Monty

[flash]

None of the players have a clue what Rocky is going to do next. Far too unpredictable and unreliable. I'd persist with Triantis, he's only just in the door.

I wouldn't. He is costing us in every game with bad decision making.

Rocky can be erratic but he is currently a better option.

[Trinity Hibee]

If we don’t beat Dundee on Saturday it will almost certainly mean we’ll be bottom 6 which is completely unacceptable.

Serious questions will be asked from now until the end of the season

[#2 Double Tap]

None of the players have a clue what Rocky is going to do next. Far too unpredictable and unreliable. I'd persist with Triantis, he's only just in the door.

I would drop fish for Rocky.

[badabing67]

Don't know which Hibs you watch but we were excellent against Celtic and only got no points because of being cheated again by officials.


The same Celtic side that Killie took a point from away. Celtic are vulnerable.

[easty]

How would a new manager stop Miller from failing to stop the cross, Fish breakdancing on ice and the rest of the team frozen to the spot rather than engage the ball and block it for the second goal? Or Newell and Fish ambling out at the first unaware Miovski was behind them at the first?

It’s individual errors costing us goals. Which won’t change until we replace those individuals whoever the manager is IMO.


Is there a head coach we can bring in that can get the match officials to do their jobs properly?

Is it everyones fault except the manager that we're humpty aye?

I take it if we start winning games then it'll be because individual players stopped making mistakes, and refs started giving us decisions, rather than the manager getting any credit for it? Has to work both ways?

Cos, that's how it works, aye?

[Stevie Reid]

When folk talk about McInnes´record at Aberdeen they tend to talk about his league record . In cups I don`t remember them doing much . 1 LC after an extra time win over ICT but also several losses to teams in lower divisions like us and QOS . Also why do folk assume managers of any team with smaller support than us would jump at chance of managing us mid season instead of staying at their present clubs for a few months longer and not damaging their reputation ?

You're confusing McInnes with Jimmy Calderwood, who had loads of bad results in the cups to lower league teams. The only time McInnes' Aberdeen went out of a cup to a team from a lower league was when we beat them and Malonga scored that goal.

McInnes took Aberdeen to four finals and five semi finals in his time there. He won his first final and lost the other three to the Celtic team that was winning everything at that time.

He took Killie to the LC semi last year as well.

[easty]

I wouldn't. He is costing us in every game with bad decision making.

Rocky can be erratic but he is currently a better option.

Something needs to change, if we go with 2 x 20 year olds at centre half again, when they're very clearly not working as a partnership, then we're asking for trouble.

I really don't rate Rocky at all, but even I'd have him back in rather than sticking with the 2 we've been playing.

[ChilliEater]

Yes there has and it has helped. His management skills have taken around 20 games to work that out though. Warnock played 3 at the back against St Mirren the other night and admitted at full time it was shambolic and not working so he changed it at half time. It’s taken Monty half a season to realise, he’s not got a clue.

Good going - it's taken Warnock 44 years :wink:

[Real Emerald]

Good going - it's taken Warnock 44 years :wink:

It was an example of a manager noticing his mistake and changing it right away,

[Unseen work]

I’m not convinced Mcinnes would join us.

Tony Docherty or Stephen Robinson though? Absolutely

[JimBHibees]

The same Celtic side that Killie took a point from away. Celtic are vulnerable.

Agree they are we were still very good though

[One Day Soon]

We're on an eight game run without a win.

In that run, we have been winning a game for a total of ELEVEN MINUTES. Seven against Motherwell, three against Aberdeen.

It's unacceptable. Sorry.


That is horrendous.

His problem now - actually just one of his many problems now - is that he's already banked a terrible record together with mostly awful football. That means he's likely always going to be just one or two poor results away from an unhappy support. The only way he can change that is by going on some kind of very, very strong run to the end of the season combined with consistently good performances and better football. I just don't see that happening.

[Jones28]

That is horrendous.

His problem now - actually just one of his many problems now - is that he's already banked a terrible record together with mostly awful football. That means he's likely always going to be just one or two poor results away from an unhappy support. The only way he can change that is by going on some kind of very, very strong run to the end of the season combined with consistently good performances and better football. I just don't see that happening.

We need a real run of results, for the league table and for the manager to try and build a bit faith amongst the support.

The Celtic game was a decent enough start in terms of playing style and performance despite the result.

Inverness was a result at any cost game which we got.

Aberdeen is traditionally a hard game and we came away with a point.

A win against Dundee would do him some favours, and if he followed that up with a point or 3 against Hearts he would build a bit of faith imo, especially with a win obviously.

I feel a bit for him because a point at Aberdeen would historically be a not bad result but the way things have been recently it became a game we must win - and tbf with that penalty shout we should have had 3 goals and 3 points with it.

I think there’s green shoots there, but we must build results.

[matty_f]

That is horrendous.

His problem now - actually just one of his many problems now - is that he's already banked a terrible record together with mostly awful football. That means he's likely always going to be just one or two poor results away from an unhappy support. The only way he can change that is by going on some kind of very, very strong run to the end of the season combined with consistently good performances and better football. I just don't see that happening.

It does seem like it's inevitable now, Johnson got to this point and was going game to game, Monty doesn't really have any big results in the bank to his credit so the only way that he's going to survive is to start and then keep winning games.

It's not certain that we'll lose the derby, so he needs to pick up three points on Saturday and then throw everything at Hearts and hope for a result after that.

If he wins the next two going into Ross County, then I think the mood will change and a lot of the noise will go away.

I'm not sure he survives a derby loss, though. Folk are already raging at the nick we're in, another sore one to them is going to be another straw on the camel's back.

[B.H.F.C]

We need a real run of results, for the league table and for the manager to try and build a bit faith amongst the support.

The Celtic game was a decent enough start in terms of playing style and performance despite the result.

Inverness was a result at any cost game which we got.

Aberdeen is traditionally a hard game and we came away with a point.

A win against Dundee would do him some favours, and if he followed that up with a point or 3 against Hearts he would build a bit of faith imo, especially with a win obviously.

I feel a bit for him because a point at Aberdeen would historically be a not bad result but the way things have been recently it became a game we must win - and tbf with that penalty shout we should have had 3 goals and 3 points with it.

I think there’s green shoots there, but we must build results.

Even with the run we’re on, a point up there still wasn’t a disaster for me. A point, or less, at home to Dundee would be a disaster though. We need to go in to close the gap on them and go in to the derby on the back of a win.

We need to win Saturday to stay in touch with the top six. If we can do then the three games at the start of March are where we’d then have a chance to start making up some ground. Kilmarnock play both St Mirren and Dundee in that period so the teams above us have to drop points over that period plus we have a the game in hand.

Obviously it’s an ask for us to suddenly string a run of wins together but you’re not going to get a better chance than back to back games against Ross County followed by a game against Livingston.

[Brightside]

It does seem like it's inevitable now, Johnson got to this point and was going game to game, Monty doesn't really have any big results in the bank to his credit so the only way that he's going to survive is to start and then keep winning games.

It's not certain that we'll lose the derby, so he needs to pick up three points on Saturday and then throw everything at Hearts and hope for a result after that.

If he wins the next two going into Ross County, then I think the mood will change and a lot of the noise will go away.

I'm not sure he survives a derby loss, though. Folk are already raging at the nick we're in, another sore one to them is going to be another straw on the camel's back.

Maybe the club will ignore .net and some guys on Twitter. I'm expecting him to be here next year no matter the results. (Unless of course we get humped by Dundee and Ross County!). The majority of fans at Aberdeen enjoyed the performance and style of play, nearly everyone I spoke to at Celtic enjoyed that game, and I only heard good things from Inverness also. We aren't playing poor now and changing the manager at this stage wont make a difference.

[Centre Hawf]

It does seem like it's inevitable now, Johnson got to this point and was going game to game, Monty doesn't really have any big results in the bank to his credit so the only way that he's going to survive is to start and then keep winning games.

It's not certain that we'll lose the derby, so he needs to pick up three points on Saturday and then throw everything at Hearts and hope for a result after that.

If he wins the next two going into Ross County, then I think the mood will change and a lot of the noise will go away.

I'm not sure he survives a derby loss, though. Folk are already raging at the nick we're in, another sore one to them is going to be another straw on the camel's back.

As negative as I've been about the manager, if he turned 6 points out of the next two games I'd weirdly back us to get another 6 from Ross County if we get some confidence in us. At that point finishing top 6 you would fancy to be back on and probably puts us in the driving seat for it with not long left to go.

But it has to happen on Saturday against Dundee or else it probably never will. A draw isn't good enough for us and suits Dundee perfectly as they'll probably know we're unlikely to string too many wins together after that to catch up with a Derby and Rangers game on the horizon.

[Alex Trager]

As negative as I've been about the manager, if he turned 6 points out of the next two games I'd weirdly back us to get another 6 from Ross County if we get some confidence in us. At that point finishing top 6 you would fancy to be back on and probably puts us in the driving seat for it with not long left to go.

But it has to happen on Saturday against Dundee or else it probably never will. A draw isn't good enough for us and suits Dundee perfectly as they'll probably know we're unlikely to string too many wins together after that to catch up with a Derby and Rangers game on the horizon.

I think we ought to be beating Dundee on Saturday, and I think we will, but they have some difficult fixtures coming up themselves tbf.

We could draw and still catch them.

I think we will win though.

[B.H.F.C]

It does seem like it's inevitable now, Johnson got to this point and was going game to game, Monty doesn't really have any big results in the bank to his credit so the only way that he's going to survive is to start and then keep winning games.

It's not certain that we'll lose the derby, so he needs to pick up three points on Saturday and then throw everything at Hearts and hope for a result after that.

If he wins the next two going into Ross County, then I think the mood will change and a lot of the noise will go away.

I'm not sure he survives a derby loss, though. Folk are already raging at the nick we're in, another sore one to them is going to be another straw on the camel's back.

I said going up to Aberdeen that he needed 4 points going in to the derby. If he doesn’t get a win on Saturday he’s in big enough trouble for me. Short of beating Hearts, he’d be finished. Next week and a bit will decide if he has a future.

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe the club will ignore .net and some guys on Twitter. I'm expecting him to be here next year no matter the results. (Unless of course we get humped by Dundee and Ross County!). The majority of fans at Aberdeen enjoyed the performance and style of play, nearly everyone I spoke to at Celtic enjoyed that game, and I only heard good things from Inverness also. We aren't playing poor now and changing the manager at this stage wont make a difference.

I’ve tried to support him and there is a big part of me doesn’t want to get rid.

But there comes a point where they won’t be able to ignore the results. Or the empty seats.

[Springbank]

Even with the run we’re on, a point up there still wasn’t a disaster for me. A point, or less, at home to Dundee would be a disaster though. We need to go in to close the gap on them and go in to the derby on the back of a win.

We need to win Saturday to stay in touch with the top six. If we can do then the three games at the start of March are where we’d then have a chance to start making up some ground. Kilmarnock play both St Mirren and Dundee in that period so the teams above us have to drop points over that period plus we have a the game in hand.

Obviously it’s an ask for us to suddenly string a run of wins together but you’re not going to get a better chance than back to back games against Ross County followed by a game against Livingston.

The trouble for Monty with he part in bold is that he brought this on himself with ridiculous selection and tactics, in games that were there for the win.

St Johnstone away mid December - Levitt on a goalkick, plays it straight to the Saints boy, who scores. Why was any of that ever capable of being a sentence? Levitt. On goal kicks. Straight to a Saints player...

St Mirren at home - folk forget St Mirren had a horrendous injury list going into that game. They were playing James Scott ffs. Their only strong area of the pitch was left wing (Kiltie) and left wing back (Tanser) and we played the inexperience & non-imposing pair of Jair & Whittaker on our right. Half time - nil three.

Ross County at home - two nil up, goes prematurely with Levitt & Delf centre mid, within a short time it's 2-2 and hanging on.

Those are the kind of games that put you under pressure for results further down the line & that ultimately show the level of management

Let's hope for 4-5 wins in a row (including the derby & the cup tie) to banish the memories

[matty_f]

Maybe the club will ignore .net and some guys on Twitter. I'm expecting him to be here next year no matter the results. (Unless of course we get humped by Dundee and Ross County!). The majority of fans at Aberdeen enjoyed the performance and style of play, nearly everyone I spoke to at Celtic enjoyed that game, and I only heard good things from Inverness also. We aren't playing poor now and changing the manager at this stage wont make a difference.
I hope you're right.

[B.H.F.C]

The trouble for Monty with he part in bold is that he brought this on himself with ridiculous selection and tactics, in games that were there for the win.

St Johnstone away mid December - Levitt on a goalkick, plays it straight to the Saints boy, who scores. Why was any of that ever capable of being a sentence? Levitt. On goal kicks. Straight to a Saints player...

St Mirren at home - folk forget St Mirren had a horrendous injury list going into that game. They were playing James Scott ffs. Their only strong area of the pitch was left wing (Kiltie) and left wing back (Tanser) and we played the inexperience & non-imposing pair of Jair & Whittaker on our right. Half time - nil three.

Ross County at home - two nil up, goes prematurely with Levitt & Delf centre mid, within a short time it's 2-2 and hanging on.

Those are the kind of games that put you under pressure for results further down the line & that ultimately show the level of management

Let's hope for 4-5 wins in a row (including the derby & the cup tie) to banish the memories

No doubt he’s made his share of mistakes but there is a hell of a lot of fault with the players as well. I’ve banged on about it loads but the amount of times we’ve scored two goals and failed to win is ridiculous. And in so many of those games we’ve just been undone by simple balls in to the box rather than being undone tactically or anything like that.

[Centre Hawf]

The trouble for Monty with he part in bold is that he brought this on himself with ridiculous selection and tactics, in games that were there for the win.

St Johnstone away mid December - Levitt on a goalkick, plays it straight to the Saints boy, who scores. Why was any of that ever capable of being a sentence? Levitt. On goal kicks. Straight to a Saints player...

St Mirren at home - folk forget St Mirren had a horrendous injury list going into that game. They were playing James Scott ffs. Their only strong area of the pitch was left wing (Kiltie) and left wing back (Tanser) and we played the inexperience & non-imposing pair of Jair & Whittaker on our right. Half time - nil three.

Ross County at home - two nil up, goes prematurely with Levitt & Delf centre mid, within a short time it's 2-2 and hanging on.

Those are the kind of games that put you under pressure for results further down the line & that ultimately show the level of management

Let's hope for 4-5 wins in a row (including the derby & the cup tie) to banish the memories

I had managed to erase that from my mind. 442 was bad enough but sticking they two together by themselves was asking for trouble. Thankfully he learned from it and we never seen it again.

[Brightside]

I’ve tried to support him and there is a big part of me doesn’t want to get rid.

But there comes a point where they won’t be able to ignore the results. Or the empty seats.

I dont disagree. He must be getting full points from County, and I think we are actually playing well enough to beat Dundee right now. BUT if he somehow loses the majority of them it will be very hard for him to stay in post.

[chrisski33]

The same Celtic side that Killie took a point from away. Celtic are vulnerable.

Yip they seem to be but we arent good enough to take advantage of it or of any other teams vulnerability it seems

[Hibees1973]

Last three games have been better when new players bedding in. Better officials likely picked up three more points.

Exactly.

When Steve Clarke took over Kilmarnock he transformed them immediately with the same players/squad.

I'm no fan of the defenders we have signed, but it is complete nonsense to say that a manager cannot improve the players he already has.

Montgomery was quoted before the end of the year that he had turned things around and has improved players that the previous manager did not use. He must be referring to Jair. He has not improved Jair, he has just played him.

If we lose on Saturday, Montgomery should be sacked. Immediately.

[richard_pitts]

Exactly.

When Steve Clarke took over Kilmarnock he transformed them immediately with the same players/squad.

I'm no fan of the defenders we have signed, but it is complete nonsense to say that a manager cannot improve the players he already has.

Montgomery was quoted before the end of the year that he had turned things around and has improved players that the previous manager did not use. He must be referring to Jair. He has not improved Jair, he has just played him.

If we lose on Saturday, Montgomery should be sacked. Immediately.

And replaced with who? If we keep sacking managers every 5 minutes, nobody any good will want the job.

[May21/05/216]

If the black kinghts investment gets passed then monty and Mcdermid will be out as they're ruthless just look what the did to Gary O'Neil at Bournemouth

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[Trinity Hibee]

As a club we have said the absolute minimum requirement is top 6 with a aim of making top 4. If we don’t get top 6, why should the manager stay?

[greenlex]

As a club we have said the absolute minimum requirement is top 6 with a aim of making top 4. If we don’t get top 6, why should the manager stay?

I’m fairly sure he wouldn’t.

[Brightside]

If the black kinghts investment gets passed then monty and Mcdermid will be out as they're ruthless just look what the did to Gary O'Neil at Bournemouth

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They don't get that say - and they do the SFA / SPL wont be very happy.

[SickBoy32]

They don't get that say - and they do the SFA / SPL wont be very happy.

Not sure how the SFA will have visibility / knowledge of how much influence Foley can exert in the ER boardroom ?

[Since90+2]

Not sure how the SFA will have visibility / knowledge of how much influence Foley can exert in the ER boardroom ?

They'll have none in reality. Private conversations between the two parties will be taking place all the time.

[HoboHarry]

They don't get that say - and they do the SFA / SPL wont be very happy.

Since when did the SFA have a say with any club about who their manager is?

[Brightside]

Since when did the SFA have a say with any club about who their manager is?

The agreement is that the knights cannot be running or making decisions on the running of the club.

[BoomtownHibees]

The agreement is that the knights cannot be running or making decisions on the running of the club.

They can, and will, have an input though

[CallumLaidlaw]

And replaced with who? If we keep sacking managers every 5 minutes, nobody any good will want the job.

Genuinely don’t think it works that way anymore. Plenty managers going around that fancy themselves to be a success.


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[Billy Whizz]

Not sure how the SFA will have visibility / knowledge of how much influence Foley can exert in the ER boardroom ?

How many places are they getting

[Brightside]

They can, and will, have an input though

Thats a bit different than them coming in and removing the manager and DoF. :wink:

[BoomtownHibees]

Thats a bit different than them coming in and removing the manager and DoF. :wink:

Foley: “Right Ben, no more money until you get rid of Monty and BM, but remember it needs to be your decision just in case the SFA find out”

Ben: “on it boss”

[badabing67]

Michael Beale sacked by Sunderland after 12 games. Bet they wished Mowbray didn't walk.

Michael Beale: Sunderland sack head coach after 12 games - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68340952)

[Hibeesdaft16]

Michael Beale sacked by Sunderland after 12 games. Bet they wished Mowbray didn't walk.

Michael Beale: Sunderland sack head coach after 12 games - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68340952)

Decisive decisions when a manager comes in and doesn't make any of the players nor the team better. Still time to save their season and succeed in their objectives of the playoffs.

[Donegal Hibby]

Decisive decisions when a manager comes in and doesn't make any of the players nor the team better. Still time to save their season and succeed in their objectives of the playoffs.

It's the Sunderland boards decisive decisions that's got them in the mess they are now in , in the first place . They had a good manager who got them into the play offs who they didn't back properly and dismissed him only to appoint beale which was a terrible appointment in the first place . Also goes to show replacing a manager doesn't always work out for the best either.

[The Modfather]

Decisive decisions when a manager comes in and doesn't make any of the players nor the team better. Still time to save their season and succeed in their objectives of the playoffs.

Will the next man only get 12 games before he’s also out now a precedent has been set?

[Hibeesdaft16]

Will the next man only get 12 games before he’s also out now a precedent has been set?

I wouldn't think so. Beale went in to get them into the playoffs, that doesn't look like it's happening now so he's lost his job. New manager takes the team until the end of the season and builds for next instead of persisting with the failing manager.

[Hibeesdaft16]

It's the Sunderland boards decisive decisions that's got them in the mess they are now in , in the first place . They had a good manager who got them into the play offs who they didn't back properly and dismissed him only to appoint beale which was a terrible appointment in the first place . Also goes to show replacing a manager doesn't always work out for the best either.

Sounds familiar doesn't it? We sack Ross after not backing him and the board makes a shambles of all the managerial decisions since. At least they can see they have made a bad appointment though.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Since after the close of Jan window our results have been LLWD with a fairly different team.

Last 6 form table looks like this 27706 which is fairly grim.

Hopefully the next 6 games looks better.

[The Modfather]

I wouldn't think so. Beale went in to get them into the playoffs, that doesn't look like it's happening now so he's lost his job. New manager takes the team until the end of the season and builds for next instead of persisting with the failing manager.

They’re only 4 points off the playoff are they not? I wouldn’t have thought a new manager gets to write off this season and build for next season.

To be honest I don’t really have an opinion either way on Beale & Sunderland. Was just curious to see parallel arguments with Montgomery play out elsewhere and peoples views on the Sunderland situation.

[Hibeesdaft16]

They’re only 4 points off the playoff are they not? I wouldn’t have thought a new manager gets to write off this season and build for next season.

To be honest I don’t really have an opinion either way on Beale & Sunderland. Was just curious to see parallel arguments with Montgomery play out elsewhere and peoples views on the Sunderland situation.

I think there's too many teams ahead of them to realistically expect the playoffs this season and a manager appointed shouldn't be expected to make them or sacked. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

4 points off the playoffs though, there's a lot more chance of Sunderland fulfilling their objectives this season than there is Hibernian, being 8 points off Europe.

[hibeerealist]

They’re only 4 points off the playoff are they not? I wouldn’t have thought a new manager gets to write off this season and build for next season.

To be honest I don’t really have an opinion either way on Beale & Sunderland. Was just curious to see parallel arguments with Montgomery play out elsewhere and peoples views on the Sunderland situation.


One of our posters, Smartie, hit it on the head when he said if you have the wrong guy get rid. Beale was the wrong guy at Sunderland so they got rid.

There will be no shortage of applicants for that job.

I think we have the wrong guy too, lets hope we don't leave it until 3 matches into the 24/25 season before getting rid!

[matty_f]

Decisive decisions when a manager comes in and doesn't make any of the players nor the team better. Still time to save their season and succeed in their objectives of the playoffs.

I hope we emulate Sunderland, they've been a huge success.

[snedzuk]

Since after the close of Jan window our results have been LLWD with a fairly different team.

Last 6 form table looks like this 27706 which is fairly grim.

Hopefully the next 6 games looks better.

At least we have a windowless hotel we can laugh at.

[Hibeesdaft16]

I hope we emulate Sunderland, they've been a huge success.

Nobody said that. They done the right thing in sacking an under performing manager regardless of needing time and transfer windows etc.

We should try and emulate some club though, as the new regime have got nothing right on the footballing side of things since they came to the club. At last Sunderlands new owners gained promotion.

[VoltaireHibs]

Foley: “Right Ben, no more money until you get rid of Monty and BM, but remember it needs to be your decision just in case the SFA find out”

Ben: “on it boss”

Pretty much this.

[Hibbyradge]

The agreement is that the knights cannot be running or making decisions on the running of the club.

If anyone believes that will hold good then ask them if they want to buy a bridge.

[Bridge hibs]

If anyone believes that will hold good then ask them if they want to buy a bridge.

Oi !! 🤔

Im not for ****ing sale 🫣

£10 for my Wife though 😁

[hibsbollah]

One of our posters, Smartie, hit it on the head when he said if you have the wrong guy get rid. Beale was the wrong guy at Sunderland so they got rid.

There will be no shortage of applicants for that job.

I think we have the wrong guy too, lets hope we don't leave it until 3 matches into the 24/25 season before getting rid!

When is there ever a ‘shortage of applicants’ for a professional club in this country? Its a fairly great life being a manager, if you can deal with the glamour, loads of cash, celebrity, and a wee bit of social media abuse and occasional stess and anxiety.

Whether there’s 60 applications or 600 for the eventual vacancy is irrelevant to the question of whether its a good idea to sack someone.

[Real Emerald]

Decisive decisions when a manager comes in and doesn't make any of the players nor the team better. Still time to save their season and succeed in their objectives of the playoffs.

I think they said Beale had only won 4 out of 12 games, what’s Monty’s record now? ☹️

[Hibees1973]

They don't get that say - and they do the SFA / SPL wont be very happy.

Do you really think that.

Foley pumping £6m initially, then more to come.

It really is a bit naive to think he will just sit back and see us continue to flounder on the park and he is giving us money.

Foley without a doubt will be influencing things now and in time exerting pressure on people at Hibs if we continue to fail.

[Hibees1973]

Sounds familiar doesn't it? We sack Ross after not backing him and the board makes a shambles of all the managerial decisions since. At least they can see they have made a bad appointment though.

Exactly.

Most sensible people reckoned that Ross had bought himself a fair bit of breathing space. He had taken us to 3rd the previous year and into a cup final. Wasn't backed in the transfer market and had to use MacGregor (sent off) against Rijeka in a European tie. He was sacked after his first poor run at the club and at a time when the SPFL rammed a whole load of fixtures at us after a covid outbreak in the Hibs squad.

I've always felt that The Gordons and Kensell wanted shot of him so they could get in their own guy.

It has certainly worked out well since Ross left.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Exactly.

Most sensible people reckoned that Ross had bought himself a fair bit of breathing space. He had taken us to 3rd the previous year and into a cup final. Wasn't backed in the transfer market and had to use MacGregor (sent off) against Rijeka in a European tie. He was sacked after his first poor run at the club and at a time when the SPFL rammed a whole load of fixtures at us after a covid outbreak in the Hibs squad.

I've always felt that The Gordons and Kensell wanted shot of him so they could get in their own guy.

It has certainly worked out well since Ross left.

:agree::agree: spot on.

[007]

Nobody said that. They done the right thing in sacking an under performing manager regardless of needing time and transfer windows etc.

We should try and emulate some club though, as the new regime have got nothing right on the footballing side of things since they came to the club. At last Sunderlands new owners gained promotion.

We'll be emulating ourselves by sacking another manager near enough straight after the transfer dealings are done.

[Unseen work]

When is there ever a ‘shortage of applicants’ for a professional club in this country? Its a fairly great life being a manager, if you can deal with the glamour, loads of cash, celebrity, and a wee bit of social media abuse and occasional stess and anxiety.

Whether there’s 60 applications or 600 for the eventual vacancy is irrelevant to the question of whether its a good idea to sack someone.

It will have next to no impact.

It may make some slightly hesitant ant and want a bit a of a discussion beforehand, however I imagine 99% of managers will have the mindset of them being able to fix us and make us competitive relatively easily,

[Winston Ingram]

How would a new manager stop Miller from failing to stop the cross, Fish breakdancing on ice and the rest of the team frozen to the spot rather than engage the ball and block it for the second goal? Or Newell and Fish ambling out at the first unaware Miovski was behind them at the first?

It’s individual errors costing us goals. Which won’t change until we replace those individuals whoever the manager is IMO.

Working on defending and coaching players?

[Hibeesdaft16]

Working on defending and coaching players?


Give the full backs more protection if they struggle to stop crosses being played into the box. The problem we play high and wide players ahead of them in hope punts up the park get to them and they can create something as seems to be our game plan mainly over the past 2 years.

[Donegal Hibby]

Sounds familiar doesn't it? We sack Ross after not backing him and the board makes a shambles of all the managerial decisions since. At least they can see they have made a bad appointment though.

Slightly different in Beales case though as the fans liked the manager they had before who had them playing good football and disliked Beale from the start.

12 games isn't enough time anyhow for a manager to change things around as 20 odd isn't either imo though I wonder was there anything in the Saturday incident that speeded his dismissal up so quickly too though ?.

Probably our board could have backed Ross more and given him more time though I'm not sure if he had the fans support either in fairness when he hit a bad patch. Did the attendances not dropped towards the end with calls for him to go ? , and was the football not being described as dull and boring ? , yet some are now wanting Derek McInnes as manager :confused:

I suppose the two things any manager needs the most is transfer funds and time to rebuild a squad especially if it's been struggling . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of this imo though sadly they rarely get the two nowadays.

[The Modfather]

Give the full backs more protection if they struggle to stop crosses being played into the box. The problem we play high and wide players ahead of them in hope punts up the park get to them and they can create something as seems to be our game plan mainly over the past 2 years.

Folk can’t have it both ways, criticise Montgomery for having our attacking wide players too deep and decrying 433 and Youan & Boyle high and wide. Yet also bemoan those same players playing too high to offer the full backs protection.

We’re not talking about fullbacks or centrebacks getting outnumbered, more losing their individual battles. The full backs stopping crosses, and the centre backs clearing their lines. The second goal on Saturday is a good example, Aberdeen player goes by Miller. Fish comically can’t clear the ball and then a host of others stand still and let the Aberdeen player have 3 touches before poking the ball in.

Montgomery can be criticised for not spending enough of the available budget on an experienced cebtreback. However I fail to see how he can be criticised for the individual defenders he inherited costing goals every week from basic errors.

[matty_f]

Slightly different in Beales case though as the fans liked the manager they had before who had them playing good football and disliked Beale from the start.

12 games isn't enough time anyhow for a manager to change things around as 20 odd isn't either imo though I wonder was there anything in the Saturday incident that speeded his dismissal up so quickly too though ?.

Probably our board could have backed Ross more and given him more time though I'm not sure if he had the fans support either in fairness when he hit a bad patch. Did the attendances not dropped towards the end with calls for him to go ? , and was the football not being described as dull and boring ? , yet some are now wanting Derek McInnes as manager :confused:

I suppose the two things any manager needs the most is transfer funds and time to rebuild a squad especially if it's been struggling . Alex Ferguson is a prime example of this imo though sadly they rarely get the two nowadays.

He fell out with the owner about their signing policy and the lack of an experienced forward, according to reports in the press, also a contributing factor to Mowbray's sacking as well.

[Daydreamer]

Exactly.

Most sensible people reckoned that Ross had bought himself a fair bit of breathing space. He had taken us to 3rd the previous year and into a cup final. Wasn't backed in the transfer market and had to use MacGregor (sent off) against Rijeka in a European tie. He was sacked after his first poor run at the club and at a time when the SPFL rammed a whole load of fixtures at us after a covid outbreak in the Hibs squad.

I've always felt that The Gordons and Kensell wanted shot of him so they could get in their own guy.

It has certainly worked out well since Ross left.


I was told after we beat The rangers in the League cup semi-final 3-1 Jack Ross gave Kensall and the Gordons a list of 5 players he would like in the January transfer window knowing he had some credit in the bank. One of these players was Curtis Main who was playing well at the time. He got short thrift from Ron Gordon about this as this kind of player was not what we were looking for as he was too old to sell on. An argument entailed and we all know what happened the next week.
Now we have Adam Le Fondre at 37 years of age.

[Winston Ingram]

They’re only 4 points off the playoff are they not? I wouldn’t have thought a new manager gets to write off this season and build for next season.

To be honest I don’t really have an opinion either way on Beale & Sunderland. Was just curious to see parallel arguments with Montgomery play out elsewhere and peoples views on the Sunderland situation.


They appointed a manager that made their performances worse, players worse and results worse and has shown nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

They’ve made this decision to save their season and acted decisively.

[NC1875]

They appointed a manager that made their performances worse, players worse and results worse and has shown nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

They’ve made this decision to save their season and acted decisively.

That first paragraph sounds awful familiar 🤔

[Victor]

They appointed a manager that made their performances worse, players worse and results worse and has shown nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

They’ve made this decision to save their season and acted decisively.

It’s a gamble and one, with Sunderland’s track record, that probably won’t come off. Unless the existing manager is completely out of their depth, changing managers doesn’t always pay off. Replacing McLean with Levein at St. Johnstone probably has, but Wilder replacing Heckingbottom, at Sheffield Utd. doesn’t seem to have made any noticeable difference. A large number of Hearts fans were calling for Naismith’s head after their start and see what happened. Sometimes it pays to stick with what you have.

[Joe6-2]

Since after the close of Jan window our results have been LLWD with a fairly different team.

Last 6 form table looks like this 27706 which is fairly grim.

Hopefully the next 6 games looks better.


That’s awful

[Bridge hibs]

I was told after we beat The rangers in the League cup semi-final 3-1 Jack Ross gave Kensall and the Gordons a list of 5 players he would like in the January transfer window knowing he had some credit in the bank. One of these players was Curtis Main who was playing well at the time. He got short thrift from Ron Gordon about this as this kind of player was not what we were looking for as he was too old to sell on. An argument entailed and we all know what happened the next week.
Now we have Adam Le Fondre at 37 years of age.Curtis Main who score around 12 goals in 70 games for St Mirren and 0 in 4 currently for Dundee ? Im glad we have Le Fondre

[Gordy M]

He fell out with the owner about their signing policy and the lack of an experienced forward, according to reports in the press, also a contributing factor to Mowbray's sacking as well.

If you saw thw video of Beale on Saturday when he subbed off one of Sunderlands popular players, then it was clear he would be sacked. Clearly completely lost the dressing room.

[Donegal Hibby]

He fell out with the owner about their signing policy and the lack of an experienced forward, according to reports in the press, also a contributing factor to Mowbray's sacking as well.

After getting them into the playoffs in his first year with abit more backing he could have got them into the league of milk and honey though now they are no better off and probably went backwards.

This is what happened with Beale Saturday . Sunderland fans apparently took to social media wanting him out , calling him a disgrace .He came out later and said he had apologised to the player and that he didn't see him .
https://x.com/SAFCWest/status/1758897244970062080?s=20

[Winston Ingram]

It’s a gamble and one, with Sunderland’s track record, that probably won’t come off. Unless the existing manager is completely out of their depth, changing managers doesn’t always pay off. Replacing McLean with Levein at St. Johnstone probably has, but Wilder replacing Heckingbottom, at Sheffield Utd. doesn’t seem to have made any noticeable difference. A large number of Hearts fans were calling for Naismith’s head after their start and see what happened. Sometimes it pays to stick with what you have.

The existing manager was completely out his depth. Beale like Monty, doesn’t have a track record at any decent level to fall back on, and as he made every aspect of the team worse and hadn’t shown anything to suggest he had a clue what he was doing, he was rightly bulleted.

Sunderland’s 2 previous appointments have been very good.

[Is It On....]

Exactly.

Most sensible people reckoned that Ross had bought himself a fair bit of breathing space. He had taken us to 3rd the previous year and into a cup final. Wasn't backed in the transfer market and had to use MacGregor (sent off) against Rijeka in a European tie. He was sacked after his first poor run at the club and at a time when the SPFL rammed a whole load of fixtures at us after a covid outbreak in the Hibs squad.

I've always felt that The Gordons and Kensell wanted shot of him so they could get in their own guy.

It has certainly worked out well since Ross left.

Started with Mathie who was blamed for not getting McGrath

[overdrive]

Exactly.

Most sensible people reckoned that Ross had bought himself a fair bit of breathing space. He had taken us to 3rd the previous year and into a cup final. Wasn't backed in the transfer market and had to use MacGregor (sent off) against Rijeka in a European tie. He was sacked after his first poor run at the club and at a time when the SPFL rammed a whole load of fixtures at us after a covid outbreak in the Hibs squad.

I've always felt that The Gordons and Kensell wanted shot of him so they could get in their own guy.

It has certainly worked out well since Ross left.

I don't disagree with most of that but Ross was the Gordons' guy.

[superfurryhibby]

Does anyone believe that NM has much influence over what was signed in that last window?

[B.H.F.C]

Does anyone believe that NM has much influence over what was signed in that last window?

Yes, given the signing of Triantis.

The days of managers identifying all their own players are long gone but he’ll have had plenty of input throughout.

[Winston Ingram]

Does anyone believe that NM has much influence over what was signed in that last window?

Yep. Triantis for a start.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does anyone believe that NM has much influence over what was signed in that last window?

To an extent, yes. I’d be stunned if Triantis wasn’t anything to do with him.

That being said, if he has had no influence, he just needs to deal with it and get on with things as it’ll be the same for every manager we employ going forward. Not getting to influence the transfer dealings can’t be used as an excuse for not getting the team to perform by any manager if that’s the way we operate.

[ChilliEater]

To an extent, yes. I’d be stunned if Triantis wasn’t anything to do with him.

That being said, if he has had no influence, he just needs to deal with it and get on with things as it’ll be the same for every manager we employ going forward. Not getting to influence the transfer dealings can’t be used as an excuse for not getting the team to perform by any manager if that’s the way we operate.

Are you sure?

[eastmainsmsh]

Does anyone believe that NM has much influence over what was signed in that last window?

No I think Monty job is just to coach them

[Since452]

Statistically, Maloney and Montgomery are out in front as our worst managers in the last 10/11 years going back as far as Butcher. Baw hair between them.

Maloney 31.58% win rate
Montgomery 32% win rate - that includes two games against lower league teams. Think Maloney only had one.

I wonder why Maloney was only given 19 games and Montgomery is now on 25? What has changed in levels of acceptance since Maloney? Ron not being here? Brian McDermott coming in? Maloney was a poor appointment but at least he was sacked before things got any worse.

Seems we're willing to accept ***** now in the hope it gets better.

Seems even more bizarre considering we punted statistically our best manager (top league) since the 70's in Jack Ross after his first poor run of form in a covid riddled fixture congestion.

[B.H.F.C]

Statistically, Maloney and Montgomery are out in front as our worst managers in the last 10/11 years going back as far as Butcher. Baw hair between them.

Maloney 31.58% win rate
Montgomery 32% win rate - that includes two games against lower league teams. Think Maloney only had one.

I wonder why Maloney was only given 19 games and Montgomery is now on 25? What has changed in levels of acceptance since Maloney? Ron not being here? Brian McDermott coming in? Maloney was a poor appointment but at least he was sacked before things got any worse.

Seems we're willing to accept ***** now in the hope it gets better.

Seems even more bizarre considering we punted statistically our best manager since the 70's in Jack Ross after his first poor run of form in a covid riddled fixture congestion.

Maybe it’s not about accepting and hoping, it’s simply giving someone an opportunity to improve things rather than emptying them at the first sign of trouble, which this 8 game run in the league has been. Maybe, just maybe, they’ve realised that just punting people when they run in to trouble isn’t the answer.

Small point, Maloney managed against two lower league teams and was taken to extra time by one of them at ER.

We are so conditioned to change IMO, that the answer is just to change. You can find plenty examples of managers having poor starts at clubs and turning it round (and not just the Alex Ferguson one). In fact the start wasn’t even that bad, so maybe better to say plenty examples of managers turning things round after a bad run, rather than a bad start.

[superfurryhibby]

No I think Monty job is just to coach them

No doubt he can also indicate the type of player and where he thinks we need to improve.

Trantis, I can see the point of if we also signed a Jason Kerr type CH.

Alongside the incoming Bevan, I just can’t envisage our manager saying go get me a very inexperienced CH to compliment our other inexperienced CB, oh and we’ll take an inexperienced and injured guy from Bournemooth whilst we’re at it.

[Since452]

Maybe it’s not about accepting and hoping, it’s simply giving someone an opportunity to improve things rather than emptying them at the first sign of trouble, which this 8 game run in the league has been. Maybe, just maybe, they’ve realised that just punting people when they run in to trouble isn’t the answer.

Small point, Maloney managed against two lower league teams and was taken to extra time by one of them at ER.

We are so conditioned to change IMO, that the answer is just to change. You can find plenty examples of managers having poor starts at clubs and turning it round (and not just the Alex Ferguson one). In fact the start wasn’t even that bad, so maybe better to say plenty examples of managers turning things round after a bad run, rather than a bad start.

That's a big shift in mindset in a short period of time. You could argue LJ deserved more than 3 league games this season considering the good second half of last season and the Luzern result (i wanted him gone after the Livi game BTW after backing him). No issue sacking managers if we bring better ones in. I almost get the feeling Montgomery is McDermotts guy and he's not wanting to pull the trigger. Time will tell if that's wrong or right.

[Winston Ingram]

No I think Monty job is just to coach them

I doubt someone who's been coaching at the budget end of professional football on the other side of the world will have an encyclopedic knowledge of players in Europe within our price range.

This is why we and pretty much any club that does a decent level of planning have others doing the scouting and data analysis.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are you sure?

Yes. Because if that’s the way we operate then that’s the job they’ve accepted.

I do think the manager at Hibs gets a say though.

[The Modfather]

That's a big shift in mindset in a short period of time. You could argue LJ deserved more than 3 league games this season considering the good second half of last season and the Luzern result (i wanted him gone after the Livi game BTW after backing him). No issue sacking managers if we bring better ones in. I almost get the feeling Montgomery is McDermotts guy and he's not wanting to pull the trigger. Time will tell if that's wrong or right.

Johnson also got 3 windows before he was sacked. Maloney & Montgomery were tasked with major surgery over a single January window.

Montgommery deserves until at least the split IMO.

[Brightside]

Manager gives lists of "type" of players he is looking for.
DoF and Recruitment team go and find potential candidates.
Manager says which of these he would like
DoF tried to sign said players.

Rinse and repeat.

[I'm Spartacus]

We cannot seriously punt Monty, we can't. This Employ, Sack, Repeat has to stop.

Aberdeen will be in the market soon, I'll guess Killie will be soon too as he'll be snapped up, Brendan will be gone soon but that's a different market.

Our next manager will be Ian Murray, but take him on too early and we ****** it, let Montys contract run and Murray will be ready in 2 seasons.

[Winston Ingram]

We cannot seriously punt Monty, we can't. This Employ, Sack, Repeat has to stop.

Aberdeen will be in the market soon, I'll guess Killie will be soon too as he'll be snapped up, Brendan will be gone soon but that's a different market.

Our next manager will be Ian Murray, but take him on too early and we ****** it, let Montys contract run and Murray will be ready in 2 seasons.

It’s employ **** manager, sack **** manager, repeat.

The problem needing solved here is the repeated hiring of **** managers.

The solution certainly isn’t keeping the **** manager.

Particularly in this case when this one has been here 6 months and shown absolutely nothing to suggest the he is remotely capable of doing this job.

[Hibeesdaft16]

It’s employ **** manager, sack **** manager, repeat.

The problem needing solved here is the repeated hiring of **** managers.

The solution certainly isn’t keeping the **** manager.

Particularly in this case when this one has been here 6 months and shown absolutely nothing to suggest the he is remotely capable of doing this job.

It's baffling the excuses being made and blind faith "just because" when the above is evident.

[I'm Spartacus]

It’s employ **** manager, sack **** manager, repeat.

The problem needing solved here is the repeated hiring of **** managers.

The solution certainly isn’t keeping the **** manager.

Particularly in this case when this one has been here 6 months and shown absolutely nothing to suggest the he is remotely capable of doing this job.


It's baffling the excuses being made and blind faith "just because" when the above is evident.

Baffling that 'business people' cannot emply a football coach, and that applies to most top flight teams, Killie done the correct thing and took a proven SPL manager, us and Aberdeen are like 2 drunks chasing a seagull in trying to appoint a manager.

We need to stick with someone, absolutly haemorraging money with the merry-go-round :(

[Hibeesdaft16]

Baffling that 'business people' cannot emply a football coach, and that applies to most top flight teams, Killie done the correct thing and took a proven SPL manager, us and Aberdeen are like 2 drunks chasing a seagull in trying to appoint a manager.

We need to stick with someone, absolutly haemorraging money with the merry-go-round :(


I agree. But we need to appoint the correct manager. Not just be act too smart not to appoint managers staring us in the puss and take gambles, like our signing policy.

We need to stick with the correct manager, not someone that had been here since three weeks into the season and has managed to make us worse.

[007]

I agree. But we need to appoint the correct manager. Not just be act too smart not to appoint managers staring us in the puss and take gambles, like our signing policy.

We need to stick with the correct manager, not someone that had been here since three weeks into the season and has managed to make us worse.

You don't sound like someone that wants to give Montgomery the opportunity to make the top 6.

https://i.ibb.co/xjzhNch/Screenshot-20240220-225254-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/Ykf2xK2)

[Hibeesdaft16]

You don't sound like someone that wants to give Montgomery the opportunity to make the top 6.

https://i.ibb.co/xjzhNch/Screenshot-20240220-225254-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/Ykf2xK2)

I don't think we will make top six under him to be honest. But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, delighted if we make Europe (which should be the minimum requirement).

[cubehindthegoal]

We cannot seriously punt Monty, we can't. This Employ, Sack, Repeat has to stop.

Aberdeen will be in the market soon, I'll guess Killie will be soon too as he'll be snapped up, Brendan will be gone soon but that's a different market.

Our next manager will be Ian Murray, but take him on too early and we ****** it, let Montys contract run and Murray will be ready in 2 seasons.

Murray has been in management a wee while now, but I’m not convinced he has something .. he has periods where you think his teams are going great guns, then times (like now at Raith) when things take a turn for the worse. I know Monty was in Australia and folk pick bones with that, but then where has Murray managed, if not way below the standard we aim for? Time will tell with both I guess ..

[Since452]

Baffling that 'business people' cannot emply a football coach, and that applies to most top flight teams, Killie done the correct thing and took a proven SPL manager, us and Aberdeen are like 2 drunks chasing a seagull in trying to appoint a manager.

We need to stick with someone, absolutly haemorraging money with the merry-go-round :(

The last real shrewed appointment we made was Jack Ross when Dempster was here. Someone who did well in Scotland and earned a move which didn't quite work out at a basket case club in England. The obvious choice. Since the new regime came in we've tried to be too clever with inexperienced coaches. Trying to find the new Ange. Or not doing our homework on LJ and being sucked in by his interview waffle.

I'm not saying bring back Ross but I'd love us to go for the obvious choice again, stop trying to be clever and build a solid foundation for steady improvement and get some succession plan in place for when that manager eventually moves on.

Get that manager in and back him properly, unlike Ross.

We have the infrastructure and budget to get that part right and become a force. We're currently wasting that opportunity with ***** appointments.

[CallumLaidlaw]

The last real shrewed appointment we made was Jack Ross when Dempster was here. Someone who did well in Scotland and earned a move which didn't quite work out at a basket case club in England. The obvious choice. Since the new regime came in we've tried to be too clever with inexperienced coaches. Trying to find the new Ange. Or not doing our homework on LJ and being sucked in by his interview waffle.

I'm not saying bring back Ross but I'd love us to go for the obvious choice again, stop trying to be clever and build a solid foundation for steady improvement and get some succession plan in place for when that manager eventually moves on.

Get that manager in and back him properly, unlike Ross.

We have the infrastructure and budget to get that part right and become a force. We're currently wasting that opportunity with ***** appointments.

Alex Neill for me.

Him or Mcinnes. But unsure if Mcinnes would leave Killie now for us.


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[JohnM1875]

If we get top six don't think Monty will be going anywhere and I think we'll get top six.

Also think it's wrong to think Black Knights/Foley won't have a say in our next manager. With that in mind it won't be a McInnes or a Lennon type for me. It'll be someone involved in their network probably.

[Henderson2Del]

We cannot seriously punt Monty, we can't. This Employ, Sack, Repeat has to stop.

Aberdeen will be in the market soon, I'll guess Killie will be soon too as he'll be snapped up, Brendan will be gone soon but that's a different market.

Our next manager will be Ian Murray, but take him on too early and we ****** it, let Montys contract run and Murray will be ready in 2 seasons.

If Ian Murray had never played for Hibs, I doubt his name would be mentioned at all, so based on that surely he won’t be a candidate at all when we next are appointing?

[NC1875]

People want to stick with a dud because we’ve had 2 dud managers previously.

Hes shown nothing since his arrival that shows he knows what he’s doing. Talk about making the top 6 as some sort of an achievement is a joke.

McInnes was the obvious choice all along. Doubt he’d come here now though, Alex Neil is now the most obvious choice but that won’t happen even if NM is eventually and rightly sacked.

[easty]

If Ian Murray had never played for Hibs, I doubt his name would be mentioned at all, so based on that surely he won’t be a candidate at all when we next are appointing?

I don't think Ian Murray is the right man for the job, but I don't think he's only being mentioned because he played for us. He's a young Scottish manager doing a good job in the league below us. I think it makes sense for his name to be mentioned for SPL jobs.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't think Ian Murray is the right man for the job, but I don't think he's only being mentioned because he played for us. He's a young Scottish manager doing a good job in the league below us. I think it makes sense for his name to be mentioned for SPL jobs.

I have to agree that I'm not sure Ian Murray is the right man for the job either.

But he has done well and laid foundations for McCabe at Airdrie and kicked Raith on a level this year, but the one common trend in his team is they seem to go on heavy runs both good and bad with the ability concede soft goals that derail their seasons objective, so I guess in some ways he may be perfect for us :greengrin

[Winston Ingram]

Baffling that 'business people' cannot emply a football coach, and that applies to most top flight teams, Killie done the correct thing and took a proven SPL manager, us and Aberdeen are like 2 drunks chasing a seagull in trying to appoint a manager.

We need to stick with someone, absolutly haemorraging money with the merry-go-round :(

I agree. It is baffling. The appointment of Maloney was ridiculous due to the fact we actually sought out a guy whose only men's coaching experience was a bawhair away from putting the cones out every 3 months with Belgium. Monty's was in a pub league.

These sorts of appointments damage the board's credibility as when it inevitably fails, they have nothing to fall back on when it all comes crashing down.

One thing that's for certain is we will haemorrhage a lot more money if we keep this clown.

[Winston Ingram]

Alex Neill for me.

Him or Mcinnes. But unsure if Mcinnes would leave Killie now for us.


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He'd be a very sensible appointment.

[Brightside]

He'd be a very sensible appointment.

Alex Neil win % at Stoke 33%.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Alex Neil win % at Stoke 33%.

Took Hamilton up, took Norwich to the Premier League, got Sunderland promoted (after Jack Ross didn’t)


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[Brightside]

Took Hamilton up, took Norwich to the Premier League, got Sunderland promoted (after Jack Ross didn’t)


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Yeh - I'm only looking at recent form tbh. BUT he was sacked as they wouldn't give him time to implement and rebuild the team. Sounds familiar

Is he not also VERY rangers.

[The Modfather]

I agree. It is baffling. The appointment of Maloney was ridiculous due to the fact we actually sought out a guy whose only men's coaching experience was a bawhair away from putting the cones out every 3 months with Belgium. Monty's was in a pub league.

These sorts of appointments damage the board's credibility as when it inevitably fails, they have nothing to fall back on when it all comes crashing down.

One thing that's for certain is we will haemorrhage a lot more money if we keep this clown.

Think it’s tough to choose what direction to go in. Appointing someone like Ross or Mcinnes will likely lead to more 3rd place finishes. Solid defence, hard working midfield and some quality up top to make the difference. It’s what Ross’ team had, a trademark of Mcinnes teams and what Hearts have been the last 3 seasons. It’s a simple, but effective, formula in the SPL.

It is a formula I personally wouldn’t overly enjoy bar the odd season here or there. I can’t but help want lightning to strike again with a Mowbray type of appointment. Attacking football, high tempo, lots of home grown youngsters etc. That’s the period I enjoyed the most supporting Hibs. The trade off is that it will rarely pay off, as we’ve seen, but will be more enjoyable and memorable than grinding out 3rd place finishes the rare times it does work IMO. When we’re appointing managers I can’t help but want it to be a young manager on the way up with Mowbray my preferred template.

Appreciate others just want what works and finishing 3rd is all that matters for them, which is also a valid opinion.

[matty_f]

Think it’s tough to choose what direction to go in. Appointing someone like Ross or Mcinnes will likely lead to more 3rd place finishes. Solid defence, hard working midfield and some quality up top to make the difference. It’s what Ross’ team had, a trademark of Mcinnes teams and what Hearts have been the last 3 seasons. It’s a simple, but effective, formula in the SPL.

It is a formula I personally wouldn’t overly enjoy bar the odd season here or there. I can’t but help want lightning to strike again with a Mowbray type of appointment. Attacking football, high tempo, lots of home grown youngsters etc. That’s the period I enjoyed the most supporting Hibs. The trade off is that it will rarely pay off, as we’ve seen, but will be more enjoyable and memorable than grinding out 3rd place finishes the rare times it does work IMO. When we’re appointing managers I can’t but help want it to be a young manager on the way up with Mowbray my preferred template.

Appreciate others just want what works and finishing 3rd is all that matters for them, which is also a valid opinion.

That's a better worded way of making the point I tried to make on the Bottom Six thread. I think there's a lot of merit in appointing McInnes, but is he the silver bullet that we need? I'm not so sure.

I would be happy enough if we got him, but there's a world of football managers out there, and the thought of getting another Mowbray in is far more appealing than the Steady Eddie type appointment, to me at least.

[Donegal Hibby]

If we appointed McInnes and he got off to the same start he did at Killie we'd be back to square one in folk calling for his head with threads of " GTF MCINNES" . Aberdeen fans were very split on taking him back mainly due to the style of football he played which as been very evident on our 3 meetings with them which i think is a reason folk wanted Ross gone too.

I only know one preston fan here ( think there is only one ) and he didn't like Alex Neil's style of football, saying he doesn't want to play with wingers , its just a big punt down the pitch . That was around the time we got Daryl Horgan from them I think . Guy might be wrong of course though he wasn't impressed watching Preston when he was there .

If we beat Dundee this weekend we will only be two points behind them in 6th and a top 6 place finish is still very achievable which is why I find it baffling that some are still discussing a change of manager two days before the game

[tamig]

Yeh - I'm only looking at recent form tbh. BUT he was sacked as they wouldn't give him time to implement and rebuild the team. Sounds familiar

Is he not also VERY rangers.

You not mixing him up with Alex Rae?

[JimBHibees]

That's a better worded way of making the point I tried to make on the Bottom Six thread. I think there's a lot of merit in appointing McInnes, but is he the silver bullet that we need? I'm not so sure.

I would be happy enough if we got him, but there's a world of football managers out there, and the thought of getting another Mowbray in is far more appealing than the Steady Eddie type appointment, to me at least.

Actually think given his Aberdeen and Rangers experience there would be some fans not willing to give him much time.

[Ronniekirk]

[QUOTE=Winston Ingram;7591864]I agree. It is baffling. The appointment of Maloney was ridiculous due to the fact we actually sought out a guy whose only men's coaching experience was a bawhair away from putting the cones out every 3 months with Belgium. Monty's was in a pub league.

These sorts of appointments damage the board's credibility as when it inevitably fails, they have nothing to fall back on when it all comes crashing down.

One thing that's for certain is we will haemorrhage a lot more money if we keep this clown.[/QUOTE


when they laid out the criteria they were using to choose new manager I was excited .But then baffled by the appointment
I dint think he comes across that well in interviews Alwsys appears nervous to me
But if he can get us Fifth by end of Season it’s likely we will stick unless Foley is exerting pressure behind the scenes

[Since452]

Took Hamilton up, took Norwich to the Premier League, got Sunderland promoted (after Jack Ross didn’t)


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:agree: I'm probably going to sound like a dinosaur here but managing and being successful in Scotland has got to be a massive KPI for a prospective Hibs manager. Getting Hamilton promoted was an incredible achievement. Sometimes it doesn't work out in England. Ross and McInness for example.

[JimBHibees]

Took Hamilton up, took Norwich to the Premier League, got Sunderland promoted (after Jack Ross didn’t)


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I wonder how much Billy Reid had to do with how good Hamilton were.

[JimBHibees]

People want to stick with a dud because we’ve had 2 dud managers previously.

Hes shown nothing since his arrival that shows he knows what he’s doing. Talk about making the top 6 as some sort of an achievement is a joke.

McInnes was the obvious choice all along. Doubt he’d come here now though, Alex Neil is now the most obvious choice but that won’t happen even if NM is eventually and rightly sacked.

Has he proven to be a dud rather than being in a poor run and trying to bed in new players. Last three games have been ok and we should have had more points from var willing.

Big run of games coming up that is for sure.

[Donegal Hibby]

Alex Neil

Norwich=sacked.
Preston=left by mutual consent.
Stoke =sacked.

[JimBHibees]

Alex Neil

Norwich=sacked.
Preston=left by mutual consent.
Stoke =sacked.

Sunderland stabbed them in the back :greengrin

[supermcginn]

Alex Neil

Norwich=sacked.
Preston=left by mutual consent.
Stoke =sacked.

All managers have been sacked numerous times apart from Guardiola. Neil has a far better track record than our current manager who has failed to win a league game since the start of December.

[Since452]

Has he proven to be a dud rather than being in a poor run and trying to bed in new players. Last three games have been ok and we should have had more points from var willing.

Big run of games coming up that is for sure.

Players seem to have steadily regressed under him IMO. There's been a small improvement performance wise since the transfer window shut but how long before the new players start to regress as well? He took a lot of credit from some for Jair being better. I'm not sure he improved him at all. He just gave him game time. He now doesn't pick him himself.

Been said but Dundee is massive. It could make or break his time here really.

[JimBHibees]

Players seem to have steadily regressed under him IMO. There's been a small improvement performance wise since the transfer window shut but how long before the new players start to regress as well? He took a lot of credit from some for Jair being better. I'm not sure he improved him at all. He just gave him game time. He now doesn't pick him himself.

Been said but Dundee is massive. It could make or break his time here really.

I think that is a fair summary to be honest. There was no excuse for how bad we were against St Mirren irrespective of a few players missing. Need to win on Saturday for sure

[Donegal Hibby]

Sunderland stabbed them in the back :greengrin

Yeah thought it was a strange move for him to do though maybe when you see the lack of backing Mowbray got he might have had good reason to jump ship .

[mcohibs]

Hope those that turned their nose up at McInnes at the start of the season are sitting up and taking notice of the job he’s done at Killie this season.

Beat rangers, beat Celtic twice, knocked them out the league cup. Best home record outside the old firm this season. Lost once in their last 13 games, and that was at Ibrox.

Proven track record of improving teams, consistent league finishes and vast experience in Scottish football. Absolutely the man we should’ve appointed. Hope the ship hasn’t sailed.

[Bakerman]

Hope those that turned their nose up at McInnes at the start of the season are sitting up and taking notice of the job he’s done at Killie this season.

Beat rangers, beat Celtic twice, knocked them out the league cup. Best home record outside the old firm this season. Lost once in their last 13 games, and that was at Ibrox.

Proven track record of improving teams, consistent league finishes and vast experience in Scottish football. Absolutely the man we should’ve appointed. Hope the ship hasn’t sailed.

Aberdeen sacked McInnes, after a shockingly bad run of results, with a run of one goal in nine games. If that happened when he was at ER, this place would be going livid, full on tonto, at his appointment.

[easty]

Has he proven to be a dud rather than being in a poor run and trying to bed in new players. Last three games have been ok and we should have had more points from var willing.

Big run of games coming up that is for sure.

It’s his second “poor run” and they’ve taken up the majority of his time here.

[Donegal Hibby]

All managers have been sacked numerous times apart from Guardiola. Neil has a far better track record than our current manager who has failed to win a league game since the start of December.

His track record is he's failed at 3 out of the 5 clubs he's managed. Norwich relegation ,only won 7 out of 24 games dropping down a league , preston 16th place finish , stoke 16th and then a 20th place finish. Can't say I'd be overly excited by him and what I've been told about they way his team played as well .
Hopefully we will put that right on Saturday too :aok:

[mcohibs]

Aberdeen sacked McInnes, after a shockingly bad run of results, with a run of one goal in nine games. If that happened when he was at ER, this place would be going livid, full on tonto, at his appointment.

And look where Aberdeen are now. Punted a manager that had them second in Scotland for 4 years, reaching 4 cup finals and won the league cup. Since then they’ve had a string of duds and are sitting below even us. Dons would have DM back in a sheep’s heartbeat.

[Since452]

We're currently 7 points worse off than this time last season. And we considered last season to be crap.

[hibsbollah]

Hope those that turned their nose up at McInnes at the start of the season are sitting up and taking notice of the job he’s done at Killie this season.

Beat rangers, beat Celtic twice, knocked them out the league cup. Best home record outside the old firm this season. Lost once in their last 13 games, and that was at Ibrox.

Proven track record of improving teams, consistent league finishes and vast experience in Scottish football. Absolutely the man we should’ve appointed. Hope the ship hasn’t sailed.

We could hardly move on here for threads and posts about how we missed the boat with McInnes and how hes the second coming of Bill Shankly and how he would have been a massive success for us. So we can hardly miss it. Unfortunately without a time machine we dont know how he would have got on in a completely different environment and with different kinds of players so its kind of a circular argument.

[Donegal Hibby]

And look where Aberdeen are now. Punted a manager that had them second in Scotland for 4 years, reaching 4 cup finals and won the league cup. Since then they’ve had a string of duds and are sitting below even us. Dons would have DM back in a sheep’s heartbeat.

According to there forum a lot wouldn't touch him with a barge pole which is surprising how highly rated he is on here.

[superfurryhibby]

We could hardly move on here for threads and posts about how we missed the boat with McInnes and how hes the second coming of Bill Shankly and how he would have been a massive success for us. So we can hardly miss it. Unfortunately without a time machine we dont know how he would have got on in a completely different environment and with different kinds of players so its kind of a circular argument.

I suspect McInnes can manage players at any club with the requisite skills and get the most from what he has at his disposal.

I have my doubts whether or not he would be able to stomach the recruitment focus of our club hierarchy. In fact I have my doubts that any manager who values their future career prospects would be enamoured of it.

Hibs appeal lies with opportunity, for a guy like Monty who wants to advance his career in British football, or maybe to the likes of Johnson or a Lennon who were out of work and not really much in demand.

I have the feeling that the club is viewed as a poisoned chalice and not as some suggest, because of the fans ( what a joke that one is, utter pap).

If Monty can win some games, starting Saturday, and shows some pragmatism around how he sets his team up, then he has a chance at Hibs. That would be the best option for now.

[mcohibs]

Unfortunately without a time machine we dont know how he would have got on in a completely different environment and with different kinds of players so its kind of a circular argument.

Yep, point is though there’s people at our club who are paid handsomely to make those kind of judgement calls and the answer as it turns out was staring them directly in the face.

[Hibees1973]

We're currently 7 points worse off than this time last season. And we considered last season to be crap.

This is the result of Kensell & The Gordons appointing managers.

[Rumble de Thump]

Yep, point is though there’s people at our club who are paid handsomely to make those kind of judgement calls and the answer as it turns out was staring them directly in the face.

If McInnes was at Hibs he, like Montgomery, would still have had to deal with losing key players to international duty at the same time as having numerous key players out injured longterm and repeatedly being robbed of points by match officials.

[Tyler Durden]

His track record is he's failed at 3 out of the 5 clubs he's managed. Norwich relegation ,only won 7 out of 24 games dropping down a league , preston 16th place finish , stoke 16th and then a 20th place finish. Can't say I'd be overly excited by him and what I've been told about they way his team played as well .
Hopefully we will put that right on Saturday too :aok:

Is your post intentionally disingenuous or just a bit simple?

Alex Neil got Norwich promoted. It's not a disgrace to be relegated from the EPL with Norwich - not particularly a bad failure considering they'd have one of the lowest two or three budgets in the league. Daniel ****e got them relegated and he's doing alright now.

Preston he finished 7th and 9th. 7th being their highest league finish in ten years.

Got Sunderland out of League One.

All managers get sacked eventually.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If we appointed McInnes and he got off to the same start he did at Killie we'd be back to square one in folk calling for his head with threads of " GTF MCINNES" . Aberdeen fans were very split on taking him back mainly due to the style of football he played which as been very evident on our 3 meetings with them which i think is a reason folk wanted Ross gone too.

I only know one preston fan here ( think there is only one ) and he didn't like Alex Neil's style of football, saying he doesn't want to play with wingers , its just a big punt down the pitch . That was around the time we got Daryl Horgan from them I think . Guy might be wrong of course though he wasn't impressed watching Preston when he was there .

If we beat Dundee this weekend we will only be two points behind them in 6th and a top 6 place finish is still very achievable which is why I find it baffling that some are still discussing a change of manager two days before the game

The start he got off to at Killie saw him take over in January with them mid table. 3 and a half months later they’d won the league.

[Tyler Durden]

If McInnes was at Hibs he, like Montgomery, would still have had to deal with losing key players to international duty at the same time as having numerous key players out injured longterm and repeatedly being robbed of points by match officials.

He (or any manager worth their salt) would probably have signed players on January 1st to deal with that situation, rather than what Montgomery did. Bringing back Megwa to play a few games and derail what was proving to be a fine season for him at Championship level for little benefit to Hibs.

[Centre Hawf]

Alex Neil

Norwich=sacked.
Preston=left by mutual consent.
Stoke =sacked.

Let's be fair here, majority of managers now will likely end up with a record like this across some clubs if they've managed enough teams in their career. If they don't then they're either massively out of our reach or so inexperienced we need to be careful on appointing them.

If you were offered Brendan Rodgers in the summer you would jump at it, but if you looked at his record he's been sacked from Leicester and Liverpool and stabbed Celtic in the back and potentially mutually consented this summer. It doesn't really mean anything without the context of their career and achievements, or lack of, to go with it


His track record is he's failed at 3 out of the 5 clubs he's managed. Norwich relegation ,only won 7 out of 24 games dropping down a league, preston 16th place finish , stoke 16th and then a 20th place finish. Can't say I'd be overly excited by him and what I've been told about they way his team played as well .
Hopefully we will put that right on Saturday too :aok:

I think it's disingenuous to say he failed at Norwich when you reduce his time there to just a relegation from the Premier League. He was majority of the reason they even got there and his Norwich team played some nice stuff that season they went down, but they were always odds on for the drop.

[Donegal Hibby]

Is your post intentionally disingenuous or just a bit simple?

Alex Neil got Norwich promoted. It's not a disgrace to be relegated from the EPL with Norwich - not particularly a bad failure considering they'd have one of the lowest two or three budgets in the league. Daniel ****e got them relegated and he's doing alright now.

Preston he finished 7th and 9th. 7th being their highest league finish in ten years.

Got Sunderland out of League One.

All managers get sacked eventually.

By no means is it a disgrace to get relegated from the EPL though Norwich's form seemed to continue being bad after dropping down a league too . Yeah I've watched Leeds this year and they are playing some lovely attacking football maybe they should have stuck with him as manager. Something btw I've been told Neil's teams don't do .

He still failed at Preston though as he did at Norwich and stoke in the end .

He took over Sunderland when they were I think 3rd and only something like 2 or 3 points of top !

Don't think my post was disgenuous or abit simple, I just don't think Alex Neil is the football Messiah you and a few others are making out he is frankly !.

[Winston Ingram]

Alex Neil

Norwich=sacked.
Preston=left by mutual consent.
Stoke =sacked.



He got Norwich promoted to the Premier League. He was at Preston for 4 years and their fans loved him. He got Sunderland promoted to the Championship and he was poached by Stoke.

Stoke is the only bad job on his CV. He took them over when they were at the arse end of the Championship after Michael O'Neil was sacked and left at the arse end of the Championship.

[Winston Ingram]

By no means is it a disgrace to get relegated from the EPL though Norwich's form seemed to continue being bad after dropping down a league too . Yeah I've watched Leeds this year and they are playing some lovely attacking football maybe they should have stuck with him as manager. Something btw I've been told Neil's teams don't do .

He still failed at Preston though as he did at Norwich and stoke in the end .

He took over Sunderland when they were I think 3rd and only something like 2 or 3 points of top !

Don't think my post was disgenuous or abit simple, I just don't think Alex Neil is the football Messiah you and a few others are making out he is frankly !.

How did he fail at Preston? They're one of the smaller clubs in that league and they kept him for 4 years.

[CentreLine]

Hope those that turned their nose up at McInnes at the start of the season are sitting up and taking notice of the job he’s done at Killie this season.

Beat rangers, beat Celtic twice, knocked them out the league cup. Best home record outside the old firm this season. Lost once in their last 13 games, and that was at Ibrox.

Proven track record of improving teams, consistent league finishes and vast experience in Scottish football. Absolutely the man we should’ve appointed. Hope the ship hasn’t sailed.

Not saying he’s a terrible manager but feel Killie’s goon home record is more down to their pitch surface and its being made artificially small to get an unfair advantage.

[big gogs]

This is the result of Kensell & The Gordons appointing managers.
They didn’t know they were until they were appointed.i can imagine after the interviews,what do you think Ben ,I agree with you Ian ,he is crap,but he is the man for us.only after the appointment we will discover if they are any good..nobody can tell in advance of success or failure.that of course covers the players abilities.

[Centre Hawf]

By no means is it a disgrace to get relegated from the EPL though Norwich's form seemed to continue being bad after dropping down a league too . Yeah I've watched Leeds this year and they are playing some lovely attacking football maybe they should have stuck with him as manager. Something btw I've been told Neil's teams don't do .

He still failed at Preston though as he did at Norwich and stoke in the end .

He took over Sunderland when they were I think 3rd and only something like 2 or 3 points of top !

Don't think my post was disgenuous or abit simple, I just don't think Alex Neil is the football Messiah you and a few others are making out he is frankly !.

The point is he didn't fail at Norwich though, he got them promoted to the Premier League at 33/34 year old and then eventually it ran out of steam after a very much expected relegation (which they kept him after) and they decided a change was needed in March when the playoffs had slipped away. It's a fair job that he did, it's not a blanket failure to ever be asked to leave if you've actually achieved something as well.

Sunderland he took over after Lee Johnson got gubbed 6-0 from Bolton and were on a 3 match losing run when he walked in, he only lost 1 out of his 18 matches that season and got them promoted, he was a success.

[Winston Ingram]

The point is he didn't fail at Norwich though, he got them promoted to the Premier League at 33/34 year old and then eventually it ran out of steam after a very much expected relegation (which they kept him after) and they decided a change was needed in March when the playoffs had slipped away. It's a fair job that he did, it's not a blanket failure to ever be asked to leave if you've actually achieved something as well.

Sunderland he took over after Lee Johnson got gubbed 6-0 from Bolton and were on a 3 match losing run when he walked in, he only lost 1 out of his 18 matches that season and got them promoted, he was a success.

He's only failed at Stoke and they were a basket case.

He was a massive success at Sunderland, Norwich and Hamilton.

I dunno what success at Preston is supposed to look like being one of the smaller clubs in the championship but he kept that job for 4 years so he must've been doing something right.

[Alex Trager]

The start he got off to at Killie saw him take over in January with them mid table. 3 and a half months later they’d won the league.

We’ve discussed this before, he was mid table but they were something like 5 points off top.

Saying mid table makes it sound like he’s come in well adrift and worked wonders.

Was it not the last day he got them promoted?

He has done well, but I don’t see why there is a need to work this up this way, he never done miraculously that first season.

[Centre Hawf]

He's only failed at Stoke and they were a basket case.

He was a massive success at Sunderland, Norwich and Hamilton.

I dunno what success at Preston is supposed to look like being one of the smaller clubs in the championship but he kept that job for 4 years so he must've been doing something right.

I'll admit I never watched his Preston side but if you got nearly 200 games as manager at a club you've probably done something right at some point.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We’ve discussed this before, he was mid table but they were something like 5 points off top.

Saying mid table makes it sound like he’s come in well adrift and worked wonders.

Was it not the last day he got them promoted?

He has done well, but I don’t see why there is a need to work this up this way, he never done miraculously that first season.

He took them over after 19 games and won the league after 35. Whether they were 5 points off top or not, he still had to make up that 5 points and the fact they were mid table is relevant as it means they had to better the points total of numerous teams who were already above them.

Nobody is claiming it was a miracle, but it was a very decent achievement from where they were when he took over. At that point, they weren’t very well fancied to win the league. The idea Hibs fans would have wanted him sacked had he come in and done similar here as was suggested is just silly.

[Alex Trager]

He took them over after 19 games and won the league after 35. Whether they were 5 points off top or not, he still had to make up that 5 points and the fact they were mid table is relevant as it means they had to better the points total of numerous teams who were already above them.

Nobody is claiming it was a miracle, but it was a very decent achievement from where they were when he took over. At that point, they weren’t very well fancied to win the league. The idea Hibs fans would have wanted him sacked had he come in and done similar here as was suggested is just silly.

Aye but being there’s being mid table, us right now, and there’s being mid table, 5 points off the top of the league.

I’m not convinced it is that great an achievement from where he took over.

He done well. He has done very well so far this season. I think he would do well here.

But I don’t agree with you re his first season, and suspect the language you use is because you think the reality of being x (5?) points behind the league leaders and winning the league is less impressive than saying they were mid table and then won the league.

[blackpoolhibs]

Aberdeen sacked McInnes, after a shockingly bad run of results, with a run of one goal in nine games. If that happened when he was at ER, this place would be going livid, full on tonto, at his appointment.

He surely had enough in the bank for the club to back him through a difficult season, as did Jack Ross, but of course the noise from the fans of both clubs resulted in both not getting the time their previous record deserved, and in our case backing him as well as his successors were.

[Tyler Durden]

By no means is it a disgrace to get relegated from the EPL though Norwich's form seemed to continue being bad after dropping down a league too . Yeah I've watched Leeds this year and they are playing some lovely attacking football maybe they should have stuck with him as manager. Something btw I've been told Neil's teams don't do .

He still failed at Preston though as he did at Norwich and stoke in the end .

He took over Sunderland when they were I think 3rd and only something like 2 or 3 points of top !

Don't think my post was disgenuous or abit simple, I just don't think Alex Neil is the football Messiah you and a few others are making out he is frankly !.

I don't really care about Alex Neil, I've never touted him for the Hibs job. Just pointing out your post was nonsense.

I'm sure you'll come back with another post every 5 minutes just repeating the same uninformed basic stuff though - you bash on

[hibsbollah]

I suspect McInnes can manage players at any club with the requisite skills and get the most from what he has at his disposal.

I have my doubts whether or not he would be able to stomach the recruitment focus of our club hierarchy. In fact I have my doubts that any manager who values their future career prospects would be enamoured of it.

Hibs appeal lies with opportunity, for a guy like Monty who wants to advance his career in British football, or maybe to the likes of Johnson or a Lennon who were out of work and not really much in demand.

I have the feeling that the club is viewed as a poisoned chalice and not as some suggest, because of the fans ( what a joke that one is, utter pap).

If Monty can win some games, starting Saturday, and shows some pragmatism around how he sets his team up, then he has a chance at Hibs. That would be the best option for now.

I know, i know. Im just a bit sick of reading from McInnes’ devotees all these ‘i told you so’ posts. They seem to be blissfully unaware that you can only be smug with hindsight if you’ve seen both sides of a scenario played out, ie-Monty and McInnes BOTH managing Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aye but being there’s being mid table, us right now, and there’s being mid table, 5 points off the top of the league.

I’m not convinced it is that great an achievement from where he took over.

He done well. He has done very well so far this season. I think he would do well here.

But I don’t agree with you re his first season, and suspect the language you use is because you think the reality of being x (5?) points behind the league leaders and winning the league is less impressive than saying they were mid table and then won the league.

Of course there’s different circumstances of being mid table. At the end of the day though he still overhauled numerous teams that were ahead when he took over, and he managed to do it to an extent they could no longer be caught after 16 games. A 9 (at least, may have been more?) point swing in 16 games that renders numerous teams that were ahead of you unable to catch you is impressive, surely?

You don’t agree with me re his first season? He won the league. I find it hard to believe anyone can think that’s not at the very least ‘very decent’ as I suggested.

As for the language used, I think it was a fairly impressive feat regardless of what language you use. There was numerous teams performing better than Kilmarnock in that league that season before he took over. He made up ground and ultimately surpassed all of them over slightly less than half a season and with a game to spare.

Put it this way. If we’d sacked NM after St Mirren and reigned in the teams above us to the point we finished 4th this season, with a game to spare, that would have been very decent and in the grand scheme of things, a very similar achievement.

[Heisenberg]

Of course there’s different circumstances of being mid table. At the end of the day though he still overhauled numerous teams that were ahead when he took over, and he managed to do it to an extent they could no longer be caught after 16 games. A 9 (at least, may have been more?) point swing in 16 games that renders numerous teams that were ahead of you unable to catch you is impressive, surely?

You don’t agree with me re his first season? He won the league. I find it hard to believe anyone can think that’s not at the very least ‘very decent’ as I suggested.

As for the language used, I think it was a fairly impressive feat regardless of what language you use. There was numerous teams performing better than Kilmarnock in that league that season before he took over. He made up ground and ultimately surpassed all of them over less than half a season and with a game to spare

Am I missing something? He was appointed on the 4th of January with Killie in third place and four points off the top (behind Arbroath and Inverness). It’s not like he had to get in front of half the league. He did the job that was expected given they had by far the biggest budget.

What he’s doing this season is impressive and I didn’t entirely expect it, he’s actually started getting results away from home now which was something he really struggled with for a long time at Killie.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Am I missing something? He was appointed on the 4th of January with Killie in third place and four points off the top (behind Arbroath and Inverness). It’s not like he had to get in front of half the league. He did the job that was expected given they had by far the biggest budget.

What he’s doing this season is impressive and I didn’t entirely expect it, he’s actually started getting results away from home now which was something he really struggled with for a long time at Killie.

They were 4th in a 10 team league, 5 points off top, or at least that’s what the news outlets reported at the time. After match day 35, when they won the league, they were 4 points clear, so they had a 9 point swing from the point of him taking over to them winning the league with a game to spare whilst also out performing 3 other teams who had been better than Kilmarnock before he took over.

As I said, nobody is suggesting he’s a miracle worker for doing that, but it’s not to be sniffed at, and going back to the original post I replied to, it’s most definitely not something Hibs fans would be hounding out a manager for.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't really care about Alex Neil, I've never touted him for the Hibs job. Just pointing out your post was nonsense.

I'm sure you'll come back with another post every 5 minutes just repeating the same uninformed basic stuff though - you bash on

Nah not really it's just that you don't agree with it so narrow mindedly you call it nonsense , simple , uninformed which is poor wording from a debate point of view and along the lines of something donald trump would say .

No need for a post from me every 5 minutes as we have a manager who we should be backing instead of this nonsense which is totally negative and unproductive two days before an important game too .

Though if it makes you happy by all means carry on mate .

https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/surely-now-alex-neil-must-go.57116/

[easty]

Am I missing something? He was appointed on the 4th of January with Killie in third place and four points off the top (behind Arbroath and Inverness). It’s not like he had to get in front of half the league. He did the job that was expected given they had by far the biggest budget.

What he’s doing this season is impressive and I didn’t entirely expect it, he’s actually started getting results away from home now which was something he really struggled with for a long time at Killie.

That in itself is an achievement. Doing what you're expected to do.

We're currently behind Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Dundee in the table. Have scored less goals than 3rd bottom Motherwell, and conceded more than 2nd bottom St Johnstone.

So, doing what's expected of us, considering our budget would be an achievement.

[Gordy M]

I work with 2 killie season ticket holders. Ive posted this before, but last season they wanted him gone. Football was awful and only narrowly escaped relegation play off. They were desperate for Hibs to come and get him when Monty was appointed. This season they are happier, but still have concerns due to their away record. Think its like 4 wins in 2 years away from the plastic park... in the league.

[easty]

I work with 2 killie season ticket holders. Ive posted this before, but last season they wanted him gone. Football was awful and only narrowly escaped relegation play off. They were desperate for Hibs to come and get him when Monty was appointed. This season they are happier, but still have concerns due to their away record. Think its like 4 wins in 2 years away from the plastic park... in the league.

If there are Killie fans who have concerns this season then that’s absolutely mental.

[Gordy M]

If there are Killie fans who have concerns this season then that’s absolutely mental.

Obv i dont see a lot of them so can only go with what they say. Get the feeling its like when Ross was in charge here. They dont dominate teams, but are difficult to break down. Managed a few results at home but are struggling away.

[Hibeesdaft16]

How did he fail at Preston? They're one of the smaller clubs in that league and they kept him for 4 years.

:greengrin
He will claim Neil failed at Norwich despite getting them in the EPL and Preston despite the high league positions and him being let down by the guy in charge of transfers BUT Lee Johnson was a total success at Bristol City and Sunderland. :confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

If there are Killie fans who have concerns this season then that’s absolutely mental.

:agree:

They’ve picked up 12 points from 13 away games. For a team with the budget of Kilmarnock, that’s absolutely fine when you can tie it in with an even decent home record, never mind an excellent one like they have.

[Bakerman]

He surely had enough in the bank for the club to back him through a difficult season, as did Jack Ross, but of course the noise from the fans of both clubs resulted in both not getting the time their previous record deserved, and in our case backing him as well as his successors were.

Good post. He probably should have had enough in the bank for Aberdeen to have backed him to the hilt, no doubt about it. Don't get me wrong, I think McInnes would have been a good manager for Hibernian, however, I'm holding out for continued improvement from Monty, starting with Saturday. Its a must win against Dundee, or even the most mild mannered fans could turn vocal. I'll back the current manager, until we have another meltdown, like St Mirren, then things might change.

[Donegal Hibby]

:greengrin
He will claim Neil failed at Norwich despite getting them in the EPL and Preston despite the high league positions and him being let down by the guy in charge of transfers BUT Lee Johnson was a total success at Bristol City and Sunderland. :confused:

Your making stuff up AGAIN which seems to be becoming a habit with you .

[007]

:agree:

They’ve picked up 12 points from 13 away games. For a team with the budget of Kilmarnock, that’s absolutely fine when you can tie it in with an even decent home record, never mind an excellent one like they have.

Already better than the 8 points away from home all last season. Just goes to show what giving a manager a bit of time can do for you. Just as well they have the plastic pitch advantage otherwise they may well have gone straight back down.

[Sparrows tongue]

:greengrin
He will claim Neil failed at Norwich despite getting them in the EPL and Preston despite the high league positions and him being let down by the guy in charge of transfers BUT Lee Johnson was a total success at Bristol City and Sunderland. :confused:

That's just not true.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Your making stuff up AGAIN which seems to be becoming a habit with you .


You agree Johnson was a failure at Bristol City then?

The irony, coming from you :greengrin

[Hibeesdaft16]

That's just not true.


What part?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Already better than the 8 points away from home all last season. Just goes to show what giving a manager a bit of time can do for you. Just as well they have the plastic pitch advantage otherwise they may well have gone straight back down.

It goes to show what giving a good manager time can do. And to get that time, he’s done consistently well with them.

[Donegal Hibby]

You agree Johnson was a failure at Bristol City then?

The irony, coming from you :greengrin

Your changing the subject in what I said " that you are once AGAIN making stuff up " only goes to prove that you know you are too . Classic case of denial .

[Hibeesdaft16]

Your changing the subject in what I said " that you are once AGAIN making stuff up " only goes to prove that you know you are too . Classic case of denial .

Was Johnson a failure at Bristol City or not? He must have been considering you claim Neil was at Preston and Norwich right?

A yes or no would suffice, cheers.

[Sparrows tongue]

What part?

The part you made up.

[Hibeesdaft16]

The part you made up.


What part was the exactly?

[007]

It goes to show what giving a good manager time can do. And to get that time, he’s done consistently well with them.

Got off to a slow start and now doing well 2 years and 5 transfer windows in.

[Since452]

McInnnes had been at Aberdeen 8 years I'm sure. That's almost unheard of these days. I think it was a case of both parties needing a change. His record there was pretty remarkable in terms of league position and Europe. He's also won their only trophy in the last 30 years and got them to numerous other finals. Doing a brilliant job at Kilmarnock now.

[007]

McInnnes had been at Aberdeen 8 years I'm sure. That's almost unheard of these days. I think it was a case of both parties needing a change. His record there was pretty remarkable in terms of league position and Europe. He's also won their only trophy in the last 30 years and got them to numerous other finals. Doing a brilliant job at Kilmarnock now.

Had 2nd biggest budget in the league for 3 years and 3rd biggest for 5. Got 4 2nd places 1 3rd and 3 4ths so about level par or slighty worse.

Won 1 League Cup by beating Alloa, Falkirk, Motherwell, St Johnstone, Inverness on penalties (0-0 aet)

Doing well at Killie thanks to being given time.

[Heisenberg]

If there are Killie fans who have concerns this season then that’s absolutely mental.

There were definitely Killie fans moaning about his record in away games after we’d beaten them 1-0 at ER this season. Seems to have picked up significantly since then though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Got off to a slow start and now doing well 2 years and 5 transfer windows in.

Na, he didn’t. He took them over 4th in the league, 5 points off top. Within 10 games he took them to the top of the league, 2 points ahead, a position they never relinquished on their way to winning the title with a game to spare.

There was no slow start. He earned time by doing well. It’s as simple as that.

[Donegal Hibby]

:greengrin
He will claim Neil failed at Norwich despite getting them in the EPL and Preston despite the high league positions and him being let down by the guy in charge of transfers BUT Lee Johnson was a total success at Bristol City and Sunderland. :confused:

Totally not going to acknowledge your post of making things up in claiming what I'm going say next , are you ?:rolleyes:

[007]

Na, he didn’t. He took them over 4th in the league, 5 points off top. Within 10 games he took them to the top of the league, a position they never relinquished on their way to winning the title with a game to spare.

There was no slow start. He earned time by doing well. It’s as simple as that.

4th in the table and 5 points off the top, you forgot to mention the had a game in hand on 2 of the teams above (convenient). They finished 2 points above part time Arbroath.

Went top after 10 games when the other teams around them had played less games in the same time period.

If that's such a great start then they regressed the next season, the big advantage of the plastic pitch possibly saved them from going straight back down. 32 points at home and 8 points away.

https://i.ibb.co/wsjBTnR/Screenshot-20240221-183333-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/hfwLkGy)

[Paulie Walnuts]

4th in the table and 5 points of the top, you forgot to mention the had a game in hand on 2 of the teams above (convenient). They finished 2 points above part time Arbroath.

Went top after 10 games when the other teams around them had played less games in the same time period.

If that's such a great start then they regressed the next season, the big advantage of the plastic pitch possibly saved them from going straight back down. 32 points at home and 8 points away.

https://i.ibb.co/wsjBTnR/Screenshot-20240221-183333-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/hfwLkGy)

A game in hand that McInnes had to win.

To be fair, your suggestion McInnes was potentially below par as Aberdeen manager should have been my cue to stop replying.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Totally not going to acknowledge your post of making things up in claiming what I'm going say next , are you ?:rolleyes:

You have claimed many a time that Johnson done a good job at Bristol City, in fact there was a time you couldn't stop repeating it.

You want to belittle the achievements of the likes of McInness and Neil and make up reasons why they failed but ignore they reasons when it comes to Johnson.

So I ask you again, if you want to belittle Alex Neil at Norwich, how good a job did Johnson do at Bristol City? It's an easy question to answer to be honest.

[Donegal Hibby]

You have claimed many a time that Johnson done a good job at Bristol City, in fact there was a time you couldn't stop repeating it.

You want to belittle the achievements of the likes of McInness and Neil and make up reasons why they failed but ignore they reasons when it comes to Johnson.

So I ask you again, if you want to belittle Alex Neil at Norwich, how good a job did Johnson do at Bristol City? It's an easy question to answer to be honest.

I think other folk including yourself are dragging up LJ more than me now .

I don't think I have actually belittled McInnes or Neil's achievements btw .

McInnes has a good record even though it was probably made abit easier without Hibs , hertz and Sevco not being in the top flight for awhile .

I don't want McInnes as manager purely because I don't like the football his teams play which has been brought up on here when he was Aberdeen and Killie manager and which is also why a lot of Aberdeen fans wouldn't want him back either.

Alex Neil did do well getting Norwich up through the play offs . I'm not denying that though the wheels came off the bus after that and they were relegated and continued to struggle in the championship the following season. I've also been told by a PNE fan is football was horrible to watch as well. Abit of belittling for you.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/surely-now-alex-neil-must-go.57116/

LJ took over Bristol city when they were relegation threatened and probably left them in a better place than when he joined them first though I think inconsistency cost him his job as they went four games or something without a win .

All this of course is a deflection on your part in something you posted that was totally incorrect and made up nonsense that i was going to say . Hopefully you'll be big enough to admit it now .

[Hibees1973]

Montgomery is a likeable guy. Much more bearable following Hibs with him in charge compared to Maloney or Johnson.

However, if we get beat on Saturday and is fired then McInnes rocks up at Easter Road this time next week you would have no complaints from me.

[Bakerman]

Montgomery is a likeable guy. Much more bearable following Hibs with him in charge compared to Maloney or Johnson.

However, if we get beat on Saturday and is fired then McInnes rocks up at Easter Road this time next week you would have no complaints from me

I can't foresee anytime McInnes will rock up into Hibernian. Just my feeling, not based on any facts or inside knowledge. If he does he would have my backing, as every Hibernian manager does until becoming untenable. Cannot see it.

Hope Monty and the team prevail on Saturday, and, that he becomes a long term successful manager for the club.

[IberianHibernian]

Montgomery is a likeable guy. Much more bearable following Hibs with him in charge compared to Maloney or Johnson.

However, if we get beat on Saturday and is fired then McInnes rocks up at Easter Road this time next week you would have no complaints from me. In your first sentence are you meaning you like NM more than his 2 predecessors based solely on interviews ? As for second point , I`d be really disappointed if McInnes was our manager this time next week whatever happens against Dundee ( and Hearts though game will be this time next week more or less ) . Would suggest we `ve been tapping him up and are prepared to pay massive compensation without looking at other options . Hopefully results in the next 3 games are good enough to let us still have a good chance of making the top 6 and so challenge for European places while enjoying cup tie and hopefully looking forward to the semi and beyond . If results go badly , especially if performances are poor or don`t suggest things are going to get better , and club decisionmakers decide NM shouldn`t continue then I`d hope they`d look for someone to keep us in top division while looking for a new manager for next season .

[J-C]

This thread is going down the pan like many others when the tit for tat posts start, sooo boring, he said this and he said that and repeat.

[007]

A game in hand that McInnes had to win.

To be fair, your suggestion McInnes was potentially below par as Aberdeen manager should have been my cue to stop replying.

He finished 4th in his last 3 seasons (albeit he didn't complete the last one). They had the 3rd biggest budget. We have the 5th biggest budget so the equivalent would be finishing 6th.

Compared to budget he finished a place above twice, a place below 4 times and level twice. I said that was about level par or slighty worse. I don't see what is unreasonable about that. If anything it's the campaign you've had going for months about how good he's been that's unreasonable. IMO he is not as good as you've been trying to make out. He's a decent manager and I daresay if he ever got the Hibs job he'd have us finishing around 5th each season but he'd need time and 2 or 3 transfer windows, a lot of Hibs fans don't have that sort of patience.

[matty_f]

He finished 4th in his last 3 seasons (albeit he didn't complete the last one). They had the 3rd biggest budget. We have the 5th biggest budget so the equivalent would be finishing 6th.

Compared to budget he finished a place above twice, a place below 4 times and level twice. I said that was about level par or slighty worse. I don't see what is unreasonable about that. If anything it's the campaign you've had going for months about how good he's been that's unreasonable. IMO he is not as good as you've been trying to make out. He's a decent manager and I daresay if he ever got the Hibs job he'd have us finishing around 5th each season but he'd need time and 2 or 3 transfer windows, a lot of Hibs fans don't have that sort of patience.

Good post. :agree:

I doubt his budget in his first season up with Killie was as bad as their league placing as well.

[thebausburst]

I think other folk including yourself are dragging up LJ more than me now .

I don't think I have actually belittled McInnes or Neil's achievements btw .

McInnes has a good record even though it was probably made abit easier without Hibs , hertz and Sevco not being in the top flight for awhile .

I don't want McInnes as manager purely because I don't like the football his teams play which has been brought up on here when he was Aberdeen and Killie manager and which is also why a lot of Aberdeen fans wouldn't want him back either.

Alex Neil did do well getting Norwich up through the play offs . I'm not denying that though the wheels came off the bus after that and they were relegated and continued to struggle in the championship the following season. I've also been told by a PNE fan is football was horrible to watch as well. Abit of belittling for you.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/surely-now-alex-neil-must-go.57116/

LJ took over Bristol city when they were relegation threatened and probably left them in a better place than when he joined them first though I think inconsistency cost him his job as they went four games or something without a win .

All this of course is a deflection on your part in something you posted that was totally incorrect and made up nonsense that i was going to say . Hopefully you'll be big enough to admit it now .

Yeah who wants McInnes with his eye bleeding winning football, let’s stick with Montyball where last time we won a league game I hadn’t even started my Xmas shopping 👍

[Trinity Hibee]

Had 2nd biggest budget in the league for 3 years and 3rd biggest for 5. Got 4 2nd places 1 3rd and 3 4ths so about level par or slighty worse.

Won 1 League Cup by beating Alloa, Falkirk, Motherwell, St Johnstone, Inverness on penalties (0-0 aet)

Doing well at Killie thanks to being given time.

So a manager who achieved pretty much what was expected given the budget. Something that we have never consistently done.

Question: do you think if it had been Hibs in the top flight and rangers, hearts and Aberdeen in the championship, would we have got 2nd place all of those years? I can pretty much guarantee we wouldn’t have. We are never consistent over a 2-3 season period

[Greenio]

McInnes at Killie is a prime example of why you shouldn't pull the trigger too early on a manager. Could have been binned, wasn't, now see

[WhileTheChief..]

Seems like the folk most against McInnes are the ones that enjoyed our times under Maloney, LJ and now NM.

[Since452]

McInnes at Killie is a prime example of why you shouldn't pull the trigger too early on a manager. Could have been binned, wasn't, now see

To be fair McInnes is a proven manager at our level for over a decade and came in and got Killie promoted. A lot of people credit Lennon with getting us promoted but doing it with Killie is a far bigger achievement. Killie binning him would have been madness.

[Alex Trager]

To be fair McInnes is a proven manager at our level for over a decade and came in and got Killie promoted. A lot of people credit Lennon with getting us promoted but doing it with Killie is a far bigger achievement. Killie binning him would have been madness.

It’s no really a much bigger achievement.

They had the biggest budget in the division.

So did we.

[Since452]

It’s no really a much bigger achievement.

They had the biggest budget in the division.

So did we.

Killle were at a low ebb when he came in. We'd just won the Scottish cup, were riding that wave and had arguably the best midfield in Scotland. I think there was quite a bit of difference.

[NC1875]

McInnes at Killie is a prime example of why you shouldn't pull the trigger too early on a manager. Could have been binned, wasn't, now see

There’s a difference. Killie knew McInnes was a good manager.

Montgomery has shown nothing so far to suggest he’s anything but another dud unfortunately. Clueless

[Donegal Hibby]

Yeah who wants McInnes with his eye bleeding winning football, let’s stick with Montyball where last time we won a league game I hadn’t even started my Xmas shopping 👍

A lot of the Aberdeen fans for starters didn't want it again which should tell you something, Killie stuck with him when he was struggling so maybe we should stick with Monty until the end of the season to see were we finish . A top 6 finish is still very possible . 👍

[NC1875]

A lot of the Aberdeen fans for starters didn't want it again which should tell you something, Killie stuck with him when he was struggling so maybe we should stick with Monty until the end of the season to see were we finish . A top 6 finish is still very possible . 👍

I always hear this. I only know 2 Aberdeen fans and both of them would have McInnes back in a heartbeat.

And a top 6 finish should be no guarantee of him keeping his job. We’ve been terrible since he came in.

[Donegal Hibby]

I always hear this. I only know 2 Aberdeen fans and both of them would have McInnes back in a heartbeat.

And a top 6 finish should be no guarantee of him keeping his job. We’ve been terrible since he came in.

You should check out the Aberdeen forum , yes some wanted him back when robson was sacked though others didn't . A few references to hoof , route one football mentioned. Opinions seem quite split in fairness. Top 6 finish and we should stick with him and allow him more than just one transfer window, he didn't even have a pre season with us either , how many transfer windows has McInnes had at Killie?.

[matty_f]

Seems like the folk most against McInnes are the ones that enjoyed our times under Maloney, LJ and now NM.

Maloney was dreadful, LJ had his moments - it definitely wasn't all bad and yes, some of the games under him were excellent, just as others were brutal.

Monty hasn't really produced an enjoyable 90 but I would say I've enjoyed the last three games. Very little to like before that, though, other than the odd moment here and there.

[Jones28]

Got a hunch that when Warnock leaves Aberdeen McInness will go back up there.

[Centre Hawf]

Maloney was dreadful, LJ had his moments - it definitely wasn't all bad and yes, some of the games under him were excellent, just as others were brutal.

Monty hasn't really produced an enjoyable 90 but I would say I've enjoyed the last three games. Very little to like before that, though, other than the odd moment here and there.

This is it for me, I've not enjoyed a single whole game of football that was against a decent level of opposition under this manager this season. At least LJ gave us Luzern home and away in this season as well with the majority of these players that the current manager has had.

Despite all the fanfare early on I still do not see what style of play he actually wants us to play beside playing it short from goal kicks which is not even a style it's just an instruction like playing short corners or to the back post.

I didn't enjoy Aberdeen personally, I feel like I'm in the minority though as everyone told me how good a game it was (I thought both teams were garbage defensively and Aberdeen were wave after wave of attack but couldn't finish) and while we did well to get a draw out of a losing position I was still left feeling like we weren't moving in any real direction of improvement.

[Brightside]

Enjoying a whole 90 maybe needs a bit more detail? Ive watched plenty games at easter rd this season where post game most of us have said "I enjoyed that" "good game"

I'm not sure you would ever enjoy a full 90 mins.

[matty_f]

Enjoying a whole 90 maybe needs a bit more detail? Ive watched plenty games at easter rd this season where post game most of us have said "I enjoyed that" "good game"

I'm not sure you would ever enjoy a full 90 mins.

Maybe not literally the whole 90 minutes but even the majority of both halves. I would say the last three games have all been enjoyable and entertaining - plenty goals, some good play, lots of attacking intent from us. It's been good., I put no conditions on that, I enjoyed it.


Before that, the games have been a slog with occasional outbreaks of entertainment. Dundee away was good, Tiny was good in the second half, the derby at Easter Rd was entertaining even though we ended up on the wrong end of the result, but overall the first part of the season hasn't had many highlights and I don't think it's unfair to say that.

[Brightside]

Maybe not literally the whole 90 minutes but even the majority of both halves. I would say the last three games have all been enjoyable and entertaining - plenty goals, some good play, lots of attacking intent from us. It's been good., I put no conditions on that, I enjoyed it.


Before that, the games have been a slog with occasional outbreaks of entertainment. Dundee away was good, Tiny was good in the second half, the derby at Easter Rd was entertaining even though we ended up on the wrong end of the result, but overall the first part of the season hasn't had many highlights and I don't think it's unfair to say that.

Aberdeen at ER?

[matty_f]

Aberdeen at ER?

Yeah it was a decent game but we got battered for much of it, definitely in the second half. I didn't say there were no highlights, but they are few and far between. Far more games that were almost instantly forgettable than games that I left the ground buzzing about.

[SickBoy32]

Season has been very dull, at times brutal, other than the 2 Luzern games IMO. St Mirren quarter final, comeback at the Tiny Castle the only other really notable results.

Dreadful to say that when we’re on the cusp of March.

Wouldn’t entirely blame the manager either, any club sacking a manager with days remaining in the summer transfer window is a total shambles and doomed to failure.

Long term ST holder but seriously considering not bothering next year, don’t think I’ve ever felt as disconnected with the club, probably even more so now than 2012-14.

[Centre Hawf]

Enjoying a whole 90 maybe needs a bit more detail? Ive watched plenty games at easter rd this season where post game most of us have said "I enjoyed that" "good game"

I'm not sure you would ever enjoy a full 90 mins.

I'll admit I've went back through the results and he did meet my criteria on the St Johnstone 2-0 win early on in his tenure. But since then we've not been in total control of a game well enough to have had it sown up after an hour or going into the last 20 minutes feeling like we were going to win this and then seeing it out comfortably.

I don't know if this is an unrealistic expectation to have every so often in a season anymore, but since he's come in it feels like we're having to really scrap for even a point out of games, even some games where we're ahead and appear to be on easy street he's blown with stupid subs.

Ross County at home - 2-0 up after 50 odd minutes and he makes daft subs like Delf in midfield with Levitt and changing a settled back 4 that night, we concede two and were probably luck to escape with a point come the end.
St Mirren in the cup - we go a goal up and he decides to make a triple sub again and we're a goal down within a minute or two. Thankfully we won in the end but a late scare.
St Mirren away - we're a goal up and take off Vente for Landers, who sadly looked so out of his depth that St Mirren didn't need to sit back and watch for the threat and instead could just keep pushing and pushing for that equaliser.

The last time we've been in a position like that we beat Aberdeen 2-0 in December at Easter Road, but I'm sure most who were there can attest to the fact the last 20 minutes felt like the Alamo with last ditch clearances of the line and it coming off the post a few times, including Marsh saving a penalty. It was far from comfy viewing.

I would just like to see us, whenever we start winning again, also be able to look comfortable and maintain a solid performance for 90 minutes.

[Superfurry72]

Maybe not literally the whole 90 minutes but even the majority of both halves. I would say the last three games have all been enjoyable and entertaining - plenty goals, some good play, lots of attacking intent from us. It's been good., I put no conditions on that, I enjoyed it.


Before that, the games have been a slog with occasional outbreaks of entertainment. Dundee away was good, Tiny was good in the second half, the derby at Easter Rd was entertaining even though we ended up on the wrong end of the result, but overall the first part of the season hasn't had many highlights and I don't think it's unfair to say that.

The derby at Tynie was a really good, exciting and open game, but the one at ER was dreadful IMO.

[matty_f]

The derby at Tynie was a really good, exciting and open game, but the one at ER was dreadful IMO.

I was laid up with covid for the Easter Rd one and heavily medicated while I watched it so that may have skewed my view on it a bit. :greengrin

[bingo70]

Maybe not literally the whole 90 minutes but even the majority of both halves. I would say the last three games have all been enjoyable and entertaining - plenty goals, some good play, lots of attacking intent from us. It's been good., I put no conditions on that, I enjoyed it.


Before that, the games have been a slog with occasional outbreaks of entertainment. Dundee away was good, Tiny was good in the second half, the derby at Easter Rd was entertaining even though we ended up on the wrong end of the result, but overall the first part of the season hasn't had many highlights and I don't think it's unfair to say that.

I’m just clumsily jumping into this debate without going back and reading previous posts but did you not enjoy the Celtic game, if not the outcome?

I thoroughly enjoyed it and saw loads of cause for optimism in the performace, even if we lost in the end.

I like Monty, I hope he gets time to turn it around.

[JimBHibees]

I’m just clumsily jumping into this debate without going back and reading previous posts but did you not enjoy the Celtic game, if not the outcome?

I thoroughly enjoyed it and saw loads of cause for optimism in the performace, even if we lost in the end.

I like Monty, I hope he gets time to turn it around.

Agree really enjoyed how we played in that game and definitely deserved something out of it. Agree about giving him time.

[Since452]

Maloney was dreadful, LJ had his moments - it definitely wasn't all bad and yes, some of the games under him were excellent, just as others were brutal.

Monty hasn't really produced an enjoyable 90 but I would say I've enjoyed the last three games. Very little to like before that, though, other than the odd moment here and there.

LJ is in a different league to the other two IMO.

[The Modfather]

LJ is in a different league to the other two IMO.

Maloney and Montgomery are managing teams. Johnson is now doing courses on LinkedIn!

[Since452]

Maloney and Montgomery are managing teams. Johnson is now doing courses on LinkedIn!

In terms of their time at Hibs LJ was miles ahead of both. Actually enjoyed a lot of the football under LJ. We had a habit of swinging from very good to very bad in a heartbeat though. Just needed more consistency (the good kind).

[Smartie]

The derby at Tynie was a really good, exciting and open game, but the one at ER was dreadful IMO.

The first 20 minutes of the one at ER were actually pretty breathtaking... then it was like a balloon being popped. I think both teams burnt themselves out trying to get an upper hand early on.

[Smartie]

I’m just clumsily jumping into this debate without going back and reading previous posts but did you not enjoy the Celtic game, if not the outcome?

I thoroughly enjoyed it and saw loads of cause for optimism in the performace, even if we lost in the end.

I like Monty, I hope he gets time to turn it around.

I like Monty too but rather than time, I hope he gets results.

If we get into the top six and he's shown an obvious improvement from January onwards then he deserves another season.

If he doesn't, I don't think he can have too many complaints.

[B.H.F.C]

In terms of their time at Hibs LJ was miles ahead of both. Actually enjoyed a lot of the football under LJ. We had a habit of swinging from very good to very bad in a heartbeat though. Just needed more consistency (the good kind).

Johnson was hardly away out on his own in terms of performance.

In his first 21 league games (same as what Montgomery has had) he had 26 points. He’d also been knocked out of the League Cup in a group of lower league teams though.

Montgomery has 2 points less on the league but did better in the League Cup and has us further in the Scottish.

If we finish the season with significantly less points than we did last season, then we can talk about Johnson being miles better.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I like Monty too but rather than time, I hope he gets results.

If we get into the top six and he's shown an obvious improvement from January onwards then he deserves another season.

If he doesn't, I don't think he can have too many complaints.

:agree:

I want Montgomery to turn things around, starting Saturday, and get time because of the fact he’s turned things around.

I absolutely don’t want him given time for the sake of it if it’s to produce more of what we’ve seen though.

[B.H.F.C]

I like Monty too but rather than time, I hope he gets results.

If we get into the top six and he's shown an obvious improvement from January onwards then he deserves another season.

If he doesn't, I don't think he can have too many complaints.

As much as I’ll stick up for him and don’t agree with certain criticisms, it’s pretty straightforward now, results equals more time.

[Centre Hawf]

As much as I’ll stick up for him and don’t agree with certain criticisms, it’s pretty straightforward now, results equals more time.

:agree:

As much as Lee Johnson could have been sacked 2 or 3 times last season, what kept the wolves from the door was he seemed to have the knack (or luck) of stumbling onto a team that would go on larger winning/unbeaten spells to match the winless runs we just came out of.

After we lost the new year derby at Tynecastle we ended up going 5 league wins from 7 with the other two being draws (although the SC Derby could have seen him go as well). But it did feel after the January clear out/new additions we were turning a corner. Until we hit the skids again and lost 4 on the bounce before rallying for the end and only losing 1 of our last 7 games to try and push for 3rd/4th.

It feels like we're in the real pits of one of they Lee Johnson negative runs at the moment, and we just have to hope that a win on Saturday kickstarts something we can ride to the split. The worry is the longer that win never comes the more damage it's doing to our season.

[matty_f]

I’m just clumsily jumping into this debate without going back and reading previous posts but did you not enjoy the Celtic game, if not the outcome?

I thoroughly enjoyed it and saw loads of cause for optimism in the performace, even if we lost in the end.

I like Monty, I hope he gets time to turn it around.
I included that one in the ones I enjoyed :wink:

[B.H.F.C]

:agree:

As much as Lee Johnson could have been sacked 2 or 3 times last season, what kept the wolves from the door was he seemed to have the knack (or luck) of stumbling onto a team that would go on larger winning/unbeaten spells to match the winless runs we just came out of.

After we lost the new year derby at Tynecastle we ended up going 5 league wins from 7 with the other two being draws (although the SC Derby could have seen him go as well). But it did feel after the January clear out/new additions we were turning a corner. Until we hit the skids again and lost 4 on the bounce before rallying for the end and only losing 1 of our last 7 games to try and push for 3rd/4th.

It feels like we're in the real pits of one of they Lee Johnson negative runs at the moment, and we just have to hope that a win on Saturday kickstarts something we can ride to the split. The worry is the longer that win never comes the more damage it's doing to our season.

I’m hoping the kickstart has already happened to an extent. Get the win on Saturday and all of a sudden you’ve won a couple and are unbeaten in three. I know it’s a pretty low bar, but I still say things can change so quickly in this league. We have a good run of league games coming up (I know the derby is at Tynecastle but there’s been nothing in the two games this season). If we can’t improve things in the league between now and the international break, we’re screwed.

[matty_f]

I’m hoping the kickstart has already happened to an extent. Get the win on Saturday and all of a sudden you’ve won a couple and are unbeaten in three. I know it’s a pretty low bar, but I still say things can change so quickly in this league. We have a good run of league games coming up (I know the derby is at Tynecastle but there’s been nothing in the two games this season). If we can’t improve things in the league between now and the international break, we’re screwed.
I agree with this. The team looks very different after the transfer window, and with the international guys back. Performances have taken a turn for the better and we're coming into a crucial point in the season.

We need to win on Saturday, anything other than a win is going to make it a huge task to get into the top six, I wouldn't write the derby off either. Form puts Hearts as clear favourites but I wouldn't say it is inevitable that we won't take anything from it.

After that, the two games against Ross County are as good a chance as we could get to put six points on the board and that will see a change in the standings imho.

[Not In The Know]

Keeping Marcondes fit and in the team will be the difference.

[Since452]

:agree:

I want Montgomery to turn things around, starting Saturday, and get time because of the fact he’s turned things around.

I absolutely don’t want him given time for the sake of it if it’s to produce more of what we’ve seen though.

That's where i am. Wins will buy him time. In fact if we win games of football everyone will be happy. We have the players at our disposal to do that fairly often.

[The Modfather]

In terms of their time at Hibs LJ was miles ahead of both. Actually enjoyed a lot of the football under LJ. We had a habit of swinging from very good to very bad in a heartbeat though. Just needed more consistency (the good kind).

I’d not necessarily disagree. However it’s not a fair like for like comparison. Johnson had 3 windows and two summers to prepare. As well as an awful lot of money to spend, with around £2m in fees alone this summer. Maloney & Montgommery came in mid season and have had mainly loans or free transfers (though Maloney did have money spent on projects like Melkerson, Hague & Delfierre he was given) in their only January window.

It’s all a little bit of bald men fighting over a comb with the 3 IMO.

[easty]

I’d not necessarily disagree. However it’s not a fair like for like comparison. Johnson had 3 windows and two summers to prepare. As well as an awful lot of money to spend, with around £2m in fees alone this summer. Maloney & Montgommery came in mid season and have had mainly loans or free transfers (though Maloney did have money spent on projects like Melkerson, Hague & Delfierre he was given) in their only January window.

It’s all a little bit of bald men fighting over a comb with the 3 IMO.

When Maloney came in we had a ***** squad, he couldn’t get a tune out of them. Montgomery had a much better squad, and has made them just as bad as Maloneys.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This thread is going down the pan like many others when the tit for tat posts start, sooo boring, he said this and he said that and repeat.

It's taking me back to my days at Leith Walk Primary School 😊

[Sparrows tongue]

This thread is going down the pan like many others when the tit for tat posts start, sooo boring, he said this and he said that and repeat.

Oh no it's not.

:na na:

[Spike Mandela]

The new signings, certainly middle to front, have improved the team and performances but I fear that, in itself, may not be enought to save Monty unless we get top six or at least reach the cup final.

I am firmly in the camp that we need to give new managers time and stop the constant chopping and changing but the new investors may not have the same opinion and they will have considerable influence, despite not being in control of footballing matters.

I think Monty has to get in the top six to feel secure in his continued employment going forward.

[Winston Ingram]

If we lose tomorrow, I reckon he’s toast. AGM on Tuesday and the Derby on Wednesday.

[brydekirk]

Look to the future now, it's only just begun.
Slade 1973

[Billy Whizz]

Look to the future now, it's only just begun.
Slade 1973

Thought that was a Carpenters song

[Bakerman]

Look to the future now, it's only just begun.
Slade 1973

The only way is up.

Yazz and the Plastic Population 1988

[The Modfather]

Thought Hibs were excellent today and 2-1 flattered Dundee.

We need wins, no getting away from that, and 1 win doesn’t change anything in isolation. However I think it’s mean spirited not to see something building since post the St Mirren/the Celtc game.

Montgomery is still an inexperienced manager learning on the job. It’s fair to think he took too long to work out how to get the best out of what he has. However since he’s managed to get the January signings in the team we look night and day from the squad he inherited.

He was criticised for sticking to 442 (which was fair to a point), he’s changed to 433/4231 now he has some of his own players. He’s added Moriah-Welsh, Amos & Emiliano to the midfield which now looks balanced and can impact games (they’re also dragging Newell up who I thought was very good today). Maolida is excellent and a focal point we’ve not had even when he’s not playing well.

There’s no “shoehorning” of youngsters with Whittaker, Landers etc now able to play at their current level and not be selected out of necessity. Though I hope to see youngsters getting an opportunity as part of the summer planning for next season.

He’s shown he’s not stubborn and isn’t selecting players like Tavares every week unless they merit it. Youan another that was dropped as not doing enough and we looked a better overall team for it IMO.

Some people can’t look past the period in December/January that has left us where we currently are, which is fair enough. I expect us to make the top 6 now. However, as long as performances continue as they have over the last 5 games or so, added to sensible and on point areas targeted in the January window I think Montgomery isn’t far from getting things right consistently going forward from now. The defence will drag us down until the summer, but given what he did to the midfield in January I am happy to let him fix the defence in the summer as the top priority.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Thought Hibs were excellent today and 2-1 flattered Dundee.

We need wins, no getting away from that, and 1 win doesn’t change anything in isolation. However I think it’s mean spirited not to see something building since post the St Mirren/the Celtc game.

Montgomery is still an inexperienced manager learning on the job. It’s fair to think he took too long to work out how to get the best out of what he has. However since he’s managed to get the January signings in the team we look night and day from the squad he inherited.

He was criticised for sticking to 442 (which was fair to a point), he’s changed to 433/4231 now he has some of his own players. He’s added Moriah-Welsh, Amos & Emiliano to the midfield which now looks balanced and can impact games (they’re also dragging Newell up who I thought was very good today). Maolida is excellent and a focal point we’ve not had even when he’s not playing well.

There’s no “shoehorning” of youngsters with Whittaker, Landers etc now able to play at their current level and not be selected out of necessity. Though I hope to see youngsters getting an opportunity as part of the summer planning for next season.

He’s shown he’s not stubborn and isn’t selecting players like Tavares every week unless they merit it. Youan another that was dropped as not doing enough and we looked a better overall team for it IMO.

Some people can’t look past the period in December/January that has left us where we currently are, which is fair enough. I expect us to make the top 6 now. However, as long as performances continue as they have over the last 5 games or so, added to sensible and on point areas targeted in the January window I think Montgomery isn’t far from getting things right consistently going forward from now. The defence will drag us down until the summer, but given what he did to the midfield in January I am happy to let him fix the defence in the summer as the top priority.

Great Post. I genuinely feel like there's momentum building. As you say, the turnaround since that St Mirren game has been clear for all to see

Top 6 is in our hands imo. Easiest fixtures of the lot, Aberdeen losing today helps too

[hibsbollah]

Thought Hibs were excellent today and 2-1 flattered Dundee.

We need wins, no getting away from that, and 1 win doesn’t change anything in isolation. However I think it’s mean spirited not to see something building since post the St Mirren/the Celtc game.

Montgomery is still an inexperienced manager learning on the job. It’s fair to think he took too long to work out how to get the best out of what he has. However since he’s managed to get the January signings in the team we look night and day from the squad he inherited.

He was criticised for sticking to 442 (which was fair to a point), he’s changed to 433/4231 now he has some of his own players. He’s added Moriah-Welsh, Amos & Emiliano to the midfield which now looks balanced and can impact games (they’re also dragging Newell up who I thought was very good today). Maolida is excellent and a focal point we’ve not had even when he’s not playing well.

There’s no “shoehorning” of youngsters with Whittaker, Landers etc now able to play at their current level and not be selected out of necessity. Though I hope to see youngsters getting an opportunity as part of the summer planning for next season.

He’s shown he’s not stubborn and isn’t selecting players like Tavares every week unless they merit it. Youan another that was dropped as not doing enough and we looked a better overall team for it IMO.

Some people can’t look past the period in December/January that has left us where we currently are, which is fair enough. I expect us to make the top 6 now. However, as long as performances continue as they have over the last 5 games or so, added to sensible and on point areas targeted in the January window I think Montgomery isn’t far from getting things right consistently going forward from now. The defence will drag us down until the summer, but given what he did to the midfield in January I am happy to let him fix the defence in the summer as the top priority.

:agree:

[Dashing Bob S]

Thought Hibs were excellent today and 2-1 flattered Dundee.

We need wins, no getting away from that, and 1 win doesn’t change anything in isolation. However I think it’s mean spirited not to see something building since post the St Mirren/the Celtc game.

Montgomery is still an inexperienced manager learning on the job. It’s fair to think he took too long to work out how to get the best out of what he has. However since he’s managed to get the January signings in the team we look night and day from the squad he inherited.

He was criticised for sticking to 442 (which was fair to a point), he’s changed to 433/4231 now he has some of his own players. He’s added Moriah-Welsh, Amos & Emiliano to the midfield which now looks balanced and can impact games (they’re also dragging Newell up who I thought was very good today). Maolida is excellent and a focal point we’ve not had even when he’s not playing well.

There’s no “shoehorning” of youngsters with Whittaker, Landers etc now able to play at their current level and not be selected out of necessity. Though I hope to see youngsters getting an opportunity as part of the summer planning for next season.

He’s shown he’s not stubborn and isn’t selecting players like Tavares every week unless they merit it. Youan another that was dropped as not doing enough and we looked a better overall team for it IMO.

Some people can’t look past the period in December/January that has left us where we currently are, which is fair enough. I expect us to make the top 6 now. However, as long as performances continue as they have over the last 5 games or so, added to sensible and on point areas targeted in the January window I think Montgomery isn’t far from getting things right consistently going forward from now. The defence will drag us down until the summer, but given what he did to the midfield in January I am happy to let him fix the defence in the summer as the top priority.


Fabulous post. This is the kind of insight, patience, belief and generosity we need to exhibit as a fanbase. Yes, we're a work in progress, but there is progress. We have the resources now to properly build a team, and can miss out one season of pre season games against postmen, titanic battles against fellow also-runs, and humiliation at the hands of richer clubs for another year.

[Smartie]

Thought Hibs were excellent today and 2-1 flattered Dundee.

We need wins, no getting away from that, and 1 win doesn’t change anything in isolation. However I think it’s mean spirited not to see something building since post the St Mirren/the Celtc game.

Montgomery is still an inexperienced manager learning on the job. It’s fair to think he took too long to work out how to get the best out of what he has. However since he’s managed to get the January signings in the team we look night and day from the squad he inherited.

He was criticised for sticking to 442 (which was fair to a point), he’s changed to 433/4231 now he has some of his own players. He’s added Moriah-Welsh, Amos & Emiliano to the midfield which now looks balanced and can impact games (they’re also dragging Newell up who I thought was very good today). Maolida is excellent and a focal point we’ve not had even when he’s not playing well.

There’s no “shoehorning” of youngsters with Whittaker, Landers etc now able to play at their current level and not be selected out of necessity. Though I hope to see youngsters getting an opportunity as part of the summer planning for next season.

He’s shown he’s not stubborn and isn’t selecting players like Tavares every week unless they merit it. Youan another that was dropped as not doing enough and we looked a better overall team for it IMO.

Some people can’t look past the period in December/January that has left us where we currently are, which is fair enough. I expect us to make the top 6 now. However, as long as performances continue as they have over the last 5 games or so, added to sensible and on point areas targeted in the January window I think Montgomery isn’t far from getting things right consistently going forward from now. The defence will drag us down until the summer, but given what he did to the midfield in January I am happy to let him fix the defence in the summer as the top priority.

Great post - agree 100%.

[Since452]

Since the St Mirren game he's hit all the bare minimum objectives.

Better performance v Celtic
Cup win v ICT
Avoided defeat at Pittodrie
Won the must win v Dundee

Slowly but surely getting there. Top 6 is still a must though. If we continue to go in the right direction then I can't ask for more than that.

[Saint Hibee]

I wouldn’t say we were excellent, but we were definitely better, which is enough for me at this point.