Energy crisis

[Kato]

The government has a duty to look after the people who they serve.

It’s an absolutely basic requirement. They are public servants and must do everything to protect people from the worst outcomes.

Anyone think this UK government will do that?

Riots by October/November I would bet.They are looking after the people they serve.

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[H18 SFR]

The government has a duty to look after the people who they serve.

It’s an absolutely basic requirement. They are public servants and must do everything to protect people from the worst outcomes.

Anyone think this UK government will do that?

Riots by October/November I would bet.

I don’t think there will be riots in this county over any cost of living crisis.

I don’t even think there will be any kind of orchestrated wide spread protest.

[Kato]

I don’t think there will be riots in this county over any cost of living crisis.

I don’t even think there will be any kind of orchestrated wide spread protest.....said people before the poll tax was introduced.

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[H18 SFR]

....said people before the poll tax was introduced.

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Before my time. Were there riot and/or protests?

[Kato]

Before my time. Were there riot and/or protests?All of that.

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[stu in nottingham]

That would be just after the major dumps, though, and those effects would disperse quite quickly thereafter, wouldn't they? I don't know how many folk regularly walk by rivers to notice what's going on in them. Perhaps not enough to overturn a landslide majority.

It's an interesting question. It might be more people than we think, I'm not sure.

I'd estimate that probably 75% of supporters every Nottingham Forest home game selling out at 30,000 each game walk alongside, past or over a large river (River Trent) which runs smack next to the stadium. Just one example. Major waterways run through many of our cities, towns and villages and their industry, homes and leisure facilities.

[hibsbollah]

Before my time. Were there riot and/or protests?

Ohhhh yeah. But it was actually when the middle class started joining in that the Tories abandoned the poll tax. Another example of how politics does actually take place out with the confines of general election success, and change can be won without relying on a cross in a box.

I think that’s the most annoying claim of the centrists I speak to, that if you’re not actually inside the doors of number ten then politics itself is pointless, so endless compromises inevitably must result to win this mythic Middle England around.

[neil7908]

The only reason I think they will do something is that pensioners will suffer the most, and won't benefit from tax reductions.

The Tories and their mates in the media don't mind poor young people or immigrants freezing in their homes but this crisis will hit the elderly as bad, if not worse.

Given they overwhelming vote Tory, there is no way Truss won't do something, purely on the basis that any other option is electoral suicide.

[Ozyhibby]

Ohhhh yeah. But it was actually when the middle class started joining in that the Tories abandoned the poll tax. Another example of how politics does actually take place out with the confines of general election success, and change can be won without relying on a cross in a box.

I think that’s the most annoying claim of the centrists I speak to, that if you’re not actually inside the doors of number ten then politics itself is pointless, so endless compromises inevitably must result to win this mythic Middle England around.

Protest in Scotland were totally ignored. It was only when there were protests in London did they take notice.


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[Kato]

Protest in Scotland were totally ignored. It was only when there were protests in London did they take notice.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere was protests in almost every English town and city. London was the big onw when the march turned into a full scale riot though.

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[hibsbollah]

There was protests in almost every English town and city. London was the big when the march turned into a full scale riot though.

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I have a friend who was there at the London protest and now teaches modern studies at an Edinburgh comprehensive. Poisoning the mind of todays youth I’m sure…

[Kato]

I have a friend who was there at the London protest and now teaches modern studies at an Edinburgh comprehensive. Poisoning the mind of todays youth I’m sure…My wife was at the London one. She said around there were "nice", middle class folks with baby buggies and the like. She said the look on their faces when the police drew their batons and started towards them was priceless. They obviously had never thought UK police would act that way, which is how they act whenever there is a large demo.

https://youtu.be/IeFS6S06w8c

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[stu in nottingham]

I don’t think there will be riots in this county over any cost of living crisis.

I don’t even think there will be any kind of orchestrated wide spread protest.

For different reasons there were major riots in 2011 over a man who was shot dead by police. Completely different situation but it demonstates the potential for civil disobedience. The London Riots spread to many cities up and down the country. It wasn't necessarily an orchestrated widespread protest but it was nevertheless widespread. That was more due to copycat rioting in different cities and towns. Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leicester, Derby, Nottingham and Wolverhampton were just some of the cities where it occured. In Nottingham a main police station came under sustained attack by petrol bombs and was set alight. Around 150 were arrested and evidence came out that it was indeed a planned and co-ordinated operation which people were recruited for. A college was firebombed and protesters hurled missiles at the police from rooftops. Cars were set alight in the streets, shop windows smashed and looted.

Having lived through such rioting in two different eras I don't underestimate the chances of that happening again. It just needs to be ignited then it can indeed spread like wildfire, literally. If the government don't change tack I would be surprised if those times were not repeated.

[Pretty Boy]

For different reasons there were major riots in 2011 over a man who was shot dead by police. Completely different situation but it demonstates the potential for civil disobedience. The London Riots spread to many cities up and down the country. It wasn't necessarily an orchestrated widespread protest but it was nevertheless widespread. That was more due to copycat rioting in different cities and towns. Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leicester, Derby, Nottingham and Wolverhampton were just some of the cities where it occured. In Nottingham a main police station came under sustained attack by petrol bombs and was set alight. Around 150 were arrested and evidence came out that it was indeed a planned and co-ordinated operation which people were recruited for. A college was firebombed and protesters hurled missiles at the police from rooftops. Cars were set alight in the streets, shop windows smashed and looted.

Having lived through such rioting in two different eras I don't underestimate the chances of that happening again. It just needs to be ignited then it can indeed spread like wildfire, literally. If the government don't change tack I would be surprised if those times were not repeated.

There is a bit of a myth that the younger generations today are less inclined to protest than those who have gone before but the evidence doesn't really support that claim.

It's also the case in this instance that any disobedience won't be about an issue that primarily impacts younger people (see the tuition fees protest as an example). This is multi generational and it's a prime opportunity for those who look back with pride on their own activism in the past to help lead the charge again.

I see no reason why there won't be action taken. A majority of people didn't vote for this government and a sizable number of them will be willing to make their voices heard in various ways.

[lapsedhibee]

I'd estimate that probably 75% of supporters every Nottingham Forest home game selling out at 30,000 each game walk alongside, past or over a large river (River Trent) which runs smack next to the stadium.

That's a lot of people but it's a journey they make once a fortnight for only part of the year. Not sure that in times of regular rainfall they would be aware of sewage dumping unless it roughly coincided with a matchday. Water of Leith runs through centre of Edinburgh but there will be many people (like me) who never see it unless they specifically visit. Just think it might be better if the whole nation could see pictures of dead fish floating on the top of waterways every night on the tellybox, instead of Liz Truss spraffing sewage there.

[stu in nottingham]

There is a bit of a myth that the younger generations today are less inclined to protest than those who have gone before but the evidence doesn't really support that claim.

It's also the case in this instance that any disobedience won't be about an issue that primarily impacts younger people (see the tuition fees protest as an example). This is multi generational and it's a prime opportunity for those who look back with pride on their own activism in the past to help lead the charge again.

I see no reason why there won't be action taken. A majority of people didn't vote for this government and a sizable number of them will be willing to make their voices heard in various ways.

I completely agree about the myth of young people being less inclined to protest. Certainly, the riots here were lead by young people, no question. I think there is an image of students of the 1960s and 1970s with placards on various protest walks. This is very different and one could argue that young people have more reason to be outraged than many in these times, considering the difficulties in finding full employment, i.e. not zero hours jobs and affording a decent home to live in. Yes, of course these issues affect all age groups to some extent but it must seem increasingly bleak for those with most of their lives in front of them and I feel for them.

[Moulin Yarns]

Maybe if we ALL refused to pay 😡😡😡that’s the only way

Well after today's announcement from the Bank of England, there is something very very very wrong in the system...

So... let me get this straight:

* British Gas made a profit of £1.3bn between January & June
* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone
* Shell has profited by £9.4bn in a year

The MEN at the top:
* John Pettigrew, boss of National Grid received £6.5m bonus on top of his salary
* Chris O’Shea, chief executive of British Gas owner Centrica was paid almost £2m last year in salary and benefits
* Centrica's non-executive directors were paid almost £1m
* Scottish Power's CEO Keith Anderson is on £1.15m.
* E.On boss Michael Lewis is on £1m
* EDF's Simone Rossi is also on £1m
* And their top execs enjoyed a share of £4.65m
* Peter Simpson of Anglian Water earned a £1.3m pay package
* Welsh Water bosses awarded themselves bonuses of over £930,000
* Severn Trent bosses awarded themselves bonuses of £5.56m

* Thames Water's Sarah Bentley, received a £727,000 bonus on top of her £2m annual salary

Meanwhile there are...

* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!

All this and energy prices are set to rise up to 75% in October...

THIS IS MADNESS!.. I'm all for supporting profits ..I'm not for supporting greed at the cost of lives of others.

Something needs to change.

Why is customers' money being used to make life more comfortable for those who are making life more intolerable for the rest of us?
I actually don't understand how the energy companies are allowed to get away with this and why the government aren't stopping them instead of handing out money.....

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[hibsbollah]

Maybe if we ALL refused to pay 😡😡😡that’s the only way

Well after today's announcement from the Bank of England, there is something very very very wrong in the system...

So... let me get this straight:

* British Gas made a profit of £1.3bn between January & June
* BP announced profits of £6.95 billion between April and June alone
* Shell has profited by £9.4bn in a year

The MEN at the top:
* John Pettigrew, boss of National Grid received £6.5m bonus on top of his salary
* Chris O’Shea, chief executive of British Gas owner Centrica was paid almost £2m last year in salary and benefits
* Centrica's non-executive directors were paid almost £1m
* Scottish Power's CEO Keith Anderson is on £1.15m.
* E.On boss Michael Lewis is on £1m
* EDF's Simone Rossi is also on £1m
* And their top execs enjoyed a share of £4.65m
* Peter Simpson of Anglian Water earned a £1.3m pay package
* Welsh Water bosses awarded themselves bonuses of over £930,000
* Severn Trent bosses awarded themselves bonuses of £5.56m

* Thames Water's Sarah Bentley, received a £727,000 bonus on top of her £2m annual salary

Meanwhile there are...

* People who haven't had breakfast and/or lunch TODAY, because they can't afford it.
* People using FoodBanks because food is becoming more of a luxury than a necessity.
* Children celebrating a birthday without presents.
* Parents worrying about new school uniforms - and some schools enforcing rules which are not cost-effective.
* People who can't get to work because they can't afford to put petrol in their cars/pay for public transport anymore.
* People who are working so much they're making themselves ill, and they STILL CAN'T AFFORD to pay their bills.
* People who have been given fines by these same energy/water companies because they couldn't afford to pay their bills in the first place - increasing their debt.
* Customers being told to do STAR JUMPS TO KEEP WARM for crying out loud!
* Hose pipe bans when gallons of water leak away everyday.
* Elderly people NOT DRINKING because they're worried about running out of water!!!

All this and energy prices are set to rise up to 75% in October...

THIS IS MADNESS!.. I'm all for supporting profits ..I'm not for supporting greed at the cost of lives of others.

Something needs to change.

Why is customers' money being used to make life more comfortable for those who are making life more intolerable for the rest of us?
I actually don't understand how the energy companies are allowed to get away with this and why the government aren't stopping them instead of handing out money.....

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If you feel that way, join the campaign. Post #698. I won't keep spamming the link.

[stu in nottingham]

That's a lot of people but it's a journey they make once a fortnight for only part of the year. Not sure that in times of regular rainfall they would be aware of sewage dumping unless it roughly coincided with a matchday. Water of Leith runs through centre of Edinburgh but there will be many people (like me) who never see it unless they specifically visit. Just think it might be better if the whole nation could see pictures of dead fish floating on the top of waterways every night on the tellybox, instead of Liz Truss spraffing sewage there.

Certainly agree with your latter point there. I think the river here has a significant footfall though and it is also many times larger than Water of Leith, nor partly obscured like its Edinburgh counterpart. A series of canals and smaller rivers in this city have comparible useage and size to the Water of Leith. It is a major landmark and one that thousands of people encounter or negotiate every single day. By scale, it's like the Thames is to London. It used to be a very dirty river and was notorious as such but years ago was majorly cleaned up. I do tend to think people would notice should it revert.

Anyway, let's hope it doesn't take take for those dead fish for something to be done.

[Stairway 2 7]

If you feel that way, join the campaign. Post #698. I won't keep spamming the link.

Don't have to answer, but are you thinking of not paying. I like the idea but I'm sure they will just bump it onto the next bills and inflate the problem

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/north/sse-slashes-thousands-of-pounds-off-aberdeen-family-takeaways-gas-and-electricity-bills

Seems like the bills were based on estimated usage. I will always try to submit regular readings.

[hibsbollah]

Don't have to answer, but are you thinking of not paying. I like the idea but I'm sure they will just bump it onto the next bills and inflate the problem

Whether or not my money ends up changing hands and bills get paid, signing up now means more pressure is exerted on the Government via the energy companies to do something BEFORE we get to that stage. But because these cliff edge increases are based on a mixture of graft and corruption which is filling the pockets of the top 1%, morally I see no grounds for paying an extra £5000 a year for receiving the same product.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/quentinbudworth/status/1557230874051182592?s=21&t=9kpFbpbjgR0bGF4WndT3cA

Wish we were in the EU. Look how much cheaper our gas would be. Will be a great selling point in indyref 2.


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[grunt]

Wish we were in the EU.
Me too.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/quentinbudworth/status/1557230874051182592?s=21&t=9kpFbpbjgR0bGF4WndT3cA

Wish we were in the EU. Look how much cheaper our gas would be. Will be a great selling point in indyref 2.


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Leaving the EU was outright stupidity and I can’t believe people didn’t have the brains to see that.

[Col2]

Leaving the EU was outright stupidity and I can’t believe people didn’t have the brains to see that.

Agreed but I do think people were conned. The leave campaign was based on one of the biggest cons in our history.

I do have some sympathy for those that voted leave for what they felt were good reasons. However any person on this planet who still stands by leaving the EU as being a successful decision should be locked away.

[Lendo]

I hope Hibs have those solar panels plugged in and hooked up to the grid. Could be generating a fortune for the club in this weather

[Ozyhibby]

I hope Hibs have those solar panels plugged in and hooked up to the grid. Could be generating a fortune for the club in this weather

I’m due to move house soon and I’m giving serious thought to investing in them for my new house.


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[Since90+2]

I had solar panels in my old house. They generated about £300 a year.

[Moulin Yarns]

Business Green: the Climate Change Committee's most recent analysis suggested the net economic impact of delivering the UK's net zero goals has been reversed from a 0.5 per cent loss of GDP to a 0.5 per cent gain, almost entirely as a result of higher fossil fuel prices

Business Green : As the Conservative's Chris Skidmore noted again today, if the government had not previously cut energy efficiency programmes and blocked onshore wind development, energy bills would now be lower.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/gordon-brown-says-energy-firms-unable-to-offer-lower-bills-should-be-temporarily-re-nationalised?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660159619

Finally. Where the **** is Starmer though.
The SG should back this call.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/gordon-brown-says-energy-firms-unable-to-offer-lower-bills-should-be-temporarily-re-nationalised?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660159619

Finally. Where the **** is Starmer though.
The SG should back this call.


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If lib dems, greens or snp back this it would be a huge red face for Starmer. He'd surely have to say something as leader of the opposition

[Pretty Boy]

If lib dems, greens or snp back this it would be a huge red face for Starmer. He'd surely have to say something as leader of the opposition

The leader of the opposition is to all intents and purposes Gordon Brown at the moment.

Boris Johnson has put more pressure on his successor to deal with this than Starmer has. A so called leader of the opposition who seems determined not to oppose.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62494406


Thieving *******s!!!

[Hibrandenburg]

Agreed but I do think people were conned. The leave campaign was based on one of the biggest cons in our history.

I do have some sympathy for those that voted leave for what they felt were good reasons. However any person on this planet who still stands by leaving the EU as being a successful decision should be locked away.

There's still enough believe that leaving the EU was necessary and who are too proud to say otherwise, even when the evidence is piling up in front of them. Yes they were conned, but like most cons it only worked because they were being told what they wanted to hear.

[Hibby Bairn]

Starmer's on holiday, I think.

[hibsbollah]

Starmer's on holiday, I think.

He's up here, actually, being interviewed by Ian Dale in front of an audience at the fringe tomorrow. Rayner also here, studiously keeping out of Jeremy Corbyn's way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There's still enough believe that leaving the EU was necessary and who are too proud to say otherwise, even when the evidence is piling up in front of them. Yes they were conned, but like most cons it only worked because they were being told what they wanted to hear.

Yup.

Whilst there may have been an element of people being ‘conned’ I don’t think that can be considered the case for the vast majority of people who voted to leave. The vast majority made an absolutely ludicrous decision. A small minority were conned imo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bojo has doubled down on the idea it’s not his job to help reduce energy price and the next PM can do it.

Honestly, can someone not just take this guy out?

[grunt]

Comparison of energy prices and levels of Government support

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1557737952293568512?s=20&t=klzYrxnrBS6IwwONZCAMgQ

[greenlex]

Yup.

Whilst there may have been an element of people being ‘conned’ I don’t think that can be considered the case for the vast majority of people who voted to leave. The vast majority made an absolutely ludicrous decision. A small minority were conned imo.
Of course they’ve been conned. People make decisions on “evidence” put in front of them. You think they’ve came to the conclusion that the UK would be better off out of the EU by their own volition? Think of all the bull**** that was bandied about in the run up to the referendum and the slow burning crap for years, A referendum that was granted to appease a minority of right wing leaning Tories by a PM with one foot out the door. Months for absolute bull**** fed to a UK public with very little will of the opposite side who presumably thought the good old UK public couldn’t be so stupid. Voila.we walked sleepily into the position we find ourselves. The very definition of being conned. Check out the right wing press. They are still giving it EU bad headlines despite evidence to the contrary.

[Jones28]

Yup.

Whilst there may have been an element of people being ‘conned’ I don’t think that can be considered the case for the vast majority of people who voted to leave. The vast majority made an absolutely ludicrous decision. A small minority were conned imo.

A lot of these people voted leave because of the years of drip feeding, followed by a few years of hard campaigning, lies and deceit. If they’ve been lied to and voted leave off the back of that they have been conned.

The only ones who voted fully knowing what they were voting for are the people that perpetuated the lies, because they didn’t care about the consequences as it wouldn’t affect them.

Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned - a James O’Brienism.

[Just Alf]

A lot of these people voted leave because of the years of drip feeding, followed by a few years of hard campaigning, lies and deceit. If they’ve been lied to and voted leave off the back of that they have been conned.

The only ones who voted fully knowing what they were voting for are the people that perpetuated the lies, because they didn’t care about the consequences as it wouldn’t affect them.

Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned - a James O’Brienism.I'd agree with the compassion for the conned bit if there wasn't so many that seem to double down on it, refusing to change their stance for some reason even after acknowledging a lot of what they voted for was at best, erroneous information.

Edit... on the Erroneous bit... surely big fat emergency lights and sirens should have been going off in their minds when the MI6/5 or whatever identified Russian funding of online campaigns spouting a lot of the pro leave stuff that turned out to be lies? ... then again when Boris Johnson early in his PM stint refused to allow further investigation or a full disclosure of what was found these lights should have been flashing again.

Really not sure what will make the public at large (mostly tory?) Wake up and notice they're sitting in a pan of cold, now warm water that's quickly heading towards a boil... what will it take?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1557770738878357504?s=21&t=jrHPuFCq4-6kZPI9a0zERQ

Good to see at least the Scottish Govt cares about us. Shame there is not much they can do.


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[Hibrandenburg]

A lot of these people voted leave because of the years of drip feeding, followed by a few years of hard campaigning, lies and deceit. If they’ve been lied to and voted leave off the back of that they have been conned.

The only ones who voted fully knowing what they were voting for are the people that perpetuated the lies, because they didn’t care about the consequences as it wouldn’t affect them.

Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned - a James O’Brienism.

Add to that the team carrying out the con, they've raked in billions for themselves and their mates now that they're completely free of EU scrutiny and tax laws. The caaaaching from the huge profits from the so called "Energy Crisis" are just the tip of the iceberg. You could make an Ocean's 11 type film from the whole sting.

[lapsedhibee]

A lot of these people voted leave because of the years of drip feeding, followed by a few years of hard campaigning, lies and deceit. If they’ve been lied to and voted leave off the back of that they have been conned.

The only ones who voted fully knowing what they were voting for are the people that perpetuated the lies, because they didn’t care about the consequences as it wouldn’t affect them.

Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned - a James O’Brienism.

*cough* tax havens *cough* They very much cared.

[Jones28]

I'd agree with the compassion for the conned bit if there wasn't so many that seem to double down on it, refusing to change their stance for some reason even after acknowledging a lot of what they voted for was at best, erroneous information.

Edit... on the Erroneous bit... surely big fat emergency lights and sirens should have been going off in their minds when the MI6/5 or whatever identified Russian funding of online campaigns spouting a lot of the pro leave stuff that turned out to be lies? ... then again when Boris Johnson early in his PM stint refused to allow further investigation or a full disclosure of what was found these lights should have been flashing again.

Really not sure what will make the public at large (mostly tory?) Wake up and notice they're sitting in a pan of cold, now warm water that's quickly heading towards a boil... what will it take?

Yeah totally agree with all that, and I do actually feel that that particular phrase is now getting very tired. I don’t think inferring that people who voted Brexit are stupid and ignorant helps the argument.

[Jones28]

*cough* tax havens *cough* They very much cared.

They cared yes, but they were also doing alright out of the status quo.

[Jones28]

Add to that the team carrying out the con, they've raked in billions for themselves and their mates now that they're completely free of EU scrutiny and tax laws. The caaaaching from the huge profits from the so called "Energy Crisis" are just the tip of the iceberg. You could make an Ocean's 11 type film from the whole sting.

Yepp.

This period in our history is going to look very very silly.

[Kato]

*cough* tax havens *cough* They very much cared.Charter Cities too, which are mainland tax havens without all those bothersome UK tax laws and workers rights.

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[Kato]

Yepp.

This period in our history is going to look very very silly.Usually looking back a theme will emerge. A main one will obviously be how Russian money and Russian interference pole-axed the UKs place on world stage and turned the USA in on itself. The emergence of social media is huge theme too. Technological advances in communications always lead to wars once the propaganda makers master them.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is also at least a mention of the industrial levels of cocoaine and meth being consumed.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Of course they’ve been conned. People make decisions on “evidence” put in front of them. You think they’ve came to the conclusion that the UK would be better off out of the EU by their own volition? Think of all the bull**** that was bandied about in the run up to the referendum and the slow burning crap for years, A referendum that was granted to appease a minority of right wing leaning Tories by a PM with one foot out the door. Months for absolute bull**** fed to a UK public with very little will of the opposite side who presumably thought the good old UK public couldn’t be so stupid. Voila.we walked sleepily into the position we find ourselves. The very definition of being conned. Check out the right wing press. They are still giving it EU bad headlines despite evidence to the contrary.

Ok, they may well have been conned. But they were conned far too easily imo to the point it’s ridiculous anyone bought into it.

A bit like saying I told someone Hibs are the best team in the world and they put their life savings on us to beat Man City and that they’d been conned by me thinking we were unbeatable.

Brexit was a ludicrous idea and anyone with half a brain/wasn’t a racist knew that.

[He's here!]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/gordon-brown-says-energy-firms-unable-to-offer-lower-bills-should-be-temporarily-re-nationalised?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1660159619

Finally. Where the **** is Starmer though.
The SG should back this call.


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Brown remains the grown-up of UK politics. Brilliant bloke.

[Moulin Yarns]

Brown remains the grown-up of UK politics. Brilliant bloke.

🙄


The same gordon brown who is a total non entity in the current political jungle!

[He's here!]

The only reason I think they will do something is that pensioners will suffer the most, and won't benefit from tax reductions.

The Tories and their mates in the media don't mind poor young people or immigrants freezing in their homes but this crisis will hit the elderly as bad, if not worse.

Given they overwhelming vote Tory, there is no way Truss won't do something, purely on the basis that any other option is electoral suicide.

Or are the elderly made of more stoic stuff?:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-death-of-saving?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND%20%2020220811%20%20House%20Ads%2 0%20IH+CID_0d691dfd572654f653fb570fefa41dcb

[He's here!]

🙄


The same gordon brown who is a total non entity in the current political jungle!

Nonsense. Seems to me he's effectively leading Labour while Starmer's on holiday - and garnering more positivity in a couple of days than Starmer has done in a couple of years.

[hibsbollah]

Or are the elderly made of more stoic stuff?:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-death-of-saving?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND%20%2020220811%20%20House%20Ads%2 0%20IH+CID_0d691dfd572654f653fb570fefa41dcb

‘Stoicism’ isn’t going to magic money out of nowhere. In fact, your post is borderline offensive.

[grunt]

Or are the elderly made of more stoic stuff?:



Please give notice the next time you post a link to an article from Rod Liddle. I have no interest in reading anything that misogynist racist wife beating creep has to say.

[grunt]

Here's something more on the ball about the governments lack of action over the energy crisis.

https://twitter.com/the_tuc/status/1557354252745510912?s=21&t=sOawZ0VbKrntJIN-obxbZQ

[Hibernia&Alba]

Please give notice the next time you post a link to an article from Rod Liddle. I have no interest in reading anything that misogynist racist wife beating creep has to say.

A truly horrible man.

[Stairway 2 7]

Madness to put all the eggs in the Russian basket, even after crimea. 💰

https://www.ft.com/content/ca215782-a3ba-4a85-997d-197769275a50?shareType=nongift

Germany must cut gas use by 20% to avoid winter rationing, regulator says

[Jones28]

Have any of these ***** come out with anything potentially helpful yet? Apart from the one that doesn’t actually have any power yet?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Have any of these ***** come out with anything potentially helpful yet? Apart from the one that doesn’t actually have any power yet?

BoJo is on his holidays working his notice. Must be using up his annual leave. Basically says he’s not going to do any more work as it’s not his problem anymore.

[Stairway 2 7]

Uk is for the first time a net exporter of energy, not that it will help us

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/britain-becomes-net-exporter-of-electricity-for-first-time-as-power-prices-in-europe-remain-volatile

[Kato]

Uk is for the first time a net exporter of energy, not that it will help us

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/britain-becomes-net-exporter-of-electricity-for-first-time-as-power-prices-in-europe-remain-volatileIt's not the UK though is it, its privately owned companies whose shareholders live anywhere.

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[Stairway 2 7]

It's not the UK though is it, its privately owned companies whose shareholders live anywhere.

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It's a disgrace that we sold the rights to nuclear and oil and gas exploration. Scotland and England are going it again giving away the renewable rights for a pittance.

There isn't that much money in distribution, hence so many going burst ladt year. Its the creating it, where the obscene sums are

[grunt]

There isn't that much money in distribution, hence so many going burst ladt year. Its the creating it, where the obscene sums are
It wasn't the distributors who were going bust, it was the suppliers.

[Stairway 2 7]

It wasn't the distributors who were going bust, it was the suppliers.

Sorry that's what I mean, the profit margin on supply isn't that good. It's the companies generating the power that have a license to print money. We gave them that freedom and were still doing it each year

[Stairway 2 7]

Things can only get, worse

David Sheppard
@OilSheppard
The gas crisis - already screamingly bad - is getting worse

Prices in Europe and UK on course to close at fresh record levels today

These are gas prices in barrel of oil equivalent - remember, oil has never in history topped $150

Europe = $420/bbl
UK = $324/bbl
US = $51.50/bbl

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/-are-there-any-cheap--fixed-energy-deals-currently-worth-it--/#tool

A handy calculator here to see if you should move on to a fixed rate.

I’ve just moved on to one as it’s 74% above my current rate. They reckon if you can get a fixed rate 95% or lower above your current rate you should probably take it.

[Callum_62]

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/-are-there-any-cheap--fixed-energy-deals-currently-worth-it--/#tool

A handy calculator here to see if you should move on to a fixed rate.

I’ve just moved on to one as it’s 74% above my current rate. They reckon if you can get a fixed rate 95% or lower above your current rate you should probably take it.It looks like Octopus arnt offering any fixed tarrifs at the moment

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Things can only get, worse

David Sheppard
@OilSheppard
The gas crisis - already screamingly bad - is getting worse

Prices in Europe and UK on course to close at fresh record levels today

These are gas prices in barrel of oil equivalent - remember, oil has never in history topped $150

Europe = $420/bbl
UK = $324/bbl
US = $51.50/bbl

Frightening.

Yet, on the oil side the price of Brent Crude is down to around $92 dollars a barrel - lower now than the average of $97 a barrel in February. Petrol and diesel prices in Feb were around 146p and 150p /l respectively, and that was before the 5p fuel duty cut.

I know the pound has weakened a bit against the dollar since then, but we are still being totally fleeced at the pumps.

[Stairway 2 7]

Could be a great purchase by the club adding solar panels

https://inews.co.uk/news/home-solar-panels-pay-themselves-four-years-energy-bills-1796274

Home solar panels will now pay for themselves in just four years as energy bills soar

[Hibernian Verse]

Home Energy Scotland are offering interest free loans up to 11k over 12 years for Solar & Battery installs.

I'm getting mine done and work in Electrical Wholesale if anyone has any questions feel free to PM me.

[Helensburghhibs]

Home Energy Scotland are offering interest free loans up to 11k over 12 years for Solar & Battery installs.

I'm getting mine done and work in Electrical Wholesale if anyone has any questions feel free to PM me.

I've been considering doing thid

[Hibernian Verse]

I've been considering doing thid

If you're going to get solar make sure you get it installed with battery storage to maximise the capability of your system. I can give you some guidance if required.

[GlesgaeHibby]

If you're going to get solar make sure you get it installed with battery storage to maximise the capability of your system. I can give you some guidance if required.

Has the price of domestic battery storage dropped to a reasonable level yet to make it worthwhile?

[SHODAN]

To clarify, do solar panels:

1. Generate energy directly for your home, bypassing the energy provider entirely until the energy generated runs out
2. Go straight to the energy provider who "buy" it from you (i.e. at nowhere near the actual ****ing rate they sell it) and give you a tiny wee discount?
If normally 2, is there any (legal) way to install the panels in such a way so that you get 1 instead?

[Stairway 2 7]

First we gave away most of our oil and gas profits and now were doing it with renewables.

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1559973397119045632

George Eaton
@georgeeaton
A remarkable stat: “Around 50% of UK offshore wind is publicly owned right now, but only 0.07% of it is publicly owned by the UK.” (Via
@We_OwnIt
)

[Ozyhibby]

To clarify, do solar panels:

1. Generate energy directly for your home, bypassing the energy provider entirely until the energy generated runs out
2. Go straight to the energy provider who "buy" it from you (i.e. at nowhere near the actual ****ing rate they sell it) and give you a tiny wee discount?
If normally 2, is there any (legal) way to install the panels in such a way so that you get 1 instead?


1. Is the answer. The surplus gets sold to the grid but you are better getting batteries and using it yourself.


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[Kato]

First we gave away most of our oil and gas profits and now were doing it with renewables.

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1559973397119045632

George Eaton
@georgeeaton
A remarkable stat: “Around 50% of UK offshore wind is publicly owned right now, but only 0.07% of it is publicly owned by the UK.” (Via
@We_OwnIt
)Just goes to show the sell off of our infrastructure since the 80's was just plain theft. They belonged to all of us. Even The Ridley Plan had the suggestion that when they were sold off the shares should be distributed amongst they entire population, an idea which Thatcher quickly knocked on the head.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Just goes to show the sell off of our infrastructure since the 80's was just plain theft. They belonged to all of us. Even The Ridley Plan had the suggestion that when they were sold off the shares should be distributed amongst they entire population, an idea which Thatcher quickly knocked on the head.

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It's the fact that it's still happening. The renewable sell off has been in the last few decades. Scot gov just this year gave the rights to massive amounts of our sea beds to companies like shell and bp. Other companies profiting of our wind and waves is as poor as the plunder of our oil

[Moulin Yarns]

It's the fact that it's still happening. The renewable sell off has been in the last few decades. Scot gov just this year gave the rights to massive amounts of our sea beds to companies like shell and bp. Other companies profiting of our wind and waves is as poor as the plunder of our oil

https://www.crownestatescotland.com/our-projects/scotwind

Do you understand the difference between lease and sell?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.crownestatescotland.com/our-projects/scotwind

Do you understand the difference between lease and sell?

Yes it's pretty obvious? We have leased our sea bed and land and will be lining the pockets of BP and others instead of the people.

[stoneyburn hibs]

If you're going to get solar make sure you get it installed with battery storage to maximise the capability of your system. I can give you some guidance if required.

Seriously considering this, I'd be grateful for more information.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/paullewismoney/status/1560134340629102597

@paullewismoney
Director of
@ofgem
resigns over board decision to make customers pay another £400 on the October price cap to subsidise the costs of energy firms https://bit.ly/3AtsHxD board warned her that without it only two suppliers might survive

Ofgem says “we always prioritise consumers' needs both in the immediate and long term” and warned that if more firms went bust that would “heap yet more costs on to bills and add unnecessary worry and concern at an already very difficult time.”

[Hibernian Verse]

Seriously considering this, I'd be grateful for more information.

Best place to start is to call Home Energy Scotland 0808 808 2282 and tell them you're interested in the Solar & Battery Storage loan. They'll run you through everything you need and are really informative. Once you've done that I can point you in the right direction if you need a bit of guidance on systems etc.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1560234173436203011

@zarahsultana
45 million people are set to be in fuel poverty in Britain by the end of the year. That's two-thirds of all families.

Today on
@GMB
I outlined the demands of Enough is Enough (
@eiecampaign
) that would avert this social calamity

[stoneyburn hibs]

Best place to start is to call Home Energy Scotland 0808 808 2282 and tell them you're interested in the Solar & Battery Storage loan. They'll run you through everything you need and are really informative. Once you've done that I can point you in the right direction if you need a bit of guidance on systems etc.

Thanks, got that number from their website that I'm looking at just now.

[Colr]

Worth catching up with this week’s You and Yours on Radio 4 which touched on the energy crisis with some good advice.

If you’ve got a comby boiler (not one with a hot water cyclinder, though), you can turn down the radiator and hot water flow temperatures which will be more efficient.

They recommended an app called Loop which reads your smart meter but I’m buggered if I can find the meter number to get it to work.

[Stairway 2 7]

Looking like rationing might be inevitable in Germany this winter. Although these prices will effect us all
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrismbryant/status/1560477272875958272
@chrismbryant
Another shocking week in European energy markets. This chart explains why there's now a discussion in Germany about only allowing the heating of individual rooms this winter. Grim
From the Uniper conference call: "According to the recent statements by the German regulator, households will be also required to save at least 20% in order to stabilize the system... Discussed measures include regulations that would only permit the heating of individual rooms."

[hibsbollah]

Looking like rationing might be inevitable in Germany this winter. Although these prices will effect us all
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrismbryant/status/1560477272875958272
@chrismbryant
Another shocking week in European energy markets. This chart explains why there's now a discussion in Germany about only allowing the heating of individual rooms this winter. Grim
From the Uniper conference call: "According to the recent statements by the German regulator, households will be also required to save at least 20% in order to stabilize the system... Discussed measures include regulations that would only permit the heating of individual rooms."

We’ve talked about this in my family. And it’s not a new idea, I remember my mother saying they used to spend most of their time together in one room over the winter, where there was one fire on. The problem is people are conditioned these days to spend more time on their own on their devices even in a family environment and that requires change. And if you’re sharing a flat with others not always an option. Im going to be telling my kids to not put the heating on if you’re cold but put on an extra layer of clothes on instead. I’m not going to be popular.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We’ve talked about this in my family. And it’s not a new idea, I remember my mother saying they used to spend most of their time together in one room over the winter, where there was one fire on. The problem is people are conditioned these days to spend more time on their own on their devices even in a family environment and that requires change. And if you’re sharing a flat with others not always an option. Im going to be telling my kids to not put the heating on if you’re cold but put on an extra layer of clothes on instead. I’m not going to be popular.

Two years ago I used to have a rule that if I couldn’t walk about my house as if I was at the beach then the heating was going on :greengrin

This year it’s almost going to be polar opposite. I’ll not be putting the heating on until my house drops to about 14 degrees and even then it’ll just be to bring it back up to 15 or 16 and it’ll only be in the living room.

[hibsbollah]

Two years ago I used to have a rule that if I couldn’t walk about my house as if I was at the beach then the heating was going on :greengrin

This year it’s almost going to be polar opposite. I’ll not be putting the heating on until my house drops to about 14 degrees and even then it’ll just be to bring it back up to 15 or 16 and it’ll only be in the living room.

Bollah to recalcitrant teenager; when you get home into the house, get your baffies on. If you go to that thermostat I will batter you with a broken bottle. If you’re cold, put on a wool beanie on your head, or get into bed with a hot water bottle.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's brutal that in Britain these ideas aren't getting talked about by the state. We should have campaigns on how to save energy safely. Most will have to do it anyway due to the crippling prices, but the government are silent

[lapsedhibee]

Two years ago I used to have a rule that if I couldn’t walk about my house as if I was at the beach then the heating was going on :greengrin

This year it’s almost going to be polar opposite. I’ll not be putting the heating on until my house drops to about 14 degrees and even then it’ll just be to bring it back up to 15 or 16 and it’ll only be in the living room.


Bollah to recalcitrant teenager; when you get home into the house, get your baffies on. If you go to that thermostat I will batter you with a broken bottle. If you’re cold, put on a wool beanie on your head, or get into bed with a hot water bottle.

:agree: About to enter an era of unprecedented belt-loosening, to cope with all the extra pairs of trousers, long johns, jumpers etc that will be needed.
Mr Blobby and the Michelin Man set to become become fashion icons for the next decade.

[Sergio sledge]

We're going to have all the kids in dressing gowns and a basket of blankets next to the sofa so that we can keep the thermostat a bit lower this winter.

[Callum_62]

Has the budget for the grants etc been finalised for 2022/23?

I can't see anything related to the grans and cashback for heatpunos etc that are current?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1561312591531675648?s=21&t=HauLrau5h9lYT6-3NeYpUA

Good to see SG saying nationalising the energy companies should be on the table.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/nicola-sturgeon-warns-energy-price-cap-rise-will-push-families-into-destitution


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1561312591531675648?s=21&t=HauLrau5h9lYT6-3NeYpUA

Good to see SG saying nationalising the energy companies should be on the table.


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I don't think there is that much profit in the ones selling energy. We need to nationalise the companies extracting it.

Although looks like EDF in France are going to make a 20 odd billion loss in the next year, so while i agree with nationalisation its not without risks
https://www.ft.com/content/993bbbda-e74a-4f32-9479-019d6c3f5f6a

[Jones28]

Electric blankets are a fantastic investment if you haven’t already got one.

[Stairway 2 7]

Solar power banks are a good idea for charging phones. Can get the ones to go on your backpack if you do a lot of walking or camping ect

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.ft.com/content/9dca1930-7d99-49c7-b2fb-3e35b3b35615

The energy bills emergency has barely begun
Millions of British households are already on the brink — and the months-long squeeze is only just starting
JOHN BURN-MURDOCH

[LewysGot2]

How long before businesses go to the wall and public buildings shorten the hours people are in them?

Councils and businesses don't have caps on their energy bills iirc. They won't be able to afford them.

[Stairway 2 7]

How long before businesses go to the wall and public buildings shorten the hours people are in them?

Councils and businesses don't have caps on their energy bills iirc. They won't be able to afford them.

Lots will close because of this it's expected
https://www.ft.com/content/58a5e7ae-47d1-4360-8857-25ec6df5e4ca

[Killiehibbie]

How long before businesses go to the wall and public buildings shorten the hours people are in them?

Councils and businesses don't have caps on their energy bills iirc. They won't be able to afford them.

It's already started. I've heard of a couple closing down due to electricity bills being the final straw. 10 grand up to 25 for one of them.

[LewysGot2]

How will schools and hospitals and other public buildings afford these hikes?
Back to remote everything or part time opening for some places?

That would put home workers fuel bills through the roof, too.

What a complete keech show. How are pensioners meant to survive this winter?

[Stairway 2 7]

Cnn looks at uk energy prices

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/19/energy/energy-prices-uk-europe-explainer/index.html

[Colr]

Electric blankets are a fantastic investment if you haven’t already got one.

Totally agree.

When I was a student, big, old flats that we used to rent in never had central heating. Popping into bed with the electric blanket on was how we survived the winter!!

You get electric over blankets/ throws as well. Heats you not the room and OK for watching TV

[Scorrie]

Totally agree.

When I was a student, big, old flats that we used to rent in never had central heating. Popping into bed with the electric blanket on was how we survived the winter!!

You get electric over blankets/ throws as well. Heats you not the room and OK for watching TV

Hot water bottle for me. Same principle but cheaper to operate!

[lapsedhibee]

Hot water bottle for me. Same principle but cheaper to operate!

Is it much cheaper to run? You can run a heating pad for about 1p an hour, and a kettle might cost 2-3p to boil. Plus all the mental effort of having to decide whether the bottle's got too cold to be any further use, necessitating a refill, or whether you can make it spin out until the next ad break ... #firstworldproblems

[Stairway 2 7]

Billionaire Jim Ratcliffes ineos makes 500 million profit

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/21/billionaire-brexiters-energy-giant-ineos-nets-474m-profit-thanks-to-soaring-prices

[Hibrandenburg]

Electric blankets are a fantastic investment if you haven’t already got one.

Horrible things, there's nothing better than crawling into a cool bed with fresh crisp sheets and warming it up with your own body heat. Even in winter and we sometimes get temperatures dropping to -20 here, I'll keep the bedroom window open and sleep in the buff.

[stu in nottingham]

Horrible things, there's nothing better than crawling into a cool bed with fresh crisp sheets and warming it up with your own body heat. Even in winter and we sometimes get temperatures dropping to -20 here, I'll keep the bedroom window open and sleep in the buff.

I take the opposite view, I think they're wonderful things. Very useful for economising on heating costs too. I've no interest into climbing into a freezing cold bed at night and I've lived in -40C for prolonged periods so absolutely used to dealing with the cold.

[lapsedhibee]

Horrible things, there's nothing better than crawling into a cool bed with fresh crisp sheets and warming it up with your own body heat. Even in winter and we sometimes get temperatures dropping to -20 here, I'll keep the bedroom window open and sleep in the buff.

Awright Wim :thumbsup:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Horrible things, there's nothing better than crawling into a cool bed with fresh crisp sheets and warming it up with your own body heat. Even in winter and we sometimes get temperatures dropping to -20 here, I'll keep the bedroom window open and sleep in the buff.

I’m the same. Never have the heating on in the bedroom and always have the window open. I only have a 3.5 tog duvet as well.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jeez

https://mobile.twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1561697025749557248

Holger Zschaepitz
@Schuldensuehner
OOPS! German benchmark electricity price jumped >25% on Monday to pass €700 per megawatt-hour for the first time. The level is about 14 times the seasonal average over the past five years

[overdrive]

I’m the same. Never have the heating on in the bedroom and always have the window open. I only have a 3.5 tog duvet as well.

One of the things I argue most about with my other half. I love the cold when sleeping. I would have the window open in all weather if I had my way. It is more of a letting spiders in that she has an issue with, even though I've provided links to articles online showing that spiders (with a few exceptions) do not get into your house from the outside.

[Hibrandenburg]

One of the things I argue most about with my other half. I love the cold when sleeping. I would have the window open in all weather if I had my way. It is more of a letting spiders in that she has an issue with, even though I've provided links to articles online showing that spiders (with a few exceptions) do not get into your house from the outside.

I've got mosquito nets on most of my windows, so that's not an issue. My Mrs also hates spiders.

[Stairway 2 7]

1.7 million pledging to cancel direct debits. Will be unbelievable and unprecedented if even a decent proportion of that do

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/winter-debt-crisis-fuel-energy-price-cap-1807444?utm_term=Autofeed&ito=social_itw_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1661104091

[Bridge hibs]

I take the opposite view, I think they're wonderful things. Very useful for economising on heating costs too. I've no interest into climbing into a freezing cold bed at night and I've lived in -40C for prolonged periods so absolutely used to dealing with the cold.We had a scare many years ago when an electric blanket overheated, thankfully no more than that and it was binned thereafter. My Wife is the polar opposite of me, she feels the cold whereas Im sort of weathered as have been working outdoors for years in all conditions

With regards energy conserving etc we got rid of the tumble dryer a couple of years ago and now use the trusty clothes horse, I hate lights on in the house so its basically the tv that illuminates the livingroom, I keep showering down to a minimum (hate baths) only use the kettle and toaster in the morning and gas cooker once a day/night

Like Hibrandenburg above, I sleep with the window open even in the winter, I never have the duvet over me much to my Wifes delight as she is double duveted, obviously to my delight 🤣

[Stairway 2 7]

Women feel the cold more than men due to muscle mass and estrogen amongst other things. There has been a lot about misogyny in how offices and homes are heated. If it feels just about comfortable for you, it will probably be too cold for your wife/daughter

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/the-evolutionary-reasons-why-women-feel-the-cold-more-than-men-1239135

[stu in nottingham]

We had a scare many years ago when an electric blanket overheated, thankfully no more than that and it was binned thereafter. My Wife is the polar opposite of me, she feels the cold whereas Im sort of weathered as have been working outdoors for years in all conditions

With regards energy conserving etc we got rid of the tumble dryer a couple of years ago and now use the trusty clothes horse, I hate lights on in the house so its basically the tv that illuminates the livingroom, I keep showering down to a minimum (hate baths) only use the kettle and toaster in the morning and gas cooker once a day/night

Like Hibrandenburg above, I sleep with the window open even in the winter, I never have the duvet over me much to my Wifes delight as she is double duveted, obviously to my delight 🤣

Haha she is well provided for!

Understand what you mean about weathered, it definitely helps. I remember first going to Canada, running around in a bomber jacket in ridiculously low temperatures for a short while until a family member enquired, 'had enough of the cold yet?' He was right, I had. :agree:

The type of blanket I use is an underblanket and can be left on at a very low level through the night though I don't use it that way. It also has independant controls for either side of the bed.

I wonder if for some, one of those electrically heated throws that can be used whilst sitting around the house might be an economy. Especially useful for those who cannot afford to heat their home. It's horrendous that we have to all be talking this way really.

One thing that often comes to mind is that I, like many, wasn't brought up in a warm home. There was one coal fire in the living room and the rest of the house was stone cold. I never lived in a home with full central heating until aged about thirty. I don't particularly look back on it with rose-tinted specs though and I remember planning that I would try to never live in a home without it when I became a home owner. Looks like that might change!

[Pretty Boy]

Haha she is well provided for!

Understand what you mean about weathered, it definitely helps. I remember first going to Canada, running around in a bomber jacket in ridiculously low temperatures for a short while until a family member enquired, 'had enough of the cold yet?' He was right, I had. :agree:

The type of blanket I use is an underblanket and can be left on at a very low level through the night though I don't use it that way. It also has independant controls for either side of the bed.

I wonder if for some, one of those electrically heated throws that can be used whilst sitting around the house might be an economy. Especially useful for those who cannot afford to heat their home. It's horrendous that we have to all be talking this way really.

One thing that often comes to mind is that I, like many, wasn't brought up in a warm home. There was one coal fire in the living room and the rest of the house was stone cold. I never lived in a home with full central heating until aged about thirty. I don't particularly look back on it with rose-tinted specs though and I remember planning that I would try to never live in a home without it when I became a home owner. Looks like that might change!

Your last paragraph is an interesting one.

I read a lot, usually on social media, of people who do seem to look back on these times with rose tinted specs. 'We grew up with ice on the inside of the windows, used coats instead of blankets and only had one warm room in the house and it never did us any harm.' My granny (I'm sure talking about a time long before you are:greengrin) used to hate that kind of revisionism of poverty and hated the phrase 'the good old days'. She would recount growing up in a room and kitchen with 3 sisters and a brother. The 3 sisters shared a room (and a bed) and her brother slept in a bed in the corner of the kitchen. Her dad worked lighting street lamps and she recalled him coming home with fingers swollen purple and verging on frostbite in the winter months. Of course she remembered good things about her formative years as well but a 4th sister who succumbed to pneumonia, at least in part due to the conditions they were living in, embittered her to this idea there was something noble and empowering about living in such conditions.

Of course you do what you have to do to survive. I can foresee the heating being far more rationed in my house than usual this winter and duvet days with the kids in front of a film being a feature of our Sundays. I'm not too proud to put on an extra jumper and stick an extra blanket on the bed at night. It should never be painted as some noble endeavour though (much like people working 2 jobs to meet their basic needs shouldn't either). It should be seen as something of a national embarrassment that people are having to revert back to living in such a way, and indeed plenty people never really escaped it. It's 2022, people shouldn't be forced into only heating one room in their home, and in some cases I'm certain it will be no rooms that are heated. You use the word horrendous and it's apt.

[Smartie]

It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be much public conversation about using less.

Surely there's never been a better opportunity to really kick on with insulation, public information campaigns on how much could be saved by switching off appliances in other rooms, if necessary just heating part of a house etc? Public transport vs driving one person per car or starting up proper carpool systems?

I think there's a slightly complacent attitude that it's our God given right to be able to be wasteful if we want and that it's somebody else's responsibility to keep fuel bills down.

Would reducing "demand" in non essential areas not allow us to have more for essential areas, or if we managed to get demand down full stop would that not be pretty good overall?

[lapsedhibee]

One thing that often comes to mind is that I, like many, wasn't brought up in a warm home. There was one coal fire in the living room and the rest of the house was stone cold. I never lived in a home with full central heating until aged about thirty.
You were lucky.

[grunt]

It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be much public conversation about using less.
We've got a UK Gov that doesn't want people to use less, as it would upset the oil & gas companies who fund them. There was graph around earlier showing the huge lack of support for home insulation over the period of Tory Gov.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZTAHttWQAAPDtV?format=jpg&name=900x900

Johnson yesterday - "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

[Bridge hibs]

Haha she is well provided for!

Understand what you mean about weathered, it definitely helps. I remember first going to Canada, running around in a bomber jacket in ridiculously low temperatures for a short while until a family member enquired, 'had enough of the cold yet?' He was right, I had. :agree:

The type of blanket I use is an underblanket and can be left on at a very low level through the night though I don't use it that way. It also has independant controls for either side of the bed.

I wonder if for some, one of those electrically heated throws that can be used whilst sitting around the house might be an economy. Especially useful for those who cannot afford to heat their home. It's horrendous that we have to all be talking this way really.

One thing that often comes to mind is that I, like many, wasn't brought up in a warm home. There was one coal fire in the living room and the rest of the house was stone cold. I never lived in a home with full central heating until aged about thirty. I don't particularly look back on it with rose-tinted specs though and I remember planning that I would try to never live in a home without it when I became a home owner. Looks like that might change!We had coal fires in all the bedrooms however we could only afford enough coal for the livingroom, our bedroom coal fires never seen coal in all the years we lived in that house. An alternative was to put hot, not boiling water into a juice bottle, place a sock over it and place it into the bottom of the bed. To be honest though the heat didnt last long due to the - temperature in the bedroom

We couldnt afford to buy extra bed sheets but we were lucky enough that my Mum worked as a domestic in a hospital as did an Aunty so they were able to acquire old sheets from the mortuary that covered the cadavers 😵

[Pretty Boy]

Surely there is an obvious difference between being less wasteful and more conscientious about our energy usage and actual fuel poverty? This current situation is discussing the latter and it's a problem that is expected to impact at least half of UK households.

Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive with funding cuts to insulation services, installation of solar panels, home wind turbines etc all feeding the latter but with home ownership stagnating in all age groups and falling among the young, those things are simply not an option for a lot of people. Being able to make your own decisions about cavity wall insulation or installing heating pumps is to be in a position of privilege.

It's a bit like the discussion around drug deaths. It's very easy to get bogged down in the ideological and political failures that have got us into this position. Very worthy points of discussion but ultimately distracting from the fact that what is needed in the short term is practical help. Long term we can discuss the decimation of communities with drug deaths and cuts to funding for cavity wall insulation when it comes to fuel usage but neither is going to have any impact on the short term acute problem. Get people through the winter then we can discuss the long term solutions.

[stu in nottingham]

Your last paragraph is an interesting one.

I read a lot, usually on social media, of people who do seem to look back on these times with rose tinted specs. 'We grew up with ice on the inside of the windows, used coats instead of blankets and only had one warm room in the house and it never did us any harm.' My granny (I'm sure talking about a time long before you are:greengrin) used to hate that kind of revisionism of poverty and hated the phrase 'the good old days'. She would recount growing up in a room and kitchen with 3 sisters and a brother. The 3 sisters shared a room (and a bed) and her brother slept in a bed in the corner of the kitchen. Her dad worked lighting street lamps and she recalled him coming home with fingers swollen purple and verging on frostbite in the winter months. Of course she remembered good things about her formative years as well but a 4th sister who succumbed to pneumonia, at least in part due to the conditions they were living in, embittered her to this idea there was something noble and empowering about living in such conditions.


You're absolutely right, there was nothing fun or commendable about it. It was just the way things were for most families I lived amongst and we weren't particuarly bad off with my father always working. I spoke to someone recently who took the tack you describe when describing his childhood but for me it's not something that we shoud aspire to as if it's some badge of honour. The coming situation is one that shames us all.


You were lucky.

Aye but that were before we moved into 'ole in't road in Fisherrow.


We had coal fires in all the bedrooms however we could only afford enough coal for the livingroom, our bedroom coal fires never seen coal in all the years we lived in that house. An alternative was to put hot, not boiling water into a juice bottle, place a sock over it and place it into the bottom of the bed. To be honest though the heat didnt last long due to the - temperature in the bedroom

We couldnt afford to buy extra bed sheets but we were lucky enough that my Mum worked as a domestic in a hospital as did an Aunty so they were able to acquire old sheets from the mortuary that covered the cadavers ��

Similar here in that there were three other unused fireplaces that never saw a piece of coal.

I have a mate who was brought up in York pretty poor. He told me that once, his dad chopped a tree down and fed the trunk through the living room window to feed the fire!

[Smartie]

Surely there is an obvious difference between being less wasteful and more conscientious about our energy usage and actual fuel poverty? This current situation is discussing the latter and it's a problem that is expected to impact at least half of UK households.

Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive with funding cuts to insulation services, installation of solar panels, home wind turbines etc all feeding the latter but with home ownership stagnating in all age groups and falling among the young, those things are simply not an option for a lot of people. Being able to make your own decisions about cavity wall insulation or installing heating pumps is to be in a position of privilege.

It's a bit like the discussion around drug deaths. It's very easy to get bogged down in the ideological and political failures that have got us into this position. Very worthy points of discussion but ultimately distracting from the fact that what is needed in the short term is practical help. Long term we can discuss the decimation of communities with drug deaths and cuts to funding for cavity wall insulation when it comes to fuel usage but neither is going to have any impact on the short term acute problem. Get people through the winter then we can discuss the long term solutions.

I was thinking about it from a pretty simple, basic supply and demand standpoint and reckon that if those who can afford to use less (in some cases much less) were to do so, then it should surely ease things in so many ways for those less fortunate?

There are many common themes throughout the current threads, whether they be about the bins, Ukraine, energy or whatever where we all seem to be very quick to come up with ideas and demands, normally where the actions, sacrifices and £££ are demanded of other people, but less by way of suggestions that we can - every one of us - contribute towards some sort of a solution for everyone.

Some people are facing fuel poverty and they need help. Many more people are not, and it might be very much in their interests to be convinced that solution doesn't totally lie with the government, or the council, or taxing the rich more, or cutting benefits, or...

[Stairway 2 7]

I was thinking about it from a pretty simple, basic supply and demand standpoint and reckon that if those who can afford to use less (in some cases much less) were to do so, then it should surely ease things in so many ways for those less fortunate?

There are many common themes throughout the current threads, whether they be about the bins, Ukraine, energy or whatever where we all seem to be very quick to come up with ideas and demands, normally where the actions, sacrifices and £££ are demanded of other people, but less by way of suggestions that we can - every one of us - contribute towards some sort of a solution for everyone.

Some people are facing fuel poverty and they need help. Many more people are not, and it might be very much in their interests to be convinced that solution doesn't totally lie with the government, or the council, or taxing the rich more, or cutting benefits, or...

The whole of Europe should be pushing all of their population to use less gas, there is a shortage that is making the price fly. The bulk of this cost of living crisis is from fuel prices and supply problems from Covid

[Smartie]

The whole of Europe should be pushing all of their population to use less gas, there is a shortage that is making the price fly. The bulk of this cost of living crisis is from fuel prices and supply problems from Covid

Exactly.

Ukraine/ Russia isn't helping, and here in the UK we've decided to complicate things further by doing the Brexit, shooting ourselves in the foot thing.

Which in turn leads to us all going on strike, calling each other scabs, demanding more money etc etc.

If we were to get a few hundred million people across Europe to use a little bit less each, I wonder what the effect might be?


That's before we get onto left vs right, increases or decreases to taxation or debating who is worth more or less than they are currently being paid.

[hibsbollah]

calling each other scabs.

I don’t think this is actually happening in real life away from keyboards.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don’t think this is actually happening in real life away from keyboards.

My pals from Seafield depot were away up murrayburn depot to shout abuse, as that's where the scab workforce are working from.

[Smartie]

I don’t think this is actually happening in real life away from keyboards.

Sure, but a significant portion of real life for a significant number of people will be communicated via Twitter or other social media, from behind a keyboard or a screen.

It’s been significant enough for groups of people to rethink their actions.

[hibsbollah]

My pals from Seafield depot were away up murrayburn depot to shout abuse, as that's where the scab workforce are working from.

I remain unpersuaded.

[Kato]

The whole of Europe should be pushing all of their population to use less gas, there is a shortage that is making the price fly. The bulk of this cost of living crisis is from fuel prices and supply problems from CovidBy "fuel prices" do you mean "fuel profits".

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[ronaldo7]

My pals from Seafield depot were away up murrayburn depot to shout abuse, as that's where the scab workforce are working from.

I thought Maggie banned flying pickets. Ach she's died, she'll no ken.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/energy-bills-blackouts-boris-johnson-b2149998.html
This is what happens when the energy companies are funding your party.[emoji35]


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/energy-bills-blackouts-boris-johnson-b2149998.html
This is what happens when the energy companies are funding your party.[emoji35]


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We won't run out in the uk, but it will self ration as only the well off will be able to use as before

[JimBHibees]

We won't run out in the uk, but it will self ration as only the well off will be able to use as before

Yep we won't run out but a very small number of folk will be able to afford. Absolutely ridiculous how little the uk gov are doing about this.

[grunt]

Absolutely ridiculous how little the uk gov are doing about this.This is the Tory manifesto. Small government, low taxes, contracts for friends, minimal social security, everyone fends for themselves.

This is why we need to get out of the union.

[gbhibby]

Nicola gets the energy bosses around the table to work out what can be done about the crisis. Boris is on holiday and Sunak and Truss electioneering. Says it all about the Tories.

[Iain G]

My pals from Seafield depot were away up murrayburn depot to shout abuse, as that's where the scab workforce are working from.

I hope they get sacked then! No place in abusing other workers and humans

[wookie70]

Women feel the cold more than men due to muscle mass and estrogen amongst other things. There has been a lot about misogyny in how offices and homes are heated. If it feels just about comfortable for you, it will probably be too cold for your wife/daughter

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/the-evolutionary-reasons-why-women-feel-the-cold-more-than-men-1239135

In my office it feels about right for most women and about 4 to 6 degrees too hot for me and many men. Used to sit around 26 celcius which is ridiculous. I like around 18 or 19

[wookie70]

I hope they get sacked then! No place in abusing other workers and humans
I hope they discourage those scabbing to think about how they are ultimately making things worse for themselves in the long run and directly undermining another worker. I'd take someone shouting at me over trying to effect my terms and conditions

[greenginger]

By "fuel prices" do you mean "fuel profits".

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https://www.crownestatescotland.com/news/three-shetland-scotwind-projects-announced

Including profits to the Scottish Government.

Sturgeon claims this scheme will pay several billion pounds to her Holyrood kitty in rentals once up and running.

All passed on to the consumer of course.

[Kato]

https://www.crownestatescotland.com/news/three-shetland-scotwind-projects-announced

Including profits to the Scottish Government.

Sturgeon claims this scheme will pay several billion pounds to her Holyrood kitty in rentals once up and running.

All passed on to the consumer of course.It's certainly the way ahead and really should have happened years ago. Whether it happens is another thing altogether.

A nationalised energy company that isn't doing its core business with the fossil fuel companies, who are extremely thirsty for profit, could only be a good thing.

[Alex Trager]

https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1562335334607687680?s=20&t=A7zpc7ibCpgo_vKPl1X87Q

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/25/big-energy-firms-refuse-to-supply-small-uk-businesses-bankruptcy-fears-contracts?CMP=share_btn_tw

The economy is going to collapse unless something is done soon.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/torstenbell/status/1562787390452035586?s=21&t=xDsR5LByw5NYwjvqb2uv4Q
Interesting thread with some half decent solutions. Zero chance our Tory masters do any of it though.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Important thread, really great analysis. Looks at the tories and oppositions plans to cut fuel prices and some other possibilities. The world has changed there simply isn't enough oil and gas, so people will need support to afford the large prices.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1562787390452035586
@TorstenBell
The world has changed on energy bills so policy will have to too. We can wake up to that reality now or later, but either way we’ll be in a very different phase of this crisis policy wise by Christmas. A thread

[Ozyhibby]

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[Paul1642]

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It be interesting to see an income breakdown of what income fits which band on this chart.

Regardless it’s safe to say that we are going to get stuck with Truss which is clearly the worst case scenario.

Starmers stats clearly look the best but would also be costly. Why do the rich need to be stacked to gain the most (as usual).

Sunaks are probably the most fairly weighted and financially responsible but need to go a little further for the poorest.

[Stairway 2 7]

It be interesting to see an income breakdown of what income fits which band on this chart.

Regardless it’s safe to say that we are going to get stuck with Truss which is clearly the worst case scenario.

Starmers stats clearly look the best but would also be costly. Why do the rich need to be stacked to gain the most (as usual).

Sunaks are probably the most fairly weighted and financially responsible but need to go a little further for the poorest.

Agreed as starters costs 60 billion a year and is basically a bail out for the energy companies. It also doesn't lower consumption especially in the rich as you say

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed as starters costs 60 billion a year and is basically a bail out for the energy companies. It also doesn't lower consumption especially in the rich as you say

Starmers plan is basically much the same as Brown’s with the banks. It shovels billions of pounds of public money into the energy companies.
Starmers plan should be accompanied with a massive windfall tax on them to recoup the money and also a rise in the higher tax band to make the help much more progressive. That way the public finances don’t take as much of a hit.


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[hibsbollah]

Starmers plan is basically much the same as Brown’s with the banks. It shovels billions of pounds of public money into the energy companies.
Starmers plan should be accompanied with a massive windfall tax on them to recoup the money and also a rise in the higher tax band to make the help much more progressive. That way the public finances don’t take as much of a hit.


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I’m repeating my point, but again the problem is the public aren’t even aware this is a serious policy option because the media aren’t discussing it. You literally wouldn’t know the oil companies are making record profits without going on left leaning commentary sites to find out. It’s being reported by the bbc as half Putin’s fault, half unforeseen natural disaster.

[Pretty Boy]

It was nice to see Shell showing real restraint and preempting today's announcement by sending an email at 11.30 last night demanding I up my direct debit by a further £65 a month. That's on top of just under £80 worth of rises in recent months. The best part is I'm in credit to the tune of about £115 and they are using estimated readings that are way off. Tried calling them this morning but I think a lot of people must have the same idea.

There's a credit balance and there's £400 of reductions coming from the government. That's quite enough theft from me thank you very much. They can get more when my usage and balance reflects the need for it.

[hibsbollah]

It was nice to see Shell showing real restraint and preempting today's announcement by sending an email at 11.30 last night demanding I up my direct debit by a further £65 a month. That's on top of just under £80 worth of rises in recent months. The best part is I'm in credit to the tune of about £115 and they are using estimated readings that are way off. Tried calling them this morning but I think a lot of people must have the same idea.

There's a credit balance and there's £400 of reductions coming from the government. That's quite enough theft from me thank you very much. They can get more when my usage and balance reflects the need for it.

This’ll cheer you up then.

https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/europe/394289/shell-ceo-pay-package/

Nothing about the British CEO salary.

[Jones28]

80%. 80 ****ing %.

Whistle for it you bunch of *****. I’m with bulb who are taxpayer owned so as far as I’m concerned it’s the government who’s going to be footing the balance of my bill.

[Chorley Hibee]

Almost (some probably already are) at the stage where it costs more to run your house than to own it.

Still can't believe civil unrest hasn't started.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Almost (some probably already are) at the stage where it costs more to run your house than to own it.

Still can't believe civil unrest hasn't started yet.

If you’re not just talking gas and electricity and you’re including food, council tax etc as well then I’m already past that stage I reckon. Probably by about £150.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tories want NS to sort the energy crisis.[emoji849]


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[hibsbollah]

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Also note the use of the prefix ‘new’ in front of Government, as if it’s any other party than the Tories who have presided over this disaster.

I was reading an article about women living in Womens Aid shelters, escapees from domestic abuse. WA now can’t afford to heat these shelters in the winter and are concerned battered wives will be forced by cold onto the streets or back to their abusive partners.

The more you think about individuals complex circumstances the more frightening this whole crisis seems.

[Ozyhibby]

Also note the use of the prefix ‘new’ in front of Government, as if it’s any other party than the Tories who have presided over this disaster.

I was reading an article about women living in Womens Aid shelters, escapees from domestic abuse. WA now can’t afford to heat these shelters in the winter and are concerned battered wives will be forced by cold onto the streets or back to their abusive partners.

The more you think about individuals complex circumstances the more frightening this whole crisis seems.

Also making sure he mentioned NS’s Scottish government business trip to Copenhagen as if she did something wrong and the whole UK govt hasn’t all been on holiday for the last 3 months.


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[Ged]

Anyone who feels they may be in fuel poverty, or heading that way after today's announcement, could get in touch with Changeworks to see if they can help. They're an environmental charity fully funded by the Scottish government, based in Newhaven.

https://www.changeworks.org.uk/what-we-do/energy-and-fuel-poverty

[Stairway 2 7]

Also making sure he mentioned NS’s Scottish government business trip to Copenhagen as if she did something wrong and the whole UK govt hasn’t all been on holiday for the last 3 months.


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700,000 for an embassy is pointless and she shouldn't have gone when our streets are covered in literal ****, that she can sort. But the Tory still has a brass neck when his brand of chancers are either campaigning or on a beach

[Mr Grieves]

Prediction that an average household will pay £500 per month for energy for the whole of 2023.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1563049747354910720?t=13h4My1tdoEwpoWEev5OWw&s=19

[Ozyhibby]

Prediction that an average household will pay £500 per month for energy for the whole of 2023.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1563049747354910720?t=13h4My1tdoEwpoWEev5OWw&s=19

Not in my house. We’ll be going bloody cold.


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[.Sean.]

Me and my missus have a 4 year old 2 bed 3rd floor flat in which the heating is rarely even on and when it is heats up in about 20 minutes. When we moved in three year ago we were £40 a month gas and electricity.

Went up to about 80 quid a month when she started working from home which I suppose was understandable as she was in the house 247 during covid etc.

Now paying £150 a month which isn’t ideal but we can luckily still afford it. Went on to my Scottish power app for a wee nose and we’re now about 200 quid in credit which I thought braw.

How wrong I was, if I want to take a fixed tarriff it’ll be £397 A MONTH!

[Since90+2]

Liz Truss'government will step in and major support will be provided to households IMO. Not because she particularly wants to, but it will be electrical suicide if they don't, and there's nothing more important to a Tory than staying in office.

[lapsedhibee]

Liz Truss'government will step in and major support will be provided to households IMO. Not because she particularly wants to, but it will be electrical suicide if they don't, and there's nothing more important to a Tory than staying in office.

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Liz Truss'government will step in and major support will be provided to households IMO. Not because she particularly wants to, but it will be electrical suicide if they don't, and there's nothing more important to a Tory than staying in office.

Is it wrong to think they deserve your spelling mistake?[emoji51][emoji23]


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[lapsedhibee]

Is it wrong to think they deserve your spelling mistake?[emoji51][emoji23]


Thatcher is this summer's Truss model person and am pretty sure when people complained about Thatcher's voice she had electrocution lessons to deepen it. Let's hope [hate speech alert] the same happens to Truss.

[hibsbollah]

The Good Law Project just announced they are suing Ofgen.

[Pretty Boy]

The Good Law Project just announced they are suing Ofgen.

Ofgem, perhaps unsurprisingly, are getting an exceptionally easy ride of it in the media.

A body that should exist to protect consumers is in reality now acting in a manner that is designed to protect profits.

[Smartie]

Ofgem, perhaps unsurprisingly, are getting an exceptionally easy ride of it in the media.

A body that should exist to protect consumers is in reality now acting in a manner that is designed to protect profits.

There's something dodgy about it, and I reckon this could be a great move for everyone from the Good Law Project.

Lots of UK institutions I've lost all faith in but I still trust "the law". It will be interesting to hear what people will say under oath.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It is going to get dire for millions of households. An 80% increase in addition to the 50% they were already raised. Then another rise due next January. Either the government takes drastic action or it faces the possibility of riots. People are going to die because of this.

[Sylar]

Widespread civil unrest and violence are surely all but guaranteed at this stage. And necessary.

This Government need removed by any and all means necessary. These *******s (all MPs) can claim back their energy bills as part of their 'expenses', with no cap on the amount, so it doesn't even touch them.

These parasites need erased.

[Since90+2]

Widespread civil unrest and violence are surely all but guaranteed at this stage. And necessary.

This Government need removed by any and all means necessary. These *******s (all MPs) can claim back their energy bills as part of their 'expenses', with no cap on the amount, so it doesn't even touch them.

These parasites need erased.

I'm guessing that's only on 2nd homes rather than primary residence? Still shocking if that's the case, but if it's primary homes too that's just taking the absolute piss.

[Sylar]

I'm guessing that's only on 2nd homes rather than primary residence? Still shocking if that's the case, but if it's primary homes too that's just taking the absolute piss.

It's either/or:

https://fullfact.org/online/MPs-no-upper-limit-heating-expenses/?fbclid=IwAR3ONAPvj6L_vjmbXTUF83wCaNY8Wd2tzbKL33z4 8ccdh9xjQ7Hp3wsFhBY

[hibsbollah]

Nadhim Zahawi; ‘The reality is we’re all going to have to look at our energy consumption. This is a difficult time’. I had actually forgotten he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. Amazing. Anyway,

This is the chap who was forced to pay back £5800+ MPs expenses for heating his stables.

[Since90+2]

It's either/or:

https://fullfact.org/online/MPs-no-upper-limit-heating-expenses/?fbclid=IwAR3ONAPvj6L_vjmbXTUF83wCaNY8Wd2tzbKL33z4 8ccdh9xjQ7Hp3wsFhBY

Just taking the absolute piss now.

[Hibrandenburg]

700,000 for an embassy is pointless and she shouldn't have gone when our streets are covered in literal ****, that she can sort. But the Tory still has a brass neck when his brand of chancers are either campaigning or on a beach

700,000 for an embassy is a bargain. The potential for using Denmark as a route into Europe is massive for Scotland whether we're independent or still in the union.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/uk_together/status/462553752918958080?s=21&t=CBXWR02Q8z_HDsww1R5BuA


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[stoneyburn hibs]

Widespread civil unrest and violence are surely all but guaranteed at this stage. And necessary.

This Government need removed by any and all means necessary. These *******s (all MPs) can claim back their energy bills as part of their 'expenses', with no cap on the amount, so it doesn't even touch them.

These parasites need erased.

We are surely at the threshold of civil unrest, it has to happen.

[Eaststand]

Widespread civil unrest and violence are surely all but guaranteed at this stage. And necessary.

This Government need removed by any and all means necessary. These *******s (all MPs) can claim back their energy bills as part of their 'expenses', with no cap on the amount, so it doesn't even touch them.

These parasites need erased.

Well said Sylar and I agree with you 100%

GGTTH

[Scorrie]

Nadhim Zahawi; ‘The reality is we’re all going to have to look at our energy consumption. This is a difficult time’. I had actually forgotten he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. Amazing. Anyway,

This is the chap who was forced to pay back £5800+ MPs expenses for heating his stables.

Yep. He’s more concerned about heating his stables than peoples homes.

[Stairway 2 7]

700,000 for an embassy is a bargain. The potential for using Denmark as a route into Europe is massive for Scotland whether we're independent or still in the union.

In an independent country I'd 100% as a part of the uk and out the EU no

[Ozyhibby]

In an independent country I'd 100% as a part of the uk and out the EU no

Ok for London to have offices abroad but not Scotland? Despite all the other advantages it has?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Ok for London to have offices abroad but not Scotland? Despite all the other advantages it has?


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In this day and age Londons physical building abroad are getting pointless when there is zoom, they are handy for brits who need help in the country and that includes us.

No one wants to trade with us that much out the EU anyway

[grunt]

In this day and age Londons physical building abroad are getting pointless when there is zoom, they are handy for brits who need help in the country and that includes us.

No one wants to trade with us that much out the EU anyway
Oh puhlease. :confused:

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh puhlease. :confused:

The main job of an embassy is to assist with nationals that are in that nation. We already pay our % of the uks ones to do that. No major trade gets done by an ambassador.

[Moulin Yarns]

The main job of an embassy is to assist with nationals that are in that nation. We already pay our % of the uks ones to do that. No major trade gets done by an ambassador.

https://www.onlinevisa.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-a-consulate-and-an-embassy/

What do embassies do?

Embassies and consulates allow governments to cultivate political alliances, maintain cultural and trade relationships, and facilitate travel between citizens of their territories

[Hibrandenburg]

In an independent country I'd 100% as a part of the uk and out the EU no

Yet those against independence are quick to say Scotland is not prepared and doesn't have the infrastructure for independence.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.onlinevisa.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-a-consulate-and-an-embassy/

What do embassies do?

Embassies and consulates allow governments to cultivate political alliances, maintain cultural and trade relationships, and facilitate travel between citizens of their territories

I don't need a Google search to know what an embassy is. No trade deals will be done at the Scottish one pre independence, we'll be stuck with shan deals Westminster do outside the EU with nations

[Hibrandenburg]

The main job of an embassy is to assist with nationals that are in that nation. We already pay our % of the uks ones to do that. No major trade gets done by an ambassador.

That's more the consular side of an embassy, for the most part an embassy promotes trade and mutual interests with the nation it is in.

[Stairway 2 7]

That's more the consular side of an embassy, for the most part an embassy promotes trade and mutual interests with the nation it is in.

As I say out of the EU and in the uk it's pretty pointless. Lizzy sorted our deals and no one in Europe is mad enough to want a bit of them

[Hibrandenburg]

As I say out of the EU and in the uk it's pretty pointless. Lizzy sorted our deals and no one in Europe is mad enough to want a bit of them

A Scottish embassy could be worth it's weigh in gold easing the transfer of Scottish goods into Europe. Simply by having an office in that embassy dedicated to sorting out paperwork could be life saving for industries like whisky or seafood.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don't need a Google search to know what an embassy is. No trade deals will be done at the Scottish one pre independence, we'll be stuck with shan deals Westminster do outside the EU with nations

Yep, my bad. You didn't really say that the main thing embassies did was to help nationals abroad, something that was not top of the list of my 'Google search'

The point of having the presence abroad now is to be ready for the future. Even you must be able to see that benefit?

[judas]

We are surely at the threshold of civil unrest, it has to happen.

This.

For the first time in my life, I am ready to actually engage in a riot.

[hibsbollah]

This.

For the first time in my life, I am ready to actually engage in a riot.

First time? What a wee Jessie.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yep, my bad. You didn't really say that the main thing embassies did was to help nationals abroad, something that was not top of the list of my 'Google search'

The point of having the presence abroad now is to be ready for the future. Even you must be able to see that benefit?

Just for bants the top search on Google when you search what do embassies do goes to the US embassy page.
https://diplomacy.state.gov/diplomacy/what-is-a-u-s-embassy/#:~:text=The%20primary%20purpose%20of%20an,%2C%20e ducation%2C%20or%20tourism%20purposes.

The primary purpose of an embassy is to assist American citizens who travel to or live in the host country. U.S. Foreign Service Officers also interview citizens of the host country who wish to travel to the United States for business, education, or tourism purposes.

It's hardly an outlandish claim to say the primary business is for nationals. Scotland are stuck to uks trade deals which are poor post brexit. A diplomat can't change that.

If it was the tories that say opened embassies for the North West of England abroad you'd all say terrible waste during a cost of living crisis. Yous can pile on and reply further but I'm going to watch the hibs soon so discussing the merits of an embassy isn't high on my Saturday agenda

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GermanEmbassy/status/1563076841778577408

Some good things Germany is going to enact from next month including, stop illuminating public buildings and no lights on shop windows or billboards after 10pm

[Stairway 2 7]

We can blame other things but it's simply whole sale costs that are causing this crisis. Most of our inflation is due to that also obviously.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1563112198733303808

Wholesale energy costs explain 96% of jump from mid-2021 to 2Q 2023.

Via Bloomberg

[Hibrandenburg]

Just for bants the top search on Google when you search what do embassies do goes to the US embassy page.
https://diplomacy.state.gov/diplomacy/what-is-a-u-s-embassy/#:~:text=The%20primary%20purpose%20of%20an,%2C%20e ducation%2C%20or%20tourism%20purposes.

The primary purpose of an embassy is to assist American citizens who travel to or live in the host country. U.S. Foreign Service Officers also interview citizens of the host country who wish to travel to the United States for business, education, or tourism purposes.

It's hardly an outlandish claim to say the primary business is for nationals. Scotland are stuck to uks trade deals which are poor post brexit. A diplomat can't change that.

If it was the tories that say opened embassies for the North West of England abroad you'd all say terrible waste during a cost of living crisis. Yous can pile on and reply further but I'm going to watch the hibs soon so discussing the merits of an embassy isn't high on my Saturday agenda

This is a decent definition of the difference between a consulate and an embassy.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Consulate_vs_Embassy

[Stairway 2 7]

Handy tips electric blanket over your emersion. Sorry if long

With the new 52p/kWh electric cap this is what stuff will roughly cost:

1 kWh fan heater / electric radiator = 52p/hour
2 kWh fan heater / electric heater = £1.04/hour
3 kWh immersion heater = £1.56/hour
5w LED light bulb = 0.26p/hour
40w electric blanket = 2p/hour

60w light bulb - 3.12p/hour
8KG Washing machine (A rating) = 26p/cycle
8KG Washing machine (D rating) = 55p/cycle
Tumble Dryer - Heat Pump - A rating = £1.13/cycle
Tumble Dryer - Condenser - C rating = £2.33/cycle

Oven = 52p/hour
Electric hob halogen per ring = 85p/hour
Electric hob induction per ring = £1/hour (surprising?)
Microwave 900w = 47p/hour
200w slow cooker = 10p/hour

42" TV = 6p/hour
Computer monitor = 1p/hour
Xbox One S = 6p/hour
PS4 = 7p/hour
Amazon echo dot = 0.2p/hour
Sonos One = 0.7p/hour
Google Nest mini speaker = 0.2p/hour
Laptop = 2.5p/hour

American style Fridge Freezer = 2.5p/hour 60p/day
Freestanding fridge freezer = 1.45p/hour 35p/day
Under counter fridge = 0.6p/hour 16p/day

7.5 kWh electric shower = 6.5p/min
9 kWh electric shower = 7.8p/min
10.8 kWh shower = 9.3p/min
Electric kettle = 2p/min
Charge Tesla/ID3 (57.5 kWh/235mile) = £30
4 slice toaster = 4.5p/3 mins
2 Slice toaster = 2.2p/3 mins

1000w 2L Air Fryer = 52p/hour
1300w 4.5L Air Fryer = 67p/hour

Dishwasher
Full size (Bosch serie 2) = 49p/cycle
Slimline (Beko integrated) = 39p/cycle

[Sylar]

We can blame other things but it's simply whole sale costs that are causing this crisis. Most of our inflation is due to that also obviously.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1563112198733303808

Wholesale energy costs explain 96% of jump from mid-2021 to 2Q 2023.

Via Bloomberg

True and not true.

Governments in other European countries are taking action to protect their populations from the majority of the price hikes.

Ours are standing by and letting energy companies rape the general populace, while simultaneously raking in ridiculous levels of profit.

[McSwanky]

We can blame other things but it's simply whole sale costs that are causing this crisis. Most of our inflation is due to that also obviously.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1563112198733303808

Wholesale energy costs explain 96% of jump from mid-2021 to 2Q 2023.

Via BloombergAny company making a profit out of energy at this time should be ashamed of themselves. This crisis will result in the deaths of thousands of people, and companies like Shell have blood on their hands.

Not that they have ever been the bastions of moral compass, mind you.

[judas]

First time? What a wee Jessie.

😂

[Stairway 2 7]

True and not true.

Governments in other European countries are taking action to protect their populations from the majority of the price hikes.

Ours are standing by and letting energy companies rape the general populace, while simultaneously raking in ridiculous levels of profit.

Definitely but that is separate the price rise is due to whole sale price. But governments are simply going to have to find ways to subsidise that. It should be based on no one not being able to afford not to live and also us all dropping consumption

I don't like putting a blanket cap lower as no one will drop consumption, France is looking to reverse that plan slightly because of this. It needs more nuance like subsidises to lower income families or tapered cuts

Most European countries have cut usage in the last months Spain and Portugal are capping prices and have had zero reduction.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielKral1/status/1563083157679009792

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.ft.com/content/73d45ad0-8d05-45b1-9d16-01ca124d4127

Good article from the ft on the problems facing governments. In Europe countries who import gas get poorer when gas prices go up. We import 60% of our gas

[grunt]

If it was the tories that say opened embassies for the North West of England abroad you'd all say terrible waste during a cost of living crisis. Yous can pile on and reply further but I'm going to watch the hibs soon so discussing the merits of an embassy isn't high on my Saturday agenda

https://c.tenor.com/-Cr1JqBDtfIAAAAM/you-missed-the-point-stick-animation.gif

[hibsbollah]

Definitely but that is separate the price rise is due to whole sale price. But governments are simply going to have to find ways to subsidise that. It should be based on no one not being able to afford not to live and also us all dropping consumption

I don't like putting a blanket cap lower as no one will drop consumption, France is looking to reverse that plan slightly because of this. It needs more nuance like subsidises to lower income families or tapered cuts

Most European countries have cut usage in the last months Spain and Portugal are capping prices and have had zero reduction.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielKral1/status/1563083157679009792

You said the price rises were wholly down to wholesale costs. They’re not. Instead of just holding up your hands you seem to be doubling down, and completely misunderstanding the French situation as well.

Not sure where the repeat-till-I’m-sick Embassies chat came into it, but I’m sure if you say it often enough you’ll be correct.

[Billy Whizz]

So as it stands what’s the actual plan for businesses and consumers, to help pay their bills

[Stairway 2 7]

You said the price rises were wholly down to wholesale costs. They’re not. Instead of just holding up your hands you seem to be doubling down, and completely misunderstanding the French situation as well.

Not sure where the repeat-till-I’m-sick Embassies chat came into it, but I’m sure if you say it often enough you’ll be correct.

As usual your saying someone said something then not saying anything yourself. I didn't say price rises were wholly due to down to wholesale costs you made that up. I posted a link that should 96% of the rise is whole sale cost. I'm doubling on the fact that the rises are pretty much due to wholesale costs because they are ha.

What would your plan be for prices...

[Ozyhibby]

So as it stands what’s the actual plan for businesses and consumers, to help pay their bills

Think it’s wishing the ‘best of British, old boy’.


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[grunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbGUAyMXwAAHIn_?format=jpg&name=medium

[hibsbollah]

As usual your saying someone said something then not saying anything yourself. I didn't say price rises were wholly due to down to wholesale costs you made that up. I posted a link that should 96% of the rise is whole sale cost. I'm doubling on the fact that the rises are pretty much due to wholesale costs because they are ha.

What would your plan be for prices...

You are wrong. Rises are due to the energy companies being privatised, failing to invest and passing benefits of huge profits to shareholders not consumers. Wholesale costs impact France just the same, and they dont have 80% increases passed on to consumers, they have 4%.

Prices for the consumer? Short term, instruct the companies to drop the standing charge, which is the element that will cause the most deaths among those who have low use, especially the old.
Windfall tax on the companies involved. A property tax. Nationalisation. But these are all things that are anaethema to the UK Govt so no point discussing.

Prices at macro level? Thats a medium to long term problem. We have to create our own alternative supply, based on renewables, mandated home insulation and reduction in energy use, all the things that the present government has dismantled, but we are where we are. And possibly nuclear.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/27/people-earning-45000-could-struggle-with-bills-says-chancellor


People on £45,000 could struggle with bills, says chancellor

The median average salary for all workers in the UK is £25,971.


Median average earnings (also known as median salary) is the value below which the annual salary of 50% of jobs fall. It is the ONS's preferred measure of average earnings and employee earnings as it is less affected by a relatively small number of very high earners and the skewed distribution of earnings. It therefore gives a better indication of typical pay than the mean.

[Stairway 2 7]

You are wrong. Rises are due to the energy companies being privatised, failing to invest and passing benefits of huge profits to shareholders not consumers. Wholesale costs impact France just the same, and they dont have 80% increases passed on to consumers, they have 4%.

Prices for the consumer? Short term, instruct the companies to drop the standing charge, which is the element that will cause the most deaths among those who have low use, especially the old.
Windfall tax on the companies involved. A property tax. Nationalisation. But these are all things that are anaethema to the UK Govt so no point discussing.

Prices at macro level? Thats a medium to long term problem. We have to create our own alternative supply, based on renewables, mandated home insulation and reduction in energy use, all the things that the present government has dismantled, but we are where we are. And possibly nuclear.

Look at the chart and tell me the rises aren't from wholesale prices. It simply is
26157

We import over 60% of our gas. Why are Venezuela or Australia going to give us it cheaper.

The french government taking the hit from the gas imports. That's better than we are doing but it doesn't cut consumption and it benefits the rich as much as the poor.

Ozhibby put this up but I think it's about the best thread I've seen on the matter
https://mobile.twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1562787390452035586

[Ozyhibby]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?


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[Stairway 2 7]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?


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Agreed absolutely mental. UK gov think if they ignore it people want notice the crippling bills. Germany whilst obviously have most on the line, have also done the most to say Europe needs to use less gas and nor

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed absolutely mental. UK gov think if they ignore it people want notice the crippling bills. Germany whilst obviously have most on the line, have also done the most to say Europe needs to use less gas and nor

Germany will have it tough this winter but will be fine after that. They are investing billion in other sources including building massive terminals to receive LNG. They have also spent the last 6 months filling up their storage of Gas so it’s almost full. We don’t have storage. We are just hoping for the best.


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[hibsbollah]

Look at the chart and tell me the rises aren't from wholesale prices. It simply is
26157

We import over 60% of our gas. Why are Venezuela or Australia going to give us it cheaper.

The french government taking the hit from the gas imports. That's better than we are doing but it doesn't cut consumption and it benefits the rich as much as the poor.

Ozhibby put this up but I think it's about the best thread I've seen on the matter
https://mobile.twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1562787390452035586

You’re missing the point. Nobody is denying wholesale prices are increasing. But each Govt response shapes how that impacts consumers. It’s politics. You do understand that I’m assuming? You also understand by saying ‘wholesale prices are going up’ again and again, you’re not saying anything that everyone doesn’t already know?

[grunt]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?

As previously stated ...


We've got a UK Gov that doesn't want people to use less, as it would upset the oil & gas companies who fund them. There was graph around earlier showing the huge lack of support for home insulation over the period of Tory Gov.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZTAHttWQAAPDtV?format=jpg&name=900x900

Johnson yesterday - "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

[Hibrandenburg]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?


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That would mean interrupting their 3 month holidays.

[grunt]

Two interesting charts which look at the Tories' legacy after 12 years in power.

They cut funding for home insulation ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbKZeY3UsAEYpZZ?format=jpg&name=medium
Our homes are the least heat efficient in Europe ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbKZeY5UUAIrgG5?format=jpg&name=medium

[Stairway 2 7]

Germany will have it tough this winter but will be fine after that. They are investing billion in other sources including building massive terminals to receive LNG. They have also spent the last 6 months filling up their storage of Gas so it’s almost full. We don’t have storage. We are just hoping for the best.


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Uk gov sold our storage facilities a few years ago to save a few tens of millions over a ten year period, hundreds of millions lost on today's prices. Germany will still need to find about 20% of cuts this year even with storage but will be fine going forward

[hibsbollah]

So as it stands what’s the actual plan for businesses and consumers, to help pay their bills

Nothing so far, just macro measures like tax cuts and getting rid of the green levy, the first is just ideological, will only affect those that pay tax anyway, not the poorest, and the green levy is a very small amount anyway.

Truss will have to do something at some point, she has to. She can give a cash handout to consumers, or she can cap and provide subsidies through the energy firms which is what Labour and Lib Dems want. But at the moment we’re on our own.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Nothing so far, just macro measures like tax cuts and getting rid of the green levy, the first is just ideological, will only affect those that pay tax anyway, not the poorest, and the green levy is a very small amount anyway.

Truss will have to do something at some point, she has to. She can give a cash handout to consumers, or she can cap and provide subsidies through the energy firms which is what Labour and Lib Dems want. But at the moment we’re on our own.

There was a cost of living payment for those on benefits. I think it was around £300 and the same again this autumn? Correct me if I'm wrong there. Pensioners will receive an extra payment this winter in addition to the winter fuel payment. Trouble is it hardly touches the sides, with inflation so high on everything.

[Stairway 2 7]

There was a cost of living payment for those on benefits. I think it was around £300 and the same again this autumn? Correct me if I'm wrong there. Pensioners will receive an extra payment this winter in addition to the winter fuel payment. Trouble is it hardly touches the sides, with inflation so high on everything.

Think it's £37 the package. Money for all those on benefits and £60 a month for all households starting Oct. It's actually a decent package and idea. The problem is its from calculations months ago and now as you say, it won't be nearly enough

[Kato]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkA few comments already on this which are correct.

It hasn't entered their heads to help as they don't care.

They are "on holiday".

They are naval gazing over a new leader.

Them/their pals who are share holders want consumers to continue using as much electricity as possible.

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[grunt]

Think it's £37 the package. Money for all those on benefits and £60 a month for all households starting Oct. It's actually a decent package and idea. The problem is its from calculations months ago and now as you say, it won't be nearly enough
I assume you mean £37bn?

If this is the expected cost of the energy price support, why is it that everything seems to cost £37bn? Wasn't that also the cost of T&T?

Is £37bn the new 42? The answer to life, the universe and everything?

[lapsedhibee]

So as it stands what’s the actual plan for businesses and consumers, to help pay their bills

Truss has a plan. A very good plan in fact. She's just not saying what it is. But she'll definitely deliver.

[grunt]

What are they doing about the energy crisis in Germany?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbEpMBxWYAACgLw?format=jpg&name=medium

[Bristolhibby]

What’s amazing is that the govt hasn’t had a massive info campaign on how people and businesses can save energy to try and reduce demand?


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It’s almost as if those Insulate Britain guys were into something. Wonder instead of locking them up the government should have been you know doing something about it.

Instead they waffled on about heat pumps that only the rich can afford.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s almost as if those Insulate Britain guys were into something. Wonder instead of locking them up the government should have been you know doing something about it.

Instead they waffled on about heat pumps that only the rich can afford.

J

Thing is if we're going to go fully renewable which I'm sure we will. We need to get off gas heating. It's going to have to be subsidised, but it would be worth it

[Moulin Yarns]

Just for bants the top search on Google when you search what do embassies do goes to the US embassy page.
https://diplomacy.state.gov/diplomacy/what-is-a-u-s-embassy/#:~:text=The%20primary%20purpose%20of%20an,%2C%20e ducation%2C%20or%20tourism%20purposes.

The primary purpose of an embassy is to assist American citizens who travel to or live in the host country. U.S. Foreign Service Officers also interview citizens of the host country who wish to travel to the United States for business, education, or tourism purposes.

It's hardly an outlandish claim to say the primary business is for nationals. Scotland are stuck to uks trade deals which are poor post brexit. A diplomat can't change that.

If it was the tories that say opened embassies for the North West of England abroad you'd all say terrible waste during a cost of living crisis. Yous can pile on and reply further but I'm going to watch the hibs soon so discussing the merits of an embassy isn't high on my Saturday agenda

Who needs to wait for Scottish embassies? Or UK ones for that matter 😉


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-62700354


Direct export and import of goods between Scotland and China without going through England first.

[Colr]

Of course, MPs can claim their utilities cost through their expenses. No wonder they don’t give a ****.

[Ozyhibby]

Of course, MPs can claim their utilities cost through their expenses. No wonder they don’t give a ****.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-secretary-claimed-4k-utilities-27850295


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[degenerated]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-secretary-claimed-4k-utilities-27850295


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat is outrageous.

Wonder if Neil Bibby thinks it's just as scandalous that Ian Murray claimed around £1000 for gas and electricity in his second home in 2021.

https://www.mpsexpenses.info/#!/mp/204

[Stairway 2 7]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/24/chancellor-rishi-sunak-splashing-out-13000-a-year-on-heating-pool-16525658/

Rishi’s new pool to cost £13,000 a year while we struggle to heat our homes

[Hibrandenburg]

Looks like Germany can't agree on an extension of the 9 euro ticket that has been on offer for the last 3 months. In my opinion it's been a roaring success. 30 million Germans have taken advantage of the scheme that allows people to travel the length and breadth of the country on all public transport barring intercity trains.

As a commuter who travels to the heart of the city from just outside the city every day, it's saved me €98 a month for a journey of 35 minutes each way. The trains have at times been packed compared to what they were before the offer, but that was pretty much the point and getting people off the roads and on trains voluntarily must be a good thing.

I just hope the upcoming talks at regional government level find concensus and another nationwide solution is found.

[grunt]

Looks like Germany can't agree on an extension of the 9 euro ticket that has been on offer for the last 3 months. In my opinion it's been a roaring success.
You might be interested in this:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2022/08/lessons-germany-experiment-near-free-rail-travel-9-euro-ticket

[Stairway 2 7]

Actually a not bad idea if it's added to targeted help like they are suggesting

@Telegraph
🔴Liz Truss is considering a “nuclear” VAT cut of five per cent across the board to tackle the cost of living crisis,
@Telegraph
can reveal

The Treasury will present the next prime minister with plans modelled on Gordon Brown’s response to the 2008 financial crisis as part of a series of options to offset soaring energy bills

The headline rate of VAT could be cut by up to five per cent – the largest ever reduction

💡It would save the average household more than £1,300 a year

Officials believe it would also protect businesses from collapsing and could come alongside more targeted measures to help the worst-off with energy bills following Friday’s price cap increase to £3,549 from October

A five per cent cut in VAT would cost the taxpayer £3.2 billion a month, or £38 billion to keep in place for one year, according to analysis by the IFS

It would also reduce inflation temporarily by around two per cent

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🔴Liz Truss is considering a “nuclear” VAT cut of five per cent across the board to tackle the cost of living crisis,


Pray that's the only remotely nucular decision she ever gets to make.