Is there a chance the League Cup final will be played behind closed doors?

[bingo70]

Chelsea manager just said all his players covid tests were negative today so it’s on to tomorrows lottery now.

It’ll be the same with us and Celtic over the next 2 days games.

This isn’t a sustainable way for matches to continue, we might just get through this weekend but somethings got to give shortly.

[Hibbyradge]

It was still summer. You are contradicting yourself when saying South African are in summer so a mitigation (even though this new variant is there) yet when we were in summer our cases rose due to delta which is less transmission me than the new one.
It is a fact that respiratory viruses are more virulent in colder months. People don't get nearly as many colds in the summer and flu is predominantly a winter illness.

Covid is the same. It spreads more quickly in winter.

If our Delta infection rate was high last summer, it would have been much higher had it been winter.

South Africa can be thankful that it's not winter.

[Moulin Yarns]

when we were in summer our cases rose due to delta which is less transmission me than the new one.

I'll just leave you with that 😁👍

[LunasBoots]

Chelsea manager just said all his players covid tests were negative today so it’s on to tomorrows lottery now.

It’ll be the same with us and Celtic over the next 2 days games.

This isn’t a sustainable way for matches to continue, we might just get through this weekend but somethings got to give shortly.

If we can get through to the winter break then that might bring some relief

[Jamesie]

Seeing "lateral flow tests aren't accurate so I'm not taking one" chat on some of the facebook groups from Cup Final attendees.

This Cup Final is a complete nightmare.

[HH81]

Seeing "lateral flow tests aren't accurate so I'm not taking one" chat on some of the facebook groups from Cup Final attendees.

This Cup Final is a complete nightmare.

Muppets. They should be rejected if they don't have proof of it.

[HibeeHibernian4]

One of the biggest problems for the final will be staffing it. Security/ Officials not in attendance because of the virus.

There’s already been problems with the trains earlier this week I’ve heard with a shortage of drivers.

I honestly can’t believe the Government haven’t stepped in and made the decision to reschedule the game.

As it stands I’m still going but I’d rather it was called off now.

No security being there? Oh no! Who is going to wade into a nothing situation and end up making it ten times worse now?

[J-C]

I'm swithering about going now, I'm fully jabbed up to booster level but more worried about missing Christmas day with the family especially the grand kids.

[Carheenlea]

Proof of a negative lateral flow on entry to Hampden or any other football stadium would put a lot of fans concerns at ease. Should really be a given at any larger gatherings.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm swithering about going now, I'm fully jabbed up to booster level but more worried about missing Christmas day with the family especially the grand kids.

I'm going for the opposite reason, might not need to go to my brother's for Xmas dinner

[Sir David Gray]

Muppets. They should be rejected if they don't have proof of it.

According to someone on here the other day Hampden's not accepting negative tests on Sunday, only proof of full vaccination.

[J-C]

Proof of a negative lateral flow on entry to Hampden or any other football stadium would put a lot of fans concerns at ease. Should really be a given at any larger gatherings.

Problem there is hoping people are honest with their results.

[mcohibs]

Proof of a negative lateral flow on entry to Hampden or any other football stadium would put a lot of fans concerns at ease. Should really be a given at any larger gatherings.

There's a reason why LFTs aren't used en masse for admission. Too easy to fake a negative result and you'd get anti-vaxxed people entering the ground by doing exactly that.

Much more difficult to fake a passport which is the exact reason they are used in the first place.

[HH81]

I'm going for the opposite reason, might not need to go to my brother's for Xmas dinner

I know you're joking but don't want covid it's a shocker.

Stay safe and enjoy the game.

[HH81]

Rejected if they don't have proof of a lateral flow, what are you on about?

I meant if they don't have that or a passport.

[Lancs Harp]

It will be the first time Ive used my vaccine passport, do I just "flash" the QR code with the expirary date on it to who ever asks? Ive also printed a copy.

[HH81]

It will be the first time Ive used my vaccine passport, do I just "flash" the QR code with the expirary date on it to who ever asks? Ive also printed a copy.

I showed them my screen on phone with the qr codes.

Now has 3 of them as had the booster too.

[HH81]

You NEED a vaccine passport to get into the ground on sunday. It's not one or the other. Lateral flows cannot be used for admission to stadiums. I hope people are actually aware of this.

I thought it was confirmed you could have one or the other now in Scotland?

[Helensburghhibs]

It will be the first time Ive used my vaccine passport, do I just "flash" the QR code with the expirary date on it to who ever asks? Ive also printed a copy.

Mate you could flash your qr code for your tesco club card and still get in. But yeah just show it either online or on the app and you'll be fine

[Helensburghhibs]

You NEED a vaccine passport to get into the ground on sunday. It's not one or the other. Lateral flows cannot be used for admission to stadiums. I hope people are actually aware of this.

This information is out of date and inaccurate. Its either or now for events over 10k

[Sir David Gray]

You NEED a vaccine passport to get into the ground on sunday. It's not one or the other. Lateral flows cannot be used for admission to stadiums. I hope people are actually aware of this.

They can if Hampden's following the law.

This changed on 6th December.

[Sir David Gray]

It will be the first time Ive used my vaccine passport, do I just "flash" the QR code with the expirary date on it to who ever asks? Ive also printed a copy.

Yes, they only look at it for a split second it won't be studied or even scanned.

[hibbysam]

I'll just leave you with that 😁👍

And then have a look in South Africa to see the full extent of the new variant. There’s no need for cancelling football games or bricking it to leave your house. Live your life. And if not, leave the rest to do so.

[Potty78]

Few cancellations on our bus and I bet others are the same? St Mirren affected again as well as Dundee Utd. This should really have been put back till early next year.

[Lancs Harp]

Yes, they only look at it for a split second it won't be studied or even scanned.

Cheers SDG :aok:

[DIXIHIBS]

You NEED a vaccine passport to get into the ground on sunday. It's not one or the other. Lateral flows cannot be used for admission to stadiums. I hope people are actually aware of this.

I would be very surprised if there is many checks on sunday. Ive still to be checked at easter road and thats with crowds about 10k. No chance they will be checking even a small percentage of 50k. Despite warnings most people will still arrive last minute for KO having had a few shandies.

[PolmontHibby]

Few cancellations on our bus and I bet others are the same? St Mirren affected again as well as Dundee Utd. This should really have been put back till early next year.

I agree - it should have been moved to the old date of March to get us out of the winter months - but what are the chances of the SPFL being pro-active about these things, zero.

Out of 5 of us who have hotels/match ticket/coach ticket only 2 are actually going.

[mcohibs]

I'm wrong on the vaccine requirement, apologies HH81. Genuinely didn't know that had changed. Deleted my posts so that people don't take that info as being correct.

And to save my own embarrassment :greengrin

[HH81]

I'm wrong on the vaccine requirement, apologies HH81. Genuinely didn't know that had changed. Deleted my posts so that people don't take that info as being correct.

And to save my own embarrassment :greengrin

No worries I got my info off here anyway. SDG posted it before and he is pretty much spot on with everything except his Man u views 😁.

[WeeRussell]

And then have a look in South Africa to see the full extent of the new variant. There’s no need for cancelling football games or bricking it to leave your house. Live your life. And if not, leave the rest to do so.

If only all the scientists, experts and those who have suffered illness and loss through covid knew it was so simple.

[HH81]

If only all the scientists, experts and those who have suffered illness and loss through covid knew it was so simple.

I'm one of them who has suffered illness and seen the loss through covid with my own eyes. I listened in disbelief a gentleman phone his crying daughters from a hospital bed to tell them he wasn't coming home.

Months of sat in the house before waking up and changing my life, 4+ stone off, running 3 times a week and in much better shape these days. I still work from home and pretty much hardly go anyway.

I still feel and have for some months now we have to try move forward and I get for some people it's hard. I want to go to the football and rugby every week or as often as possible. I have had all the jabs and still worry to a degree but we have to keep going and try live the dream.

We can't have a lockdown every year.

[DIXIHIBS]

I understand peoples reasons for not going but if hibs.net is reflective of the whole hibs support ive got feeling there could be many thousands not going to the game.

[Northernhibee]

I'm one of them who has suffered illness and seen the loss through covid with my own eyes. I listened in disbelief a gentleman phone his crying daughters from a hospital bed to tell them he wasn't coming home.

Months of sat in the house before waking up and changing my life, 4+ stone off, running 3 times a week and in much better shape these days. I still work from home and pretty much hardly go anyway.

I still feel and have for some months now we have to try move forward and I get for some people it's hard. I want to go to the football and rugby every week or as often as possible. I have had all the jabs and still worry to a degree but we have to keep going and try live the dream.

We can't have a lockdown every year.

I'm not certain that those who are affected badly by long COVID are living the dream, nor those who have lost loved ones.

This is tough as hell just now there needs to be balance.

[500miles]

I understand peoples reasons for not going but if hibs.net is reflective of the whole hibs support ive got feeling there could be many thousands not going to the game.

Which makes a mockery of it going ahead in the first place. It's not just the game itself, it's the travel, it's the pubs.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I understand peoples reasons for not going but if hibs.net is reflective of the whole hibs support ive got feeling there could be many thousands not going to the game.

I dont think Hibs.net or posts on social media are at all representative, on this or many other issues to be honest.

[Northernhibee]

I understand peoples reasons for not going but if hibs.net is reflective of the whole hibs support ive got feeling there could be many thousands not going to the game.

I still wouldn't be surprised if there was the most last minute of u-turns if I'm honest.

[Hermit Crab]

Right thing to do is allow the game to go ahead and then let the fans choose if they want to go or not. Its now on us as individuals if we want to go or not, thats the way it should be.

[davhibby]

I still wouldn't be surprised if there was the most last minute of u-turns if I'm honest.

There’s no chance that happens now.

[Moulin Yarns]

And then have a look in South Africa to see the full extent of the new variant. There’s no need for cancelling football games or bricking it to leave your house. Live your life. And if not, leave the rest to do so.

You, yourself admitted that omicron is more transmissible than the delta variant which caused cases and hospitalisation to rise from July, in the summer. As others have pointed out, respiratory disease is worse in winter. What is happening in South Africa is irrelevant.

[hibbysam]

If only all the scientists, experts and those who have suffered illness and loss through covid knew it was so simple.

That depends which scientists and experts you listen to. Of course it’s not simple but for a year we were told we had to have lockdowns to save the NHS, to stop hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. We were told we would have to live with it thereafter. We have done that to a very low level now, yet now we get cases thrown in our faces.

We’ve lost far too many, however that’s nowhere near the case now and we can’t keep looking back. There has to be a point where we move forward and get on with our lives, especially when the facts and figures are telling us that serious illness is a much lower risk now.

Until an expert or scientist or politician gives me reason through facts to believe that this is severe now then I won’t change my opinion on threats of lockdowns.

[hibbysam]

You, yourself admitted that omicron is more transmissible than the delta variant which caused cases and hospitalisation to rise from July, in the summer. As others have pointed out, respiratory disease is worse in winter. What is happening in South Africa is irrelevant.

More transmissible doesn’t translate into serious illness necessarily. It’s a common fact that viruses weaken through mutations. Thankfully our numbers of hospitalisations, ICU and deaths make a case for clear optimism going forward, rather than fear and scaremongering.

You also said that cases go down in the summer and up in winter, even though the opposite has happened both here and in South Africa.

[DIXIHIBS]

I dont think Hibs.net or posts on social media are at all representative, on this or many other issues to be honest.

I hope thats the case. Be a shame for the place to be half empty. I would never downplay whats going on but i really hope things havent been over-hyped by government/media. There is a real panic building.

[timewilltell]

I'd guess at least 2 in 10 won't go now.

That's 3,400 empty seats.

[Hermit Crab]

I hope thats the case. Be a shame for the place to be half empty. I would never downplay whats going on but i really hope things havent been over-hyped by government/media. There is a real panic building.


Is there? Its pretty much business as usual for most industries, transport, travel, food and drink etc. All these places operating as normal as can be. You take a walk down the grass market tonight and you'll see it will be absolutely hoaching with folk out for a bevy.

[Moulin Yarns]

That depends which scientists and experts you listen to. Of course it’s not simple but for a year we were told we had to have lockdowns to save the NHS, to stop hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. We were told we would have to live with it thereafter. We have done that to a very low level now, yet now we get cases thrown in our faces.

We’ve lost far too many, however that’s nowhere near the case now and we can’t keep looking back. There has to be a point where we move forward and get on with our lives, especially when the facts and figures are telling us that serious illness is a much lower risk now.

Until an expert or scientist or politician gives me reason through facts to believe that this is severe now then I won’t change my opinion on threats of lockdowns.

We are 20 months into covid, non essential shops have been closed for 7 months, 3 at the beginning, March 2020 onwards and boxing day onwards for 4 months. The suggestion that we have have been in almost permanent lockdown pisses me off.

[Ronniekirk]

If someone comes into close contact with you a couple of days after and didn't go to the football, then that's not their choice.

Your assuming I am going to come back with it I take every precaution and will be going on my own and wearing a mask Taking own car
I won’t be seeing anyone else after game fir a few days Retirement has its benefits Have factored that in and will take Daily Lateral Flow Tests
Hospitalisations were down again today as they have been for past week
I may be wrong but I am of the view this isn’t going to be as bad as predicted by the doom mungers and that this is it weakening and by next winter it will be one jab combined fir flu and Corona
But maybe I am being too optimistic


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[Moulin Yarns]

More transmissible doesn’t translate into serious illness necessarily. It’s a common fact that viruses weaken through mutations.




Fact!!!?

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7839167002

[Northernhibee]

Your assuming I am going to come back with it I take every precaution and will be going on my own and wearing a mask Taking own car
I won’t be seeing anyone else after game fir a few days Retirement has its benefits Have factored that in and will take Daily Lateral Flow Tests
Hospitalisations were down again today as they have been for past week
I may be wrong but I am of the view this isn’t going to be as bad as predicted by the doom mungers and that this is it weakening and by next winter it will be one jab combined fir flu and Corona
But maybe I am being too optimistic


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What's your background in virology?

[Sir David Gray]

No worries I got my info off here anyway. SDG posted it before and he is pretty much spot on with everything except his Man u views 😁.

:greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

The Scottish Govt have told you to think carefully, and not to socialise. So you know what they think, they think you shouldnt go.

You sound like you want someone to tell you what to do. That sounds like you are trying to avoid taking responsibility and want someone else to do it for you.

They cant shut it down, for reasons explained by others elsewhere on this thread.

They could speak to the SFA and postpone it if they were really that concerned


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[WeeRussell]

That depends which scientists and experts you listen to. Of course it’s not simple but for a year we were told we had to have lockdowns to save the NHS, to stop hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. We were told we would have to live with it thereafter. We have done that to a very low level now, yet now we get cases thrown in our faces.

We’ve lost far too many, however that’s nowhere near the case now and we can’t keep looking back. There has to be a point where we move forward and get on with our lives, especially when the facts and figures are telling us that serious illness is a much lower risk now.

Until an expert or scientist or politician gives me reason through facts to believe that this is severe now then I won’t change my opinion on threats of lockdowns.

I don’t think any of the scientists or experts would suggest the time to move on and get on with our lives is while we’re tracking and learning from the first wave of the most transmissible strain yet.

I genuinely do hope you’re 100% correct and there’s absolutely nothing to worry about and we can get back to resuming normality again. I’d sooner be sensible for another few days to make sure that’s the case though. I’m also quite happy to bide in the house this next week if it ensures a regular Christmas Day with my family - appreciate that’s personal opinion though.

Because of the above - I think the game should probably have been postponed. But it goes ahead and I hope all the hibbies have a great day and bring the cup home.

[Helensburghhibs]

What's your background in virology?

Seen this a couple of times now,, what's yours ? You can literally find evidence online of whatever angle you want from "experts" our very own Jason leith stated at the weekend he wasn't concerned then had changed his tune by Tuesday. Read into it, make your own judgement and take actions accordingly. Then whatever you decide don't have a go at other people for deciding different.

[Northernhibee]

Seen this a couple of times now,, what's yours ? You can literally find evidence online of whatever angle you want from "experts" our very own Jason leith stated at the weekend he wasn't concerned then had changed his tune by Tuesday. Read into it, make your own judgement and take actions accordingly. Then whatever you decide don't have a go at other people for deciding different.

No, if someone puts something forward then I want to know what expertise that they have. I have no background in virology or airbourne viruses so I will take the study and collective viewpoint of respected experts and go from there.

The line that's trodden out of "we just need to get on with it and live with it" that you see all over the place is dangerous.

Unlike a lot of people, I'm not sick of experts.

[number9dream]

I understand peoples reasons for not going but if hibs.net is reflective of the whole hibs support ive got feeling there could be many thousands not going to the game.

The average age of users on this forum is knocking on above the average, I’d wager and yes I think it’s safe to assume a good few ticket holders will give it a miss.
I can walk to Hampden from my flat in 20 minutes, which rules out any issues with packed trains etc. However, I won’t be stopping for a pint on the way and if I find myself surrounded by drunken young team, who look like they’ve been up all night, I may well make a hasty exit.
Anyone not taking a LFT on the morning of the game is demonstrating extreme negligence, even if double vaxxed & boosted.

[Helensburghhibs]

No, if someone puts something forward then I want to know what expertise that they have. I have no background in virology or airbourne viruses so I will take the study and collective viewpoint of respected experts and go from there.

The line that's trodden out of "we just need to get on with it and live with it" that you see all over the place is dangerous.

Unlike a lot of people, I'm not sick of experts.

I'm not an expert either but it doesn't mean I can't form my own opinion. It seems to me the politicians are driving the chosen experts opinion rather than the other way around.

[Northernhibee]

I'm not an expert either but it doesn't mean I can't form my own opinion. It seems to me the politicians are driving the chosen experts opinion rather than the other way around.

But I want to know where your opinion is derived from, otherwise it's not worth the time of day without actual expertise that informs it.

Hence the question.

[hibbysam]

Fact!!!?

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7839167002

And was delta more deadly than the original version of the virus? I can’t find facts on the matter… there may be an odd exception but viruses that mutate get weaker as a general rule.

[JimBHibees]

The Blame everyone else game suits Sturgeon

Boris have you not got a party to go to :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I'd guess at least 2 in 10 won't go now.

That's 3,400 empty seats. don't think it will be anywhere near that number

[Ronniekirk]

South Africa is in summer, UK is in winter.


Look at the graphs over the 2 years of covid, summer, cases drop, winter, cases rise.

Yet again today in Scotland hospital cases dropped The weather thankfully has been mild so far
Not disputing cases will rise but as things stand they don’t know what impact the new variant will have on hospital admissions as there is no evidence the new variant is causing people to become more I’ll




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[Helensburghhibs]

But I want to know where your opinion is derived from, otherwise it's not worth the time of day without actual expertise that informs it.

Hence the question.

My opinion is based having to carry on with my job throughout this whole pandemic which by the very nature of it doesn't allow for any of the precautions put in place by the govt. Seeing that out of the literally hundreds of people who "tested positive" had no more severe symptoms than a rough flu (many none at all). Seeing how even though we are being told how rapid spreading it is, sharing the same atmosphere (completely closed conditions) for weeks with people who had a positive, didn't lead to a mass outbreak.

Like I said I'm no expert but I have seen enough over the past 2 years to make a judgement on my individual circumstances

[Moulin Yarns]

And was delta more deadly than the original version of the virus? I can’t find facts on the matter… there may be an odd exception but viruses that mutate get weaker as a general rule.

That's not what you said!

[hibbysam]

don't think it will be anywhere near that number

Couple of hundred max.

[kaimendhibs]

Right thing to do is allow the game to go ahead and then let the fans choose if they want to go or not. Its now on us as individuals if we want to go or not, thats the way it should be.

Correct

[hibbysam]

That's not what you said!

Similar to you saying our numbers are down in summer and up in winter, we can’t all be perfect 100% of the time. Enjoy the game from your sofa.

[JimBHibees]

Couple of hundred max.

:agree:

[heretoday]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gH2rQ1DffY

Remember that day?

[J-C]

Your assuming I am going to come back with it I take every precaution and will be going on my own and wearing a mask Taking own car
I won’t be seeing anyone else after game fir a few days Retirement has its benefits Have factored that in and will take Daily Lateral Flow Tests
Hospitalisations were down again today as they have been for past week
I may be wrong but I am of the view this isn’t going to be as bad as predicted by the doom mungers and that this is it weakening and by next winter it will be one jab combined fir flu and Corona
But maybe I am being too optimistic


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If only influenza would be so kind as to weaken and go away and yet the bloody thing still mutates, even after we hammer it with a vaccine every year. Viruses don't weaken, they mutate to survive, the next mutation could be the worst yet. Covid 02 or SARS was similar to the Omicron variant, it mutated to become Covid 19 and fairly deadly, it didn't mutate and become weak, quite the opposite.

[Ronniekirk]

100% agree with you kaimend.

i've had 3 jabs, but it is ridiculous anyone out there has not had at least 2 jabs yet. If they have not had 2 jabs, it is their personal choice not to have had them, so they should be excluded from events such as Sunday. Unfortunately this country has not been prepared to put this process in place. This is happening in other countries in Europe. By people not having at least 2 jabs they are potentially putting the services provided by the NHS under even more pressure.

I do hope everyone does take a rapid lateral flow test on Sunday morning. If positive please don't go. If I test positive I won't.

The number of unjabbed people being admitted to hospital is a significant issue
But like you taking every precaution possible I don’t see why we are being made to somehow feel selfish and guilty for going to a game that The Goverment and Football Authorities could easily have postponed if they thought it was going to be a Super Spreader event



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[Jay]

Right thing to do is allow the game to go ahead and then let the fans choose if they want to go or not. Its now on us as individuals if we want to go or not, thats the way it should be.

I disagree. If the game isn't postponed and we don't go we lose a fair bit of money between tickets and buses. Add to that that football fans are notoriously ruled by their heart, we need to be! The what if? What if we win and I'm not there especially since I shelled out all that money will totally over rule common sense. Hopefully most will do their best by doing LFTs and using hand gel and wearing masks, go straight there and back etc but it shouldn't be down to the fans. The game should be postponed.

[WeeRussell]

My opinion is based having to carry on with my job throughout this whole pandemic which by the very nature of it doesn't allow for any of the precautions put in place by the govt. Seeing that out of the literally hundreds of people who "tested positive" had no more severe symptoms than a rough flu (many none at all). Seeing how even though we are being told how rapid spreading it is, sharing the same atmosphere (completely closed conditions) for weeks with people who had a positive, didn't lead to a mass outbreak.

Like I said I'm no expert but I have seen enough over the past 2 years to make a judgement on my individual circumstances

In your informed opinion, do you reckon the numerous other people who have first hand accounts of people they know and love dying or being severely ill due to coronavirus are making it up?

And do you think the reports where it did spread rapidly and there were outbreaks are false?

[Northernhibee]

My opinion is based having to carry on with my job throughout this whole pandemic which by the very nature of it doesn't allow for any of the precautions put in place by the govt. Seeing that out of the literally hundreds of people who "tested positive" had no more severe symptoms than a rough flu (many none at all). Seeing how even though we are being told how rapid spreading it is, sharing the same atmosphere (completely closed conditions) for weeks with people who had a positive, didn't lead to a mass outbreak.

Like I said I'm no expert but I have seen enough over the past 2 years to make a judgement on my individual circumstances

I also have a line of work that has been absolutely massively affected by COVID but I also don't want the attitude some have of "we just need to learn to live with it" and end up going to work, catching it asymptomatically and passing it on to my partner who has a weakened immune system, asthma and has been slogging hard in the NHS through the whole thing.

There absolutely has to be balance and leadership. There needs to be some restrictions in order to ensure the safety of as many as possible.

[Ronniekirk]

What's your background in virology?

Man your unreal I am doing everything possible and more imo. to mitigate risk
Are you seriously suggesting we all just lock ourselves away again
I even made sure I got a seat at the end of a row
It’s clear opinion is divided on this issue and we are never going to agree
But I will come back Ona few days after the game and let you know how I am









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[Iggy Pope]

Seems that COVID splits opinion on Hibs.net like only Kevin Thomson can.

[WeeRussell]

Seems that COVID splits opinion on Hibs.net like only Kevin Thomson can.

You mean we’re not all agreed he’s a hun now? 😁

[FilipinoHibs]

Your assuming I am going to come back with it I take every precaution and will be going on my own and wearing a mask Taking own car
I won’t be seeing anyone else after game fir a few days Retirement has its benefits Have factored that in and will take Daily Lateral Flow Tests
Hospitalisations were down again today as they have been for past week
I may be wrong but I am of the view this isn’t going to be as bad as predicted by the doom mungers and that this is it weakening and by next winter it will be one jab combined fir flu and Corona
But maybe I am being too optimistic


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Hospitalisations are up 30% since last Monday. There is of course a lag between infection and severe ilness so things are going to get much worse.

[Iggy Pope]

You mean we’re not all agreed he’s a hun now? 😁

You see,, even a perceived ould Celtic sympathiser loike me can see the good in the man :aok:
I’ll let the commentary get back on track now though.

[Helensburghhibs]

In your informed opinion, do you reckon the numerous other people who have first hand accounts of people they know and love dying or being severely ill due to coronavirus are making it up?

And do you think the reports where it did spread rapidly and there were outbreaks are false?

No but I will base my opinion on what I have seen ,, and if others want to do the same I have no issue with that at all?

I do get my back up about being told how to live my life though and wouldn't dream of dictating to others how to live theirs

[Ronniekirk]

Hospitalisations are up 30% since last Monday. There is of course a lag between infection and severe ilness so things are going to get much worse.

It was on the news today there were 10 less people in hospital today than yesterday a few days ago they said 40 less people in hospital so are they incorrect in reporting that


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[WeeRussell]

No but I will base my opinion on what I have seen ,, and if others want to do the same I have no issue with that at all?

I do get my back up about being told how to live my life though and wouldn't dream of dictating to others how to live theirs

I’ve not seen anyone die with coronavirus with my own eyes. But It doesn’t make me think it’s not happening all over the world. That would be foolish.

[B.H.F.C]

Hospitalisations are up 30% since last Monday. There is of course a lag between infection and severe ilness so things are going to get much worse.

Hospital numbers have been steadily declining though….

Up to and including today.

[Helensburghhibs]

I’ve not seen anyone die with coronavirus with my own eyes. But It doesn’t make me think it’s not happening all over the world. That would be foolish.

Neither have I but I have seen young lads take their own life because of restrictions for a virus that the experts accept they are at minimal risk from.....

Ignoring that would be more foolish

[danger1875]

Hospitalisations are up 30% since last Monday. There is of course a lag between infection and severe ilness so things are going to get much worse.
where have you seen this as i've just looked at both sky and BBC showing Scotland admissions and deaths going down. Always looking to get the most accurate data are you sure you've not looked at infections cause they have certainly gone up about that amount.

[greenginger]

where have you seen this as i've just looked at both sky and BBC showing Scotland admissions and deaths going down. Always looking to get the most accurate data are you sure you've not looked at infections cause they have certainly gone up about that amount.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

as of today 522 covid patients in hospital , 33 of those in intensive care.

7 days ago 570 in hospital , 48 in intensive care.

[Hibees1973]

Let's face it, the final is an away game for Hibs and a home game for Celtic, geographically.

So, the Hibs support going through to Glasgow is likely the biggest away support to a football game across the whole of Europe this weekend. To my mind I cannot think of another cup final or major sporting occasion which will move thousands of people over a 3-4 hr period. Nearly 20,000 packed on buses/trains. Remember it's only a game of football and could be played at a more sensible time.

Is this not considered a super-spreader event by the Scottish Government I don't know what is.

I deem playing the game this weekend as unnecessary. Just postpone the game and re-arrange it to another date at a suitable time.

I posted this comment at the start of the week (Monday 13/12) and will reiterate that the game should not be played on Sunday. Since I posted the comment, the Covid situation has spiralled out of control with the amount of people now infected across the country. The UK & Scottish Gov are as much to blame as each other. Much as Westminster holds the purse strings, the Scottish Gov does have the power to postpone the game. The SFA have all their ticket money, so they are happy. As I mentioned there is no sporting event across Europe this weekend where 20,000 people are being funnelled 50 miles to a venue.

It now seems the only way the game will be postponed now is if any of the Hibs or Celtic players test positive. I no way wish any player to get really ill with covid, but if this happens it will be a good thing.

Please do not take this as any criticism of any political party. Covid is much bigger than politics.

Surely, even at this late stage, someone in the Scottish Government will see sense and postpone the game.

[Ronniekirk]

Hospital numbers have been steadily declining though….

Up to and including today.

Yeo but some people don’t seem to want to deal with facts


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[Jamesie]

Surely, even at this late stage, someone in the Scottish Government will see sense and postpone the game.

Sadly, whilst they would undoubtedly be the most sensible course of action, I fear the ship has sailed.

[danger1875]

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

as of today 522 covid patients in hospital , 33 of those in intensive care.

7 days ago 570 in hospital , 48 in intensive care.

thanks, that must be were the news outlets get their data from as their graphs show downward movement that follows the above

[SaulGoodman]

Ireland announce 50% capacity limit on events

[danger1875]

so watching the BBC who are reporting that unless the UK Gov pay for the cancellation of the game it will go ahead. Up to fans now and their own view point on whether they go to the game.

[skankomcphee]

Cup Finals have a bad history of attracting the real dregs of our so called "support" - punters who you never see at Easter Road week in or week out and who tend to be bevvied, chinged or both: out of their faces and who barely see any of the game.

Exactly the type who won't give a flying about a face mask or having a lateral flow test, or probably even a vaccine.

Praying that none of this pond life is anywhere near us on Sunday.

[hibeerealist]

Cup Finals have a bad history of attracting the real dregs of our so called "support" - punters who you never see at Easter Road week in or week out and who tend to be bevvied, chinged or both: out of their faces and who barely see any of the game.

Exactly the type who won't give a flying about a face mask or having a lateral flow test, or probably even a vaccine.

Praying that none of this pond life is anywhere near us on Sunday.

We are all Hibbies, some better behaved than others, but “pondlife” !!!! A wee retraction needed there mate

[He's here!]

so watching the BBC who are reporting that unless the UK Gov pay for the cancellation of the game it will go ahead. Up to fans now and their own view point on whether they go to the game.

What 'payment' would the UK government be making? The game has nothing to do with them. It would simply be postponed by the SFL, not cancelled.

[Moulin Yarns]

Similar to you saying our numbers are down in summer and up in winter, we can’t all be perfect 100% of the time. Enjoy the game from your sofa.

Uncalled for. 🙄

[Moulin Yarns]

If only influenza would be so kind as to weaken and go away and yet the bloody thing still mutates, even after we hammer it with a vaccine every year. Viruses don't weaken, they mutate to survive, the next mutation could be the worst yet. Covid 02 or SARS was similar to the Omicron variant, it mutated to become Covid 19 and fairly deadly, it didn't mutate and become weak, quite the opposite.

That can't be right, I read one of our experts say categorically that mutations of viruses always weaken. 🙄

[Moulin Yarns]

We are all Hibbies, some better behaved than others, but “pondlife” !!!! A wee retraction needed there mate

I have a pond and absolutely love the pond life in it.

[Dashing Bob S]

So far omicron has proven a poor signing for covid. If the hype about his spell in South Africa is realized here, a lot of fuss for not much return. He’s still prove to be covid’s Malonga rather than Hurtado, but the jury is out.

[kaimendhibs]

This thread boils down to one thing. If you dont feel safe, dont go.
If you have had jags and do, go

[Since452]

This thread boils down to one thing. If you dont feel safe, dont go.
If you have had jags and do, go

That's it. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head. It's choice.

[skankomcphee]

We are all Hibbies, some better behaved than others, but “pondlife” !!!! A wee retraction needed there mate

Not sure if somebody who crawls out every few years for a cup final that they are too hammered to remember but still manage to go boxing or cause nuisance for other fans is really a Hibby to be honest.

[J-C]

That can't be right, I read one of our experts say categorically that mutations of viruses always weaken. 🙄

Is the flu weaker every year?
They contained SARS in 2002 but in 2019 it mutated to become what it is now. It's one of those myths that they get weaker, hence why the flu and the cold are still with us every year. Some mutations will be weaker and some stronger, it depends on the virus.
Simple google search and reading some research from expert virologists.

[h1bs4life]

This thread boils down to one thing. If you dont feel safe, dont go.
If you have had jags and do, go

Spot on , so far the game is on , everyone has a choice either go or don’t go.
I have had 3 vaccines and the others I am going with have been doubled jabbed and had the booster so we will be there.

[Brummie_Hibs]

The number of unjabbed people being admitted to hospital is a significant issue
What I consider a bigger issue is the number of people being hospitalised and dying even after having been vaccinationed.

But those stats never make the headlines, S it doesn't fit the narrative. But the data is there if you dig around Govt websites.

[DIXIHIBS]

A lot of talk about pondlife on here. People should have a look on keekback if they want real pondlife. I get them wanting hibs getting beat on Sunday but some of the comments...career ending injuries etc...not good. Their hatred of hibs is off the scale.

[Jones28]

A lot of talk about pondlife on here. People should have a look on keekback if they want real pondlife. I get them wanting hibs getting beat on Sunday but some of the comments...career ending injuries etc...not good. Their hatred of hibs is off the scale.

I wouldn’t pay any attention to it. Theyre gutted were having a ***** season, are in a cup final and are still well in touch with them.

[DIXIHIBS]

I wouldn’t pay any attention to it. Theyre gutted were having a ***** season, are in a cup final and are still well in touch with them.

Aye shouldn't look but sometimes curious how their wee minds work.

[Lancs Harp]

What I consider a bigger issue is the number of people being hospitalised and dying even after having been vaccinationed.

But those stats never make the headlines, S it doesn't fit the narrative. But the data is there if you dig around Govt websites.

Personally a much bigger issue for me is the number of people in ICU who havent been vaccinated. There was a piece on our local news last night from either Burnley or Blackburn hospital, cant remember which, they had 11 people in the their Covid ICU and 9 of them hadnt been vaccinated, considering the numbers vaccinated I think thats a very high percentage of non vaxed people in ICU.

[Iggy Pope]

A lot of talk about pondlife on here. People should have a look on keekback if they want real pondlife. I get them wanting hibs getting beat on Sunday but some of the comments...career ending injuries etc...not good. Their hatred of hibs is off the scale.

Why do you look ? It’s not a habit of mine granted, but what’s to be gained?

[Ronniekirk]

What I consider a bigger issue is the number of people being hospitalised and dying even after having been vaccinationed.

But those stats never make the headlines, S it doesn't fit the narrative. But the data is there if you dig around Govt websites.

You would need those broken down though Age group did they have underlying health issues etc
I know elderly people that have died within weeks and in some cases three days of being given flu and booster jab together
I keep an open mind as to what may have caused thier death

But equally I know people who work in hospitals snd intensive care units and they report biggest number of admissions just now are unvaccinated people
Equally i know lots of unvaccinated people who have been healthy all the way through this and will never take any vaccination






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[The dalmeny]

What I consider a bigger issue is the number of people being hospitalised and dying even after having been vaccinationed.

But those stats never make the headlines, S it doesn't fit the narrative. But the data is there if you dig around Govt websites.

link?

[danger1875]

What 'payment' would the UK government be making? The game has nothing to do with them. It would simply be postponed by the SFL, not cancelled.

I assume if the Scottish gov cancel the game, then the SPL would look for compensation to cover refunds and they have no funds to pay for it. I was only relaying what was on the news so have no real answer to your question.

[Itsnoteasy]

I assume if the Scottish gov cancel the game, then the SPL would look for compensation to cover refunds and they have no funds to pay for it. I was only relaying what was on the news so have no real answer to your question.

That's what I took from Sturgeon press conference. If she shuts pubs, clubs sport stadia they have no money to compensate them.

[Lancs Harp]

That's what I took from Sturgeon press conference. If she shuts pubs, clubs sport stadia they have no money to compensate them.

The only way the game will be called off at this stage is if either us or Celtic report a Covid outbreak.

[GreenCastle]

Personally a much bigger issue for me is the number of people in ICU who havent been vaccinated. There was a piece on our local news last night from either Burnley or Blackburn hospital, cant remember which, they had 11 people in the their Covid ICU and 9 of them hadnt been vaccinated, considering the numbers vaccinated I think thats a very high percentage of non vaxed people in ICU.

Basically the vaccinated people are the paying the price with ongoing restrictions and the unvaccinated are using up valuable resources in the NHS by not wanting to get a vaccine. There will always be a % of people who won’t be vaccinated - kids - anti vax etc.

No one should feel guilty about attending Sunday or not attending. It’s a life choice - like smoking - alcohol - exercising - diet etc.

Don’t forget at Christmas you will have gatherings around Scotland and U.K. all mostly indoors with many people and elderly too. All sitting close together. Some people love Christmas - some people don’t like it for various reasons. Same with New Year. This could easily be a super spreader amongst families.

On Sunday I will probably come into less contact with people than going to my local supermarket or gym - like most things over the last year or so there are many inconsistencies and one size doesn’t fit all - personal choice as I said should be respected. I’m glad they haven’t pulled the game and let people go and enjoy themselves. Hibs mean a lot to many people and for many seeing the game live in 2016 was the best day of their lives. The cup final this Sunday could be the best day for some fans if Hibs manage to get a positive result. It could also be the last cup final some fans may ever see live as who knows when Hibs will be next in a final.

[StockholmHibs]

Cup Finals have a bad history of attracting the real dregs of our so called "support" - punters who you never see at Easter Road week in or week out and who tend to be bevvied, chinged or both: out of their faces and who barely see any of the game.

Exactly the type who won't give a flying about a face mask or having a lateral flow test, or probably even a vaccine.

Praying that none of this pond life is anywhere near us on Sunday.

Seriously? "POND LIFE" just because you don't drink let others enjoy there selves.
We all cant be like you.....relax. Takes all sorts to be a human

[h1bs4life]

Personally a much bigger issue for me is the number of people in ICU who havent been vaccinated. There was a piece on our local news last night from either Burnley or Blackburn hospital, cant remember which, they had 11 people in the their Covid ICU and 9 of them hadnt been vaccinated, considering the numbers vaccinated I think thats a very high percentage of non vaxed people in ICU.

This article appeared on my time line which would tend to agree with what you are saying https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-59699891

Not sure if it is the same throughout the UK

[marinello59]

So far omicron has proven a poor signing for covid. If the hype about his spell in South Africa is realized here, a lot of fuss for not much return. He’s still prove to be covid’s Malonga rather than Hurtado, but the jury is out.

Don’t do drugs kids.

[skankomcphee]

Seriously? "POND LIFE" just because you don't drink let others enjoy there selves.
We all cant be like you.....relax. Takes all sorts to be a human

I had my laddie with me at the Ross County final in 2016 and at full time I had a so called fan wanting a square go with me. He could barely stand up. A complete ****bag to be honest and "being a Hibby" doesn't change that for me. I don't think I'm anything special - I just don't pick square gos for nae reason, especially with folk with bairns with them.

[Iggy Pope]

Don’t do drugs kids.

I remember a time when Dashing Bobs posts were greeted with the fun intended. Things were better then.

[FilipinoHibs]

I know we have a lot of infectious disease experts on here and we are thankful for their insight. But here is another view, don't know they are credible or not:


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/no-evidence-that-covid-omicron-variant-less-severe-than-delta-uk-study.html

[Libby Hibby]

If you feel unsafe and exposed, then please don’t go.

If you’re jagged and are sensible enough to follow the current advice, then go.

This constant ‘I have to be right’ attitude is just tiresome.

[wookie70]

Hospitalisations are up 30% since last Monday. There is of course a lag between infection and severe ilness so things are going to get much worse.

From what I can see hospital patients with Covid have fallen steadily since the 3rd December from 652 to 522 and in ICU less than 28 days from 46 to 33. Those in ICU over 28 days up from 14 to 15. I presume you are talking overall numbers that would normally rise in winter. There is a lag as you say so it may look very different in a few weeks and of course could be better if Omicron isn't as deadly. One of my mates has had a positive test and that is the first one I have heard of for quite a while.

[Stairway 2 7]

I know we have a lot of infectious disease experts on here and we are thankful for their insight. But here is another view, don't know they are credible or not:


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/no-evidence-that-covid-omicron-variant-less-severe-than-delta-uk-study.html

It was from 1500 delta hospitalisations and 24! Omicron hospitalisations, the report said its too early to take anything meaningful from it at all, but newspapers need website clicks

[FilipinoHibs]

Also here is the data that shows hospitalisations are up by 122 in 4 days (+30%).

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

[Stairway 2 7]

Also here is the data that shows hospitalisations are up by 122 in 4 days (+30%).

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

No it doesn't

[PH91]

The 'don't go if you don't want to risk catching covid, we need to keep living our lives' argument is reasonable at the moment for run of the mill league games.

A cup final is completely different, though. It is a big occasion for hibs fans and winning is something that will likely only happen a handful of times in a fans lifetime. It isn't right that some people are having to choose between attending and trying to keep themselves/family/friends safe from a potentially deadly virus, particularly at this time of uncertainty. I will be going to the game but imo it should have been postponed until later next year.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShabirMadh/status/1471949788358877198

Shabir Madhi

@ShabirMadh

One week later and heading into week 5 of Omicron wave in Gauteng SA and outlook remains positive for what matters most - relatively low rates of severe disease and death. Many other provinces now also showing rapid rate of increase, however in Gauteng:

Wave of Covid cases has peaked and on a downward trajectory already. Peaked 4 weeks after onset , compared with peaking at 8 weeks after onset in previous 2 waves. Has peaked at same positivity rate of 38%, but at lower case rate per 100000 than delta.

Hospitalisation rate in Gauteng seemingly plateaued at one third of where delta peaked, although cases in hospital include coincidental infection. May explain shorter stay ( 3.5 d) than before (8d). Unclear if mainly causing bronchitis vs LRTI ( re lab experiment)

Although death rate increasing , coming off an extremely low base rate, as dropped close to zero after Delta wave. Current excess death rate 1 per 100,000 (11Dec) lower than the previous inter-wave period prev. Excess Death rate at peak of Delta as 25 per 100,000. Next 2 wks?

[K-Zazu]

This thread needs to go away and never return

[Iggy Pope]

Do we now need a poll on why people might not go and adding the wide ranging worldwide opinion on why they might or might not go as the reasons why? Come on pollsters get the percentages going so we can all **** off to the game or stay in.

[eastterrace]

Also here is the data that shows hospitalisations are up by 122 in 4 days (+30%).

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Hospitalisation are down today, so looking at your link we’re does it show it’s up 122 in 4 days.

[Moulin Yarns]

Is the flu weaker every year?
They contained SARS in 2002 but in 2019 it mutated to become what it is now. It's one of those myths that they get weaker, hence why the flu and the cold are still with us every year. Some mutations will be weaker and some stronger, it depends on the virus.
Simple google search and reading some research from expert virologists.

I should have made it clear that I was being sarcastic as I was told by another poster on this thread that it was a fact that each mutation got weaker. A quick Google proved that to be another myth.

[wookie70]

Also here is the data that shows hospitalisations are up by 122 in 4 days (+30%).

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/

That shows the same figure as I narrated, 522, but the figure for 4 days ago was 561. So a reduction of 40 hospitalisations from Covid. No idea where you are getting the 30% from. Incidentally that is around a quarter that were hospitalised in January last year

[Chuck Rhoades]

Why are people obsessed with being “right” about such a topic?

If you are comfortable going, go.

If not, don’t go.

There isn’t a right or wrong, it’s a matter of choice.

There’s absolutely no need to belittle those who are going or those who aren’t.

[J-C]

What I consider a bigger issue is the number of people being hospitalised and dying even after having been vaccinationed.

But those stats never make the headlines, S it doesn't fit the narrative. But the data is there if you dig around Govt websites.


I had someone in the taxi a week or so ago who works in the hospital in the covid wards and ICU, he told me over 95% of people there are unvaccinated, enough said.

[J-C]

I should have made it clear that I was being sarcastic as I was told by another poster on this thread that it was a fact that each mutation got weaker. A quick Google proved that to be another myth.


Yea sorry misread your post and now see the sarcasm, my apologies, my post still stands though. :greengrin

[eastterrace]

Why are people obsessed with being “right” about such a topic?

If you are comfortable going, go.

If not, don’t go.

There isn’t a right or wrong, it’s a matter of choice.

There’s absolutely no need to belittle those who are going or those who aren’t.
Cause people are giving false figures which is scaremongering. I agree go if you want to and get on with your life but when people spout crap it does my noddle in.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yea sorry misread your post and now see the sarcasm, my apologies, my post still stands though. :greengrin

Yep, totally agree 👍

[JeMeSouviens]

That shows the same figure as I narrated, 522, but the figure for 4 days ago was 561. So a reduction of 40 hospitalisations from Covid. No idea where you are getting the 30% from. Incidentally that is around a quarter that were hospitalised in January last year

The figure you are giving is current number in hospital not new admissions. Most will have been admitted days if not weeks ago.

I don’t know what the number is for new admissions.

[WeeRussell]

Why are people obsessed with being “right” about such a topic?

If you are comfortable going, go.

If not, don’t go.

There isn’t a right or wrong, it’s a matter of choice.

There’s absolutely no need to belittle those who are going or those who aren’t.

I don’t think many are telling anyone else that they should or shouldn’t be going. A bit of debate about whether the game should have went ahead or not, people giving their reasons for their own choice and some usual conflicting opinions on the pandemic in general… basically like every other thread on the forum? And I think people are right to put down any crass and careless statements or indeed pull any misinformation up.

This next point isn’t aimed specifically at you… I Never understand why after a few pages on a thread, one or two posters come along like the voice of reason with the “close thread” or “go if you want don’t if you don’t” and nothing else, as if everyone is just going to stop posting immediately afterwards because they hadn’t realised it was their own choice.

[Stairway 2 7]

The figure you are giving is current number in hospital not new admissions. Most will have been admitted days if not weeks ago.

I don’t know what the number is for new admissions.

It's falling fast still so not that

25379

[Ronniekirk]

This thread needs to go away and never return

It will on Sunday when it’s clear the game is going ahead but it’s interesting reading different viewpoints


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[wookie70]

The figure you are giving is current number in hospital not new admissions. Most will have been admitted days if not weeks ago.

I don’t know what the number is for new admissions.

I know I was replying to a post about hospitalisations rather than new hospitalisations and from another poster the new hospitalisation figure is falling too. All good news but early days for this variant. Just checked the figure I was quoting and it is for recently confirmed cases and is the total of those cases

[kaimendhibs]

I had my laddie with me at the Ross County final in 2016 and at full time I had a so called fan wanting a square go with me. He could barely stand up. A complete ****bag to be honest and "being a Hibby" doesn't change that for me. I don't think I'm anything special - I just don't pick square gos for nae reason, especially with folk with bairns with them.

👏👏👏

[kaimendhibs]

I remember a time when Dashing Bobs posts were greeted with the fun intended. Things were better then.

Me too.

[kaimendhibs]

Why are people obsessed with being “right” about such a topic?

If you are comfortable going, go.

If not, don’t go.

There isn’t a right or wrong, it’s a matter of choice.

There’s absolutely no need to belittle those who are going or those who aren’t.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[Pretty Boy]

I've done a complete u turn and I'm now firmly of the opinion the game should be postponed and played in March.

A totally unselfish opinion formed only on the basis of hard facts rather than personal circumstance.

[wookie70]

I've done a complete u turn and I'm now firmly of the opinion the game should be postponed and played in March.

A totally unselfish opinion formed only on the basis of hard facts rather than personal circumstance.

I'm really looking forward to it and suspect we would have a better chance on Sunday than March due to their injuries. However, I agree with you that the game should be called off. Even reading this thread we have good Hibbies feeling unable to go and they aren't ill at the moment. We also have other losing money on buses and then conveners will be praying enough travellers turn up to pay the buses. Those buses will have been booked to go to social clubs who are now shut and all the timings will be miles off. I was always driving and don't drink but the "day out" won't be happening for most and that is a big part of Cup Finals. The biggest factor though is the government are pretty clear about telling us we shouldn't go but are cowardly imo not calling off this and other events.

[greenlex]

I've done a complete u turn and I'm now firmly of the opinion the game should be postponed and played in March.

A totally unselfish opinion formed only on the basis of hard facts rather than personal circumstance.
I’m glad it’s not got your sense of humour. :thumbsup: Speedy recovery.:aok:

[WeeRussell]

I'm really looking forward to it and suspect we would have a better chance on Sunday than March due to their injuries. However, I agree with you that the game should be called off. Even reading this thread we have good Hibbies feeling unable to go and they aren't ill at the moment. We also have other losing money on buses and then conveners will be praying enough travellers turn up to pay the buses. Those buses will have been booked to go to social clubs who are now shut and all the timings will be miles off. I was always driving and don't drink but the "day out" won't be happening for most and that is a big part of Cup Finals. The biggest factor though is the government are pretty clear about telling us we shouldn't go but are cowardly imo not calling off this and other events.

Think PB is just mucking about as he’s unfortunately tested positive and won’t make the game. Nevertheless you make plenty good points in your reply 👍

[JeMeSouviens]

It's falling fast still so not that

25379

good stuff.

[Stairway 2 7]

good stuff.

That should do us fine until new year being low, all eyes on January and how much of a rise

[FilipinoHibs]

This will come next week:

A PUBLIC health expert has warned that a circuit breaker lockdown is needed in Scotland to combat the spreading Omicron coronavirus variant. http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19788592.covid-scotland-circuit-breaker-lockdown-needed-stop-omicron-spread/?ref=appshr

[HH81]

Basically the vaccinated people are the paying the price with ongoing restrictions and the unvaccinated are using up valuable resources in the NHS by not wanting to get a vaccine. There will always be a % of people who won’t be vaccinated - kids - anti vax etc.

No one should feel guilty about attending Sunday or not attending. It’s a life choice - like smoking - alcohol - exercising - diet etc.

Don’t forget at Christmas you will have gatherings around Scotland and U.K. all mostly indoors with many people and elderly too. All sitting close together. Some people love Christmas - some people don’t like it for various reasons. Same with New Year. This could easily be a super spreader amongst families.

On Sunday I will probably come into less contact with people than going to my local supermarket or gym - like most things over the last year or so there are many inconsistencies and one size doesn’t fit all - personal choice as I said should be respected. I’m glad they haven’t pulled the game and let people go and enjoy themselves. Hibs mean a lot to many people and for many seeing the game live in 2016 was the best day of their lives. The cup final this Sunday could be the best day for some fans if Hibs manage to get a positive result. It could also be the last cup final some fans may ever see live as who knows when Hibs will be next in a final.

Good post and my thoughts too.

[J-C]

I've decided not to go, fully jabbed up so not worried about catching the virus, but having Christmas with my son, his wife, granddaughter, my wife and daughter is more important, catch it now and its 10 isolation.

No matter how much care you take there'll always be loads of juiced up fans ready to jump about masks off singing on buses and in whatever venue you go to. Add alcohol and drugs into the equation and suddenly it's a different situation.

My family comes 1st.

As I said earlier in the thread, a bloody stupid time to play the game considering we're in a pandemic.

[djsgrant]

This thread is now totally pointless. Those advocating the game should go on are not prepared to take into account the health of fans who through age or younger people with underlying health issues are now unable to attend with any confidence. This is a one off match than can be postponed without great loss. Your bus will still get paid for regardless of when the game takes place. You are mental if you are still planning to travel by bus by the way in any case.

This isn’t just about football. If this gets worse the impact on the NHS will mean people waiting on life saving cancer treatment etc will die if the hospitals are full of people with COVID. Let’s get ALL the fans to the final when it’s safer. Hundreds if not thousands will feel they can’t attend for the sake of their own health, the health of others and the NHS.

[Libby Hibby]

This thread is now totally pointless. Those advocating the game should go on are not prepared to take into account the health of fans who through age or younger people with underlying health issues are now unable to attend with any confidence. This is a one off match than can be postponed without great loss. Your bus will still get paid for regardless of when the game takes place. You are mental if you are still planning to travel by bus by the way in any case.

This isn’t just about football. If this gets worse the impact on the NHS will mean people waiting on life saving cancer treatment etc will die if the hospitals are full of people with COVID. Let’s get ALL the fans to the final when it’s safer. Hundreds if not thousands will feel they can’t attend for the sake of their own health, the health of others and the NHS.

Nice opinion and I respect it however I don’t agree with it.

Let people choose what they want to do. If governments won’t make a firm decision then why should people be made to feel guilty about trying to live a normal life?

[mjhibby]

It's just a horrible position fans have been put in. You can see why fans want to or don't want to go. Thete are no right or wrong answers. It will be a strange look with large gaps on the terraces and on reflection with so many games getting cancelled anyway why risk putting the game on. Forget about celtic being stronger when the game is replayed if its cancelled as that's not the point. Hopefully this variant runs through quickly and we catch up later. We know there was a good possibility this would happen so plans should have already been laid. It can't be that if we win everything is OK. Not the same with so many hibs fans not at the final. What's the odds the leagues shut down for a months after the final. Pretty high I would say. Highly likely youth football going into cold storage after this weekend. Someone needs to see the bigger picture here but we just seem to be muddling on and there seems no direction at all from those in charge. Frustrating to say the least. Was so looking forward to the final and Xmas.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Proof of a negative lateral flow on entry to Hampden or any other football stadium would put a lot of fans concerns at ease. Should really be a given at any larger gatherings.

Would it? PCR results are far more likely to pick up Covid, and not that I would condone it but it’s not exactly difficult to fake a LFT (swabbing thin air doesn’t get a positive result). Seems like it would just be adding a big hurdle for supporters to scrabble around for one at late notice and wouldn’t actually do much.

[HibeeHibernian4]

As I said earlier in the thread, a bloody stupid time to play the game considering we're in a pandemic.

We’ve been in a pandemic since March 2020, when exactly were you expecting the games to be played?…

[djsgrant]

Nice opinion and I respect it however I don’t agree with it.

Let people choose what they want to do. If governments won’t make a firm decision then why should people be made to feel guilty about trying to live a normal life?

There’s nothing ‘normal’ about peoples lives at the moment. Hibs are for all the fans. I have supported the team as a fan and financially for over 50 years. They belong to me just as much as they belong to ALL the fans. This game does not have to be played tomorrow, it is denying some of the longest serving supporters and the vulnerable ones their chance to be their when we win a major trophy. Someone please explain to me how this is the Hibs way?

[hibbysam]

There’s nothing ‘normal’ about peoples lives at the moment. Hibs are for all the fans. I have supported the team as a fan and financially for over 50 years. They belong to me just as much as they belong to ALL the fans. This game does not have to be played tomorrow, it is denying some of the longest serving supporters and the vulnerable ones their chance to be their when we win a major trophy. Someone please explain to me how this is the Hibs way?

My life is fairly normal. Can go to the boozer, can go out for food, still playing and coaching football, still going into the office to work.

[J-C]

We’ve been in a pandemic since March 2020, when exactly were you expecting the games to be played?…

Well not a week before Christmas and with a new variant knocking about, add into that millions yet to get a booster. This could've been taken out our hands, theres already games all over the country being cancelled due to outbreak in playing squads

[GreenCastle]

There’s nothing ‘normal’ about peoples lives at the moment. Hibs are for all the fans. I have supported the team as a fan and financially for over 50 years. They belong to me just as much as they belong to the ALL fans. This game does not have to be played tomorrow, it is denying some of the longest serving supporters and the vulnerable ones their chance to be their when we win a major trophy. Someone please explain to me how this is the Hibs way?

Don’t forget the finals were behind doors last season so we couldn’t attend.

It’s not Hibs issue - there will be always reasons fans can’t attend games and finals - cost - location - illness etc.

That’s life and depends on people’s circumstances.

Some fans don’t want to take a risk missing Christmas Day with family. Understandable but they could still go to both if they wanted. Going to the game doesn’t mean you will automatically get covid.

Some fans will go tomorrow with family and that will be instead of Christmas Day as they might not spend that day together for various reasons.

As I’ve said before everyone has different circumstances and different ways of viewing life.

I understand frustrations of those who aren’t wanting to go or can’t go but you could use various examples of fans not wanting to go to a games all the time like Ibrox or a European away game at a difficult to get to or dangerous location - fans make choices and tomorrow fans can make a choice whether to go or not go - neither is right or wrong.

[Phil MaGlass]

If you do go to the final, make sure you all take lateral tests before visiting friends/family/elderly relatives at xmas.

[Zambernardi1875]

Well not a week before Christmas and with a new variant knocking about, add into that millions yet to get a booster. This could've been taken out our hands, theres already games all over the country being cancelled due to outbreak in playing squads

Being a paramedic, what’s the treatment or measures to take for people with covid to stop them going to hospital? Is there medication you can take

[Libby Hibby]

There’s nothing ‘normal’ about peoples lives at the moment. Hibs are for all the fans. I have supported the team as a fan and financially for over 50 years. They belong to me just as much as they belong to ALL the fans. This game does not have to be played tomorrow, it is denying some of the longest serving supporters and the vulnerable ones their chance to be their when we win a major trophy. Someone please explain to me how this is the Hibs way?

Nobody is denied from going tomorrow…it’s a choice

[J-C]

Being a paramedic, what’s the treatment or measures to take for people with covid to stop them going to hospital? Is there medication you can take
What the **** are you on about?

[Scottie]

What the **** are you on about?
Think he's taking the piss J-C :confused:

[J-C]

Think he's taking the piss J-C :confused:

Well if he's trying to be a smart arse he can just do one.

[Chuck Rhoades]

If you do go to the final, make sure you all take lateral tests before visiting friends/family/elderly relatives at xmas.

Probably a sensible thing to do anyway, not because you’ve been to a football match? Pretty sure those not attending will still be in and around shops, bars, restaurants, work places, family, friends, hairdressers, beauticians and so forth between now and then.

[He's here!]

Front page headline of today's Edinburgh Evening News: 'The Cough Final. Hibs fans urged to stay away from Hampden if they think they have a cold'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59707690

Can things get any more absurd?! If the authorities are so reluctant for fans to attend a final that they gave the go-ahead to then surely to f*** they should have insisted it be postponed. Instead, all they've done is offload any inconvenience on to the fans who have bought tickets, booked travel, accommodation etc yet are now being 'guilted' into not attending.

As somebody else posted, these theatrical statements/meaningless restrictions do my head in. If this variant really is the doomsday scenario we're being led to believe the world would be in lockdown right now. Instead, we have the likes of Sturgeon and Drakeford trying to appear statesmanlike by issuing all-but useless advice and imposing absurd restrictions in a bid to paint Westminster as the bad guys because they 'can't go further'. Try to limit the number of folk coming to your house, but have as many as you like on Christmas day?! We're closing nightclubs, but not until after we've 'saved Christmas'?! What utter twaddle.

[djsgrant]

My life is fairly normal. Can go to the boozer, can go out for food, still playing and coaching football, still going into the office to work.

Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were ok. That’s surely all that matters, I’ll just shut up then.

[Ronniekirk]

This thread is now totally pointless. Those advocating the game should go on are not prepared to take into account the health of fans who through age or younger people with underlying health issues are now unable to attend with any confidence. This is a one off match than can be postponed without great loss. Your bus will still get paid for regardless of when the game takes place. You are mental if you are still planning to travel by bus by the way in any case.

This isn’t just about football. If this gets worse the impact on the NHS will mean people waiting on life saving cancer treatment etc will die if the hospitals are full of people with COVID. Let’s get ALL the fans to the final when it’s safer. Hundreds if not thousands will feel they can’t attend for the sake of their own health, the health of others and the NHS.

You can’t put this at the door of fans who want to go The Government and the Football Authorities could of met a week ago and taken this decision They haven’t



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[Jay]

You can’t put this at the door of fans who want to go The Government and the Football Authorities could of met a week ago and taken this decision They haven’t



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Yep. The fans have a right to go if it's on. Everybody has to look at their personal circumstances and make a decision . It would be nice if we could respect each others decision a bit more at times though. Fans taking a financial hit over serious health fears is nothing short of a disgrace and that lies at the feet of the govt and SFA.

[Antifa Hibs]

There’s nothing ‘normal’ about peoples lives at the moment. Hibs are for all the fans. I have supported the team as a fan and financially for over 50 years. They belong to me just as much as they belong to ALL the fans. This game does not have to be played tomorrow, it is denying some of the longest serving supporters and the vulnerable ones their chance to be their when we win a major trophy. Someone please explain to me how this is the Hibs way?

Life is pretty normal for the vast majority i'm afraid to say. The gym was rammed, the pool, sauna and steam room rammed, the coffee shop doing a great trade. The bookies very busy. Bit of brunch then a few pints and i'm sure the pub will be as busy as normal too.

I get people missing tomorrow so they don't risk their Christmas day plans or if they have known underlying health issues but if you don't fall into that bracket enjoy the day out. If you do fall into that bracket then thats a bummer for you and try make the most of it on the tele.

As of yesterday the stats were 1 death and 65 ICU admissions from Omicron. The media and politicians whipping everyone into a frenzy "tsunami this", "storm that" and a "tidal wave".

[WeeRussell]

Front page headline of today's Edinburgh Evening News: 'The Cough Final. Hibs fans urged to stay away from Hampden if they think they have a cold'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59707690

Can things get any more absurd?! If the authorities are so reluctant for fans to attend a final that they gave the go-ahead to then surely to f*** they should have insisted it be postponed. Instead, all they've done is offload any inconvenience on to the fans who have bought tickets, booked travel, accommodation etc yet are now being 'guilted' into not attending.

As somebody else posted, these theatrical statements/meaningless restrictions do my head in. If this variant really is the doomsday scenario we're being led to believe the world would be in lockdown right now. Instead, we have the likes of Sturgeon and Drakeford trying to appear statesmanlike by issuing all-but useless advice and imposing absurd restrictions in a bid to paint Westminster as the bad guys because they 'can't go further'. Try to limit the number of folk coming to your house, but have as many as you like on Christmas day?! We're closing nightclubs, but not until after we've 'saved Christmas'?! What utter twaddle.

I didn’t see the latest update - did “Sturgeon” say she’s closing nightclubs after Christmas? I didn’t think she had imposed any restrictions (as hasn’t got the financial backing from Westminster to do so)? I doubt she has ever claimed to save Christmas?

Is the advice to try and limit mixing with too many households as much as possible if you want to enjoy Christmas with your family, not at least slightly useful and better than saying nothing?

[The Spaceman]

It’s all quite simple. If you are going:

- Please be vaccinated (legitimate medical exemptions aside).
- Please undertake a Lateral Flow Test in the morning before attending.
- Please do not attend if you have any (absolutely any) COVID symptoms.
- Please wear face masks when moving about.
- Ideally travel separately (understand this isn’t practical for all).

If you don’t meet the above criteria, you do not attend the match. It’s really easy guys.

[BegbieHSC]

I’m going, but I’ve stocked up on LFTs, and taking a test every day now until Christmas Day. Would seriously recommend others do the same.

[J-C]

I didn’t see the latest update - did “Sturgeon” say she’s closing nightclubs after Christmas? I didn’t think she had imposed any restrictions (as hasn’t got the financial backing from Westminster to do so)? I doubt she has ever claimed to save Christmas?

Is the advice to try and limit mixing with too many households as much as possible if you want to enjoy Christmas with your family, not at least slightly useful and better than saying nothing?

Yes it is, going on a loaded bus to a busy pub/nightclub for some drinks prior to the game gives me more chance of missing Christmas, at work or out shopping etc I can take precautions, but you know what's going to happen when the bevvy gets drunk and masks/distancing goes out the window.

[FilipinoHibs]

Front page headline of today's Edinburgh Evening News: 'The Cough Final. Hibs fans urged to stay away from Hampden if they think they have a cold'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59707690

Can things get any more absurd?! If the authorities are so reluctant for fans to attend a final that they gave the go-ahead to then surely to f*** they should have insisted it be postponed. Instead, all they've done is offload any inconvenience on to the fans who have bought tickets, booked travel, accommodation etc yet are now being 'guilted' into not attending.

As somebody else posted, these theatrical statements/meaningless restrictions do my head in. If this variant really is the doomsday scenario we're being led to believe the world would be in lockdown right now. Instead, we have the likes of Sturgeon and Drakeford trying to appear statesmanlike by issuing all-but useless advice and imposing absurd restrictions in a bid to paint Westminster as the bad guys because they 'can't go further'. Try to limit the number of folk coming to your house, but have as many as you like on Christmas day?! We're closing nightclubs, but not until after we've 'saved Christmas'?! What utter twaddle.


The most sensible thing given how this pandemic is now unfolding is to postpone all games up to the winter break. This would act as a circuit breaker and no money lost as games would be rearranged. The government here and in the UK want to put the responsibility on individuals. This to me is a complete derliction of duty.

[He's here!]

I didn’t see the latest update - did “Sturgeon” say she’s closing nightclubs after Christmas? I didn’t think she had imposed any restrictions (as hasn’t got the financial backing from Westminster to do so)? I doubt she has ever claimed to save Christmas?

Is the advice to try and limit mixing with too many households as much as possible if you want to enjoy Christmas with your family, not at least slightly useful and better than saying nothing?

You'll see I'm referring to the Welsh FM re nightclubs if you read my post again.

I don't think 'slightly useful' advice is much better than saying nothing when set against the wisdom of allowing events like a national cup final to go ahead if this variant is going to wreak as much havoc as we're led to believe.

[GreenCastle]

Well not a week before Christmas and with a new variant knocking about, add into that millions yet to get a booster. This could've been taken out our hands, theres already games all over the country being cancelled due to outbreak in playing squads

Last Christmas they only did the 1st vaccines for some people around 8th December.

Many people spent last Christmas socialising with families unvaccinated- let alone a single / double or with a booster.

[mjhibby]

The most sensible thing given how this pandemic is now unfolding is to postpone all games up to the winter break. This would act as a circuit breaker and no money lost as games would be rearranged. The government here and in the UK want to put the responsibility on individuals. This to me is a complete derliction of duty.

In a nutshell. Putting all the onus on the punters and leaving them In the lurch. No leadership whatsoever.

[blackpoolhibs]

Improving the NHS is another discussion - the NHS has some amazing people working for it but many staff are over worked and under paid - it’s time that changed including improving facilities.

Last time the various temporary hospitals were hardly used and many didn’t treat a single patient.

Important to keep things in perspective.

Don’t forget many appointments have been cancelled for other operations and treatments and that should not be forgotten.

Was that not down to having no staff to man them?

[Moulin Yarns]

Was that not down to having no staff to man them?

The louisa Jordan was used for a lot of things, just not covid.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The louisa Jordan was used for a lot of things, just not covid.


:agree: training to start with

[MWHIBBIES]

Fully respect people making their own decision

But its a football match, with a date planned ahead of time. It was getting played regardless, behind closed doors or not. You cant change the cup final but keep all other games the same IMO

[pacoluna]

In a nutshell. Putting all the onus on the punters and leaving them In the lurch. No leadership whatsoever.

You know the risks, time to take responsibility of your own precautions and actions.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Jason Leitch just said on OTB he had a look at our official club site and it had excellent advice for tomorrow

[Blaster]

Jason Leitch just said on OTB he had a look at our official club site and it had excellent advice for tomorrow

He did. He also said ‘At the moment the game is still going ahead’

[Lendo]

Villa game called off with two hours notice.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He did. He also said ‘At the moment the game is still going ahead’


i went to put the kettle on after that, did he give a score prediction for tomorrow :greengrin

[bingo70]

Villa game called off with two hours notice.

We’ll be incredibly lucky for the game to go ahead tomorrow I think.

The fact it could be off with 2 hours notice is no good to anybody, not sustainable for football to continue if games are being called off at such short notice.

[greenlex]

We are all able to make our own decisions. We are also all Hibs fans. We are in a cup final. We all want to be there. The thing is the government should be taking the lead here till we really know what we are dealing with this strain. Football and not just the cup final should be stopped till we do. As football fans any logical thinking goes out the window and particularly for us at a cup final. I will be there but I’ve that nagging doubt that perhaps I shouldn’t be going. The government obviously has that same doubt. We really shouldnt have the choice. It can be played anytime really. Mon the Hibs.

[pacoluna]

Villa game called off with two hours notice.

Because of cvid cases in camp.

[GreenCastle]

The most sensible thing given how this pandemic is now unfolding is to postpone all games up to the winter break. This would act as a circuit breaker and no money lost as games would be rearranged. The government here and in the UK want to put the responsibility on individuals. This to me is a complete derliction of duty.

You say no money lost - what about all the food for hospitality / pubs / buses booked / staff working tomorrow. It’s not that simple.

Let people make a choice - life is full of risks and even driving on the M8 to the game will pose a risk for some. Every time you get into an aeroplane you have a chance something may happen.

People understand the risks - let them decide as the game is going ahead and folk will go and enjoy themselves - could be the last cup final for some fans - let them live. If you aren’t attending just enjoy the game on the radio or TV etc.

They aren’t even making supporters wear face coverings at seats like a few months ago - surely if they were that worried they would make that mandatory.

[Cod Boy]

Was coming on to say exactly this - in fact his incessant referencing of today’s date made me more convinced it won’t go ahead than I was before I tuned in.

Surely all games today should be off today as well bigger crowd will be at ibrox than tomorrow

[J-C]

Last Christmas they only did the 1st vaccines for some people around 8th December.

Many people spent last Christmas socialising with families unvaccinated- let alone a single / double or with a booster.

Restricted to 3 households and I'm pretty sure we all knew and trusted the family members there, strict measures in place in shops and pubs etc, plus football behind closed doors, not the same as this year.

The most bizarre thing here is having this final 1 week before Christmas.

[flash]

Decided to take a test in the morning and drive through if its fine which am sure it will be.
Now I have decided what to do am looking forward to the match.

[GreenCastle]

Surely all games today should be off today as well bigger crowd will be at ibrox than tomorrow

Scotland isn’t England.

There are other English games being played today also.

There are rugby matches being played too.

[Ronniekirk]

Villa game called off with two hours notice.

Because players have tested positive


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[Cod Boy]

Scotland isn’t England.

There are other English games being played today also.

There are rugby matches being played too.

What I ment is if the boy leitch is not ruling out the game being off tomorrow why let games go ahead

[Magpie]

The game won’t get called off unless there is a Covid outbreak amongst one of the teams in the next 24 hours. Hopefully it gets played 👍🏻

[GreenCastle]

Restricted to 3 households and I'm pretty sure we all knew and trusted the family members there, strict measures in place in shops and pubs etc, plus football behind closed doors, not the same as this year.

The most bizarre thing here is having this final 1 week before Christmas.

My point is this Christmas people are double / triple jabbed and are more on edge than previously when they didn’t have a single vaccination.

There are less measures in place now in most of society than last Christmas.

Just been through town and it’s heaving - shops - streets - Christmas market etc - folk are getting on with life.

The timing is odd but with a World Cup next year / international calendar / European fixtures to fit in these things would have been looked at and planned to try fit into that schedule.

But we do have 2 weeks break after the derby..

[greenlex]

What I ment is if the boy leitch is not ruling out the game being off tomorrow why let games go ahead
He’s just covering his arse so it doesn’t get bitten in the future.

[LunasBoots]

Compared to English sides our teams seem to not be having the same massive issue...

Is there a reason for that? Population size?

[GreenCastle]

What I ment is if the boy leitch is not ruling out the game being off tomorrow why let games go ahead

He won’t call it off.

The ONLY reason it will be called off if Hibs or Celtic have a serious outbreak / loads of positive tests from today or tomorrow morning - whenever they test it / get results back.

I can imagine some players maybe very nervous about getting a positive test which means they can’t play in the final.

Hibs had 5 players and staff miss games earlier in the season and games still went ahead.

[Ronniekirk]

What I ment is if the boy leitch is not ruling out the game being off tomorrow why let games go ahead

If they call it off tomorrow it’s a disgrace unless of course players test positive
They have known for the last week cases would double They know at present it’s not yet led to an increase in hospitalisations
We know they are going to bring in more restrictions next week and possibly the week after or into new year
They always give a few days lead in when changes are being made
So what’s the panic about a Cup Final ffs In the grand scheme of things the virus is already spreading in the community so all these people saying they aren’t going could still pick it up

[Since452]

The game won’t get called off unless there is a Covid outbreak amongst one of the teams in the next 24 hours. Hopefully it gets played 👍🏻

Even then it will still go ahead providing we have 13 players available.

[jacomo]

In a nutshell. Putting all the onus on the punters and leaving them In the lurch. No leadership whatsoever.


:agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Premier League and government urge footballers to get Covid-19 vaccine - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59702363)

The Premier League and UK government have urged footballers to get vaccinated against Covid-19.
Half this weekend's top-flight games have been postponed because of outbreaks of the virus at clubs.

In the English Football League - where 25% of players say they do not intend to get the jab- 19 fixtures due to be played on Saturday have been postponed.

Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp believes getting a vaccination should be mandatory "from a moral point of view" and revealed "99%" of his squad have had both jabs.

well done those players :agree:

[LunasBoots]

He won’t call it off.

The ONLY reason it will be called off if Hibs or Celtic have a serious outbreak / loads of positive tests from today or tomorrow morning - whenever they test it / get results back.

I can imagine some players maybe very nervous about getting a positive test which means they can’t play in the final.

Hibs had 5 players and staff miss games earlier in the season and games still went ahead.

I'd imagine both teams have been wrapped up in cotton wool the last week just to get this to go ahead.

[Zambernardi1875]

What the **** are you on about?

I’m not being ****ing smart, I’m asking why there isn’t any medication or treatments people are able to take to stop them needing to go to hospital. Or after 2 years is the only preventable measure to take is hide behind the sofa and open the windows.

[Cod Boy]

If they call it off tomorrow it’s a disgrace unless of course players test positive
They have known for the last week cases would double They know at present it’s not yet led to an increase in hospitalisations
We know they are going to bring in more restrictions next week and possibly the week after or into new year
They always give a few days lead in when changes are being made
So what’s the panic about a Cup Final ffs In the grand scheme of things the virus is already spreading in the community so all these people saying they aren’t going could still pick it up

I’m going I understand people’s reasons for not going hopefully the cup comes back along the motorway and we will all be happy

[Ronniekirk]

I’m not being ****ing smart, I’m asking why there isn’t any medication or treatments people are able to take to stop them needing to go to hospital. Or after 2 years is the only preventable measure to take is hide behind the sofa and open the windows.

They are testing treatments just now fir people who test positive but don’t think they are yet widely available These are designed to stop them getting seriously I’ll and hospitalised


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[Ronniekirk]

I’m going I understand people’s reasons for not going hopefully the cup comes back along the motorway and we will all be happy

Yes wouldn’t that be something to cheer us all up


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[J-C]

My point is this Christmas people are double / triple jabbed and are more on edge than previously when they didn’t have a single vaccination.

There are less measures in place now in most of society than last Christmas.

Just been through town and it’s heaving - shops - streets - Christmas market etc - folk are getting on with life.

The timing is odd but with a World Cup next year / international calendar / European fixtures to fit in these things would have been looked at and planned to try fit into that schedule.

But we do have 2 weeks break after the derby..

Las year we went into immediate lockdown on boxing day, hence why people had family gatherings.

Town is busy not heaving but its outdoors, my only worry about tomorrow was a busy bus and busy drinking venue where people relax their social distancing and mask wearing so close to Christmas.

[GreenCastle]

I'd imagine both teams have been wrapped up in cotton wool the last week just to get this to go ahead.

Well you would think that but Celtic players rushing info fans to celebrate and even the media duties / promos with both clubs - still a small chance something could have been passed on.

[J-C]

I’m not being ****ing smart, I’m asking why there isn’t any medication or treatments people are able to take to stop them needing to go to hospital. Or after 2 years is the only preventable measure to take is hide behind the sofa and open the windows.
Maybe ask an expert or contact Jason Leitch and ask him, any info we all get is out there if you look for it. I think certain steroids were used to relieve breathing, they tried a certain drug in America but was proved to be nonsense.

No ones asking you to hide behind a sofa, just be sensible, wear a mask, clean your hands and keep your distance and stay safe.

[Zambernardi1875]

They are testing treatments just now fir people who test positive but don’t think they are yet widely available These are designed to stop them getting seriously I’ll and hospitalised


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Thank you, that’s all I was wondering

[Alfred E Newman]

Front page headline of today's Edinburgh Evening News: 'The Cough Final. Hibs fans urged to stay away from Hampden if they think they have a cold'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59707690

Can things get any more absurd?! If the authorities are so reluctant for fans to attend a final that they gave the go-ahead to then surely to f*** they should have insisted it be postponed. Instead, all they've done is offload any inconvenience on to the fans who have bought tickets, booked travel, accommodation etc yet are now being 'guilted' into not attending.

As somebody else posted, these theatrical statements/meaningless restrictions do my head in. If this variant really is the doomsday scenario we're being led to believe the world would be in lockdown right now. Instead, we have the likes of Sturgeon and Drakeford trying to appear statesmanlike by issuing all-but useless advice and imposing absurd restrictions in a bid to paint Westminster as the bad guys because they 'can't go further'. Try to limit the number of folk coming to your house, but have as many as you like on Christmas day?! We're closing nightclubs, but not until after we've 'saved Christmas'?! What utter twaddle.

I agree with all of that.:agree:

[Brightside]

Thank you, that’s all I was wondering

2 companies are at final stages of a tablet system. I think one was signed off late November.

[Zambernardi1875]

Maybe ask an expert or contact Jason Leitch and ask him, any info we all get is out there if you look for it. I think certain steroids were used to relieve breathing, they tried a certain drug in America but was proved to be nonsense.

No ones asking you to hide behind a sofa, just be sensible, wear a mask, clean your hands and keep your distance and stay safe.

Covid is airborne why wash youre hands? Listen to the recent joe rogan podcast.for being so mouthy I’m shocked at you’re lack of knowledge on the subject

[GreenCastle]

Las year we went into immediate lockdown on boxing day, hence why people had family gatherings.

Town is busy not heaving but its outdoors, my only worry about tomorrow was a busy bus and busy drinking venue where people relax their social distancing and mask wearing so close to Christmas.

It didn’t make sense to socialise on Christmas Day then lockdown the day after - again if they were really worried they wouldn’t have allowed Christmas gatherings.

It’s the same this year - if they are really serious then why the wait ?

The Q to get into the Christmas market is all the way into the gardens currently. The shops are busy as people buy before Christmas.

The bus thing I get - but wear a mask and it will help. For most it will be just over 1 hour each way. Again you have to hope others use common sense before getting on the bus.

The drinking venues - well again that’s a choice to attend them - folk can easily stand outside and drink if the venue has outdoor space or even not drink at all or even don’t go in.

[WeeRussell]

You'll see I'm referring to the Welsh FM re nightclubs if you read my post again.

I don't think 'slightly useful' advice is much better than saying nothing when set against the wisdom of allowing events like a national cup final to go ahead if this variant is going to wreak as much havoc as we're led to believe.

I read it a couple times and still wondering which of your accusations you are bundling the FM in amongst, hence my asking. It seems there wasn’t much need to name her at all if your rant was about the Welsh equivalent.

So do you think, assuming it was decided the final couldn’t be postponed for whatever reason (and I am if the opinion it probably should have been), she should have just let it go ahead and said absolutely nothing in the way of what would be sensible over the next week?

[Chorley Hibee]

The most sensible thing given how this pandemic is now unfolding is to postpone all games up to the winter break. This would act as a circuit breaker and no money lost as games would be rearranged. The government here and in the UK want to put the responsibility on individuals. This to me is a complete derliction of duty.

Couldn't agree more, been saying the same all week.

Cowardly governments afraid to act for fear of "cancelling Christmas" etc, but will then bring in restrictions (too late once again) on the 27th.

We've learnt nothing it seems.

[WeeRussell]

I’m not being ****ing smart, I’m asking why there isn’t any medication or treatments people are able to take to stop them needing to go to hospital. Or after 2 years is the only preventable measure to take is hide behind the sofa and open the windows.

You weren’t being smart - you just genuinely thought JC was a paramedic?

[Northernhibee]

This thread is a perfect example of why we’re in such a state.

Experts: “We need to do this to avoid unnecessary deaths”

People - “BUT MY OPINION!”

As people vote for politicians rather than experts, we end up with absolute clowns who enact what’s popular rather than what’s right and we end up with over 140k dead, Brexit and all sorts.

[easty]

Covid is airborne why wash youre hands? Listen to the recent joe rogan podcast.for being so mouthy I’m shocked at you’re lack of knowledge on the subject

Is that where you get your medical information? Ignore the chief medical officer, and go with what’s said on the Joe Rogan podcast, lol.

[Greencore]

I’m going, but I’ve stocked up on LFTs, and taking a test every day now until Christmas Day. Would seriously recommend others do the same.

Lft will only get you in if its done by the gov. Basically a negative test presented won't do. You need to show them the negative text you received.

[Zambernardi1875]

Is that where you get your medical information? Ignore the chief medical officer, and go with what’s said on the Joe Rogan podcast, lol.

No no, I take in all sides. You get yours from Jason leitch? Brilliant

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Is that where you get your medical information? Ignore the chief medical officer, and go with what’s said on the Joe Rogan podcast, lol.

I had to look him up as I didn't have a clue who he is, seems to be a sensible place to go for information, not! 😳

[SHODAN]

Our whole crew are now driving in one car to the city centre and getting the bus to Hampden to minimise contact.

[Zambernardi1875]

I had to look him up as I didn't have a clue who he is, seems to be a sensible place to go for information, not! 😳

Listen to the guest, dr Peter McCullouch think it was. Must be Hibs net period week

[easty]

No no, I take in all sides. You get yours from Jason leitch? Brilliant

I place far more value on scientists, with their years of study, research and practice, than guys like Joe Rogan. Who needs actual learned and working knowledge when you can just shout about stuff on a podcast.

Where exactly did Joe Rogan study medicine?

[Torto7]

This thread is a perfect example of why we’re in such a state.

Experts: “We need to do this to avoid unnecessary deaths”

People - “BUT MY OPINION!”

As people vote for politicians rather than experts, we end up with absolute clowns who enact what’s popular rather than what’s right and we end up with over 140k dead, Brexit and all sorts.

Exactly. Some absolute weapons in the UK just now who seem to think Fox News and American republican style anti science is the way go. All wee boys with a lack of maturity or stamina.

[easty]

Listen to the guest, dr Peter McCullouch think it was. Must be Hibs net period week

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/joe-rogan-covid-podcast-doctor-b1977603.html

This guy?

[Lendo]

Covid is airborne why wash youre hands? Listen to the recent joe rogan podcast.for being so mouthy I’m shocked at you’re lack of knowledge on the subject

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Joe Rogan. A man who is taking horse deworming pills to fight a flu virus.

[pacoluna]

Hospital admissions are lower now than they were in August. It doesn't stack up, these conversations werent on the forum for the semi's?

[WeeRussell]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/joe-rogan-covid-podcast-doctor-b1977603.html

This guy?

😂😂😂😂🙈

[SHODAN]

Guys just put people spreading misinformation on ignore, much easier and less infuriating.

[BoomtownHibees]

Lft will only get you in if its done by the gov. Basically a negative test presented won't do. You need to show them the negative text you received.

All you need for that is to input your results on the gov website and you get a text and email confirming whatever result you have told them

[BoomtownHibees]

Our whole crew are now driving in one car to the city centre and getting the bus to Hampden to minimise contact.

You’re all travelling together and getting the bus to “minimise contact”. What were you doing before?

[SHODAN]

You’re all travelling together and getting the bus to “minimise contact”. What were you doing before?

Getting separate public transport to Glasgow (we all live in diff parts of the country) and getting the train to Hampden.

It isn't perfect but it's a risk reduction.

[Hibbyradge]

You’re all travelling together and getting the bus to “minimise contact”. What were you doing before?

That's what I thought.

I then decided he was being sarcastic.

Edit: I've now seen the explanation.

[J-C]

Covid is airborne why wash youre hands? Listen to the recent joe rogan podcast.for being so mouthy I’m shocked at you’re lack of knowledge on the subject

Haha Joe Rogan, the man's a loony of the highest order.

You do realise airborne particles land on surfaces and if someone with the virus puts fingers in their mouth then touch anything that is then infected. Peanuts in a bar are covered in piss because of unwashed hands.

But mentioning Rogan jeezo, I think I'll be ignoring anything you post from now on.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Must be Hibs net period week

Which social commentator told you that?

[He's here!]

I read it a couple times and still wondering which of your accusations you are bundling the FM in amongst, hence my asking. It seems there wasn’t much need to name her at all if your rant was about the Welsh equivalent.

So do you think, assuming it was decided the final couldn’t be postponed for whatever reason (and I am if the opinion it probably should have been), she should have just let it go ahead and said absolutely nothing in the way of what would be sensible over the next week?

She can say what she likes. I just thought the household advice made little sense and is likely to have next to no impact on the 'tsunami'. As others have pointed out you just need to take a look at the packed buses heading into town today (let alone the numbers heading to Ibrox and Hampden this weekend) to see that telling us how many folk to have in your house is a futile gesture - a gesture aimed primarily IMHO at teeing up another pop at Westminster.

I get that Sturgeon hopes to build a legacy of having 'led us through the pandemic' but delivering advice in an earnest manner (largely for the sake of being seen to be doing something) doesn't mean she walks on water when that advice doesnt stand up to any serious scrutiny.

[The Captain....]

Seems to be more pulling out now closer it gets.

I'm pretty undecided myself but think there's probably more chance I'll give it a miss now.

I hope everyone going stays safe and has a great day but the risks however small are not worth it for me.



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[Pretty Boy]

Tbf to a few on this thread the chances of actually catching covid from an infected surface is pretty minimal. Not nil but it's primary route of transmission is airborne. The hundreds of millions spent on hand sanitising gel would have been better spent of air filtration systems. Because well...... Science

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4

BTW that's not to say hand sanitising isn't good practice anyway. It prevents a whole lot of other nasties, it's just not particularly effective against covid.