Energy crisis

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still not put my heating on yet.

Had a thin fleece on with my shorts and T-shirt last week or two. Will have my thicker fleece on probably by mid october and trousers before the heating goes on in November.

[Paul1642]

Heating went on today despite the price rises. Life’s to short to be cold in your own home and I’ll just need to cut costs elsewhere. Really do feel sorry for those who are unable to do that :(

[hibee]

My heating went on today, looking at the smart meter I think it cost around 90p per hour which isn’t looking good for the winter!

[Mon Dieu4]

I refuse to put the heating on, not through not being able to afford it, I'd just about manage but I grudge giving those ****s my money, will sit in the house with a coat on before they get any more out of me

[hibsbollah]

I refuse to put the heating on, not through not being able to afford it, I'd just about manage but I grudge giving those ****s my money, will sit in the house with a coat on before they get any more out of me

Hot water bottles were put in the kids beds last night. They can put on an extra layer if they’re cold. No wonder ones just moved out.

[speedy_gonzales]

My heating went on today, looking at the smart meter I think it cost around 90p per hour which isn’t looking good for the winter!

Wow! 90p per hour just for the heating, are you all electric?
I've no idea how much it's going to cost me, 70 year old semi, 3 bedroom, not the best insulation. The gas fired central heating boiler is fairly new/efficient but I'm putting off finding out if I need a second mortgage to run it.
Normally, as in the last 20 years in my old house, our thermostat sat at a nominal set temp and that was on 24/7. If the temp dipped below the preset, then the boiler kicked in. My wife is an M&E engineer and according to her it takes less energy to maintain a steady temp in a building/property rather than have peaks & troughs in heating but this year it's gonna be more troughs than peaks!

[Moulin Yarns]

Wood burner lit, 3 small pieces of wood to get it burning well, a large log and the damper closed and had to open the door to the hall!!! 🔥😁

[Keith_M]

There was an interesting story on the news a couple of nights back about the energy used by Computer Gamers, so I thought I'd do a bit of research.


One Report has the following (this is from 2018, and I'd imagine the figures have gone up since then)

'So just how big is gaming’s environmental footprint? Globally, PC gamers use about 75 billion kilowatt hours of electricity a year, equivalent to the output of 25 electric power plants. (And that doesn’t include console games.)

In the United States, games consumes $6 billion worth of electricity annually'

'American gamers emit about 12 million tons of carbon dioxide annually — the equivalent of about 2.3 million passenger cars. Games are rated for things like sex and violence, Mills points out, but games and gear are “silent on their carbon footprint.” '

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-electricity-carbon-footprint/

[speedy_gonzales]

There was an interesting story on the news a couple of nights back about the energy used by Computer Gamers, so I thought I'd do a bit of research.


One Report has the following (this is from 2018, and I'd imagine the figures have gone up since then)

'So just how big is gaming’s environmental footprint? Globally, PC gamers use about 75 billion kilowatt hours of electricity a year, equivalent to the output of 25 electric power plants. (And that doesn’t include console games.)

In the United States, games consumes $6 billion worth of electricity annually'

'American gamers emit about 12 million tons of carbon dioxide annually — the equivalent of about 2.3 million passenger cars. Games are rated for things like sex and violence, Mills points out, but games and gear are “silent on their carbon footprint.” '

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/11/video-games-electricity-carbon-footprint/

I read something similar about those bitcoin miners, a scary amount of energy used but rarely acknowledged.

[hibee]

Wow! 90p per hour just for the heating, are you all electric?


No, gas boiler which is reasonably new in a well insulated detached house.

[speedy_gonzales]

No, gas boiler which is reasonably new in a well insulated detached house.

Well that's me screwed. I'm already paying about £250 per month to EDF and the "capped" rate changes this weekend.
I'd be cheaper burning fivers in the chimnea!

[hibee]

Well that's me screwed. I'm already paying about £250 per month to EDF and the "capped" rate changes this weekend.
I'd be cheaper burning fivers in the chimnea!

One thing I realised after posting is that the house was cold at the start of both hours so if I’d left it on longer it wouldn’t have cost as much for the next hours.

[hibee]

I read something similar about those bitcoin miners, a scary amount of energy used but rarely acknowledged.

Even things like sharing photos on social media or text message uses a crazy amount of energy, all these photos and videos are stored on servers using power somewhere in the world, nobody ever goes back and deletes a Facebook photo or a twitter video so they’re potentially stored forever with an ever increasing demand for more servers and more electricity.

[SHODAN]

We've now bought two oil heaters and will be using them for as long as possible this winter. Gas will go on for one hour in the morning, that's it.

Looking into solar panels too.

[Just_Jimmy]

Would electric heaters, as in the wee plug in things, be cheaper than gas central heating?

We're not at the point of crippling prices but our fixed runs out next May so I'm looking to reduce how much we spend over winter if we can in any way.

Gas central heating, gas hob and electric.

Already use an air Fryer and slow cooker as much as possible.

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[stu in nottingham]

Rather than heating the whole house (large detached) with the gas central heating before coming home, I often use a smart plug to turn on an electric fire for half an hour to heat one room before I get home. The fire can be switched on from the Alexa app remotely whilst on the way home. Pretty useful for switching lights on an off whilst out too.

[Stairway 2 7]

Appliance (with average power rating). Cost per hour. Cost per 10 mins

Electric shower (9000 W) £3.06 51p
Immersion heater (3000 W) £1.02 -
Kettle (3000 W) - 17p
Tumble Dryer (2500 W) 85p 14p
Electric heater (2500 W) 85p 14p
Oven (2100 W)** 71p -
Washing machine (2100 W) 71p -
Oil-filled radiator (2000 W) 68p 11p
Hairdryer (2000 W) - 11p
Hob (2000 W) 61p 10p
Grill (1500 W) 51p 9p
Iron (1500 W) 51p 9p
Toaster (1000 W) - 6p
Microwave (1000 W) 34p 6p
Electric mower (1000 W) 34p 6p
Vacuum cleaner (900 W) 31p 5p
Dehumidifier (500 W) 17p -
Towel rail (450 W) 15p -
Plasma TV (350 W) 12p 2p
Fridge-freezer (300 W)** 10p -
Freezer (150 W)** 5p -
Fridge (150 W)** 5p -
Heating blanket (150 W) 5p 1p
Desktop computer (140 W) 5p 1p
Games console (120 W) 4p 1p
LCD TV (120 W) 4p 1p
Laptop (50 W) 2p -
TV box (40 W) 1p -
DVD player (40 W) 1p -
Extractor fan (20 W) 1p -
Broadband router (10 W) 1p -

[Stairway 2 7]

Putting the emersion on isn't much dearer than 1 Electric heater per hour

[overdrive]

Rather than heating the whole house (large detached) with the gas central heating before coming home, I often use a smart plug to turn on an electric fire for half an hour to heat one room before I get home. The fire can be switched on from the Alexa app remotely whilst on the way home. Pretty useful for switching lights on an off whilst out too.

A lot of smart plugs will also give you an energy usage figure as well. Good for highlighting what is wasting energy.

[Stairway 2 7]

Shows the problem is Europe wide. Causing some crazy inflation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jsblokland/status/1575755246076399616
@jsblokland
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This is one of the most unreal charts I have ever posted!

#Inflation in the #Netherlands, my home country, has spiked to a surreal 17.1%

[Ron D Hibbie]

Anyone know how the government payments work if you have two different energy suppliers.

[Sir David Gray]

Anyone know how the government payments work if you have two different energy suppliers.

As far as I'm aware the payments are automatically applied by your provider, I don't see that someone with more than one supplier would be any different.

[Ron D Hibbie]

As far as I'm aware the payments are automatically applied by your provider, I don't see that someone with more than one supplier would be any different.

Yeah scottish power have already told me i will get the payments monthly. How will british gas know.

[w pilton hibby]

Yeah scottish power have already told me i will get the payments monthly. How will british gas know.

I assume your gas and electricity are supplied by different companies.

Generally payment is made to the electric account. Lots of properties have electricity but no gas.

[PaulSmith]

New rates kicked in today, electricity has jumped from £2.50 per day to £6.

That’s before I’ve even switched on the gas.

[Scotty Leither]

Starmer should have said he was going to tax the wholesalers AND the retailers to pay for the setting up of this publicly owned utility wholesalers

[Stairway 2 7]

Starmer should have said he was going to tax the wholesalers AND the retailers to pay for the setting up of this publicly owned utility wholesalers

I think the idea is everyone will jump ship to the new retailer, similar to what snp said they would do

[Stairway 2 7]

New rates kicked in today, electricity has jumped from £2.50 per day to £6.

That’s before I’ve even switched on the gas.

How's does that work out, the cap hasn't went up that % ?

[Ozyhibby]

I think the idea is everyone will jump ship to the new retailer, similar to what snp said they would do

Pretty sure Starmers plan was for a generating company? Different from the SNP?
It’s generators who are making all the money, not retailers. They are mostly going bust.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty sure Starmers plan was for a generating company? Different from the SNP?
It’s generators who are making all the money, not retailers. They are mostly going bust.


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Didn't realise scot gov was not about generation also. I agree all the money is in generation.

[Ozyhibby]

Didn't realise scot gov was not about generation also. I agree all the money is in generation.

Think that’s why it was scrapped. They realised they wouldn’t make a difference. And they don’t have the power to put cash into building nationalised generating capacity. Only a UK govt can do that.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

:greengrin

https://www.facebook.com/sebastien.bousquet.77/videos/780946082963032

[PaulSmith]

How's does that work out, the cap hasn't went up that % ?

Was paying 18.59p per kWh
It’s now 54.81p per kWh


Can only assume that OVO haven’t amended the cap of 34.0p per kWh to my account yet?

[Stairway 2 7]

Was paying 18.59p per kWh
It’s now 54.81p per kWh


Can only assume that OVO haven’t amended the cap of 34.0p per kWh to my account yet?

Note everything down absolute chancers. They are quick to get money owed from us, less so when it's them that's in the wrong

[SHODAN]

So Energy have just reduced ours to £120 a month. It's almost normal now.

[nonshinyfinish]

So Energy have just reduced ours to £120 a month. It's almost normal now.

Is that partly because they've knocked the £67 energy bills support payment off the direct debit? Not sure if all suppliers are doing this the same way, but mine (Octopus) automatically reduced my direct debit by £67.

[HH81]

Mine said it will be paid back to my bank account after they receive my full DD.

Scottish Power.

[SHODAN]

Is that partly because they've knocked the £67 energy bills support payment off the direct debit? Not sure if all suppliers are doing this the same way, but mine (Octopus) automatically reduced my direct debit by £67.

It's entirely because of that.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/zaffybus/status/1577613485558595585?s=46&t=-0awgCVE0LBVrUl-uL3cMw


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[Pretty Boy]

I had upped my DD to £170 a month at the insistence of Shell following dire warnings from them about debt and up until the other week they were still hassling me for more. Last week they took £103 (£170 less the govt support) by DD, my bill based on accurate readings was £106.66, so I paid £63.34 too much. I checked the app today for my latest bill against my usage was £78.34 taking into account the credit balance from the last bill I really only owe them £15 but they will still get another £170 by DD in a few weeks. They have at least cut my projected usage to £107 a month which is probably fair enough given we are heading into winter.

I don't mind building up a wee bit of credit because who knows what will happen when the current 'freeze' and govt support ends but if they think they are still going to be getting £170 a month from me they can sing for it. That DD will be getting cut right back tonight.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I had upped my DD to £170 a month at the insistence of Shell following dire warnings from them about debt and up until the other week they were still hassling me for more. Last week they took £103 (£170 less the govt support) by DD, my bill based on accurate readings was £106.66, so I paid £63.34 too much. I checked the app today for my latest bill against my usage was £78.34 taking into account the credit balance from the last bill I really only owe them £15 but they will still get another £170 by DD in a few weeks. They have at least cut my projected usage to £107 a month which is probably fair enough given we are heading into winter.

I don't mind building up a wee bit of credit because who knows what will happen when the current 'freeze' and govt support ends but if they think they are still going to be getting £170 a month from me they can sing for it. That DD will be getting cut right back tonight.

I’m currently paying £188 a month with eon and they’ve reduced that from £255 due to the credit I’ll be getting over the next 6 months. So they’re still getting £255.

I’ve got nearly £1000 worth of credit as I’m using around £85 a month and was the same as you in that I thought I’d let it build up a bit for when the support ends. I’ve now requested them to reduce my payment to £100p/m (£167 including the support) though and funnily enough, I never get a response. The app says I can reduce my payment by no more than 10%, but doesn’t let me do that and when I try and nobody ever answers the phone. If I try to email I get no response, likewise with their WhatsApp thing.

Piss take really.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm with Boost(OVO) for my leckie and just got this e-mail from them



The Energy Bills Support Scheme


This is a HM Government-funded discount of £400 in total. It's being paid to all households in Great Britain with an electricity supply this winter, to help with energy payments.


We'll apply your discount as credit on your meter in the first week of each month, from October 2022 to March 2023. See the table below for the monthly credit amount:




October
£66


November
£66


December
£67


January
£67


February
£67


March
£67





We'll always let you know when your discount's been applied. For more info about the discount and how it's paid, visit our website (https://email.mail.ovo-comms.co.uk/c/eJxlUrmO2zAQ_RqrWVDgfRQq9kiALVLZVZqAx8gmLIkCRXnhvw 9tJXaAACRBzvC9eXNAR6TkRlNNVBO6wHvJeRM7iiklGAsiCGOy dYpT5iEwL7BwTuw4Hm0c2nRJyKdxXFqf2vXcnDpsKYcgsCdcKx wkC1JLR0AGRrBmphm6Uynzjr3u6Pe6XEpLmdMX5I2imsAtS-PXpaSx26m3HaU-gy0QXku935H0pg8RjLA4EFFNhNWjCpVKSSop1z9vX-n7DXxngvwZNvS0DsPmKdl6OKQzTA9e7jnvuVOIaugRVxIjzZ1D 1mqNac1Hef5ktpPN1w3b22GBP7QwzkPV-8NOsYflr-h7JjE8QplghFTYIEmYQVwYiiznEokqwVhPlJD6EeoCeYnpqZOo Ft8e6mPzx6lAnuxw-D8lz1ztMQBy3nJUI1DkiDIIU9lD7bGzmj3ilByPR8j7tGYPTwq YT7Au6MvmEZ1qMVGIi0_rVB7APkeYwnD9gMXnOJd_xX6bIB-vL29xGJaX_TrPKZeXvT_BCM9a1in6fBZHKuqNBYNA1epzqWsLe JXve2wks70klm35N7kL9hLDrznH6ThAHc1ih_NttxOU32UE0Qs ).


Further government support


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[Stairway 2 7]

Utter ****. People in low income nations will die due to this

nexta_tv
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❗️The OPEC+ Ministerial Monitoring Committee has agreed to reduce oil production by 2 million barrels per day starting in November, Reuters reports, citing three sources

Washington is "disappointed" by the decision of OPEC+ to cut oil production in order to prevent a decline in oil prices. The decision "will have a negative impact on low- and middle-income countries that are already suffering from higher oil prices," the White House website says

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1578007893235867650?s=46&t=WpUqS0toRxR5iMnvllxCew

3 hour blackouts on the way?
Will this happen in Scotland? Would seem very unfair as we are net exporters? Surely wouldn’t be right for us to be sitting in the dark just because people in England don’t like looking at windmills?


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[Hibernia&Alba]

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1578007893235867650?s=46&t=WpUqS0toRxR5iMnvllxCew

3 hour blackouts on the way?
Will this happen in Scotland? Would seem very unfair as we are net exporters? Surely wouldn’t be right for us to be sitting in the dark just because people in England don’t like looking at windmills?


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Blackouts would only occur in the worst conditions of an extreme and prolonged cold spell with no wind. Not impossible, but unlikely. I would imagine it would apply to all the UK, yes.

[Ozyhibby]

Blackouts would only occur in the worst conditions of an extreme and prolonged cold spell with no wind. Not impossible, but unlikely. I would imagine it would apply to all the UK, yes.

Seems fair.[emoji849]


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[James310]

Seems fair.[emoji849]


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What would be fair then?

[Ozyhibby]

What would be fair then?

The country who doesn’t want to install windmills put up with the lack of electricity?


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[James310]

The country who doesn’t want to install windmills put up with the lack of electricity?


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So the OAPs and families in England should get the blackouts while there should be none in Scotland?

[Ozyhibby]

So the OAPs and families in England should get the blackouts while there should be none in Scotland?

Yes


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1578007893235867650?s=46&t=WpUqS0toRxR5iMnvllxCew

3 hour blackouts on the way?
Will this happen in Scotland? Would seem very unfair as we are net exporters? Surely wouldn’t be right for us to be sitting in the dark just because people in England don’t like looking at windmills?


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I don't have gas, can I opt out of the electricity cuts please?

Edit : in fact all my electricity is from renewable sources so I definitely should avoid the gas shortage fuelled power cuts 😉

[Stairway 2 7]

So the OAPs and families in England should get the blackouts while there should be none in Scotland?

We have separate energy policies so we should get the fruit from that investment. Should our free university places go to English families too. I doubt there will be blackouts reading it though

[James310]

Yes


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Ah the caring socialist left of the SNP (except for viewers in England they can freeze)

[Steven79]

Ah the caring socialist left of the SNP (except for viewers in England they can freeze)Maybe England should stop voting Tory then?

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[Stairway 2 7]

Ah the caring socialist left of the SNP (except for viewers in England they can freeze)

Should we send our tax income to English benefits claimants. Clutching at straws with this one no

[James310]

Maybe England should stop voting Tory then?

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At the last General Election more people voted Labour and Liberal Democrat and Greens than Tory in England.

[Stairway 2 7]

At the last General Election more people voted Labour and Liberal Democrat and Greens than Tory in England.

Fptp has to go, ps don't vote tory

[Ozyhibby]

At the last General Election more people voted Labour and Liberal Democrat and Greens than Tory in England.

That’s not how first past the post works though. You should know that.


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[James310]

Should we send our tax income to English benefits claimants. Clutching at straws with this one no

We pool and share lots of things across the UK, we benefit from that. That's how the UK works. I get it though, nationalism is about the promotion of one's own nation and interests at the exclusion or detriment to other nations. That's basically the definition of nationalism.

[Ozyhibby]

We pool and share lots of things across the UK, we benefit from that. That's how the UK works. I get it though, nationalism is about the promotion of one's own nation and interests at the exclusion or detriment to other nations. That's basically the definition of nationalism.

Be good if England could share the burden of building some windmills then. That way we might not all be worried about having no electricity.


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[Stairway 2 7]

We pool and share lots of things across the UK, we benefit from that. That's how the UK works. I get it though, nationalism is about the promotion of one's own nation and interests at the exclusion or detriment to other nations. That's basically the definition of nationalism.

Some things are devolved you know that. We shouldn't give free prescriptions to English either. England chose to hardly invest in renewables. We should share oil equally even though we have lions share

[Zambernardi1875]

Ah the caring socialist left of the SNP (except for viewers in England they can freeze)

I don’t know how you get away with constantly being so antagonising. We all get you don’t like the snp but constantly repeating yourself and adding nothing constructive gets really boring

[Jones28]

Ah the caring socialist left of the SNP (except for viewers in England they can freeze)

If you’re surprised that people think Scotland should benefit from its own energy policies that could mean Scotland doesn’t have to endure blackouts you really are clutching at straws with this.

[James310]

I don’t know how you get away with constantly being so antagonising. We all get you don’t like the snp but constantly repeating yourself and adding nothing constructive gets really boring

Lol, put me on ignore. We all have different opinions, if we all thought and said the same it would be boring.

Are you critical of those that post daily on other threads? No, because you agree with them. We don't live in North Korea where we all have to agree with the government, we have free speech.

I find your posts pretty extreme, how do you get away with it?

Basically you want me to shut up because you don't like my opinion. There are countries you could move to where this is the norm.

[Zambernardi1875]

Lol, put me on ignore. We all have different opinions, if we all thought and said the same it would be boring.

Are you critical of those that post daily on other threads? No, because you agree with them. We don't live in North Korea where we all have to agree with the government, we have free speech.

I find your posts pretty extreme, how do you get away with it?

Basically you want me to shut up because you don't like my opinion. There are countries you could move to where this is the norm.

Can you stop the personal insults please! All for having different opinions stop being petty. Just when marmite first got released I didn’t waste all my days on marmite .net trying to convince everyone that marmite was *****, cause I would’ve been labelled a troll and banned.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can you stop the personal insults please! All for having different opinions stop being petty. Just when marmite first got released I didn’t waste all my days on marmite .net trying to convince everyone that marmite was *****, cause I would’ve been labelled a troll and banned.

He's not a troll and shouldn't be banned, even if I disagree with his opinions regularly enough, he's not ill mannered

[James310]

Can you stop the personal insults please! All for having different opinions stop being petty. Just when marmite first got released I didn’t waste all my days on marmite .net trying to convince everyone that marmite was *****, cause I would’ve been labelled a troll and banned.

Maybe if you stick to the topic instead it would help? I am happy to do that, are you?

[Zambernardi1875]

He's not a troll and shouldn't be banned, even if I disagree with his opinions regularly enough, he's not ill mannered

A broken record then. I remember back in 2014 during the Indy campaign I was on Twitter and there was a guy who worked at Scottish friendly that only replied to posters in an antagonistic manner. Wonder what happened to him.

Ps I never said he was a troll. You hid ****ing bodyguard like.

[Just Alf]

He's not a troll and shouldn't be banned, even if I disagree with his opinions regularly enough, he's not ill manneredThis.... and sometimes it makes me think a bit deeper.

One of the good guys .

[James310]

A broken record then. I remember back in 2014 during the Indy campaign I was on Twitter and there was a guy who worked at Scottish friendly that only replied to posters in an antagonistic manner. Wonder what happened to him.

Ps I never said he was a troll. You hid ****ing bodyguard like.

Ah I get it, because I was trying to help another poster with a query about ISAs and mentioned I have an account at Scottish Friendly you think I am your nemesis from 8 years ago on Twitter. 😂 Sorry, never worked at Scottish Friendly ever.

Seriously, much better if we stick to the topic rather than suggesting I am somebody that still lives in your head from 8 years ago.

[Stairway 2 7]

A broken record then. I remember back in 2014 during the Indy campaign I was on Twitter and there was a guy who worked at Scottish friendly that only replied to posters in an antagonistic manner. Wonder what happened to him.

Ps I never said he was a troll. You hid ****ing bodyguard like.

Your second part is pretty cringy for a grown adult to say, presuming you are one

[WhileTheChief..]

‘It’s fine to repeat things as long as you agree with me.” :greengrin

[degenerated]

I don’t know how you get away with constantly being so antagonising. We all get you don’t like the snp but constantly repeating yourself and adding nothing constructive gets really boringHe's a troll. Probably paid handsomely for it too.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's a troll. Probably paid handsomely for it too.

Going down the rabbit hole now

[James310]

He's a troll. Probably paid handsomely for it too.

Lol, paid by who exactly? Are you serious?

This is actually hilarious.

[degenerated]

Lol, paid by who exactly? Are you serious?

This is actually hilarious.I'm deadly serious.

[James310]

I'm deadly serious.

Paid by who then? Explain....I am really keen to hear this.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lol, paid by who exactly? Are you serious?

Big pharma, Douglas Ross and spectre

[James310]

Big pharma, Douglas Ross and spectre

How did you know?😂

[HNA12]

Please cut out the personal digs and stick to the topic or the thread gets closed. If you can’t do that don’t be surprised when we remove your posting rights, we run a fitba forum here and to be frank we can’t be bothered anymore with the hassle this add on brings.

[Stairway 2 7]

How did you know?😂

That old trick, I'm telling you nothing thank you very much

[James310]

That old trick, I'm telling you nothing thank you very much

IP address logged and I am telling my masters about you, you know too much.

[ronaldo7]

IP address logged and I am telling my masters about you, you know too much.

:wink:

[James310]

:wink:

?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

IP address logged and I am telling my masters about you, you know too much.

Jesus, I wish I hadn't just finished the body in the bag documentary on Channel 5! 😲

[SChibs]

Is it legal for your energy supplier to force you to pay a higher direct debit than you want to?

Current I have 2 different suppliers for leckie and gas. I pay gas monthly when they send me my bill by post.

My electric account is normally £30 a month which Scottish Power say I must increase to £50 a month to cover my estimated usage for the year. But, I have £140 credit in my account and I'll be getting £66 p/m from the government towards the bill so I don't want to increase this payment. What's the point in building up credit to then be told you can't actually use it to pay your bill in the future

[Stairway 2 7]

15 million that could potentially reduce the costs of your £60 billion pound subsidy

@Steven_Swinford
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No 10 has blocked a public information campaign encouraging people to save energy

Jacob Rees-Mogg signed off plans for campaign with potential £15m budget in recent days

No 10 rejected it today amid claims Truss is ideologically opposed twitter.com/hendopolis/sta…

[nonshinyfinish]

Is it legal for your energy supplier to force you to pay a higher direct debit than you want to?

Current I have 2 different suppliers for leckie and gas. I pay gas monthly when they send me my bill by post.

My electric account is normally £30 a month which Scottish Power say I must increase to £50 a month to cover my estimated usage for the year. But, I have £140 credit in my account and I'll be getting £66 p/m from the government towards the bill so I don't want to increase this payment. What's the point in building up credit to then be told you can't actually use it to pay your bill in the future

According to this, yes it is legal (I'd guess it's written into the terms and conditions agreed when the account was opened): https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/your-energy-direct-debit-questions-26758757


Is my energy supplier allowed to increase my direct debit payments?

Yes, if you’re on a standard variable tariff they can increase it to the level of the price cap. Suppliers have a right and responsibility to make sure customer payments accurately reflect their energy use. But customers also need to be told beforehand that their payments are going up and given the reasons why.

Justina Miltienyte of Uswitch.com explains: “Consumers should keep an eye on their monthly direct debit payments and if they think they are too high or unaffordable, they should contact their supplier as soon as possible to avoid getting into debt or overpaying excessively.

“Any built-up credit balance can be refunded unless the supplier has a good reason not to, which they must explain. In normal times we would advise that consumers claim back this money before the summer, but given the price rises it might be worth keeping the balance there. Any extra money can act as a buffer against future price rises.

“It is important that Ofgem continues to keep a close eye on suppliers to ensure that any increase in customer payments are fair and reflect their usage.”

[Hibernia&Alba]

15 million that could potentially reduce the costs of your £60 billion pound subsidy

@Steven_Swinford
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12h
Exclusive:

No 10 has blocked a public information campaign encouraging people to save energy

Jacob Rees-Mogg signed off plans for campaign with potential £15m budget in recent days

No 10 rejected it today amid claims Truss is ideologically opposed twitter.com/hendopolis/sta…

How does somebody go from being a Liberal Democrat to now being to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's some journey.

[Santa Cruz]

According to this, yes it is legal (I'd guess it's written into the terms and conditions agreed when the account was opened): https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/your-energy-direct-debit-questions-26758757

and OFGEM issued a reminder to Energy companies in July recommending improvements to the way they deal with customers direct debits

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/press-release-ofgem-requires-improvements-energy-suppliers-customer-direct-debits

[Stairway 2 7]

How does somebody go from being a Liberal Democrat to now being to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's some journey.

😆 🤣 a bigger lurch than the hindeburg in its last minutes

[Smartie]

15 million that could potentially reduce the costs of your £60 billion pound subsidy

@Steven_Swinford
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12h
Exclusive:

No 10 has blocked a public information campaign encouraging people to save energy

Jacob Rees-Mogg signed off plans for campaign with potential £15m budget in recent days

No 10 rejected it today amid claims Truss is ideologically opposed twitter.com/hendopolis/sta…

Would we really trust them to come up with anything useful though?

Would it not most likely end up being some ruse that they’ve dreamt up with kettle manufacturers to make a few quid?

[Just_Jimmy]

Can you stop the personal insults please! All for having different opinions stop being petty. Just when marmite first got released I didn’t waste all my days on marmite .net trying to convince everyone that marmite was *****, cause I would’ve been labelled a troll and banned.He's neither of these things. He's got a different opinion to you. I don't agree with everything he says or you say either.

This board is very pro indy and pro snp. Just like political governance, its good to have a strong opposition and different opinions.

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[JimBHibees]

How does somebody go from being a Liberal Democrat to now being to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's some journey.

Yep unbelievable anyone could move that far. Very odd transformation

[grunt]

Yep unbelievable anyone could move that far. Very odd transformationShe's got form though; remainer to hard brexiter.

[danhibees1875]

Shell have upped my DD also. I understand that I'll use more in the winter time and that prices have just went up but I'm convinced (or hopeful at least) that they've overestimated the cost.

The last 3 months have all been almost exactly £80 worth of use - they've now decided it'll actually be £281 a month going forward.

They're proposed £220 DD (since I have credit) will hopefully be way too much. To save giving them too much credit I've managed to reduce that to £180 but they won't let me go any lower. Will see what the October bill is and either accept the new normal or push harder for a reduction if my actual costs are still low.

[hibee]

Octopus have cut my direct debit to £133 because of the government payment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Shell have upped my DD also. I understand that I'll use more in the winter time and that prices have just went up but I'm convinced (or hopeful at least) that they've overestimated the cost.

The last 3 months have all been almost exactly £80 worth of use - they've now decided it'll actually be £281 a month going forward.

They're proposed £220 DD (since I have credit) will hopefully be way too much. To save giving them too much credit I've managed to reduce that to £180 but they won't let me go any lower. Will see what the October bill is and either accept the new normal or push harder for a reduction if my actual costs are still low.

Can you look at old statements and work out what you used last winter and work out what that would cost at current rates?

That’s what I done and when I finally got through to Eon they let me reduce from £255 to £110 + the Gov payment. I worked out my usage last winter would cost about £140pm this winter and I’ve got a massive credit and will also be cutting back. Had been paying £255 a month to try build a credit and spread the hit:

[Kato]

How does somebody go from being a Liberal Democrat to now being to the right of Jacob Rees-Mogg? That's some journey.Stupidity with a feral sense of ambition.

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[patch1875]

Octopus have cut my direct debit to £133 because of the government payment.

Bulb cut mines by a £1

[hibee]

Bulb cut mines by a £1

Octopus suggested in their email that they had to reduce it:

“This is £67.00 less per property than usual, to pass on the discount of the Energy Bill Support Scheme. From October, you'll receive a monthly discount on your account of £66 (rising to £67 from December to March) from the Government.

We're required to reduce your monthly payments as part of the scheme — but should you prefer to use the scheme to build up a buffer, simply adjust your payment back up in the next 48 hours.”

[overdrive]

Octopus suggested in their email that they had to reduce it:

“This is £67.00 less per property than usual, to pass on the discount of the Energy Bill Support Scheme. From October, you'll receive a monthly discount on your account of £66 (rising to £67 from December to March) from the Government.

We're required to reduce your monthly payments as part of the scheme — but should you prefer to use the scheme to build up a buffer, simply adjust your payment back up in the next 48 hours.”

My supplier (Ovo) is taking the full normal direct debit then refunding us the monthly discount 3 days after. Seems a bit of an inefficient way of doing it.

[stu in nottingham]

My supplier (Ovo) is taking the full normal direct debit then refunding us the monthly discount 3 days after. Seems a bit of an inefficient way of doing it.

My provider too, EDF. The discount arrived in my account about nine days after the direct debit was taken out.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm with British Gas and despite them sending me an email that specifically said they would send the money directly to my current account a couple of days after the payment was made they just credited my BG account with the credit instead, I'm not bothered as I have it either way but it's them all over

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/oct/18/bbc-prepares-secret-scripts-for-possible-use-in-winter-blackouts

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfX_PodXEBc4P-Z?format=png&name=small

[Callum_62]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/oct/18/bbc-prepares-secret-scripts-for-possible-use-in-winter-blackouts

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfX_PodXEBc4P-Z?format=png&name=smallWait, why are NI OK?

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[GlesgaeHibby]

I'm with British Gas and despite them sending me an email that specifically said they would send the money directly to my current account a couple of days after the payment was made they just credited my BG account with the credit instead, I'm not bothered as I have it either way but it's them all over

They're hopeless. Pretty sure they said it'd be credited to my account, but I got it direct into bank account.

They can't even bill monthly, I've been with them since Peoples Energy went bust and been billed twice. And both times it's been based on an estimated (inflated) electricity reading, as they aren't getting data from my smart meter despite me logging it as an issue with them a few times.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm with British Gas and despite them sending me an email that specifically said they would send the money directly to my current account a couple of days after the payment was made they just credited my BG account with the credit instead, I'm not bothered as I have it either way but it's them all over

I’m with BG and I got the £66 paid into my current account the other day.

J

[Mon Dieu4]

I’m with BG and I got the £66 paid into my current account the other day.

J

They said they were going to do that for me, I waited a few days and it still hadnt arrived so I logged into my account and there it was sat as a credit, I've given up trying to make sense of anything that company does

[Gatecrasher]

What is the actual possibility of blackouts? There's been a lot of talk about this recently and I can't think why? What has happened to our energy production that we may have to have blackouts?

I just can't see where this is coming from.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What is the actual possibility of blackouts? There's been a lot of talk about this recently and I can't think why? What has happened to our energy production that we may have to have blackouts?

I just can't see where this is coming from.

No chance it’ll happen imo.

[danhibees1875]

Can you look at old statements and work out what you used last winter and work out what that would cost at current rates?

That’s what I done and when I finally got through to Eon they let me reduce from £255 to £110 + the Gov payment. I worked out my usage last winter would cost about £140pm this winter and I’ve got a massive credit and will also be cutting back. Had been paying £255 a month to try build a credit and spread the hit:

Not with ease as my supplier went bust and I moved to the new company over the winter but there was a set up lag.

I've found an old statement from the previous winter (20/21) and can see a month of use from then based on readings either side of new year. Probably used more heating in the depths of winter, but also probably wasn't in the house for a week or so over Xmas so assuming it balances out.

Using those readings, the £75 bill would now be £220. So shell were a little off with £280pm - but not by as much as I'd been hoping!

[Since90+2]

Wait, why are NI OK?

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Says in the article they share the grid with Republic of Ireland.

[GlesgaeHibby]

What is the actual possibility of blackouts? There's been a lot of talk about this recently and I can't think why? What has happened to our energy production that we may have to have blackouts?

I just can't see where this is coming from.

Worry would be if we get a really cold winter with low wind speeds meaning demand up and output from renewables down, and a subsequent increased reliance on gas.

[Santa Cruz]

Worry would be if we get a really cold winter with low wind speeds meaning demand up and output from renewables down, and a subsequent increased reliance on gas.

Good bargain here to have handy as an emergency backup should the worst happen. I got a few for elderly family to avoid trips should the lights go out.

https://www.blacks.co.uk/16030539/eurohike-12-led-lantern-16030539/?istCompanyId=d92b362f-ac8a-4a8a-87ca-c56eafad7955&istFeedId=2f99410f-1124-43d5-8232-86c184f09479&istItemId=iqxiqqlrm&istBid=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv9D9rITs-gIV2O7tCh2WlQ7uEAQYASABEgKquPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[stu in nottingham]

Good bargain here to have handy as an emergency backup should the worst happen. I got a few for elderly family to avoid trips should the lights go out.

https://www.blacks.co.uk/16030539/eurohike-12-led-lantern-16030539/?istCompanyId=d92b362f-ac8a-4a8a-87ca-c56eafad7955&istFeedId=2f99410f-1124-43d5-8232-86c184f09479&istItemId=iqxiqqlrm&istBid=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv9D9rITs-gIV2O7tCh2WlQ7uEAQYASABEgKquPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

'Hello is that 2022 speaking? This is the 1970s calling'. :wink:

[Santa Cruz]

'Hello is that 2022 speaking? This is the 1970s calling'. :wink:

Is that you hunted oot your CB radio Stu for the full time travel experience, ha. :greengrin

[stu in nottingham]

Is that you hunted oot your CB radio Stu for the full time travel experience, ha. :greengrin

Ten-foot whippy aerial on the back of a 1973 Ford 'tina 1600L - I could go for that! :wink:

[speedy_gonzales]

What is the actual possibility of blackouts? There's been a lot of talk about this recently and I can't think why? What has happened to our energy production that we may have to have blackouts?

I just can't see where this is coming from.

Read your post this morning then came across this on Twitter https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1582483055146840068?t=QF9FXyQiK2o9c26W5pxN-A&s=19 this evening.

Could be a bit tin-foil hatish, I don't recognise the account, but that doesn't mean someone somewhere isn't taking the threat seriously.

[Stairway 2 7]

Read your post this morning then came across this on Twitter https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1582483055146840068?t=QF9FXyQiK2o9c26W5pxN-A&s=19 this evening.

Could be a bit tin-foil hatish, I don't recognise the account, but that doesn't mean someone somewhere isn't taking the threat seriously.

National grid has it at verging on no chance. We aren’t actually that exposed to Russian gas. We got almost all from ourselves and Norway. A new deal with Norway is set up. The problem is the huge short sighted price we paid, rather than getting it.

[grunt]

Read your post this morning then came across this on Twitter https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1582483055146840068?t=QF9FXyQiK2o9c26W5pxN-A&s=19 this evening.

Could be a bit tin-foil hatish, I don't recognise the account, but that doesn't mean someone somewhere isn't taking the threat seriously.
Phantom Power is very good on the independence question, and has some 30,000 followers. The post you quoted is taken from an article in the Guardian which reported on BBC contingency plans in the event of power blackouts.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/oct/18/bbc-prepares-secret-scripts-for-possible-use-in-winter-blackouts

[speedy_gonzales]

Phantom Power is very good on the independence question, and has some 30,000 followers. The post you quoted is taken from an article in the Guardian which reported on BBC contingency plans in the event of power blackouts.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/oct/18/bbc-prepares-secret-scripts-for-possible-use-in-winter-blackouts

Thanks for the link. I'm not naive to think that big corps don't plan for extraordinary events that might never happen.
We've literally been through a big event in the Queen's passing where various Operations (Unicorn) & Projects (Lyon)v were carried out after years of planning with much of it kept from the public at the time.
Fingers crossed our energy security isn't compromised any time soon 🤞🏻

[Stairway 2 7]

Gas prices are back to normal. Europe has filled up 100% of storage and weather is mild and expected to stay this way for a while. Interesting thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreasSteno/status/1584450621356134400

A sudden MATERIAL oversupply of Gas in Europe.

Could prices go to 0? 🤯 A thread

Tendar
After 6 months natural gas prices in Europe (Amsterdam) undercut again the 100 EUR/MWh line. At his moment the value stands at 98 EUR/MWh. When Nordstream was blown up it was at 210 EUR/MWh. Russia's gas war is slowly ending and Moscow is losing.

[Callum_62]

Gas prices are back to normal. Europe has filled up 100% of storage and weather is mild and expected to stay this way for a while. Interesting thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreasSteno/status/1584450621356134400

A sudden MATERIAL oversupply of Gas in Europe.

Could prices go to 0? [emoji2962] A thread

Tendar
After 6 months natural gas prices in Europe (Amsterdam) undercut again the 100 EUR/MWh line. At his moment the value stands at 98 EUR/MWh. When Nordstream was blown up it was at 210 EUR/MWh. Russia's gas war is slowly ending and Moscow is losing.If it stays like that when will we see our prices drop?

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[Stairway 2 7]

If it stays like that when will we see our prices drop?

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Yes but not until next summer. Our prices we pay this winter are what the cowboy companies assumed the price would be. They buy on the futures market. Its all one big stitch up

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1584954698582618112?t=LAA_q1ljxrt5a2u-6DSjQQ&s=19

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[Smartie]

https://twitter.com/ProudToBeUnite/status/1584955365799886848

I thought this tweet was interesting, a few below the one in the link posted above.

[Moulin Yarns]

Stv news website has a good article explaining when we can expect power cuts.


https://news.stv.tv/scotland/when-and-where-blackouts-could-hit-your-home-this-winter-revealed

[Stairway 2 7]

Stv news website has a good article explaining when we can expect power cuts.


https://news.stv.tv/scotland/when-and-where-blackouts-could-hit-your-home-this-winter-revealed

When we can expect them is as fear mongering as the article.

In the time since the national grid put up the different scenarios, Europe has pretty much fulled its storage facilities and uk has done an over inflated deal with Norway to guarantee gas.

John pettigrew the national grid chief quoted in the article said its unlikely to happen, but the government needed to let the energy companies make more profit so they could invest. Here he is in 2020 warning we could have blackouts that winter unless we let energy companies have more profits
https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Tanner/status/1584443376333529089

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/too-much-gas-the-unexpected-twist-in-europe-s-energy-crisis

Europe now has too much gas.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/too-much-gas-the-unexpected-twist-in-europe-s-energy-crisis

Europe now has too much gas.


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Europe expected to have a very mild winter due to el nina. We need to be at full pelt now to prevent risks next winter

[Paulie Walnuts]

Europe expected to have a very mild winter due to el nina. We need to be at full pelt now to prevent risks next winter

It’s La Niña this year and I’m sure that means more cold and rain, no?

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s La Niña this year and I’m sure that means more cold and rain, no?

It was just an article I read that said due to it it would be mild and wet this winter, no idea to be honest. But I have seen a few articles saying the expert a mild winter but it's obviously all a guess this early

[SHODAN]

Stv news website has a good article explaining when we can expect power cuts.


https://news.stv.tv/scotland/when-and-where-blackouts-could-hit-your-home-this-winter-revealed

No danger there'll be any power cuts in the Tory heartlands. Us and the North of England will get it.

[Hibbyradge]

No danger there'll be any power cuts in the Tory heartlands. Us and the North of England will get it.

That's an impressive level of cynicism, but I doubt it'll be accurate.

Even if the Tories wanted to weaponise power cuts politically, they need to hang on to as many of the 'red wall' seats they won last time.

Doing anything remotely like what you've suggested would be seen for what it was and decrease their popularity in those areas even further.

Edit: It would be a good rumour to start if you had enough social media presence, though. 😃

[Ozyhibby]

That's an impressive level of cynicism, but I doubt it'll be accurate.

Even if the Tories wanted to weaponise power cuts politically, they need to hang on to as many of the 'red wall' seats they won last time.

Doing anything remotely like what you've suggested would be seen for what it was and decrease their popularity in those areas even further.

Scotland is a net energy exporter, why should we have any cuts?


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[Hibbyradge]

Scotland is a net energy exporter, why should we have any cuts?


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It shouldn't, and maybe wouldn't, if it wasn't part of the UK.

[Stairway 2 7]

Scotland is a net energy exporter, why should we have any cuts?


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Once storage is better developed were laughing. At the moment think it's about 50% of the energy we use is renewable, surely won't be far off

[archie]

Scotland is a net energy exporter, why should we have any cuts?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBecause it's part of a GB energy system, something the SNP want to continue after independence. Imports of energy are needed when renewable generation can't provide the required load. The net refers to an overall measure, not any specific point in time.

[Ozyhibby]

Because it's part of a GB energy system, something the SNP want to continue after independence. Imports of energy are needed when renewable generation can't provide the required load. The net refers to an overall measure, not any specific point in time.

And yet we are the only country developing onshore wind. So not a UK wide energy policy.


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[archie]

And yet we are the only country developing onshore wind. So not a UK wide energy policy.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOK - there's a lot to unpack here. Firstly it's a GB wide energy system, not UK. Ireland has its own arrangements. There has been historic opposition to onshore development in England. Oddly, that was quietly reversed unter the Truss administration who knows where that will go? But why you would pick that small point is strange. Interested in your thinking on that.

Secondly, the work on renewables across GB is supported by GB bill payers. This is in two ways: levies to support the development of renewables and guaranteed prices for the generated electricity. That's why the Scottish Government supports the continuance of a GB energy system post independence. The table below is cost per kilowatt hour (pence er KWH). It includes NI, but they are on a different system. Obviously prices have gone up, but I think the broad proportions are right. You will see that south Scotland is under the UK average while north Scotland is over the UK average. That is due to population density and distance from generation.

2021[r] East Midlands 22.29
2021[r] Eastern 22.97
2021[r] London 22.80
2021[r] Merseyside & North Wales 24.10
2021[r] North East 22.53
2021[r] North Scotland 23.43
2021[r] North West 22.44
2021[r] Northern Ireland 19.64
2021[r] South East 23.57
2021[r] South Scotland 22.50
2021[r] South Wales 23.51
2021[r] South West 23.67
2021[r] Southern 22.79
2021[r] West Midlands 22.82
2021[r] Yorkshire 22.54
2021[r] United Kingdom 22.80

The current generation mix can be found here: https://www.energydashboard.co.uk/live Nearly 60% is renewables. Impressive, but that's still a big gap to fill. The other thing to look at is where wind generation takes place. You focussed on onshore generation. But look at the offshore generation in England and Wales. It far outstrips ours. As for generation, across GB it fell last year, despite increased capacity. That's just a function of variable wind. Source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/regional-renewable-statistics

So I would argue that the complex issues around renewables, coupled with the balancing effect of a GB network, explains why Scotland will also have black outs, should they be needed.

[archie]

Because it's part of a GB energy system, something the SNP want to continue after independence. Imports of energy are needed when renewable generation can't provide the required load. The net refers to an overall measure, not any specific point in time.I agree about storage. It's not easy, but as we move to electric cars there are options to use their batteries as storage. also, there are develeopments in battery technology - Elon Musk has been big on this. Check out the work in Australia. You can also make green hydrogen which can be used as vehcile fuel and potentially in the gas network. None of this is, however, cheap! I think there are also issues about the relaibility of some of the merging technologies. You can't screw around with this stuff!

[HH81]

Just got a message to say my 66.00 refunded to bank account. Seems like a con them getting full DD to then refund later!

[Stairway 2 7]

Just got a message to say my 66.00 refunded to bank account. Seems like a con them getting full DD to then refund later!

Decent amount of interest if you upscale that to millions of contracts

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.ft.com/content/8c4f9b6f-7770-490e-83e8-3fdd12f7a99f

The end of Europe’s energy crisis is in sight

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221028/3fe50aa8789ac21c95fe7e1597cc95a0.jpg


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/28/oil-and-gas-firms-are-still-making-a-killing-and-no-10-is-letting-them

The UK today. [emoji35]
Everyday I become more convinced Scotland could do a better job of running our own affairs.


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[Santa Cruz]

Just got a message to say my 66.00 refunded to bank account. Seems like a con them getting full DD to then refund later!

I just checked as my DD was due to be collected today. Mine was deducted by my supplier - Ovo. I'm still paying £70 more than last year, but reckon now I don't pay for my daughter's bus travel and cancelled a few streaming channels (good time to get rid of the channel that shows the Kartrashian's finally :greengrin), I'm not that much worse off with this bill. Saying that, it will be dependant on how quickly the credit I've built up disappears at which point they will want to increase my DD again.

[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221028/3fe50aa8789ac21c95fe7e1597cc95a0.jpg


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/28/oil-and-gas-firms-are-still-making-a-killing-and-no-10-is-letting-them

The UK today. [emoji35]
Everyday I become more convinced Scotland could do a better job of running our own affairs.


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No no no don’t be silly Oz. We’re lost without the people that make these kind of decisions.

[Moulin Yarns]

Octopus buy bulb from administrator / government.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/hannon_matthew/status/1587825619353714693?s=46&t=pMCBrL20Pte6s_IyJpF-6g


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[silverhibee]

Just got a message to say my 66.00 refunded to bank account. Seems like a con them getting full DD to then refund later!

Do you get this monthly, last month (with OVO) they took the amount out through DD and my bank account was credited with £66.00, this month my bill was paid DD but wasn’t credited with £66.00, should it have been ? :aok: :confused: :greengrin

[hibee_girl]

Do you get this monthly, last month (with OVO) they took the amount out through DD and my bank account was credited with £66.00, this month my bill was paid DD but wasn’t credited with £66.00, should it have been ? :aok: :confused: :greengrin

You should get the £66 roughly 5 days after they take your DD

[silverhibee]

You should get the £66 roughly 5 days after they take your DD

Thanks

[silverhibee]

You should get the £66 roughly 5 days after they take your DD

Put in my account today.

[Stairway 2 7]

Musk has his uses

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-63707463?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=42529484-69C2-11ED-8737-6BC94744363C&at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBCScienceNews&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign_type=owned&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_format=link

[Santa Cruz]

Energy bills: Patients prescribed heating as part of health trial
Encouraging pilot with targeted support for people at most risk due to specific underlying health conditions. Not very clear how it's co-ordinated with health being devolved, but the pilot has been extended to include Gloucester, Deeside and Aberdeenshire. The stats relating to deaths attributed to living in an unheated home are quite shocking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63707689

[silverhibee]

Anyone bought a Alpha heater or are they a scam/dodgy, in other words is to good to be true, sorry can’t post a link.

[Moulin Yarns]

Anyone bought a Alpha heater or are they a scam/dodgy, in other words is to good to be true, sorry can’t post a link.

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B09L4XG38M

Other reviews on independent review sites are similar.


Get a dimple ceramic heater instead. That's a personal recommendation

https://ao.com/product/dxuc2b-dimplex-heater-black-41842-152.aspx

[grunt]

Anyone bought a Alpha heater or are they a scam/dodgy, in other words is to good to be true, sorry can’t post a link.
If you can be bothered listening to the slightly annoying presenter and the member of the public, Radio 4 looked into these and other heaters last week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dxtx

[Sylar]

I wondered why I hadn't seen this coming into my account - it seems it's automatically being taken off my direct debits instead, which I'm happy with (E.On Next).

[Stairway 2 7]

1 2000w plug in heater uses about 70p a minute. Not much dearer to run the heating

[Since90+2]

1 2000w plug in heater uses about 70p a minute. Not much dearer to run the heating

Do you mean per hour?

[Moulin Yarns]

Do you mean per hour?

Hopefully!!

I use my ceramic heater to quickly warm my workshop, about 30 minutes is all it needs.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Do you mean per hour?

I hope so, just about had a heart attack when I read it!

[Sylar]

We're looking at getting an oil heater - apparently the most efficient heat appliance one can own!

[Hibrandenburg]

We're looking at getting an oil heater - apparently the most efficient heat appliance one can own!

I use one in the caravan. Temperatures are around -4 here at nights and the thermostat kicks in to keep the temperature about +3. Much more energy efficient than using the gas or electric underfloor heating.

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you mean per hour?

Jeez yeah ha, it's no went up that much. Yes about 70p an hour with the price cap think average combi boiler is 90p.

[Stairway 2 7]

We're looking at getting an oil heater - apparently the most efficient heat appliance one can own!

Depends on the kW. The 70p per hour is for 2000kw, which is around what most oil heaters are.

I was surprised how expensive plug in heaters were. Probably as well as turning off a few radiators and using the heating or putting on more layers

[Just Alf]

Jeez yeah ha, it's no went up that much. Yes about 70p an hour with the price cap think average combi boiler is 90p.Phew! :slipper:

[Stairway 2 7]

Phew! :slipper:

I think you'd notice £42 per hour ha. But seriously they are still really expensive to run, certainly comparing to a TV at 3p ph

[stu in nottingham]

Energy bills: Patients prescribed heating as part of health trial


Encouraging pilot with targeted support for people at most risk due to specific underlying health conditions. Not very clear how it's co-ordinated with health being devolved, but the pilot has been extended to include Gloucester, Deeside and Aberdeenshire. The stats relating to deaths attributed to living in an unheated home are quite shocking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63707689


Staying warm: What does an unheated room do to your body?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63602501

[danhibees1875]

Theoretical (!) price cap going from £3,549 to £4,279 (figures all for "typical" use!)

Households protected by government guarantee keeping that at £2,500 until April, then it increases to £3,000 through to next winter.

Although worth noting that £2,500 this year became £2,100 with the £400 discount/rebate. So the jump for next winter (even with the government guarantee cap) is a huge 43% from £2.1k to £3k.

For the optimists, there is a chance that the ofgem price cap could drop below the government guarantee. It's certainly predicted to drop significantly in the next few changes after today's increase. Hopefully it does and the can kicking would have at least paid off a little bit.

[Stairway 2 7]

Theoretical (!) price cap going from £3,549 to £4,279 (figures all for "typical" use!)

Households protected by government guarantee keeping that at £2,500 until April, then it increases to £3,000 through to next winter.

Although worth noting that £2,500 this year became £2,100 with the £400 discount/rebate. So the jump for next winter (even with the government guarantee cap) is a huge 43% from £2.1k to £3k.

For the optimists, there is a chance that the ofgem price cap could drop below the government guarantee. It's certainly predicted to drop significantly in the next few changes after today's increase. Hopefully it does and the can kicking would have at least paid off a little bit.

The way gas prices and futures are going, I think the actual average price will be bellow the government cap

[Stairway 2 7]

Disgusting use of prepaid metres. Government are doing nothing to stop forced pre instalment

https://www.ft.com/content/318b9dbf-15a8-4232-9931-9ee540bb2c21

[Stairway 2 7]

Very cool interactive article on the uk and European power sharing this winter

https://ig.ft.com/electricity-sharing/

[Moulin Yarns]

Bulb just told me that they are raising my direct debit to over £320 a month even though I have 3 months worth of credit. I immediately went online and reduced it back to the same amount as the last couple of months.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/edconwaysky/status/1598646844204072960?s=46&t=HJajBPR2hOGw-G2UedYjww

Really interesting thread.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Europe is going to get its first energy test this week. Its dry cold and no wind. Uk will be tested tomorrow. Today and yesterday only 4% of uks power came from renewables (it was dark and no wind) 67% from fossil fuels and 20% from nuclear.

We should have ramped up nuclear 20 years ago so we didn't have to depend on gas when there is no wind.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreasSteno/status/1602014856978243584

[Stairway 2 7]

Fingers crossed thanks to actual investment for the first time in decades, in the US it looks like they made a net positive test of nuclear fission for the first time

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1602055114755391490

[archie]

Fingers crossed thanks to actual investment for the first time in decades, in the US it looks like they made a net positive test of nuclear fission for the first time

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1602055114755391490If this leads to something that can be operationalized it will be transformative. Exciting but not doing anything for the next 20 years I suspect.

[Andy Bee]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1601998188545802240

I listened to this earlier tonight and it was ****** harrowing, you hear all the strap lines about "heating or eating" etc and various political parties using it to score political points and you become somewhat desensitized to it but that phonecall really hit home with me. I believe Philip is getting the help he needs but his main point was that he's not the only one, far from it. He's right that no political party in this country at the moment gives a flying **** about people like him. The fact we're meant to be the 6th richest nation and this is happening is absolutely disgusting .

The conversation carried on and a charity worker called in mentioning the fact that a judge in Wigan had just cleared applications from an energy company to put 500 consumers onto prepayment meters, it took the judge a grand total of 4 mins to complete, this is meant to be carried out as a last resort and definitely not for vulnerable people but the judge has to rely on the energy company to do their due diligence. These days the new style meters can be swapped from normal D/D type meters to prepay with a flick of a switch remotely. Another caller mentioned he was a barrister and witnessed another 300 being forced over to prepayment meters without any scrutiny from the legal system. These things should be banned right now. Charities are advising to keep the heating on as it's easier to face a debt collector rather than being literally dead but these prepayment meters don't allow that choice.

[Moulin Yarns]

Europe is going to get its first energy test this week. Its dry cold and no wind. Uk will be tested tomorrow. Today and yesterday only 4% of uks power came from renewables (it was dark and no wind) 67% from fossil fuels and 20% from nuclear.

We should have ramped up nuclear 20 years ago so we didn't have to depend on gas when there is no wind.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreasSteno/status/1602014856978243584

Do you have a break down of the different types of generation because hydro is more than 4500Mw and is on tap all the time. I also heard that there is currently research into further large hydro schemes.

Edit. Already underway

https://utilityweek.co.uk/inside-1bn-pumped-hydro-plans-to-more-than-double-britains-electricity-storage/

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you have a break down of the different types of generation because hydro is more than 4500Mw and is on tap all the time. I also heard that there is currently research into further large hydro schemes.

Edit. Already underway

https://utilityweek.co.uk/inside-1bn-pumped-hydro-plans-to-more-than-double-britains-electricity-storage/

Can check the national grid energy use at any time here. Renewables making up 6% just now, hydro is 2%. Unfortunately another dry, still, cold day

https://grid.iamkate.com/

[Moulin Yarns]

Can check the national grid energy use at any time here. Renewables making up 6% just now, hydro is 2%. Unfortunately another dry, still, cold day

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Lots of sunshine today up here. 👍

[Santa Cruz]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1601998188545802240

I listened to this earlier tonight and it was ****** harrowing, you hear all the strap lines about "heating or eating" etc and various political parties using it to score political points and you become somewhat desensitized to it but that phonecall really hit home with me. I believe Philip is getting the help he needs but his main point was that he's not the only one, far from it. He's right that no political party in this country at the moment gives a flying **** about people like him. The fact we're meant to be the 6th richest nation and this is happening is absolutely disgusting .

The conversation carried on and a charity worker called in mentioning the fact that a judge in Wigan had just cleared applications from an energy company to put 500 consumers onto prepayment meters, it took the judge a grand total of 4 mins to complete, this is meant to be carried out as a last resort and definitely not for vulnerable people but the judge has to rely on the energy company to do their due diligence. These days the new style meters can be swapped from normal D/D type meters to prepay with a flick of a switch remotely. Another caller mentioned he was a barrister and witnessed another 300 being forced over to prepayment meters without any scrutiny from the legal system. These things should be banned right now. Charities are advising to keep the heating on as it's easier to face a debt collector rather than being literally dead but these prepayment meters don't allow that choice.

It's just plain cruel. You're correct there will be thousands and thousands like this man. I've long suspected this is why voter turnout is so low. Too many people in this country are left isolated with no support. Their main concern is survival, not listening to Politician's avoiding tackling issues but opting instead to attack each other. For people like this man, if he can't even get a GP appt he wouldn't even be able to access a food bank without the necessary referral. Even if he's on benefit's the DWP are working to huge backlogs, so doubt a referral would be quick coming from them either. His LA should offer support, but no doubt he'd struggle to get through an automated system to speak with an actual human being.

Many people who have never been in this position before don't know where to turn for help, or even that they are entitled to it, they will become overwhelmed and so ill physically and mentally they will just give up trying eventually. I'd be just as concerned for people who are too proud to ask for any help tbh.

Pre-pay meters should have been banned years ago, it's shocking how people with no money have them forced on them. Once they've used their emergency credit, they need access to even more money to get heat into their homes. It's a never ending vicious cycle they are caught in.

[McSwanky]

So out of touch

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1604008432603897856?t=yNt2gzGV4bumRWjxqbg_fw&s=19

[danhibees1875]

So out of touch

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1604008432603897856?t=yNt2gzGV4bumRWjxqbg_fw&s=19

Is it?

I'd not seen that before, but seems like a lighthearted and festive way to broadcast some energy saving reminders. :dunno:

[McSwanky]

Is it?

I'd not seen that before, but seems like a lighthearted and festive way to broadcast some energy saving reminders. :dunno:For me, it's crass. Shapps is one of those responsible for the current situation, there's nothing light hearted about it.

The clincher for me was near the end when he talked about 'insulating your home' with the likes of a stuffed snake by your front door. If the Tories hadn't cut back on funding for ACTUAL insulation years ago, maybe things wouldn't be quite as bad, either for people's bills or the environment.

[danhibees1875]

For me, it's crass. Shapps is one of those responsible for the current situation, there's nothing light hearted about it.

The clincher for me was near the end when he talked about 'insulating your home' with the likes of a stuffed snake by your front door. If the Tories hadn't cut back on funding for ACTUAL insulation years ago, maybe things wouldn't be quite as bad, either for people's bills or the environment.

Fair enough. For me, even if it is all the tories fault, or his personally, then I still don't see why a video with some possible mitigations becomes such a problem.

Apparently the advice on boiler flow is misleading and possibly even detrimental to some boiler types though - that's an issue if true!

[Paulie Walnuts]

For me, it's crass. Shapps is one of those responsible for the current situation, there's nothing light hearted about it.

The clincher for me was near the end when he talked about 'insulating your home' with the likes of a stuffed snake by your front door. If the Tories hadn't cut back on funding for ACTUAL insulation years ago, maybe things wouldn't be quite as bad, either for people's bills or the environment.

:agree:

[Hibernia&Alba]

For me, it's crass. Shapps is one of those responsible for the current situation, there's nothing light hearted about it.

The clincher for me was near the end when he talked about 'insulating your home' with the likes of a stuffed snake by your front door. If the Tories hadn't cut back on funding for ACTUAL insulation years ago, maybe things wouldn't be quite as bad, either for people's bills or the environment.

Conman Shapps (is that the name he is using at them moment?) is a proper Jeremy Hunt. Yeah, I'm sure he lies awake at night worrying about his energy bills.



https://youtu.be/NEC9OXwthdw

[patch1875]

Bulb estimated my last months usage as £320 submitted a reading and it’s now £285 that’s with trying to keep the usage down.

[wookie70]

Bulb estimated my last months usage as £320 submitted a reading and it’s now £285 that’s with trying to keep the usage down.

I'm scared to look. I have done meter readings on the 24th for the last few months. I'm fully expecting my gas to be around 500 quid this month. My thermostat is sat at 17 or 17.5 degrees

[WhileTheChief..]

You'd need to use an awful lot of power for your bills to reach £500 a month I think.

I just got an annual statement in, my total combined gas and electric usage for the year was around 9,000 kw/hrs. My direct debit went from £76 to £152 earlier in the year, and from next month it will be £208.

I just paid my 6 monthly bill in November and I'm around £250 in credit., this is with British Gas on their standard tariff.

I should add that the increase next month is almost the same amount as the credit from the Gov's scheme, of £66 pm.

[marinello59]

I'm scared to look. I have done meter readings on the 24th for the last few months. I'm fully expecting my gas to be around 500 quid this month. My thermostat is sat at 17 or 17.5 degrees

I live in a three bed house and my gas will be around the £150 mark for December. You shouldn’t be anywhere near £500 I hope.

[Billy Whizz]

Just got my bill for last 4 weeks and ouch
Usage
Electricity £128
Gas £203.54

[WhileTheChief..]

Just got my bill for last 4 weeks and ouch
Usage
Electricity £128
Gas £203.54

Whats the actual usage of each though?

You're maybe getting a bargain, can't tell without the kw usage.

[Billy Whizz]

Whats the actual usage of each though?

You're maybe getting a bargain, can't tell without the kw usage.

Electricity 49.15p
49.15p/kWh
46.69p/day (£170.41/year)
Eat annual usage 4412.4 kWh

Gas
14.00p/kWh
25.56p/day (£93.31/year)
Est annual usage 14891 kWh

[Paulie Walnuts]

You'd need to use an awful lot of power for your bills to reach £500 a month I think.

I just got an annual statement in, my total combined gas and electric usage for the year was around 9,000 kw/hrs. My direct debit went from £76 to £152 earlier in the year, and from next month it will be £208.

I just paid my 6 monthly bill in November and I'm around £250 in credit., this is with British Gas on their standard tariff.

I should add that the increase next month is almost the same amount as the credit from the Gov's scheme, of £66 pm.

I’ve been using about £100p/m of gas and electric.

I fully expect that to be well higher this month due to how bad the weather has been but £500p/m at the current rates seems obscene.

[Moulin Yarns]

I’ve been using about £100p/m of gas and electric.

I fully expect that to be well higher this month due to how bad the weather has been but £500p/m at the current rates seems obscene.

I'm all electric and that's mental. £350 tops at this time of the year in a stone house with minimal insulation.

[WhileTheChief..]

Electricity 49.15p
49.15p/kWh
46.69p/day (£170.41/year)
Eat annual usage 4412.4 kWh

Gas
14.00p/kWh
25.56p/day (£93.31/year)
Est annual usage 14891 kWh

Works out similar to myself I think.

I'll pay around £1800-£2000 for the year for 9,000 kw hrs.

You'll be paying somewhere between £2,500 - £3,000 for 19,000 kw hrs.

Very approx math on my part!

[danhibees1875]

Works out similar to myself I think.

I'll pay around £1800-£2000 for the year for 9,000 kw hrs.

You'll be paying somewhere between £2,500 - £3,000 for 19,000 kw hrs.

Very approx math on my part!

I didn't think companies were offering deals currently, so we're all just sitting on the price cap paying the same per unit.

[WhileTheChief..]

I didn't think companies were offering deals currently, so we're all just sitting on the price cap paying the same per unit.

Ah, thanks, I didn't know that.

[Callum_62]

I finally got my battery storage installed a few days ago

They couldn't get on the roof to add solar due to the snow/Ice but that's to come

So far it's made my electricity rate pretty much 7.5p kw

I've just been charging my battery from the grid overnight when it's cheap and drawing from the battery has lasted most of the day so far

It will near enough make my elec bills standing charge only

A quick Calc on what I'm. Getting b4 solar is added (so worse case scenario)

7.5p x 6kw = 45p

40p(peak rate) x 6kw = £2.40

That's a saving of £1.95 per day or about £60 per month

That will obviously be more once the panels get added

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[nonshinyfinish]

Electricity 49.15p
49.15p/kWh

Are you sure that's right? Electricity price is currently capped at 34p/kWh (see here: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you)

I think if you're somehow on a fixed rate that's higher than the capped prices then the company is meant to move you to their standard tariff (could be wrong). I'd definitely question it though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

My electricity meter hasn’t moved for about 7 weeks now and my gas meter says I’ve only used 120 units this month despite my heating being on non stop.

Wtf.

[Sylar]

My electricity meter hasn’t moved for about 7 weeks now and my gas meter says I’ve only used 120 units this month despite my heating being on non stop.

Wtf.

Is this on a smart-meter? If so, potentially a lack of communication between your meters and the smart meter? I get that sometimes with ours due to where the smart meter is in our house.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/pentland-firth-tidal-energy-machines-21368531

Possibly the future?

[wookie70]

I live in a three bed house and my gas will be around the £150 mark for December. You shouldn’t be anywhere near £500 I hope.
Just checked and I am using a tenner a day over the last 34 days. Add the standing charge and around 130 for electricity and I'm not far off 500 quid. The thermostat is now set at 16.5 degrees in a bid to lower costs a bit. Utterly ridiculous how much money it is costing.

[Glory Lurker]

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/pentland-firth-tidal-energy-machines-21368531

Possibly the future?

That's good to hear. I thought tidal had been dropped completely so this is a pleasant surprise. It's still a pretty low output though. Can only hope technology improves quickly.

[Hibs4185]

Local petrol station was 164.9 for diesel the other day, now it’s 158.9.

Asda by comparison is 9p a litre more.

One other local station is 163.9 I’ve been told but not seen it for myself.

Regularly in the last 3 months, the local stations have been cheaper than Asda which is refreshing to see. Although they’ve been so busy they often run out

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is this on a smart-meter? If so, potentially a lack of communication between your meters and the smart meter? I get that sometimes with ours due to where the smart meter is in our house.

Na, not smart meters. Never had any issues with either meters before. Would seem bizarre for me to have an issue with both at the exact same time although it seems that might be the case.

[Callum_62]

Just checked and I am using a tenner a day over the last 34 days. Add the standing charge and around 130 for electricity and I'm not far off 500 quid. The thermostat is now set at 16.5 degrees in a bid to lower costs a bit. Utterly ridiculous how much money it is costing.Christ - what size of house and boiler do you have?

I might be fortunate to be in a reasonabley well insulated house but £10 a day of gas when the thermostat is set so low seems mentally expensive (I know energy already is but mentally expensive even for now)

Its so expensive it suggests an possible issue to me

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[Billy Whizz]

Works out similar to myself I think.

I'll pay around £1800-£2000 for the year for 9,000 kw hrs.

You'll be paying somewhere between £2,500 - £3,000 for 19,000 kw hrs.

Very approx math on my part!
Thanks, I was paying £111 a month prior to the crisis, quite scary, particularly after the latest cold spell

[wookie70]

Christ - what size of house and boiler do you have?

I might be fortunate to be in a reasonabley well insulated house but £10 a day of gas when the thermostat is set so low seems mentally expensive (I know energy already is but mentally expensive even for now)

Its so expensive it suggests an possible issue to me

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9ft ceilings so that doesn't help. The usage isn't much different to other years it is just massively more expensive. The boiler is now 10 years old so may have a think to see if a replacement might be worthwhile. I also went with setting the thermostat and keeping an even temperature. I think I will change now and only set it for certain times. The issue is the boiler is smart enough to know that a temperature won't be reached so clicks on early so it gets up to temp. I'll just crank the thermostat to 14 degrees or similar so it stays off when I don't need it. The house is all stones walls though so if it gets cold it takes a good bit of energy to heat it up

[WhileTheChief..]

9ft ceilings so that doesn't help. The usage isn't much different to other years it is just massively more expensive. The boiler is now 10 years old so may have a think to see if a replacement might be worthwhile. I also went with setting the thermostat and keeping an even temperature. I think I will change now and only set it for certain times. The issue is the boiler is smart enough to know that a temperature won't be reached so clicks on early so it gets up to temp. I'll just crank the thermostat to 14 degrees or similar so it stays off when I don't need it. The house is all stones walls though so if it gets cold it takes a good bit of energy to heat it up

I'm in a tenement flat in Glasgow. If I set my thermostat to 16 or 17 the heating would never come on!!

My boiler is over 15 years old I think, definitely needs replaced.

Biggest change I made was getting Hive heating a few years ago - internet based thermostats on my radiators in each room. Cost a few hundred quid in total but well worth it.

I now set each room's radiators to come on at separate times with their own temperatures.

So for example, the bedroom radiator only comes on for 45 mins in the morning before I wake up. That's it, along with the bathroom. No point heating the rest of the house when all I'm doing is getting up, taking a shower and going out to work.

In the living room, when I get home from work, I can have the thermostat at 20 or 21 and it's only 1 radiator being used.

It's also really handy being able to control it from my phone. Just a quick tap to turn things up or down, or turn any other radiator on whenever.

Same applies when I'm out. I just click my phone 30 mins before I'm due home. I'd recommend it to anyone.

I know this sounds miserly and Scrooge like, but I just don't see the point in heating rooms I'm not in.

Guess my parents yelling "turn the light off' when I was a kid stuck!

[Santa Cruz]

Agree about Hive. Love the control it gives and how if you forget to turn your heating off once you go out, you can do it through the app and vice versa for heating the house before you get home. If you can't get your heating to come on, try changing the batteries in the Hive unit before assuming your boiler is knackered. My tip to save wasting time making unnecessary phone calls :greengrin.

[OldEast]

Agree about Hive. Love the control it gives and how if you forget to turn your heating off once you go out, you can do it through the app and vice versa for heating the house before you get home. If you can't get your heating to come on, try changing the batteries in the Hive unit before assuming your boiler is knackered. My tip to save wasting time making unnecessary phone calls :greengrin.

I used Hive when I was at work to check the temperature my son had turned the heating up to. He never realised I always knocked it down a couple of degrees.

[Santa Cruz]

I used Hive when I was at work to check the temperature my son had turned the heating up to. He never realised I always knocked it down a couple of degrees.

Quality! Like a version of snapmaps for snooping on your bairns heating (over)use, as opposed to peace of mind they are where they say they are :wink:

[WhileTheChief..]

Agree about Hive. Love the control it gives and how if you forget to turn your heating off once you go out, you can do it through the app and vice versa for heating the house before you get home. If you can't get your heating to come on, try changing the batteries in the Hive unit before assuming your boiler is knackered. My tip to save wasting time making unnecessary phone calls :greengrin.

You can also turn Notifications on so that when you're getting close to home it asks if you want to turn the heating on or reminds you to turn it off when you go out.

[wookie70]

I'm in a tenement flat in Glasgow. If I set my thermostat to 16 or 17 the heating would never come on!!

My boiler is over 15 years old I think, definitely needs replaced.

Biggest change I made was getting Hive heating a few years ago - internet based thermostats on my radiators in each room. Cost a few hundred quid in total but well worth it.

I now set each room's radiators to come on at separate times with their own temperatures.

So for example, the bedroom radiator only comes on for 45 mins in the morning before I wake up. That's it, along with the bathroom. No point heating the rest of the house when all I'm doing is getting up, taking a shower and going out to work.

In the living room, when I get home from work, I can have the thermostat at 20 or 21 and it's only 1 radiator being used.

It's also really handy being able to control it from my phone. Just a quick tap to turn things up or down, or turn any other radiator on whenever.

Same applies when I'm out. I just click my phone 30 mins before I'm due home. I'd recommend it to anyone.

I know this sounds miserly and Scrooge like, but I just don't see the point in heating rooms I'm not in.

Guess my parents yelling "turn the light off' when I was a kid stuck!

I might have a look at that. I think the house having 17 windows doesn't help. It is around 2000sq ft so double the size of many 3 bed Wimpey houses and apart from double glazing and some loft insulation it is basically just two rows of bricks with an empty cavity.

[grunt]

Biggest change I made was getting Hive heating a few years ago - internet based thermostats on my radiators in each room. Cost a few hundred quid in total but well worth it.


Agree about Hive. Love the control it gives and how if you forget to turn your heating off once you go out, you can do it through the app and vice versa for heating the house before you get home.


I used Hive when I was at work to check the temperature my son had turned the heating up to.
Isn't Hive quite expensive? How do you recoup the cost of it? I've never understood how it saves money.

[Santa Cruz]

Isn't Hive quite expensive? How do you recoup the cost of it? I've never understood how it saves money.

I'm going back 4 years I think, sure I paid about £14 a month. Seem to remember it was an offer so think I got the unit free. I think now because I have easy access and more control, I've prob saved back what I paid for the Hive.

Edit - meant £14 for 12 months, it was a pay in installments offer.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t pay any monthly subscription.

Initial thermostat and Wi-Fi router thing cost maybe £200. It’s a few years ago and I haven’t been on their site recently to check.

Radiator valves are around £55 each but there’s a usually an offer for 3 for 2 or 25% off each.

I save money simply by only using the radiators I need at the times I need.

Didn’t think it wound make a huge difference but to give you an idea my total combined usage for 2022 is 9500 kw hrs.

A few years ago it was around 19,000 and last year around 15,000.

I’m always comfortable in the house now and don’t really worry about the heating at all.

[grunt]

I save money simply by only using the radiators I need at the times I need.
Thanks. Makes sense. Not sure I need Hive to make that happen though.

[Hibbyradge]

https://youtu.be/MoreVwVLHt8

This is very good. The Cost of Living Christmas.

[Ozyhibby]

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[cameronw-hfc]

On a lighter note, Greta Thunberg absolutely rinsing Andrew Tate on Twitter, made me chuckle when I seen it

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1608056944501178368?t=mOgTiwGr8gP80FDWN00KuQ&s=19

[Jones28]

On a lighter note, Greta Thunberg absolutely rinsing Andrew Tate on Twitter, made me chuckle when I seen it

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1608056944501178368?t=mOgTiwGr8gP80FDWN00KuQ&s=19

That’s excellent. Anything to see that **** get roasted.

[The_Exile]

That’s excellent. Anything to see that **** get roasted.

There's not much makes me actually laugh out loud on twitter but that had me punching the air earlier, he got absolutely dismantled with one sentence. His response was pure comedy gold too, like something out the primary 2 playground.

[CropleyWasGod]

There's not much makes me actually laugh out loud on twitter but that had me punching the air earlier, he got absolutely dismantled with one sentence. His response was pure comedy gold too, like something out the primary 2 playground.

His response has led to his arrest:)

[Jones28]

Prick has been arrested along with his brother on human trafficking accusations!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who is he?

I’ve heard about him and the sort of pish he stands for/comes out with, but why is he famous? There’ll be thousands of people come out with the same stuff on Twitter etc.

Where’s his money from, what’s his job etc?

[Santa Cruz]

Who is he?

I’ve heard about him and the sort of pish he stands for/comes out with, but why is he famous? There’ll be thousands of people come out with the same stuff on Twitter etc.

Where’s his money from, what’s his job etc?

He is a nonentity as far as I'm concerned. His background explained here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star

[Paulie Walnuts]

He is a nonentity as far as I'm concerned. His background explained here.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star

What a bellend he sounds.

[CropleyWasGod]

Prick has been arrested along with his brother on human trafficking accusations!

...which happened because he left his pizza boxes in shot when he was calling out Thunberg, thereby alerting the Romanian police that he was in the country 🙄

[Ozyhibby]

...which happened because he left his pizza boxes in shot when he was calling out Thunberg, thereby alerting the Romanian police that he was in the country [emoji849]

Hilarious.[emoji23] Greta should be wearing a cape.


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[Mr Grieves]

...which happened because he left his pizza boxes in shot when he was calling out Thunberg, thereby alerting the Romanian police that he was in the country 🙄

What an absolute moron. It'd be hilarious if what he's been arrested for wasn't so serious.

[Glory Lurker]

People like him, the folk who back him, and the technological world we live in now that lets it happen, is why we are done for.

Too many easy reactionary options and not enough Gretas.

[Ozyhibby]

What an absolute moron. It'd be hilarious if what he's been arrested for wasn't so serious.

Him and Prince Andrew both seem to have been undone by pizza.


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[Santa Cruz]

...which happened because he left his pizza boxes in shot when he was calling out Thunberg, thereby alerting the Romanian police that he was in the country 🙄

Greta says....

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1608735970131849217?cxt=HHwWgsDR0ey1sNMsAAAA

[HH81]

Just don't let the companies estimate your bill. I was poorly over new year and they did just that.

Pretty much doubled the bill on same period from last year. Clowns.

I know when I give them readings it will fix itself but it's a joke they couldn't have gone off same usage as last year for same period October to December.

Jokers.

For context last year charged for 3 months £322 and this year est was £655. I'm still in credit as was over paying but they are taking the piss.

[Callum_62]

Just don't let the companies estimate your bill. I was poorly over new year and they did just that.

Pretty much doubled the bill on same period from last year. Clowns.

I know when I give them readings it will fix itself but it's a joke they couldn't have gone off same usage as last year for same period October to December.

Jokers.

For context last year charged for 3 months £322 and this year est was £655. I'm still in credit as was over paying but they are taking the piss.Haven't the cost of the units bascially tripled though?

Not sure on the rise from Dec 21 to Dec22 but it was significant

If they have estimated 2 x the usage then fair enough but have they?

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[James310]

Just don't let the companies estimate your bill. I was poorly over new year and they did just that.

Pretty much doubled the bill on same period from last year. Clowns.

I know when I give them readings it will fix itself but it's a joke they couldn't have gone off same usage as last year for same period October to December.

Jokers.

For context last year charged for 3 months £322 and this year est was £655. I'm still in credit as was over paying but they are taking the piss.

My bill in December was more than double my bill from the previous December. It's probably about right I hate to say.

[Santa Cruz]

My bill in December was more than double my bill from the previous December. It's probably about right I hate to say.

Same here. £130 in Dec 21. £250 in Dec 22.

[hibsbollah]

3.2million people disconnected last year because they ran out of credit on these prepayment meters. That’s more than half Scotland’s population. I had no idea it was anywhere near as many as that.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jan/11/call-to-end-forced-installation-of-uk-prepayment-meters-after-millions-suffer-without-power

[The_Exile]

3.2million people disconnected last year because they ran out of credit on these prepayment meters. That’s more than half Scotland’s population. I had no idea it was anywhere near as many as that.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jan/11/call-to-end-forced-installation-of-uk-prepayment-meters-after-millions-suffer-without-power

We are now living in a dystopian, totalitarian state. I can't believe we live in a country where people are disconnected because they're poor. It's beyond my comprehension that this is allowed to happen and it's just hearetbreaking, the sense of injustice just angers me. These will be the lowest paid, or folk on benefits with young kids, the disabled who need access to energy to live, who most need the warmth in the winter.

[Stairway 2 7]

When I read the headline I thought it meant they were permanently disconnected. It means over a million times people ran out of money on their meter.

It's still disgusting that people can be left with no heat or electricity. France I read had a better system, when the meter goes to zero they get enough power to power say the lights and heat food ect, and heat the home to a certain temperature.

It should really be a nationalised energy company and people who can't afford power should have it through their benefits as a given. People shouldn't have to choose whether they are warm enough to live.

Hopefully labour get in and we can set up a national power service, then Scotland can match. The Welsh/common weal plan I'd best though, so we can actually reap the profits from our renewable energy rather than giving them away

[Stairway 2 7]

From torygraph. If the government were happy to subsidise when they thought it would go to 4000. Surely now that they won't have to spend a penny subsidising, the can help out further

Energy bill forecasts have been cut for the second time in two weeks in a boost to households and the government.

The price cap is forecast to fall to £2,478 in July, Investec said, which is over £150 below an estimate made on January 4.

The cut comes as gas prices continue to tumble thanks to warmer than usual winter weather.

Investec now expects the price cap on energy bills to fall to £3,317 in April, then £2,478 in July and £2,546 in October.

That compares to previous forecasts of £3,458, £2,640 and £2,704. Gas prices have fallen thanks to mild weather.

It indicates that the price cap will fall below the £3,000 level from April of the government's £3,000 energy price guarantee - cutting the government's bill for state support.

However, bills are still set to be far higher than historic norms. In October 2021, the price cap was £1,277.

Prices have surged due to strains on gas supplies amid Russia's war on Ukraine

[Santa Cruz]

From torygraph. If the government were happy to subsidise when they thought it would go to 4000. Surely now that they won't have to spend a penny subsidising, the can help out further

Energy bill forecasts have been cut for the second time in two weeks in a boost to households and the government.

The price cap is forecast to fall to £2,478 in July, Investec said, which is over £150 below an estimate made on January 4.

The cut comes as gas prices continue to tumble thanks to warmer than usual winter weather.

Investec now expects the price cap on energy bills to fall to £3,317 in April, then £2,478 in July and £2,546 in October.

That compares to previous forecasts of £3,458, £2,640 and £2,704. Gas prices have fallen thanks to mild weather.

It indicates that the price cap will fall below the £3,000 level from April of the government's £3,000 energy price guarantee - cutting the government's bill for state support

However, bills are still set to be far higher than historic norms. In October 2021, the price cap was £1,277.

Prices have surged due to strains on gas supplies amid Russia's war on Ukraine

I don't understand this. If gas prices are tumbling, why would my gas bill be double the amount for the same period as last year. I hardly used my heating for most of Dec during the day. Is it the standing charge increase that is the cause of the increase in bills?