Monty

[Murphys Touch]

There is no danger McInnes comes into Hibs with our new set-up where Foley dictating players to him.

Feel club (Hibs) are on a hiding to nothing if they don’t appoint McInnes - arguably their own fault but the conditions have changed. We will need to find someone else with those qualities and experiences. Personally think the support need to be less snobbish about the next appointment but also the club need to take their current manager budget and at least double it to get someone in who oozes confidence and knows what they are doing.

[BSEJVT]

I am not decrying McInnes for a moment, he knows what works and is prepared to do it.

I haven't personally felt any of our last 3 managers had a clue and that they are just hoping to land lucky.

I am sick fed up of watching Hibs teams completely outfought all over the park

As a starting point I would be happy to see us compete physically again and whatever follows that follows it.

Instead we have show ponies like Youan & Jair prancing about over the ball and doing nothing and Newell the master of the take and gracious turn before inevitably passing the ball backwards.

We are so short of confidence we want 3 or 4 touches to get the ball under control before even thinking of a pass/cross.

When we do launch the ball 9 times out of 10 its because our carefully crafted sideways/ backwards passing move has broken down and its a last dash lunge at the ball to try and get it away from an opponent

We have 2 few bodies forward to even compete for the ball / 2nd ball and too weak players to do so in any event.

I couldnt begin to tell you how to fix our ills as I frankly wouldnt know where to start.

[Stevie Reid]

There is absolutely no myth about the way McInnes has his teams play, they bite, scratch, frustrate, foul, blatantly waste time, intimidate referees if you cant see that you are in complete denial.

The amount of times I left ER when he was Aberdeen Manager and folk wanted to lynch him is testimony to that, ask any Aberdeen fan and they will tell you about his way of football which is why he was eventually punted.

Is that preferrable to the dross we have watched for the last few years right now? yes, my question is though how much of the support will be prepared to accept that in the medium to long term?

It’s a myth that they play that way all the time, and the anti-football chat (from some posters) is way off the mark.

The performances that you’re describing came in away performances at ER. Many times under DM I think they tucked us away quite comfortably at Pittodrie. They played good stuff at home and were pragmatic on the road a lot of the time. It worked very well.

All the things that his side did when we struggled to lay a glove on them at ER - being streetwise, giving nothing away, seeing out leads - are all things that many posters decry us not being able to do at many points throughout a season.

Would I take those kinds of performances if it meant us winning away from home at Pittodrie or Tynie? Without a second thought.

[Alex Trager]

All the more reason for him to go back to the drawing board and devise a set of tactics, a formation, an approach etc that will work with the players he’s got and the opposition he’s facing.

If his answer to the trouble is to continue doubling down, as harsh as it sounds, it’ll be his own fault. He arrived here with big talk, hints of seeing his future competing at the highest level down south etc so it’s about time he found some of that self belief and did something before he ends up having to relocate his family again.

Agree.

You’d reckon he can recognise that the fire is burning bright under his feet and change it up a bit with his family having moved over here.

[Libby Hibby]

Please just no.

David Gray until the end of the season.

Nope, he’s part of the problem.

[Skol]

Let’s say we punt Montgomery and entice mcinnes to take over. Then he fails to improve things. What next?

[blackpoolhibs]

Let’s say we punt Montgomery and entice mcinnes to take over. Then he fails to improve things. What next?

We give him the time he needs, because we know through his past history he will get it right.

[mcfly]

Just watched the goals again and it’s worse than watching it live.

The first and third goal is shameful defending and that lies with the manager and football director.

We haven’t been able to defend for seasons now and this transfer window not signing a recignised dominant centre half is disgusting and a derelict of duty of the club.

We are in a-relegation battle now

Who has confidence in this manager or players to fight??

[Crab apple]

I wanted McInnes last time but bought into the excitement of the Monty experiment. Monty needs to be punted now though as this latest experimemt is going to see us heading for the bottom six. Thank f..k there's a truly dreadful Livi side this season or things could get really ropey. McInnes knows the league and will get us winning games again. If he has a final say in new players coming in then I'm confident we'd start to bring in players with character as well as on paper ability.

[JimBHibees]

Excellent point. At least, he fronted up and got the players to do that.

Agree would have been easier to hide

[JammyDoidger]

Let’s say we punt Montgomery and entice mcinnes to take over. Then he fails to improve things. What next?

He won't fail, he will have us competing for 3rd every year, his track record proves that. We should have the biggest budget outside the old firm now too. And if he was to fail then we can't blame the board for bringing in the wrong man.

[Crutch]

He won't fail, he will have us competing for 3rd every year, his track record proves that. We should have the biggest budget outside the old firm now too. And if he was to fail then we can't blame the board for bringing in the wrong man.

Bang on.

[thebausburst]

If McInnes was allowed to identify his own players and fully backed to put a successful side on the park then I think people would accept a spirited Hibs side that wins regularly, competes for spells in the league. I would imagine the same eye for a player would see a lot better at ER than the dross we are subjected to now.

I don't know any Aberdeen fans and I know it turned stale, but I did often see good Hibs sides often falling short against McInnes era Sheep.

You look at the guys signed, brought through under McInnes at Aberdeen...MacKay-Steven, Hayes, McLean, Ferguson, McKenna, Shinnie, Robson, McGinn, Jack, Reynolds, Logan and no doubt more. All good players at the Sheep.

He knows a decent player, even if his team played cynically at times

McInnes is a complete no brainer and the appointment Hibs should have made a long time ago.

[jakedance]

I’d love to have someone like McInnes. We’re a soft touch. I want to see a nasty, well organised Hibs team that punches their weight and other teams hate to play against. I want the ball going forward much quicker and players crunching into tackles. We need a manager that isn’t a hopeful experiment and a spine of players like Shinnie that can compete in this league and accept nothing less from those around them. We’ve got the budget to add players that can play a bit around them but Hibs desperately need to get the basics of Scottish football right.

[Centre Hawf]

I am all in on the idea of McInness at this point. I'm sick to the back teeth of the type of guys we're currently recruiting. We need someone to have a tough conversation with some people at the club on how this league works and how to win matches in it because right now it's just blind leading the blind trying stuff that they read works in other leagues that probably has 20x the budgets to us.

[K-Zazu]

How many games had Monty managed before he came here? 2 full seasons?

[Hibiza]

2 points from possible 18 in last six matches, same as Livingston and County. Pish poor

Yup, shocking

[VoltaireHibs]

How many games had Monty managed before he came here? 2 full seasons?

This is the problem for me now. I think the job is just too big for him. It's not players and tactics on their own that's the issue, it's everything. It's too much for him and really the board would be doing him a kindness at this point by consenting him. Players look like they have no idea what they're meant to be doing, zero. That's bad management.

[Crazyhorse]

I wanted McInnes last time but bought into the excitement of the Monty experiment. Monty needs to be punted now though as this latest experimemt is going to see us heading for the bottom six. Thank f..k there's a truly dreadful Livi side this season or things could get really ropey. McInnes knows the league and will get us winning games again. If he has a final say in new players coming in then I'm confident we'd start to bring in players with character as well as on paper ability.

This mirrors my thoughts pretty much. I’m afraid it’s probably become not if but when Monty goes.

[JimBHibees]

Just watched the goals again and it’s worse than watching it live.

The first and third goal is shameful defending and that lies with the manager and football director.

We haven’t been able to defend for seasons now and this transfer window not signing a recignised dominant centre half is disgusting and a derelict of duty of the club.

We are in a-relegation battle now

Who has confidence in this manager or players to fight??

Also lies with the players both defenders and keeper especially third goal. Guy taps it in almost on the line

[McGruber]

Lots of chat about McInnes though is there any point when he has said publicly, couple times now, he doesn't want the Hibs job

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lots of chat about McInnes though is there any point when he has said publicly, couple times now, he doesn't want the Hibs job

Has he?

[easty]

Lots of chat about McInnes though is there any point when he has said publicly, couple times now, he doesn't want the Hibs job

Can you link anywhere he’s said that?

[SickBoy32]

Lots of chat about McInnes though is there any point when he has said publicly, couple times now, he doesn't want the Hibs job

Not sure if he’s ever said that on record, but pretty confident he wouldn’t be willing to work under the clubs current misguided recruitment policy / strategy

We can keep changing managers for years, however we will not improve on the park until this nonsensical strategy is binned.

Our DoF calling the January window a success (pre match on Saturday) was incredible, it was as bad a January window as the Maloney one IMO

[Saint Hibee]

I'm not a big McInnes fan as I think his teams tend to be boring. However, I'd rather we be boring and win than boring and lose, so I'd have no complaints if we turn to him.

[easty]

Not sure if he’s ever said that on record, but pretty confident he wouldn’t be willing to work under the clubs current misguided recruitment policy / strategy

We can keep changing managers for years, however we will not improve on the park until this nonsensical strategy is binned.

Our DoF calling the January window a success (pre match on Saturday) was incredible, it was as bad a January window as the Maloney one IMO

The majority of people on here were calling it a success!

What is the recruitment strategy anyway? And why wouldn’t it work for McInnes?

What does McInnes get to do at Killie that he wouldn’t be allowed to do here, with regards to transfers?

[SickBoy32]

The majority of people on here were calling it a success!

What is the recruitment strategy anyway? And why wouldn’t it work for McInnes?

What does McInnes get to do at Killie that he wouldn’t be allowed to do here, with regards to transfers?

Aye I seen that, no idea what that was based on to be honest - we signed a collection of misfits and young, untested laddies.

Recruitment strategy, by and large, appears to scouring the world for young guys with some stats that would indicate a good resale value - and bringing them in. No desire to improve the spine of the side with good, experienced players.

Not too clued up on Killie to be honest, however judging by the profile of their squad - they are not on the same road to ruin as we are.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The majority of people on here were calling it a success!

What is the recruitment strategy anyway? And why wouldn’t it work for McInnes?

What does McInnes get to do at Killie that he wouldn’t be allowed to do here, with regards to transfers?

It’s been suggested previously that McInnes will not work under a DOF under any circumstances and that he makes the signings. Whether that’s the case or not I’ve no idea.

[McGruber]

Has he?


Can you link anywhere he’s said that?


Not sure if he’s ever said that on record, but pretty confident he wouldn’t be willing to work under the clubs current misguided recruitment policy / strategy

We can keep changing managers for years, however we will not improve on the park until this nonsensical strategy is binned.

Our DoF calling the January window a success (pre match on Saturday) was incredible, it was as bad a January window as the Maloney one IMO

Just worked out how to reply to multiple quotes 😅

He has said as much yeah, not got a link and if I did probably couldn't add it - just worked out multi quotes, that's enough for now!

Correct Sick Boy - he referenced the model of recruitment and Gordon's influence that wasn't for him. He's mentioned it couple times now when asked doing punditry on TV. Perhaps he's changed his mind or could have it changed, not sure about that

[NC1875]

There is absolutely no myth about the way McInnes has his teams play, they bite, scratch, frustrate, foul, blatantly waste time, intimidate referees if you cant see that you are in complete denial.

The amount of times I left ER when he was Aberdeen Manager and folk wanted to lynch him is testimony to that, ask any Aberdeen fan and they will tell you about his way of football which is why he was eventually punted.

Is that preferrable to the dross we have watched for the last few years right now? yes, my question is though how much of the support will be prepared to accept that in the medium to long term?

It is a myth, they do have a bit of that in there locker, but people make out that’s all they’ve got. Which is a myth. He has his teams well drilled and winning more games than they lose.

I’d love for a Hibs team to be well drilled and then streetwise enough to see a game out. That’s exactly a McInnes team, it’s a myth they don’t play any football.

I actually have an Aberdeen fan that stays in my street. From what he’s said in the past, he would love McInnes back after the failures of Glass, Goodwin and now Robson. Not one of them has come close to matching what DM done there and they’ve all had more money to spend while trying.

It is a complete no brainer. And it has been since we sacked Jack Ross.

[Scotty Leither]

Lots of chat about McInnes though is there any point when he has said publicly, couple times now, he doesn't want the Hibs job

I’ve not seen that anywhere, but even if there is a grain of truth in it I think a fat salary and the promise of a £2-3m transfer kitty in the summer might sweeten the pill for him somehow.

[Tyler Durden]

It’s been suggested previously that McInnes will not work under a DOF under any circumstances and that he makes the signings. Whether that’s the case or not I’ve no idea.

If that were the case, he won't be going any higher than a Killie again.

I find it tough to believe tbh. Any decent level club has the same structure as Hibs these days. Hearts and Aberdeen are the same.

Poor execution is another matter but the structure and strategy are all pretty well aligned.

[McGruber]

I’ve not seen that anywhere, but even if there is a grain of truth in it I think a fat salary and the promise of a £2-3m transfer kitty in the summer might sweeten the pill for him somehow.

Not about grains of truth, he said it on TV. I'm not passing on a rumour or heresay. Whether a fat salary changes his mind who knows. Dare say he turned down more cash from Rangers to stay at Aberdeen.

[Scotty Leither]

I just googled his record at Aberdeen. If my research is right, he’s had one 3rd place finish, FOUR 2nd place finishes when the old Rangers were out the league, and two 4th place finishes, with an overall win ratio of 55/56%?

The main driver of that win stat will be a really strong home record, so if that’s not good enough for Hibs I don’t know what is, to be honest.

[marinello59]

I just googled his record at Aberdeen. If my research is right, he’s had one 3rd place finish, FOUR 2nd place finishes when the old Rangers were out the league, and two 4th place finishes, with an overall win ratio of 55/56%?

The main driver of that win stat will be a really strong home record, so if that’s not good enough for Hibs I don’t know what is, to be honest.

Remember ourselves and Hearts were out of the league as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I just googled his record at Aberdeen. If my research is right, he’s had one 3rd place finish, FOUR 2nd place finishes when the old Rangers were out the league, and two 4th place finishes, with an overall win ratio of 55/56%?

The main driver of that win stat will be a really strong home record, so if that’s not good enough for Hibs I don’t know what is, to be honest.

He also scored a huge amount of goals which kind of flies in the face of the idea of him being so boring. There was one season under him where they scored 4 or more on about 7 occasions.

[Centre Hawf]

I just googled his record at Aberdeen. If my research is right, he’s had one 3rd place finish, FOUR 2nd place finishes when the old Rangers were out the league, and two 4th place finishes, with an overall win ratio of 55/56%?

The main driver of that win stat will be a really strong home record, so if that’s not good enough for Hibs I don’t know what is, to be honest.

I also actually thought the first couple seasons at Aberdeen under him as well they played some nice stuff until it got to around half way into his tenure they started embracing a bit more of the clogger side. But perhaps that was because he was having to adapt to what he had.

[Alex Trager]

If Monty gets sacked, I would want McInnes.

I am fairly confident he would say no to the job though.

Which is sad.

[jeffers]

If Monty gets sacked, I would want McInnes.

I am fairly confident he would say no to the job though.

Which is sad.

I’m even more confident we won’t even ask the question.

[Alex Trager]

I’m even more confident we won’t even ask the question.

Hahaha. Too true mate.

Crazy, really.

[MikeyS]

Remember ourselves and Hearts were out of the league as well.

Apologies if I've picked you up wrong but we were both
Deservedly out of the league at the time.

We weren't troubling Aberdeen the seasons before when we were in the same division so I'm not sure its fair to hold that against him.

He could only beat what was in front of him and he did so quite comfortably

[K-Zazu]

I’m even more confident we won’t even ask the question.

Anyone know why?

[HendoDelivered]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

[LauderHibby]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

If that is true I am even more worried about those all involved with the club now.

A managers role is to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players and set up a system that allows players to be most effective and change the system depending on opponents. Something NM seems incapable of.

The calls for McInnes reminds me of the calls for Terry Butcher, give it a season and we would hound McInnes out for boring 1-0 football at best.

I am worryingly indifferent towards the leaders at Easter road, but what I firmly believe is that NM is not a good manager and it is only a matter of time before they have to get rid off him so he can take most of the blame others should share….frankly embarrassing leadership.

No winners on this one….best case scenario we struggle through to the end of the season and find a good manager to take us forward.

[Heisenberg]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

We heard the same patter when Hecky was here, although to be fair to him we actually looked like scoring with him in the job. If the players love Monty so much it’s maybe about time they started showing it on the park.

[Broken Gnome]

If that is true I am even more worried about those all involved with the club now.

A managers role is to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players and set up a system that allows players to be most effective and change the system depending on opponents. Something NM seems incapable of.

The calls for McInnes reminds me of the calls for Terry Butcher, give it a season and we would hound McInnes out for boring 1-0 football at best.

I am worryingly indifferent towards the leaders at Easter road, but what I firmly believe is that NM is not a good manager and it is only a matter of time before they have to get rid off him so he can take most of the blame others should share….frankly embarrassing leadership.

No winners on this one….best case scenario we struggle through to the end of the season and find a good manager to take us forward.

I'm 99 per cent sure I'm being unreasonably pessimistic, but the second paragraph can extend to something that Hibs continually show little evidence of grasping.

It's not just how he or any other manager sets up the team in a particular manner, but how he organises our players to beat the opposition at hand. You hardly ever see or have any inkling that Hibs know the specific complications of playing each team in this league - nothing changes, it's lip service to the next game being a tough one the players need to be up for, but nothing changes game to game.

Also saw that Aberdeen are strategically reviewing their football department and see where they are falling short relative to similar sizes teams across Europe. This may well change with the Foley revamp but again, where are the signs that Hibs know what it takes to be successful in this league and beyond?

It must be factored into the club's outlook and recruitment somewhere, surely, but you'd really like a bit of sustained success from month to month to prove Hibs have a bit of peripheral awareness rather than just blindly plodding along.

[Hibees1973]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

Fair enough if true, but let's be honest that is a load of cr*p.

Lose the next 2 league games against Celtic (home), Aberdeen (away), which is more than likely and the whole club & fans will be desperate not to give him any more time.

Lose these 2 games and we could be 10th in the league and a baw hair from 2nd bottom.

[Brightside]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

Good to hear.

[One Day Soon]

Fair enough if true, but let's be honest that is a load of cr*p.

Lose the next 2 league games against Celtic (home), Aberdeen (away), which is more than likely and the whole club & fans will be desperate not to give him any more time.

Lose these 2 games and we could be 10th in the league and a baw hair from 2nd bottom.


We have already seen more than enough to know he's not recovering from this position.

His system doesn't work, he won't adjust to suit the players he has or to deal with the various opponents we face, there are no tangible signs of improvement since he came in and in fact the evidence is pretty much in the other direction, he's lost most of the fans, he's not winning games, he's not shored up our defence, his football is appallingly awful to watch and he seems to have failed to address our most glaring weakness in central defence during this window.

What more evidence is needed? The Board must know he's not cutting it but for some club-harming reason they require him to demonstrate it irrefutably so that we end up in an even worse position when they do finally bite the bullet?

I'll tell you what this looks like to me. The clowns who appointed him are now demonstrably serial offenders in respect of both managerial and player signings. They don't want to face reality and have to admit they have ****ed up yet again at great cost to the club. So instead they are compounding their **** footballing judgement by keeping him on and hoping that things will magically change. We've paid the price for their hubristic incompetence in appointing him and now we are paying again for their egos and vanity in failing to move him out the door. Get to **** the pair of you.

[jakeshibs]

Lenny waiting to take over until the rest of the season 💚
he was worse, one win in fourteen matches, eight in the league, and jumped as soon as the opportunity to move west appeared.

[jakeshibs]

If that is true I am even more worried about those all involved with the club now.

A managers role is to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his players and set up a system that allows players to be most effective and change the system depending on opponents. Something NM seems incapable of.

The calls for McInnes reminds me of the calls for Terry Butcher, give it a season and we would hound McInnes out for boring 1-0 football at best.

I am worryingly indifferent towards the leaders at Easter road, but what I firmly believe is that NM is not a good manager and it is only a matter of time before they have to get rid off him so he can take most of the blame others should share….frankly embarrassing leadership.

No winners on this one….best case scenario we struggle through to the end of the season and find a good manager to take us forward.

no decent manager worth their salt will come to Hibs as they know they are a couple of games form be hounded out, we have caused an effect that will impact us for a long time yet.

[Since452]

We're probably going to have the 3rd biggest budget in Scotland come the summer. Not many managers would turn us down. Its an incredible opportunity for a good manager to come here and get us flying. If Montgomery is punted there will be a lot of interested people. Unless we leave it too late and end up in the Championship.

[blackpoolhibs]

Remember ourselves and Hearts were out of the league as well.

I wouldnt back Hibs to finish 2nd in the league if the bigots were out the league along with Kilmarnock St Mirren and Dundee and Aberdeen.:rolleyes:

[Hibeesdaft16]

no decent manager worth their salt will come to Hibs as they know they are a couple of games form be hounded out, we have caused an effect that will impact us for a long time yet.

All decent managers worth their salt know they are always a few games away from the sack. They will all have ambitions to get the best out the team and not find themselves in that position.

[JammyDoidger]

no decent manager worth their salt will come to Hibs as they know they are a couple of games form be hounded out, we have caused an effect that will impact us for a long time yet.

Most decent managers are bound to look at the state of the managers we've appointed and the job they've done and back themselves to do 100x better, and try and at least connect with the fans. It's not our faults the managers are hopeless, fans aren't stupid they're not just going to back a manager because it's too early for him to get the sack. If he's got to go, he's got to go, it's the managers fault no one else's.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I think the fact the vast majority of the fans are still absolutely raging about Saturday speaks volumes. Normally we have a bad result and folk will calm down after 24-48 hours and then look forward to the next game. Not this time, he's lost the fans and I don't think he's turning this around. A likely pumping by Celtic on Wednesday and he's gone. David Gray should just get the gig until the end of the season. He would keep us up and gives board time to get the next decision right. Another transition season another shambles.

[Donegal Hibby]

He also scored a huge amount of goals which kind of flies in the face of the idea of him being so boring. There was one season under him where they scored 4 or more on about 7 occasions.

I had a look on the Aberdeen forum and when Robson was sacked there " Next Manager " thread one of the early post was " Get McInnes back " to which there was a few who responded with " Incase your not joking, F*** off , Robson long ball MARK 1 etc .

The dons fans seemed divided on McInnes coming back . Probably because he done well though the style of football wasn't entertaining.

I think he would have the Hibs support divided if he became manager as well and maybe his Sevco connection would go against him if he hit a bad patch too.

Considering Aberdeen are going bad and got rid of 3 managers like ourselves it's surprising how many dons fans don't want him back yet some on here do . Funny ole game 😂

[Just_Jimmy]

It’s been suggested previously that McInnes will not work under a DOF under any circumstances and that he makes the signings. Whether that’s the case or not I’ve no idea.That's fine by me. What we're doing isn't working, hasn't worked and won't work. So let's try his way, cos... well, that's worked for a number of years at Aberdeen and now Kilmarnock.

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[HendoDelivered]

I think the fact the vast majority of the fans are still absolutely raging about Saturday speaks volumes. Normally we have a bad result and folk will calm down after 24-48 hours and then look forward to the next game. Not this time, he's lost the fans and I don't think he's turning this around. A likely pumping by Celtic on Wednesday and he's gone. David Gray should just get the gig until the end of the season. He would keep us up and gives board time to get the next decision right. Another transition season another shambles.

When was the last time the current clowns on the board got the appointment right? They wouldn’t know a good manager if one came and slapped them in the face.

[Paulie Walnuts]

no decent manager worth their salt will come to Hibs as they know they are a couple of games form be hounded out, we have caused an effect that will impact us for a long time yet.

Not really the case though, is it. It’s just a pishy sound bite to blame the fans rather than the club who keep making an arse of things.

[Hibeesdaft16]

When was the last time the current clowns on the board got the appointment right? They wouldn’t know a good manager if one came and slapped them in the face.

They haven't got one managerial appointment right since they have came in. Only three managers right enough.

[Just_Jimmy]

They haven't got one managerial appointment right since they have came in. Only three managers right enough.That's the issue, I don't trust them to get the right person. They're all clowns.

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[Hibeesdaft16]

That's the issue, I don't trust them to get the right person. They're all clowns.

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I agree, I don't either.

[Carheenlea]

I had a look on the Aberdeen forum and when Robson was sacked there " Next Manager " thread one of the early post was " Get McInnes back " to which there was a few who responded with " Incase your not joking, F*** off , Robson long ball MARK 1 etc .

The dons fans seemed divided on McInnes coming back . Probably because he done well though the style of football wasn't entertaining.

I think he would have the Hibs support divided if he became manager as well and maybe his Sevco connection would go against him if he hit a bad patch too.

Considering Aberdeen are going bad and got rid of 3 managers like ourselves it's surprising how many dons fans don't want him back yet some on here do . Funny ole game ��

I only get reminded that he once played for Rangers when his “Rangers connections” are mentioned on here as a possible stumbling block for Hibs fans.

When I see McKinnes the first club I think of is Aberdeen. I don’t have any real memories of him playing for Rangers despite being more than old enough to have seen him play.

Of all the things that might put Hibs fans off McKinnes, his connection to Rangers would be well down the list, if even on that list at all.

[GreenGray]

That's fine by me. What we're doing isn't working, hasn't worked and won't work. So let's try his way, cos... well, that's worked for a number of years at Aberdeen and now Kilmarnock.

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Won’t happen though because of the Foley investment.

If McInnes isn’t happy with a DOF he won’t be happy with our new set up.


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[TrinityHFC]

There’s a lot of people who seem to know the inner most thoughts of McInnes! 😂

[GreenGray]

There’s a lot of people who seem to know the inner most thoughts of McInnes! [emoji23]

Well we can only go off what has been reported previously and how we can see he likes to operate.


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[Hibeesdaft16]

I only get reminded that he once played for Rangers when his “Rangers connections” are mentioned on here as a possible stumbling block for Hibs fans.

When I see McKinnes the first club I think of is Aberdeen. I don’t have any real memories of him playing for Rangers despite being more than old enough to have seen him play.

Of all the things that might put Hibs fans off McKinnes, his connection to Rangers would be well down the list, if even on that list at all.

The most recent connection McIness for me with him to the huns is when he turned them down to stay with Aberdeen. That doesn't indicate to me an extreme level of staunch.

[ehf]

Not under any pressure yet, board desperate to give him time, popular with players and they like his coaching methods - Mark Atkinson on a bbc scottish football podcast.

Of course the players like his coaching methods: low intensity; no press; don’t bother putting a tackle in.

[JimBHibees]

Of course the players like his coaching methods: low intensity; no press; don’t bother putting a tackle in.

Have you seen any of his sessions?

[Hibees1973]

Have you seen any of his sessions?

I've heard many managers say that we play the way we train.

So going by this methodology in training we must muck around at the back, misplace passes then if it progresses from here work the ball from side to side, give the ball to Tavares and Youan who do a wee flick and run then give the ball away.

If training is high intense, then it's not getting replicated on the park. This points to a lack of mentality, confidence and ability throughout the whole squad.

[jakeshibs]

Most decent managers are bound to look at the state of the managers we've appointed and the job they've done and back themselves to do 100x better, and try and at least connect with the fans. It's not our faults the managers are hopeless, fans aren't stupid they're not just going to back a manager because it's too early for him to get the sack. If he's got to go, he's got to go, it's the managers fault no one else's.

Man united said the same about Alex Ferguson however after a horrendous few seasons he built a team and as you all know the rest is history, Sir Alex did not achieve this in 20 games??

[Hibeesdaft16]

Have you seen any of his sessions?

You must have then, what are they like?

[TrinityHFC]

Man united said the same about Alex Ferguson however after a horrendous few seasons he built a team and as you all know the rest is history, Sir Alex did not achieve this in 20 games??

Yeah that one example from decades ago is wearing a bit thin. Simply wouldn’t happen now.

[jakeshibs]

I think the fact the vast majority of the fans are still absolutely raging about Saturday speaks volumes. Normally we have a bad result and folk will calm down after 24-48 hours and then look forward to the next game. Not this time, he's lost the fans and I don't think he's turning this around. A likely pumping by Celtic on Wednesday and he's gone. David Gray should just get the gig until the end of the season. He would keep us up and gives board time to get the next decision right. Another transition season another shambles.

we have already tried this process three times previously and failed every time ??

[ehf]

Have you seen any of his sessions?

Yeah, they’re really slick and impressive - baffling the players can’t reproduce it on a match day.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Man united said the same about Alex Ferguson however after a horrendous few seasons he built a team and as you all know the rest is history, Sir Alex did not achieve this in 20 games??

Sir Alex had a fantastic track record with Aberdeen both domestically and in European football. There must have obviously also been signs of improvement from the team from what he took over.

Monty is a rookie manager from a piss poor standard footballing backwater. He's came in and we have regressed.

Not quite the same.

[CentreLine]

Yeah, they’re really slick and impressive - baffling the players can’t reproduce it on a match day.

Is it because they are breaking against our own defenders in training? 🤔

[Donegal Hibby]

I only get reminded that he once played for Rangers when his “Rangers connections” are mentioned on here as a possible stumbling block for Hibs fans.

When I see McKinnes the first club I think of is Aberdeen. I don’t have any real memories of him playing for Rangers despite being more than old enough to have seen him play.

Of all the things that might put Hibs fans off McKinnes, his connection to Rangers would be well down the list, if even on that list at all.

Your probably right , just wondered if he was our manager and going on a bad run would some use it against him . Not something I'm bothered about tbh unlike his style of football though.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Your probably right , just wondered if he was our manager and going on a bad run would some use it against him . Not something I'm bothered about tbh unlike his style of football though.


We are on a bad run now and a lot if not the majority of supporters want Monty gone, that happens to all managers on terrible runs not just the ones we appoint with hun connections.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I had a look on the Aberdeen forum and when Robson was sacked there " Next Manager " thread one of the early post was " Get McInnes back " to which there was a few who responded with " Incase your not joking, F*** off , Robson long ball MARK 1 etc .

The dons fans seemed divided on McInnes coming back . Probably because he done well though the style of football wasn't entertaining.

I think he would have the Hibs support divided if he became manager as well and maybe his Sevco connection would go against him if he hit a bad patch too.

Considering Aberdeen are going bad and got rid of 3 managers like ourselves it's surprising how many dons fans don't want him back yet some on here do . Funny ole game 😂

bookmark it. He’d be marmite without the love.
del may well be what we need atm to steady the ship. But I don’t see him carrying and sustaining support. I’m not sure we know what we want any more but whilst just being hard to beat isn’t good enough is my sense. We’d be where we were with JR - dour steady as she goes.

[Scotty Leither]

That first 45 minutes on Saturday should have seen him gone.

The first and third goal were the football equivalent of a ten-ton truck driving through tissue paper and it was horrible to watch.

We can see it, other managers can see it, and other teams must rub their hands seeing us as their next fixture.

I’m sure he’s a lovely guy, but he’s not going to improve and I worry we’ll get pulled into the playoffs.

If Kensell and Gordon can’t see that, they’re either delusional, stubborn, or simply not interested themselves.

[jacomo]

I had a look on the Aberdeen forum and when Robson was sacked there " Next Manager " thread one of the early post was " Get McInnes back " to which there was a few who responded with " Incase your not joking, F*** off , Robson long ball MARK 1 etc .

The dons fans seemed divided on McInnes coming back . Probably because he done well though the style of football wasn't entertaining.

I think he would have the Hibs support divided if he became manager as well and maybe his Sevco connection would go against him if he hit a bad patch too.

Considering Aberdeen are going bad and got rid of 3 managers like ourselves it's surprising how many dons fans don't want him back yet some on here do . Funny ole game 😂


Tbf to McInnes, at Aberdeen he regularly lost his best or most influential players every summer and had to rebuild his squad over and over. So building the team around key talent wasn’t an option: he had to make them stuffy and hard to beat.

But still it seems most Dons fans don’t want to go back.

[Stuart93]

Reckon a heavy defeat tomorrow and out the cup Saturday would see him off

[Hibeesdaft16]

Reckon a heavy defeat tomorrow and out the cup Saturday would see him off

I'm unsure why he should be given the opportunity to **** up any remaining light for the season in a cup run should we lose heavily tomorrow to be honest. We would have more chance of progressing in Inverness without him than with him in charge.

[Stuart93]

I'm unsure why he should be given the opportunity to **** up any remaining light for the season in a cup run should we lose heavily tomorrow to be honest. We would have more chance of progressing in Inverness without him than with him in charge.

Just can’t imagine a heavy defeat from Celtic is enough alone to see him sacked but I agree with you

Genuinely can’t think of much worse right now than this group of players going up to Inverness to play a Caley team that’ll be well up for it and full of running.

[Since452]

Just can’t imagine a heavy defeat from Celtic is enough alone to see him sacked but I agree with you

Genuinely can’t think of much worse right now than this group of players going up to Inverness to play a Caley team that’ll be well up for it and full of running.

Inverness are an average to poor Championship team who just lost at home to Queens Park. We should be beating them with our eyes closed. I think everyone expects Celtic to beat us but there wont be any excuses for not beating ICT. If we can't then it's curtains for the manager.

[flash]

Inverness are an average to poor Championship team who just lost at home to Queens Park. We should be beating them with our eyes closed. I think everyone expects Celtic to beat us but there wont be any excuses for not beating ICT. If we can't then it's curtains for the manager.

We are struggling just now and they will be right up for it.

We should still be too good for them but it won't be easy.

Having said that I agree with you that a defeat would make it incredibly hard for him.

[AugustaHibs]

There’s a lot of people who seem to know the inner most thoughts of McInnes! 😂

I know for a fact he didn’t want to work under Ron Gordon a couple years back.

[badabing67]

I know for a fact he didn’t want to work under Ron Gordon a couple years back.


Great and I hope he doesn't want to work under Ian Gordon either. just that thought alone has given me a little lift this morning.

[Jim44]

Great and I hope he doesn't want to work under Ian Gordon either. just that thought alone has given me a little lift this morning.

Maybe I’m inventing this, but I have a vague memory of him, in an interview, saying that he didn’t ever see himself managing Hibs and that, in any case, the supporters ‘would never accept me’.

[Donegal Hibby]

Reckon a heavy defeat tomorrow and out the cup Saturday would see him off

The old firm can give any of the rest of us a doing no matter how we're playing. More than likely we will lose by 2 may 3 goals though while nobody likes to lose if we could just see abit of a reaction and fight from the team it would be something at least. Always think it's harsh judging the team , manager against the old firm when we know there on a totally different planet than us . Think we will beat Inverness though 👍

[Jim44]

The old firm can give any of the rest of us a doing no matter how we're playing. More than likely we will lose by 2 may 3 goals though while nobody likes to lose if we could just see abit of a reaction and fight from the team it would be something at least. Always think it's harsh judging the team , manager against the old firm when we know there on a totally different planet than us . Think we will beat Inverness though 👍

In a way, Monty is lucky that we play Celtic tomorrow. Even a defeat from them gives him borrowed time till the game against ICT. If tomorrow’s game was against ‘lower’ opposition, a defeat would probably be the last straw. Mind you, a real humping, with no positives, tomorrow, might be the end.

[Mainstandman]

There is a lot of talk about the players and performance but that has to come from the manager for me. He just doesn't seem to have it in him to get the best from players or know when to sit them out. Players look ponderous and unsure and that's got to come from him. We are not well drilled and appear to have little understanding of what to do. Leaving Whittaker come out for the second half when he was on a yellow and getting ripped apart showed mindblowing levels of ignorance.

His first few games saw an up turn in effort and aggression but since December its been really poor.

Anyone remember the Dundee game where we had like 20 shots, okay it didn't happen that day but there was a proper plan, player engagement and effort.

[Just_Jimmy]

Man united said the same about Alex Ferguson however after a horrendous few seasons he built a team and as you all know the rest is history, Sir Alex did not achieve this in 20 games??SAF had a proven record. We've appointed a lower league journeyman in Johnson and got exactly what his record was, and 2 absolute novices.

Give me someone with SAFs record prior to man utd and I'll give them 5 years too...

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[jakeshibs]

Not really the case though, is it. It’s just a pishy sound bite to blame the fans rather than the club who keep making an arse of things.

Ah I forgot that we as fans pay the compensation ? We just keep revolving managers after twenty odd games we will never progrress

[Winston Ingram]

SAF had a proven record. We've appointed a lower league journeyman in Johnson and got exactly what his record was, and 2 absolute novices.

Give me someone with SAFs record prior to man utd and I'll give them 5 years too...

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Very harsh on LJ. He did a great job at Oldham, was poached by Barnsley. Did a great job at Barnsley before being poached by Bristol City. Stayed there for 4 1/2 years, did an excellent job before going on a bad run and getting emptied. Despite being there only a year, he won the EFL trophy at Sunderland.

His record before Hibs was quite impressive and on the face of things, quite a sound appointment.

[Winston Ingram]

Man united said the same about Alex Ferguson however after a horrendous few seasons he built a team and as you all know the rest is history, Sir Alex did not achieve this in 20 games??

That's a ridiculous comparison. It was a very different era.

Ferguson had a brilliant Managerial record already, had taken Aberdeen to several trophies, including beating Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup. Calls for his head first happened 3 years into his job at Man U.

[Bridge hibs]

I know for a fact he didn’t want to work under Ron Gordon a couple years back.

What is the fact, Did Ron upset him ?

[Nicho87]

If it’s a complete **** sandwhich tomorrow i don’t want him to get Inverness. Give it to DG. Then get McInnes.

I have lost any faith I had in Monty after Saturday.

I thought I’d feel better about it, but watching the sky interview regarding tomorrow I just can’t get on his side now.

I find it dull and boring. Surely the players must feel that also.

[Brizo]

As someone who didn't want to see McIness anywhere near Hibs because of the time wasting and cheating that characterized every sheep performance under his leadership when they played us, I'd rather have him than a fourth manager in a row with no proven SPL experience.

While I've no doubt that an element of the support would turn on him after 2 or 3 bad results what you get with McIness is a track record of building and rebuilding teams throughout his time at the Sheep and now at Killie. I'd be confident that a McIness or a Robinson could turn things around while I had no confidence that Maloney or Johnson could or that Montgomery can. Whether he, Robinson, or Tony Docherty would come to Hibs is an entirely different matter

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Mind you, a real humping, with no positives, tomorrow, might be the end.

Can't see anything else apart from that happening unfortunately.

[WhileTheChief..]

Celtic have their own problems to worry about, we might just get something out of this game if we approach it properly.

NM should view this as an opportunity to get us on the right track. Sticking with what he’s been doing the last few games won’t work. He must realise that by now.

[Smartie]

Celtic have their own problems to worry about, we might just get something out of this game if we approach it properly.

NM should view this as an opportunity to get us on the right track. Sticking with what he’s been doing the last few games won’t work. He must realise that by now.

This is probably the biggest positive going into the game.

My mate who is a Celtic fan is raging at the moment and having all sorts of issues with the strength of their squad, the way the players are being used etc.

So we're not playing a Celtic team that's been at the level it's been at in recent years.

If we were in better shape relative to our own expectations we should be smelling blood.

As it is, it's 2 teams grasping for something to suggest they're getting their act together.

[Since452]

Celtic have their own problems to worry about, we might just get something out of this game if we approach it properly.

NM should view this as an opportunity to get us on the right track. Sticking with what he’s been doing the last few games won’t work. He must realise that by now.

If he persists with the same team (other than the Australia boys) he should be sacked before we kick off. If he makes the changes, swallows his pride and bins Jair for example then at least it will show he can see what we see and he might build some good will again.

[hibeerealist]

Celtic have their own problems to worry about, we might just get something out of this game if we approach it properly.

NM should view this as an opportunity to get us on the right track. Sticking with what he’s been doing the last few games won’t work. He must realise that by now.


Can any of us really believe he will?

Sorry, I think his time is up

[Paulie Walnuts]

Celtic have their own problems to worry about, we might just get something out of this game if we approach it properly.

NM should view this as an opportunity to get us on the right track. Sticking with what he’s been doing the last few games won’t work. He must realise that by now.

Definitely. Celtic drop points in a quarter of their games. It shouldn’t be out of the question to get something tomorrow when we’re one of the bigger clubs in the league and it absolutely shouldn’t be out of the question to make a game of it.

[GreenCastle]

Be curious to see team selection and the plan as since Saturday he won’t have had much time to change things.

Recovery session - Sunday?
Training - Monday
Organisation training today ?

Celtic rarely drop points 2 games in a row - can’t see anything except a Celtic win.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is probably the biggest positive going into the game.

My mate who is a Celtic fan is raging at the moment and having all sorts of issues with the strength of their squad, the way the players are being used etc.

So we're not playing a Celtic team that's been at the level it's been at in recent years.

If we were in better shape relative to our own expectations we should be smelling blood.

As it is, it's 2 teams grasping for something to suggest they're getting their act together.

Was speaking to a couple of Celtic fans earlier and their chat is along the lines of "Brendan couldn't get a result at ER when he was decent, so no chance now".

For a club sitting top of the league, they're an unhappy bunch :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

As someone who didn't want to see McIness anywhere near Hibs because of the time wasting and cheating that characterized every sheep performance under his leadership when they played us, I'd rather have him than a fourth manager in a row with no proven SPL experience.

While I've no doubt that an element of the support would turn on him after 2 or 3 bad results what you get with McIness is a track record of building and rebuilding teams throughout his time at the Sheep and now at Killie. I'd be confident that a McIness or a Robinson could turn things around while I had no confidence that Maloney or Johnson could or that Montgomery can. Whether he, Robinson, or Tony Docherty would come to Hibs is an entirely different matter

This is pretty much where I am at now. I think McInnes at this stage of his career has the experience and pedigree to get a hell of a lot more out of our current squad than Montgomery is managing and probably is better placed to strengthen it well come the summer. Put him together with the resources of Foley and the support from the likes of Bournemouth and you likely have a manager with both the knowledge and the mentality to get after 3rd place successfully straight out of the traps next season.

[K-Zazu]

The way he goes on about players being away on international duty you would think we have 10 players away.

[Rumble de Thump]

The way he goes on about players being away on international duty you would think we have 10 players away.

Players away on international duty combined with the players that had been out injured is about 10.

[Smartie]

Was speaking to a couple of Celtic fans earlier and their chat is along the lines of "Brendan couldn't get a result at ER when he was decent, so no chance now".

For a club sitting top of the league, they're an unhappy bunch :greengrin

They are. My mate suspects something funny is happening off the park but doesn't know what.

We were having one of those "we're in worse shape than you / no, we're in worse shape than you" conversations the other day, and his comment was that they finished the game the other night with their RB at LB, Kyogo in midfield, an 18 year old winger and Norwich's 3rd choice striker up front.

I made the point that it's not exactly a Dylan Levitt starting at CM shambles but it's not sounding great for them at present, even if they always seem to be able to dig out great performances for the Rangers games.

[One Day Soon]

Players away on international duty combined with the players that had been out injured is about 10.

The managers of all the teams we should be competing with face challenges over players on international duty and injuries. The managers of teams we should be running over the top of all face challenges of having much smaller squads than ours. He's hopeless.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This is probably the biggest positive going into the game.

My mate who is a Celtic fan is raging at the moment and having all sorts of issues with the strength of their squad, the way the players are being used etc.

So we're not playing a Celtic team that's been at the level it's been at in recent years.

If we were in better shape relative to our own expectations we should be smelling blood.

As it is, it's 2 teams grasping for something to suggest they're getting their act together.

I thought Celtic were decent enough in the first half on Saturday, they could well be out of sight by half time if they perform to a similar level tomorrow night.

[Hibee Mac]

Players away on international duty combined with the players that had been out injured is about 10.You're right, however, that number is not an indication of the number of players missing from the first team though, which is what I think the poster you quoted was getting at.

Monty has repeatedly brought this up in recent interviews, almost implying he had 10 first teamers out. But in reality he is missing Boyle, Rocky and Miller. The rest are either young boys or long term injuries and that's part of football in every team up and down the league.

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[Springbank]

I think tonight's choice of starting xi will tell us if monty has the desire & nous to be here beyond February.

If he shores it up by picking all of his all rounder midfielders, while giving only a bench spot for the less hardworking members of the squad (who could prove decisive second half) then he's getting the message

But if it's a starting spot for the full array of wingers mavericks & no10s (jair Levitt youan Boyle marcondes) it'll be 0-3 quicker than the last 2 home games & where do we all go from there?

I'd love NM to succeed

I hope he feels the same

[B.H.F.C]

I think tonight's choice of starting xi will tell us if monty has the desire & nous to be here beyond February.

If he shores it up by picking all of his all rounder midfielders, while giving only a bench spot for the less hardworking members of the squad (who could prove decisive second half) then he's getting the message

But if it's a starting spot for the full array of wingers mavericks & no10s (jair Levitt youan Boyle marcondes) it'll be 0-3 quicker than the last 2 home games & where do we all go from there?

I'd love NM to succeed

I hope he feels the same

Boyle will start on the right and Marcondes will play, I think, off Vente.

I also think Moriah Welsh will come in for Levitt. Newell will keep his place.

Not sure what he will do on the left but, personally, I’d think about pushing Newell out there and bring Amos in central. Can’t see him doing that though so it sure who will play there.

[JimBHibees]

You're right, however, that number is not an indication of the number of players missing from the first team though, which is what I think the poster you quoted was getting at.

Monty has repeatedly brought this up in recent interviews, almost implying he had 10 first teamers out. But in reality he is missing Boyle, Rocky and Miller. The rest are either young boys or long term injuries and that's part of football in every team up and down the league.

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Csdden JDH are first teamers

[Hibby Bairn]

Boyle will start on the right and Marcondes will play, I think, off Vente.

I also think Moriah Welsh will come in for Levitt. Newell will keep his place.

Not sure what he will do on the left but, personally, I’d think about pushing Newell out there and bring Amos in central. Can’t see him doing that though so it sure who will play there.

Stevenson and Obita on the left

[Tyler Durden]

The way he goes on about players being away on international duty you would think we have 10 players away.

Yeah doesn't sit right with me. Also saying today that if Lewis Miller was here, we wouldn't be losing goals at the back post vs Killie. We've lost those goals all season. Lewis Miller has lost his man loads of times, as has Fish.

Signing some experience would have helped develop and improve both of those players but Monty chose not to.

[Winston Ingram]

Csdden JDH are first teamers

They're members of the first team squad, not starters

[Iain G]

They're members of the first team squad, not starters

Yeah because they are currently injured!

[Since452]

Yeah doesn't sit right with me. Also saying today that if Lewis Miller was here, we wouldn't be losing goals at the back post vs Killie. We've lost those goals all season. Lewis Miller has lost his man loads of times, as has Fish.

Signing some experience would have helped develop and improve both of those players but Monty chose not to.

I thought that was a poor comment and would have knocked the confidence of the guys playing even more. Everything Montgomery does smacks of inexperience. It's becoming laughable. It's good to know we wont be losing any goals at the back post tonight though.

[sauzee1989]

More embarrassing comments saying we were unlucky not to score two goals against St Mirren. We had one shot on target and even if we somehow managed to score two from the crumbs we had on offer we would have lost still at home to St mirren on a third of our budget at least.

[JimBHibees]

They're members of the first team squad, not starters

Both were when they got injured

[Winston Ingram]

Yeah because they are currently injured!

Aye i know that, but Cadden was in out in the 2nd half of last season before his injury and JDH hasn't held down a place since pre-LJ. Cadden was shifted out to right mid as we finally worked out he can't defend.

It's certainly not an excuse that NM should be using.

[Not In The Know]

The way he goes on about players being away on international duty you would think we have 10 players away.

rookie right backs cost us a goal 3 games in a row. He has a point.

[1620]

W
rookie right backs cost us a goal 3 games in a row. He has a point.

But Millar isn’t the answer. He is a liability in a number of ways!

[JimBHibees]

W

But Millar isn’t the answer. He is a liability in a number of ways!

Some of his best games have been against Celtic. Huge potential but decision making needs to be better.

[Since452]

Some of his best games have been against Celtic. Huge potential but decision making needs to be better.

Thought he was really good at Villa Park.

[JimBHibees]

Thought he was really good at Villa Park.

Agree

[Hermit Crab]

We were 4th on the 9th December on 24 points. We are now 7th with 27 points with no league wins since Livingston away and only picking up 3 points in draws against Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen today. In that time period we have scored 7 league goals and conceded 16.

Hearts lost 2-1 to Aberdeen on the 9th December. Hearts were 6th on 23 points after that defeat, they are now 3rd with 51 points with absolutely no chance of us catching them. They have taken 28 points from a possible 30, they have scored 18 league goals conceding only 8.

Now, as far as I'm concerned that plummet in form is sacking material. No improvement at all, just plummeting down the league while our city rivals disappear into the distance. Anyone still think Monty is the man to take forward? Answers on the back of a post card please.

He has to go for me.

[easty]

We were 4th on the 9th December on 24 points. We are now 7th with 27 points with no league wins since Livingston away and only picking up 3 points in draws against Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen today. In that time period we have scored 7 league goals and conceded 16.

Hearts lost 2-1 to Aberdeen on the 9th December. Hearts were 6th on 23 points after that defeat, they are now 3rd with 51 points with absolutely no chance of us catching them. They have taken 28 points from a possible 30, they have scored 18 league goals conceding only 8.

Now, as far as I'm concerned that plummet in form is sacking material. No improvement at all, just plummeting down the league while our city rivals disappear into the distance. Anyone still think Monty is the man to take forward? Answers on the back of a post card please.

He has to go for me.

Agreed.

How long are we meant to put up with this before the inevitable happens?

[Hermit Crab]

Agreed.

How long are we meant to put up with this before the inevitable happens?


Mate it's a disgrace, his record is worse than Maloney's. Even Forfar and ICT away performances were crap. Scraped past Forfar and ICT and even thought ICT was a little more convincing we should be trouncing lower league sides by 3 or 4 without reply.

Its not good enough, he has to go.

[greenlex]

We were 4th on the 9th December on 24 points. We are now 7th with 27 points with no league wins since Livingston away and only picking up 3 points in draws against Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen today. In that time period we have scored 7 league goals and conceded 16.

Hearts lost 2-1 to Aberdeen on the 9th December. Hearts were 6th on 23 points after that defeat, they are now 3rd with 51 points with absolutely no chance of us catching them. They have taken 28 points from a possible 30, they have scored 18 league goals conceding only 8.

Now, as far as I'm concerned that plummet in form is sacking material. No improvement at all, just plummeting down the league while our city rivals disappear into the distance. Anyone still think Monty is the man to take forward? Answers on the back of a post card please.

He has to go for me.
Fair enough what you think of our form but Hearts form has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to our situation other than an injury time wonder strike to beat us. You really are a strange one. It’s not healthy.

[Scottie]

Fair enough what you think of our form but Hearts form has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to our situation other than an injury time wonder strike to beat us. You really are a strange one. It’s not healthy.
But he’s right with his post, our form is relegation form.

For me it’s the players also, how many more managers are this lot going to see off ?

[Hibeesdaft16]

Fair enough what you think of our form but Hearts form has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to our situation other than an injury time wonder strike to beat us. You really are a strange one. It’s not healthy.


Of course it is. They are third. It might not be relevant to people that think 7th in the league is alright because we beat a ***** Championship site but to the majority of us it's a complete and utter disgrace to be what? 24 points behind our main rivals.

Nothing strange or unhealthy on HC's post. He's not the head in the sand deluded one.

[greenlex]

Of course it is. They are third. It might not be relevant to people that think 7th in the league is alright because we beat a ***** Championship site but to the majority of us it's a complete and utter disgrace to be what? 24 points behind our main rivals.

Nothing strange or unhealthy on HC's post. He's not the head in the sand deluded one.
So you think I’m deluded because I think Hearts being third has no relevance to our form. Get your head out the sand. There’s nothing we can do about their form. Absolutely nothing. Think about things before you post garbage.

[greenlex]

But he’s right with his post, our form is relegation form.

For me it’s the players also, how many more managers are this lot going to see off ?

I never said anything different.

[Cabbage-Patch]

He needs to beat Dundee next week then take 6 points off county home and away or he needs his jotters. I'm not even going to pretend we will get anything off the jambos because they are so far ahead of us at the moment it's criminal. Cup game against the Rangers at home anything could happen but top 6 needs to be priority now

[Scotty Leither]

He needs to beat Dundee next week then take 6 points off county home and away or he needs his jotters. I'm not even going to pretend we will get anything off the jambos because they are so far ahead of us at the moment it's criminal. Cup game against the Rangers at home anything could happen but top 6 needs to be priority now

Why wait until Tynecastle where that mob will be dying to really stick it to us?

[greenlex]

Why wait until Tynecastle where that mob will be dying to really stick it to us?

In true Hibs fashion we will take the points.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agreed.

How long are we meant to put up with this before the inevitable happens?

Likewise.

He needs to go. Absolutely atrocious record.

[Chorley Hibee]

In true Hibs fashion we will take the points.

Probably in-between losing to Dundee and Ross County. 🙈

[Bakerman]

Why wait until Tynecastle where that mob will be dying to really stick it to us?

Anyone with that attitude with tickets, I'll happily buy at least one from you please?

[greenlex]

Probably in-between losing to Dundee and Ross County. 🙈

That’s a given

[K-Zazu]

We needed to sign an experienced centre half and we didn’t do it, the defence is a shambles and that’s on Montgomery.

[Centre Hawf]

We needed to sign an experienced centre half and we didn’t do it, the defence is a shambles and that’s on Montgomery.

I do not let our Director of Football off easily either.

[Scotty Leither]

We needed to sign an experienced centre half and we didn’t do it, the defence is a shambles and that’s on Montgomery.

…and the Board for resolutely neglecting the need to spend some money in January on a Centre Half. Mind you, it’s a hard window to bring in players, no one wants to sell their best players, etc etc.

Brought in plenty money though, eh?

[Chorley Hibee]

…and the Board for resolutely neglecting the need to spend some money in January on a Centre Half. Mind you, it’s a hard window to bring in players, no one wants to sell their best players, etc etc.

Brought in plenty money though, eh?

I'd love to know how much Kensell and the Gordon family have cost the club with their abysmal managers, piss-poor players, development team bull****, and failure on the park.

I bet it's a damn sight more than the 10% extra they've generated through hospitality.

[Scotty Leither]

I'd love to know how much Kensell and the Gordon family have cost the club with their abysmal managers, piss-poor players, development team bull****, and failure on the park.

I bet it's a damn sight more than the 10% extra they've generated through hospitality.

They should get asked that at the AGM but no difficult questions will be permitted.

[jeffers]

They should get asked that at the AGM but no difficult questions will be permitted.

The last AGMs I’ve been to you raise your hand, get the mic and can ask whatever question you want.

[sauzee1989]

Don’t know how he motivates anyone. His lack of intelligence comes through in his post match interviews, constantly just says ‘ I thought’

[IberianHibernian]

…and the Board for resolutely neglecting the need to spend some money in January on a Centre Half. Mind you, it’s a hard window to bring in players, no one wants to sell their best players, etc etc.

Brought in plenty money though, eh?Did we not get a good fee for Melkersen with a sell on clause too ?

[Chorley Hibee]

Don’t know how he motivates anyone. His lack of intelligence comes through in his post match interviews, constantly just says ‘ I thought’

Looks, and sounds, miles out of his depth.

[Alfred E Newman]

We needed to sign an experienced centre half and we didn’t do it, the defence is a shambles and that’s on Montgomery.

We’ve got one and we seem unable to sign anyone better.

[Sparrows tongue]

Don’t know how he motivates anyone. His lack of intelligence comes through in his post match interviews, constantly just says ‘ I thought’

I thought that too.

:greengrin

[Nicho87]

A decent coach manages to steady the ship. We have slumped after our initial ‘new appointed manager bounce’

Too many red flags

[Hermit Crab]

A decent coach manages to steady the ship. We have slumped after our initial ‘new appointed manager bounce’

Too many red flags


He can't be the one to take us to the next level. If he was then we'd be seeing signs of improvement. So far we are getting worse every weeks. We simply cannot defend.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A decent coach manages to steady the ship. We have slumped after our initial ‘new appointed manager bounce’

Too many red flags

Was it not 1 win from 7 or something when he first came in?

He should have been gone after St Mirren. He should still be gone now imo.

[Nicho87]

Was it not 1 win from 7 or something when he first came in?

He should have been gone after St Mirren. He should still be gone now imo.

Agreed

The level of performance, clear lack of direction and effort was there to see clear as day. He must have thought he’d do well to avoid getting the bullet.

This clear the air and dressing room bust ups etc

Shouldn’t be having to be said so soon in a managers tenure

It’s inevitable, I’d respect hibs for doing it now rather piss up against the end of the season, then just give him pre-season and sack him 3 games in, just like LJ.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agreed

The level of performance, clear lack of direction and effort was there to see clear as day. He must have thought he’d do well to avoid getting the bullet.

This clear the air and dressing room bust ups etc

Shouldn’t be having to be said so soon in a managers tenure

It’s inevitable, I’d respect hibs for doing it now rather piss up against the end of the season, then just give him pre-season and sack him 3 games in, just like LJ.

I sat here for the first few months absolutely baffled at some of the posts I seen on here. Folk talking about it being clear what he’s trying to do, it’s so obvious we’ve got a top top manager etc. Yet what I was watching was nothing of the sort.

Generally speaking, it’s been absolutely guff from start to finish under Montgomery imo.

[thebausburst]

Nick ‘I’m disappointed’ Montgomery needs to be gone, he’s clearly completely out his depth, week in week out Hibs are hopeless, defence is appalling, team haven’t won since 9/12 which is a total embarrassment and completely unacceptable. McInnes the very obvious choice.

[Real Emerald]

I sat here for the first few months absolutely baffled at some of the posts I seen on here. Folk talking about it being clear what he’s trying to do, it’s so obvious we’ve got a top top manager etc. Yet what I was watching was nothing of the sort.

Generally speaking, it’s been absolutely guff from start to finish under Montgomery imo.

Yep, there was a game early on (but I can’t remember which one it was) where we were winning and he decided to change our back 4 for no apparent reason other than to give the guy on the bench a run out. It almost backfired but we got away with it. It set alarm bells ringing for me as managers are reluctant to change a back four from week to week let alone during a game you’re winning and there’s absolutely no reason for it.

He just comes across as not very intelligent, not very inspiring and doesn’t seem to have anything about him that suggests he’s a leader.

[Scotty Leither]

Yep, there was a game early on (but I can’t remember which one it was) where we were winning and he decided to change our back 4 for no apparent reason other than to give the guy on the bench a run out. It almost backfired but we got away with it. It set alarm bells ringing for me as managers are reluctant to change a back four from week to week let alone during a game you’re winning and there’s absolutely no reason for it.

He just comes across as not very intelligent, not very inspiring and doesn’t seem to have anything about him that suggests he’s a leader.

He was the cheap option.

[Nicho87]

He was the cheap option.

Suppose it helped fund Kensell annual salary

Bigger picture eh

[Unseen work]

I sat here for the first few months absolutely baffled at some of the posts I seen on here. Folk talking about it being clear what he’s trying to do, it’s so obvious we’ve got a top top manager etc. Yet what I was watching was nothing of the sort.

Generally speaking, it’s been absolutely guff from start to finish under Montgomery imo.

I was one tbf.

I maintain it was obvious what he was trying to do as on occaision it would work and looked like we could potentially improve at it through coaching or new players.

What I find absolutely bizarre is that he was adamant on 442 and just wouldn’t change it, even when it was obvious we needed to shore up at times.

You’d think he’d recruit to suit the system and it looked like we did, but now he’s changed to 433?

Is that just to accommodate certain players?

If he ditched the 442 pre window I’m convinced we’d have had more points. Even a Jeggo on for Vente and a three in midfield to shore up at times.

[Is It On....]

I'd love to know how much Kensell and the Gordon family have cost the club with their abysmal managers, piss-poor players, development team bull****, and failure on the park.

I bet it's a damn sight more than the 10% extra they've generated through hospitality.

I didn't think you were allowed to say anything negative about the Gordon family ownership tenure.

[NC1875]

Don’t know how he motivates anyone. His lack of intelligence comes through in his post match interviews, constantly just says ‘ I thought’

Yup, as thick as 2 planks. We’re worse than when he came in. Fed up listening to his ***** about players on international duty, academy players bla bla bla. His job is to manage a team to win football games. He hasn’t managed it for over 2 months.

Another diddy

[Unseen work]

Yup, as thick as 2 planks. We’re worse than when he came in. Fed up listening to his ***** about players on international duty, academy players bla bla bla. His job is to manage a team to win football games. He hasn’t managed it for over 2 months.

Another diddy

It’s the fact he’s making out Bushiri has been a big miss for us, we got your first choice centre half in!!🤣

[GreenGray]

League table makes for bleak reading.

County in 11th are closer to us than we are to Kilmarnock in 4th.


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[hibeerealist]

He was the cheap option.


I think that has become very clear, won a pub league and held up as a winner who does things differently.

Sorry naw, its no working and I very much doubt it ever will. NM been credited with improving Jair whilst numerous others have gone backwards. God help us if we had to rely on Jair or Youan for that matter.

All very depressing this season(again)!

[The Modfather]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

[Bakerman]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

Good post. Sums it up well. The new players that have come in have largely boosted the team, and a win next week should instill some positivity.

[jeffers]

I think that has become very clear, won a pub league and held up as a winner who does things differently.

Sorry naw, its no working and I very much doubt it ever will. NM been credited with improving Jair whilst numerous others have gone backwards. God help us if we had to rely on Jair or Youan for that matter.

All very depressing this season(again)!

The longer it goes the more it looks like Monty was a mistake but cheap option ? If that was our consideration we’d have given it to SDG or a manager out of work rather than paying compensation with presumably relocation expenses to bring a manager in from Oz.

[Stevie Reid]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

I think Moriah-Welsh looks good but Amos has made little impression so far. It’s early days for both though, so I don’t think you can definitively state NM has fixed the midfield.

Back at the start of 2021/22, before things went south for Jack Ross, JDH looked very good, and quite reminiscent of McGeouch, in the early part of the season. We bizarrely gave him a new contract when he’d barely started the original one, and for a variety of reasons he has never looked the same again.

Same with Maolida, quite a positive start so far, but still very early. Vente had a superb start but for whatever reason, the last few months haven’t been great for him or us.

The time to judge transfer windows is at the end of the season. Let’s hope these guys continue to make a positive contribution.

[matty_f]

He was the cheap option.

How cheap was he and who were the more expensive options available to a club with a near £4m loss in the last accounts?

[matty_f]

The longer it goes the more it looks like Monty was a mistake but cheap option ? If that was our consideration we’d have given it to SDG or a manager out of work rather than paying compensation with presumably relocation expenses to bring a manager in from Oz.

Yeah, I would be very interested to see the evidence of how he was a cheap option.

[Keepthefaith]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

Well said. However folk aren't prepared to see things from that perspective as they're determined to undermine his previous success as being in a Diddy League and are now making personal digs about his interviews despite also not wanting another Lee Johnson type who was some sort of pseudo intellectual!

Truth is, until we win a couple of games in the league this place will still be as mental and negative as it is. If he does get us top six and into semi/ final I'd be ok with that if performance like that against Celtic are repeated.

Unfortunately Monty will only ever be one loss or draw from folk jumping on him.

Was watching MOTD and it struck me that Gary O'Neil is someone that the guys on here wanting Monty out wouldn't have wanted anywhere near hibs due to getting sacked at Bournemouth and early season struggle at wolves. He's massively turned it around. Sometimes patience is needed and if we're honest, none of us know for sure which decision will end up being right!

[Stevie Reid]

I’m not in the camp of definitely wanting him gone at the moment, but I’m not a million miles away from it.

I’m sitting here just now questioning where can we say we have improved since he came in? What are we better at now that we were struggling with before?

In LJ’s three league games this season we couldn’t defend at all, and cross balls in particular - so nothing much has changed in that regard.

In the four games before he arrived we found the net seven times - scoring wasn’t a problem but winning games was. Again not much change.

I think there has been a very slight improvement in our defensive stats, and a bit of a regression in our scoring - so the two cancel each other out, really. And we still can’t win games.

I thought the performances in his first few weeks were quite promising. In the last couple of league games we have been quite good to watch, and looked pretty dangerous at times. But other than that, it feels like it’s been a real slog.

Overall it just feels like there’s been the odd thing to get excited about every now and then, but nothing has really been sustained at all, bar one wee spell - and that run of four wins in five league games feels like a long time ago now.

Anyway, we are where we are. With each passing week the margin for error reduces even more, and the upturn in results needs to be even more dramatic. Let’s see what happens.

[Greensunshine]

So we sack NM. Then what? The same people who brought NM into the club will then have to find a new manager.

I don’t trust them to get that managerial decision right and for that reason alone, I’d rather just stick with what we got but by Christ NM is making it a hard case to defend.

[Hibeesdaft16]

How cheap was he and who were the more expensive options available to a club with a near £4m loss in the last accounts?

Monty was coming to the end of his contract in Australia, he would have been a lot cheaper than someone we would have to buy out a contract ie the managers that are 10 and 8 points above us respectively.

[matty_f]

Monty was coming to the end of his contract in Australia, he would have been a lot cheaper than someone we would have to buy out a contract ie the managers that are 10 and 8 points above us respectively.
How much cheaper?

[Hibeesdaft16]

How much cheaper?

I have no idea how much it would have cost to pay compensation for McInness but as he signed a new contract it wouldn't have been cheap.

[matty_f]

I have no idea how much it would have cost to pay compensation for McInness but as he signed a new contract it wouldn't have been cheap.

Do you know what he's being paid at Killie compared to Monty at Hibs, then?

[Hibeesdaft16]

Do you know what he's being paid at Killie compared to Monty at Hibs, then?


The point was we didn't have to pay compensation for Monty but would have had to for a manager who had just signed a new contract. Paying no compensation is the cheaper option than paying for one that compensation is needed.

McInness is meant to be on a good wedge at Killie funded by Billy Bowie btw.

[Forza Fred]

Monty was coming to the end of his contract in Australia, he would have been a lot cheaper than someone we would have to buy out a contract ie the managers that are 10 and 8 points above us respectively.

He wasn’t coming to the end of his contract and had a release clause of $50,000 in it, which Hibs paid.
He certainly wasn’t recruited because he was ‘cheap’, but because he was admired.

[RIP]

Until Monty has a settled team who play together week in week out, I'm not convinced we will see a dramatic turnaround. With three centre halves on loan that won't be for another season. The January rejects window isn't normally when most clubs sign good quality permanent recruits.

I dont feel enthusiastic about Nick's style of play. It takes far too long to create chances. It was noticeable at Inverness that when the team went very direct that we started to look dangerous.

Aberdeen had something like 3 or 4 times the shots on goal that we did. So until we stop playing across the back and up the touchline, we won't be able to make better use of Vente, Youan and other central strikers.

It won't be results that get NM sacked IMO. It will be a dreadful style of play that loses the club valuable attendance income.

[HoboHarry]

I think that has become very clear, won a pub league and held up as a winner who does things differently.

Sorry naw, its no working and I very much doubt it ever will. NM been credited with improving Jair whilst numerous others have gone backwards. God help us if we had to rely on Jair or Youan for that matter.

All very depressing this season(again)!
The Scottish league is a pub league, seriously, the quality in general terms is atrocious.

[hibbydog]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

Excellent post.

As usual when a Hibs manager is under pressure there are loads of reasons that prove he’s not a good manager. But nobody can convince me that someone else will do a better job.

15 managers in 20 years. Concrete evidence that chanting managers seldom improves anything. So why do we keep doing the same thing and expect a different result?

It is high time we gave someone a good couple of years to learn the job and make the changes needed to the squad.

We’re in this damn mess because we haven’t done that.

[Greenio]

Most folk calling for NM to be fired now will be the first ones to call for the new manager to ve sent packing after 6 weeks....and so on and so on..

Not saying you're no entitled to say what you want.

But reactionary, short term thinking is what got us here and it sure as **** won't get us out of it

[ChilliEater]

I wouldn’t make a big case for keeping Montgommery as I’d not lose much sleep if he left tomorrow. I do think he’s still raw and learning though and had an almost impossible job of doing all the major surgery needed in one January window.

It looked like his stubbornness and inflexibility to change formation would see him inevitably sacked. He’s sacrificed his principles and gone 433. That and the additions of Moriah-Welsh, Amos, Emiliano & Maolida have seen us look a much better team IMO. Since they have all been fit enough to start and Boyle & Miller back, in isolation, the performances in Celtc, ICT & Aberdeen have all been good/moving in the right direction. That and the fact he’s the first manager in years to genuinely address the midfield, not just signing good individual players but ones with energy, dig and drive in Moriah-Welsh & Amos. Plus a striker suited to playing on his own. Since the Celtc game/new players available i’ve been encouraged.

I understand those that feel that doesn’t negate all that went before it and the fact that’s probably what will see us having too much work left to do to make top 6. If we continue with performances of the last 3 games, and we certainly must turn performances into wins. It’s the fixing of the midfield in one window and a striker that give me hope. The defence was one area needing major surgery too many for a January window. He needs to somehow survive without that defence getting him sacked, and based on the midfield I’d have some confidence he could focus and fix the defence in the summer.

Pretty much where I'm at.

[Carheenlea]

Sacking Montgomery to bring in another Lee Johnson/Sean Maloney/Jack Ross isn’t something I’ve a lot of appetite for.

Some are calling for a “sensible” appointment in Derek McInnes, but there’s not a chance he would have survived a season here such as his first back in the Premier League with Kilmarnock.
With time, he’s found something and they are enjoying a great season with solid foundations to build upon. He’d have been sacked early ‘23 at Hibs.

The cycle of 2 managers a season has to end, and we have some calling for our third for this campaign. It’s more than just appointing the right people. It’s giving managers the chance to build in timescales more realistic to the ones we are demanding at present.

[Hibs4185]

I was feeling confident yesterday until I seen Levitt and Newell on the team sheet.

Was emiliano not ready for 90 minutes? Amos not ready?

The bench looked strong yet we still started with the same old combination.

The squad we have now, we should be winning games like yesterday.

If we don’t win against Dundee, that’ll be him done and dusted.

[Stevie Reid]

Sacking Montgomery to bring in another Lee Johnson/Sean Maloney/Jack Ross isn’t something I’ve a lot of appetite for.

Some are calling for a “sensible” appointment in Derek McInnes, but there’s not a chance he would have survived a season here such as his first back in the Premier League with Kilmarnock.
With time, he’s found something and they are enjoying a great season with solid foundations to build upon. He’d have been sacked early ‘23 at Hibs.

The cycle of 2 managers a season has to end, and we have some calling for our third for this campaign. It’s more than just appointing the right people. It’s giving managers the chance to build in timescales more realistic to the ones we are demanding at present.

Kilmarnock were a newly promoted side last season and finished 10th - therefore a successful season for them.

[Skol]

Kilmarnock were a newly promoted side last season and finished 10th - therefore a successful season for them.

Would have been sacked if he achieved that at hibs. In fact sacked before he achieved that 10th placed finish

[Hibeesdaft16]

Kilmarnock were a newly promoted side last season and finished 10th - therefore a successful season for them.


They also had a Championship standard squad, most on two year contracts so he had to go with that when they came back up. Since then he's brought his own players in to improve the team and has improved the players there.

Meanwhile we have a manager who has managed to make the players we have worse and the team is sitting five points off the top six, yet some think this is acceptable. It's completely baffling.

[Nicho87]

We’ve not won a league match since start of December

I can’t believe Monty defenders are so passionate

Again, we have, even more so with foley higher ambitions now

The writing is on the wall

Out his depth

[Hibeesdaft16]

Would have been sacked if he achieved that at hibs. In fact sacked before he achieved that 10th placed finish


Stubbs wasn't sacked after two attempts at getting us out the Championship.

We also have a lot bigger budget than Killie.

We could easily finish 10th this season.

[Hibeesdaft16]

We’ve not won a league match since start of December

I can’t believe Monty defenders are so passionate

Again, we have, even more so with foley higher ambitions now

The writing is on the wall

Out his depth

Exactly. It's went from we hardly finish 3rd ever so it's unrealistic because of budgets, to we will qualify for Europe in 5th so it's all good (behind a team with a fraction of our budget) to now top six isn't the be all and end all anyway.

Jack Ross is a much better manager and was a much better manager for us than Monty. I would love "another Jack Ross" much better than the guy well out his depth in charge at the moment.

As you say, hopefully the new investors are looking at this overall performance of the team with the players we have and make big changes come the summer. They done it down Bournemouth with Gary Oneil sacked for the Rayo manager and Oneil actually done well. They seem to want to strive for success, not sit there and be happy if we win a few games in the bottom six at a half empty ER and claim its some kind of deluded progress.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Most folk calling for NM to be fired now will be the first ones to call for the new manager to ve sent packing after 6 weeks....and so on and so on..

Not saying you're no entitled to say what you want.

But reactionary, short term thinking is what got us here and it sure as **** won't get us out of it


He's been in charge since September. Not six weeks.

We should have thought short term with Butcher, that worked out well eh?

[Heisenberg]

He’s simply got to start winning games, quickly running out of time. He’s had January and we’ve looked a bit better but still conceding regularly stupid goals.

[ChilliEater]

He's been in charge since September. Not six weeks.

We should have thought short term with Butcher, that worked out well eh?

Every club Butcher managed got worse in the short term, and most quickly fired him. The only 2 that gave him more time - Motherwell and ICT - then improved and probably overachieved. He's actually the perfect example of why you should give a manager more time. Horrible fit for Hibs, we'd have been launching long balls down the channels for Osman Sow to chase and I was delighted when he left, but I think he'd have got us back up sooner. Just no one would have wanted to watch (a bit like Derek McInnes :wink:)

[easty]

Would have been sacked if he achieved that at hibs. In fact sacked before he achieved that 10th placed finish

Aye probably, because we’re Hibs and they’re Kilmarnock. The expectation of McInnes at Killie after bringing them up, would’ve been to keep them up. At Hibs with our budget, we expect more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aye probably, because we’re Hibs and they’re Kilmarnock. The expectation of McInnes at Killie after bringing them up, would’ve been to keep them up. At Hibs with our budget, we expect more.

:agree:

[Stevie Reid]

Would have been sacked if he achieved that at hibs. In fact sacked before he achieved that 10th placed finish

That’s not really the point though is it? If the point is simply a 10th placed finish isn’t acceptable for a Hibs manager, no one on this board will disagree. That’s got nothing to do with McInnes and Killie last season though. That 10th place was perfectly acceptable for them at that point.

A much more pressing concern is that our current manager may yet finish in 10th place this season. FWIW, Killie also had 6 wins from their first 25 games last season, and four less points than we do now. Now NM only came in after four matches, so it’s not quite like for like - but we’re having a shocker of a season so far.

[easty]

Most folk calling for NM to be fired now will be the first ones to call for the new manager to ve sent packing after 6 weeks....and so on and so on..

Not saying you're no entitled to say what you want.

But reactionary, short term thinking is what got us here and it sure as **** won't get us out of it

He’s been here 22 weeks, not 6 weeks. 25 games managed.

Somehow we’ve managed to go on a 7 game run without a win (Sept/Oct/Nov), and are now on a run of 10 games where we’ve failed to win any the 8 league games, but beat lower league sides in the cup.

That’s 2 absolutely hopeless runs that make up well over half the games he’s been here.

Reactionary to want him gone? Not in my opinion.

[KeithTheHibby]

I think he will be given until the split - makes the top 6 and he will keep his job and be given the chance to make Europe. Doesn’t make the top 6 I think he will be away with David Gray taking the ropes until the summer. TBF he probably deserves to go if he doesn’t make top 6. Next Saturdays game could be a defining moment in the managers Hibs career. Lose and I don’t think we are making up the gap, win and it’s game on.

[ChilliEater]

I think he will be given until the split - makes the top 6 and he will keep his job and be given the chance to make Europe. Doesn’t make the top 6 I think he will be away with David Gray taking the ropes until the summer. TBF he probably deserves to go if he doesn’t make top 6. Next Saturdays game could be a defining moment in the managers Hibs career. Lose and I don’t think we are making up the gap, win and it’s game on.

Sounds fair.

[Jones28]

If you were setting him a KPI what would it be?

I would say it’s make top six to secure your job for next season.
Progress in the cup would offer some mitigation but then it would come down to individual games and performances.

If he gets through against rangers and we just miss out on top 6 would that be enough?

[easty]

If you were setting him a KPI what would it be?

I would say it’s make top six to secure your job for next season.
Progress in the cup would offer some mitigation but then it would come down to individual games and performances.

If he gets through against rangers and we just miss out on top 6 would that be enough?

If we go through v Rangers in a one off game, but continue our horse **** league form, it’s nowhere near enough.

[WhileTheChief..]

Most folk calling for NM to be fired now will be the first ones to call for the new manager to ve sent packing after 6 weeks....and so on and so on..

Not saying you're no entitled to say what you want.

But reactionary, short term thinking is what got us here and it sure as **** won't get us out of it

That's simply not true.

If NM had us flying, we'd all be happy just the same as if the new guy comes in and has us winning some games, everyone will be delighted.

We will only want the new guy binned if he can't get us results. Same as every other manager at every other club.

Sticking with managers that can't get us results is the ridiculous stance to take. He has to go if things don't imrpove, it's a no brainer for most of us.

[WhileTheChief..]

Excellent post.

As usual when a Hibs manager is under pressure there are loads of reasons that prove he’s not a good manager. But nobody can convince me that someone else will do a better job.

15 managers in 20 years. Concrete evidence that chanting managers seldom improves anything. So why do we keep doing the same thing and expect a different result?

It is high time we gave someone a good couple of years to learn the job and make the changes needed to the squad.

We’re in this damn mess because we haven’t done that.

We wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup without a change of manager!

Sticking with failures for too long is the problem we've had, not getting rid of the duds too quickly.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s simply got to start winning games, quickly running out of time. He’s had January and we’ve looked a bit better but still conceding regularly stupid goals.

Can’t see that changing because of our stupid approach to ‘fixing’ the defence.

Last league game before the winter break was 2-2 with a couple of ridiculously bad goals lost from a throw in and free kick in to the box. First game after the winter break was 2-2 with two bad goals lost from crosses in to the box. Yesterday was 2-2 and I’m not sure you can even class what we had to defend as crosses, the first one was just a big up and under.

Go back to his very first game and it was 2-2 with the equaliser from a corner. There was the 2-2 at home to Ross County (where he made terrible subs) but the same issue applied, a couple of terrible goals lost from crosses. There was the 2-2 at Tynecastle where we contributed an absolutely terrible own goal to help them out. And there was the 2-2 at St Mirren where we lost a goal in the last minute and conceded a stupid penalty.

For all the talk about tactics and being poor going forward or whatever, it’s pretty clear where our issues lie for me and what has cost us wins. And as far as I’m concerned we made no serious attempt to correct it in January. That is more likely to cost him his job than anything else IMO.

[McGruber]

He should have been away after the St Mirren game, not for the game in isolation but for the horrific record so far - a sackable record as we've seen. They stuck with him (wouldn't have been my call, but they did) and so he has been given a chance to improve it. He hasn't given cause for being sacked since. He has little to no wiggle room before results improve but from the St Mirren game he has done enough. Needed a performance if not result v Celtic, got that, needed a result v ICT, got that and would say ultimately needed to take at least a point at Pittodrie.
He hasn't offered any fresh reason for his dismissal folllowing the rock bottom of St Mirren so he still has a chance to recover it. I won't call for his head again until the next time it is warranted - like I said though, he has left himself no room for error and the next thing he needs is 3 points v Dundee at home. If we fail to win that, fair to pick up the pitchforks again - but not before.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you were setting him a KPI what would it be?

I would say it’s make top six to secure your job for next season.
Progress in the cup would offer some mitigation but then it would come down to individual games and performances.

If he gets through against rangers and we just miss out on top 6 would that be enough?

Top 5 for me, but 6th and progress in the cup could be seen as good enough.

[easty]

Top 5 for me, but 6th and progress in the cup could be seen as good enough.

We should always have top 5 as an expectation. Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen should all expect that.

If another team has a great season and gets up there, then fair enough. There’s no other team having a great season just now though, it’s Hibs and Aberdeen are just underperforming.

[Heedersnvolleys]

I wish we were a bit more ruthless in our managerial appointments. We always seem so nice about it. Sack the current manager take weeks to find or get a new one that sometimes seems not to be the first choice. When was the last time we sacked a manager and had someone already lined up?

[blackpoolhibs]

He wasn’t coming to the end of his contract and had a release clause of $50,000 in it, which Hibs paid.
He certainly wasn’t recruited because he was ‘cheap’, but because he was admired.

That's frightening if our board are that gullable.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sacking Montgomery to bring in another Lee Johnson/Sean Maloney/Jack Ross isn’t something I’ve a lot of appetite for.

Some are calling for a “sensible” appointment in Derek McInnes, but there’s not a chance he would have survived a season here such as his first back in the Premier League with Kilmarnock.
With time, he’s found something and they are enjoying a great season with solid foundations to build upon. He’d have been sacked early ‘23 at Hibs.

The cycle of 2 managers a season has to end, and we have some calling for our third for this campaign. It’s more than just appointing the right people. It’s giving managers the chance to build in timescales more realistic to the ones we are demanding at present.
Tell McInnes he's got 5 years, he will guarantee a much better Hibs team competing at the right end of the league after 2. Won't happen now though as when this one is sacked, we will get a manager nobody has heard of before with some input from our new part owners. Hopefully they know better than this lot about picking the right man.

[Weir07]

He should have been away after the St Mirren game, not for the game in isolation but for the horrific record so far - a sackable record as we've seen. They stuck with him (wouldn't have been my call, but they did) and so he has been given a chance to improve it. He hasn't given cause for being sacked since. He has little to no wiggle room before results improve but from the St Mirren game he has done enough. Needed a performance if not result v Celtic, got that, needed a result v ICT, got that and would say ultimately needed to take at least a point at Pittodrie.
He hasn't offered any fresh reason for his dismissal folllowing the rock bottom of St Mirren so he still has a chance to recover it. I won't call for his head again until the next time it is warranted - like I said though, he has left himself no room for error and the next thing he needs is 3 points v Dundee at home. If we fail to win that, fair to pick up the pitchforks again - but not before.

A fair assessment and matches my thoughts, was furious after the St Mirren game and wanted Monty sacked, however, there has been a bit of a turnaround, a point at Pittodrie is never a bad result. Dundee and Ross County x2 are huge, 9 points are a must, Hearts and Rangers are free hits and a good performance will probably suffice. The 9 points against Dundee and Ross County are far from a given though. Will be an interesting few weeks.

[easty]

A fair assessment and matches my thoughts, was furious after the St Mirren game and wanted Monty sacked, however, there has been a bit of a turnaround, a point at Pittodrie is never a bad result. Dundee and Ross County x2 are huge, 9 points are a must, Hearts and Rangers are free hits and a good performance will probably suffice. The 9 points against Dundee and Ross County are far from a given though. Will be an interesting few weeks.

A point at Aberdeen is basically always a decent result aye, but…theyre handing out points up there just now. No wins in their last 5 home league games.

[Heisenberg]

Can’t see that changing because of our stupid approach to ‘fixing’ the defence.

Last league game before the winter break was 2-2 with a couple of ridiculously bad goals lost from a throw in and free kick in to the box. First game after the winter break was 2-2 with two bad goals lost from crosses in to the box. Yesterday was 2-2 and I’m not sure you can even class what we had to defend as crosses, the first one was just a big up and under.

Go back to his very first game and it was 2-2 with the equaliser from a corner. There was the 2-2 at home to Ross County (where he made terrible subs) but the same issue applied, a couple of terrible goals lost from crosses. There was the 2-2 at Tynecastle where we contributed an absolutely terrible own goal to help them out. And there was the 2-2 at St Mirren where we lost a goal in the last minute and conceded a stupid penalty.

For all the talk about tactics and being poor going forward or whatever, it’s pretty clear where our issues lie for me and what has cost us wins. And as far as I’m concerned we made no serious attempt to correct it in January. That is more likely to cost him his job than anything else IMO.

All fair points. The number of games we’ve drawn 2-2 is crazy.

Triantis was who he wanted which is concerning given the form Fish has been in, pairing the two of them up was never going to solidify our defence. It’s mental considering he clearly saw the issues in other areas of the team and moved to fix them but the defence was basically left with two kids on loan, one of which will probably never contribute this season.

[McGruber]

A point at Aberdeen is basically always a decent result aye, but…theyre handing out points up there just now. No wins in their last 5 home league games.

For balance, no loses either in last 5. Got turned over by St Mirren end Dec and before that beat Frankfurt & Hearts.

A point up there is decent

[Se7enUp]

If you were setting him a KPI what would it be?

I would say it’s make top six to secure your job for next season.
Progress in the cup would offer some mitigation but then it would come down to individual games and performances.

If he gets through against rangers and we just miss out on top 6 would that be enough?

Top 6 at the split gives him till the end of season. Lose all the last 5 games, or even 4, get rid.

[Greenio]

That's simply not true.

If NM had us flying, we'd all be happy just the same as if the new guy comes in and has us winning some games, everyone will be delighted.

We will only want the new guy binned if he can't get us results. Same as every other manager at every other club.

Sticking with managers that can't get us results is the ridiculous stance to take. He has to go if things don't imrpove, it's a no brainer for most of us.

Truth is hard to come by!

My point is, a lot of fans judge a manger's ability to 'get us results' far too soon and think the answer is to start the whole thing again.

I'll stand by my statement that in the people calling for NM to go, you'll find the ones making noises about sacking the replacement after 6 weeks if we aren't flying.

It's short term, blinkered, simplistic thinking that makes for a passionate rant in the pub or on a message board but falls down pretty quick outside of that...as has been proven. Just because it's the easy answer, doesn't make it the answer

[easty]

Truth is hard to come by!

My point is, a lot of fans judge a manger's ability to 'get us results' far too soon and think the answer is to start the whole thing again.

I'll stand by my statement that the most people calling for NM to go, will be the ones making noises about sacking the replacement after 6 weeks if we aren't flying.

It's short term, blinkered, simplistic thinking that makes for a passionate rant in the pub or on a message board. Just because it's the easy answer, doesn't make it the answer

It’s not far too soon though, that’s the point.

[Greenio]

It’s not far too soon though, that’s the point.

I think it is.

Im sick to death of short term thinking

[Hibstrooper]

The Dundee game is make or break. Lose it and we aren’t making back an 8 point gap with the games remaining and Montgomery unlikely to win back the fans.

It’s no surprise the amount of 2-2 games we’ve had this season, we are decent going forward but it’s not only our defence is poor, we give up so many chances that goals against are inevitable - yesterday was again a game with 20+ shots against.

[sean]

Truth is hard to come by!

My point is, a lot of fans judge a manger's ability to 'get us results' far too soon and think the answer is to start the whole thing again.

I'll stand by my statement that in the people calling for NM to go, you'll find the ones making noises about sacking the replacement after 6 weeks if we aren't flying.

It's short term, blinkered, simplistic thinking that makes for a passionate rant in the pub or on a message board but falls down pretty quick outside of that...as has been proven. Just because it's the easy answer, doesn't make it the answer

While I agree with you that sacking managers isn’t the answer you’d like to think there would be a steady progression from week 1 of his management till now.

We had an initial ‘ bounce’ of sorts but since then I can’t really say I have seen progress. I’m not looking to win every week, I accept its Hibs and that you will have bad days but for us to only have won 6 matches by mid February and with the money that’s going out the door on player wages is just unacceptable across the board.

Hibs is a big club, there’s big pressure managing us, fans expect results right or wrongly but that’s the way it is.

Bringing in a young manager to the club ( again ) wasn’t that the answer. We need a strong experienced leader in charge of the club.

We piss about with left field appointments in the dugout and on the park . I have nothing against nick, he comes over a decent bloke but I’m seeing nothing so far to merit he’s got anything in him to get us results consistently.

[easty]

I think it is.

Im sick to death of short term thinking

So, what’s your thinking on it?

Stick with him until when? How long would you give him before you said enough is enough?

For me, it’s not short term thinking to sack him today. It’s accepting that he’s the wrong person for the short term, medium term and long term.

When you sack a manager it’s because they’re underperforming. That’s why Johnson got bulleted. NM hasn’t improved us in any way since coming in. If you can’t improve us from where we were under a guy we sacked for not doing good enough…then you’re also not doing good enough. 25 games is a long enough sample size to see he’s not doing a good enough job.

I don’t think how we’ve handled other managers sackings/appointments is relevant to what we do now. Judge the current gaffer on his own performance. “We go through too many managers” is not a reason to stick with anyone.

[Brightside]

Got to stick with him. Let’s work the project for the first time in about 20 years.

[matty_f]

We wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup without a change of manager!

Sticking with failures for too long is the problem we've had, not getting rid of the duds too quickly.

Or we wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup if we hadn't stuck by a manager who failed his main objective, twice.

[Since452]

Got to stick with him. Let’s work the project for the first time in about 20 years.

Even if he's clearly hopeless? He cost us points and performances for months stubbornly sticking to his formation. 20 odd games later he randomly decides to change it. Months of dross for nothing. How does he have any credibility? The players must be wondering whats going on.

[easty]

Or we wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup of we hadn't stuck by a manager who failed his main objective, twice.

The difference being, Hibs were an exciting team to watch under Stubbs. Who didn’t enjoy being a Hibs fan then? I loved going to Easter Road. We stuck with him as you could see that we were going in the right direction.

Can we say that today?

[Just_Jimmy]

Or we wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup of we hadn't stuck by a manager who failed his main objective, twice.You can't compare stubbs to any of the recent clowns.

He took over when we had 7 first team players and built a squad that was exciting and competitive and mostly scottish. We also goy shafted in the playoff semi final. In short - there was evidence of improvement from day one. I've said so many times on here, if a player or manager doesn't hit the ground running at hibs, they rarely if ever turn it around.

There's absolutely nothing from this manager to suggest he's got what it takes. 6 points against County and Dundee won't change that either.

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[Real Emerald]

You know he’s lost the fans when folk are calling for his head after a 2-2 draw at Pittodrie. In previous years a manager would have got a bit of leeway after a draw at Aberdeen but it looks like the fans have completely lost patience and he’s no goodwill left in the bank. I know there are some fans still giving him a chance but his time looks up.

[WhileTheChief..]

Or we wouldn't have won the Scottish Cup if we hadn't stuck by a manager who failed his main objective, twice.

You think we should stick with NM?

[matty_f]

The difference being, Hibs were an exciting team to watch under Stubbs. Who didn’t enjoy being a Hibs fan then? I loved going to Easter Road. We stuck with him as you could see that we were going in the right direction.

Can we say that today?
We were also routinely drawing and losing to Championship teams in those seasons, including a semi final at Hampden.

[easty]

We were also routinely drawing and losing to Championship teams in those seasons, including a semi final at Hampden.

Yep, loads of ***** results, but there was rarely, if ever, a call for him to get the boot. As a fan base we were enjoying it under Stubbs. There was a style of play. There was purpose.

It’s the complete opposite today. It tells me that we’d be willing to get on board with a project, if the project looked like it was going somewhere.

[matty_f]

You think we should stick with NM?

I'd give him more than the win at Caley, a draw at Aberdeen and defeat to Celtic he's had since the St Mirren debacle when the transfer window has just ended.

[matty_f]

Yep, loads of ***** results, but there was rarely, if ever, a call for him to get the boot. As a fan base we were enjoying it under Stubbs. There was a style of play. There was purpose.

It’s the complete opposite today. It tells me that we’d be willing to get on board with a project, if the project looked like it was going somewhere.
Folk were absolutely calling for him to go. Not at the same level as here but it's not true to say there were hardly any calls for him to go.

[easty]

Folk were absolutely calling for him to go. Not at the same level as here but it's not true to say there were hardly any calls for him to go.

There’s always gonna be calls for a manager to go. On the whole though, he was well supported.

[HendoDelivered]

He was the cheap option.

We paid compo for him

[matty_f]

There’s always gonna be calls for a manager to go. On the whole though, he was well supported.

And we've already got folk on here saying that performances aren't enough, if he doesn't get top six then he should go, so even if there was better performances and we could see progress post-transfer window, it's not enough.

[easty]

And we've already got folk on here saying that performances aren't enough, if he doesn't get top six then he should go, so even if there was better performances and we could see progress post-transfer window, it's not enough.

Because we’ve been **** since he came in, we’re not good to watch. We cannae defend. He’s not addressed that.

He doesn’t deserve more time.

[Smartie]

You think we should stick with NM?

A very serious conversation needs to be had if we don’t make top six (and I’d be punting him).

If he makes top six, especially if he beats Rangers and extends the cup run, if our midfield looks better, he’s found a way for us to stop leaking goals and the improvement in our performances continues then I think he deserves next season.

Fine margins stuff again and a big few weeks for him.

But we’re only really talking about getting enough points from a mini series of matches with Dundee, Ross County and Hearts. If he falls short I don’t think he can have many complaints, mainly because he failed to put enough credit in the bank earlier in the season.

[Scotty Leither]

We paid compo for him

Aye, buttons in comparative terms to getting someone in with decent pedigree. I suspect that was Kensell’s brief from Gordon though.

[JimBHibees]

I'd give him more than the win at Caley, a draw at Aberdeen and defeat to Celtic he's had since the St Mirren debacle when the transfer window has just ended.

I would give him until the end of the season and reassess. Makes no sense to do otherwise given the turnover in January. There have been signs of improvement however we do clearly need wins though would be good if the fans were supportive rather than getting on players backs if misplace a pass.