Round 2 - The best of the rest v Hibernian

[flash]

It is an if. I’m not sure it’s a massive if though, all he’d need to do is go on the same run he’s already been on again. The post I replied to said he absolutely will get the chance to sign his own. As it stands I don’t think that’s a certainty by any stretch. He’s already proved himself capable of going on such a run.

We aren't losing often either.

It could go either way.

[Archie70]

Fresh young legs that found themselves in a 3 on 2 at the half way line then chose the option of trying to go himself past old Gogic, only for old Gogic to destroy him for pace.

Id far rather half Vente in that position with an expensive and astute football brain.

This...the boy was just on the park and looked like he was running through treacle. I couldn't believe how slow he looked, not just against Gogic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How about we deal with that when it happens? which of course it won’t. He has had 8 league games in charge, we have lost 1, at Ibrox.

Horror appointment, shut up eh. 😂

Why ‘of course it wont’? It already has. If he’s been (and currently is on) a run of that length of time with that amount of wins, how can anyone say of course we won’t do it again over the next 8 games?

If you don’t think a manager coming in and having the record he has is a horror appointment then crack on.

[LaMotta]

So subbing on Miller and Jeggo invited pressure on to us?

Subbing a shattered player off for more energy towards the end of the game is probably the most common sub in football

Thats one way to describe it.

Another way to describe it is taking off your star striker (who didn't actually look knackered) with two assists and bringing on an untested 16 year old.

[The Modfather]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.

[raeburnhibs]

It is an if. I’m not sure it’s a massive if though, all he’d need to do is go on the same run he’s already been on again. The post I replied to said he absolutely will get the chance to sign his own. As it stands I don’t think that’s a certainty by any stretch. He’s already proved himself capable of going on such a run.

ifs and buts, he may well go on a run where the 3 or 4 draws which should have been wins are wins

[JohnM1875]

Thats one way to describe it.

Another way to describe it is taking off your star striker (who didn't actually look knackered) with two assists and bringing on an untested 16 year old.

Didn’t look that tired? He was grimacing chasing a ball over the top about the 70 minute mark.

[TrinityHFC]

Talking about this season. LJ started with 3 defeats out of 3. Two of those at home to Livi and St Mirren. The squad he’s built is lacking depth and quality in various areas. Yes NM needs a couple more wins but there’s absolutely no chance I’d agree with folk wanting him out already.

I think we’d have recovered form. I do like MM but it hasn’t been a good enough start. We’ve also gone from a decent attacking team to pretty dull which is going to be a concern for keeping crowds high in future. January is still a distance away. He’ll have to do better with what he has in the meantime or he will be under some pressure.

[WeeRussell]

Good to see the "low post count/haven't been on for ages" folk are out in force tonight

Almost as if they don't actually support Hibs

Majority grown men as well.

Quite sad. More of a buzz on a match thread when we blow a lead in the dying minutes than there is for our goals or spells of really good play.

[Paulie Walnuts]

ifs and buts, he may well go on a run where the 3 or 4 draws which should have been wins are wins

He might. He might go on one where ridiculous subs start turning draws into defeats as well.

We can only go on the evidence so far and that evidence is abysmal. If it continues until January I honestly think he’s in danger of not even getting the window.

[Clarence]

Jesus though there is a time to give a young boy a chance. That really wasn't it - which was proved by his performance and events that unfolded after the sub.

I couldn’t believe it when I saw the number 53 come up. Surely we want to keep the ball up near their box as much as possible and that is very difficult for a young lad to do.

[LaMotta]

This...the boy was just on the park and looked like he was running through treacle. I couldn't believe how slow he looked, not just against Gogic.

Was speaking to a boy on Saturday who played in the youth team with him last year. Said he was "absolutely rapid". Think tonight shows the difference in level between youth team and premiership.

He also said he didn't think he was close to being ready for first team football, which was a bit worrying.

[JimBHibees]

How about we deal with that when it happens? which of course it won’t. He has had 8 league games in charge, we have lost 1, at Ibrox.

Horror appointment, shut up eh. 😂

Anyone not seeing improvement in significant parts of that performance are choosing to see what they want.

[May21/05/216]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.100% agree

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[TrinityHFC]

Majority grown men as well.

Quite sad. More of a buzz on a match thread when we blow a lead in the dying minutes than there is for our goals or spells of really good play.

Does this include everyone who wanted Johnson sacked after what was three bad results after a 5th place last season and pretty strong last quarter? I think it is quite natural to be concerned at this point.

[Lago]

Time to leave here for the night. The nut cases are out in force already
Aren't they just can't believe some of the nonsense I'm reading

[Centre Hawf]

So subbing on Miller and Jeggo invited pressure on to us?

Subbing a shattered player off for more energy towards the end of the game is probably the most common sub in football

Bringing a 16 year old laddie up top did. I don’t blame Landers btw. But as others have said there’s a time and a place.

[Gordy M]

He might. He might go on one where ridiculous subs start turning draws into defeats.

We can only go on the evidence so far and that evidence is abysmal.
Apart from Rangers, which games do you think we should have lost since he came in? Bearing in mind he has lost only one. You know, since we have been abysmal?

[LaMotta]

Didn’t look that tired? He was grimacing chasing a ball over the top about the 70 minute mark.

He got an assist for a goal in the 69th minute. He's a pro footballer who is capable of playing 90 minutes.

[Hibs90]

He might. He might go on one where ridiculous subs start turning draws into defeats as well.

We can only go on the evidence so far and that evidence is abysmal. If it continues until January I honestly think he’s in danger of not even getting the window.


Out of curiousity what’s wee you expecting from years of poor recruitment and. An unbalanced squad created by Lee Johnson

[TrinityHFC]

Anyone not seeing improvement in significant parts of that performance are choosing to see what they want.

What are you comparing with?

[Cod Boy]

A random question here but how are Whittaker and landers allowed to promote the sponsor as 16 year old laddies

[cabbageandribs1875]

Attendance:5,963

[LaMotta]

I couldn’t believe it when I saw the number 53 come up. Surely we want to keep the ball up near their box as much as possible and that is very difficult for a young lad to do.


Bringing a 16 year old laddie up top did. I don’t blame Landers btw. But as others have said there’s a time and a place.

Imagine how Landers feels tonight? Brutal I imagine. Can't be good for his confidence.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Apart from Rangers, which games do you think we should have lost since he came in? Bearing in mind he has lost only one. You know, since we have been abysmal?

You seem to be ignoring the part about what we’re actually getting out of games as if that doesn’t matter.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Out of curiousity what’s wee you expecting from years of poor recruitment and. An unbalanced squad created by Lee Johnson

More than 1 win in 8 league games? I don’t think that’s an unreasonably high expectation.

[NAE NOOKIE]

In the end a point at St Mirren, given their form, is a good result. But once again we have drawn a game from a winning position and it's something that has to stop.

We simply have to beat Kilmarnock at the weekend, another draw or a defeat simply can't be acceptable, they haven't won away in the league all season.

[Mcbizz1998]

Why ‘of course it wont’? It already has. If he’s been (and currently is on) a run of that length of time with that amount of wins, how can anyone say of course we won’t do it again over the next 8 games?

If you don’t think a manager coming in and having the record he has is a horror appointment then crack on.

I don’t believe he will, and you fantasising about ‘what if this catastrophe happens’ doesn’t make it likely that he will.

We have played Celtic, Hearts away, Rangers at Ibrox, St Mirren away. All in his 8 game tenure (really 7 as he had been in the door minutes before the Killie game). To call it a horror appointment after that length of time when we have lost one league game, is just nonsense. We have had at least 3 games that were draws and should have been wins if Lee Johnson’s players could either finish chances or defend a lead, NM can’t be held responsible after 7 games for these players.

I fully expect to pick up wins over the next 8 games and see who we can bring in come January. He shouldn’t be properly judged until next season.

[eastterrace]

Fresh young legs that found themselves in a 3 on 2 at the half way line then chose the option of trying to go himself past old Gogic, only for old Gogic to destroy him for pace.

Id far rather half Vente in that position with an expensive and astute football brain.looked like the young lad was pulling a cart horse when trying to beat gogic for pace.

[Gordy M]

You seem to be ignoring the part about what we’re actually getting out of games as if that doesn’t matter.

Im not forgetting about anything.....you used the word abysmal, and cant even give me an example of a game we should have lost? Draws are killing us, yes, but i think we have been the better team in all league games apart from old firm. Thats not abysmal

[raeburnhibs]

He might. He might go on one where ridiculous subs start turning draws into defeats as well.

We can only go on the evidence so far and that evidence is abysmal. If it continues until January I honestly think he’s in danger of not even getting the window.

I agree the subs are strange at times; why not Boyle tonight instead of Landers. The evidence is not as clear cut in my opinion as you are suggesting; he has improved a range of players as an example and the results while poor could easily have been rather different; swap 3 draws for wins as easily could have happened. I don't think it will continue like this, get a win, confidence will grow, put this run to bed.

[JohnM1875]

He got an assist for a goal in the 69th minute. He's a pro footballer who is capable of playing 90 minutes.

Has he played many 90 minutes for us? Think SDG subbed him off at Aberdeen as well.

I’m not saying I don’t think he can play 90, but there might well be a reason why he never really seems to, and it could be a fitness thing.

[The Harp Awakes]

He's worth 700k so cannie be subbed

I do laugh sometimes though ,- I've seen Landers name being mentioned on here as could get a chance

Gets 6 mins - bringing him on blamed for us coceeding late

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I think Jeggo for Levitt was a bigger error. No problem with Jeggo coming on, but Levitt was controlling that game and finding players in space. When he went off we couldn't keep the ball and had no composure.

[JimBHibees]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.

Couldn't agree more thought we were excellent for large parts of the game. Excellent possession and control in the first half really good moves and should have been more ahead. Done by another dodgy call then recovered well to score an excellent goal. Poor last goal which really was undeserved on the balance of the game. To me huge signs that the team are going in the right direction. Good also young players getting a run. Thought Whittaker played well confident and calm on the ball. Please give the guy time to see what he can do. The lack of patience really is bizarre.

[Centre Hawf]

Imagine how Landers feels tonight? Brutal I imagine. Can't be good for his confidence.

Maybe his manager should be protecting him better? He’s a 16 year old laddie I’m not angry or upset with Landers for not contributing what Vente can, would be stupid to think he can. But this is the first team and if he isn’t ready yet he shouldn’t be brought on to see games out.

[Greenio]

Time running out for Montgomery already

By your clock perhaps

Honestly, the overreacting on here is laughable

[Dmas]

Imagine how Landers feels tonight? Brutal I imagine. Can't be good for his confidence.

We should send him and Whittaker back to the youth team so we can all get back to moaning about how wasteful building the training centre has been

[JimBHibees]

Im not forgetting about anything.....you used the word abysmal, and cant even give me an example of a game we should have lost? Draws are killing us, yes, but i think we have been the better team in all league games apart from old firm. Thats not abysmal

Absolutely spot on nowhere near abysmal.

[LaMotta]

Maybe his manager should be protecting him better? He’s a 16 year old laddie I’m not angry or upset with Landers for not contributing what Vente can, would be stupid to think he can. But this is the first team and if he isn’t ready yet he shouldn’t be brought on to see games out.

Yes that's what I'm getting at!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t believe he will, and you fantasising about ‘what if this catastrophe happens’ doesn’t make it likely that he will.

We have played Celtic, Hearts away, Rangers at Ibrox, St Mirren away. All in his 8 game tenure (really 7 as he had been in the door minutes before the Killie game). To call it a horror appointment after that length of time is just nonsense. We have had at least 3 games that were draws and should have been wins if Lee Johnson’s players could either finish chances or defend a lead, NM can’t be held responsible after 7 games for these players.

I fully expect to pick up wins over the next 8 games and see who we can bring in come January. He shouldn’t be properly judged until next season.

And you likely wouldn’t have believed we’d be where we are now when he came in either. You fantasising that things are going to get better doesn’t mean it will.

It’s been a horror appointment. We’ve won 1 league game since he came in 8 games ago. We have 1.125ppg in the league under him. We threw away a cup semi final against 10 men. Thats horrible.

[coldingham hibs]

So many sloppy passes, lack of fitness and unbelievable decision making by certain players. Landers just on the pitch and couldn’t outrun Gogic over 10 yards. This team is in a real shout of being relegated unless they get their act together.

[LaMotta]

We should send him and Whittaker back to the youth team so we can all get back to moaning about how wasteful building the training centre has been

Or maybe use them sensibly.

Whittaker did well tonight and he was used sensibly. Landers so far has not been used sensibly. Two bizarre introductions at Hampden and tonight. Give the laddie a chance at the right time.

[jakedance]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.

I agree. Either these players are no good, or LJ couldn’t get a tune out of them. Either way Montgomery has a massive job on his hands. He’s had, I think, nine games and no transfer window. He might well be a dud but it’s far too early to judge.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Im not forgetting about anything.....you used the word abysmal, and cant even give me an example of a game we should have lost? Draws are killing us, yes, but i think we have been the better team in all league games apart from old firm. Thats not abysmal

So just to be clear, you don’t think 1 win in 8 is abysmal? Keeping in mind that’s what we’ve ACTUALLY got rather than what you think we SHOULD have got?

[JimBHibees]

Didn’t look that tired? He was grimacing chasing a ball over the top about the 70 minute mark.

Looked knackered

[LaMotta]

Looked knackered

Absolute myth. He didn't look knackered at all.

If anyone looked lethargic is was Landers in his footrace with Papa Gogic.

[richard_pitts]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.

Agreed 👍 I was in the hospitality and the home support were impressed by Jair and Campbell in particular. They think we're a different animal now. I trust Nm to get more out the players

[Gordy M]

So just to be clear, you don’t think 1 win in 8 is abysmal? Keeping in mind that’s what we’ve ACTUALLY got rather than what you think we SHOULD have got?

So just to be clear you think ABYSMAL is out playing every team apart from the old firm ....? Yep results arent what we deserve imo and not great but I saw LJ lose more games in the first 2 games of the season than NM has. So looking at it on a game by game basis.....nope i dont think we have been ABYSMAL.

[WeeRussell]

Does this include everyone who wanted Johnson sacked after what was three bad results after a 5th place last season and pretty strong last quarter? I think it is quite natural to be concerned at this point.

If this ‘everyone’ were only coming on getting excited after a poor result, loss of a goal, or announcement of a team selection which gave them a sniff of a chance to spread negativity. Then yes, yes it does.

[Mcbizz1998]

And you likely wouldn’t have believed we’d be where we are now when he came in either. You fantasising that things are going to get better doesn’t mean it will.

It’s been a horror appointment. We’ve won 1 league game since he came in 8 games ago. We have 1.125ppg in the league under him. Thats horrible.

Do you understand the meaning of the word horror? I’d accept disappointing, frustrating, underwhelming, maybe even concerning.

It will be interesting to see what adjective you use if you happen to be right and he does fail to win between now and January if we are at ‘horror’ already!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Do you understand the meaning of the word horror? I’d accept disappointing, frustrating, underwhelming, maybe even concerning.

It will be interesting to see what adjective you use if you happen to be right and he does fail to win between now and January if we are at ‘horror’ already!

Horror:

An intense feeling of fear, shock, or disgust.

If in a football sense that doesn’t describe 1 win in 8 league games, throwing away a semi final to 10 men and then going down with a whimper and throwing away lead after lead than I don’t know what does.

One look at this thread whilst folk are saying **** this, **** **** ****, ****ing joke, just **** the **** off Hibs etc would tie in almost perfectly with that definition of horror. And they weren’t posts from me.

[The Spaceman]

I feel like we are a Top 4 team with 12th place game management/street smart.

[The Modfather]

Or maybe use them sensibly.

Whittaker did well tonight and he was used sensibly. Landers so far has not been used sensibly. Two bizarre introductions at Hampden and tonight. Give the laddie a chance at the right time.

Are they bizarre introductions? Two introductions in the 87th minute on Saturday and the 86th minute tonight. There’s bigger issues if a handful of minutes in a game is making or breaking a result. That’s how Whittaker was introduced, now he’s just started a game, playing 70 minutes and not looked out of place.

When we’re down to the bare bones like we are it’s the perfect opportunity to bring youngsters on for 5 or 10 minutes. I’d agree with you if we were bringing Landers on instead of Doidge or ALF, but if it’s a choice of just play tired players to the end or give a youngster a chance for 5 minutes it’s the latter for me. Whittaker is an example of the benefits of doing so IMO.

[Mcbizz1998]

Horror:

An intense feeling of fear, shock, or disgust.

If in a football sense that doesn’t describe 1 win in 8 league games, throwing away a semi final to 10 men and then going down with a whimper and throwing away lead after lead than I don’t know what does.

One look at this thread whilst folk are saying **** this, **** **** ****, ****ing joke, just **** the **** off Hibs etc would tie in almost perfectly with that definition of horror. And they weren’t posts from me.

You don’t do nuance or context, do you?

[JimBHibees]

So many sloppy passes, lack of fitness and unbelievable decision making by certain players. Landers just on the pitch and couldn’t outrun Gogic over 10 yards. This team is in a real shout of being relegated unless they get their act together.

Gogic is quick

[LaMotta]

Are they bizarre introductions? Two introductions in the 87th minute on Saturday and the 86th minute tonight. There’s bigger issues if a handful of minutes in a game is making or breaking a result. That’s how Whittaker was introduced, now he’s just started a game, playing 70 minutes and not looked out of place.

When we’re down to the bare bones like we are it’s the perfect opportunity to bring youngsters on for 5 or 10 minutes. I’d agree with you if we were bringing Landers on instead of Doidge or ALF, but if it’s a choice of just play tired players to the end or give a youngster a chance for 5 minutes it’s the latter for me. Whittaker is an example of the benefits of doing so IMO.

I mean one was a semi final of a cup when we desperately needed a goal and he was put on for his debut and the other was when we were desperately holding on to a lead after weeks without a win. The pressure in both games was absolutely huge for a 16 year old with zero experience. I would say bizarre yes.

[HH81]

We have to win Saturday, pressure is on everyone!

[Callum_62]

Horror:

An intense feeling of fear, shock, or disgust.


One look at this thread whilst folk are saying **** this, **** **** ****, ****ing joke, just **** the **** off Hibs etc would tie in almost perfectly with that definition of horror. And they weren’t posts from me.

Yep that certainly proves this thread is "horror"

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[JimBHibees]

Absolute myth. He didn't look knackered at all.

If anyone looked lethargic is was Landers in his footrace with Papa Gogic.

Bending over breathing heavily is the definition of looking knackered

[WeeRussell]

I almost miss the holy ground.

[H18 SFR]

Absolute myth. He didn't look knackered at all.

If anyone looked lethargic is was Landers in his footrace with Papa Gogic.

Landers utter lack of pace was worrying.

[Lago]

You don’t do nuance or context, do you?
He didn't want Montgomery and is still in the huff that he was appointed :greengrin

[Mcbizz1998]

He didn't want Montgomery and is still in the huff that he was appointed :greengrin

Ah, that’s gives me some much needed context then!

Makes sense.

[Spudster]

Scotland v England at Hampden a few years ago...

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Thanks for that reminder 🤢

[LaMotta]

Bending over breathing heavily is the definition of looking knackered

Nah its a sign of someone working his socks off.

[JimBHibees]

What are you comparing with?

The style of football in the main with the previous manager. Games against Motherwell and St Mirren all we did was punt the ball long. Compare and contrast the St Mirren game with tonight we dominated and controlled most of it only to be done by a poor decision and an avoidable late goal. Night and day

[JimBHibees]

Nah its a sign of someone working his socks off.

And tired which he has looked in most of his games tbh

[BoomtownHibees]

And tired which he has looked in most of his games tbh

Still would have ran quicker than Landers

[JimBHibees]

He didn't want Montgomery and is still in the huff that he was appointed :greengrin

Most adult huffs don't last as long :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Still would have ran quicker than Landers

Possibly

[LaMotta]

And tired which he has looked in most of his games tbh

How has he looked tired? This is the type of myth that just starts on here. I remember people claiming John McGinn looked tired in our play offs one season and people were wanting him rested, it was absolute nonsense.

Vente rarely if ever gives the ball away no matter what minute of the game it is. Contrast that with Youan who switches off constantly and often gives the ball away. I know who Id rather have on the pitch if trying to see out a win.

[ancient hibee]

We failed to beat a team that has lost two league games so far. Not exactly a horror show is it?

[Stuart93]

We failed to beat a team that has lost two league games so far. Not exactly a horror show is it?

I don’t think anyones complaining about that game in isolation. More so our inability to see games out from winning positions in the last quarter of games

[007]

Nah its a sign of someone working his socks off.

He was knackered because he'd worked his socks off.

[TrinityHFC]

The style of football in the main with the previous manager. Games against Motherwell and St Mirren all we did was punt the ball long. Compare and contrast the St Mirren game with tonight we dominated and controlled most of it only to be done by a poor decision and an avoidable late goal. Night and day

The style is different. So far it isn’t proving to be better. Probably the best football we’ve played this year were Aberdeen away and the Lucerne games.

I don’t mind passing the ball well. If it is is quick and positive enough it is great but if we compare to a bigger sample size of last season we are nowhere near seeing the type of attacking displays from Youan and Boyle in particular. We were creating nearer 15 to 20 shots per game. Now we have to rely on taking one of two of the handful of chances we get.

Game management is important too. We were meant to be improving our management team and that’s not obvious yet. Seems we’re largely accepting we are part of someone learning the basics.

[ancient hibee]

I don’t think anyones complaining about that game in isolation. More so our inability to see games out from winning positions in the last quarter of games

Well they’re wrong. Every game is a game in isolation. What happens in one game seldom impacts on another game. Similarly just because you win three games in a row doesn’ t mean you should win a fourth. That’s three games we’ve failed to win from a winning position (one of which came when he’d hardly met the players)as against two that we drew but could have lost. I’m pretty sure that we would have lost them all with the scatter gun way we were playing last season.

[TrinityHFC]

Well they’re wrong. Every game is a game in isolation. What happens in one game seldom impacts on another game. Similarly just because you win three games in a row doesn’ t mean you should win a fourth. That’s three games we’ve failed to win from a winning position (one of which came when he’d hardly met the players)as against two that we drew but could have lost. I’m pretty sure that we would have lost them all with the scatter gun way we were playing last season.
Not sure that makes sense. Confidence and momentum are big things in form and getting results. We were, overall, challenging for third last year up to the last couple of games. I’m not seeing how anyone can suggest we’ve improved from that.

[LaMotta]

He was knackered because he'd worked his socks off.

So let him work his socks off for an extra 9 minutes. Then he can be knackered at the end of the game, and we more than likely come away with three points.

[TrinityHFC]

So let him work his socks off for an extra 9 minutes. Then he can be knackered at the end of the game, and we more than likely come away with three points.

I suspect if Monty was manager for the 2016 cup final he would have had Stokes and Gray off for the last 15 mins. 😁

[JimBHibees]

The style is different. So far it isn’t proving to be better. Probably the best football we’ve played this year were Aberdeen away and the Lucerne games.

I don’t mind passing the ball well. If it is is quick and positive enough it is great but if we compare to a bigger sample size of last season we are nowhere near seeing the type of attacking displays from Youan and Boyle in particular. We were creating nearer 15 to 20 shots per game. Now we have to rely on taking one of two of the handful of chances we get.

Game management is important too. We were meant to be improving our management team and that’s not obvious yet. Seems we’re largely accepting we are part of someone learning the basics.

All true I just find it much more watchable than Johnsons style for example. Some of the moves first half and on Saturday were excellent play.

[LunasBoots]

I don’t think anyones complaining about that game in isolation. More so our inability to see games out from winning positions in the last quarter of games

Correct, it's not a new thing, I'm sure Monty is aware of the obvious problem and is trying to fix it but it can't be easy if multiple managers have had the same problem, going to take time.

[JimBHibees]

How has he looked tired? This is the type of myth that just starts on here. I remember people claiming John McGinn looked tired in our play offs one season and people were wanting him rested, it was absolute nonsense.

Vente rarely if ever gives the ball away no matter what minute of the game it is. Contrast that with Youan who switches off constantly and often gives the ball away. I know who Id rather have on the pitch if trying to see out a win.

The manager has said in previous games he has been tired. The Derby game at Tynecastle he was clearly physically exhausted the last 15

[LaMotta]

I suspect if Monty was manager for the 2016 cup final he would have had Stokes and Gray off for the last 15 mins. 😁

:tee hee: As funny as this is, I honestly think its mad that people think a striker can't last 90 minutes and has to be subbed.

[LaMotta]

The manager has said in previous games he has been tired. The Derby game at Tynecastle he was clearly physically exhausted the last 15

So why did the manager play him for the full 90 in that game? None of this is really making sense.

[Mrimbetween]

Brutal end to the game

I had that sinking feeling, so decided to torture myself and check the result later. In the hope it was 3 points. Silly me

[007]

So why did the manager play him for the full 90 in that game? None of this is really making sense.

You seem to think a player should never be substituted due to tiredness so I'm not surprised you're struggling to understand any of it.

[He's here!]

We failed to beat a team that has lost two league games so far. Not exactly a horror show is it?

I was pleasantly surprised by how well we played after such a disappointing result at Hampden. I'd have happily taken a draw beforehand as I was fully expecting a defeat. I actually thought we deserved to win so I'm not sure where Robinson is getting his 'we dominated the game' guff from.

Well done Hibs. Always happy for them to prove me wrong. If we can follow up with a win over Killie things will look a lot brighter. It'll be a tough game again tho.

[Tambo]

This inconsistent results is killing us, a few minutes away from a good 3 points.

Saturday better be the start of a good run of wins.

[flash]

I was pleasantly surprised by how well we played after such a disappointing result at Hampden. I'd have happily taken a draw beforehand as I was fully expecting a defeat. I actually thought we deserved to win so I'm not sure where Robinson is getting his 'we dominated the game' guff from.

Well done Hibs. Always happy for them to prove me wrong. If we can follow up with a win over Killie things will look a lot brighter. It'll be a tough game again tho.

I think it's all down to the way we didn't win if that makes sense.

We clearly have a soft centre that badly needs addressing at the first possible opportunity.

Having said that we are playing some really good stuff at times, certain players have improved beyond recognition and we have had no luck with injuries not to mention decisions.

I still have a good feeling about the way we are heading and really hope we can get a win on Saturday to calm things down a bit.

[Donegal Hibby]

Out of curiousity what’s wee you expecting from years of poor recruitment and. An unbalanced squad created by Lee Johnson

The squad is lot better now than the one LJ took over and I fail to see how the St mirren result has anything to do with him , didn't hear any praise going his way when we had a couple of decent results either .

LJ's doing fairly decent at a club that was absolutely struggling with i think 5 wins , 3 draws and 4 defeats ( one penalty shootout loss). 20 goals for, 19 against.

Monty has I think 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats, 14:goals for , 15 against.

Monty needs time and a couple of transfer windows to add some players though the worrying thing is we have a manager that only knows how to play one way wither it's working or not .

Wither our results are good or bad they have nothing to do with previous managers now , trying to blame them on one is only looking for an excuse for the current manager imo . Hopefully we can get a much needed win soon though 👍

[Kato]

I was pleasantly surprised by how well we played after such a disappointing result at Hampden. I'd have happily taken a draw beforehand as I was fully expecting a defeat. I actually thought we deserved to win so I'm not sure where Robinson is getting his 'we dominated the game' guff from.

Well done Hibs. Always happy for them to prove me wrong. If we can follow up with a win over Killie things will look a lot brighter. It'll be a tough game again tho.Agree with all that

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[SickBoy32]

Still paying the price for shocking recruitment under Ian Gordon's watch.

Have recruited better after McDermott came in but there is no depth. None. Results will continue like this until Montgomery gets a couple of transfer windows. Results may get even worse if we suffer more injuries between now and the end of the year.

I'm happy to judge Montgomery once he gets more of his own players in. We are not going to morph into a good side with the same players Johnson had.

Correct, we must be paying a not insignificant % of our budget to players who aren't contributing at all / loaned out.

End result is zero depth.

Happy to give the manager a chance to offload some of the ***** in January and begin to improve us.

Would suggest recalling Megwa from Airdrie too, rather than continuing to play less experienced 16 year olds.

[SickBoy32]

Time running out for Montgomery already

Haha still greeting about fat hole Johnson I see - he's a big reason we're in this mess

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnsons fault :faf:

[Heisenberg]

Lee Johnsons fault :faf:

Nick Montgomery needs the chance to sign players. Lee Johnson had signed about 10 players in his first summer window and you were still making plenty excuses for him when we’d been scudded again by Hearts or on another run of consecutive defeats while playing every different formation and lineup available.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nick Montgomery needs the chance to sign players. Lee Johnson had signed about 10 players in his first summer window and you were still making plenty excuses for him when we’d been scudded again by Hearts or on another run of consecutive defeats while playing every different formation and lineup available.

Of course he does I never once he shouldn't get the chance to sign players , all new manager do imo ! . The First transfer window LJ had was a disaster which the club admitted too The recruitment before LJ was also bad imo .

I never made excuses for him , I defended him and wanted to see him get time to turn things around because of the mess we were in which I will Monty too even though I don't think things are has bad as when LJ took over .

LJ probably did play to many formations in trying to save job when going on a run of defeats though we are now on another run that's , what 7 or 8 games now without a win now ? .

Ross county game our substitutions cost us , Sevco game at Ibrox we treated like playing st johnstone . Killie , hertz and st mirren our Midfield is at times getting over run and far to many crosses are going into our box which is partially down to the way we play and the only way we are willing to play under Monty .

Blaming our previous manager our current results is actually pathetic imo .

[blackpoolhibs]

:tee hee: As funny as this is, I honestly think its mad that people think a striker can't last 90 minutes and has to be subbed.

Especially when there are 2 of them now, not a lone striker doing it all on his tod.:agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

I think under Monty we are a better side with the ball, we control games more and have a better grip on games than under previous managers.

I also think he undoes all that with some baffling substitutions, and refusal to change the system late in games to see them out.

As long as he's learning though.

[ancient hibee]

We are playing with plenty of confidence and a lot of skill going forward but are being let down by individual players making stupid mistakes. In the semi it was the midfield foul up that led to the goal and last night a totally nonsensical penalty by Obita tugging back a guy whose run was taking him nowhere near the ball.Cut these out and we’ll be fine.

[JimBHibees]

So why did the manager play him for the full 90 in that game? None of this is really making sense.

Don’t think we were able to sub him due to Marshall injury

[Partyraiser]

Of course he does I never once he shouldn't get the chance to sign players , all new manager do imo ! . The First transfer window LJ had was a disaster which the club admitted too The recruitment before LJ was also bad imo .

I never made excuses for him , I defended him and wanted to see him get time to turn things around because of the mess we were in which I will Monty too even though I don't think things are has bad as when LJ took over .

LJ probably did play to many formations in trying to save job when going on a run of defeats though we are now on another run that's , what 7 or 8 games now without a win now ? .

Ross county game our substitutions cost us , Sevco game at Ibrox we treated like playing st johnstone . Killie , hertz and st mirren our Midfield is at times getting over run and far to many crosses are going into our box which is partially down to the way we play and the only way we are willing to play under Monty .

Blaming our previous manager our current results is actually pathetic imo .

Absolving the previous manager of any blame when the current manager is trying to make the best of the pish he's been left with is more pathetic imo

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolving the previous manager of any blame when the current manager is trying to make the best of the pish he's been left with is more pathetic imo

Who are these pish players LJ left Monty with btw ?

[007]

Robinson talks some s***e in his post match interviews. He's saying we cleared 2 or 3 off the line and Marshall made some good saves. They had 4 shots on target, 2 were goals and I remember a relatively soft shot from outside the box straight at Marshall so was a comfortable catch. That leaves one other, which I can't rembember. As for dominating large parts of the game (or large large parts, as he put it in another interview), that's just nonsense. He did a similar interview after we put them out of the cup.

https://youtu.be/JB_mUdVdSsk?si=yBFVe4Eai3fFqkW3

[eastterrace]

Robinson talks some s***e in his post match interviews. He's saying we cleared 2 or 3 off the line and Marshall made some good saves. They had 4 shots on target, 2 were goals and I remember a relatively soft shot from outside the box straight at Marshall so was a comfortable catch. That leaves one other, which I can't rembember. As for dominating large parts of the game (or large large parts, as he put it in another interview), that's just nonsense. He did a similar interview after we put them out of the cup.

https://youtu.be/JB_mUdVdSsk?si=yBFVe4Eai3fFqkW3
Wait till he gets the hearts job then he will start talking even more crap.

[Partyraiser]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7506888]Who are these pish players LJ left Monty

If you think the squad left by LJ, put together over 3 windows, is good enough then fair play. You're entitled to your own opinion. However, given LJ couldn't get a point out his 1st 3 fixtures with said squad that's now languishing mid table, I think the evidence suggests its pish and much of the blame for our current situation remains at LJs door

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7506888]Who are these pish players LJ left Monty

If you think the squad left by LJ, put together over 3 windows, is good enough then fair play. You're entitled to your own opinion. However, given LJ couldn't get a point out his 1st 3 fixtures with said squad that's now languishing mid table, I think the evidence suggests its pish and much of the blame for our current situation remains at LJs door

Again what players are pish ?

[Partyraiser]

[QUOTE=Partyraiser;7506944]

Again what players are pish ?

I havent said any individuals are pish. I said monty has been left to deal with the pish he's been left with. The squad as a whole is not good enough, it's pish. Thats why we're sitting 8th on 12 points after 12 games having conceded 20 goals. But I'm glad you think differently and that it is good enough, despite the evidence to suggest otherwise :thumbsup: Variety is the spice of life

[nickwhibs]

I think under Monty we are a better side with the ball, we control games more and have a better grip on games than under previous managers.

I also think he undoes all that with some baffling substitutions, and refusal to change the system late in games to see them out.

As long as he's learning though.

That’s how I see it too. He’s actually succeeding at the harder part and failing (so far) at the easier part (subs / end of game management)

[JimBHibees]

Robinson talks some s***e in his post match interviews. He's saying we cleared 2 or 3 off the line and Marshall made some good saves. They had 4 shots on target, 2 were goals and I remember a relatively soft shot from outside the box straight at Marshall so was a comfortable catch. That leaves one other, which I can't rembember. As for dominating large parts of the game (or large large parts, as he put it in another interview), that's just nonsense. He did a similar interview after we put them out of the cup.

https://youtu.be/JB_mUdVdSsk?si=yBFVe4Eai3fFqkW3

Yep thoroughly deserved a point was another nonsense line. Dominated the game and one of their best performances of the season. Wow. Parallel universe

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7506948]

I havent said any individuals are pish. I said monty has been left to deal with the pish he's been left with. The squad as a whole is not good enough, it's pish. Thats why we're sitting 8th on 12 points after 12 games having conceded 20 goals. But I'm glad you think differently and that it is good enough, despite the evidence to suggest otherwise :thumbsup: Variety is the spice of life

If the squad as a whole isn't good enough than the players we have mustn't be good enough either though nobody for some reason can name any :confused: .

I think in general our squad is pretty good though could do with possibly another 3 players added , Midfield being the priority as it's regularly getting over run by teams which could be because we normally only play with two midfielders now in Montys system that we use every week no matter who we are playing , also could be a factor in our results too as well as the ex manager and squads fault! .

If you offered me the chance to swap squads with Dundee , St mirren , Motherwell or hertz I wouldn't want too . Ours is better imo though most of these are ahead of us now in the table . Maybe you would 🤔 each to there own opinions though 👍

[HarpOnHibee]

If you offered me the chance to swap squads with Dundee , St mirren , Motherwell or hertz I wouldn't want too . Ours is better imo though most of these are ahead of us now in the table . Maybe you would �� each to there own opinions though ��

I would swap the training squad.

[Wheat Hound]

Aberdeen beating PAOK in Greece....perhaps puts our semi final performance in some further perspective; they are no mugs at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aberdeen beating PAOK in Greece....perhaps puts our semi final performance in some further perspective; they are no mugs at all.

They are mugs, they will lose tonight.

[Since90+2]

Aberdeen are actually playing pretty well in a very difficult venue.

[WeeRussell]

Aberdeen are actually playing pretty well in a very difficult venue.

Really tough game for them. I don’t think they will, but if they come away with anything from it they’ll deserve credit.

[green day]

Aberdeen are actually playing pretty well in a very difficult venue.

They are lucky not to be about 3 down......

[Since90+2]

They are lucky not to be about 3 down......

You make your own luck to a certain extent. They also done quite well in Frankfurt, a team miles above our level.

Overall, they've not done too badly in the Conference league.

[Liberal Hibby]

I’m hoping it’s just frustration at a last gasp equaliser tonight. Otherwise a good number of posters appear to have unrealistic expectations based on the tools Montgomery had to work with.

I thought we were very good tonight, against an organised and efficient St Mirren side deservedly flying in the league.

What subs would folk have made differently? Boyle clearly wasn’t a viable option despite being on the bench. We brought Milker on after a promising 70 minutes by Whittaker who didn’t look out of place. Jeff’s on 83 minutes to try and see the game out and Landers on 86 minutes purely for fresh legs as the only striker on the bench. Who out of Hanlon, Stevenson, Delfierre or Rudi would folk have brought on instead?

Far from tonight being more evidence time is running out for Montgomery I thought it was another clear step forward. We’re down to the bare bones, yet look organised, clear to see what the team is trying to do, competitive, but not ruthless enough hence the multitude of draws, all while actually giving youth a chance. I’m really positive what a Montgomery team looks like despite it being done so with a Johnson squad.

Well said :applause:

[007]

Well said :applause:

Ditto

[blackpoolhibs]

They are mugs, they will lose tonight.


:lips seal

[Mcbizz1998]

And you likely wouldn’t have believed we’d be where we are now when he came in either. You fantasising that things are going to get better doesn’t mean it will.

It’s been a horror appointment. We’ve won 1 league game since he came in 8 games ago. We have 1.125ppg in the league under him. We threw away a cup semi final against 10 men. Thats horrible.

Well!!? Are you still horrified?

(Only a joke before anyone gets upset!) 😁

[PatHead]

What are our averages now?

[B.H.F.C]

What are our averages now?

Montgomery has 18 points from 11 games, a PPG of 1.636.

Over the course of a season that would give you 62 points, which without checking, would have you in with a shout of third most seasons.

[PatHead]

Montgomery has 18 points from 11 games, a PPG of 1.636.

Over the course of a season that would give you 62 points, which without checking, would have you in with a shout of third most seasons.

Thanks. Big improvement but I daresay we will have some wobbly periods. Let's just enjoy it while it lasts.