maloney new gaffer

[BoomtownHibees]

From my perspective i felt we had very little to lose from replacing Ross, I was completely losing my Hibs mojo, I couldn’t even be arsed watching us on the tele. I just absolutely hated the way we played, the fact his stats and record looked good on Wikipedia meant nothing to me.

It sounds to me, one of the key things we’ve looked for is someone who will bring a different approach to how we play. We’re bringing in someone who is clearly very intelligent, a good coach and apparently wants us to play attacking football.

Experience doesn’t interest me, calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon, even Ross and others all had experience and were *****. The periods I’ve enjoyed most watching Hibs have been when we’ve given young ambitious guys with a fresh approach a chance, Mowbrey, Stubbs and Collins being the obvious ones.

Any experienced manager we could attract would have failed somewhere before so who’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us again?

I would rather take our chances on someone who has fresh ideas and might just be brilliant than someone that’s only every likely to be alright.

Also think gut feeling plays a part. It’s hard to explain it and it’s probably irrational, I just think he’ll be good.

Great post that I agree with completely and resonates with how I feel about it all

[WhileTheChief..]

I'll try and take a leaf out of your book and be positive.

Or at least not be too negative on here :wink:

[Dalianwanda]

The fact that Maloney is unwilling to start work until after the cup final doesn’t sit well with me.

He either backs himself or he doesn’t. That would be an incredible opportunity to make his mark as a manager.

Ah well, it’s time for SDG to be a hero once again.

Is it a fact that he has said he's unwilling?

[Since452]

The fact that Maloney is unwilling to start work until after the cup final doesn’t sit well with me.

He either backs himself or he doesn’t. That would be an incredible opportunity to make his mark as a manager.

Ah well, it’s time for SDG to be a hero once again.

That's a harsh criticism.

[B.H.F.C]

From my perspective i felt we had very little to lose from replacing Ross, I was completely losing my Hibs mojo, I couldn’t even be arsed watching us on the tele. I just absolutely hated the way we played, the fact his stats and record looked good on Wikipedia meant nothing to me.

It sounds to me, one of the key things we’ve looked for is someone who will bring a different approach to how we play. We’re bringing in someone who is clearly very intelligent, a good coach and apparently wants us to play attacking football.

Experience doesn’t interest me, calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon, even Ross and others all had experience and were *****. The periods I’ve enjoyed most watching Hibs have been when we’ve given young ambitious guys with a fresh approach a chance, Mowbrey, Stubbs and Collins being the obvious ones.

Any experienced manager we could attract would have failed somewhere before so who’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us again?

I would rather take our chances on someone who has fresh ideas and might just be brilliant than someone that’s only every likely to be alright.

Also think gut feeling plays a part. It’s hard to explain it and it’s probably irrational, I just think he’ll be good.

Agree with this completely.

[GloryGlory]

Is it a fact that he has said he's unwilling?

Yes. I think it is more likely the club have decided it's too late to bring someone in as it would distract from and disrupt the focus on the cup final.

[Dr What If?]

ISTR it was along the lines of training at Celtic being more professional and players more dedicated to fitness, practice etc.
I don't recall Caldwell saying that (not doubting it though) but I do remember Murray saying that in an interview soon after his move to Rangers. I was a little put out, just because we are smaller doesn't mean to say we should be less professional. That was a long time ago though and since then we have built East Mains and I like to think things have changed a lot. EM might be smaller than what The Rangers have and might have less staff.....but it still does the same thing.

[Nicho87]

The fact that Maloney is unwilling to start work until after the cup final doesn’t sit well with me.

He either backs himself or he doesn’t. That would be an incredible opportunity to make his mark as a manager.

Ah well, it’s time for SDG to be a hero once again.

And if they get pumped 5-0 he will be thinking some fans will have made their mind already.

He can’t win in this situation

[Northernhibee]

From my perspective i felt we had very little to lose from replacing Ross, I was completely losing my Hibs mojo, I couldn’t even be arsed watching us on the tele. I just absolutely hated the way we played, the fact his stats and record looked good on Wikipedia meant nothing to me.

It sounds to me, one of the key things we’ve looked for is someone who will bring a different approach to how we play. We’re bringing in someone who is clearly very intelligent, a good coach and apparently wants us to play attacking football.

Experience doesn’t interest me, calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon, even Ross and others all had experience and were *****. The periods I’ve enjoyed most watching Hibs have been when we’ve given young ambitious guys with a fresh approach a chance, Mowbrey, Stubbs and Collins being the obvious ones.

Any experienced manager we could attract would have failed somewhere before so who’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us again?

I would rather take our chances on someone who has fresh ideas and might just be brilliant than someone that’s only every likely to be alright.

Also think gut feeling plays a part. It’s hard to explain it and it’s probably irrational, I just think he’ll be good.

This is it.

A club like us in our league with our budget is only going to get one thing with experience and that’s a manager who has failed elsewhere and is either in the last chance saloon or just bang average.

By taking a punt on someone unburdened with previous millstones of failure then we get fresh ideas, energy and have the biggest chance of taking several strides forward.

It might work out, it might not but without taking a punt at our level we will never get the rewards.

[GreenPJ]

The fact that Maloney is unwilling to start work until after the cup final doesn’t sit well with me.

He either backs himself or he doesn’t. That would be an incredible opportunity to make his mark as a manager.

Ah well, it’s time for SDG to be a hero once again.

There is very little upside for Maloney in taking control now. He wouldn't get the credit for the cup win (and rightly so, he hasn't contributed to it), there is no time to do something different with the players/formation/ethos for the final, it gives him an opportunity before he takes control to see how the players are responding to a new coach who is sitting in the stands watching them as well as how they handle the big occasion (a key criticism of the JR era). There is also the flip side that if we did take a tanking in the final he can come in after it with a bit of distance from that and try and drive some energy into the players as a completely new voice and ideas.

[silverhibee]

Whilst hurtful to hear …I suspect the level of players and competition, would make training and approaches there more intense than most other clubs

It would have to be more intense, less time on the training park due to travelling for European games, having known someone who played fo celtc it is a tough gig, Monday training, Tuesday travel to another country for CL game, train Tuesday night at ground your playing at, Wednesday would be a walk and get prepared for game that night, fly back after game if possible then training Thursday afternoon, Friday training and shaping team for league game, home to spend some time with family and then in to a hotel on Friday night for game at weekend, that’s how it was back then, don’t know how it is just now.

[silverhibee]

Each tk their own but I’m the opposite.

If he came in a couple of days before the cup final and acted as a distraction then for me he would be making it all about him.

He potentially had the opportunity to win silverware as a manager however he’s out the team first and let them have the most normal week of training they could get.

Just my opinion but I think if he was to take over today and then sit on the bench on Sunday I would see him as an egotistical idiot. I suspect the players would also think he was being a cheeky ****.

He’s absolutely doing the right thing IMO.

Agree with that Bingo, he needs to get things sorted with his personal life as well, I don’t no where he is based just now and he will want his own staff in as well and may not commit to things until everyone coming in is sorted, sure he will be in the stand watching the game on Sunday.

[Greenio]

From my perspective i felt we had very little to lose from replacing Ross, I was completely losing my Hibs mojo, I couldn’t even be arsed watching us on the tele. I just absolutely hated the way we played, the fact his stats and record looked good on Wikipedia meant nothing to me.

It sounds to me, one of the key things we’ve looked for is someone who will bring a different approach to how we play. We’re bringing in someone who is clearly very intelligent, a good coach and apparently wants us to play attacking football.

Experience doesn’t interest me, calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon, even Ross and others all had experience and were *****. The periods I’ve enjoyed most watching Hibs have been when we’ve given young ambitious guys with a fresh approach a chance, Mowbrey, Stubbs and Collins being the obvious ones.

Any experienced manager we could attract would have failed somewhere before so who’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us again?

I would rather take our chances on someone who has fresh ideas and might just be brilliant than someone that’s only every likely to be alright.

Also think gut feeling plays a part. It’s hard to explain it and it’s probably irrational, I just think he’ll be good.

You honestly think Jack Ross was a ***** manager for Hibs?

[bingo70]

You honestly think Jack Ross was a ***** manager for Hibs?

***** to watch and not a period of my Hibs supporting life I’ll look back fondly on, even if we were relatively successful.

[silverhibee]

Wish I felt like this, I'm still completely and utterly confused / gobsmacked / in denial!!

I don't see anything positive about this in the slightest and think it will be one of the biggest mistakes we have ever made.

Jack Ross must be having the biggest wtf moment ever.

Even reading this forum the last week, it's like we're all scrambling around for reasons this is a good thing when in reality we're all scratching our heads but too afraid to say it!!

Anyways, I guess i need to leave the denial behind and get behind it :greengrin

Every manager a club brings in is a risk, you just have to back them and hope it goes well for them, if it doesn’t then us Hibs fans are quite vocal in showing there displeasure about how things are going, get behind him if he is to be our manager and if it goes wrong you can come back and tell us you called it.

[Greenio]

***** to watch and not a period of my Hibs supporting life I’ll look back fondly on, even if we were relatively successful.

Genuine q.

What Hibs manager do you look back fondly on?

[bingo70]

Genuine q.

What Hibs manager do you look back fondly on?

Tony Mowbrey, Alex McLeish, Alan Stubbs for obvious reasons, I enjoyed Lennons first season back in the premier league and there were real highs i enjoyed watching John Collins Hibs team.

Every single one of them had their flaws and I’m not pretending they were perfect. I think they all tried to play football the way I like it though.

[MrSmith]

***** to watch and not a period of my Hibs supporting life I’ll look back fondly on, even if we were relatively successful.

I find that difficult to disagree with. Alex Miller’s team/s were more entertaining than Butcher, Calderwood, Fenlon, Heckingbottom & Ross’s teams and that is saying something!

[brog]

Is it a fact that he has said he's unwilling?

It's a Hibs Net fact, aka fiction!

[Since452]

I can't wait until the full time whistle on Sunday when the Hibs players reveal their "thank you Jack" t-shirts before going up to lift the trophy :greengrin

[greenginger]

It's a Hibs Net fact, aka fiction!


Is is it a fact that Maloney is actually Hibs first choice for new manager ?

[He's here!]

Tony Mowbrey, Alex McLeish, Alan Stubbs for obvious reasons, I enjoyed Lennons first season back in the premier league and there were real highs i enjoyed watching John Collins Hibs team.

Every single one of them had their flaws and I’m not pretending they were perfect. I think they all tried to play football the way I like it though.

The spell under Alex Miller when we had O'Neill, Jackson, Wright and McAllister up front, with Kevin Harper also emerging was an exciting time too.

I agree the football under Ross wasn't winning over the fans but I felt with him that there was a long-term project under way and that the first part of that was to eliminate the costly league defeats to smaller teams - and until very recently his record in those games was way above average. He also had us reaching the latter stages of every cup campaign so I was prepared to give him more time in the hope that more entertaining football would emerge.

[bigwheel]

I find that difficult to disagree with. Alex Miller’s team/s were more entertaining than Butcher, Calderwood, Fenlon, Heckingbottom & Ross’s teams and that is saying something!

Not in the first few years they weren’t …he built about four different sides , some of the later ones were very forward thinking …

[MWHIBBIES]

And if they get pumped 5-0 he will be thinking some fans will have made their mind already.

He can’t win in this situation

He could try not getting pumped 5-0?

If he sets the team up properly, they would never lose 5-0 anyway.

[MrSmith]

Not in the first few years they weren’t …he built about four different sides , some of the later ones were very forward thinking …

I went to every game, home and away, during his time at hibs and yes some were dire, infact quite a lot was mediocre at best but most of the football from the managers I mentioned has been absolutely ugly!

[Since452]

The spell under Alex Miller when we had O'Neill, Jackson, Wright and McAllister up front, with Kevin Harper also emerging was an exciting time too.

I agree the football under Ross wasn't winning over the fans but I felt with him that there was a long-term project under way and that the first part of that was to eliminate the costly league defeats to smaller teams - and until very recently his record in those games was way above average. He also had us reaching the latter stages of every cup campaign so I was prepared to give him more time in the hope that more entertaining football would emerge.

Miller managed Hibs for 10 years, even a clock is correct twice a day. Over all it was horrendous and not even close to the stuff under Jack Ross.

[Smartie]

***** to watch and not a period of my Hibs supporting life I’ll look back fondly on, even if we were relatively successful.

I remember reading something by a guy who had got the Belgium job, way more than a decade and the current crop of good players back. Iirc they’d actually been in the doldrums for a bit and were pretty much level pegging with Scotland.

When asked, he’d said that his job was “to get the public to fall back in love with the team again”.

This has always struck a chord with me tbh - in that a football manager’s (or coach’s if you prefer) job is partly to win football matches but also to get the fans to fall or stay in love with their team.

The first part is easy to measure, the second much harder so.

I can empathise with what you’re saying - up until the end of last season Jack Ross’ results were satisfactory. Even up to September they were probably ok.

He was in immediate trouble as soon as results dropped off because of the “fans being in love with the team” angle. A combination of the occasionally pragmatic style and the missed opportunities in the cup last year meant that a man with his track record found himself under more pressure than many folk might expect.

I’ve swithered about whether or not the right decision has been made but tbh if it looks like we’re going to be targeting someone who plays better football and who tries to give us a bit of feel good back - then I’ll very much sway towards it having been the right decision.

[Lago]

:top marks

Interesting appointment if it comes true and has the potential to be left-field success like Mowbray and Stubbs. Not impressed at all with the Caldwell half of the duo, not because of anything he's said specifically about us, more because he strikes me as a really unpleasant, arrogant character. Maybe thats what our squad of underperformers need ?
Have to say I've met a few, unpleasant, arrogant characters in my working life many of whom knew how to do their job, I avoided them otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

Every manager a club brings in is a risk, you just have to back them and hope it goes well for them, if it doesn’t then us Hibs fans are quite vocal in showing there displeasure about how things are going, get behind him if he is to be our manager and if it goes wrong you can come back and tell us you called it.

Agree with everything you said there but you could have missed out the last part :rolleyes:

[bigwheel]

I went to every game, home and away, during his time at hibs and yes some were dire, infact quite a lot was mediocre at best but most of the football from the managers I mentioned has been absolutely ugly!

I may be in the minority, but I liked what Ross had done to the team . Obviously not the last 10 games of his reign , but overall it felt he was building something that could have been sustainable . I didn’t mind the possession football, and am sure (like Miller) it would have evolved as he got more forward going players for and into the squad …. Anyway, new chapter about to start ..let’s hope it is at least as successful as Ross was - which would put them in the top batch of Hibs managers

[Smartie]

I may be in the minority, but I liked what Ross had done to the team . Obviously not the last 10 s of his reign , but overall it felt he was building something that could have been sustainable . I didn’t mind the possession football, and aim sure it would have evolved as he got more forward going players for and into the squad …. Anyway, new chapter about to start ..let’s hope it is at least as successful as Ross was - which would put them in the top batch of Hibs managers

At the start of this season, we showed flashes of what it might have looked like with “his team” on the park and it looked good.

Doidge up from, Magennis in behind, Murphy and Boyle out wide, usual defensive base.

Injuries to Doidge and Magennis scuppered that. And Murphy for a while, I guess.

We’ll never know how it might have worked out although the last few months league performances have by and large been torture.

[easty]

At the start of this season, we showed flashes of what it might have looked like with “his team” on the park and it looked good.

Doidge up from, Magennis in behind, Murphy and Boyle out wide, usual defensive base.

Injuries to Doidge and Magennis scuppered that. And Murphy for a while, I guess.

We’ll never know how it might have worked out although the last few months league performances have by and large been torture.

It was Nisbet, not Doidge, at the start of the season who was playing from the start in "his team".

Think the four you mention only started one game together.

[Hibiza]

I can't wait until the full time whistle on Sunday when the Hibs players reveal their "thank you Jack" t-shirts before going up to lift the trophy :greengrin

Hope not .

[JeMeSouviens]

Hope not .

If they are going up to lift the trophy, they can wear "thank you Stevie G" t-shirts for all I care.

[Greenio]

Tony Mowbrey, Alex McLeish, Alan Stubbs for obvious reasons, I enjoyed Lennons first season back in the premier league and there were real highs i enjoyed watching John Collins Hibs team.

Every single one of them had their flaws and I’m not pretending they were perfect. I think they all tried to play football the way I like it though.

Fair enough

Personally I like to see Hibs being competitive consistently at the top level, under a manager with long term commitment to build on their initial success, which imo, jack ross had over all the others you mentioned (had he been given the time)

But I respect your preference for entertainment

[Skol]

Fair enough

Personally I like to see Hibs being competitive consistently at the top level, under a manager with long term commitment to build on their initial success, which imo, jack ross had over all the others you mentioned (had he been given the time)

But I respect your preference for entertainment

This is quite a tough balancing act as ideally you want both entertaining football and successful team. Hibs under Mowbray were a joy to watch but ultimately didnt really have the success they deserved.

Under Ross we were not as entertaining but had addressed many flaws of previous teams. I also think its harsh to say the brand of football under Ross was poor. At times it has been pretty good. I think we were unfortunate with injuries this season and magennis/Doidge were big misses.

I am sad to see Ross leave as I think he could have been a good manager. Maybe not great, but as good as we have had since Turnbull.

However, the King is dead. Long live the King.

[Hibbyradge]

He could try not getting pumped 5-0?

If he sets the team up properly, they would never lose 5-0 anyway.

The new manager will need to see the players first hand and work with them in training before he'll know how to set them up properly.

At the moment he doesn't know much about their strengths, and even less about their weaknesses, so he'd be relying on SDG etc for advice anyway.

Far better that he stays out of the way and let the current coaches do their stuff.

In any case, we don't actually have a manager yet.

[B.H.F.C]

Fair enough

Personally I like to see Hibs being competitive consistently at the top level, under a manager with long term commitment to build on their initial success, which imo, jack ross had over all the others you mentioned (had he been given the time)

But I respect your preference for entertainment

In part, he had it over the others because nobody appeared to be chasing him. If something came along that he thought was a better offer, the long term commitment would have been out the window just it like it was for the others. And just like it was for us when we decided he wasn’t building any more.

[Iggy Pope]

I can't wait until the full time whistle on Sunday when the Hibs players reveal their "thank you Jack" t-shirts before going up to lift the trophy :greengrin

That would be a nice touch if he had burst his appendix or something but FFS naw.

[MWHIBBIES]

The new manager will need to see the players first hand and work with them in training before he'll know how to set them up properly.

At the moment he doesn't know much about their strengths, and even less about their weaknesses, so he'd be relying on SDG etc for advice anyway.

Far better that he stays out of the way and let the current coaches do their stuff.

In any case, we don't actually have a manager yet.

But then we have a big game on Wednesday, is it better he lets Gray handle that as well? Then United away, Celtic away, Hearts at home? What easy fixture is he looking to start with?

If appointed manager, he should be starting immediately.

[ahibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8160539/shaun-maloney-hibs-after-celtic-backroom-staff/

Three and a half year deal with Caldwell as his assistant.

Maloney to bring in one other coach but Gray and Samson likely to stay.

They won't be cheap. I'm confident that they'll bring the cool head and steel to the bench that we need. SM could make mistakes as a player, but being such a good player he had the ability to make up for any mistake he made, e.g responsible for conceding then would score a cracker to balance it out. That says a couple of things about the character such as, he had it in him to score so why didn't he before he made the mistake, you see where I am coming from? It also shows a steely determination to bounce back and not let his head drop. He has that in his players already, perhaps not the ability to score when determined to do so always but the determination to put in the effort required, but then again most teams can put in that effort. The difference is is the quality and he had it in abundance as a player, I have a feeling they'll do well with us.

[Hibbyradge]

But then we have a big game on Wednesday, is it better he lets Gray handle that as well? Then United away, Celtic away, Hearts at home? What easy fixture is he looking to start with?

If appointed manager, he should be starting immediately.

Of course he has to start sometime, but for all the reasons on this thread, a couple of days before a major cup final isn't that time.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm just happy that Hibs and the next manager agree with me. :wink:

[Smartie]

It was Nisbet, not Doidge, at the start of the season who was playing from the start in "his team".

Think the four you mention only started one game together.

Yeah.

But it was a good game, and based on that I reckon we’d have have seen much more of it if those players had remained available throughout.

[The Modfather]

Yeah.

But it was a good game, and based on that I reckon we’d have have seen much more of it if those players had remained available throughout.

The way we stared the season was encouraging in terms of style, tempo and energy without having to sacrifice results. Losing Maggenis & Doidge was a blow but I think it also exposed Ross’ limitations and inflexibility.

Losing those two could have an understandable impact on results, but we should then find a different way to get the most out what is available. We seemed to revert to going into our shell and becoming a passive, static team that solely relies on Boyle. The quality might not have been there but that doesn’t excuse not having players running ahead of the ball, playing with tempo and energy. What a difference Maggenis made to our attack, outwith his goals, by running ahead of the ball and getting into the box. With him missing why did we not try getting Newel, for example, further forward and making some of the same runs that Maggenis was doing. We shouldn’t have been solely reliant on one player for all our energy and running and go into our shell and solely rely on Boyle when Maggenis wasn’t available.

[ekhibee]

Well for me, it's a gamble. A lot of people are on here trying to be positive, and normally that's something that I totally agree with, and who knows, maybe Maloney will be a success at Hibs, I really do hope so, and I'll give him all the backing I can as a supporter. But I'm not a fan of Caldwell, and if the truth be told I didn't want him anywhere near our club, but it would appear that's how it's going to be. I really hope this is a step up for Hibs, and if it is I'll be the first to apologize for my reservations, so we'll see how it goes.

[bingo70]

Well for me, it's a gamble. A lot of people are on here trying to be positive, and normally that's something that I totally agree with, and who knows, maybe Maloney will be a success at Hibs, I really do hope so, and I'll give him all the backing I can as a supporter. But I'm not a fan of Caldwell, and if the truth be told I didn't want him anywhere near our club, but it would appear that's how it's going to be. I really hope this is a step up for Hibs, and if it is I'll be the first to apologize for my reservations, so we'll see how it goes.

I don’t think you need to apologise for your reservations if you’re wrong. It’s a forum where the whole point is just to say what you think, it won’t always be positive.

I certainly won’t be apologising if he turns out to be ***** 😂

With regards tk your first point, all appointments would be a gamble. Why do you think someone experienced who has been sacked before would be less of a gamble?

Even the boy Knutsen who everybody was wanting despite being completely unrealistic was sacked from his previous job so no more or less of a gamble than Maloney.

[Stevie Reid]

I remember reading something by a guy who had got the Belgium job, way more than a decade and the current crop of good players back. Iirc they’d actually been in the doldrums for a bit and were pretty much level pegging with Scotland.

When asked, he’d said that his job was “to get the public to fall back in love with the team again”.

This has always struck a chord with me tbh - in that a football manager’s (or coach’s if you prefer) job is partly to win football matches but also to get the fans to fall or stay in love with their team.

The first part is easy to measure, the second much harder so.

I can empathise with what you’re saying - up until the end of last season Jack Ross’ results were satisfactory. Even up to September they were probably ok.

He was in immediate trouble as soon as results dropped off because of the “fans being in love with the team” angle. A combination of the occasionally pragmatic style and the missed opportunities in the cup last year meant that a man with his track record found himself under more pressure than many folk might expect.

I’ve swithered about whether or not the right decision has been made but tbh if it looks like we’re going to be targeting someone who plays better football and who tries to give us a bit of feel good back - then I’ll very much sway towards it having been the right decision.

There's definitely something in this. I've referenced this before (when I felt that Lennon's record over the last three months of his tenure was being catastrophized a bit on here) but the last five months of Mowbray's second season were really pretty grim, and I think it's often overlooked/misremembered due to how we remember the many good days.

After a bad start (1 point from two games including a 4-0 defeat at Hearts), after 16 games we had W 11 D 1 L 4 - superb run of form. After that point, for the remaining 22 league games were were W 6 D 4 L 12. Those 12 defeats included another heavy (4-1) defeat at Tynecastle, and a 4-0 up at Pittodrie. Of course we also lost the SC semi to Hearts (losing 4 goals yet again) during that time too - though it obviously needs to be acknowledged how much money was spent on their squad at the time. We also were knocked out the LC by Dunfermline that season (3-0 away).

We also only had only 11 points from our first nine games (losing four) when he left the following season. I think the affection that everyone has for that team affects folks' memories, as I find it hard to imagine that a manager wouldn't get a much tougher time for that latter run, these days.

[madhatter]

Can't remember a time when the sacking and recruiting of a new manager was debated so much.

One thing is for certain is people need to get accustomed to managerial changes again. Club sold an unrealistic future with Jack Ross, was never going to last how long they kept indicating. Until Hibs grow as a club we will always lose a manager in 3-4 years max. Through merit or the sack, managers will keep coming and going. Recruiting managers with a philosophy in mind is the critical bit. That contributes to continuity and stability. Not this pipedream of Hibs keeping a manager for 8 years. Just won't happen, especially if we recruit ex-Celtic players. Guarantee if does well = new Celtic manager.

I've already noticed a difference since Gray has taken over. An attack minded manager could have us playing some nice stuff.

[Dr What If?]

I may be in the minority, but I liked what Ross had done to the team . Obviously not the last 10 games of his reign , but overall it felt he was building something that could have been sustainable . I didn’t mind the possession football, and am sure (like Miller) it would have evolved as he got more forward going players for and into the squad …. Anyway, new chapter about to start ..let’s hope it is at least as successful as Ross was - which would put them in the top batch of Hibs managers
Actually that is where I was.....I saw Hibs as an evolution, no quick fixes but a steady plan with a long tern vision. I was sure that the football we were playing wasn't the football Ross wanted to play either but what he was doing the best with they players he had. At times I saw a lack of 'want' in the team but it was a team that seemed (until recently) to get the points on the board. Not convinced that lack of fight came from Ross, a fair few of that team need to look long and hard at what they did to keep him in a job.

[jacomo]

This is quite a tough balancing act as ideally you want both entertaining football and successful team. Hibs under Mowbray were a joy to watch but ultimately didnt really have the success they deserved.

Under Ross we were not as entertaining but had addressed many flaws of previous teams. I also think its harsh to say the brand of football under Ross was poor. At times it has been pretty good. I think we were unfortunate with injuries this season and magennis/Doidge were big misses.

I am sad to see Ross leave as I think he could have been a good manager. Maybe not great, but as good as we have had since Turnbull.

However, the King is dead. Long live the King.


Yeah, long live the king… until he has a bad run or makes a mistake deemed ‘unacceptable’ and the knives will be out again.

I also think we’ve been too hasty binning Jack, but let’s see how it works out.

[MrSmith]

I may be in the minority, but I liked what Ross had done to the team . Obviously not the last 10 games of his reign , but overall it felt he was building something that could have been sustainable . I didn’t mind the possession football, and am sure (like Miller) it would have evolved as he got more forward going players for and into the squad …. Anyway, new chapter about to start ..let’s hope it is at least as successful as Ross was - which would put them in the top batch of Hibs managers

Again, I don’t disagree however, after the SC final, I was done.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t think you need to apologise for your reservations if you’re wrong. It’s a forum where the whole point is just to say what you think, it won’t always be positive.

I certainly won’t be apologising if he turns out to be ***** 😂

With regards tk your first point, all appointments would be a gamble. Why do you think someone experienced who has been sacked before would be less of a gamble?

Even the boy Knutsen who everybody was wanting despite being completely unrealistic was sacked from his previous job so no more or less of a gamble than Maloney.

Ok, but why Maloney / Caldwell?

There must be literally hundreds of ex-players out there that would love to be a manager, SDG appears to be one for example.

I've not said one word against Maloney yet, i've nothing against him at all. I just don't see what's he done to have even been on our radar.

Was this what we had in mind from before JR was sacked? If so, i'm even more confused!

Did we have a list of candidates that he was top of? Was anyone else considered?

I really thought RG would push the boat out and bring in someone that would make us sit up and take notice. I don't think this appointment comes close to that and don't see many rushing back to ER.

I don't sense any real excitement or enthusiasm for it, more a grudging acceptance of we are where we are, let's see how it goes.

I really wish it provided some of that much needed mojo you mention. Cup win will help!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'd love to know how Maloney/Caldwell even got on the list, who put their names forward, i take it's maloney that wants the former sacked manager of partick thistle here with him



just out of curiosity likes :greengrin



and not overly enthused at this moment, like i was with heckingbottom, but they'll get my support ;)

[Hibbyradge]

Ok, but why Maloney / Caldwell?

There must be literally hundreds of ex-players out there that would love to be a manager, SDG appears to be one for example.

I've not said one word against Maloney yet, i've nothing against him at all. I just don't see what's he done to have even been on our radar.

Was this what we had in mind from before JR was sacked? If so, i'm even more confused!

Did we have a list of candidates that he was top of? Was anyone else considered?

I really thought RG would push the boat out and bring in someone that would make us sit up and take notice. I don't think this appointment comes close to that and don't see many rushing back to ER.

I don't sense any real excitement or enthusiasm for it, more a grudging acceptance of we are where we are, let's see how it goes.

I really wish it provided some of that much needed mojo you mention. Cup win will help!!


Hibs appoint the manager. The manager appoints his assistant and coaching team.

Was Maloney on our radar? Maybe he just applied for the job and interviewed well.

Most folk have sat up and taken notice, and I'm quite excited and hopeful about this appointment.

If it happens.

[ekhibee]

There's definitely something in this. I've referenced this before (when I felt that Lennon's record over the last three months of his tenure was being catastrophized a bit on here) but the last five months of Mowbray's second season were really pretty grim, and I think it's often overlooked/misremembered due to how we remember the many good days.

After a bad start (1 point from two games including a 4-0 defeat at Hearts), after 16 games we had W 11 D 1 L 4 - superb run of form. After that point, for the remaining 22 league games were were W 6 D 4 L 12. Those 12 defeats included another heavy (4-1) defeat at Tynecastle, and a 4-0 up at Pittodrie. Of course we also lost the SC semi to Hearts (losing 4 goals yet again) during that time too - though it obviously needs to be acknowledged how much money was spent on their squad at the time. We also were knocked out the LC by Dunfermline that season (3-0 away).

We also only had only 11 points from our first nine games (losing four) when he left the following season. I think the affection that everyone has for that team affects folks' memories, as I find it hard to imagine that a manager wouldn't get a much tougher time for that latter run, these days.

He also extended Zibi's contract, God know's why.

[Bostonhibby]

i'd love to know how Maloney/Caldwell even got on the list, who put their names forward, i take it's maloney that wants the former sacked manager of partick thistle here with him



just out of curiosity likes :greengrin



and not overly enthused at this moment, like i was with heckingbottom, but they'll get my support ;)

Yep, unfortunately this is about as enthusiastic as I can get about this potential combination, I dont feel entitled to know about the process by which we might have landed on them, but Caldwell? Why?

Do we desperately want Maloney and he is his pal?

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[ancient hibee]

He also extended Zibi's contract, God know's why.

Quite a few managers seem to have a blind spot with goalies. Certainly Mowbray did.

[Billy Whizz]

i'd love to know how Maloney/Caldwell even got on the list, who put their names forward, i take it's maloney that wants the former sacked manager of partick thistle here with him



just out of curiosity likes :greengrin



and not overly enthused at this moment, like i was with heckingbottom, but they'll get my support ;)

From Ben
“I would like to assure all supporters that we are undergoing an incredibly thorough and strategic approach as we recruit a new manager. As a club you must continuously plan for the future and have a clear plan in-place for every eventuality due to the fast-moving and ever-changing nature of the sport. This has allowed us to stay in control of this rigorous process”

What do you think?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yep, unfortunately this is about as enthusiastic as I can get about this potential combination, I dont feel entitled to know about the process by which we might have landed on them, but Caldwell? Why?

Do we desperately want Maloney and he is his pal?

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was caldwell at sellick with maloney at sometime ? i honestly have no idea, surely caldwell thought straight away, Hibs ? oh oh i left on a sour note :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

was caldwell at sellick with maloney at sometime ? i honestly have no idea

Wigan and Celtic

[Hibbyradge]

Yep, unfortunately this is about as enthusiastic as I can get about this potential combination, I dont feel entitled to know about the process by which we might have landed on them, but Caldwell? Why?

Do we desperately want Maloney and he is his pal?

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Maloney wants Caldwell. It's not Hibs' decision.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Wigan and Celtic


ta, i didn't even realise either were at wigan

[sauzeelegod]

From my perspective i felt we had very little to lose from replacing Ross, I was completely losing my Hibs mojo, I couldn’t even be arsed watching us on the tele. I just absolutely hated the way we played, the fact his stats and record looked good on Wikipedia meant nothing to me.

It sounds to me, one of the key things we’ve looked for is someone who will bring a different approach to how we play. We’re bringing in someone who is clearly very intelligent, a good coach and apparently wants us to play attacking football.

Experience doesn’t interest me, calderwood, Butcher, Fenlon, even Ross and others all had experience and were *****. The periods I’ve enjoyed most watching Hibs have been when we’ve given young ambitious guys with a fresh approach a chance, Mowbrey, Stubbs and Collins being the obvious ones.

Any experienced manager we could attract would have failed somewhere before so who’s to say they wouldn’t fail with us again?

I would rather take our chances on someone who has fresh ideas and might just be brilliant than someone that’s only every likely to be alright.

Also think gut feeling plays a part. It’s hard to explain it and it’s probably irrational, I just think he’ll be good.


Brilliant post mate ✊🏼

[Billy Whizz]

Maloney wants Caldwell. It's not Hibs' decision.

Ange at Celtic came in on his own

[ancient hibee]

I
was caldwell at sellick with maloney at sometime ? i honestly have no idea, surely caldwell thought straight away, Hibs ? oh oh i left on a sour note :greengrin

No like any other professional he would think -good a guaranteed payday.

[Dazzjw1875]

I wonder if new gaffer will be announced before final or after final now? Depends if club think maybe if whoever is named will give players a wee boost? and try to shine on Sunday?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Maloney wants Caldwell. It's not Hibs' decision.


thought so, maybe caldwell will turn out a better coach than a manager or he just wants a restart in his career, what has gary caldwell actually been doing since his time at Partick ?

[ancient hibee]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6787722]thought so, maybe caldwell will turn out a better coach than a manager or he just wants a restart in his career, what has gary caldwell actually been doing since his time at Partick ?[/QUOTE



Working for Newcastle and Manchester City.

[Billy Whizz]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6787722]thought so, maybe caldwell will turn out a better coach than a manager or he just wants a restart in his career, what has gary caldwell actually been doing since his time at Partick ?[/QUOTE


Only recently though
Working for Newcastle and Manchester City.

[Hibbyradge]

Ange at Celtic came in on his own

If he doesn't want an assistant, that's his choice. I would have thought it was vital.

However, it probably nets him more cash! 😁

[Greencore]

I wonder if new gaffer will be announced before final or after final now? Depends if club think maybe if whoever is named will give players a wee boost? and try to shine on Sunday?

After.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I

No like any other professional he would think -good a guaranteed payday.


hindsight's a wonderful thing i know, employees of clubs should always be mindful what they say in the media...just in case they possibly end up back at the same employer again


i actually thought some went overboard in criticism of caldwell when he was here

[Hibbyradge]

thought so, maybe caldwell will turn out a better coach than a manager or he just wants a restart in his career, what has gary caldwell actually been doing since his time at Partick ?

He's been coaching at Man City.

[cabbageandribs1875]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6787722]thought so, maybe caldwell will turn out a better coach than a manager or he just wants a restart in his career, what has gary caldwell actually been doing since his time at Partick ?[/QUOTE



Working for Newcastle and Manchester City.


not too shabby credentials

[Billy Whizz]

He's been coaching at Man City.

Ha ha, he watches the loan players

[WhileTheChief..]

Hibs appoint the manager. The manager appoints his assistant and coaching team.

Was Maloney on our radar? Maybe he just applied for the job and interviewed well.

Most folk have sat up and taken notice, and I'm quite excited and hopeful about this appointment.

If it happens.

Haha, good point, is it not pretty much a done deal though?

Got to admit I've not really followed the news thinking it's all but done so I'm not aware any other names being considered.

[Hibbyradge]

Ha ha, he watches the loan players

Loans coach, whatever that means, but he was the u/23 coach at Newcastle before that so he must have something about him.

[Stevie Reid]

Yep, unfortunately this is about as enthusiastic as I can get about this potential combination, I dont feel entitled to know about the process by which we might have landed on them, but Caldwell? Why?

Do we desperately want Maloney and he is his pal?

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Why the pejorative use of 'pal'? Do you not want a manager to be assisted by someone he knows and trusts? That's what the vast majority of managers do. We parachuted Derek Adams in with Calderwood and that was a terrible time. Think Jackie Mac snr was a similar one with Jim Duffy too.

Maloney obviously feels that Caldwell will have a lot to offer as his assistant - do you really think that a new manager wanting to make his way in the game would just give a mate (who is already an incredibly wealthy man) a job just for the sake of it?

[Billy Whizz]

Loans coach, whatever that means, but he was the u/23 coach at Newcastle before that so he must have something about him.

For a full 3 weeks

[Crab apple]

hindsight's a wonderful thing i know, employees of clubs should always be mindful what they say in the media...just in case they possibly end up back at the same employer again


i actually thought some went overboard in criticism of caldwell when he was here

I'm not that bothered about the circumstances in which he left. It was a long time ago. He doesn't seem to have set the heather alight as a manager which maybe isn't so important as Maloney will be the main man. There's an article 'Gary Caldwell 'destroyed' Partick Thistle claims former player in brutal attack on ex-Celtic star.' A few Celtic fans also talk about him being arrogant. Time will tell and if SM wants him as his right hand man then that's the main thing.

[Hibbyradge]

For a full 3 weeks

And he got the Man City job on the back of it. He must have been brilliant!

Think positive, Bill. You're turning into Hermit Crab! 😂

[Stevie Reid]

I'm not that bothered about the circumstances in which he left. It was a long time ago. He doesn't seem to have set the heather alight as a manager which maybe isn't so important as Maloney will be the main man. There's an article 'Gary Caldwell 'destroyed' Partick Thistle claims former player in brutal attack on ex-Celtic star.' A few Celtic fans also talk about him being arrogant. Time will tell and if SM wants him as his right hand man then that's the main thing.

To be fair, the boy sounds like an absolute slaver, claiming that Caldwell knows nothing about football, and that he'd still be playing for Spurs if Pochettino had arrived before he left:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gary-caldwell-destroyed-partick-thistle-22536909

He's currently playing in the Tunisian league.

[Eyrie]

So if Maloney is coaching Belgium and Caldwell is at Man City, does that mean we've got a good chance of signing De Bruyne in January?

[Stevie Reid]

So if Maloney is coaching Belgium and Caldwell is at Man City, does that mean we've got a good chance of signing De Bruyne in January?

Apparently Petrie is unwilling to stump up the £150K transfer fee :grr:

[Bostonhibby]

Why the pejorative use of 'pal'? Do you not want a manager to be assisted by someone he knows and trusts? That's what the vast majority of managers do. We parachuted Derek Adams in with Calderwood and that was a terrible time. Think Jackie Mac snr was a similar one with Jim Duffy too.

Maloney obviously feels that Caldwell will have a lot to offer as his assistant - do you really think that a new manager wanting to make his way in the game would just give a mate (who is already an incredibly wealthy man) a job just for the sake of it?

Nothing implied by it, just a genuine question re why we might have landed on him.

Seems to have been clarified above.

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[Stevie Reid]

Nothing implied by it, just a genuine question re why we might have landed on him.

Seems to have been clarified above.

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Fair enough man.

[Bostonhibby]

Fair enough man.[emoji106]I dont know what pejorative means[emoji6]

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[Paul1642]

I will always give any Hibs manager a chance once appointed but I cannot stress enough how little Maloney would excite me.

I was weighing up the pros and cons of McGinnis and Neil in my head or hoping for a wild card European or American coach. Not an ex Celtic player who has never managed before. Not for me.

If the main reason rumoured for Jack Ross being let go was declining attendances then I would bet money Maloney is not going to have any immediate impact on that.

[Paul1642]

Without reading 20 pages how likely is this actually looking? Is it a potentially baseless rumour which has generated conversation or is he really our top target right now?

[Hibbyradge]

Without reading 20 pages how likely is this actually looking? Is it a potentially baseless rumour which has generated conversation or is he really our top target right now?

I think it's a certainty.

[Not So Young]

but he was the u/23 coach at Newcastle before that so he must have something about him.


Cathro was an assistant at Newcastle and look at how that turned out

[Stevie Reid]

[emoji106]I dont know what pejorative means[emoji6]

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:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Cathro was an assistant at Newcastle and look at how that turned outI thought he was brilliant in Father Ted.

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[Gmack7]

Maybe it's Maloney or maybe there's another couple still under consideration

[Stevie Reid]

Cathro was an assistant at Newcastle and look at how that turned out

Bit of a tangent here. Caldwell would be coming as assistant, not head coach, as Cathro was - in addition, Caldwell has managed three club sides. Thirdly, Maloney and Caldwell both played at a very high level for many years.

None of this is any guarantee of success, of course. But the Cathro comparison is bizarre.

[Stevie Reid]

Without reading 20 pages how likely is this actually looking? Is it a potentially baseless rumour which has generated conversation or is he really our top target right now?

If Luke Shanley and the red tops are reporting at as being a certainty, it will be.

[Lago]

I think it's a certainty.
Good a real statement of intent from Ron Gordon, in my opinion

[WhileTheChief..]

Was it Caldwell that did random things at Partick like let the squad choose the team for the Saturday and such like?

His interviews were very Cathro esq but with more than a hint of arrogance.

Really, really hoping that if it is Maloney, Caldwell is nowhere near.

[JohnMcM]

I think it's a certainty.

Probably a possibility.

[chrisski33]

What scares me is that alot of these new managers are younger than me! How old is Maloney? 38?

[Stevie Reid]

Was it Caldwell that did random things at Partick like let the squad choose the team for the Saturday and such like?

His interviews were very Cathro esq but with more than a hint of arrogance.

Really, really hoping that if it is Maloney, Caldwell is nowhere near.

Apparently so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48120968

FWIW, they did win the game at QOS 3-0.

Just waiting on the comments about Caldwell having had Brian Kerr as his assistant at Partick :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

Apparently so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48120968

FWIW, they did win the game at QOS 3-0.

Just waiting on the comments about Caldwell having had Brian Kerr as his assistant at Partick :greengrin

Guess it could get interesting.

They could take turn about each week :greengrin

[Stevie Reid]

What scares me is that alot of these new managers are younger than me! How old is Maloney? 38?

He'll be 39 in January. Not actually that young for a Hibs manager:

Pat Stanton - 38
John Blackley - 37
Alex Miller - 37
Jim Duffy - 36
Alex McLeish - 39
Frank Sauzee - 35
Tony Mowbray - 40
John Collins - 38
Mixu Paatelainen - 40

The other more recent ones were all 41 - 45

[southern hibby]

If my memory serves me right ( and there’s a good chance I’m going to get this wrong) did Maloney not get sent of for a second yellow ( diving ) against us at ER. I think it was Lewis who was about to tackle
Him and he flung himself to the ground. Referee was having non of his play acting and booked him.

Think the final score was 0-0

Have I got this right or am I making it up?????


GGTTH

[hibs#1]

If my memory serves me right ( and there’s a good chance I’m going to get this wrong) did Maloney not get sent of for a second yellow ( diving ) against us at ER. I think it was Lewis who was about to tackle
Him and he flung himself to the ground. Referee was having non of his play acting and booked him.

Think the final score was 0-0

Have I got this right or am I making it up?????


GGTTH

McGeady I think.

[brog]

Don’t remind me !! :).

I know those live long in our memory - but his role was obviously much more than that as assistant to Collins ..

My main point tbh is that it is the back room staff that come with inexperienced coaches that can make a big difference on how likely they are to succeed.

I agree entirely but JC accepted Craig's advice when he signed AOB and Brian Kerr. Even experienced coaches have blind spots 're players and Collins was inadvertently let down by Craig on recruitment.

[southern hibby]

McGeady I think.

Happy with that at least Lewis isn’t getting dumped if Maloney gets the job 🤣🤣🤣


GGTTH

[Stevie Reid]

McGeady I think.

Aye, McGeady was definitely sent off at ER, with the second yellow being for a dive. Think Mowbray was their manager at the time? Thought we had lost the game, mind you.

[Hibbyradge]

If Luke Shanley and the red tops are reporting at as being a certainty, it will be.

:agree:

[southern hibby]

Aye, McGeady was definitely sent off at ER, with the second yellow being for a dive. Think Mowbray was their manager at the time? Thought we had lost the game, mind you.

Can’t remember but if I do remember Caldwell was playing that day for Celtic and stuck up for mcgeady after he got sent off ( even though I thought it was maloney…..

GGTTH

[Stevie Reid]

Can’t remember but if I do remember Caldwell was playing that day for Celtic and stuck up for mcgeady after he got sent off ( even though I thought it was maloney…..

GGTTH

Just been trawling...we lost 1-0. Caldwell was indeed playing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8226633.stm

[Bishop Hibee]

He'll be 39 in January. Not actually that young for a Hibs manager:

Pat Stanton - 38
John Blackley - 37
Alex Miller - 37
Jim Duffy - 36
Alex McLeish - 39
Frank Sauzee - 35
Tony Mowbray - 40
John Collins - 38
Mixu Paatelainen - 40

The other more recent ones were all 41 - 45

Great stats.

[Walter]

He'll be 39 in January. Not actually that young for a Hibs manager:

Pat Stanton - 38
John Blackley - 37
Alex Miller - 37
Jim Duffy - 36
Alex McLeish - 39
Frank Sauzee - 35
Tony Mowbray - 40
John Collins - 38
Mixu Paatelainen - 40

The other more recent ones were all 41 - 45

I now feel very very old

[FastEddieFelson]

Just been trawling...we lost 1-0. Caldwell was indeed playing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8226633.stm

The save boruc made that day was absolutely incredible

[Stevie Reid]

The save boruc made that day was absolutely incredible

One of the best I've ever seen.

[bigwheel]

Aye, McGeady was definitely sent off at ER, with the second yellow being for a dive. Think Mowbray was their manager at the time? Thought we had lost the game, mind you.

Was that the game Mowbray did a huddle with his team on the pitch after the match

[Stevie Reid]

Was that the game Mowbray did a huddle with his team on the pitch after the match

Think it was. Was a very hard watch at the time.

[jacomo]

I agree entirely but JC accepted Craig's advice when he signed AOB and Brian Kerr. Even experienced coaches have blind spots 're players and Collins was inadvertently let down by Craig on recruitment.


Craig wasn’t the right assistant for him. Things might have gone a lot better if he had someone else.

[Tobias Funke]

Was that the game Mowbray did a huddle with his team on the pitch after the match

Did Graham Stack not troll them by joining in their huddle that day? :greengrin

EDIT: He did https://mobile.twitter.com/footballremind/status/1104112854175793153

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/HQkDRcNTK68 - Very long and good interview with Caldwell there talking about his career and the last 15 minutes or so his management.

What is it that causes everyone to say he’s arrogant out of interest? Or is it because some just don’t like him because he cupped his ears against us.

[Stevie Reid]

https://youtu.be/HQkDRcNTK68 - Very long and good interview with Caldwell there talking about his career and the last 15 minutes or so his management.

What is it that causes everyone to say he’s arrogant out of interest? Or is it because some just don’t like him because he cupped his ears against us.

I’d be intrigued to know as well. Have only really heard him on Sportscene before and the only thing I’d say is that he comes across a little bit dull and dry on there - not that that’s unusual for a pundit on that programme.

Cheers for the link, will definitely have a proper listen. Jumped towards the end for a quick excerpt and heard him talking about fighting for bonuses for the whole squad when at Celtic and Wigan, and speaking to the CEO at Wigan after the FA Cup win to make sure that all staff at the whole club got a financial reward. Very amiable indeed.

Caldwell was a very good player for us, and I’ve no doubt that many people’s opinions are skewed because he went to Celtic - and gave a bit back to us after he got plenty from the stands when playing against us at ER.

Don’t have any issue with him. I find it pretty pathetic if folk dish out loads of stick to a player then get all precious if they do something in return.

[Dr_Regal]

He'll be 39 in January. Not actually that young for a Hibs manager:

Pat Stanton - 38
John Blackley - 37
Alex Miller - 37
Jim Duffy - 36
Alex McLeish - 39
Frank Sauzee - 35
Tony Mowbray - 40
John Collins - 38
Mixu Paatelainen - 40

The other more recent ones were all 41 - 45

Jim Duffy must have had a hell of a paper round

[bigwheel]

Did Graham Stack not troll them by joining in their huddle that day? :greengrin

EDIT: He did https://mobile.twitter.com/footballremind/status/1104112854175793153

He did that in a huddle before the game…..the one I was referring to, was when Mowbray created another one on the pitch after they beat us.


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[HoboHarry]

Jim Duffy must have had a hell of a paper round
FFS he must have been 28 when he was born......

[greenlad]

He'll be 39 in January. Not actually that young for a Hibs manager:

Pat Stanton - 38
John Blackley - 37
Alex Miller - 37
Jim Duffy - 36
Alex McLeish - 39
Frank Sauzee - 35
Tony Mowbray - 40
John Collins - 38
Mixu Paatelainen - 40

The other more recent ones were all 41 - 45

Also Bobby Williamson was 40 when he got the job.

[JimBHibees]

https://youtu.be/HQkDRcNTK68 - Very long and good interview with Caldwell there talking about his career and the last 15 minutes or so his management.

What is it that causes everyone to say he’s arrogant out of interest? Or is it because some just don’t like him because he cupped his ears against us.

Don't actually mind him in the grand scheme of things and if Maloney wants him as back up absolutely fine. Assuming their football philosophies are similar so makes sense to bring in someone you can trust and will reinforce your message. Don't think any other assistant appointment has been scrutinised this much in world football. :greengrin
Give them both a chance.

[JimBHibees]

I’d be intrigued to know as well. Have only really heard him on Sportscene before and the only thing I’d say is that he comes across a little bit dull and dry on there - not that that’s unusual for a pundit on that programme.

Cheers for the link, will definitely have a proper listen. Jumped towards the end for a quick excerpt and heard him talking about fighting for bonuses for the whole squad when at Celtic and Wigan, and speaking to the CEO at Wigan after the FA Cup win to make sure that all staff at the whole club got a financial reward. Very amiable indeed.

Caldwell was a very good player for us, and I’ve no doubt that many people’s opinions are skewed because he went to Celtic - and gave a bit back to us after he got plenty from the stands when playing against us at ER.

Don’t have any issue with him. I find it pretty pathetic if folk dish out loads of stick to a player then get all precious if they do something in return.

Agree totally I am allowed to abuse you for a whole game but how dare you have the cheek to pop back if you have the opportunity. Personally quite like when players do that indicates they have a bit about them. We used to love it, well some of us did apparently :greengrin when Jason Cummings did this when scoring against Hearts.

[CentreLine]

Also Bobby Williamson was 40 when he got the job.

Willie McFarlane was 39

[Piqué]

I see Alex Neil has missed out on the Ipswich job he was waiting for

[Sir David Gray]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

[Billy Whizz]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

Just seen this on bbc site…

[Dmas]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

I’m getting a bit fed up of this from players just now if I’m honest, I get it they liked the guy but it’s the performances they put in which has led the club to make the decision, had they all played better and got results their pal would still be in a job, cup final week and they know a new manager is coming in maybe about time they kept their unhappiness in house and put on a brave face for the media

[Heisenberg]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

Boyle and his teammates probably should’ve bucked their ideas up sooner then.

[hibbysam]

I’m getting a bit fed up of this from players just now if I’m honest, I get it they liked the guy but it’s the performances they put in which has led the club to make the decision, had they all played better and got results their pal would still be in a job, cup final week and they know a new manager is coming in maybe about time they kept their unhappiness in house and put on a brave face for the media

Not sure what you are expecting, players this week have to do media duties, a massive question is that of Jack Ross, they’re not going to turn around and say he should’ve been sacked.

[Just_Jimmy]

Just seen this on bbc site…That's a crap interview.

Also his comments about Australia annoy me too.

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[truehibernian]

Boyle and his teammates probably should’ve bucked their ideas up sooner then.

Martin showing his brains are indeed in his feet !

It’s an obvious question the players will get asked but they should have been pre-warned and advised to give a bland party line answer. Concentrate on the final, nothing else.

Keep your opinions private Martin and learn the PR game son.

[bigwheel]

I’m getting a bit fed up of this from players just now if I’m honest, I get it they liked the guy but it’s the performances they put in which has led the club to make the decision, had they all played better and got results their pal would still be in a job, cup final week and they know a new manager is coming in maybe about time they kept their unhappiness in house and put on a brave face for the media

You want them not to be honest ? They clearly feel for the guy and liked working with him. Don’t see anything wrong at all with what is said in that interview. Equally, they’ve not downed tools - so completely fine with what they are saying and what they are doing …

[The Spaceman]

That's a crap interview.

Also his comments about Australia annoy me too.

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I’d be saying the exact same if I were him. He’s a 28 year old who has spent his entire career in Scotland - of course a chance to play at the World Cup (including putting in some great performances in the final games to cement a place) is going to trump repetitive club commitments.

[MikeyS]

Not sure what you are expecting, players this week have to do media duties, a massive question is that of Jack Ross, they’re not going to turn around and say he should’ve been sacked.

Could easily say that it's never nice for someone to lose their job but the main focus now is the Final. No need for those comments from someone who is partly to blame in the manager loosing his job. Maybe he should've performed better in other games like he did in the semi and his mate would still be here.

[hibbysam]

Could easily say that it's never nice for someone to lose their job but the main focus now is the Final. No need for those comments from someone who is partly to blame in the manager loosing his job. Maybe he should've performed better in other games like he did in the semi and his mate would still be here.

Why is there no need? He’s hardly saying anything extraordinary. They quite clearly had a good relationship.

[Dmas]

You want them not to be honest ? They clearly feel for the guy and liked working with him. Don’t see anything wrong at all with what is said in that interview. Equally, they’ve not downed tools - so completely fine with what they are saying and what they are doing …

I want them to consider the wider impact of what there saying, we’re a team heading to a cup final about to appoint a new manager and our star player is still harping on about how dissapointed he is his and his pals poor performances led to a manager losing his job, I get he’s unhappy about JR going as with others but you’d think by now they’d have realised they had some part in the process and maybe start side stepping the questions to a more positive tone it’s not like they don’t have anything to look forward too

[MikeyS]

Why is there no need? He’s hardly saying anything extraordinary. They quite clearly had a good relationship.

What good does it do bringing it up 3 days prior to the final? I just find it pointless and something he could easily have brushed aside and fielded questions on the game ahead. He isnt smart enough for that though so it's not surprising. Lewis managed to express his points on JR much better earlier in the week.

[bigwheel]

I want them to consider the wider impact of what there saying, we’re a team heading to a cup final about to appoint a new manager and our star player is still harping on about how dissapointed he is his and his pals poor performances led to a manager losing his job, I get he’s unhappy about JR going as with others but you’d think by now they’d have realised they had some part in the process and maybe start side stepping the questions to a more positive tone it’s not like they don’t have anything to look forward too

No idea why you and some others are sensitive that Boyle liked playing for Ross and shares this in an interview. He played every week …It feels like you want him to ignore or deny that - perhaps just because you don’t like this narrative ..

That’s the reality . I don’t see anything wrong with it . I’m sure a player who hardly got a look in would likely have a different view

He’s not saying anything that suggests he didn’t have a part to play. Who knows what the full conversation was . Press will edit whatever they want the story to be

[hibbysam]

What good does it do bringing it up 3 days prior to the final? I just find it pointless and something he could easily have brushed aside and fielded questions on the game ahead. He isnt smart enough for that though so it's not surprising. Lewis managed to express his points on JR much better earlier in the week.

“We will walk out that day with pride but I think we will still be feeling a bit sorry for Potts and the gaffer for not leading us out.”

Stevenson basically saying the same in different words. Pretty much every player that has spoken this week has mentioned their disappointment at losing the manager. Yet here we are ripping into our best player. Strange bunch.

[Dmas]

No idea why you and some others are sensitive that Boyle liked playing for Ross and shares this in an interview. He played every week …It feels like you want him to ignore or deny that - perhaps just because you don’t like this narrative ..

That’s the reality . I don’t see anything wrong with it . I’m sure a player who hardly got a look in would likely have a different view

He’s not saying anything that suggests he didn’t have a part to play. Who knows what the full conversation was . Press will edit whatever they want the story to be

I’m not sensitive to the fact he likes playing for JR at all I expect that and u set stand he’s unhappy but his words have been taken and used as a headline because of the language he used..

‘ Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking

We’ve a cup final coming and this reads that our best performer isn’t happy, he could have as the poster above has said got his point across by brushing over it and focusing on other matters but we have that instead, what does the new manager think seeing headlines like that? it’s silly imo he’s out no thought or care into what he’s said

[bigwheel]

I’m not sensitive to the fact he likes playing for JR at all I expect that and u set stand he’s unhappy but his words have been taken and used as a headline because of the language he used..

‘ Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking

We’ve a cup final coming and this reads that our best performer isn’t happy, he could have as the poster above has said got his point across by brushing over it and focusing on other matters but we have that instead, what does the new manager think seeing headlines like that? it’s silly imo he’s out no thought or care into what he’s said

What did you expect him to say / feel like ? It was a stupid decision and timing.

[MikeyS]

“We will walk out that day with pride but I think we will still be feeling a bit sorry for Potts and the gaffer for not leading us out.”

Stevenson basically saying the same in different words. Pretty much every player that has spoken this week has mentioned their disappointment at losing the manager. Yet here we are ripping into our best player. Strange bunch.

I think there is a big difference, Lewis hasn't came away with words like harsh or certainly don't agree. He has played the game and acknowledged the players part in the departure and expressed his disappointment in someone losing their job. Martin has dived right in and give that fat Jambo Mclaughlin the headline he was looking for!

Don't see much ripping of our best player either, that's slightly dramatic. I've questioned his intelligence but that's not something that has ever been in doubt if you've listened to him enough over the years. It's actually a big part of his appeal in all honesty but he's shown a bit of naivety here in my opinion.

[Sir David Gray]

Could easily say that it's never nice for someone to lose their job but the main focus now is the Final. No need for those comments from someone who is partly to blame in the manager loosing his job. Maybe he should've performed better in other games like he did in the semi and his mate would still be here.

I'm not so sure the comments will go down too well with HQ either to be honest.

[Tyler Durden]

I think there is a big difference, Lewis hasn't came away with words like harsh or certainly don't agree. He has played the game and acknowledged the players part in the departure and expressed his disappointment in someone losing their job. Martin has dived right in and give that fat Jambo Mclaughlin the headline he was looking for!

Don't see much ripping of our best player either, that's slightly dramatic. I've questioned his intelligence but that's not something that has ever been in doubt if you've listened to him enough over the years. It's actually a big part of his appeal in all honesty but he's shown a bit of naivety here in my opinion.

Who cares about the headline?

He's been honest and he clearly is focused on the final and talks about the need to be ruthless to get a result. Not naive in the slightest, he's made his point.

[JimBHibees]

Just seen this on bbc site…

The fact Hearts fan McLaughlin is attached to it is concerning however don't give him the line to put the boot in. Should have been more careful imo however he probably asked the same question in 14 different ways before he got the answer. To be honest I tend to agree with him however nought we can do about that now.

[MikeyS]

Who cares about the headline?

He's been honest and he clearly is focused on the final and talks about the need to be ruthless to get a result. Not naive in the slightest, he's made his point.

I'd imagine the fat ******* that did the interview will be revelling in it for starters. He has always tried to rope a dope during his interviews at Hibs. Dunno why we still let the pig in the building.

[JimBHibees]

Martin showing his brains are indeed in his feet !

It’s an obvious question the players will get asked but they should have been pre-warned and advised to give a bland party line answer. Concentrate on the final, nothing else.

Keep your opinions private Martin and learn the PR game son.

Yep agree we can't control that decision and our sole focus is the final. If irritating Hearts journo asks it 23 times just say refer to previous answer.

[Smartie]

I think he needs to be careful, for his own sake.

As good a player as he is, a new manager is going to come in and it will be a clean slate for everyone.

He’s less likely to be all that swayed by Boyle’s track record and “gobby senior player” is a nail that might stick out quite far and be hit hard first.

[lord bunberry]

I completely agree with what Boyle says in that interview, but maybe if him and a few of his teammates had gotten their fingers out of their ***** a bit quicker Ross might still be in a job. It wasn’t Ross that blasted a penalty miles over at Livingston.

[JimBHibees]

I'd imagine the fat ******* that did the interview will be revelling in it for starters. He has always tried to rope a dope during his interviews at Hibs. Dunno why we still let the pig in the building.

Agree with that especially when you watch the press conferences always asking the same question in numerous ways to try and get a headline. Compare that to the deferential questioning of Lady budge and you will see the obvious difference.

[MikeyS]

Agree with that especially when you watch the press conferences always asking the same question in numerous ways to try and get a headline. Compare that to the deferential questioning of Lady budge and you will see the obvious difference.

Aye he is a snake

[Sioux]

I think he needs to be careful, for his own sake.

As good a player as he is, a new manager is going to come in and it will be a clean slate for everyone.

He’s less likely to be all that swayed by Boyle’s track record and “gobby senior player” is a nail that might stick out quite far and be hit hard first.

So, now Boyle has become a 'gobby player' and by that definition a problem for Maloney (or any other new manager)?

The amount of made up guff people post on here is quite imaginative.

[MikeyS]

So, now Boyle has become a 'gobby player' and by that definition a problem for Maloney (or any other new manager)?

The amount of made up guff people post on here is quite imaginative.

Smartie is big enough to answer for himself but he hasn't actually said that. You've chose to interpret it that way. He said it might be construed that way.

[Since452]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

He's just saying what many supporters are saying too. There are a lot who think Jack Ross should still be here.

[Hibbyradge]

There was nothing wrong with Martin's comments.

If anything it shows he's loyal to his friends and the people he respects. He's "certainly" been loyal to Hibs.

His and Lewis's remarks show the strength of feeling in the dressing room so it's just as well the new manager isn't in place yet.

They can go out with fire in their bellies and win the cup for Jack Ross.

[Sioux]

Smartie is big enough to answer for himself but he hasn't actually said that. You've chose to interpret it that way. He said it might be construed that way.

Aye very good. This response will have nothing to do with your negative view on Boyle's comments, whether induced by the hertz rat or not.

[04Sauzee]

There was nothing wrong with Martin's comments.

If anything it shows he's loyal to his friends and the people he respects. He's "certainly" been loyal to Hibs.

His and Lewis's remarks show the strength of feeling in the dressing room so it's just as well the new manager isn't in place yet.

They can go out with fire in their bellies and win the cup for Jack Ross.
I'm with u on this It seems much to do about nothing.
Pretty sure the new manager will have no issue regarding Boyles or anybody else's comments.

[bingo70]

There was nothing wrong with Martin's comments.

If anything it shows he's loyal to his friends and the people he respects. He's "certainly" been loyal to Hibs.

His and Lewis's remarks show the strength of feeling in the dressing room so it's just as well the new manager isn't in place yet.

They can go out with fire in their bellies and win the cup for Jack Ross.

I think it does show the new manager when they come in will need to tread carefully.

Probably stating the obvious but if the new guy comes in all guns blazing kicking a few ***** like some seem to want and try to make big changes too quickly, it could be difficult to win over this group of players I think.

[Smartie]

Smartie is big enough to answer for himself but he hasn't actually said that. You've chose to interpret it that way. He said it might be construed that way.

Exactly.

Boyle's clearly not a gobby senior player who needs knocked down a peg or two.

But he should be careful it doesn’t look that way to a new man coming in.

[Greenio]

Q - do you think it was Ron or Ben that made the call?

[MikeyS]

Aye very good. This response will have nothing to do with your negative view on Boyle's comments, whether induced by the hertz rat or not.

👍🏻

[FilipinoHibs]

Our we any closer to announcing the new manager?

[Hibbyradge]

I think it does show the new manager when they come in will need to tread carefully.

Probably stating the obvious but if the new guy comes in all guns blazing kicking a few ***** like some seem to want and try to make big changes too quickly, it could be difficult to win over this group of players I think.

That would be the case regardless of what the players thought about JR.

New managers don't come in "all guns blazing". They get to know the players and build relationships and trust.

To coin a phrase, you don't win over the dressing room in the early stages of management, but you can certainly lose it.

The idea that the immediate kicking of erses is needed is so naive, it's laughable. I know you aren't calling for that, Bingo.

[Greencore]

Our we any closer to announcing the new manager?

Monday.

[Hibbyradge]

Q - do you think it was Ron or Ben that made the call?

If you mean who made the decision, it will have been Ron.

[bingo70]

That would be the case regardless of what the players thought about JR.

New managers don't come in "all guns blazing". They get to know the players and build relationships and trust.

To coin a phrase, you don't win over the dressing room in the early stages of management, but you can certainly lose it.

The idea that the immediate kicking of erses is needed is so naive, it's laughable. I know you aren't calling for that, Bingo.

Yes, totally agree.

I’m really positive about Maloney and I’ve been defending Caldwell however if im honest. Caldwell does worry me a bit in terms of him coming in and trying to stamp his authority too early. I think Jack Ross is a difficult person to replace as he was clearly a popular manager with the players. I don’t doubt Maloney has the brains to deal with that, I’m probably not so sure about Caldwell on that front though, he seems a bit of a dingal.

[Rumble de Thump]

Q - do you think it was Ron or Ben that made the call?

A board decision.

[Stevie Reid]

I'm sure our new manager will be savvy enough to look beyond headlines. Boyle has been very loyal to Hibs, to sign a new contract - not once but twice - after two serious knee injuries, and when his stock has never been higher, says a lot about him.

I can't think that Maloney would look upon his comments as problematic in any way.

[Unseen work]

Boyle was also in the paper saying that Maloney would be an ambitious appointment and someone he can learn a lot from

He just speaks his mind, rightly or wrongly.

[Unseen work]

Think it will be an appointment today with it confirming he won’t take charge until Monday as he’s not took the players for a session.

Probably just a quick introduction today.

[04Sauzee]

I see the talk in the press about Maloney bringing in Caldwell and another unamed coach? Also there is uncertainty regarding SDG and Sampson when/If Maloney is announced.

[Stevie Reid]

I see the talk in the press about Maloney bringing in Caldwell and another unamed coach? Also there is uncertainty regarding SDG and Sampson when/If Maloney is announced.

Think both Samson and Gray will be safe until the end of the season at least - I think Maloney will want continuity, and it's not like he's coming from another club where he may have been likely to try and take the GK coach and others with him.

[MWHIBBIES]

I completely agree with what Boyle says in that interview, but maybe if him and a few of his teammates had gotten their fingers out of their ***** a bit quicker Ross might still be in a job. It wasn’t Ross that blasted a penalty miles over at Livingston.

Yeah, im sure they were all trying to play badly

[Willis1875]

Think both Samson and Gray will be safe until the end of the season at least - I think Maloney will want continuity, and it's not like he's coming from another club where he may have been likely to try and take the GK coach and others with him.

My guess would be David Marshall

[Stevie Reid]

My guess would be David Marshall

Good shout. Would certainly be happy with him as a player, dual coaching role could work nicely.

[Coco Bryce]

Very petty, but could the OP put a capital M in Maloney on this thread title.

My OCD is off the scale every time I see it !!!

[JimBHibees]

Good shout. Would certainly be happy with him as a player, dual coaching role could work nicely.

Personally would like that appointment

[greenlex]

I think it does show the new manager when they come in will need to tread carefully.

Probably stating the obvious but if the new guy comes in all guns blazing kicking a few ***** like some seem to want and try to make big changes too quickly, it could be difficult to win over this group of players I think.

Whoever it is if they are a decent manager all guns blazing is the very last thing they should do. I don’t want to see Maun Shaloney from the off.

[Greenworld]

I think it does show the new manager when they come in will need to tread carefully.

Probably stating the obvious but if the new guy comes in all guns blazing kicking a few ***** like some seem to want and try to make big changes too quickly, it could be difficult to win over this group of players I think.The new manager will do what he is paid to do manage.
There is no need to tread carefully if players don't respect him then its them that need to tread carefully.
I dont see any problems at all however we have a good bunch .
If from what I've read about how SM wants to play then the players will be delighted.


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[Northernhibee]

The more time goes on, the more I'm excited about this. I was disappointed we scrapped the idea of looking for ambitious, young and hungry head coaches as soon as Alan Stubbs left and thought we'd be well placed to continue looking for youth managers, assistant head coaches etc. with an interesting background. It suits us as a club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RU358urCIU - about an hour in he's on here.

[greenginger]

I think he needs to be careful, for his own sake.

As good a player as he is, a new manager is going to come in and it will be a clean slate for everyone.

He’s less likely to be all that swayed by Boyle’s track record and “gobby senior player” is a nail that might stick out quite far and be hit hard first.


I think Boyle’s comments might be down to a little guilt and responsibility for Ross getting his jotters.

Score the penalty, go on and win the game and Ross might still be behind his desk.

[WhileTheChief..]

Still clinging to the hope that this doesn't happen.

Give SDG the gig and be done with it.

[ian cruise]

If the new boss announcement was the same day as Ross was removed or the day after I could maybe understand why there were concerns over how players might react to the new man coming in however that's not the case.

Regardless of how much the players rated Ross he's gone and he's not coming back, there's no way they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Almost certainly the new man will come in, tell the players he thinks Jack Ross was doing a good job and he's fortunate to have that groundwork to start from (whether he believes it or not) then tell them things might be different but to give them a chance and that the hard work starts now to improve the league from. It's not rocket science.

[HFC93]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

[jacomo]

Martin showing his brains are indeed in his feet !

It’s an obvious question the players will get asked but they should have been pre-warned and advised to give a bland party line answer. Concentrate on the final, nothing else.

Keep your opinions private Martin and learn the PR game son.


Personally I welcome the honesty from squirrel.

Of course, no one will listen because cognitive bias overrides information!

[Smartie]

I think Boyle’s comments might be down to a little guilt and responsibility for Ross getting his jotters.

Score the penalty, go on and win the game and Ross might still be behind his desk.

Fair point tbh.

There are probably a few players who were happy working under Ross who will be asking themselves if they could have done more over the past few months.

[Hibbyradge]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

It won't be any different than when any interim manager is replaced really.

SDG isn't a manager, I'm not even sure if he's done all his coaching badges, so he's not expecting to stay in charge.

Also, if we do win, it'll be Jack Ross's team that did it, not SDG's although he'll obviously get some credit.

It would make it difficult to get him off the books as an employee though, unless he wants to coach elsewhere.

[Unseen work]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

This was my argument the other day when discussing it with friends and why I think Maloney should be in place for the final.

If Gray wins it a lot of fans will say he’s been in charge for 3 games and got 4 points plus won a cup. Then it would come and he should get and deserves the job which I don’t agree with, maybe in the future but not just yet anyway.

Maloney will have his new ideas etc but I’m not sure how players will take to a new manager coming in on Monday after just winning a cup. If you’re successful and win a cup then the next day a manager is telling you to change everything you’re rightly going to question why.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

If the club has indeed just won a cup, I'm sure all players, fans, new manager and staff alike, will be in good spirits and can think of worse situations.

[HFC93]

If the club has indeed just won a cup, I'm sure all players, fans, new manager and staff alike, will be in good spirits and can think of worse situations.

Aye, true but if Maloney loses his first few games it will all be ‘David Gray should have got the job' chat on here. A hypothetical situation which probably won’t happen you never know :hmmm:

[HendoDelivered]

Still clinging to the hope that this doesn't happen.

Give SDG the gig and be done with it.

😂😂😂😂

[Tyler Durden]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

It wouldn't be awkward or mad at all.

This is the ideal scenario that we're hoping for. SDG has no interest in the job and the players will be keen to impress the new head coach this weekend. I bet most of them are eager to get started under Maloney.

[Inconsequential]

What the h*ll is the fuss about? I don't see anything wrong whatsoever in Martin Boyle's comments. He wasn't disrespectful to anyone. Firing of managers is an occupational hazard that happens in football all the time. Martin Boyle rated Jack Ross and has stated as such. Martin Boyle will remain professional and will get on with things. My opinion only, thanks.

[ian cruise]

This was my argument the other day when discussing it with friends and why I think Maloney should be in place for the final.

If Gray wins it a lot of fans will say he’s been in charge for 3 games and got 4 points plus won a cup. Then it would come and he should get and deserves the job which I don’t agree with, maybe in the future but not just yet anyway.

Maloney will have his new ideas etc but I’m not sure how players will take to a new manager coming in on Monday after just winning a cup. If you’re successful and win a cup then the next day a manager is telling you to change everything you’re rightly going to question why.

We've got 4 points but the football has been the same as it was when Ross was here and the three points came from an own goal.

Not a dig at SDG as he's had little time to change things up however it's not like we've seen a huge change in performance to back up the argument he'd be deserving of the job full time. Even if we win the cup, the team showed they could do that vs Rangers in the semi but it wasn't enough to keep Ross in the post.

I am sure your right that some fans will be screaming we've made the wrong decision however I'd rather Gray doesn't become Sauzee part 2 and gets to step back and refine his craft a little longer before getting the main job and from what he's said publicly it seems he thinks the same.

[Stevie Reid]

Imagine what a mad scenario it would be if David Gray wins the cup (massive IF tbf) and Maloney is announced on Monday. It would be a massively awkward situation for Maloney and he would be under instant pressure because he's not David Gray. I'm all for Maloney by the way but it would be a bit mad.

I can't think of a less pressured situation for a manager to come into than at club that's just won a major trophy - the place will be bouncing, and the fans totally buoyant and in the best possible place. Who wouldn't want to arrive in such an atmosphere?

[jacomo]

I can't think of a less pressured situation for a manager to come into than at club that's just won a major trophy - the place will be bouncing, and the fans totally buoyant and in the best possible place. Who wouldn't want to arrive in such an atmosphere?


Which aspiring manager would refuse the opportunity to take a team to a major cup final? It seems odd to me.

[Northernhibee]

I can't think of a less pressured situation for a manager to come into than at club that's just won a major trophy - the place will be bouncing, and the fans totally buoyant and in the best possible place. Who wouldn't want to arrive in such an atmosphere?

Neil Lennon took over a team who won the Scottish cup and, in my opinion, got a massive amount of goodwill from an absolutely turgid season in a much easier league than previous years.

It'd be a dream scenario for Maloney to take over a cup winning team the day after.

[GloryGlory]

Which aspiring manager would refuse the opportunity to take a team to a major cup final? It seems odd to me.

How do you know any prospective new head coach has refused to take the team to a cup final?

[007]

It won't be any different than when any interim manager is replaced really.

SDG isn't a manager, I'm not even sure if he's done all his coaching badges, so he's not expecting to stay in charge.

Also, if we do win, it'll be Jack Ross's team that did it, not SDG's although he'll obviously get some credit.

It would make it difficult to get him off the books as an employee though, unless he wants to coach elsewhere.

Heard on the radio he's due to finish his badges in January.

[Stevie Reid]

Which aspiring manager would refuse the opportunity to take a team to a major cup final? It seems odd to me.

I don't think Maloney had the opportunity to refuse it.

[Northernhibee]

What benefit would there be for the team to start training in a specific manner and to play in a specific way only for that to change two days before the game?

Either Maloney has us playing the way that SDG intended in which case it would have been better for SDG to lead us out, or we end up with not enough time to prepare properly as we've chucked the initial plans in the bin.

What am I missing?

[timewilltell]

Which aspiring manager would refuse the opportunity to take a team to a major cup final? It seems odd to me.

I'm guessing that if he took it and we lost, it wouldn't be a good start to his management.

[Since452]

I'm guessing that if he took it and we lost, it wouldn't be a good start to his management.

The knives would be out already saying he couldn't win big games. Sounds silly but you'd be surprised.

[Hibernia&Alba]

When can we expect the announcement, if at all?

[bingo70]

The knives would be out already saying he couldn't win big games. Sounds silly but you'd be surprised.

After one game? 😂

No there wouldn’t.

[jacomo]

What benefit would there be for the team to start training in a specific manner and to play in a specific way only for that to change two days before the game?

Either Maloney has us playing the way that SDG intended in which case it would have been better for SDG to lead us out, or we end up with not enough time to prepare properly as we've chucked the initial plans in the bin.

What am I missing?


If you are a new manager who tries to implement a radically different game plan a few days before a major cup final, you are a moron.

There’s more to it than that of course: motivation, conviction, making the players believe in themselves.

[jacomo]

How do you know any prospective new head coach has refused to take the team to a cup final?


I’m putting 2 and 2 together.

Football managers can usually get to work very quickly if there is the will on all sides.

[Hibbyradge]

After one game? 😂

No there wouldn’t.

It would at least be held in the memory banks for use later.

[Callum_62]

Speaking of Big games - next 4 after the final are

Aberdeen
Dundee utd
Celtic
Hearts

That will set him big game record in stone


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[Hibs90]

I don't see anything wrong with Martin's comments to be honest. Don't get the uproar.

[HoboHarry]

What benefit would there be for the team to start training in a specific manner and to play in a specific way only for that to change two days before the game?

Either Maloney has us playing the way that SDG intended in which case it would have been better for SDG to lead us out, or we end up with not enough time to prepare properly as we've chucked the initial plans in the bin.

What am I missing?
A football fans hysterical perspective.

[cabbageandribs1875]

agree 100% with martin boyle :agree:












until i read further down he's missing three games as he's away with Australia....shut up boyle :wink:

[Hibernia&Alba]

I don't see anything wrong with Martin's comments to be honest. Don't get the uproar.


agree 100% with martin boyle :agree:












until i read further down he's missing three games as he's away with Australia....shut up boyle :wink:

I've missed this, what's been said?

[Numptie]

I don't see why he wouldn't sign on as manager but sit in the stand and let SDG take the team for the final. There's no time for tactical changes and he will be looking to sign a few players in the Jan window to make it 'his team' - so nothing to lose.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I've missed this, what's been said?



Hibernian: Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543) here ya go

[The 90+2]

What’s he said to annoy folk exactly?

[silverhibee]

Why the pejorative use of 'pal'? Do you not want a manager to be assisted by someone he knows and trusts? That's what the vast majority of managers do. We parachuted Derek Adams in with Calderwood and that was a terrible time. Think Jackie Mac snr was a similar one with Jim Duffy too.

Maloney obviously feels that Caldwell will have a lot to offer as his assistant - do you really think that a new manager wanting to make his way in the game would just give a mate (who is already an incredibly wealthy man) a job just for the sake of it?

Calderwood had to come in to training and ask players what they thought of Adams as a coach/person.

[Callum_62]

What’s he said to annoy folk exactly?He didn't agree with Jacks sacking and he should be there for the final

Boyle out!

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Hibernian: Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543) here ya go

Thanks mate :aok:

[silverhibee]

Martin Boyle 'certainly disagreed' with Jack Ross sacking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59680543

Boyle to move on in January window.

Boyle can disagree all he wants, maybe he should have called out the players who let JR down over the last 10 games that caused him to lose his job.

[The 90+2]

He didn't agree with Jacks sacking and he should be there for the final

Boyle out!

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Can see why he would think that. Hardly controversial.

[The 90+2]

Boyle to move on in January window.

Boyle can disagree all he wants, maybe he should have called out the players who let JR down over the last 10 games that caused him to lose his job.

Probably best not to do so the weekend of a final.

[silverhibee]

Martin showing his brains are indeed in his feet !

It’s an obvious question the players will get asked but they should have been pre-warned and advised to give a bland party line answer. Concentrate on the final, nothing else.

Keep your opinions private Martin and learn the PR game son.

:agree:

But the players wouldn’t have learnt anything from JR, the guy who through Ryan under the bus after the huns game where JR should have been savvy enough to say he hadn’t seen the incident yet but from where I was standing it didn’t look like a red, but no, slam dunk, Ryan should know better.

[Since452]

After one game? 😂

No there wouldn’t.

We've already had someone on here say they haven't been impressed with David Gray so far.

[silverhibee]

This was my argument the other day when discussing it with friends and why I think Maloney should be in place for the final.

If Gray wins it a lot of fans will say he’s been in charge for 3 games and got 4 points plus won a cup. Then it would come and he should get and deserves the job which I don’t agree with, maybe in the future but not just yet anyway.

Maloney will have his new ideas etc but I’m not sure how players will take to a new manager coming in on Monday after just winning a cup. If you’re successful and win a cup then the next day a manager is telling you to change everything you’re rightly going to question why.

I’m sure Maloney will have completed all his coaching badges, would there not be a problem if Gray is our manager and we get in to Europe will he be able to manage the team, Maloney can’t win here, if folk on here don’t think Maloney has the credentials for the Hibs job then neither does SDG no matter if he wins or not on Sunday.

To be honest, might be wrong but maybe SDG does feel he is not ready to become manager just now and needs to learn a bit more before that arises for him.

[silverhibee]

When can we expect the announcement, if at all?

My guess would be Tuesday if we win the cup, Monday if we lose it. :greengrin

[bigwheel]

My guess would be Tuesday if we win the cup, Monday if we lose it. :greengrin

Never a truer post ! :-)

[silverhibee]

I’m putting 2 and 2 together.

Football managers can usually get to work very quickly if there is the will on all sides.

Maybe things have still to be signed on the dotted line, I don’t know where Maloney stays just now but he might be house hunting for his family and getting other things sorted with the Belgium national authorities, things like this just don’t happen overnight.

[bigwheel]

Maybe things have still to be signed on the dotted line, I don’t know where Maloney stays just now but he might be house hunting for his family and getting other things sorted with the Belgium national authorities, things like this just don’t happen overnight.

Could be - Maybe they’ve decided that at this stage we should just focus on winning the final and avoid any other press distraction until after ? Probably makes sense now ….

[Hibbyradge]

Could be - Maybe they’ve decided that at this stage we should just focus on winning the final and avoid any other press distraction until after ? Probably makes sense now ….

I'm sure it is all of that and more.

You can imagine the press focus if an ex Celtc player took over Hibs a few days before a cup tie against Celtc.

How would he field questions about things like getting the team ready, the mentality needed, how the players were feeling etc, that's if he actually got any questions about Hibs at all.

It's the right decision, if it was a decision at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyle to move on in January window.

Boyle can disagree all he wants, maybe he should have called out the players who let JR down over the last 10 games that caused him to lose his job.

Boyle wont be going anywhere in January. On ever infact.

[jacomo]

Maybe things have still to be signed on the dotted line, I don’t know where Maloney stays just now but he might be house hunting for his family and getting other things sorted with the Belgium national authorities, things like this just don’t happen overnight.


You know and I know that they can happen very quickly if all parties want to make it happen, which was my point.

Gerrard was installed at Villa very quickly, despite being in a job mid season.

Maloney has nothing pressing that would prevent him moving.

[Hibiza]

Martin sssshhhhhh.

[Dazzjw1875]

Maloney has maybe been to EM already met the players and such just because we haven't announced it doesn't mean its not done. But could still be announced if completed and hold off on meeting media until Mon/Tues. Atleast for the fans to give a wee boost.

[Hibbyradge]

You know and I know that they can happen very quickly if all parties want to make it happen, which was my point.

Gerrard was installed at Villa very quickly, despite being in a job mid season.

Maloney has nothing pressing that would prevent him moving.

Gerard will have known about it well before it was announced

[Lago]

Boyle wont be going anywhere in January. On ever infact.
Unless the club decide he will.

[NC1875]

I’ve been told tonight that Maloney is a done deal, but he’s bringing in a foreign coach rather than Caldwell.

Caldwell is being considered but Don’t know if that’s as a 3rd coach or an alternative if the foreign guy doesn’t happen for whatever reason.

[Callum_62]

The way Martin talked about maloney and then added 'if it happens' makes me think it's done already and the players know

Interesting about the possible foreign assistant though

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[Bridge hibs]

The way Martin talked about maloney and then added 'if it happens' makes me think it's done already and the players know

Interesting about the possible foreign assistant though

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[Iain G]

I’ve been told tonight that Maloney is a done deal, but he’s bringing in a foreign coach rather than Caldwell.

Caldwell is being considered but Don’t know if that’s as a 3rd coach or an alternative if the foreign guy doesn’t happen for whatever reason.

Martinez as his number two? 😁

[Steven79]

Foreign assistant ?

Henry? :cb

[Iain G]

Henry? :cb

Fabrice Henry?

[HibeeBigFly]

I’ve been told tonight that Maloney is a done deal, but he’s bringing in a foreign coach rather than Caldwell.

Caldwell is being considered but Don’t know if that’s as a 3rd coach or an alternative if the foreign guy doesn’t happen for whatever reason.

Great news if true, I wouldn’t want Caldwell anywhere the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

Unless the club decide he will.

Well yes, but thats very unlikely.

[jacomo]

I’ve been told tonight that Maloney is a done deal, but he’s bringing in a foreign coach rather than Caldwell.

Caldwell is being considered but Don’t know if that’s as a 3rd coach or an alternative if the foreign guy doesn’t happen for whatever reason.


Mon the foreigners. Will get the hipsters back on side :wink: