whether he stays or goes won’t be his decision.

Really do need to back him or sack him soon.

Regardless of its intention, that statement created uncertainty. My choice would be to sack him but if the club decide to back him then fine, let’s start building for next year.

I think we are a rudderless ship at the moment and clarity is needed, for everyone.

[Nicho87]

I’m uncomfortable enough with him talking about hibs in general

Never mind having a say in two club legends moving on from the club all together

Something doesn’t quite sit right that in 2 weeks time he could be emptied himself

[Unseen work]

The psychology chat is so tiresome, next they’ll be phoning in the army and putting us through a boot camp.

We can speak about psychology, resilience etc but it’s just a lack of quality.

Sign better players and our form and ‘resilience’ will improve.

[SteveHFC]

I’ll be surprised if he’s still our manager at the start of June.

[One Day Soon]

With each passing day I'm beginning to think that these clowns think they can ride this storm out.

My worry is that things might have to get even worse before they get better.


Ian Gordon is apparently the Head of our Football Department. What experience does he have that would qualify him for this role?

This quote is from Ben Kensell in the Evening News on 4 May 2023, about Ian Gordon: "He will definitely work with me more closely, shadowing me, and I'll be guiding him through how you run a club." In what way is Kensell qualified to know how to run a football club?

This is Nick Montgomery in the Evening News yesterday: "Obviously coming in mid-season, it’s hard to implement stuff". He didn't come in mid-season, in fact he's been in charge for almost the entire league campaign.

We are so ****ed.

[Forza Fred]

I’m uncomfortable enough with him talking about hibs in general

Never mind having a say in two club legends moving on from the club all together

Something doesn’t quite sit right that in 2 weeks time he could be emptied himself

I’ve criticised some of Monty’s decisions, but it’s difficult to see why he deserves criticism for a decision that most knew for a long time was coming at the end of this season….with many calling for it…..regardless of who was in charge.

Not having a go at you, but it seems as if some criticise him now, just for the sake of being critical of him.

[easty]

This is Nick Montgomery in the Evening News yesterday: "Obviously coming in mid-season, it’s hard to implement stuff". He didn't come in mid-season, in fact he's been in charge for almost the entire league campaign.


Embarrassing. Mid-season? We’d played 4 league games before he came in!

[Nicho87]

I’ve criticised some of Monty’s decisions, but it’s difficult to see why he deserves criticism for a decision that most knew for a long time was coming at the end of this season….with many calling for it…..regardless of who was in charge.

Not having a go at you, but it seems as if some criticise him now, just for the sake of being critical of him.

Not taking it personally at all

However more so with Hanlon I still think he has another year with plenty to offer
New manager May wanted to keep him

[flash]

Whilst he clearly came in early season the rest of that interview is absolutely fine as far as I can see.

He actually discusses and acknowledges some of the very same failings that we have all been moaning about on here.

Unfortunately once a support decides a manager isn't for them he can't say as much as "Good Morning" without the vultures picking at his every syllable.

If Mowbray or Lennon had come out with exactly the same interview it would have been salivated over by the same people ridiculing it today.

[SHODAN]

Just had a dream we drew with Hearts after being four up with 20 minutes to go. Monty out.

[Unseen work]

Just had a dream we drew with Hearts after being four up with 20 minutes to go. Monty out.

The worst part about that is it’s 100% something we would do

[easty]

Whilst he clearly came in early season the rest of that interview is absolutely fine as far as I can see.

He actually discusses and acknowledges some of the very same failings that we have all been moaning about on here.

Unfortunately once a support decides a manager isn't for them he can't say as much as "Good Morning" without the vultures picking at his every syllable.

It’s easy to discuss and acknowledge failings, which is why we all do it on here despite not being football managers.

Dealing with them is his job, and that’s what he’s not done.

[flash]

It’s easy to discuss and acknowledge failings, which is why we all do it on here despite not being football managers.

Dealing with them is his job, and that’s what he’s not done.

No argument from me on that.

[Winston Ingram]

Whilst he clearly came in early season the rest of that interview is absolutely fine as far as I can see.

He actually discusses and acknowledges some of the very same failings that we have all been moaning about on here.

Unfortunately once a support decides a manager isn't for them he can't say as much as "Good Morning" without the vultures picking at his every syllable.

If Mowbray or Lennon had come out with exactly the same interview it would have been salivated over by the same people ridiculing it today.

What a nonsense statement. If they had just ****ed up their first season as badly as he has, they'd get exactly the same stick as Monty.

[One Day Soon]

It’s easy to discuss and acknowledge failings, which is why we all do it on here despite not being football managers.

Dealing with them is his job, and that’s what he’s not done.

Yup. Perhaps he should consider a news reader role instead, narrating what's just happened as though it's his job to describe it rather than fix it.

[flash]

What a nonsense statement. If they had just ****ed up their first season as badly as he has, they'd get exactly the same stick as Monty.

Point missed completely.

It's not about him getting stick. It's about the forensic analysis and subsequent ridiculing of everything he says.

The complete inability, or unwillingness, of so many people to recognise either nuance or context.

[Brightside]

He’s talking like he will be here in summer.

Also why don’t we sign players with resilience.

If they can’t cope with the pressure of being at Hibs and the fan base then they aren’t the right fit.

He will be here in the summer

[One Day Soon]

He will be here in the summer

Is this based on inside knowledge or the power of very confident assertion? If it is inside knowledge then the club really should be making it unquestionably clear that he's staying for everyone's sake, not least his.

[jeffers]

Point missed completely.

It's not about him getting stick. It's about the forensic analysis and subsequent ridiculing of everything he says.

The complete inability, or unwillingness, of so many people to recognise either nuance or context.

I don’t disagree. The trouble is he has no credit in the bank, and doesn’t then help himself by claiming he came in mid season. Just comes across as an excuse to me.

[Brightside]

I don’t disagree. The trouble is he has no credit in the bank, and doesn’t then help himself by claiming he came in mid season. Just comes across as an excuse to me.

He didn't come in before the window, and had no time with the team before the start of the season. Its a pretty good excuse tbf. I'm looking forward to what he brings in over the summer.

[BILLYHIBS]

Based on recent results his position must now be untenable as they now must be worse than Johnson and Maloney

For the love of Christ put the poor man out of his misery looks to have lost the plot and the Dressing Room ( Haven’t heard one player backing him )

Enough is enough

[Brightside]

Is this based on inside knowledge or the power of very confident assertion? If it is inside knowledge then the club really should be making it unquestionably clear that he's staying for everyone's sake, not least his.

Based on what has been said at all the recent functions / sponsors nights etc.

[flash]

He didn't come in before the window, and had no time with the team before the start of the season. Its a pretty good excuse tbf. I'm looking forward to what he brings in over the summer.

There is certainly going to be a major overhaul so if it's him in charge there will be nowhere to hide if things don't improve pretty quickly.

The League Cup section simply has to be negotiated safely for starters.

[One Day Soon]

Based on recent results his position must now be untenable as they now must be worse than Johnson and Maloney

For the love of Christ put the poor man out of his misery looks to have lost the plot and the Dressing Room ( Haven’t heard one player backing him )

Enough is enough


You with your facts and that...

[flash]

Based on recent results his position must now be untenable as they now must be worse than Johnson and Maloney

For the love of Christ put the poor man out of his misery looks to have lost the plot and the Dressing Room ( Haven’t heard one player backing him )

Enough is enough

I feel like King Canute at times, which is strange because I don't even particularly want him to stay, but several players have recently stuck up for the management team and blamed themselves for our failure to make the top 6.

[One Day Soon]

Based on what has been said at all the recent functions / sponsors nights etc.

In which case Kensell needs to start thinking like a leader and give clarity to the situation. What we have now is the worst of all worlds for everyone, regardless of which side of fence you fall on regarding Montgomery.

[Brightside]

In which case Kensell needs to start thinking like a leader and give clarity to the situation. What we have now is the worst of all worlds for everyone, regardless of which side of fence you fall on regarding Montgomery.

It sounds like he has given clarity. The staff seem pretty clear. I don't mean this to sounds condescending but he's probably not bothered what Hibs.net think of the situation. A decision would be made by the board.

Until we hear otherwise we just carry on.

I imagine something will come out at some point about the review and this and other changes will be discussed as part of that.

[Brightside]

I feel like King Canute at times, which is strange because I don't even particularly want him to stay, but several players have recently stuck up for the management team and blamed themselves for our failure to make the top 6.

Yep - haven't heard one player slagging him off.

[BILLYHIBS]

You with your facts and that...

I know sometimes cannae help myself and I get on my own wick :greengrin