Sportscene 22/23

[Paulie Walnuts]

Which is why I find it unwatchable. I'm starting to find football itself unwatchable to be honest.

The rule needs changed to benefit the attacker. If the two lines drawn are in contact with each other it shouldn’t be offside. Alternatively, I’d love it to be that if any part of the player is onside then it’s onside. Even if they’ve got a leg a couple of yards offside.

[BILLYHIBS]

I thought Richard Foster was fair last night he said the Killie penalty was never a pen

Michael Stewart is now showing his true colours

VAR in Scotland has become a joke

[wookie70]

Both decisions were correct. I agree. On what was shown on the replays we say both were correct. Worse still neither really took much thinking about either. Melkerson is a tiny wee bit offside and you can see that the second you look at the lines. Cabraja is slow and lazy and allows the player to get in between him and the ball. Clever from the attacker and stupid by the defender.

The big issue is we are seeing very similar incidents(St Mirren) not resulting in the same decision. There is also a suggestion that The Rangers are yet again getting the benefit of the doubt on all the decisions, no surprise there. The other problem is players are so routinely used to cheating(grabbing shirts etc in the box) that we may end up with a couple of penalties a game. That is especially true as we will start, if we haven't already, seeing player play the ball off defenders arms in the box.

I was in favour of VAR as, at the least I thought it would prove or dispel the thought refs were corrupt. I also thought it would result in more correct decisions. There is a bit of that happening but the time taken to make decisions and the events they are choosing not to review means it has made football worse. I think we stick with it for the season and see if it improves. If it doesn't then footfall may make the decision for the authorities

[matty_f]

I agree. On what was shown on the replays we say both were correct. Worse still neither really took much thinking about either. Melkerson is a tiny wee bit offside and you can see that the second you look at the lines. Cabraja is slow and lazy and allows the player to get in between him and the ball. Clever from the attacker and stupid by the defender.

The big issue is we are seeing very similar incidents(St Mirren) not resulting in the same decision. There is also a suggestion that The Rangers are yet again getting the benefit of the doubt on all the decisions, no surprise there. The other problem is players are so routinely used to cheating(grabbing shirts etc in the box) that we may end up with a couple of penalties a game. That is especially true as we will start, if we haven't already, seeing player play the ball off defenders arms in the box.

I was in favour of VAR as, at the least I thought it would prove or dispel the thought refs were corrupt. I also thought it would result in more correct decisions. There is a bit of that happening but the time taken to make decisions and the events they are choosing not to review means it has made football worse. I think we stick with it for the season and see if it improves. If it doesn't then footfall may make the decision for the authorities

Someone tweeted the longbangers Twitter account with a screenshot of the guidance on how var is used for offsides. If the lines touch or overlap, the player should be considered onside. That’s the case in this instance.

Additionally, Melkersen’s knee (the furthest forward point in his body and presumably where his line should be taken from) stops on the blue line for the defender, so unless he has an unnatural big kneecap, he’s also onside on that measure.

Totally agree on the consistency part, if we’d been refereed to the same standards as Rangers, that’s not a penalty.

I’ve been trying my best not to make VAR a big talking point on Longbangers, but it’s almost impossible to ignore it and to not talk about these decisions. VAR shouldn’t be the talking point in the vast majority of games but it’s all we’re hearing now and it’s highlighting the ineptitude of our referees. They need to be made full time, no point in spending money in VAR only to have it run by folk who can’t do it properly.

[Callum_62]

I thought Richard Foster was fair last night he said the Killie penalty was never a pen

Michael Stewart is now showing his true colours

VAR in Scotland has become a jokeMikey strewart also said the killie pen was a ridiculous decision

How anyone can think its a foul is beyond me

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[McGruber]

Both decisions were correct.

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

[BILLYHIBS]

Mikey strewart also said the killie pen was a ridiculous decision

How anyone can think its a foul is beyond me

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Yip both pundits said never a pen and as we all know Michael Stewart is never wrong

[OldEast]

The rule needs changed to benefit the attacker. If the two lines drawn are in contact with each other it shouldn’t be offside. Alternatively, I’d love it to be that if any part of the player is onside then it’s onside. Even if they’ve got a leg a couple of yards offside.

I've been saying this since long before VAR. The rule needs changed to favour the attacker. Like you I'd like to see if any part of the attacker is onside...it's onside.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Stewart was saying before half time on Saturday how wonderful hearts are and how they will put pressure on rangers. Queue the second half where they seemed to struggle and were lucky to not end up with a few sending offs and a late, late leveller

Ever since he made that apology to the rangers he seems a lot more compliant

[Sioux]

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

The contact issue is a major problem as you rightly say. The view that contact entitles a player to go down has been peddled by so many TV pundits, and column writers in the press, that it has now been accepted as fact. Especially when it concerns a penalty, a player has in fact been fouled if an opposition player has come into contact with him. Nothing is said when that contact is instigated by the player who has been 'fouled'.

All refs are guilty in this, therefore you'd think the policy makers are to blame for ensuring a hard line is taken.

[bigwheel]

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

Good balanced view this - referees and VAR getting it wrong

[OldEast]

The contact issue is a major problem as you rightly say. The view that contact entitles a player to go down has been peddled by so many TV pundits, and column writers in the press, that it has now been accepted as fact. Especially when it concerns a penalty, a player has in fact been fouled if an opposition player has come into contact with him. Nothing is said when that contact is instigated by the player who has been 'fouled'.

All refs are guilty in this, therefore you'd think the policy makers are to blame for ensuring a hard line is taken.

It's a cheats charter isn't it? Supported by managers and pundits.

[ancient hibee]

Good balanced view this - referees and VAR getting it wrong

Don't agree. VAR shows what happened. Administrators are the same incompetent referees and it's their interpretation of what they see that is at fault just as it is when they're on the park.The time they take to come to a decision is ludicrous. The mechanics of the system operation are mostly fine.

[Lago]

Don't agree. VAR shows what happened. Administrators are the same incompetent referees and it's their interpretation of what they see that is at fault just as it is when they're on the park.The time they take to come to a decision is ludicrous. The mechanics of the system operation are mostly fine.
The mechanics maybe fine but var is taking all the spontaneity out of football.

[degenerated]

Someone tweeted the longbangers Twitter account with a screenshot of the guidance on how var is used for offsides. If the lines touch or overlap, the player should be considered onside. That’s the case in this instance.

Additionally, Melkersen’s knee (the furthest forward point in his body and presumably where his line should be taken from) stops on the blue line for the defender, so unless he has an unnatural big kneecap, he’s also onside on that measure.

Totally agree on the consistency part, if we’d been refereed to the same standards as Rangers, that’s not a penalty.

I’ve been trying my best not to make VAR a big talking point on Longbangers, but it’s almost impossible to ignore it and to not talk about these decisions. VAR shouldn’t be the talking point in the vast majority of games but it’s all we’re hearing now and it’s highlighting the ineptitude of our referees. They need to be made full time, no point in spending money in VAR only to have it run by folk who can’t do it properly.When was the last time we had a consistent, competent and capable referee in Scotland?

Something is clearly fundamentally wrong with a system that churns out so many bad referees and surely the person in charge of that should be relieved of their duties.

I get that they are part time but that doesn't excuse the amateur performances we have to put up with from them.

[JimBHibees]

When was the last time we had a consistent, competent and capable referee in Scotland?

Something is clearly fundamentally wrong with a system that churns out so many bad referees and surely the person in charge of that should be relieved of their duties.

I get that they are part time but that doesn't excuse the amateur performances we have to put up with from them.

Always thought Calum Murray was good pretty fair and didn't want to be the star of the show. Madden was pretty good and you could tell he had a decent rapport with the players however did think he let too much go on the fouling front. Now in England wonder what the story was behind that. Assume there are no Scottish refs in Qatar.

[JimBHibees]

Any footage of the Cochrane challenge?

[Callum_62]

Any footage of the Cochrane challenge?https://twitter.com/DaveBlackLFC/status/1591514581176049665?t=80-4o3cY79xPr4_acg1D7g&s=19

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[Sir David Gray]

https://twitter.com/DaveBlackLFC/status/1591514581176049665?t=80-4o3cY79xPr4_acg1D7g&s=19

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Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

[greenlex]

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

After about 5 mins looking at it I might add.

[Smartie]

Nah, no chance.

That's the VAR mindset. Contact - yes - penalty. There can be contact without it being a penalty, it's a contact sport.

Does the killie boy get in between Cabraja and the ball, yes. Do legs come together yes. That's all they need to vindicate their toy.

Was it a penalty? Do me a favour. No trip, not brought down, no intent, no goalscoring chance, no foul. Just minimal contact.. killie player looking to buy one with pathetic bunny hop to the deck.. replays show contact - penalty. Predictable and pish. If that is a pen the game is done.

Wonder who will be next for a VAR straight red and how it compares to Cochrane at Hearts v Livi. Bar set there for what does and doesn't merit a straight red. In at force, studs up high on ankle, leg breaker - VAR decision throw in. Cabraja and Killie player touch socks - VAR penalty.

Thought VAR would be crap up here, it's been even worse than I thought. Our officials are just shocking, bottom line

Good post.

In the interests of balance I think it's reasonable to point out that there can also be no contact and for it to be a penalty.

If anything, I wonder if the Killie player should be applauded for spotting an opportunity to create something significant out of a totally innocuous situation? And Cabraja criticised for not being more aware in the current climate?

Not sure if it's happening but Hibs should be actively working out how to take advantage and not be penalised by the current VAR farce.

I maintain that VAR can be a force for good but it needs to be implemented much, much better than it is currently. The beautiful game this is not.

[Smartie]

Always thought Calum Murray was good pretty fair and didn't want to be the star of the show. Madden was pretty good and you could tell he had a decent rapport with the players however did think he let too much go on the fouling front. Now in England wonder what the story was behind that. Assume there are no Scottish refs in Qatar.

The guy that Neil Lennon hounded out leading to the strike was decent.

Can't remember his name.

I used to like Kenny Clark and Willie Young. Clark was overly fussy but consistent so you'd get the game refereed in the same way for both sides. Willie Young was similar only he'd let everything go. Consistent and fair to both teams though.

[basehibby]

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

That is just incredible - Cabraja touches socks and it's a pen while THIS goes unpunished?!?

I mean what the actual ****!

Game DESTROYED while this kind of nonsense stands.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Am I missing something here? Lack of awareness and stone wall penalty for me.

[degenerated]

The guy that Neil Lennon hounded out leading to the strike was decent.

Can't remember his name.

I used to like Kenny Clark and Willie Young. Clark was overly fussy but consistent so you'd get the game refereed in the same way for both sides. Willie Young was similar only he'd let everything go. Consistent and fair to both teams though.We're going back over a decade with some of these names. Look at the absolute tumshies that have replaced them, and it's hard not to conclude that something is wrong.

[brog]

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

That is unbelievable!! When you compare that with Porto's red at Ibrox it's much much worse. Our refs are atrociously incompetent!

[plhibs]

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

Anyone think that RP would have got away with that, not a chance.

[JimBHibees]

After about 5 mins looking at it I might add.

Apparently var ref was Beaton who after reviewing for ages didn't send the ref to the screen. Always thought Beaton had a bit of a liking for the pink ones. This decision only reinforces that. Corrupt simple as. Cochrane should be getting done for that. Leg breaker challenge

[JimBHibees]

Anyone think that RP would have got away with that, not a chance.

No Hibs player would have got away with that imo

[CentreLine]

Throw in to Hearts. :faf:

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

[Aldo]

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…

This is my first viewing of this incident and VAR indicate no foul or card for Cochrane and a throw in to Hearts. The games a bogey.

The ref should be sending Cochrane off for that challenge! There’s no need for VAR!

Incredible and it’s true it doesn’t matter about VAR we still have the same ****ing idiot officials making the same idiotic mistakes.

I agree that if that had been a Hibs player that’s a straight red and VAR would back it up


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[gbhibby]

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…
Agree a straight red all day long.Hearts games must have a different rule book.

[where'stheslope]

Straight red card in my opinion. Clearly the VAR person didn’t see it that way. VAR can’t award free kicks, on this occasion it was there to check if it should have been a red card. I’m not sure what planet he’s on but having decided it’s not a red the VAR official can’t change anything else in that incident. So it’s no foul and a throw to hahahahearts.
On the other hand, if that had been Ryan…
If I heard right, it's down to the camera option that is shown on screen, so not necessarily the footage we see????

[BILLYHIBS]

Brilliant show tonight lots of fantastic goals penalties great games and talking points

Well worth a watch on catch up

[BILLYHIBS]

Brilliant show tonight lots of fantastic goals penalties great games and talking points

Well worth a watch on catch up
HIBS on now

Last as usual

[Davy Mac]

Bombscare of a programme, so it is.

[wookie70]

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

[Davy Mac]

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

But Shankland is a hero with Sportscene, it was worse than Porto's yet he was accused of all sorts but Shankland was clever.

Rancid presenters.

[Del Boy]

Is the challenge Gordon made when he got injured not a red card offence. Two feet off the ground and completely out of control. So soft the penalty Hearts did get and something we really need to be mindful of.

Yeah Gordon goes in dangerously, should have been a penalty and a red. How’s without saying I hope he makes a full recovery.

Shankland dives for their penalty. Can’t believe Neilson was on the radio moaning about refereeing decisions, they got all the big ones their way ffs

[BILLYHIBS]

Richard Foster spreading the Christmas spirit :greengrin

[wookie70]

Yeah Gordon goes in dangerously, should have been a penalty and a red. How’s without saying I hope he makes a full recovery.

Shankland dives for their penalty. Can’t believe Neilson was on the radio moaning about refereeing decisions, they got all the big ones their way ffs

That is exactly how I saw it. Jason Holt will be looking at that and wondering how he gets a red and Gordon's challenge isn't even a foul

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

What diving ******* Shankland is 😡 I'm sure he'll be at it against us,prick 💩

[Eyrie]

Didn't think Holt was a red card live and having seen the TV footage it's still a yellow in my view for being reckless rather than dangerous.

Although Stewart thinks that nothing should have been given as Holt didn't see Nisbet and Nisbet should've jumped!

[wookie70]

The penalty against Newell was never a penalty. VAR really hasn't done us any favours. No second look at the potential stamp on Campbell either

[Eyrie]

The penalty against Newell was never a penalty. VAR really hasn't done us any favours. No second look at the potential stamp on Campbell either

They omitted that, which looked clear enough from the West Upper, and also left out our two offside goals. I wanted to see if Nisbet needed to touch the ball for the first.

[Golden Bear]

Didn't think Holt was a red card live and having seen the TV footage it's still a yellow in my view for being reckless rather than dangerous.

Although Stewart thinks that nothing should have been given as Holt didn't see Nisbet and Nisbet should've jumped!

The reaction of the Ref, the Hibs players in the immediate vicinity and then VAR suggests to me that a red card was the correct decision.

[hibsbollah]

The reaction of the Ref, the Hibs players in the immediate vicinity and then VAR suggests to me that a red card was the correct decision.

To be fair, the Hibs player in the vicinity was Porto. We all know he’s prone to acting to influence refs. And if he was an opposition player I would have found his reaction annoying as ****. I love him when he’s doing the business for us but that’s the truth. I’d never use any players reaction to guide me as to what’s just taken place, far less Porto’s :greengrin .

[007]

Foster and Michael Stewart were both at it, saying Holt didn't deserve a red and blamed Nisbet for not jumping over the tackle. There was a clear intentional upward movement of Holt's foot, deliberately trying to leave one on Nisbet. Red fully deserved.

[brog]

I really don't think Holt's was a red. He won the ball cleanly and if Nisbet hadn't come in from his blind side it would have been ok. For commentators to suggest Nisbet could have avoided it however is ludicrous. I would have been extremely upset for a Hibs player to be red carded for that. Having said that Jason Holt is a nasty and cowardly prick who has lived on the edge for ever so there's a certain amount of karma here.

[Kato]

and blamed Nisbet for not jumping over the tackle..

Horrendous attitude towards Nisbet that. Trolling.

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[greenlex]

Foster and Michael Stewart were both at it, saying Holt didn't deserve a red and blamed Nisbet for not jumping over the tackle. There was a clear intentional upward movement of Holt's foot, deliberately trying to leave one on Nisbet. Red fully deserved.
The upward movement was after he had played the ball. Deliberately playing the man. He knew what he was doing all right. Ref and VAR called it right.

[BILLYHIBS]

The upward movement was after he had played the ball. Deliberately playing the man. He knew what he was doing all right. Ref and VAR called it right.
:agree:

[Argylehibby]

Foster and Michael Stewart were both at it, saying Holt didn't deserve a red and blamed Nisbet for not jumping over the tackle. There was a clear intentional upward movement of Holt's foot, deliberately trying to leave one on Nisbet. Red fully deserved.

:agree: Exactly that and ignored by the so called experts.

[Donegal Hibby]

The upward movement was after he had played the ball. Deliberately playing the man. He knew what he was doing all right. Ref and VAR called it right.
Totally agree , knew what he was doing studs up , went for Nisbet , dangerous play and deserved redcard.

[Brightside]

:agree: Exactly that and ignored by the so called experts.

The experts were right.

[Bishop Hibee]

The upward movement was after he had played the ball. Deliberately playing the man. He knew what he was doing all right. Ref and VAR called it right.

That’s how I saw it as did VAR.

[BILLYHIBS]

The experts were right.

The reaction of the Hibs players and opposition players especially Porto who was closer than the so called experts to the incident told me it was a red

Saying that Jason Holt hopefully hung around furtively hoping VAR would reduce it to a yellow but the replay showed everything there was to see to the experts that really matter in the VAR Control Room

Straight red he lifts his foot and follows through

Hearts bassa :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Hearts penalty in the last minute wtaf never in a million years and on radio Weirdo Neilson is giving it how hard done to they are. They get way more decisions than anyone non Old firm.

[RyeSloan]

Hearts penalty in the last minute wtaf never in a million years and on radio Weirdo Neilson is giving it how hard done to they are. They get way more decisions than anyone non Old firm.

Shocking decision. OK there was a bit of contact but he clearly just dives to the ground!

As for Gordon..he is literally dive bombing into the challenge. Shocking injury but it was a shocker of an attempt to get to the ball first. So what if he does when he’s doing so in such a reckless and dangerous manner.

[BILLYHIBS]

Hearts penalty in the last minute wtaf never in a million years and on radio Weirdo Neilson is giving it how hard done to they are. They get way more decisions than anyone non Old firm.
Eight Hearts penalties this season Nine if you include Europe

[JohnM1875]

I was screaming for a red at the time, but seeing it back don't think it's a red and if they appeal it they'll win the appeal.

[Kato]

Shocking decision. OK there was a bit of contact but he clearly just dives to the ground!

As for Gordon..he is literally dive bombing into the challenge. Shocking injury but it was a shocker of an attempt to get to the ball first. So what if he does when he’s doing so in such a reckless and dangerous manner.A split second either way and it's Fletchers career over.

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[Alex Trager]

A split second either way and it's Fletchers career over.

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It went the other way and it’s Gordon’s career over

[RIP]

On the third angle you can quite clearly see Holt glancing at Nisbet as he slides in. That's why he raised his right foot after winning the ball.

Unfortunately the ref was right in front of the tackle and saw the intent before the contact.

[OldEast]

The penalty against Newell was never a penalty. VAR really hasn't done us any favours. No second look at the potential stamp on Campbell either

"Stamp" was completely accidental. Sore one though when you saw the marks on his leg.

[Waxy]

That was never a pen for hearts.Why didnt var get involved?
How many penalties have they had?

[Sir David Gray]

That was never a pen for hearts.Why didnt var get involved?
How many penalties have they had?

8 in all competitions.

[BILLYHIBS]

8 in all competitions.
Yeah think I might have included a friendly 😀

[mjhibby]

To be fair, the Hibs player in the vicinity was Porto. We all know he’s prone to acting to influence refs. And if he was an opposition player I would have found his reaction annoying as ****. I love him when he’s doing the business for us but that’s the truth. I’d never use any players reaction to guide me as to what’s just taken place, far less Porto’s :greengrin .

Portos reaction was due to seeing Nisbet clearly in pain. Where he catches Nisbet with studs showing warrants a red card in my book. Dangerous tackle with the follow through. Ref correct in my mind. Problem of course is the inconsistency and unfortunate as Gordon he was lucky not to see red too. All about opinions but only one counts and that's the ref. (and var if you want to be pedantic)

[flash]

Shocking decision. OK there was a bit of contact but he clearly just dives to the ground!

As for Gordon..he is literally dive bombing into the challenge. Shocking injury but it was a shocker of an attempt to get to the ball first. So what if he does when he’s doing so in such a reckless and dangerous manner.

I feel for Gordon but it was definitely self inflicted. Two footed and leaves the ground.
Not entirely sure why it was overturned.

[brog]

I commented before in the VAR thread that although there are shortcomings with the VAR system, what it is doing more is exposing the sheer incompetence of our officials. The Ref at Tannadice, Colin Stephen, looked like an embarrassed wee schoolboy as he kept changing his own decisions. FFS, when Alan Muir is overruling you then you're in trouble. Celtc's 4th goal was even worse. The scorer was onside by at least a yard, clearly came from behind the defender but was flagged offside. VAR then apparently took several minutes to overrule the decision. Our officials are atrocious!

[NAE NOOKIE]

At the game and from what I saw on Sportscene the 'ex' Jambo bassa was a bit unlucky to get a straight red for his tackle on Nizzy ... just my opinion of course.

As for the stamp on Campbell, I had a perfect view from the front of the west upper, it was right in front of me and it looked deliberate, he was a lucky boy to get away with it, so that kind of makes up for the red they got if it was unlucky, coz they could easily have had one for that.

Not sure if Gordon should have been sent off, he did get the ball, but he could have been shown one for reckless conduct I suppose. As for the Hearts pen, an absolute joke and considering the flak Porto got I'm at a loss to see how the pundits give Shankland a pass for far worse. Talking of Porto, his reaction towards Holt was totally ridiculous in my eyes, he had already been sent off by the ref at that point so what the hell was the point of a reaction that if I had been the ref I would have booked him for.

If Porto does have one recurring fault it's his inability to keep his trap shut and even sometimes his hands to himself when it would be better just to walk away .... something we shouldn't forget if he does end up at one of the erse cheeks.

[Musselbound]

To be fair, the Hibs player in the vicinity was Porto. We all know he’s prone to acting to influence refs. And if he was an opposition player I would have found his reaction annoying as ****. I love him when he’s doing the business for us but that’s the truth. I’d never use any players reaction to guide me as to what’s just taken place, far less Porto’s :greengrin .

Total overreaction from Porteous. Was only a yellow card for me.

[sleeping giant]

Total overreaction from Porteous. Was only a yellow card for me.

Not really an over reaction. Nisbet is just back from serious injury and was absolutely clattered.

[Onion]

Total overreaction from Porteous. Was only a yellow card for me.

Opinions. Have seen it a few times and heard the case for the defence from Michael Stewart but still agree with the ref & VAR - was a straight red. IMO Holt knew fine well Nisbet was coming in from the side and deliberately followed through with his foot/ studs, knowing he'd have a good chance of catching Nisbet on the way through. He didn't need to do that. Ref got it spot on and Holt got what he fully deserved.

Seen far too many sly tackles and thuggery from Hearts and e-Hearts players go unpunished over the years to the point of impunity. Yesterday was a catch-up moment. No wonder Holt looked so shocked :thumbsup:

[JohnM1875]

Not really an over reaction. Nisbet is just back from serious injury and was absolutely clattered.

Not going to lie, I'd have reacted the exact same if it's my mate on the end of that. Don't blame Porteous at all on this one.

[Ringothedog]

Not really an over reaction. Nisbet is just back from serious injury and was absolutely clattered.

I agree totally, the Jambo ******* may or may not have meant it, but there was definitely a follow through

[Hibiza]

At the game and from what I saw on Sportscene the 'ex' Jambo bassa was a bit unlucky to get a straight red for his tackle on Nizzy ... just my opinion of course.

As for the stamp on Campbell, I had a perfect view from the front of the west upper, it was right in front of me and it looked deliberate, he was a lucky boy to get away with it, so that kind of makes up for the red they got if it was unlucky, coz they could easily have had one for that.

Not sure if Gordon should have been sent off, he did get the ball, but he could have been shown one for reckless conduct I suppose. As for the Hearts pen, an absolute joke and considering the flak Porto got I'm at a loss to see how the pundits give Shankland a pass for far worse. Talking of Porto, his reaction towards Holt was totally ridiculous in my eyes, he had already been sent off by the ref at that point so what the hell was the point of a reaction that if I had been the ref I would have booked him for.

If Porto does have one recurring fault it's his inability to keep his trap shut and even sometimes his hands to himself when it would be better just to walk away .... something we shouldn't forget if he does end up at one of the erse cheeks.

:top marks

[Argylehibby]

Opinions. Have seen it a few times and heard the case for the defence from Michael Stewart but still agree with the ref & VAR - was a straight red. IMO Holt knew fine well Nisbet was coming in from the side and deliberately followed through with his foot/ studs, knowing he'd have a good chance of catching Nisbet on the way through. He didn't need to do that. Ref got it spot on and Holt got what he fully deserved.

Seen far too many sly tackles and thuggery from Hearts and e-Hearts players go unpunished over the years to the point of impunity. Yesterday was a catch-up moment. No wonder Holt looked so shocked :thumbsup:

If. He didn’t see Kevin why did he slide in to tackle nobody?

[Whataball]

At the game and from what I saw on Sportscene the 'ex' Jambo bassa was a bit unlucky to get a straight red for his tackle on Nizzy ... just my opinion of course.

As for the stamp on Campbell, I had a perfect view from the front of the west upper, it was right in front of me and it looked deliberate, he was a lucky boy to get away with it, so that kind of makes up for the red they got if it was unlucky, coz they could easily have had one for that.

Not sure if Gordon should have been sent off, he did get the ball, but he could have been shown one for reckless conduct I suppose. As for the Hearts pen, an absolute joke and considering the flak Porto got I'm at a loss to see how the pundits give Shankland a pass for far worse. Talking of Porto, his reaction towards Holt was totally ridiculous in my eyes, he had already been sent off by the ref at that point so what the hell was the point of a reaction that if I had been the ref I would have booked him for.

If Porto does have one recurring fault it's his inability to keep his trap shut and even sometimes his hands to himself when it would be better just to walk away .... something we shouldn't forget if he does end up at one of the erse cheeks.

Bang on.

[500miles]

If Porteous put that tackle in that Holt did it would be on the back pages and all over twitter. Totally out of control.

[chasitup]

If. He didn’t see Kevin why did he slide in to tackle nobody?

He didn’t slide in to tackle nobody though. He was sliding in to maintain possession for his team. Nisbet wasn’t in his field of vision. Still think that’s a really harsh red. I’d be really annoyed if we’d had a player sent off for that.

[Dibben]

If Porteous put that tackle in that Holt did it would be on the back pages and all over twitter. Totally out of control.

This 100%. When I first saw the challenge on the way home from the game - I thought it was harsh.

Since then, seeing his lifting of the leg at the end does show intent to hurt.

But agree, fully, if that was Porteous, it would be everywhere.

[Eyrie]

He didn’t slide in to tackle nobody though. He was sliding in to maintain possession for his team. Nisbet wasn’t in his field of vision. Still think that’s a really harsh red. I’d be really annoyed if we’d had a player sent off for that.

He didn't need to slide to retain possession unless he knew Nisbet was there.

And he couldn't do anything with the possession if he was off his feet.

And the result of his slide to retain possession was an interception by Newell.

[SerenityGreen]

He didn’t slide in to tackle nobody though. He was sliding in to maintain possession for his team. Nisbet wasn’t in his field of vision. Still think that’s a really harsh red. I’d be really annoyed if we’d had a player sent off for that.
Just watched back on telly and agree, don't think that's a red at all and if it was a red for one of us we,d no be happy. The Craig Gordon incident, I just think is one of those things, done the same in my time as a centre forward, you're just going for the ball, I don't think there is a foul either way, it's just a collision. Ref just gave a free kick to Herts cos it was easy thing to do. pissed myself at the penalty. IMO was laughable as foreheed just fell doon.

[Glory Lurker]

Holt went high on the ball and out of control. If he didn't see Nisbet coming in he needs to worry about his peripheral vision.

[ekhibee]

I can honestly say I've never ever been a fan of Jason Holt, but a red card for that was wrong IMO. I know Porteous was just defending his teammate after the event by the way.

[Glory Lurker]

I can honestly say I've never ever been a fan of Jason Holt, but a red card for that was wrong IMO. I know Porteous was just defending his teammate after the event by the way.

I know you don't mean it like that but obviously Porto's reaction is separate to the referee's decision. Boy could have chucked on a leotard and performed Swan Lake. Doesn't change the assessment of the foul.

[007]

I can honestly say I've never ever been a fan of Jason Holt, but a red card for that was wrong IMO. I know Porteous was just defending his teammate after the event by the way.

Can't you see the deliberate upward movement of the foot to catch Nisbet?

[Scouse Hibee]

Can't you see the deliberate upward movement of the foot to catch Nisbet?

No because it wasn’t there regardless of how you want it to be.

[007]

No because it wasn’t there regardless of how you want it to be.

It was totally deliberate, clear as day. Ref, thought so, VAR official thought so, Porteous thought so, I and many others think so.

https://youtu.be/rKyOaT7OETg?t=114

[ChilliEater]

No because it wasn’t there regardless of how you want it to be.

I'm seeing it? There's no way he can avoid the contact, but it looks to me like he deliberately moves to make it worse rather than to minimise it?

[LaMotta]

I think Holt is unlucky in that he clearly doesnt see Nisbet nor does he mean to hurt him (no idea how anyone saying he meant it).

But at the same time its a red card because he endangers the opponent and catches him at a dangerous height. Just unlucky but its still a red. Its not too different from Turnbull at Celtic in that respect, clearly neither player meant to catch players where they did but the fact is they are red cards by the rulebook.

[Green Reaper]

Holt sees Nisbet, otherwise why slide in? He also knew what he was doing in intentionally raising his foot to catch Nisbo, defo red for me.

[Carheenlea]

I think Holt is unlucky in that he clearly doesnt see Nisbet nor does he mean to hurt him (no idea how anyone saying he meant it).

But at the same time its a red card because he endangers the opponent and catches him at a dangerous height. Just unlucky but its still a red. Its not too different from Turnbull at Celtic in that respect, clearly neither player meant to catch players where they did but the fact is they are red cards by the rulebook.

Who was he sliding in to tackle if he didn’t see Kevin Nisbet?

Knew exactly what he was doing for me - one of those “keep the boot in” tackles designed to injure and maim. A trademark of industrial football clubs such as Livingston.

[shetlandhibee]

Can't you see the deliberate upward movement of the foot to catch Nisbet?:top marks
yes the upward movement of his foot and follow through at the end(dont know how some folk are not noticing that?) straight red all day long IMO

[J-C]

The way I saw it was Holt sees Kevin, slides in to win the ball, Nisbet if anything was the player who comes in late and gets himself caught by Holts studs, as they said he could've jumped over the challenge. Still a red as he catches Nisbet in the follow through.

[green day]

As for the stamp on Campbell, I had a perfect view from the front of the west upper, it was right in front of me and it looked deliberate, he was a lucky boy to get away with it, so that kind of makes up for the red they got if it was unlucky, coz they could easily have had one for that.ref I would have booked him for.

Aye, I am West Upper and was looking straight at it.

Linesman was 3 feet away and said nothing - Montanos studmarks were about on Campbells upper thigh.

I think it was deliberate - I didnt really want Montano sent off, but I think it was worse than Holts one.

[Argylehibby]

He didn't need to slide to retain possession unless he knew Nisbet was there.

And he couldn't do anything with the possession if he was off his feet.

And the result of his slide to retain possession was an interception by Newell.

Thanks, that’s the point I was trying to make. You don’t slide in for anything other than a tackle so he knew KN was there and tried to do him.

[Eyrie]

Aye, I am West Upper and was looking straight at it.

Linesman was 3 feet away and said nothing - Montanos studmarks were about on Campbells upper thigh.

I think it was deliberate - I didnt really want Montano sent off, but I think it was worse than Holts one.

I think the fact that they were already down to ten men may have had a bearing on the officials' reluctance to do anything. Similar to Motherwell in the cup last year when the referee only gave a yellow rather than red for an identical challenge to the one he'd already sent a player off for.

[Argylehibby]

The way I saw it was Holt sees Kevin, slides in to win the ball, Nisbet if anything was the player who comes in late and gets himself caught by Holts studs, as they said he could've jumped over the challenge. Still a red as he catches Nisbet in the follow through.

So a guy that’s been out for months with an injury is going to risk another one to get an opponent sent off rather than jump over the tackle? Most players returning from a long lay off avoid heavy challenges not deliberately get caught by them.

[J-C]

So a guy that’s been out for months with an injury is going to risk another one to get an opponent sent off rather than jump over the tackle? Most players returning from a long lay off avoid heavy challenges not deliberately get caught by them.


It was a split second decision and if Kevin is a whole hearted player he doesn't think of previous injuries. I can see exactly why he was sent of but also I can see that Nisbet could've avoided the challenge, maybe his brain didn't act quick enough. It was still a red even though Holt won the ball cleanly but his follow through was high and dangerous with studs showing. I can see both points of view in this challenge.

[LaMotta]

Who was he sliding in to tackle if he didn’t see Kevin Nisbet?

Knew exactly what he was doing for me - one of those “keep the boot in” tackles designed to injure and maim. A trademark of industrial football clubs such as Livingston.

Fair point in that he knew Nisbet was on his way to challenge for the ball, still think he just went into win the ball and didnt neccessarily mean to catch him there. Red card either way for me though.

Its amazing how many huns and Jambos on twitter think it wasnt a yellow card but when porto won the ball v Aribo similarly but didnt even touch Aribo they thought it was a jail sentence....

[h1bs4life]

Holt seen it as an opportunity to do Nisbet red card especially nowadays.
No idea what Stewart was on about trying to put some of the blame on Nisbet.
Used to like Stewart as a pundit but he has changed a bit since Dr Football left Hertz.
No mention of Shankland diving

[Roxyhibee]

Stewart is rapidly becoming a slavering attention seeking clown in the Andy Walker style for me. He’s also dealer to join the Hearts love in at every opportunity.

That was a red - Holt wins the ball yes, but takes the opportunity to carry on through with force and deliberately targets Nisbet’s foot.

[JohnM1875]

Stewart is rapidly becoming a slavering attention seeking clown in the Andy Walker style for me. He’s also dealer to join the Hearts love in at every opportunity.

That was a red - Holt wins the ball yes, but takes the opportunity to carry on through with force and deliberately targets Nisbet’s foot.

Stewart's been like that for a while in my opinion. Makes me think I only liked him when they had Levein charge cause he hates Levein more than anything else.

Think Stewart is a bit of a walloper now

[007]

Stewart's been like that for a while in my opinion. Makes me think I only liked him when they had Levein charges cause he hates Levein more than anything else.

Think Stewart is a bit of a walloper now

✅️

[RMQ1967]

People don't like MS because he's honest and he doesn't care if his opinion upsets anyone.

A couple of months ago, Hibs were having a purple patch & he was saying he still wasn't convinced by Hibs - he was bang on - we went on a horrendous run.
His view if the red card isn't anti-Hibs - just the way he sees it & no different to some of our own support.

Some folk need to get off the paranoia tablets and accept there are different views to their own that may be valid and aren't down to an anti-Hibs, pro-Hearts conspiracy.

[Rumble de Thump]

People don't like MS because he's honest and he doesn't care if his opinion upsets anyone.

A couple of months ago, Hibs were having a purple patch & he was saying he still wasn't convinced by Hibs - he was bang on - we went on a horrendous run.
His view if the red card isn't anti-Hibs - just the way he sees it & no different to some of our own support.

Some folk need to get off the paranoia tablets and accept there are different views to their own that may be valid and aren't down to an anti-Hibs, pro-Hearts conspiracy.

A person being pro-Hearts couldn't be a conspiracy.

[Kato]

People don't like MS because he's honest and he doesn't care if his opinion upsets anyone.

A couple of months ago, Hibs were having a purple patch & he was saying he still wasn't convinced by Hibs - he was bang on - we went on a horrendous run.
His view if the red card isn't anti-Hibs - just the way he sees it & no different to some of our own support.

Some folk need to get off the paranoia tablets and accept there are different views to their own that may be valid and aren't down to an anti-Hibs, pro-Hearts conspiracy.That's your opinion. Mine is he's been less honest in his punditry after going through an unspoken ban from the BBC when he said "bad things" about a certain Glasgow club. Since his return he's been more "Sportscene" and less Mickey Stewart.

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[RMQ1967]

A person being pro-Hearts couldn't be a conspiracy.

It is in the minds of some on here 😉

[RMQ1967]

That's your opinion. Mine is he's been less honest in his punditry after going through an unspoken ban from the BBC when he said "bad things" about a certain Glasgow club. Since his return he's been more "Sportscene" and less Mickey Stewart.

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Perhaps - you may have a point. However, from a Hibs perspective, people on this thread were apoplectic that he wasn't giving Hibs enough credit for the 4 game winning run.

He was cautious about our capability to compete for 3rd or better. He was calling it as he seen it & he was correct.

[Kato]

people on this thread were apoplectic

I can remember people disagreeing with him but not the apoplexy.

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[RMQ1967]

I can remember people disagreeing with him but not the apoplexy.

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That's what it looked like to me. I note you're not disagreeing about the paranoia or the fact that MS was correct at the time.

[Kato]

That's what it looked like to me. I note you're not disagreeing about the paranoia or the fact that MS was correct at the time.Paranoia?

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[brog]

Perhaps - you may have a point. However, from a Hibs perspective, people on this thread were apoplectic that he wasn't giving Hibs enough credit for the 4 game winning run.

He was cautious about our capability to compete for 3rd or better. He was calling it as he seen it & he was correct.

He wasn't really, he was coming out with guff about us not having an identity, WTF does that mean? MS has 1 major flaw, he never, ever accepts he may be wrong. He just goes on and on until his fellow pundits move on as he's never going to change his mind. At the end of the day we lost 6 games out of 7 and we're still only 2 points out of 3rd place. If only we had an identity.

[JohnM1875]

That's your opinion. Mine is he's been less honest in his punditry after going through an unspoken ban from the BBC when he said "bad things" about a certain Glasgow club. Since his return he's been more "Sportscene" and less Mickey Stewart.

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Absolutely agree with that. He shat it and now he's just another Sportscene mouthpiece for me.

Don't even think he's necessarily pro Hearts. Just think he talks ***** now and he's just as informative as Iwelumo or Foster, which is disappointing.

[Aldo]

Absolutely agree with that. He shat it and now he's just another Sportscene mouthpiece for me.

Don't even think he's necessarily pro Hearts. Just think he talks ***** now and he's just as informative as Iwelumo or Foster, which is disappointing.

It’s an irrelevant programme with irrelevant presenters bigging up certain teams and criticising others at every opportunity.

[Libby Hibby]

Perhaps - you may have a point. However, from a Hibs perspective, people on this thread were apoplectic that he wasn't giving Hibs enough credit for the 4 game winning run.

He was cautious about our capability to compete for 3rd or better. He was calling it as he seen it & he was correct.

Hi Mikey 👋

[RMQ1967]

Hi Mikey 👋

You got me 😩

[BILLYHIBS]

It’s an irrelevant programme with irrelevant presenters bigging up certain teams and criticising others at every opportunity.

Thomson has admitted he doesn’t even like fitba and looks as though he disnae want to be there apart from bigging up his beloved St Mirren

Foster dresses like a pop star doesn’t offer anything insightful and would rather be at an Amy MacDonald gig

Mickey Stewart has had his baws parted, gagged and has to tow the establishment line so is now showing his true colours by supporting Hearts

I only watch it to see what they are saying about the Hibs

[mjhibby]

It’s an irrelevant programme with irrelevant presenters bigging up certain teams and criticising others at every opportunity.

100% correct sir. If anything it's getting worse which I never thought possible.

[scm70nyd1973]

Stewart's been like that for a while in my opinion. Makes me think I only liked him when they had Levein charge cause he hates Levein more than anything else.

Think Stewart is a bit of a walloper now

Bang on the money with this - that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking for ages now - bit like the Sutton and Lennon scenario at HIBS albeit in reverse

[scm70nyd1973]

100% correct sir. If anything it's getting worse which I never thought possible.

It sure is and it is getting worse - I’ve given up on it now.

[scm70nyd1973]

Thomson has admitted he doesn’t even like fitba and looks as though he disnae want to be there apart from bigging up his beloved St Mirren

Foster dresses like a pop star doesn’t offer anything insightful and would rather be at an Amy MacDonald gig

Mickey Stewart has had his baws parted, gagged and has to tow the establishment line so is now showing his true colours by supporting Hearts

I only watch it to see what they are saying about the Hibs

Brilliant summary - especially the baws parted bit 😂I have spent all morning now trying to decide which would be worse - watching Sportscene or going to an Amy Mac gig 🤔

[green day]

I only watch it to see what they are saying about the Hibs

I dont even do that, just watch the highlights and FF thru the pish the panel are saying (and thats not just about Hibs).

[oldbutdim]

I dont even do that, just watch the highlights and FF thru the pish the panel are saying (and thats not just about Hibs).

Me too.
Much better viewing.

[green day]

Me too.
Much better viewing.

I do the same with MOTD as well tbf - maybe its an age thing, but the overanalysis and dissection of everything on that programme really gets on my thruppeny bits.

I muted all the HT crap in the World Cup as well.

In fact, on reflection, maybe I am just a grumpy so and so :greengrin:greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

I dont even do that, just watch the highlights and FF thru the pish the panel are saying (and thats not just about Hibs).

Me too, I have no interest in listening to the pundits, I watch MOTD and Sportscene purely to watch the highlights on the pitch, the rest is irrelevant and can’t see why folk get so bothered about it.

[mjhibby]

I do the same with MOTD as well tbf - maybe its an age thing, but the overanalysis and dissection of everything on that programme really gets on my thruppeny bits.

I muted all the HT crap in the World Cup as well.

In fact, on reflection, maybe I am just a grumpy so and so :greengrin:greengrin

I'm with you. If you can't add anything to the picture don't say anything. We can see what's happening.

[JimBHibees]

People don't like MS because he's honest and he doesn't care if his opinion upsets anyone.

A couple of months ago, Hibs were having a purple patch & he was saying he still wasn't convinced by Hibs - he was bang on - we went on a horrendous run.
His view if the red card isn't anti-Hibs - just the way he sees it & no different to some of our own support.

Some folk need to get off the paranoia tablets and accept there are different views to their own that may be valid and aren't down to an anti-Hibs, pro-Hearts conspiracy.

I have always liked Stewart however seems to be a change in his analysis think his opinions are very emotionally driven he couldn't stand Levein and clearly likes Robbie which imo factors into his views. Don't think I have heard him say anything remotely critical about Hearts this season and has appeared to fit in well with the BBC Gorgie love in especially around the European games. His analysis after Hibs excellent win v Aberdeen was frankly weird imo with no credit given whatsoever. Neilson has done many things this season to attract a least some criticism but his mate Micky has imo struggled to give any. Still one of my favourite pundits though.

[Greenbeard]

Stewart's been like that for a while in my opinion. Makes me think I only liked him when they had Levein charge cause he hates Levein more than anything else.

Think Stewart is a bit of a walloper now
:agree:
Thinks he's the bees' knees when he's a wee wasp that stings at every opportunity and needs swatting away.
Anyone got an industrial size jam jar that can be smeared in Jam Tart sauce round the rim and filled with cruddy water for him to fall into?

[BILLYHIBS]

I meant to say I just FF to the last game ( Hibs ) and listen to why we never got decisions this week :greengrin

Not really interested in the bum cheeks or any other Scottish teams tbh

[gbhibby]

I watch it on IPlayer and fast forward through the analysis so have to listen to the cr##.

[Carheenlea]

Couldn’t tell you the last time I watched Sportscene in its entirety. I just use the BBC highlights on the app which often do the job for any game in particular I’d like to see. I packed it in after realising there was as much pundit chat (probably more..) than that of the actual football coverage which is ultimately what folk are tuning in to view?

Would watch Sportscene religiously when hosted and commentated by Archie McPherson, and it was pretty much all football with extended coverage of one game. You’d watch then gather your own opinion of what you’d witnessed rather than be lectured to by a team of ex pros in bad shirts like what is the standard football show model of today.

[hibsbollah]

Couldn’t tell you the last time I watched Sportscene in its entirety. I just use the BBC highlights on the app which often do the job for any game in particular I’d like to see. I packed it in after realising there was as much pundit chat (probably more..) than that of the actual football coverage which is ultimately what folk are tuning in to view?

Would watch Sportscene religiously when hosted and commentated by Archie McPherson, and it was pretty much all football with extended coverage of one game. You’d watch then gather your own opinion of what you’d witnessed rather than be lectured to by a team of ex pros in bad shirts like what is the standard football show model of today.

:agree: Less analysis, more action please. It’s really not that difficult.

[Tyler Durden]

The thing that annoys me about Mikey Stewart in recent years is his ignorance of the laws of the game.

He still talks about whether handballs are deliberate. His analysis of stuff like the Livvy red card at the weekend focused on whether Jason Holt meant to hurt Nisbet…. None of that really matters now. It’s a bit pointless telling us if he thinks something shouldn’t be a yellow/red if his view completely ignores the current laws.

[RyeSloan]

:agree: Less analysis, more action please. It’s really not that difficult.

Depends on the quality of analysis I suppose.

Sportscene tends to be a few random opinions that don’t amount to much and rarely reaches a level that could be described as analysis.

At least MOTD does some half decent break down of the plays and the tactics on occasion.

[blackpoolhibs]

Just listening to the Celtic manager saying he can see what LJ is trying to do, he can see an identity and a philosophy at Easter Road, maybe Michael Stewart should have a chat with him to put him right.

[GreenGray]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious

[Alfred E Newman]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious


I thought they were full of praise for Porteous last night? They were even praising him for his professional foul in the last minute which took the guy out and stopped a possible equaliser.
It made me wonder if he is heading for Ibrox!

[Jim44]

I thought they were full of praise for Porteous last night? They were even praising him for his professional foul in the last minute which took the guy out and stopped a possible equaliser.
It made me wonder if he is heading for Ibrox!

The Sky commentators and pundits used complimentary terms and language to describe how the game was going, because they had no option. However the tone, enthusiasm and liveliness was just not there and their commentary was flat. When Motherwell were showing progress and scoring their goals, you could easily detect a lift of enthusiasm and expectation in their voices. Call me paranoid but ……. ! :greengrin

[HibbyKeith]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious

Conor Goldson has got to be in with a shout for goalkeeper of the month. Hope they're talking about that on their ***** show.

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[greenlex]

Depends on the quality of analysis I suppose.

Sportscene tends to be a few random opinions that don’t amount to much and rarely reaches a level that could be described as analysis.

At least MOTD does some half decent break down of the plays and the tactics on occasion.
We need pundits with higher football IQs IMO.

[Smartie]

The Sky commentators and pundits used complimentary terms and language to describe how the game was going, because they had no option. However the tone, enthusiasm and liveliness was just not there and their commentary was flat. When Motherwell were showing progress and scoring their goals, you could easily detect a lift of enthusiasm and expectation in their voices. Call me paranoid but ……. ! :greengrin

Was James McFadden not the co-commentator?

As a fan of the national side, and one who was in Paris that time he scored the winner, I'm prepared to cut him a wee bit of slack if he's not exactly neutral when it comes to providing punditry on a game involving his team.

Funny how it can drive you mad at times but not really bother you at others.

[Allant1981]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious



To be fair, if a player had done that to one of our players we would have been raging that there was no foul given

[GreenGray]

To be fair, if a player had done that to one of our players we would have been raging that there was no foul given

Probably, that wasn’t even the main point of my post tbf, it’s just embarrassing that they have a show dedicated to this imo. And this is the clip that they use to promote it.


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[JimBHibees]

Probably, that wasn’t even the main point of my post tbf, it’s just embarrassing that they have a show dedicated to this imo. And this is the clip that they use to promote it.


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Yep bizarre they would highlight that pretty much none incident which happens in every game over a genuinely controversial var check. Tortuous agenda

[Trinity Hibee]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious



Remember these ‘pundits’ have very little knowledge to convey on sportscene. No impartiality when speaking about clubs. It’s become trending to jump on certain players all the time and at the moment that is Porteous

[matty_f]

https://twitter.com/BBCSportScot/status/1612397534802251780?s=20&t=kSVaDAUgvdWKID0dy5_98g

Another example of the BBC slamming Porteous.

The fact that the BBC have created a new "VARdict" show solely focusing on VAR decisions just shows how pathetic the hysteria over referring decisions has become in Scotland and the modern game. VAR was meant to end these conversations but now we have a show dedicated to them!

If pundits spent less time over analysing every single decision would we have VAR now? I highly doubt it. Referees will make mistakes it is impossible for them to get everything right, if VAR helped them get everything right I would almost understand the need for it, but it clearly doesn't.

The BBC should spend less time doing this and spend more time discussing why Rangers are the only team yet to concede a penalty all season and why the vast majority of Premiership refs come from Glasgow.

Rant over. :hilarious



The only valid reason I could see for using that clip is that they wanted to educate folk on why VAR didn't/couldn't intervene and so turn down feelings of injustice about it.

To that end, it was a good example - folk would definitely question how VAR missed it, so that's it explained.

[where'stheslope]

Remember these ‘pundits’ have very little knowledge to convey on sportscene. No impartiality when speaking about clubs. It’s become trending to jump on certain players all the time and at the moment that is Porteous
Not sure I agree on Sunday's performance of Porteous, in this one game he could easily have cost us the 3rd goal by falling down holding his face.
Then OK he trips the Motherwell player on the way in to clear from Van Veen, but it would be melt down on here if it happened against us and nothing given!!!
He seems to bring it on himself at times, and when he gets caught out, this place thinks he's been hard done too???

[JimBHibees]

Not sure I agree on Sunday's performance of Porteous, in this one game he could easily have cost us the 3rd goal by falling down holding his face.
Then OK he trips the Motherwell player on the way in to clear from Van Veen, but it would be melt down on here if it happened against us and nothing given!!!
He seems to bring it on himself at times, and when he gets caught out, this place thinks he's been hard done too???

Think he had a clear head knock and it was ridiculous the ref never stopped the game

[where'stheslope]

Think he had a clear head knock and it was ridiculous the ref never stopped the game
Quick recovery time to celebrate the goal, to my mind means he faked it again I'm afraid!!!

[GreenGray]

Quick recovery time to celebrate the goal, to my mind means he faked it again I'm afraid!!!

Players up and down the country do this to get games stopped. Weird take from yourself when it helped us see out a win


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[where'stheslope]

Players up and down the country do this to get games stopped. Weird take from yourself when it helped us see out a win


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Not weird when it could have also cost us the win if play was stopped!!!

[Oscar T Grouch]

Quick recovery time to celebrate the goal, to my mind means he faked it again I'm afraid!!!

Except it was a clear head knock, got a forearm into the back of the head. So the reaction may have been overstated it was not fake.

[where'stheslope]

Except it was a clear head knock, got a forearm into the back of the head. So the reaction may have been overstated it was not fake.
Looking at the replays it looks more like a forearm in the back rather than head.
But, I still feel his feigning a head knock could have cost us the 3rd goal?

[Oscar T Grouch]

Looking at the replays it looks more like a forearm in the back rather than head.
But, I still feel his feigning a head knock could have cost us the 3rd goal?

Isn't VAR meant to look at the play leading to the goal for anything the ref missed? In which case the imaginary 3rd goal would not stand?

[where'stheslope]

Isn't VAR meant to look at the play leading to the goal for anything the ref missed? In which case the imaginary 3rd goal would not stand?
Just watched the incident again on bbc website, and his head was never hit.
VAR is only called upon if a goal is scored or ref misses something or gets an incident or player wrong.

[JimBHibees]

Quick recovery time to celebrate the goal, to my mind means he faked it again I'm afraid!!!

Not at all definitely got a knock to the head. Referee was pathetic as clearly outlined by McFadden on co commentary

[GreenGray]

Not weird when it could have also cost us the win if play was stopped!!!

If we got annoyed about things that almost cost us the win we would spend our lives annoyed! It’s fine, we won!


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[where'stheslope]

Not at all definitely got a knock to the head. Referee was pathetic as clearly outlined by McFadden on co commentary
I'm not looking for an arguement, but have a look on the BBC website of the 3rd goal and tell me where the tackle hits him?
The ref is right beside both players and fortunately carried on play for our 3rd goal.
Seconds later he's up celebrating the goal?

[ancient hibee]

I'm not looking for an arguement, but have a look on the BBC website of the 3rd goal and tell me where the tackle hits him?
The ref is right beside both players and fortunately carried on play for our 3rd goal.
Seconds later he's up celebrating the goal?
He got a shoulder in the gut,probably slightly winded and was on his feet as the ball hit the net.Don’t think he faked anything.

[Argylehibby]

The head knock wasn't at the time of the 3rd goal and was when Motherwell were on the attack. He was clattered after he passed in the lead up to the 3rd goal but not convinced he was faking a head knock at that point.

[007]

We need pundits with higher football IQs IMO.

I'd settle for ones with a higher IQ than a football.

[JimBHibees]

The head knock wasn't at the time of the 3rd goal and was when Motherwell were on the attack. He was clattered after he passed in the lead up to the 3rd goal but not convinced he was faking a head knock at that point.

Yeah I probably got mixed up it was when Motherwell were on attack and ref inexplicably played on after Porto had been elbowed in the head. Assuming another incident in lead up to our third goal was when Goss took him out after he played the ball to Josh Campbell.

[JimBHibees]

I'm not looking for an arguement, but have a look on the BBC website of the 3rd goal and tell me where the tackle hits him?
The ref is right beside both players and fortunately carried on play for our 3rd goal.
Seconds later he's up celebrating the goal?

Yeah I was thinking about a Motherwell attack Porto got elbowed in the head and ref played on ridiculously. The build up to the third goal he passed it and was taken out late for clear foul.

[Libby Hibby]

Not weird when it could have also cost us the win if play was stopped!!!

Aye but it didny.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Yeah I was thinking about a Motherwell attack Porto got elbowed in the head and ref played on ridiculously. The build up to the third goal he passed it and was taken out late for clear foul.

He would have been booked or sent off for that, ridiculous decision not to book that guy, they were a bunch of cloggers 😡

[Argylehibby]

Yeah I probably got mixed up it was when Motherwell were on attack and ref inexplicably played on after Porto had been elbowed in the head. Assuming another incident in lead up to our third goal was when Goss took him out after he played the ball to Josh Campbell.

That's right and possibly for the first time on Hibs.net I will compliment the ref for playing advantage!

[LaMotta]

Just sat through the highlights which was painful. Couple of things stuck out.

Porteous was even worse for the first goal than I thought at the time: 1) inexplicably scoops the ball back into Ginnelly when he could have just seen it out 2) needlessly fouls Ginnelly when he is facing away from goal on the touchline going nowhere 3) should do better heading ball away from free kick.

For the second goal surely it was a foul on Youan from Devlin in the build up? He just runs in and bundles him over nowhere near the ball?! Thought so at the time , even more convinced now.

But also Cadden was absolutely pathetic in allowing Shankland to score. Woeful defending.

[LaMotta]

Also Jack Ross's suit jacket is a shocker.

[Maguire]

Just sat through the highlights which was painful. Couple of things stuck out.

Porteous was even worse for the first goal than I thought at the time: 1) inexplicably scoops the ball back into Ginnelly when he could have just seen it out 2) needlessly fouls Ginnelly when he is facing away from goal on the touchline going nowhere 3) should do better heading ball away from free kick.

For the second goal surely it was a foul on Youan from Devlin in the build up? He just runs in and bundles him over nowhere near the ball?! Thought so at the time , even more convinced now.

But also Cadden was absolutely pathetic in allowing Shankland to score. Woeful defending.

It was embarrassing, fact is he's never a RB in a million years, would have been better keeping Paul McGinn.

[JammyDoidger]

It was embarrassing, fact is he's never a RB in a million years, would have been better keeping Paul McGinn.

Better with Paul McGinn, superb, what shows how bad we are..not how good McGinn was. What a state.

[Maguire]

Better with Paul McGinn, superb, what shows how bad we are..not how good McGinn was. What a state.

I agree, i'm no great fan of McGinn either btw, we're an absolute car crash from top to bottom

[JammyDoidger]

I agree, i'm no great fan of McGinn either btw, we're an absolute car crash from top to bottom

So what do we do about it? Us fans need to do something it's hurting us all! It's time to put these donuts straight or this is going to become the norm!

[Maguire]

So what do we do about it? Us fans need to do something it's hurting us all! It's time to put these donuts straight or this is going to become the norm!

For me it just about is the norm, its been over 3 years since we've beaten the pricks. As for what do we do, who knows. I can only go off of gut feelings and that feeling is that while the Gordon's are in charge we won't get it right, depressing times indeed, actually makes me feel sick.

[Baader]

Also Jack Ross's suit jacket is a shocker.

Yes it is. The whole show is utter guff. Might need to come back up and sort it out. Half arsed as usual from BBC Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

Just sat through the highlights which was painful. Couple of things stuck out.

Porteous was even worse for the first goal than I thought at the time: 1) inexplicably scoops the ball back into Ginnelly when he could have just seen it out 2) needlessly fouls Ginnelly when he is facing away from goal on the touchline going nowhere 3) should do better heading ball away from free kick.

For the second goal surely it was a foul on Youan from Devlin in the build up? He just runs in and bundles him over nowhere near the ball?! Thought so at the time , even more convinced now.

But also Cadden was absolutely pathetic in allowing Shankland to score. Woeful defending.

Thought it was a clear foul also one of many fouls Robertson didn't give us. Surely worth a var check?

[Callum_62]

Thought it was a clear foul also one of many fouls Robertson didn't give us. Surely worth a var check?A VAR check, against hearts?

Give over!

I'm sure the potential foul was analysed very closley by the expert panel the same way it would have been if it was Celtic scoring a 2nd against Rangers

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[Tyler Durden]

Just sat through the highlights which was painful. Couple of things stuck out.

Porteous was even worse for the first goal than I thought at the time: 1) inexplicably scoops the ball back into Ginnelly when he could have just seen it out 2) needlessly fouls Ginnelly when he is facing away from goal on the touchline going nowhere 3) should do better heading ball away from free kick.

For the second goal surely it was a foul on Youan from Devlin in the build up? He just runs in and bundles him over nowhere near the ball?! Thought so at the time , even more convinced now.

But also Cadden was absolutely pathetic in allowing Shankland to score. Woeful defending.

Agree on all points.

Also the farce where they claimed Shankland was unlucky to get booked. They failed to mention it was about his 5th foul, most of them on Rocky. He also elbowed Rocky in the face in the first 10 minutes which wasn't punished at all. Which I seem to recall he did in the first derby of the season aswell. He's due a dull one from somebody soon, the wee rat.

[LaMotta]

Agree on all points.

Also the farce where they claimed Shankland was unlucky to get booked. They failed to mention it was about his 5th foul, most of them on Rocky. He also elbowed Rocky in the face in the first 10 minutes which wasn't punished at all. Which I seem to recall he did in the first derby of the season aswell. He's due a dull one from somebody soon, the wee rat.

Aye very good point re Shankland 1st booking, he had about 4 fouls in the first half then 2 digs at Rocky in the one incident that led to his booking.

Berra and Ross clearly hadnt watched the whole game, or they are slavers. Hard to know which. I was swearing at the TV at that point at their shocking punditry.

On the Devlin "tackle" on Youan, Hibs bench was again going mad at Beaton on the touchline asking why it wasnt a foul. Dunno why Johnson doesnt reference that in his interviews. He should be saying its a clear foul - Neilson certainly would, he moans constantly and they seem to be getting the benefit of decisions on an almost weekly basis so its done him no harm.

[WeeRussell]

I was raging at the foul which wasn’t given before the second goal. Not seen highlights but looked absolutely clear as day from the East stand.. cynical foul and a booking. Similarly Robertson never gave another one on edge of the box when one of them clattered through the back of Nisbet as he got to the ball first.

I wondered if they might argue the ‘foul’ was far enough back before the second goal that it wouldn’t be checked?

[BILLYHIBS]

Made me realise how reckless and shoddy Porto was for their first goal

Shocking defending

Never let the ball bounce the golden rule

Berra still a smug Hearts so and so and every right to be so

Still do not think Hearts are a good side

I’m not bitter

[hibsbollah]

Made me realise how reckless and shoddy Porto was for their first goal

Shocking defending

Never let the ball bounce the golden rule

Berra still a smug Hearts so and so and every right to be so

Still do not think Hearts are a good side

I’m not bitter

This was the worst part of yesterday for me. Losing by 3 goals to a mediocre team.
They were so sloppy in possession. Poor ball retention. Yes some great blocks in and around the box. Yes, clinical as anything going forward. But they are really not a good team, and them waltzing to 3rd place and more cash sticks in the craw because they are not that great.

[GreenGray]

Just sat through the highlights which was painful. Couple of things stuck out.

Porteous was even worse for the first goal than I thought at the time: 1) inexplicably scoops the ball back into Ginnelly when he could have just seen it out 2) needlessly fouls Ginnelly when he is facing away from goal on the touchline going nowhere 3) should do better heading ball away from free kick.

For the second goal surely it was a foul on Youan from Devlin in the build up? He just runs in and bundles him over nowhere near the ball?! Thought so at the time , even more convinced now.

But also Cadden was absolutely pathetic in allowing Shankland to score. Woeful defending.

Thought there second goal was a foul at the time too to be honest, at a time where we were still in the game that obviously killed us.


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[LaMotta]

Thought there second goal was a foul at the time too to be honest, at a time where we were still in the game that obviously killed us.


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Well here is a video clip of it - even Hearts fans laughing at how it was a foul. Shocking refereeing from Robertson, but seriously what is the point of VAR if it doesnt pick that up?

https://twitter.com/LambeauJambo/status/1617441346155085824?t=gDhqNtrFz73jLpk-EDF8Bw&s=19

[GreenGray]

Well here is a video clip of it - even Hearts fans laughing at how it was a foul. Shocking refereeing from Robertson, but seriously what is the point of VAR if it doesnt pick that up?

https://twitter.com/LambeauJambo/status/1617441346155085824?t=gDhqNtrFz73jLpk-EDF8Bw&s=19

There is no point in VAR it should be scrapped ASAP.

[JohnM1875]

Well here is a video clip of it - even Hearts fans laughing at how it was a foul. Shocking refereeing from Robertson, but seriously what is the point of VAR if it doesnt pick that up?

https://twitter.com/LambeauJambo/status/1617441346155085824?t=gDhqNtrFz73jLpk-EDF8Bw&s=19

Absolutely a foul. Think it's a foul on Stevenson for their first as well, see them giving in the box when defending all the time.

[OstKurve Hibs]

There is no point in VAR it should be scrapped ASAP.

It would be handy if it was used properly by professionals and not rabid masonic bigots.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Am I wrong in saying that VAR wasn’t in use yesterday as it can’t be used at all games in the round or have I just made that up?

[GreenGray]

It would be handy if it was used properly by professionals and not rabid masonic bigots.

Yes but the technology itself totally ruins the experience for match going fans

[I'm Spartacus]

Am I wrong in saying that VAR wasn’t in use yesterday as it can’t be used at all games in the round or have I just made that up?

It was in use yesterday, 3 games had it over the weekend.

[hibee_girl]

Am I wrong in saying that VAR wasn’t in use yesterday as it can’t be used at all games in the round or have I just made that up?

It was only in use for the three games that have been on tv.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Thanks

[I'm Spartacus]

One gripe of mine. It was a very heavy Hearts positive presence on the media outlets, we got Jack Ross, Bartley and Shaun doing the draw.

[KWJ]

Heh, might look like it goes against what I've said on other threads but I don't think that's a foul, didn't live and still don't. He gets his body in front of Youan who is too easily knocked off the ball, like in the first half by Smith.

Hearts do what they do well and it's enough to amass enough points to be comfortably 3rd in this league. It's not pretty, as usual, but it works.

And as a side note I know 0-3 is a crap scoreline but would fans have preferred we sat back on the 0-2? Obviously we'd all prefer if Rocky hadn't been seriously injured and out of play and that Cabraja could've put in a decent cross.

[GreenGray]

Impossible for Michael Stewart to credit us today, had to mention how poor Aberdeen are and that many of our wins have came against 10 men.

He was almost twitching with anger waiting to but in when the other two pundits were praising us.


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[Since452]

Hibs were fantastic today. They labeled it El Sackio and one team won 6-0.

[TheHibernator]

First time I’ve watched in a while today, atmosphere like a funeral talking about the game. Michael Stewart was spewing and couldn’t bring himself to compliment us. That’s maybe the norm now but found it quite shocking.

[worcesterhibby]

Those decisions in the Rangers v St Johnstone game...Scottish football is utterly corrupt

[easty]

Those decisions in the Rangers v St Johnstone game...Scottish football is utterly corrupt

Something needs to be done. At the very least, they have to be forced to come out and explain the decisions.

That red card for Clark is never a red, and how did it even become a red? The big screens say VAR gave it, so why’s Collum no going to look at it on the screen?

VAR got involved in the Ryan Jack tackle…which was worse than Clarks, and Collum watched the replays and still only gave a yellow.

They’re a disgrace. It’s every week. I’m not surprised, I expected more of the same when VAR came along, but maybe not to this extent.

[Callum_62]

Does anyone actually know what's a handball now?

We had a shocker last week against ambrose and this week the rangers penaltybis dubious at best

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[buktapurple79]

GIRFUY Stewart Yam fud, you were spewing gave zero credit for a superb footballing performance unprofessional

[hibsbollah]

Impossible for Michael Stewart to credit us today, had to mention how poor Aberdeen are and that many of our wins have came against 10 men.

He was almost twitching with anger waiting to but in when the other two pundits were praising us.


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Stewart’s ego is so vast it takes him weeks to admit change his position on anything. Which is a bit daft as we all know the beauty of football is that it changes week to week.

[Saint Hibee]

Those decisions in the Rangers v St Johnstone game...Scottish football is utterly corrupt

Just watched it. That’s beyond incompetence, it’s clearly corruption, breaking their own VAR protocol to ensure a win for the King’s Eleven on armed forces day.

[wookie70]

Those decisions in the Rangers v St Johnstone game...Scottish football is utterly corrupt

The reason I initially wanted VAR is that I thought it would stop the blatant corruption as the officials would not be able to use the old "only saw it once", "from my angle" excuses. It seems they are quite open about being completely corrupt now and the game at Ibrox yesterday was as good an example as you will get. Two decisions that should be 70 30 in St Johnstone's favour given The Rangers way and the sending off which was never a red from any angle given The Rangers way. If it was the one game then you could put it down as a bad day for the officials but it is every week

[brog]

Those decisions in the Rangers v St Johnstone game...Scottish football is utterly corrupt

A Spanish ref gave more penalties against The Rangers at Ibrox in 90 minutes than Scottish referees have in the last 2+ seasons. Of course it's not corrupt! :wink:

[The Harp Awakes]

The reason I initially wanted VAR is that I thought it would stop the blatant corruption as the officials would not be able to use the old "only saw it once", "from my angle" excuses. It seems they are quite open about being completely corrupt now and the game at Ibrox yesterday was as good an example as you will get. Two decisions that should be 70 30 in St Johnstone's favour given The Rangers way and the sending off which was never a red from any angle given The Rangers way. If it was the one game then you could put it down as a bad day for the officials but it is every week

Yep, the constant decisions going in Ranger's favour week in week out is becoming farcical now. Incredibly the introduction of VAR has made things worse. Scottish officiating is corrupt to the core.

[Cat Stanton]

First time I’ve watched in a while today, atmosphere like a funeral talking about the game. Michael Stewart was spewing and couldn’t bring himself to compliment us. That’s maybe the norm now but found it quite shocking.

He does have a point to be fair. I thoroughly enjoyed the game yesterday, but it's the most lamentably awful Aberdeen side I've ever seen. You can't ignore how bad their defence was.

More generally Stewart has been picking up on the problems at Hibs - and you can't exactly criticise him for that when there are threads and threads and pages and pages on this forum saying the same thing!

[basehibby]

Something needs to be done. At the very least, they have to be forced to come out and explain the decisions.

That red card for Clark is never a red, and how did it even become a red? The big screens say VAR gave it, so why’s Collum no going to look at it on the screen?

VAR got involved in the Ryan Jack tackle…which was worse than Clarks, and Collum watched the replays and still only gave a yellow.

They’re a disgrace. It’s every week. I’m not surprised, I expected more of the same when VAR came along, but maybe not to this extent.

True - there is controversy about VAR literally every week when it's supposed to settle arguments.
You'd think that there would be some kind of legal recourse as the evidence is there for all to see such that it's difficult to escape the conclusion there is some kind of cheating going on. This would constitute match fixing which is a criminal offence if I'm not mistaken. I know that clubs are disallowed from taking legal action against the football authorities - so will it take a collective of fans to bring a case?

[BILLYHIBS]

Dearie me !

The Rangers get every decision going

St Johnstone nothing

Drey Wright through on goal rounds the keeper kicks the grass from a tight angle granted

Who knew ?

[Hibbyradge]

6 goals in our game yesterday, including a penalty, and no VAR interruptions.

Maybe it can be unobtrusive and successfully. Poor decisions will continue though and it's up to the viewer to decide if they're deliberate or just human errors.

Personally, I have to think that wrong decisions are mistakes. If I thought the game was really rigged, I would walk away from it.

I know others feel differently but I'm not going to get into an argument about it.

[Hibby Bairn]

I like Michael Stewart. Decent pundit imo.

I also thought the decisions in the Rangers game were correct.

🙂

[Iain G]

First time I’ve watched in a while today, atmosphere like a funeral talking about the game. Michael Stewart was spewing and couldn’t bring himself to compliment us. That’s maybe the norm now but found it quite shocking.

He was bristling and agitated and was clearly not happy that any praise was coming our way, he seems to be getting less and less rational and can't see what is in front of him. One of the reasons I enjoy MOTD more is that people actually talk about the game and not the noise around it or keep up their own personal narratives. It's all small minded and agenda led.

Scottish football coverage continues to be comedy, and not in a fun way.

[JimBHibees]

Haven't seen it yet if Stewart cannot highlight anything positive about Hibs display yesterday he really needs to get another job. Our fourth goal for example was one of the best goals of the season from any team in our league imo.

[Iain G]

I like Michael Stewart. Decent pundit imo.

I also thought the decisions in the Rangers game were correct.

🙂

Is that you Mrs Stewart? Wee Mikey won't be home for tea as he is too busy trying to criticise Hibs, inspite of a 6-0 win, on national telly 😁

[Jones28]

I like Michael Stewart. Decent pundit imo.

I also thought the decisions in the Rangers game were correct.

🙂

Stewart used to be the only one of that bunch worth listening to. Now? He has nothing, literally nothing, good to say about us.

[Callum_62]

I like Michael Stewart. Decent pundit imo.

I also thought the decisions in the Rangers game were correct.

[emoji846]You thought this wasn't a red card?

https://mobile.twitter.com/AMC__88/status/1619367452365975553

I can't find Clarkes but I seen it last night and it's no where near as bad as the jack one

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[Brightside]

Tbh I thought Stewart was bang on in his assessment of the game.

[monarch]

On Sportsound prior to the Livvy Hearts game, Neilson seemed to have inherited the “Walter” method of address. “Robbie” this and “Robbie” from the gushing pundits. Stewart never used to call Levein by his first name.

[KeithTheHibby]

Tbh I thought Stewart was bang on in his assessment of the game.

Same here, just watched it. Fair comments from him.

[Iain G]

Tbh I thought Stewart was bang on in his assessment of the game.

He really wasn't! He gave Hibs no credit at all.

[Ryan91]

He really wasn't! He gave Hibs no credit at all.

All about how poor Aberdeen were, no credit given to Hibs for actually putting a poor team to the sword for once.

I wonder what Mr Stewart's comments were like when the Dons got scudded 5-0 at Tynie, no doubt full of praise for that lot tearing the Dons apart.

[Callum_62]

Mikey Stewart saying the county goal was "ridiculous" that it stood

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[HarpOnHibee]

Mikey Stewart saying the county goal was "ridiculous" that it stood

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On the ball as he usually is. :agree:

Michael Stewart - Good guy
Craig Levein - Wan..

[BILLYHIBS]

Both pundits saying Ross County goal should never have stood

Good to see Wright and Halberg both grabbing good goals

Curtis Main looks reinvigorated with the arrival of Tony Watt with a fine double and could be a danger on Saturday

Celtic look unstoppable

Hearts won’t be winning the league anytime soon despite reports to the contrary

[Crunchie]

Mikey Stewart saying the county goal was "ridiculous" that it stood

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He also said McCrorie wasn't a red card :rolleyes:.

I'm all for going back to showing the highlights and no summary from these ex pros in the studio, too many people hang on their word ( not saying you do btw ).

[where'stheslope]

Just watched the highlights of the Hertz V Rankers game, when they showed the stats at the end, it shows Clark red card???
Is this another gaff or is it correct???

[hibsbollah]

I’ve forgotten how bad Sportsound is, haven’t listened to it for a month or so. WillieMiller is an absolute slaver.

[ekhibee]

I got the back end of Sportsound when I was in the car, I really have no time at all for Stewart any more.

[green day]

I got the back end of Sportsound when I was in the car, I really have no time at all for Stewart any more.

Did he say that Hibs didnt deserve the win?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Nah he's just become a hearts sycophant. It's like after he apologised for whatever was said to the Huns he's become a kind of establishment team man.

[Jim44]

In terms of his promising and insightful quality as a pundit, this clown, goes from hero to zero. I can’t stand him.

[Kato]

I’ve forgotten how bad Sportsound is, haven’t listened to it for a month or so. WillieMiller is an absolute slaver.They all agreed that the goal against us in midweek should have stood but didn't let Stewart speak. He had said during the week that he thought it was a foul. Willie Millers reasoning was goalies are too protected these days. So that means it's OK to let a random goal stand when every other day of the week it's a foul.

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[hibsbollah]

They all agreed that the goal against us in midweek should have stood but didn't let Stewart speak. He had said during the week that he thought it was a foul. Willie Millers reasoning was goalies are too protected these days. So that means it's OK to let a random goal stand when every other day of the week it's a foul.

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I was so much happier when I didn’t listen to it. **** knows why I put it on today, they are all bad but Miller especially was talking like a man who had just had major head trauma.

[Libby Hibby]

Dundee United penalty shout not even discussed in the analysis by the pundits, at 1 nil United too.

[Ryan91]

Dundee United penalty shout not even discussed in the analysis by the pundits, at 1 nil United too.

Thought there wasn't much in the Utd red card tbf, wins the ball and carries through on to Halliday, did catch his ankle but didn't look like a malicious foul.

Hearts also got a lucky break with their equaliser, Shankland is offside when the initial cross is posted, but VAR let's it slide.

[Broxburn Greens]

Sorry but did I just hear Thomson right the “The Champions Leauge music should be playing” about Hearts 3rd goal tonight????

Usual sycophantic drivel about Hearts and the they’re world beaters… No balance by citing that the whole Dundee Utd team apart from their keeper are in the Hearts half pressing for an equaliser as Hearts struggled to dispatch 10-man Utd and the reason the opportunity occurs is because the goalie is so far up the pitch as they’re in all out attack mode.

It’s a cracking finish by the boy but the analysis is so one side it’s nauseating.

Oh and pundit for the evening is McCann, how’s that for balance as usual.

[Mcbizz1998]

Who cares lads? We won and if we keep doing it we will shut these twats up soon enough!

[HarpOnHibee]

St Mirren are called "Livingston" now and we're Kilmarnock. :agree:

[Spike Mandela]

The Hearts producer and his control room team there getting themselves in a fanlkle and playing Hibs game by mistake as second last instead of their usual last place slot.:greengrin

[green day]

Sorry but did I just hear Thomson right the “The Champions Leauge music should be playing” about Hearts 3rd goal tonight????

Usual sycophantic drivel about Hearts and the they’re world beaters… No balance by citing that the whole Dundee Utd team apart from their keeper are in the Hearts half pressing for an equaliser as Hearts struggled to dispatch 10-man Utd and the reason the opportunity occurs is because the goalie is so far up the pitch as they’re in all out attack mode.

It’s a cracking finish by the boy but the analysis is so one side it’s nauseating.

Oh and pundit for the evening is McCann, how’s that for balance as usual.

Said it before about BBC Radio too - when Hearts are playing quite often the commentator is Paul Mitchell, god bothering jambo. Pundit? Alan "used to be a hun at school but conveniently now a rabid jambo" Preston. Pitchside mic? Brian McGlaughlin, another Hearts fan.

As you say, they wheel out McCann now and then who is (like Preston) another convert to them.

Hibs? We get John Collins who works on Celtic TV, they used to use Tam McManus, but that was perhaps one Hibby too many.

As mentioned elsewhere, its rumoured that the BBC Sport Scotland producer is a Jambo so is it any wonder there is an implicit and explicit bias in them?

[theonlywayisup]

St Mirren 0-1 Hibernian | Scottish Premiership highlights | Video | Watch TV Show | Sky Sports (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/scottish-premiership/12803458/st-mirren-0-1-hibernian-scottish-premiership-highlights/more/7)

Highlights from yesterday's game :no way:

Apart from the goal, there were none! But great goal from Youan.:not worth

[Carheenlea]

I’m be never understood why people watch Sportscene when the highlights are there to see on the BBC site at your leisure.

I’ve not seen Sportscene for a long time, but sounds like the programme hasn’t changed at all from the boring “less football - more punditry” format so won’t be tuning back in any time soon.

[Tyler Durden]

Dundee United penalty shout not even discussed in the analysis by the pundits, at 1 nil United too.

Yeah no replay of the incident and no VAR image shown to prove Shankland was onside.

Makes us sound paranoid but why not show this footage?

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Describing Youan's excellent goal as a 'toe poke'. Phuds.

[SideBurns]

For a bit of balance, nice touch on Sportscene to discuss Lewis reaching the record yesterday, and great praise from Neil McCann in particular. I don't actually mind McCann, think he's pretty fair.

[McGruber]

Yeah no replay of the incident and no VAR image shown to prove Shankland was onside.

Makes us sound paranoid but why not show this footage?

They freezed the picture for their equalizer and Shankland is the closest player to the goal and he's just offside. Not much in it at all but looks to be marginally off. No lines up, just the comment 'you can see he's not offside'.

It's crazy to think we have been awful and they have been good in the league yet there's 8 points between us. VAR robbed us of 2 at Ross County and clear penalty St Mirren at Tynecastle in last minute 1 nil down - 2 obvious VAR decisions and it could easily have been 4 points.

I think, not just VAR, but wrong VAR has cost us more - handball at ibrox and at least draw the match. Soft penalty for Killie and VAR offside against us less than Shankland off last night.

If it wasn't solely for bad VAR calls we could have been level or there about with them. Not to say we have been as good or we are better than them - we are not. The 2 derbies proved that. In terms of where we are in the league though it's fine margins, with those margins being corrupt

[Allant1981]

Describing Youan's excellent goal as a 'toe poke'. Phuds.

It was!!