Derby match in doubt

[degenerated]

It's not being at your seat in the ground that is the problem. It's the additional footfall on transport, in bars etc pre and post match. Why can't people see this? :confused:It's also the requirement for emergency services, which are also already stretched.

[Bothar Casca]

There will be mass gatherings of well over 200 people INDOORS at the big shopping malls in Edinburgh Glasgow Dundee etc... that doesn't count ??

Yes it counts and guidance was issued by the government regarding that as well. The difference is shopping can be spread out over a larger area and a MUCH larger period of time.

Whereas with mass gatherings it’s a MUCH higher volume of bodies all condensed into a MUCH shorter space of time.

[Steven79]

They're not traveling to congregate at the same pub, restaurant, cafe, shop etc at the same time.

Which is probably worse as they will spread it far further than people that are all going to the same place (Easter Road)

[Helensburghhibs]

It's also the requirement for emergency services, which are also already stretched.

Why are they stretched? And can they deal with tomorrow nights games alright? If so what changes before Sunday?

[The dalmeny]

There will be mass gatherings of well over 200 people INDOORS at the big shopping malls in Edinburgh Glasgow Dundee etc... that doesn't count ??

How long are you likely to stand beside the same person in a shop

[Hibbyradge]

So that’s it for civilisation then? Every new variant, it’s back to lockdown?

We’ve tried lockdown, doesn’t work. Tried circuit breakers, not much success. I don’t have the answers but continually doing the same thing with same outcome, something different has to be tried.

It'll depend on the severity of the variants and what state our precautions are in. There are antiviral drugs around the corner and vaccines are being improved all the time.

[degenerated]

Why are they stretched? And can they deal with tomorrow nights games alright? If so what changes before Sunday?Why do you think they might be stretched?

[Helensburghhibs]

100% with you here, this 'nippy hates football' (and I don't like her) does my head in

If you were to bet .... how many do you think will be at the 6 nations first week in Feb?

[Helensburghhibs]

Why do you think they might be stretched?

It was a serious question? What is making them more stretched on Sunday compared to tomorrow?

[Steven79]

If you were to bet .... how many do you think will be at the 6 nations first week in Feb?

Full house!

[Bothar Casca]

It's also the requirement for emergency services, which are also already stretched.

A very important point. It’s mandatory to have an ambulance and a police presence at every Scottish Premiership match. I believe it’s also mandatory for at least one ambulance at championship matches as well. So that’s likely around 10 ambulances off the road at a time the NHS is already struggling.

[Steven79]

It was a serious question? What is making them more stretched on Sunday compared to tomorrow?

It's just another line that people like to repeat without any proof.

[Steven79]

A very important point. It’s mandatory to have an ambulance and a police presence at every Scottish Premiership match. I believe it’s also mandatory for at least one ambulance at championship matches as well. So that’s likely around 10 ambulances off the road at a time the NHS is already struggling.

So they haven't been missed from August till December but from the 26th they will suddenly be needed?

[Hibs90]

So they haven't been missed from August till December but from the 26th they will suddenly be needed?

How do you know they weren't missed?

[Helensburghhibs]

A very important point. It’s mandatory to have an ambulance and a police presence at every Scottish Premiership match. I believe it’s also mandatory for at least one ambulance at championship matches as well. So that’s likely around 10 ambulances off the road at a time the NHS is already struggling.

We use St John's ambulance rather than NHS ones as far as I'm aware. Just like other events large and small. Thus doesn't remove ambulances from the streets

[Hibbyradge]

I don’t think people should be dismissive of the positive effect getting to go to the football has on a lot of peoples mental health.

People maybe are acting irrationally just now and in the cold light of day when things settle down people may see it differently but for now i get the anger. People just want to live their normal lives, this isn’t sustainable any more I don’t think.

I’m no expert on the matter but If anybody is struggling with this set back today, I hope you’re ok, speak to likeminded people and vent away. Even if it is irrational.

Close season must be a real challenge if a 3 week break is dangerous.

Sorry, Bingo, that does sound flippant, but I think too much is being made of it. Games are regularly called off because of weather etc, sometimes week after week, but this issue is never raised.

[degenerated]

A very important point. It’s mandatory to have an ambulance and a police presence at every Scottish Premiership match. I believe it’s also mandatory for at least one ambulance at championship matches as well. So that’s likely around 10 ambulances off the road at a time the NHS is already struggling.And how many police require to be there, all of which exposes risk to a critical sector with finite resource.

[Bothar Casca]

It was a serious question? What is making them more stretched on Sunday compared to tomorrow?

There’s no argument to be made that COVID is less potent tomorrow than it is on Boxing Day. It’s a very poor straw man argument. The government has to give notice about these restrictions being out in place and has struck a a balance between giving notice and cancelling the events.

[Steven79]

How do you know they weren't missed?

Why not make a big deal of it before then?

Won't they be missed tomorrow night as well?

[Bothar Casca]

We use St John's ambulance rather than NHS ones as far as I'm aware. Just like other events large and small. Thus doesn't remove ambulances from the streets

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but the mandatory ambulance and paramedics are NHS, the supplementary ones are St Johns.

[Helensburghhibs]

The ambulances are private, the police are payd by the club and equipped to deal with events. Nothing has changed as far as I can see to cause them to struggle

[greenlex]

So they haven't been missed from August till December but from the 26th they will suddenly be needed?
I’m guessing projected infection rises, subsequent absences and other festive pressures but to say they are suddenly needed is just flippant. Anyone who hasn’t had their head up their arse know the pressures that the ambulance service in particular have faced recently.chuck in policing too.

[Bothar Casca]

In terms of football, there’s a simple-ish solution. Bring the winter break forward. Play the postponed games at the end of January.

[The Harp Awakes]

Sadiq Khan runs Sturgeon close to being the worst grandstanding politician in the UK. London has functioned just fine- it’s the foolish politicians who are ruining our society with mad lockdowns and track and trace nonsense resulting in absenteeism . There is no emergency here outside the imagination of politicians - just back from a splendid luncheon at the splendid Fredricks N1 - rammed and some fine wine. Very upset that my young son will miss his first ever derby. Insane

So politicians are just dreaming this stuff up are they? Get a grip. I think it's your post that's insane.

[greenlex]

In terms of football, there’s a simple-ish solution. Bring the winter break forward. Play the postponed games at the end of January.
This is the best solution but the fat cat tv companies need to be cool with it. I have my doubts but they better be discussing it.

[the tornadoe]

Yes it counts and guidance was issued by the government regarding that as well. The difference is shopping can be spread out over a larger area and a MUCH larger period of time.

Whereas with mass gatherings it’s a MUCH higher volume of bodies all condensed into a MUCH shorter space of time.

Yes.... AND they are outside in the fresh air !

[Helensburghhibs]

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but the mandatory ambulance and paramedics are NHS, the supplementary ones are St Johns.

Where did you get this info? I have spoken to someone I know who works the games for St John's and as far as he is aware their ambulance Is the only one there. It is the same for motor racing I go to that requires an ambulance

[hibbysam]

Shops do have measures/restrictions on their business too.

Not really comparable. Limited numbers at one time but multiple shops. Hibs can only host one game in one location and have a maximum of 500 for that.

[Steven79]

I’m guessing projected infection rises, subsequent absences and other festive pressures but to say they are suddenly needed is just flippant. Anyone who hasn’t had their head up their arse know the pressures that the ambulance service in particular have faced recently.

Why not restrict crowds before this then?

And it's not just football but rugby and concerts have all needed emergency services on standby.

[Bothar Casca]

The ambulances are private, the police are payd by the club and equipped to deal with events. Nothing has changed as far as I can see to cause them to struggle

All emergency services are struggling with staffing levels just now and are already stretched thin. Whether they club pays for them is irrelevant.

[Hibs90]

Why not make a big deal of it before then?

Won't they be missed tomorrow night as well?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/firefighters-step-in-as-delays-leave-scottish-ambulance-crews-stretched-k0b97vkhr
https://www.scotsman.com/health/covid-scotland-army-asked-to-support-ambulance-service-as-sturgeon-denies-crisis-nicola-sturgeon-says-staff-under-acute-pressure-and-apologises-for-unacceptable-long-waits-3385468
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/seriously-ill-patient-waits-36-22234377

Just a few examples. The media have certainly made a big deal of it.

[Helensburghhibs]

All emergency services are struggling with staffing levels just now and are already stretched thin. Whether they club pays for them is irrelevant.

Are they . Never seen the police have any issues covering events all year

[Islington Hibs]

A very important point. It’s mandatory to have an ambulance and a police presence at every Scottish Premiership match. I believe it’s also mandatory for at least one ambulance at championship matches as well. So that’s likely around 10 ambulances off the road at a time the NHS is already struggling.

The NHS is struggling because of the stupid rules. It has had billions, literally , thrown at it and it is not fit for purpose. Not the fault of the staff but the bureaucracy and political rules. It’s a wasteful and inefficient Goliath that we are told to clap. No thanks. Test and protect or what ever it is called is a recipe for absenteeism largely not caused by sickness but by stupidity.

This has gone on for two years. There are no excuses this is insanity and it is killing our society from football to music to friendships to school education for a disease, tragic as it is, that kills 1 in 560 who get it and even then almost none outside high risk groups. How dare politicians behave like this. They are acting well beyond legitimate authority

[greenlex]

We use St John's ambulance rather than NHS ones as far as I'm aware. Just like other events large and small. Thus doesn't remove ambulances from the streets
I suppose they’re just sitting on their arse in a wee bubble waiting for football games to attend and aren’t affected by anything that public are. Can’t say I’ve noticed it’s St. John’s. Pardon my ignorance but is it not St Andrews up here?

[worcesterhibby]

All emergency services are struggling with staffing levels just now and are already stretched thin. Whether they club pays for them is irrelevant.

Why would the Police be stretched ? what extra work do they do ?

[wookie70]

Looking at South Africa. In July when their last peak was the tallest the spike was 26645 cases and 10 days later they had their tallest spike for deaths with 633 deaths on the 13th July. On 10 December there were 19017 cases and 10 days later there were 105 deaths. The peak for their Omicron spike in cases was 12 December so will be interesting to see what the death figure is in 2 days. South Africa has less than a quarter of its citizens vaccinated, health care is far worse, life expectancy much lower and a population similar to the UK and yet a peak of 105 deaths for Omicron. We had more than 105 deaths every week day last week and Omicron isn't close to peaking yet.

[bringbackbenny]

The NHS is struggling because of the stupid rules. It has had billions, literally , thrown at it and it is not fit for purpose. Not the fault of the staff but the bureaucracy and political rules. It’s a wasteful and inefficient Goliath that we are told to clap. No thanks. Test and protect or what ever it is called is a recipe for absenteeism largely not caused by sickness but by stupidity.

This has gone on for two years. There are no excuses this is insanity and it is killing our society from football to music to friendships to school education for a disease, tragic as it is, that kills 1 in 560 who get it and even then almost none outside high risk groups. How dare politicians behave like this. They are acting well beyond legitimate authority

Lets hope you or your family are not one of your quoted figure of 1 in 560 then. 122k your data.

[greenlex]

Why not restrict crowds before this then?

And it's not just football but rugby and concerts have all needed emergency services on standby.
The variant is a little over 3 weeks old and even now we don’t know for certain outcomes. When would you like them restricted?

[Helensburghhibs]

I suppose they’re just sitting on their arse in a wee bubble waiting for football games to attend and aren’t affected by anything that public are. Can’t say I’ve noticed it’s St. John’s. Pardon my ignorance but is it not St Andrews up here?

It could well be up here. It used to be named st johns but may have changed. Yes they basically do sit on their hands until they are hired. That is the nature of their business

[greenlex]

Why would the Police be stretched ? what extra work do they do ?
More absence and then dealing with all that the festive period brings on top of everything else they normally deal with.

[Pretty Boy]

Do people still do that stuff ?

If the traffic passing the top of my street on the way to Fort Kinanird on a typical boxing day, or any Saturday really, is anything to go by then yes.

There's usually a queue starting outside Next about 4am.

[greenlex]

It could well be up here. It used to be named st johns but may have changed. Yes they basically do sit on their hands until they are hired. That is the nature of their business
They’re volunteers. They do more than football :aok:

[Skol]

The variant is a little over 3 weeks old and even now we don’t know for certain outcomes. When would you like them restricted?

The question I have is Why Now ? Or why Boxing Day really.

Nothing has really changed in the last few days as far as I can see and this decision could have been made a week ago based on what we knew then. 50k of us going to Hampden on Sunday was no different a risk.

[Billy Whizz]

The variant is a little over 3 weeks old and even now we don’t know for certain outcomes. When would you like them restricted?

Swinney just said on Radio Scotland, in hindsight Sunday should possibly have been cancelled, yet he’s allowing 3 games to go ahead tomorrow night

[Helensburghhibs]

They’re volunteers. They do more than football :aok:

I am fully aware of that but you are painting it like we are raking them away from nhs. They cover events ? What's your point caller?

[HH81]

The variant is a little over 3 weeks old and even now we don’t know for certain outcomes. When would you like them restricted?

The issue you have got is if this is bad variant it is too late now and deaths will be massive.

Restrictions after Xmas won't help and we're screwed.

The first week is the time to make decisions or just let it ride. Not panic half way through causing frustration to some groups of people and no impact to others depending on your hobbies or work environments.

[greenlex]

The question I have is Why Now ? Or why Boxing Day really.

Nothing has really changed in the last few days as far as I can see and this decision could have been made a week ago based on what we knew then. 50k of us going to Hampden on Sunday was no different a risk.
I agree with all of your points but if it has to happen it has to happen at one point. My opinion is it should have happened at Jesse two weeks ago if not three. I could just imagine the reaction if it was.

[Skol]

The issue you have got is if this is bad variant it is too late now and deaths will be massive.

Restrictions after Xmas won't help and we're screwed.

The first week is the time to make decisions or just let it ride. Not panic half way through causing frustration to some groups of people and no impact to others depending on your hobbies or work environments.

I agree, and the right decision to make would have been to ask(tell) us not to gather in our houses at Christmas. Thats where the risk is and the virus will be spread

[greenlex]

The issue you have got is if this is bad variant it is too late now and deaths will be massive.

Restrictions after Xmas won't help and we're screwed.

The first week is the time to make decisions or just let it ride. Not panic half way through causing frustration to some groups of people and no impact to others depending on your hobbies or work environments.
Agree but damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I’m glad I’m not making the decisions.

[Bothar Casca]

Why would the Police be stretched ? what extra work do they do ?

It’s not about extra work. They (as well as ambulance services, volunteer or otherwise) are at higher risk of coming into contact with someone who has covid. As such, they contract covid at a higher rate than those in other sectors.

For example, a bus of 15 police officers travelled to hampden on Sunday. They policed the match but one of them caught covid during the course of carrying out their duties but didn’t know. They bundled into the bus after the game and went about their day. Those 15 officers could all now have covid and will need to isolate. Meaning they can’t work.

This is happening all over the country resulting in a significant decrease in the amount of available resource.

[Islington Hibs]

Lets hope you or your family are not one of your quoted figure of 1 in 560 then. 122k your data.

Of course I hope not and I equally hope the same for your and other families but frankly there is risk in life and there sure is risk in locking down in terms of meant all health, education, friendships, employment, missed cancer scans the lot. One football match does not matter but two years of this is insane and no account has been made of the hidden social costs of lockdown simply a one dimensional approach.

[JeMeSouviens]

Swinney just said on Radio Scotland, in hindsight Sunday should possibly have been cancelled, yet he’s allowing 3 games to go ahead tomorrow night

God he really doesn't help himself at times. Restrictions might or might not be justified but wtf has hindsight got to do with it? The picture has barely changed. :rolleyes:

[ardecos]

I don’t think people should be dismissive of the positive effect getting to go to the football has on a lot of peoples mental health.


I don't know. A last-minute Hearts winner from a dodgy penalty wouldn't do much for my mental health. :boo hoo:

[Hibbyradge]

You asked me what I would do. I wouldn't target fans to drop footfall for one. We are no less important than Christmas shoppers or people going up town for meals

We're not less important but football is less important than shopping, football and transport.

Then you've got the economy and people's livelihoods to think about.

It's crap that it's come to this, but if it slows the spread of such a lethal virus, then it'll be worth it.

It's a pointless circular argument now, so I'll try to follow my own advice and leave it there.

No-one is persuading anyone to the other view. Have as good a Christmas and New Year as possible. 👍

[Helensburghhibs]

It’s not about extra work. They (as well as ambulance services, volunteer or otherwise) are at higher risk of coming into contact with someone who has covid. As such, they contract covid at a higher rate than those in other sectors.

For example, a bus of 15 police officers travelled to hampden on Sunday. They policed the match but one of them caught covid during the course of carrying out their duties but didn’t know. They bundled into the bus after the game and went about their day. Those 15 officers could all now have covid and will need to isolate. Meaning they can’t work.

This is happening all over the country resulting in a significant decrease in the amount of available resource.

And we have got to the issue finally. How many of those 15 are fit to work? If masks and vaccines make transmission risk low like they say they do , why do 15 fit young guys/girls need to sit in the house for 10 days

[DIXIHIBS]

Apparently celtic have just asked for games to be postponed and not behind closed doors. We'll see how that works out.

[greenlex]

I am fully aware of that but you are painting it like we are raking them away from nhs. They cover events ? What's your point caller?
They are currently helping out the stretched NHS. Of course we are taking them away from essential services. They are an auxiliary volunteer service used in times of need.

[Helensburghhibs]

We're not less important but football is less important than shopping, football and transport.

Then you've got the economy and people's livelihoods to think about.

It's crap that it's come to this, but if it slows the spread of such a lethal virus, then it'll be worth it.

It's a pointless circular argument now, so I'll try to follow my own advice and leave it there.

No-one is persuading anyone to the other view. Have as good a Christmas and New Year as possible. 👍

Yeah thats the stage I'm at as well hibbyradge. All the best to you and yours 👍

[CropleyWasGod]

And we have got to the issue finally. How many of those 15 are fit to work? If masks and vaccines make transmission risk low like they say they do , why do 15 fit young guys/girls need to sit in the house for 10 days

They wouldn't have been exposed to the risk had the game been off.

That would have allowed them to continue to work and do (arguably more important) police work.

[Bothar Casca]

And we have got to the issue finally. How many of those 15 are fit to work? If masks and vaccines make transmission risk low like they say they do , why do 15 fit young guys/girls need to sit in the house for 10 days

They don’t. The ones who have COVID do. The ones who are close contacts only have to isolate until they return a negative PCR test.

[bringbackbenny]

Of course I hope not and I equally hope the same for your and other families but frankly there is risk in life and there sure is risk in locking down in terms of meant all health, education, friendships, employment, missed cancer scans the lot. One football match does not matter but two years of this is insane and no account has been made of the hidden social costs of lockdown simply a one dimensional approach.

Of course and I agree its a blunt tool and questions should anr must be asked. But whether we like it or not the NHS and emergency services are, once again, under unsustainable pressure and tough calls to be made, not enviable or easy.

Wish it was easy to reverse decades of under investment (:

[Hibs90]

In football news.

Celtic have asked their games are postponed and St.Mirren too as they have more positive tests.

Surely even the clowns at the SPFL will see sense here and bring the winter break forward?

[bringbackbenny]

In football news.

Celtic have asked their games are postponed and St.Mirren too as they have more positive tests.

Surely even the clowns at the SPFL will see sense here and bring the winter break forward?

Think Sky would also have to agree, hopefully they'll see sense as well.

[Sir David Gray]

Why would the Police be stretched ? what extra work do they do ?

Covering 999 calls which are meant for the ambulance service but no-one from there is able to attend for hours so the police are sent instead.

[hibbysam]

Covering 999 calls which are meant for the ambulance service but no-one from there is able to attend for hours so the police are sent instead.

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.

[greenlex]

And we have got to the issue finally. How many of those 15 are fit to work? If masks and vaccines make transmission risk low like they say they do , why do 15 fit young guys/girls need to sit in the house for 10 days
To slow down transmission if they are infected. That’s why it’s in place.If the game had been cancelled or played with no crowd they wouldn’t be sitting in the house and doing more productive policing.It’s that simple.
what if they didn’t isolate and infected another 15 and then this 15 did the same? How long before the. Whole force is sick?

[GreenCastle]

Hibs will lose ££ here - they need to make sure they are compensated as a minimum.

The sensible idea is to move the game but it’s Scottish football so who knows.

[Hibs90]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.

I'm not sure of the exact details but it does happen or has happened.

[GlasgowHibs]

Bring the winter break forward. Seems the sensible idea but when has common sense been prevalent within the SPFL?

[GreenPJ]

Of course I hope not and I equally hope the same for your and other families but frankly there is risk in life and there sure is risk in locking down in terms of meant all health, education, friendships, employment, missed cancer scans the lot. One football match does not matter but two years of this is insane and no account has been made of the hidden social costs of lockdown simply a one dimensional approach.

That is not true. All the respective Governments as well as society at large are aware of the hidden/not so hidden costs of lockdown whether that be financial, health, mental health and the myriad of other issues this has caused. They can't be undone now and will need to be addressed as we move forward. I would argue its these range of issues that has caused paralysis in some of the decision making process. As someone said previously they are damned if they do and damned if they don't which is why ultimately no one else wants Sturgeon/Johnson/Rakeford's jobs at the moment because its a poisoned chalice.

[greenlex]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.
Multiple times!!! I’m glad I dont Know you. :greengrin

[norhfc]

Here in Norway our pubs and basically every event/Xmas do has been shut down for the last two weeks now. Doesn’t help but you all have my sympathy.

[HH81]

Sky arnt going to agree to moving the games - will want them on for new year and also will see with no fans in might get some extra sign ups.

[Helensburghhibs]

To slow down transmission if they are infected. That’s why it’s in place.If the game had been cancelled or played with no crowd they wouldn’t be sitting in the house and doing more productive policing.It’s that simple.
what if they didn’t isolate and infected another 15 and then this 15 did the same? How long before the. Whole force is sick?

Whole force is sick? Scaremongering at its finest. There's a difference between having the virus and being "sick". Anyway as others have said this Is going round in circles so bst I bow out.

Merry Christmas and hopefully a successful 2022 for the hibs

[Just_Jimmy]

It's time they said the vaccine is mandatory.

Why should someone who's chosen to have 3 vaccines for their own and everyone else's sake have their liberty impacted continuously under the guise of protecting the NHS from the self serving pricks who haven't bothered to have a vaccine?

If that's you, then I'm not sorry, get the vaccine and stop being a selfish ****

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[Smartie]

Apparently celtic have just asked for games to be postponed and not behind closed doors. We'll see how that works out.

I have a hunch that Rangers will quite fancy playing their derby in an empty Celtic Park... and that a statement containing the usual will drop shortly.

Then it might get interesting.

Although - I guess Rangers will probably miss out on a full Ibrox or two - which they can scarcely afford to do?

[GreenPJ]

Sky arnt going to agree to moving the games - will want them on for new year and also will see with no fans in might get some extra sign ups.

So the sensible outcome is being determined by a multi-nationals profits.

[Just_Jimmy]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.Usually mental health calls. Yes it happens.

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[greenlex]

Whole force is sick? Scaremongering at its finest. There's a difference between having the virus and being "sick". Anyway as others have said this Is going round in circles so bst I bow out.

Merry Christmas and hopefully a successful 2022 for the hibs
Scaremongering?:faf::faf::faf::faf: I’m emphasising why restrictions are in place and being brought in. Fact.
merry Christmas and all the best buddy. :aok::thumbsup:

[A Hi-Bee]

Whole force is sick? Scaremongering at its finest. There's a difference between having the virus and being "sick". Anyway as others have said this Is going round in circles so bst I bow out.

Merry Christmas and hopefully a successful 2022 for the hibs

The polis have been pretty sick, for as long as I can remember, they also do like the overtime days.
:greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

It's time they said the vaccine is mandatory.

Why should someone who's chosen to have 3 vaccines for their own and everyone else's sake have their liberty impacted continuously under the guise of protecting the NHS from the self serving pricks who haven't bothered to have a vaccine?

If that's you, then I'm not sorry, get the vaccine and stop being a selfish ****

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:top marks:aok:

[Helensburghhibs]

Scaremongering?:faf::faf::faf::faf: I’m emphasising why restrictions are in place and being brought in. Fact.

You honestly believe a force of people, who by their very nature contain very few who are vulnerable to covid and who must pa's a minimum fitness standard would all get sick? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 fact my arse 😄 🤣

[Billy Whizz]

Sky arnt going to agree to moving the games - will want them on for new year and also will see with no fans in might get some extra sign ups.

They can’t do a thing if the games are postponed if the clubs have Covid issues

[GreenCastle]

It's time they said the vaccine is mandatory.

Why should someone who's chosen to have 3 vaccines for their own and everyone else's sake have their liberty impacted continuously under the guise of protecting the NHS from the self serving pricks who haven't bothered to have a vaccine?

If that's you, then I'm not sorry, get the vaccine and stop being a selfish ****

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You will NEVER get everyone vaccinated. It just won’t happen.

Several kids (parents choice) and anti Vax people won’t get vaccinated.

You have to remember there is a high % already double jabbed and even with booster but this still doesn’t seem to be enough.

What’s the point then ?

The nonsense of protecting the NHS just isn’t good enough anymore.

Even the elderly and some vulnerable are getting fed up - especially those with not long to live.

Don’t forget all the other treatments and operations being delayed and it’s a total mess.

[LunasBoots]

Sky arnt going to agree to moving the games - will want them on for new year and also will see with no fans in might get some extra sign ups.

Yup we've seen it before, games held to ransom by a TV company set for a big payday.

[Bothar Casca]

You honestly believe a force of people, who by their very nature contain very few who are vulnerable to covid and who must pa's a minimum fitness standard would all get sick? �� �� �� �� fact my arse �� ��

Scoring a 5.4 on a bleep test and passing a corrected eye test doesn’t make any more or less immune to COVID.

It doesn’t need the whole force to be sick. It just needs a percentage of the available resource to be reduced to make a significant difference.

Couple that with sending another percentage of that same resource to a non essential event like a football match and there’s potential for some very real issues.

[Aldo]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.

Yes it is! This will depend on the nature of the call and the Ambulance service will triage calls and where necessary ask for the assistance of the other emergency services if it is serous enough and no ambulance crew are available or have to travel a distance to call!


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[Hibbyradge]

You will NEVER get everyone vaccinated. It just won’t happen.

Several kids (parents choice) and anti Vax people won’t get vaccinated.

You have to remember there is a high % already double jabbed and even with booster but this still doesn’t seem to be enough.

What’s the point then ?

The nonsense of protecting the NHS just isn’t good enough anymore.

Even the elderly and some vulnerable are getting fed up - especially those with not long to live.

Don’t forget all the other treatments and operations being delayed and it’s a total mess.

You know that elective surgery and non-essential appointments are delayed because of the number of Covid patients and staff isolating?

Apologies if I've misunderstood your post.

[wookie70]

It's time they said the vaccine is mandatory.

Why should someone who's chosen to have 3 vaccines for their own and everyone else's sake have their liberty impacted continuously under the guise of protecting the NHS from the self serving pricks who haven't bothered to have a vaccine?

If that's you, then I'm not sorry, get the vaccine and stop being a selfish ****

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Scottish Ministers allowing football tomorrow whilst admitting teh cup final should have maybe been postponed - selfish ***
Have you been to a pub during Covid - selfish ***
Have you went to work when you could work from home - selfish ***
Have you went to a football ground - selfish ***
Have you jumped on a bus when you could have walked - selfish ***
Have you had any family or mates round your house - selfish ***

There are countless ways that covid will spread. Vaccinations have worked very well in terms of death and hospitalisation but regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not you have to be in proximity to someone else to pass it on. Every time you are there is a potential for you to be a selfish ***. Why is it only the unvaccinated you seem to target. Some of who live very solitary lives to protect themselves and others.

I have had 3 jags. I view it as important for my health but I equally try and limit contact with others as that is just as important. Hibs games are one of the few risks I take(selfish ***) and they are one of the very few times I contact those out with my immediate family. My son is double jagged and works in retail contacting lots of people daily - selfish *** and my wife works in wedding clothing measuring people and making dresses - selfish *** so they may well bring it into the house. My daughter is in education selfish *** and is by far the most likely to bring it into my house. The government have done a grand job, as they always do, in creating a common enemy. This time it is the unvaccinated rather than Muslims or the disabled or the unemployed. It works brilliantly to stop people looking to closely at the Government performance as it is easier to blame the enemy.

[Helensburghhibs]

Scoring a 5.4 on a bleep test and passing a corrected eye test doesn’t make any more or less immune to COVID.

I agree the standards are not anywhere near high enough but they are standards at least that mean some form of physical fitness.

[A Hi-Bee]

You honestly believe a force of people, who by their very nature contain very few who are vulnerable to covid and who must pa's a minimum fitness standard would all get sick? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 fact my arse 😄 🤣

Do you think that covid picks and chooses who it attacks? as for minimum fitness ha bloody ha, perhaps 40 years ago but I would still back myself to outrun them and I aint no spring chicken.
:greengrin:greengrin

[hibbysam]

Do you think that covid picks and chooses who it attacks? as for minimum fitness ha bloody ha, perhaps 40 years ago but I would still back myself to outrun them and I aint no spring chicken.
:greengrin:greengrin

It doesn’t pick and choose who it hits, but anyone without any health conditions have a tiny % chance of becoming seriously ill with it.

[Bothar Casca]

I agree the standards are not anywhere near high enough but they are standards at least that mean some form of physical fitness.

Again, physical fitness doesn’t stop you catching or spreading COVID.

It seems like your suggesting that because the police are able to run for a wee bit, when they get COVID they should keep working. Working with people who are more vulnerable to it. Bringing it in to football stadiums with them to pass it on to potentially hundreds of people. Passing it on to colleagues who may have vulnerable relatives.

but you can’t possibly be suggesting that, because that would just be daft.

Therefore you must be suggesting they isolate. Which is what is happening. Which is why the force is depleted to the tune of several hundred officers a week.

[Hibbyradge]

It doesn’t pick and choose who it hits, but anyone without any health conditions have a tiny % chance of becoming seriously ill with it.

But they can spread it to the millions of people who do have underlying morbidity.

[greenlex]

You honestly believe a force of people, who by their very nature contain very few who are vulnerable to covid and who must pa's a minimum fitness standard would all get sick? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 fact my arse 😄 🤣
No and I never said that either. Part of the reason for restrictions are because they are stretched and we don’t need them more stretched. Fact. I repeat. I asked the question to emphasise the point why it’s being done. It’s not really that difficult.

[Bobby's Cinema]

20 - 29 and done everything asked. Double jabbed with booster on the way. Did not anticipate being back here with restrictions imposed and required to isolate if in close contact even after a negative test. Continue to follow the rules and then some for the people around me but not sure I anticipated living like this after being jabbed.

[hibbysam]

But they can spread it to the millions of people who do have underlying morbidity.

Who will presumably have taken their three jabs, take all other precautions - otherwise they’d be off their rocker. At which point the chances of them falling severely ill with it is extremely low again.

[Hibbyradge]

20 - 29 and done everything asked. Double jabbed with booster on the way. Did not anticipate being back here with restrictions imposed and required to isolate if in close contact even after a negative test. Continue to follow the rules and then some for the people around me but not sure I anticipated living like this after being jabbed.

I don't think anyone did, but along came Omicron.

[hibbysam]

Again, physical fitness doesn’t stop you catching or spreading COVID.

It seems like your suggesting that because the police are able to run for a wee bit, when they get COVID they should keep working. Working with people who are more vulnerable to it. Bringing it in to football stadiums with them to pass it on to potentially hundreds of people. Passing it on to colleagues who may have vulnerable relatives.

but you can’t possibly be suggesting that, because that would just be daft.

Therefore you must be suggesting they isolate. Which is what is happening. Which is why the force is depleted to the tune of several hundred officers a week.

It’s not just the person with covid isolating though is it. Whole households are isolating. Even if the incubation period was 3 days as it was before then get a test then, but we’re told it’s even smaller now so negative tests should still release you.

[Bothar Casca]

Who will presumably have taken their three jabs, take all other precautions - otherwise they’d be off their rocker. At which point the chances of them falling severely ill with it is extremely low again.

Sadly, the police don’t just come into contact with vaccinated people.

[Hibbyradge]

Who will presumably have taken their three jabs, take all other precautions - otherwise they’d be off their rocker. At which point the chances of them falling severely ill with it is extremely low again.

I have a heart condition. I've had all 3 vaccinations and a flu Jag. I don't want to go anywhere near Covid because I might get an unpleasant illness and I might die.

There are millions of others with worse conditions than me. Obviously you don't care, but thankfully the government does.

[hibbysam]

I have a heart condition. I've had all 3 vaccinations and a flu Jag. I don't want to go anywhere near Covid because I might get an unpleasant illness and I might die.

There are millions of others with worse conditions than me. Obviously you don't care, but thankfully the government does.

You could catch it at any time without knowing though. Unfortunately you can’t see covid, and (I’m guessing) the majority of people are asymptomatic. There is no full proof safeguarding and lockdowns have proven over the last 20+ months not to work.

It’s not going away and there is no exit strategy long term.

Again though, after your jabs the chances of you dying are extremely slim.

[Bothar Casca]

It’s not just the person with covid isolating though is it. Whole households are isolating. Even if the incubation period was 3 days as it was before then get a test then, but we’re told it’s even smaller now so negative tests should still release you.

Because Omicron stays transmissible for longer, a household contact could get a negative PCR, go back to work, catch Omicron and continue going to work none the wiser.

[hibbysam]

Because Omicron stays transmissible for longer, a household contact could get a negative PCR, go back to work, catch Omicron and continue going to work none the wiser.

Does it? Every covid variant has been 2 days prior to symptoms starting to 10 days after. That’s not changed otherwise isolation times would have changed.

[Bothar Casca]

Nobody is deliberately spreading COVID.

Nobody has ever knowingly given it to someone else.

Nobody ever intended for someone to die as a result of them catching it.

And yet, here we are. Hundreds of thousands dead before their time.

I think it’s important to remember that as fit and healthy as someone may be and as well intentioned as they may be, the virus doesnt care.

[Hibbyradge]

You could catch it at any time without knowing though. Unfortunately you can’t see covid, and (I’m guessing) the majority of people are asymptomatic. There is no full proof safeguarding and lockdowns have proven over the last 20+ months not to work.

It’s not going away and there is no exit strategy long term.

Again though, after your jabs the chances of you dying are extremely slim.

There are no foolproof ways to stop it, but the measures are to lessen the risks.

[Hibs90]

You could catch it at any time without knowing though. Unfortunately you can’t see covid, and (I’m guessing) the majority of people are asymptomatic. There is no full proof safeguarding and lockdowns have proven over the last 20+ months not to work.

It’s not going away and there is no exit strategy long term.

Again though, after your jabs the chances of you dying are extremely slim.

The reason they "don't work" is because people have been against it from the start. Those who refuse to be vaccinated (I'm not going to get into a vaccine debate here) and refuse to follow the guidelines are putting others at risk.

Can you imagine if every single person in this country was all fully vaccinated and had followed the guidelines from the start? I wonder where we would be now. Probably in much less of a precarious situation.

[Just_Jimmy]

Scottish Ministers allowing football tomorrow whilst admitting teh cup final should have maybe been postponed - selfish ***
Have you been to a pub during Covid - selfish ***
Have you went to work when you could work from home - selfish ***
Have you went to a football ground - selfish ***
Have you jumped on a bus when you could have walked - selfish ***
Have you had any family or mates round your house - selfish ***

There are countless ways that covid will spread. Vaccinations have worked very well in terms of death and hospitalisation but regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not you have to be in proximity to someone else to pass it on. Every time you are there is a potential for you to be a selfish ***. Why is it only the unvaccinated you seem to target. Some of who live very solitary lives to protect themselves and others.

I have had 3 jags. I view it as important for my health but I equally try and limit contact with others as that is just as important. Hibs games are one of the few risks I take(selfish ***) and they are one of the very few times I contact those out with my immediate family. My son is double jagged and works in retail contacting lots of people daily - selfish *** and my wife works in wedding clothing measuring people and making dresses - selfish *** so they may well bring it into the house. My daughter is in education selfish *** and is by far the most likely to bring it into my house. The government have done a grand job, as they always do, in creating a common enemy. This time it is the unvaccinated rather than Muslims or the disabled or the unemployed. It works brilliantly to stop people looking to closely at the Government performance as it is easier to blame the enemy.

Every example you give is a normal life and none of it is selfish if its within the rules.

How are your wife or son selfish for going to work?

The answer to your questions is mostly no. Apart from work because I can't work from home and I didn't ever break the lockdown rules, I've followed the restrictions including not coming to Scotland for almost a year despite finding out my mum had a terminal illness.

The fact is we get told these continued restrictions on our lives is because the NHS will be overwhelmed and yet we're also told the majority in hospital with covid are unvaccinated...



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[Bothar Casca]

Does it? Every covid variant has been 2 days prior to symptoms starting to 10 days after. That’s not changed otherwise isolation times would have changed.

Isolation times have changed. Households now isolate for 10 days. You said it yourself! :rolleyes:

[hibbysam]

Isolation times have changed. Households now isolate for 10 days. You said it yourself! :rolleyes:

I had covid during the summer, I isolated for 10 days as that was the duration of potential transmission - regardless of this the rest of my house just had to test negative to get out.

If I had covid now I would still have to isolate for 10 days. That’s because the transmission time is still 10 days. That’s not changed.

The fact it’s transmission is quicker than all other variants so far should say early tests would be more accurate now than it ever was.

[wookie70]

Do you think that covid picks and chooses who it attacks? as for minimum fitness ha bloody ha, perhaps 40 years ago but I would still back myself to outrun them and I aint no spring chicken.
:greengrin:greengrin

No but the health and age of who gets it is the biggest factor in who dies. The police will generally be young and fitter than the average citizen.

Rather than shutting football and other events down to attendees they could restrict it by age or stop any contact with any old person. That would probably save more lives but isn't really as easy for the populace to swallow. Covid is a multiplying factor in death. It takes what you have and makes it worse, just like flu or pneumonia etc. This is an interesting read (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00086-7/fulltext) and is a massive study so should be pretty reliable. The most interesting thing for me is that the BAME community seem far more effected by covid. My unscientific view of that is they are more likely to be in care jobs and situations that involve long contacts with others inside a building. Much like gathering round as an extended family at Christmas

[Bothar Casca]

I had covid during the summer, I isolated for 10 days as that was the duration of potential transmission - regardless of this the rest of my house just had to test negative to get out.

If I had covid now I would still have to isolate for 10 days. That’s because the transmission time is still 10 days. That’s not changed.

And your household would also need to isolate with you, regardless of PCR results for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.

[hibbysam]

And your household would also need to isolate with you, regardless of PCR results for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.

That’s the whole point though, your saying it stays transmissible for longer hence the change, which is completely false as things stand - if it stayed transmissible for longer you would have to isolate for longer when you tested positive.

[Chorley Hibee]

So the sensible outcome is being determined by a multi-nationals profits.

Quelle Surprise

[Allant1981]

And your household would also need to isolate with you, regardless of PCR results for the reasons highlighted in my previous post.

Unless they work for the nhs😉

[Bothar Casca]

That’s the whole point though, your saying it stays transmissible for longer hence the change, which is completely false as things stand - if it stayed transmissible for longer you would have to isolate for longer when you tested positive.

Transmissible for longer within the 10 days.

We don’t have exact figures to attach percentages or anything but it is FAR more likely a household contact could catch Omicron on, for example Day 8, than it was with the previous variants.

I apologise if I didn’t word it clearly enough, it’s not so much how long it’s transmissible (10 days) but how high the transmissibility is within those 10 days (Much higher)

[Sir David Gray]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.

Yes I have a relative who has recently retired from Police Scotland it was an almost daily occurrence.

[hibbysam]

Transmissible for longer within the 10 days.

We don’t have exact figures to attach percentages or anything but it is FAR more likely a household contact could catch Omicron on, for example Day 8, than it was with the previous variants.

I apologise if I didn’t word it clearly enough, it’s not so much how long it’s transmissible (10 days) but how high the transmissibility is within those 10 days (Much higher)

Again, that’s not true. It’s much higher transmissibility means your far more likely to catch it on day 1 than day 10.

[Bothar Casca]

Unless they work for the nhs😉

Are NHS staff exempt from the isolation rules?

[Allant1981]

Are NHS staff exempt from the isolation rules?

Yip we can go back to work if we have been vaccinated and have a negative pcr

[Bothar Casca]

Again, that’s not true. It’s much higher transmissibility means your far more likely to catch it on day 1 than day 10.

Your confusing 2 things here.

Day 1 transmission is higher than day 10 transmission with both variants, this is true.

HOWEVER

As each day passes, the transmissibility remains higher with Omicron than it did with previous variants.

More and more people were catching Omicron from household contacts later in the 10 days, than with other variants, and so the rule was changed.

[Bothar Casca]

Yip we can go back to work if we have been vaccinated and have a negative pcr

Even if it’s a household contact?

I presume this is because the NHS is so desperate just now the risk of not having the staff available is much higher?

[wookie70]

Every example you give is a normal life and none of it is selfish if its within the rules.

How are your wife or son selfish for going to work?

The answer to your questions is mostly no. Apart from work because I can't work from home and I didn't ever break the lockdown rules, I've followed the restrictions including not coming to Scotland for almost a year despite finding out my mum had a terminal illness.

The fact is we get told these continued restrictions on our lives is because the NHS will be overwhelmed and yet we're also told the majority in hospital with covid are unvaccinated...



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Choosing whether to have medication is normal life. You seem to think that the rules are what dictates selfish behaviour. There isn't a rule that says you have to be vaccinated so why would you say that group are selfish. I think people should be vaccinated. I have some doubts but the evidence suggests that it is the best course of action. Calling those who at the moment have chosen not to be vaccinated selfish is likely to alienate them further. I haven't heard much about the success of the vaccine passport mandate but, looking at the take up, that is unsurprising as it simply did not work. Forcing a horse to water and calling it names doesn't make it drink.

Incidentally, the vast majority of people with covid are vaccinated, most of those having had their second dose. The vast majority of those in hospital with covid are also vaccinated. You would expect that of course as the vast majority of people are vaccinated. 95% of Scots have anti bodies to covid and that is just from being jagged there are lots more who have them from having had the virus. I just found this document (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf)which gives lots of useful stats and is current and will give you exact figures of the vaccinated and unvaccinated in hospital etc

[Allant1981]

Even if it’s a household contact?

I presume this is because the NHS is so desperate just now the risk of not having the staff available is much higher?

Yes even a household contact

[blackpoolhibs]

It's not being at your seat in the ground that is the problem. It's the additional footfall on transport, in bars etc pre and post match. Why can't people see this? :confused:
Will shoppers not eat or drink when shopping in town, will pubs and restruants be closed/empty?

[Bothar Casca]

Choosing whether to have medication is normal life. You seem to think that the rules are what dictates selfish behaviour. There isn't a rule that says you have to be vaccinated so why would you say that group are selfish. I think people should be vaccinated. I have some doubts but the evidence suggests that it is the best course of action. Calling those who at the moment have chosen not to be vaccinated selfish is likely to alienate them further. I haven't heard much about the success of the vaccine passport mandate but, looking at the take up, that is unsurprising as it simply did not work. Forcing a horse to water and calling it names doesn't make it drink.

Incidentally, the vast majority of people with covid are vaccinated, most of those having had their second dose. The vast majority of those in hospital with covid are also vaccinated. You would expect that of course as the vast majority of people are vaccinated. 95% of Scots have anti bodies to covid and that is just from being jagged there are lots more who have them from having had the virus. I just found this document (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf)which gives lots of useful stats and is current and will give you exact figures of the vaccinated and unvaccinated in hospital etc

I believe that document only has stats for NHS England, but an interesting read nonetheless

[cabbageandribs1875]

should offer this here, heck i'd even get a 4th & 5th covid jag :greengrin




New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has announced a $100 (£75) payment for anyone getting a booster jab before the end of the year.

[hibbysam]

Your confusing 2 things here.

Day 1 transmission is higher than day 10 transmission with both variants, this is true.

HOWEVER

As each day passes, the transmissibility remains higher with Omicron than it did with previous variants.

More and more people were catching Omicron from household contacts later in the 10 days, than with other variants, and so the rule was changed.

Again, that’s not why it was changed. Rules were changed on the 10th December, first case was found 23rd November, by the 5th of December we only had 48 cases. The rules were changed due to the danger of the new variant spreading - not due to transmissions happening more in the last few days of the 10.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Is that really a thing? Multiple times I’ve been in company of people waiting on ambulances for hours, and never have I seen a policeman arrive instead.

My mate was taken to hospital in a police van after he was unwell up town. I know because I went with him to make sure he was alright.

[wookie70]

I believe that document only has stats for NHS England, but an interesting read nonetheless

It is just for England but both them and us have dealt with Covid very similarly. There are 95% of Scots with antibodies though. I read that today on one of the NHS sites and it was specific to Scotland.

[Bothar Casca]

Will shoppers not eat or drink when shopping in town, will pubs and restruants be closed/empty?

There won’t be 20,000 people travelling to and from one shopping centre in the span of a single 3 hour window.

Footfall for a single day for the entirety of Edinburgh retail was around 14,000 pre pandemic.

These last few weeks have actually a week on week decrease in footfall which in unheard of in December.

All this is to say the shops won’t be anywhere near as busy as a football stadium.

[Aldo]

Just heard that Celtic have contacted the SPFL and asked that the Winter Break be brought forward!


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[CentreLine]

I can’t help feeling that the government could have looked more favourably on the safety of football and sports stadia generally if football fans and clubs hadn’t made such a fuss out of not wanting to check vaccine status.
If they hadn’t said they couldn’t do it…. Who knows?

[Bothar Casca]

Again, that’s not why it was changed. Rules were changed on the 10th December, first case was found 23rd November, by the 5th of December we only had 48 cases. The rules were changed due to the danger of the new variant spreading - not due to transmissions happening more in the last few days of the 10.

Can you tell us why it was changed?

What is it about Omicron (if not it’s extended transmissibility) that necessitated a need for the change in household isolation rules?

[LancsHibs]

Complete overreaction by Jimmy Krankie, ruined it for everyone. Beginning to wonder why I bothered getting triple jagged if every time there is a new variant we’re all going to panic and lock down even if it’s a weak as piss. Getting really depressed now.

[pollution]

Complete overreaction by Jimmy Krankie, ruined it for everyone. Beginning to wonder why I bothered getting triple jagged if every time there is a new variant we’re all going to panic and lock down even if it’s a weak as piss. Getting really depressed now.


That sums up the frustration of the whole of the last 18 months. You have all the jabs you were asked to have to stop the variants and now a new variant

arrives and the jabs the government told you to get are useless now. So you start all over again. For how long will the new jab suffice ?

Until the next one ? At some stage we will have to face the unavoidable truth that we have to let nature take its course.

[hibbysam]

Can you tell us why it was changed?

What is it about Omicron (if not it’s extended transmissibility) that necessitated a need for the change in household isolation rules?

Going by sturgeons words it was just the simple increased transmissibility and trying to nip it in the bud before it spread far and wide.

[Sioux]

There will be mass gatherings of well over 200 people INDOORS at the big shopping malls in Edinburgh Glasgow Dundee etc... that doesn't count ??

They're not sitting for 2 hours or so shoulder to shoulder with each other, are they?

Daft comparison.

[hibbysam]

They're not sitting for 2 hours or so shoulder to shoulder with each other, are they?

Daft comparison.

They’re also not outside if in shopping malls and restaurants etc. daft comparison maybe, but arguably (going by Leitch’s latest rants) far less risk of transmission at the football than at indoor settings.

[allezsauzee]

Choosing whether to have medication is normal life. You seem to think that the rules are what dictates selfish behaviour. There isn't a rule that says you have to be vaccinated so why would you say that group are selfish. I think people should be vaccinated. I have some doubts but the evidence suggests that it is the best course of action. Calling those who at the moment have chosen not to be vaccinated selfish is likely to alienate them further. I haven't heard much about the success of the vaccine passport mandate but, looking at the take up, that is unsurprising as it simply did not work. Forcing a horse to water and calling it names doesn't make it drink.

Incidentally, the vast majority of people with covid are vaccinated, most of those having had their second dose. The vast majority of those in hospital with covid are also vaccinated. You would expect that of course as the vast majority of people are vaccinated. 95% of Scots have anti bodies to covid and that is just from being jagged there are lots more who have them from having had the virus. I just found this document (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf)which gives lots of useful stats and is current and will give you exact figures of the vaccinated and unvaccinated in hospital etc

You would expect the majority of people who are hospitalised with Covid to be vaccinated because the most vulnerable people who end with with serious conditions are also the people who have been prioritised in the vaccination program (and normally have the self interest to get themselves jabbed). It's the additional stress placed on the NHS by those people needlessly hospitalised because they haven't been vaccinated and would likely be ok if they had been that is one of the issues here. Ironically, i think this is all going to end up in a National ID card scheme which will make it possible to instantly check someone's vaccine status which I'm sure will be a much bigger evil in the eyes of those who think their own personal choice is much more important than a duty to wider society to help keep the NHS free from unnecessary burden. I'm not in favour of such a scheme but if people insist on not getting jabbed and making fake covid passports then I think it will happen.

[Torto7]

I have a heart condition. I've had all 3 vaccinations and a flu Jag. I don't want to go anywhere near Covid because I might get an unpleasant illness and I might die.

There are millions of others with worse conditions than me. Obviously you don't care, but thankfully the government does.

Well said. Some of the absolute sociopaths in society who would gladly throw tens of thousands to their deaths prematurely will be my abiding memory of this pandemic along with the Manchildren having tantrums like the Krankie chap above.

[H18 SFR]

Complete overreaction by Jimmy Krankie, ruined it for everyone. Beginning to wonder why I bothered getting triple jagged if every time there is a new variant we’re all going to panic and lock down even if it’s a weak as piss. Getting really depressed now.

I think it’s becoming clear there is no point going for boosters and the likes.

[Torto7]

That sums up the frustration of the whole of the last 18 months. You have all the jabs you were asked to have to stop the variants and now a new variant

arrives and the jabs the government told you to get are useless now. So you start all over again. For how long will the new jab suffice ?

Until the next one ? At some stage we will have to face the unavoidable truth that we have to let nature take its course.

Let nature take its course. Disgusting.

[Torto7]

I think it’s becoming clear there is no point going for boosters and the likes.

No point? How about preventing serious illness? Do you get your info from Fox News?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Just heard that Celtic have contacted the SPFL and asked that the Winter Break be brought forward!


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makes sense

[Aldo]

makes sense

Definitely!


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[LunasBoots]

Just heard that Celtic have contacted the SPFL and asked that the Winter Break be brought forward!


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I Also hear Rangers are throwing a spanner in the works and the game should go ahead.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Complete overreaction by Jimmy Krankie, ruined it for everyone. Beginning to wonder why I bothered getting triple jagged if every time there is a new variant we’re all going to panic and lock down even if it’s a weak as piss. Getting really depressed now.

Your Krankie jibe undermines your arguement even if it did have a modicom of sense.

I suppose Wales Drakeford who has gone further will get a nippy nickname from you too? Take your yoon tinted specs off and smell the coffee before Covid takes that sense away from you

[Heisenberg]

Just heard that Celtic have contacted the SPFL and asked that the Winter Break be brought forward!


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Hibs have too. Think I saw another club ask for the same earlier. It makes the most sense.

[greenlex]

Hibs now on board with the Christmas break coming forward.:thumbsup:

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-latest-covid-update

[JohnM1875]

Hibs have too. Think I saw another club ask for the same earlier. It makes the most sense.

St Mirren but think they have more COVID cases.

[Bothar Casca]

They’re also not outside if in shopping malls and restaurants etc. daft comparison maybe, but arguably (going by Leitch’s latest rants) far less risk of transmission at the football than at indoor settings.

The 2 things aren’t comparable in almost any reliable way. Stopping people from shopping etc requires the closure of thousands of businesses, preventing hundreds of thousands from earning a wage.

Preventing mass gatherings above 200 has nowhere near the same impact but protects a large number of people.

A balance needs to be struck.


I think it’s becoming clear there is no point going for boosters and the likes.

The boosters aren’t there to prevent restrictions. They are there so if you do get COVID, it’s less likely to kill you.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hibs now on board with the Christmas break coming forward.:thumbsup:



makes even more sense now :)

[hibbysam]

Hibs now on board with the Christmas break coming forward.:thumbsup:

If the winter break is brought forward, when would it be to? After tomorrows games even though st mirren have asked for it to be off? Or include tomorrows games? I reckon limited crowds are here to stay though, so will just mean a very tight schedule for 2/3 months fitting games in when we can.

Winter break is only 2 weeks yet we can’t have crowds for 3. That would take us up to the week we play cove. Can’t play 3 games that week.

[Basildon Hibs]

I Also hear Rangers are throwing a spanner in the works and the game should go ahead.

This'll be interesting to see who the GFA sides with...🤔

[BoomtownHibees]

The boosters aren’t there to prevent restrictions. They are there so if you do get COVID, it’s less likely to kill you.

We were told that vaccines were the way out of this, along with lockdowns, circuit breakers etc.

Has worked well so far

[Aldo]

Hibs have too. Think I saw another club ask for the same earlier. It makes the most sense.

Think it was Aberdeen


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[Pretty Boy]

Your Krankie jibe undermines your arguement even if it did have a modicone of sense.

I suppose Wales Drakeford who has gone further will get a nippy nickname from you too? Take your yoon tinted specs off and smell the coffee before Covid takes that sense away from you

Loss of taste and smell is a largely redundant symptom with omicron.

Neither the UK or Scottish governments have seen fit to update the most common symptoms on their most up to date literature which is probably playing a part in driving the spread all things considered.

I'm not even being smart here. Don't wait for a cough, fever or loss of taste and smell before getting tested. You are far more likely to have a headache, chills, muscle aches, runny nose, sneezing and sore throat.

[LunasBoots]

This'll be interesting to see who the GFA sides with...🤔

Think it has to go to a vote due to the mesa of governance in our game.

[greenlex]

If the winter break is brought forward, when would it be to? After tomorrows games even though st mirren have asked for it to be off? Or include tomorrows games? I reckon limited crowds are here to stay though, so will just mean a very tight schedule for 2/3 months fitting games in when we can.

Winter break is only 2 weeks yet we can’t have crowds for 3. That would take us up to the week we play cove. Can’t play 3 games that week.
From Thursday for three weeks I guess. It was around a three week break as it stood. Start back up midweek on the 12th? Three games before Cove.

[Bothar Casca]

We were told that vaccines were the way out of this, along with lockdowns, circuit breakers etc.

Has worked well so far

And they still are. It takes time to vaccinate 70 millions people.

[Helensburghhibs]

Is it just premier league teams that need to vote. Lower league teams have nothing to gain by delaying it from what I can see as they may actually see a boost in attendances if top games behind closed doors

[hibbysam]

From Thursday for three weeks I guess. It was around a three week break as it stood.

It was only 2 weeks originally as we came back to the Scottish cup game. If we go three weeks from Thursday that takes us to 7 days before the cup tie. Could only play max of 2 of the 3 games in that time. Sure they could fill another game in elsewhere but depends on covid outbreaks and sturgeon allowing crowds at that point.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it just premier league teams that need to vote. Lower league teams have nothing to gain by delaying it from what I can see as they may actually see a boost in attendances if top games behind closed doors

Don't think it will be a club vote.

It will be decided on by the Board and the Chief Exec IMO.

[A Hi-Bee]

I think it’s becoming clear there is no point going for boosters and the likes.

Have you had Covid? this smacks of the "I'm alright Jack, F*8k you Jack," scenario, like some selfish wee bairn getting ready to throw the toys oot the pram.

Long live Donald Trump, oh forgot even he has got all his jabs up to date.
:cb

[Mikey_1875]

Hibs now on board with the Christmas break coming forward.:thumbsup:

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-latest-covid-update

Good. Time for the league to put the fans first for a change and at least give us a chance at attending these games.

[H18 SFR]

Have you had Covid? this smacks of the "I'm alright Jack, F*8k you Jack," scenario, like some selfish wee bairn getting ready to throw the toys oot the pram.

Long live Donald Trump, oh forgot even he has got all his jabs up to date.
:cb

Anything to slag off jack Ross eh.

[Billy Whizz]

Hibs have too. Think I saw another club ask for the same earlier. It makes the most sense.

Motherwell

[greenlex]

It was only 2 weeks originally as we came back to the Scottish cup game. If we go three weeks from Thursday that takes us to 7 days before the cup tie. Could only play max of 2 of the 3 games in that time. Sure they could fill another game in elsewhere but depends on covid outbreaks and sturgeon allowing crowds at that point.
See edit. Start. Back midweek 12th Jan. 3 games before cove game and we’re back on track with perhaps one game restricted. Scottish cup game is 3 weeks give or take after hearts game as is.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Have you had Covid? this smacks of the "I'm alright Jack, F*8k you Jack," scenario, like some selfish wee bairn getting ready to throw the toys oot the pram.

Long live Donald Trump(and Boris), oh forgot even he has got all his jabs up to date.
:cb


quick edit :agree:

[Billy Whizz]

Good. Time for the league to put the fans first for a change and at least give us a chance at attending these games.

Great post, agree 100% agree

[hibbysam]

See edit. Start. Back midweek 12th Jan. 3 games before cove game and we’re back on track with perhaps one game restricted.

Cove is the 20th remember. Again it all depends when Sturgeons 3 weeks finishes, if it’s 3 full weeks then that takes us to the 16th at the earliest.

[BoomtownHibees]

And they still are. It takes time to vaccinate 70 millions people.

They still are?? Nothing has changed!! And we are in this same position until 70m folk are fully vaxxed?

Those who have done their bit and are fully vaccinated are faced with the same restrictions as those who have chosen not to. That makes no sense.

[A Hi-Bee]

Anything to slag off jack Ross eh.

Ha, ha, you seen through the resemblance alright................
Your still wrong though.

:thumbsup:

[Hibbyradge]

I Also hear Rangers are throwing a spanner in the works and the game should go ahead.

Have they? That would surprise me.

They would only be asking for that to deprive a fellow member of a relatively small amount of income, given the number of season ticket holders they have.

That would be seen to be extremely vindictive and petty. Hmm, wait a minute...

[wookie70]

You would expect the majority of people who are hospitalised with Covid to be vaccinated because the most vulnerable people who end with with serious conditions are also the people who have been prioritised in the vaccination program (and normally have the self interest to get themselves jabbed). It's the additional stress placed on the NHS by those people needlessly hospitalised because they haven't been vaccinated and would likely be ok if they had been that is one of the issues here. Ironically, i think this is all going to end up in a National ID card scheme which will make it possible to instantly check someone's vaccine status which I'm sure will be a much bigger evil in the eyes of those who think their own personal choice is much more important than a duty to wider society to help keep the NHS free from unnecessary burden. I'm not in favour of such a scheme but if people insist on not getting jabbed and making fake covid passports then I think it will happen.

To me a National ID scheme has been the plan all along. There is no need to make fake passports for football, there simply isn't any checks. The acceptance of Covid passports will bring in ID cards not the resistance to them. The UK populace seems delighted to have basic rights taken from them and opened the gate with Brexit. The UK government will make full use of their new power.

Again the vast majority that are in hospital are vaccinated, they most likely were infected by someone vaccinated. Should their behaviour not be under the microscope or is it just a tick against the vaccinated column that decides good guy or w*nk.

I would argue far less would have died and been hospitalised if we had a sensible approach to lockdowns rather than the half hearted and most time delayed responses we have had. This is another example of opening the door, letting the horse get comfy and multiply and then shutting it at a politically advantageous point in the future while blaming those that choose to remain unvaccinated(and who are hugely unlikely to be troubled, medically at least, by covid) for the mess that the government has presided over.

[H18 SFR]

Ha, ha, you seen through the resemblance alright................
Your still wrong though.

:thumbsup:

Don’t follow you.

[gaz1875]

Only need Celtic to appeal and it will be sorted :agree:

[greenlex]

Cove is the 20th remember. Again it all depends when Sturgeons 3 weeks finishes, if it’s 3 full weeks then that takes us to the 16th at the earliest.
The original break is effectively three weeks. It’s only shorter as our game is moved by a day for TV.

[A Hi-Bee]

I Also hear Rangers are throwing a spanner in the works and the game should go ahead.

"Beggars Belief"

:greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

Don’t follow you.

That's O.K. it's no twitter

:greengrin

[H18 SFR]

That's O.K. it's no twitter

:greengrin

Apologies, literally making no sense.

[Hibbyradge]

That's O.K. it's no twitter

:greengrin

:tee hee:

[hibbysam]

The original break is effectively three weeks. It’s only shorter as our game is moved by a day for TV.

Our break is 2 weeks and 3 days between games. But shutting down on boxing day and closing for 3 weeks takes us to 4 days before the cove match. We could only fit 1 game into that period if we played the day the 3 weeks finished - and that would be nigh on impossible considering a decision on crowds probably won’t be made until the week leading up to it, and needing to sell tickets, arrange which match takes place etc.

We won’t play again until cove after tomorrow if this break takes place, which means fitting 3 games in between the end of January and the start of April.

[wookie70]

Cove is the 20th remember. Again it all depends when Sturgeons 3 weeks finishes, if it’s 3 full weeks then that takes us to the 16th at the earliest.
If we are anything like South Africa the cases will be well on their way down by then. From what I can see they never bothered locking down as Hospital numbers never spiked to any extent.

[LunasBoots]

Cove is the 20th remember. Again it all depends when Sturgeons 3 weeks finishes, if it’s 3 full weeks then that takes us to the 16th at the earliest.

Whose to say those 3 weeks don't turn into even longer and everything is behind closed doors anyway, I think the SG need to be honest with the SFA as to what the actual plan is.

[Bothar Casca]

They still are?? Nothing has changed!! And we are in this same position until 70m folk are fully vaxxed?

Those who have done their bit and are fully vaccinated are faced with the same restrictions as those who have chosen not to. That makes no sense.

Yes. There’s been significantly less deaths. One of which might have been you.

[hibbysam]

If we are anything like South Africa the cases will be well on their way down by then. From what I can see they never bothered locking down as Hospital numbers never spiked to any extent.

I agree.

[hibbysam]

Whose to say those 3 weeks don't turn into even longer and everything is behind closed doors anyway.

Again, I agree and fully expect it.

I’d rather play games and try and get points on the board before she ends up canning it completely if her worst case fears happened.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Club Statement: Latest Covid Update - Hibernian FC (https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-latest-covid-update?fbclid=IwAR32NPv6sy9PXFsPASw63HKjoecHIUz7u7 KDuYyX0unQ3SOowLlKHMD79qM)

The announcement stated football will be played behind-closed-doors for an initial period of up to three weeks, starting on December 26.
That means our games against Dundee United, Celtic, and Hearts would all be affected.
Hibernian FC completely understands that this is an incredibly difficult situation due to on-going pandemic, and with that in mind health and safety should be at the forefront of every decision, which is why the Club has made this proposal to the SPFL.
Alongside this, every effort should be made to allow supporters to watch their team and the game they love. The Club also believes that this will protect the integrity of the competition and would save clubs from the potential loss of substantial revenue.
The Club is now waiting for guidance from the SPFL and will update supporters in due course.

[chrisski33]

Is this thread about the Derby or covid?

[Chorley Hibee]

Dim-witted Swinney declares the final a super-spreader event, yet Scottish Government still allowing games to go ahead tomorrow.

He was also part of the decision making process on whether the final took place or not.

Incompetence doesn't even begin to cover it.

[hibbysam]

Dim-witted Swinney declares the final a super-spreader event, yet Scottish Government still allowing games to go ahead tomorrow.

He was also part of the decision making process on whether the final took place or not.

Incompetence doesn't even begin to cover it.

After 2 days with absolutely heehaw to prove that. Governing bodies should be taking him to task for talking so much pish. Embarrassing.

[greenlex]

Our break is 2 weeks and 3 days between games. But shutting down on boxing day and closing for 3 weeks takes us to 4 days before the cove match. We could only fit 1 game into that period if we played the day the 3 weeks finished - and that would be nigh on impossible considering a decision on crowds probably won’t be made until the week leading up to it, and needing to sell tickets, arrange which match takes place etc.

We won’t play again until cove after tomorrow if this break takes place, which means fitting 3 games in between the end of January and the start of April.
You’re right I was forgetting the cove game had also been moved for TV to the stupid Thursday making our break the shortest of anyones. My point still stands it was originally nearer 3 weeks. :greengrin

[Chorley Hibee]

so you've said on another thread, don't go then and leave the decision to others

I didn't realise I was telling others what to do, probably because I haven't once done so.

It was a comment on the clown that is Swinney, and the 'science' behind the Scottish Government's nonsensical decisions surrounding football.

[147lothian]

So we go from being in a crowd of 45,000 on Sunday, to the random number that it is safe to watch a game at plucked out of thin air of 500 tomorrow. For me if your double vaccinated and taken a lateral flow test you should be treated like an adult capable of making up your own mind whether you attend or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

So we go from being in a crowd of 45,000 on Sunday, to the random number that it is safe to watch a game at plucked out of thin air of 500 tomorrow. For me if your double vaccinated and taken a lateral flow test you should be treated like an adult capable of making up your own mind whether you attend or not.

It doesn't kick in until Sunday.

[500miles]

So we go from being in a crowd of 45,000 on Sunday, to the random number that it is safe to watch a game at plucked out of thin air of 500 tomorrow. For me if your double vaccinated and taken a lateral flow test you should be treated like an adult capable of making up your own mind whether you attend or not.

Doesn't just affect you though, you can - and from the reports so far, will - infect other people.

[Malthibby]

Doesn't just affect you though, you can - and from the reports so far, will - infect other people.

Yup. The govt would have been slated if they had stopped attendance at Hampden last weekend - no notice, disgrace, blah blah - now they
are slated for not doing it fast enough. We're in a pandemic which is killing folk, I know folk who have died, I'll miss the footie for a while
but the idea that govts should do nothing is just boggling.

[hibbysam]

You’re right I was forgetting the cove game had also been moved for TV to the stupid Thursday making our break the shortest of anyones. My point still stands it was originally nearer 3 weeks. :greengrin

Yeah, and with the international break at the end of March for 2 weeks it then makes timing very tight for all games to be completed before the hearts game near the start of April if those three games were postponed. Expect the biggest issue is the old firm games with probable European football (in Celtics case).

[LunasBoots]

Apparently some local authorities have data which say restrictions won't end until after March, getting sick of the babying by government ministers if I'm honest.

[wookie70]

Yup. The govt would have been slated if they had stopped attendance at Hampden last weekend - no notice, disgrace, blah blah - now they
are slated for not doing it fast enough. We're in a pandemic which is killing folk, I know folk who have died, I'll miss the footie for a while
but the idea that govts should do nothing is just boggling.

I'm slating them today, I wouldn't have if they had taken action a week or two back. They are between a rock and a hard place but the strategy appears to be to please most of the people most of the time and not what it should be - protect as many people as you can all of the time. Swinney has confirmed they are clueless and just making it up as they go along

[GreenCastle]

Yup. The govt would have been slated if they had stopped attendance at Hampden last weekend - no notice, disgrace, blah blah - now they
are slated for not doing it fast enough. We're in a pandemic which is killing folk, I know folk who have died, I'll miss the footie for a while
but the idea that govts should do nothing is just boggling.

I think both decisions aren’t the best.

If there is a serious issue then why are they waiting ?

I think most people would have accepted it if it had been before the final or weeks ago but they have been slow off the mark again and still allowing Christmas which will have more people socialising on the same day than the cup final and have then said 26th for restrictions.

People are annoyed for the inconsistencies and the random 500 number.

Let me guess 500 sitting in same stand again probably closer together when the other 3 stands lie empty ? That made no sense last time.

[Jamesie]

Treat tomorrow as the last game you'll see live before the split, and anything that anything esker than that will be a blessing. That's what I'm doing.

[Gordy M]

I'm slating them today, I wouldn't have if they had taken action a week or two back. They are between a rock and a hard place but the strategy appears to be to please most of the people most of the time and not what it should be - protect as many people as you can all of the time. Swinney has confirmed they are clueless and just making it up as they go along

Ive said this a few times, its down to momey. They didnt have the money a few weeks ago to shut everything. They have clearly now decided to take action having been given more cash from down south....by which time they have said Xmas will not be affected and will be advice only. I think thats why now they have introduced the restrictions, having been given money but still trying not to muck about too many folk who had made plans for xmas.

[Hibs90]

Apparently some local authorities have data which say restrictions won't end until after March, getting sick of the babying by government ministers if I'm honest.

Where are you seeing this?

Would be great if folk stopped spreading nonsense like this, even if it turns out to be true there's nothing to say that will be the case right now.

[hibbysam]

Where are you seeing this?

Would be great if folk stopped spreading nonsense like this, even if it turns out to be true there's nothing to say that will be the case right now.

So even if it’s true it’s still nonsense? What on earth.

[Hibs90]

So even if it’s true it’s still nonsense? What on earth.

It's nonsense right now until its proven to be true.

But it will soon be a fact despite the lack of evidence.

[hibbysam]

It's nonsense right now until its proven to be true.

But it will soon be a fact despite the lack of evidence.

Sounds familiar.

[Peanut Shaz]

Those who have done their bit and are fully vaccinated are faced with the same restrictions as those who have chosen not to. That makes no sense.

This is where I'm at. I'm double vaccinated and boosted, followed the guidelines from day 1 mostly to the letter was told this was the way forward. Howeve now I'm being restricted in the same way as people who have chosen not to be vaccinated. I know it would a nightmare to organise but maybe a tier system? Boosted, only follow basic guidelines and pretty much live as normal as possible. 2 vaccines, as before maybe slightly tighter restrictions until boosted, so on and so on. Anyone not vaccinated through choice should be the ones following the toughest restrictions and if they can't attend social gatherings etc then so be it. Their choice.

[Lago]

Dim-witted Swinney declares the final a super-spreader event, yet Scottish Government still allowing games to go ahead tomorrow.

He was also part of the decision making process on whether the final took place or not.

Incompetence doesn't even begin to cover it.
Your on the money with this post 👍

[BegbieHSC]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?

[Bothar Casca]

Apparently some local authorities have data which say restrictions won't end until after March, getting sick of the babying by government ministers if I'm honest.

There is no way this is true. Just sufficiently vague and unconvincing enough to get attention.

[H18 SFR]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?

Hopefully clubs refuse to play them. Quite happy for them to have the points. I’d rather get to see the games later on.

[flash]

Apparently some local authorities have data which say restrictions won't end until after March, getting sick of the babying by government ministers if I'm honest.

Sure they do.

[hibbysam]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?

Rangers possibly due to the limited time to play ties due to their European venture, plus the fact Celtic will lose money and advantage in the derby, and rangers are also in full flow winning most weeks.

I don’t believe 11 will be in favour unless they’ve already stated so? Would imagine some clubs would be looking at st mirren for dropping points at the bottom, hearts also wanting to crack on and get games played.

[hibbysam]

Hopefully clubs refuse to play them. Quite happy for them to have the points. I’d rather get to see the games later on.

You’d like to see teams give points away so that you would be allowed to attend games that wouldn’t then take place? Where does that make any sense?

[Swedish hibee]

Can they not start the winter break early?

[Helensburghhibs]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?

Only 1 team in the running if thus is true. Celtic are struggling with injuries and will lose the home crowd for the Glasgow Derby.

Luckily hibs and hearts always seem to value the fans at derby's whilst the old firm take every opportunity to get one over each other in the petty point scoring game of whataboutery

[GreenCastle]

Rangers must be laughing and Celtic fuming.

Celtic having home advantage and fans backing is massive in the title race.

Rangers would have no fans at Celtic park or Aberdeen away which is conveniently x2 difficult away games.

As for Hibs - having fans at the derby can obviously help but our home derby record also isn’t great. The financial loss is the biggest issue with ticket sales and hospitality.

Curious to see if it goes ahead how Hibs distribute the 500 tickets.

Longer term folk will get pissed off with Scottish football and wouldn’t be surprised if several clubs suffer ST sales next season.

[Iggy Pope]

Only 1 team in the running if thus is true. Celtic are struggling with injuries and will lose the home crowd for the Glasgow Derby.

Luckily hibs and hearts always seem to value the fans at derby's whilst the old firm take every opportunity to get one over each other in the petty point scoring game of whataboutery

Not certain I’d trust Hearts to be in line with the consensus if they can help it!

[H18 SFR]

You’d like to see teams give points away so that you would be allowed to attend games that wouldn’t then take place? Where does that make any sense?

I wasn’t clear.

All games postponed with the exception of those vs the 1 club against.

i.e. only one solitary fixture being played 26th 29th and 2nd

All the other teams inactive.

Games scheduled later when we can attend.

If it was say hibs vs the aforementioned team. I’d happily concede the points if needs must.

[wookie70]

Rangers possibly due to the limited time to play ties due to their European venture, plus the fact Celtic will lose money and advantage in the derby, and rangers are also in full flow winning most weeks.

I don’t believe 11 will be in favour unless they’ve already stated so? Would imagine some clubs would be looking at st mirren for dropping points at the bottom, hearts also wanting to crack on and get games played.
I read they may have players away on Africa Cup duty if Celtic game postponed. My guess is they are the nae sayers.

[Helensburghhibs]

Not certain I’d trust Hearts to be in line with the consensus if they can help it!

To be fair to them they could easily sell half our allocation to their own support but have chosen not to

[hibbysam]

I read they may have players away on Africa Cup duty if Celtic game postponed. My guess is they are the nae sayers.

Rightly so if that was the case. I’d expect Hibs to be exactly the same if it meant we would be worse off (both with our own team and the other team being strengthened). It’s a sporting competition at the end of the day and every advantage should be taken.

[Steve88]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?

Away back under the rock you came from

[Iggy Pope]

Away back under the rock you came from

? That’s a strange response to a decent post if I’m honest.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Away back under the rock you came from


dearie me, stay classy




and mind get vaccinated

[Helensburghhibs]

Away back under the rock you came from

Seems harsh

[Hibbyradge]

Away back under the rock you came from

Wtf?

[BegbieHSC]

Away back under the rock you came from

Hahahahahahaha

[Lancs Harp]

Away back under the rock you came from

More nerve than me saying that to Begbie the blokes a lunatic.

[hibbysam]

? That’s a strange response to a decent post if I’m honest.

To be fair ive not seen anyone denying covid is real and I don’t think I’ve read anyone on here that’s anti-vax.

[Iggy Pope]

To be fair ive not seen anyone denying covid is real and I don’t think I’ve read anyone on here that’s anti-vax.

Think he was trying to move away from all that anyway and back to the Hibs chat no? Never provoked that retort in any sense.
Edit, which Begbie has laughed off in any case....

[hibbysam]

Think he was trying to move away from all that anyway and back to the Hibs chat no? Never provoked that retort in any sense.
Edit, which Begbie has laughed off in any case....

I agree with moving away from it, just seems strange to make random statements up to make that point on this board (albeit I’ve missed some threads so there may be). Suppose making a statement like that is always going to provoke a reaction.

[BegbieHSC]

In any case, if it’s true and it is just one club against moving the winter break forward, I’d be leaning towards Hearts or Huns. Hearts simply from a devil may care, you voted against us, petty crap. Or Huns, because they can sense Celtic may be vulnerable right now - and the fact they are also very petty about the votes last year.

[hibbysam]

In any case, if it’s true and it is just one club against moving the winter break forward, I’d be leaning towards Hearts or Huns. Hearts simply from a devil may care, you voted against us, petty crap. Or Huns, because they can sense Celtic may be vulnerable right now - and the fact they are also very petty about the votes last year.

Rangers are 100% against it and like I say, rightly so. Hearts most likely will be, Ross county as well maybe? They’re on a half decent run and will want to drag st mirren in beside them at the bottom.

[Steve88]

? That’s a strange response to a decent post if I’m honest.

The boy has just made a generalisation and complete dismissal of anyone who has an alternative viewpoint and/or premise on the current policy that has been communicated today.

So yes, if you're going to put forward that lazy, poorly thought out retort to those who share an opposing view to you; perhaps best keep to yourself, or learn to articulate what you really mean in a better way

[Iggy Pope]

I agree with moving away from it, just seems strange to make random statements up to make that point on this board (albeit I’ve missed some threads so there may be). Suppose making a statement like that is always going to provoke a reaction.

If it provokes a reaction like that then Hibs.net is getting darker and darker with a lot of posters seemingly intent on saturating and dominating every thread, the past couple of days of half truths and second hand opinion have been overwhelming. It seemed a fairly mild post to me and to be advised to crawl back under a rock with it, well I find that startling. I’ll need to leave it at that as a Derby Match thread appears to be getting sucked lifeless.

[Iggy Pope]

The boy has just made a generalisation and complete dismissal of anyone who has an alternative viewpoint and/or premise on the current policy that has been communicated today.

So yes, if you're going to put forward that lazy, poorly thought out retort to those who share an opposing view to you; perhaps best keep to yourself, or learn to articulate what you really mean in a better way

He’s trying to keep a focus on football, there are other places to discuss ‘policy’. That’s how I read it anyway, assuming you’re still talking about his post and not mine, which I’d hope to be the case.

[hibbysam]

If it provokes a reaction like that then Hibs.net is getting darker and darker with a lot of posters seemingly intent on saturating and dominating every thread, the past couple of days of half truths and second hand opinion have been overwhelming. It seemed a fairly mild post to me and to be advised to crawl back under a rock with it, well I find that startling. I’ll need to leave it at that as a Derby Match thread appears to be getting sucked lifeless.

I think it just shuts down any chance of a proper discussion. People will have opinions on both sides of the fence of todays announcement. Majority of which are well intentioned. To completely dismiss everyone’s opinion as that does nothing for the discussion that’s been had.

[greenlex]

To steer discussion away from the Covid denying, anti-vaxxing, TAKING MY RIGHTSSS, party political nonsense that too many have resorted to, and back to the derby.

In light of Hibs call for the winter break to be brought forward, apparently 11/12 clubs are in favour, with it requiring a 100% vote to carry. Who do we reckon are against it - Huns or Hearts?. Huns. With Celtics injuries and an empty Parkhead it’s a stick on.

[BegbieHSC]

I think it just shuts down any chance of a proper discussion. People will have opinions on both sides of the fence of todays announcement. Majority of which are well intentioned. To completely dismiss everyone’s opinion as that does nothing for the discussion that’s been had.

There’s other places for that discussion. I was indeed trying to shut it down here, so we could actually talk about what’s happening with the derby.

[LunasBoots]

Rangers are 100% against it and like I say, rightly so. Hearts most likely will be, Ross county as well maybe? They’re on a half decent run and will want to drag st mirren in beside them at the bottom.

Think with Hearts it's more with keeping up momentum up, a massive break may not be in there interests.

[Steve88]

He’s trying to keep a focus on football, there are other places to discuss ‘policy’. That’s how I read it anyway, assuming you’re still talking about his post and not mine, which I’d hope to be the case.

Which reinforces my point. If you want to steer the conversation away from that fine. But learn to do it in a manner that doesn't completely dismiss the view's of the prior posters on here and essentially state they are "irrational, conspiracy believing anti establishment fans".

This forum and any thread/debate on it should be a place where fans are able to debate football/non-football topics freely - without the type of prejudice/preconceptions shown by this person..

I enjoy a constructive debate with people who share opposing views with me, but that was completely nonsense to post

[hibbysam]

Think with Hearts it's more with keeping up momentum up, a massive break may not be in there interests.

Plus having an empty Easter road.

Likewise rangers though, they’re on a great run, lose players next month and then the added bonus of getting Celtic now.

[BegbieHSC]

Plus having an empty Easter road.

Likewise rangers though, they’re on a great run, lose players next month and then the added bonus of getting Celtic now.

Hopefully they do the right thing and come round. Self-interest and tribalism is rife in Scottish football, but hopefully they’ll actually start thinking about the fans.

[Callum_62]

Mind when someone initially mentioned this new disease and said 'poetential To impact the football?'

Seems a long time again that does

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[hibbysam]

Hopefully they do the right thing and come round. Self-interest and tribalism is rife in Scottish football, but hopefully they’ll actually start thinking about the fans.

I don’t think it’ll make any difference, there’s no way this is only lasting 3 weeks IMO. Not sure I’d be thinking of the fans if it was giving my team a far better chance at winning the league with the prize that brings at the end of the season.

[JimBHibees]

Thoughts votes in Spfl 11 would pass it.