Hibernian v Celtic

[Jones28]

Thrice. Missed a great chance in second half too 😁

Aw well give him it then, what do I know?


😂

[Kato]

Probably. That doesn't make ours a pen thoughSo you agree clubs are refereed differently depending on who they are.

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[Mcbizz1998]

The Youan shot was definitely a penalty for me. Just seen it again on Twitter.

Got a link mate?

[bordergreen]

Sutton is a Celtic fan with a mic wanting every decision Lenny is so pro Celtic he has never really left

The only one I heard speaking up for Hibs was Faddy who thought Joe Newell was totally outstanding

For a wee bit balance bring in Archie Lovell or Big Marv

If I ever see another let’s get ‘Lenny I love Celtic’ back, I might explode. He can **** right off back to Celtic Park.

[Tyler Durden]

And if he doesn’t go down it will never be given. Look at last week against St Mirren, shirt being pulled off Myziane’s back but he stays on his feet and it doesn’t even get looked at.

It’s always gonna be a split second call for a player - go down or not.

Too often Boyle is hoping for contact rather than concentrating on getting a good shot or pass away. IMO

[MikeyS]

So you agree clubs are refereed differently depending on who they are.

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Yes, I've never argued against that. What's your point?

[Kato]

Is tonight the night that Hibs finally grow a pair and call out both the two tiered refereeing of Scottish football, and the two tiered policing of Scottish football?

If not, then they're complicit in the whole sham.Spot on.

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[MikeyS]

Got a link mate?

https://twitter.com/sparky_1875/status/1755355146106638813?t=1V4bLpgjAkHDsPzZQTpdCQ&s=19

[Kato]

Yeah but that didn’t happen. The contact didn’t cause him to break stride, he plants his feet and chucks himself up. Nothing natural about it.Are you looking at clip in reverse, Tyler Durden?

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[WeeRussell]

Aw well give him it then, what do I know?


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On a serious note - I think Newell was getting it until Celtic took their late lead.

[Mcbizz1998]

https://twitter.com/sparky_1875/status/1755355146106638813?t=1V4bLpgjAkHDsPzZQTpdCQ&s=19

Cheers! Yep, that’s a penalty if it’s at the other end!

[Callum_62]

Ralston's arms in a totally natural position

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[Tyler Durden]

Are you looking at clip in reverse, Tyler Durden?

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The angles from the behind Boyle are pretty clear

The angle in the link above is deceptive

[HibeeMackenzie]

First penalty is offside
Boyle is fouled
Ralston slaps the ball out of play
Second penalty the striker gets the shot off then kicks Newell

[MikeyS]

Cheers! Yep, that’s a penalty if it’s at the other end!

Hasn't even been mentioned in analysis nor did it seem to get any notice during the game!

[Onion]

Much, much much better performance from Hibs tonight. Played as a well organised TEAM, marshalled by the incredible Joe Newall. Did not deserve to lose and unlucky not to win. VAR and Glasgow officials were never going to allow Celtic to leave ER without their needed 3 points. They were crap from back to front.

Now. What we need is for Hibs players to take that level of performance and carry it over to other games. Easier said than done.

[Hibernian Verse]

Need to see the Johnston offside. No evidence yet.

[Berwickhibby]

The Youan shot was definitely a penalty for me. Just seen it again on Twitter.

Can you post the link please

[norhfc]

Thing is with the Boyle pen incident. The ref was so quick to get his card out and VAR not interested in looking at it, nothing to see here. I thought Newells was a foul outside the box.

[Callum_62]

Can you post the link pleaseThe ball strikes his arm just after this screenshot https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240207/b5d37cc6b4edba247cc5a483c8f68d73.jpg

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[WeeRussell]

Can you post the link please

I think he means the Maolida one that’s in link above.

[1875godsgift]

Can you post the link please


https://twitter.com/sparky_1875/status/1755355146106638813?t=1V4bLpgjAkHDsPzZQTpdCQ&s=19

:aok:

[Kato]

It’s always gonna be a split second call for a player - go down or not.

Too often Boyle is hoping for contact rather than concentrating on getting a good shot or pass away. IMONone of that context or what you imagine is going on in Boyles matters.



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[Silky]

It's a contact sport! Not all instances of contact in the box are pens.

There may have been a legitimate pen shout for us when one of the ginger centre halfs appeared to handle it but it's not been mentioned at all!

It is a contact sport,I agree. I also agree that not all contact in the box is a Pen. I don't think the contact between Trantis and the Celtic player in the first half was a Pen. Defenders are taught to attack the ball. Watch him. His eyes are focused on the ball throughout. He made contact and Walsh gave a Pen. There was a similar incident in the midfield in the second half, two players went for a ball. Nothing given. A "coming together" it was called.

[Kato]

Yes, I've never argued against that. What's your point?If you don't understand the point of different teams held to different standards of officiating games but only want to look at this incident in isolation to others, then is no point.

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[cubehindthegoal]

Thats 100% a pen on Boyle, and he was quite right to go down. We have seen from other teams and from us last week, if you stay up, nothing gets given, or reviewed.

This is true. We can’t win either way.

[NC1875]

That Ralston handball happens in our box and Celtic would’ve had 3 penalties

[Kato]

The angles from the behind Boyle are pretty clear

The angle in the link above is deceptiveShows the angles then please.

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[Tyler Durden]

None of that context or what you imagine is going on in Boyles matters.



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Ok

He’s beat his man with a great touch. He should then pass inside or shoot on his left foot. He cuts back across the LB instead to try to get a pen. It’s a dead end. Bad decision

[cubehindthegoal]

One consolation is it’s a little better to be debating a few big decisions and turning points in the game, rather than being pissed off at a poor performance and sifting through several posts of thinly veiled glee from a few recent regulars who are absent tonight.

👍👍

[Tyler Durden]

Shows the angles then please.

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It’s in the Sky post game stuff, Boyd and Lennon review it from multiple angles

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/sparky_1875/status/1755355146106638813?t=1V4bLpgjAkHDsPzZQTpdCQ&s=19What is the difference between that hand ball and the one that led to a pen against us on Saturday?

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[Gordy M]

Ok

He’s beat his man with a great touch. He should then pass inside or shoot on his left foot. He cuts back across the LB instead to try to get a pen. It’s a dead end. Bad decision
He beat his man with a great touch and was then clipped by the defender....penalty.

[Callum_62]

Someone needs to explain how this isn't a penalty

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[WeeRussell]

Ok

He’s beat his man with a great touch. He should then pass inside or shoot on his left foot. He cuts back across the LB instead to try to get a pen. It’s a dead end. Bad decision

I’m not convinced it was a penalty but have to disagree here.

If he’d stayed on his feet (putting aside whether he was fouled or not) he can fire it at or across goal. Probably preferable to a shot on his left!

I think the only debatable bad decision was the one to ‘go down’ like he did.

[silverhibee]

Celtic or Sevco would get that. Every. Single. Time.

:top marks :agree:

[andrew_dundee]

Boyle may have got a penalty against a non-OF team, but not Celtic (although it probably would have been a penalty for Celtic or Rangers).

Both their penalties were a bit dubious. Possible one of them may have been given at the other end of the park but I doubt both would be (and I doubt they both would have been against anyone except the OF).

[gbhibby]

Someone needs to explain how this isn't a penalty

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I thought that at the time it should have been looked at
What annoys me about VAR is certain teams get these incidents looked at a lot more than others, there is a lack of consistency in the application of VAR.

[cubehindthegoal]

What is the difference between that hand ball and the one that led to a pen against us on Saturday?

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It’s Hibs

[Callum_62]

I thought that at the time it should have been looked at
What annoys me about VAR is certain teams get these incidents looked at a lot more than others, there is a lack of consistency in the application of VAR.The fact the commentary team didn't even mention it (and they can hear the var) makes me think it wasn't even given a glance?

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[silverhibee]

https://twitter.com/sparky_1875/status/1755355146106638813?t=1V4bLpgjAkHDsPzZQTpdCQ&s=19

FFS, hand in the air and it doesn’t get checked, that’s a defo penalty and I still think it’s a penalty on Boyle.

[Tyler Durden]

The fact the commentary team didn't even mention it (and they can hear the var) makes me think it wasn't even given a glance?

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Yeah no mention and no replay

[silverhibee]

What about Youan shot in first half where folk were saying he should have scored and he hit it to hard, it took a deflection and Youan was definite it was handball, no replay of that, what part of the body did it deflect of the celtc player, we have been robbed by a corrupt referee tonight.

[Callum_62]

What about Youan shot in first half where folk were saying he should have scored and he hit it to hard, it took a deflection and Youan was definite it was handball, no replay of that, what part of the body did it deflect of the celtc player, we have been robbed by a corrupt referee tonight.Pretty sure it was his hip/side

The ralston handball is clear though imo

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[Kato]

It’s HibsI know, right.

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[WeeRussell]

Levitt finish is classy. And the knock down from Fish, if intended, is really really good too.

Looking forward to our next game again. That’s something.

Really need to back it up with another performance at the weekend now.

[B.H.F.C]

Levitt finish is classy. And the knock down from Fish, if intended, is really really good too.

Looking forward to our next game again. That’s something.

Really need to back it up with another performance at the weekend now.

If we apply ourselves on Saturday like we did tonight, we’ll win the game.

Tonight showed what a bit of effort, fight and determination can do for you. That’s what has been missing, the second half is what these types of games should be like at Easter Road.

[Hibernia&Alba]

We got the huge improvement in performance we demanded. Very unlucky to lose that match to an injury time penalty, but we had made the chances to put the game away. We deserved at least a draw; the second half performance deserved the win, IMHO, so it’s a sore one to get nothing. I haven’t seen the highlights yet.

Overall I feel it was a good performance. If we can carry that forward, we will be fine.

[CB Hibs 68]

What was all the booing for at end of game. ?

Folk weren’t happy .You figure

[Mantis Toboggan]

I thought that at the time it should have been looked at
What annoys me about VAR is certain teams get these incidents looked at a lot more than others, there is a lack of consistency in the application of VAR.

Have Hibs been awarded a penalty through a VAR review yet ?

[DroitwichHibs]

I’m nearly 60. Been watching Hibs since the early 70’s. I was there for the John McDonald dive! I actually (naively) thought VAR would even out the bad decisions that the old firm got. Tonight proves it just now finds penalties/ disallowed goals etc in their favour , no one else would get. It’s very depressing!!

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Is see the BBC took the "black guy with dreadlocks" approach to man of the match.

Tavares got man of the match for a whole 3 mins? Think they must have meant moriah-welsh

[ancient hibee]

Is see the BBC took the "black guy with dreadlocks" approach to man of the match.

Tavares got man of the match for a whole 3 mins? Think they must have meant moriah-welsh

Anyone can key in to the players marks.It's not the BBC it'll be mischievous Hearts fans.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Anyone can key in to the players marks.It's not the BBC it'll be mischievous Hearts fans.

Ah right. 👍

[JimBHibees]

It’s in the Sky post game stuff, Boyd and Lennon review it from multiple angles

The angle from behind the goal is a clear penalty

[JimBHibees]

Need to see the Johnston offside. No evidence yet.

What Johnstone offside?

[GreenPJ]

I’m not convinced it was a penalty but have to disagree here.

If he’d stayed on his feet (putting aside whether he was fouled or not) he can fire it at or across goal. Probably preferable to a shot on his left!

I think the only debatable bad decision was the one to ‘go down’ like he did.

That isn't/or should not be relevant for VAR. VAR is there to identify potential errors or missed foul play. Boyle got clipped by the defender causing him to fall. It wasn't reviewed and to compound that he got a yellow card for simulation. At very least the contact should determine its not simulation and therefore no yellow card.

[greenlex]

What Johnstone offside?

From the free kick prior to the first penalty.

[Tyler Durden]

From the free kick prior to the first penalty.

Which doesn't go to Johnston so his position isn't really relevant. I don't think he's offside from Scales header is he?

[Jamesie]

We were entering the seating area just as the Celtic pyro display was getting underway. The steward at our entranceway was absolutely loving the display and indeed actually directed us to look at it as we were about to find our seats. A quick lecture was delivered to him as to the dangers of flares in stadium and the consequences for anyone nearby with breathing issues.

When home fans are having to give the stewards a talking to for their fawning of the away support and their breaking of ground rules and regulations, the game is a bogey.

[JimBHibees]

Which doesn't go to Johnston so his position isn't really relevant. I don't think he's offside from Scales header is he?

Yes two or three phases prior to the pen. Don't think that would ever be offside

[greenginger]

He's absolutely right though, Youan was a coward and pulled out the tackle which lead to the attack.

Only saw one clip of the incident, but it looked to me Ralston came in with feet off the ground and studs showing hence Youan pulling out.

It was in the lead up to the penalty but no VAR review. Now had-that happened at the other end and………………….

[flash]

Having just watched Sportsceene I have no issue with either penalty being correct though I would be more than amazed if they were both awarded at the other end.

What I also saw was a clear foul on Boyle and a clear handball by Ralston, neither of which appeared to even be checked by VAR.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

[greenginger]

He's absolutely right though, Youan was a coward and pulled out the tackle which lead to the attack.

Only saw one clip of the incident, but it looked to me Ralston came in with feet off the ground and studs showing hence Youan pulling out.

It was in the lead up to the penalty but no VAR review. Now had-that happened at the other end and………………….

[Gatecrasher]

We were entering the seating area just as the Celtic pyro display was getting underway. The steward at our entranceway was absolutely loving the display and indeed actually directed us to look at it as we were about to find our seats. A quick lecture was delivered to him as to the dangers of flares in stadium and the consequences for anyone nearby with breathing issues.

When home fans are having to give the stewards a talking to for their fawning of the away support and their breaking of ground rules and regulations, the game is a bogey.

This pretty much sums up life as a Hibs fan in our own ground, I'm surprised they didn't paint the corporate are in geen and white hoops.

[WeeRussell]

That isn't/or should not be relevant for VAR. VAR is there to identify potential errors or missed foul play. Boyle got clipped by the defender causing him to fall. It wasn't reviewed and to compound that he got a yellow card for simulation. At very least the contact should determine its not simulation and therefore no yellow card.

My point wasn’t on VAR - was simply disagreeing that it was a bad decision for Boyle to head in the direction he did. In my opinion, his only bad decision was to do one of his swan dives.

But while we’re on the subject, you can definitely still be booked for diving when contact is made. Quite rightly too. (Generally speaking)

[cammy1969]

What about Youan shot in first half where folk were saying he should have scored and he hit it to hard, it took a deflection and Youan was definite it was handball, no replay of that, what part of the body did it deflect of the celtc player, we have been robbed by a corrupt referee tonight.

I thought that straight away but once I seen again I think it came of his leg but I’m not 100% sure


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[cammy1969]

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[cammy1969]

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[cammy1969]

Johnstone off side from free kick just before pen


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[Greenio]

We were entering the seating area just as the Celtic pyro display was getting underway. The steward at our entranceway was absolutely loving the display and indeed actually directed us to look at it as we were about to find our seats. A quick lecture was delivered to him as to the dangers of flares in stadium and the consequences for anyone nearby with breathing issues.

When home fans are having to give the stewards a talking to for their fawning of the away support and their breaking of ground rules and regulations, the game is a bogey.

C'mon.

Should he have been scowling at it with his nose aw screwed up?

Give the guy a break eh

[B.H.F.C]

Johnstone off side from free kick just before pen


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I might be wrong but I don’t think he won the first header. Went over him and Scales headed it back across, so no offside against Johnstone.

[Phil MaGlass]

I would support any team in Scotland that pulled their team off the park to protest the biased refs in this country, just needs a mangaer with baws tae dae it, and publicly call the west coast cheats out.

[JohnM1875]

I would support any team in Scotland that pulled their team off the park to protest the biased refs in this country, just needs a mangaer with baws tae dae it, and publicly call the west coast cheats out.

Tough one though, especially when all the pundits etc involved up here back the majority of the decisions given for the uglies.

[WeeRussell]

I might be wrong but I don’t think he won the first header. Went over him and Scales headed it back across, so no offside against Johnstone.

That’s my understanding too.

[cammy1969]

I might be wrong but I don’t think he won the first header. Went over him and Scales headed it back across, so no offside against Johnstone.

Could be m8 , but I thought with him being the one fouled in the second phase he would be interfering with play but I’m not sure


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[Fratelli]

Tough one though, especially when all the pundits etc involved up here back the majority of the decisions given for the uglies.
And therein lies another major problem, there are no Hibs supporting pundits that regularly commentate on our games. Sky last night was Boyd, Sutton and Faddy although I heard John Collins on Sportsound. For the vast majority of our games, we have to endure the likes of Preston, Craigan, Miller etc and they are rarely going to vociferously call-out injustices against Hibs. The narrative is set by the presenters and pundits and Hibs are just not represented.

[coldingham hibs]

Watched Celtic’s second penalty several times and whilst the end result is probably a penalty (most teams wouldn’t get it though). However in the lead up to the penalty Ralston does a slide tackle to win the ball in front of Youan (Youan should still have won it), Ralston’s foot & leg were about a foot off the ground, purely designed to take out Youan should he have got to the ball first, it was high and reckless ( even though his other leg connected with the ball). Had that been Porteous then VAR would have overturned the penalty and sent him off.

[greenlex]

Watched Celtic’s second penalty several times and whilst the end result is probably a penalty (most teams wouldn’t get it though). However in the lead up to the penalty Ralston does a slide tackle to win the ball in front of Youan (Youan should still have won it), Ralston’s foot & leg were about a foot off the ground, purely designed to take out Youan should he have got to the ball first, it was high and reckless ( even though his other leg connected with the ball). Had that been Porteous then VAR would have overturned the penalty and sent him off.
Youan wouldn’t needed to have done very much to win a foul easily there. Instead he chose to **** it.

[greenlex]

I might be wrong but I don’t think he won the first header. Went over him and Scales headed it back across, so no offside against Johnstone.
He didn’t win the header but impeded Obita from getting over to Scales so was definitely interfering with play.

[B.H.F.C]

He didn’t win the header but impeded Obita from getting over to Scales so was definitely interfering with play.

I didn’t think he impeded him. When the ball goes in Obita is the side of Johnstone closest to Scales. More crap defending from a set piece from us for me as Obita was with Johnstone but then had to try and get to Scales who we just let wander round the back on his own. We’d just done the very same from a corner a minute before.