Countdown to 3rd place thread

[hibbysam]

We’ll almost certainly end up playing Rangers at home again and Celtic away so that everyone ends up with a 19/19 split. Not sure whether or not that’s a good thing as I’d have been pretty confident in us getting some form of result at home to Celtic

Not the case. Our fixtures won’t change, neither will Rangers’. Livingston will go to Celtic for a third time and St Johnstone will get Aberdeen at home for a third time. That sorts everyone out with minimal fuss.

**disclaimer, if I have done previous fixtures correctly.

[Sir David Gray]

but that would make them equal on points with us if we win one, and if we win that one game it means our GD would be at the very least +13, we will all agree it's highly unlikely they will claw back 13 goals



i think :dizzy:


Don’t think so. If we won 1, and Aberdeen lost 1 (3 wins and a draw leaves 1 defeat) then we would be at least 14 goals clear before the other games. That would then be an average of a 2 goal swing from every other game on average.


If we win our one game v Livingston and then lose to Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and St Johnstone then our goal difference would be +10 assuming all the results were 1-0 (although could be higher and could also be a lot lower too) and we would be on 59 points.

If Aberdeen won 3, drew 1 and lost 1, they would potentially be on +3 assuming the 3 wins and 1 defeat all ended 1-0 and be on 59 points.

A few of those wins turning into 2-0 for Aberdeen and a few of our defeats turning into 2-0 against us and then there's a problem.

It's all highly unlikely and I don't believe Aberdeen will catch us and I don't want it to seem like I think otherwise but I do think it's the points difference that's insurmountable rather than the goal difference.

Should they catch us on points then I do think a 12 goal difference over 5 games, where the team in the lead needs to lose at least 4 games, the team in behind needs to win at least 3 games and both teams need to play each other where the goal difference acts as double, could be catchable.

[Lancs Harp]

If we win our one game v Livingston and then lose to Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and St Johnstone then our goal difference would be +10 assuming all the results were 1-0 (although could be higher and could also be a lot lower too) and we would be on 59 points.

If Aberdeen won 3, drew 1 and lost 1, they would potentially be on +3 assuming the 3 wins and 1 defeat all ended 1-0 and be on 59 points.

A few of those wins turning into 2-0 for Aberdeen and a few of our defeats turning into 2-0 against us and then there's a problem.

It's all highly unlikely and I don't believe Aberdeen will catch us and I don't want it to seem like I think otherwise but I do think it's the points difference that's insurmountable rather than the goal difference.

Should they catch us on points then I do think a 12 goal difference over 5 games, where the team in the lead needs to lose at least 4 games, the team in behind needs to win at least 3 games and both teams need to play each other where the goal difference acts as double, could be catchable.

Simply too many "Ifs" in that SDG. Switch off you're overthinking it mate :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

If we win our one game v Livingston and then lose to Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and St Johnstone then our goal difference would be +10 assuming all the results were 1-0 (although could be higher and could also be a lot lower too) and we would be on 59 points.

If Aberdeen won 3, drew 1 and lost 1, they would potentially be on +3 assuming the 3 wins and 1 defeat all ended 1-0 and be on 59 points.

A few of those wins turning into 2-0 for Aberdeen and a few of our defeats turning into 2-0 against us and then there's a problem.

It's all highly unlikely and I don't believe Aberdeen will catch us and I don't want it to seem like I think otherwise but I do think it's the points difference that's insurmountable rather than the goal difference.

Should they catch us on points then I do think a 12 goal difference over 5 games, where the team in the lead needs to lose at least 4 games, the team in behind needs to win at least 3 games and both teams need to play each other where the goal difference acts as double, could be catchable.

Teams 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th have the most to play for
St Johnstone only 4 points behind Livvi, although inferior goal difference, but on a great run
Livvi 5 points behind Dons
Dons 7 points behind Hibs, but Hibs have much better goal difference

You have through if we at least draw with Dons, 3rd is pretty much guaranteed

[Sir David Gray]

Simply too many "Ifs" in that SDG. Switch off you're overthinking it mate :greengrin

:greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

Teams 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th have the most to play for
St Johnstone only 4 points behind Livvi, although inferior goal difference, but on a great run
Livvi 5 points behind Dons
Dons 7 points behind Hibs, but Hibs have much better goal difference

You have through if we at least draw with Dons, 3rd is pretty much guaranteed

Yes I personally think it's done already but as long as we avoid defeat at Pittodrie (assuming it's not already done by then) it's definitely over.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes I personally think it's done already but as long as we avoid defeat at Pittodrie (assuming it's not already done by then) it's definitely over.

Aberdeen v Hibs has to be at least the 1st or 2nd game, and most likely on TV (most of our away games at Pittodrie seem to be on TV anyway)

[cabbageandribs1875]

If we win our one game v Livingston and then lose to Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and St Johnstone then our goal difference would be +10 assuming all the results were 1-0 (although could be higher and could also be a lot lower too) and we would be on 59 points.

If Aberdeen won 3, drew 1 and lost 1, they would potentially be on +3 assuming the 3 wins and 1 defeat all ended 1-0 and be on 59 points.

A few of those wins turning into 2-0 for Aberdeen and a few of our defeats turning into 2-0 against us and then there's a problem.
.


aah, i didn't take into consideration if we lost our four it would mean our +GD would diminish and their GD would increase for their wins :(

[hibbysam]

If we win our one game v Livingston and then lose to Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and St Johnstone then our goal difference would be +10 assuming all the results were 1-0 (although could be higher and could also be a lot lower too) and we would be on 59 points.

If Aberdeen won 3, drew 1 and lost 1, they would potentially be on +3 assuming the 3 wins and 1 defeat all ended 1-0 and be on 59 points.

A few of those wins turning into 2-0 for Aberdeen and a few of our defeats turning into 2-0 against us and then there's a problem.

It's all highly unlikely and I don't believe Aberdeen will catch us and I don't want it to seem like I think otherwise but I do think it's the points difference that's insurmountable rather than the goal difference.

Should they catch us on points then I do think a 12 goal difference over 5 games, where the team in the lead needs to lose at least 4 games, the team in behind needs to win at least 3 games and both teams need to play each other where the goal difference acts as double, could be catchable.

Like I said, it would be minimum (if we won ours by 1 and they lost theirs by 1) 14 goals. For them to make that up in 7 games would be rather unlikely.

[Sir David Gray]

Like I said, it would be minimum (if we won ours by 1 and they lost theirs by 1) 14 goals. For them to make that up in 7 games would be rather unlikely.

Yes I agree very unlikely. I'm not convinced they'll catch us even if we lose our five remaining matches although I'd rather not put that theory to the test.

[greenlex]

Aberdeen have scored one goal in ten games. It’s over.

[7-Zip_Mike]

When are split fixtures announced?

[Sir David Gray]

When are split fixtures announced?

Today.

[Onion]

Aberdeen have been bottom 6 team for weeks and will struggle to win a game post-split. All their talk of winning all 5 games is fantasy and delusion. They've yet to come to terms with their new future as a mid-table outfit but Hibs will help them when we close out 3rd place at Pittodrie.

Aberdeen need to worry more about losing 4th and Europe altogether. Quite possible.

[blackpoolhibs]

When we lose a couple of games, we are never winning again, Aberdeen go on a run like they are on, and folk are worried they will suddenly find title winning form.

[StevieT]

If we play Aberdeen early after the split then we must get at least a draw. Remember that a win for the Dons means double goals for them i.e. a two nil win reduces the goal difference by four (plus two for them and minus two for us).

[Hibbyradge]

Aberdeen have been bottom 6 team for weeks and will struggle to win a game post-split. All their talk of winning all 5 games is fantasy and delusion. They've yet to come to terms with their new future as a mid-table outfit but Hibs will help them when we close out 3rd place at Pittodrie.

Aberdeen need to worry more about losing 4th and Europe altogether. Quite possible.

It's not really fantasy or delusion. It's a desperate desire not to fall on our faces.

A lot of folk are saying that it's as good as over now and that Aberdeen won't pick up even 8 points in the last 5 games.

I'm in the "it's not over till it's over" camp. At the moment I've got a basket of eggs. I'm very hopeful that they're properly fertilised, but they might not be.

[calumhibee1]

It's not really fantasy or delusion. It's a desperate desire not to fall on our faces.

A lot of folk are saying that it's as good as over now and that Aberdeen won't pick up even 8 points in the last 5 games.

I'm in the "it's not over till it's over" camp. At the moment I've got a basket of eggs. I'm very hopeful that they're properly fertilised, but they might not be.

:agree:

Whilst Aberdeen won’t win all 5 games I’d be stunned if they carry on their current run of form all the way through to the end of the season.

We should be fine from the position we’re in. But a defeat at Pittodrie and the OFs seasons being over could see all sorts of strange results after the split. Hopefully we’re not on the wrong end of them.

That being said, I don’t fancy them to turn it around enough to close the gap.

[nonshinyfinish]

It's not really fantasy or delusion. It's a desperate desire not to fall on our faces.

A lot of folk are saying that it's as good as over now and that Aberdeen won't pick up even 8 points in the last 5 games.

I'm in the "it's not over till it's over" camp. At the moment I've got a basket of eggs. I'm very hopeful that they're properly fertilised, but they might not be.

If you've put all your eggs in one basket but you're not counting your chickens, are you being reckless or cautious? :confused:

[jeffers]

It's not really fantasy or delusion. It's a desperate desire not to fall on our faces.

A lot of folk are saying that it's as good as over now and that Aberdeen won't pick up even 8 points in the last 5 games.

I'm in the "it's not over till it's over" camp. At the moment I've got a basket of eggs. I'm very hopeful that they're properly fertilised, but they might not be.

I’m more concerned about someone in 4th or below winning the Scottish Cup and we don’t end up getting group stage European football. That would be a huge disappointment.

[Hibbyradge]

If you've put all your eggs in one basket but you're not counting your chickens, are you being reckless or cautious? :confused:

I'm getting my kitchen renovated so I'm neither reckless or cautious.

I'm cramped for space.

[Heisenberg]

If we get the two Glasgow sides first then it leaves Aberdeen with a huge opportunity (obviously assuming we don’t win). No idea if they’d have it in them to take advantage given their current form right enough. Could see us getting Rangers and Celtc first to set us up for game 3 vs Aberdeen.

[SHODAN]

Today.

Where are you seeing this?

[Onion]

We need games we can win as early in the fixture list as we can - Livi, St j, Celtic. We don't want to give Aberdeen the faintest hope.

Sadly, the fixture fixers will be trying to the very opposite.

[04Sauzee]

Taken from the Pie & Bovril Twitter account

Pre-Split Report Card: Hibs

Perfect Points (9 out of 9):
St.Mirren, Hamilton, Kilmarnock

Wipeouts (0 out of 9):
None

Points vs Top Six; 25%
Points vs Bottom Six; 75%


Pre-Split Report Card: Aberdeen

Perfect Points (9 out of 9): Kilmarnock

Wipeouts (0 out of 9):
Rangers

Points vs Top Six; 36.73%
Points vs Bottom Six; 63.27%

[Sir David Gray]

Where are you seeing this?

Sportsound commentator during yesterday's match.

[scoopyboy]

Sportsound commentator during yesterday's match.

I think he's got that wrong, time will tell though.

[Billy Whizz]

I think he's got that wrong, time will tell though.

Nothing on SPFL website

[Sir David Gray]

I think he's got that wrong, time will tell though.

Obviously just assumed that it was the logical conclusion to come to.

What's the need for the wait? We now know the teams in the top and bottom six.

[scoopyboy]

Obviously just assumed that it was the logical conclusion to come to.

What's the need for the wait? We now know the teams in the top and bottom six.

I think the TV companies have a big say in it and they probably won't sit down before today to work out the details.

Rangers will have their last game at home for the presentation and you can bet your last penny it won't be against Celtic.

The Old Firm game will be played before beer gardens open.

There's no rush to be honest, it's a while til we restart League matches.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's not really fantasy or delusion. It's a desperate desire not to fall on our faces.

A lot of folk are saying that it's as good as over now and that Aberdeen won't pick up even 8 points in the last 5 games.

I'm in the "it's not over till it's over" camp. At the moment I've got a basket of eggs. I'm very hopeful that they're properly fertilised, but they might not be.


eggxactly

[SHODAN]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The only thing i know for certain following Hibs is that at some point during the post-split matches is that i'm going to ***** myself!

[Hibby70]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.

I think Rangers v Celtic will be round 2 or 3 on the basis that they have just played.

[Sir David Gray]

I think the TV companies have a big say in it and they probably won't sit down before today to work out the details.

Rangers will have their last game at home for the presentation and you can bet your last penny it won't be against Celtic.

The Old Firm game will be played before beer gardens open.

There's no rush to be honest, it's a while til we restart League matches.

They will have an input but 10 out of the 12 teams already knew their fate before the last round of games. I realise it's a few weeks before the next league games are played but I'd like to think we could have put something out today.

Seems unlikely now though.

[Allez Hibs]

This has been a cracking season by most possible metrics. A third place finish now looks a certainty unless we have a pretty huge collapse and Aberdeen have a huge turnaround (they’ve scored one, yes one goal in their last 10). Jack Ross deserves a humongous amount of credit if we do secure third. It would be huge for our club.

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

[scoopyboy]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.

Those games wont be played on the same set of fixtures.

They are probably the two picks for the TV and in my humble opinion wont be played together.

[1van Sprou7e]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

Celtic are on course to get around 79 points. We were never going to beat that this season unfortunately. (In fact I don't think a non old firm team has ever gotten that many points)

Hopefully we can target something in that region in the future but we aren't really anywhere near that level yet

[scoopyboy]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

So a point at Livingston isn't good?

Want to tell Steven Gerrard or Neil Lennon that.

Rangers drew 0-0 and scraped a very late 1-0 win there and Celtic drew 2-2.

Our draw isn't that bad when you compare it to those results eh.

We have taken four points and a goal difference of +3 away to them, the best in the League.

But don't let that spoil your little dig at Jack Ross.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.


i don't think the TV dudes would like that

[BlackSheep]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.


I think this post epitomises our fanbase.....

It has ultimately been a good season and while the lure of CL seems like a near miss.... overall finishing third and the possibility of European group stages will do the club better in the long run, a whole lot more beneficial than getting pumped in a single CL qualifier.

As for cup disasters, getting to the semis would be considered a good thing in most seasons... and we still have the Scottish to play for this year.

[Andy74]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

Drivel.

[Allez Hibs]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.

Would make sense but I think Aberdeen v Hibs will be round 1 with Rangers v Celtic round 2.

[Ryan91]

I think the TV companies have a big say in it and they probably won't sit down before today to work out the details.

Rangers will have their last game at home for the presentation and you can bet your last penny it won't be against Celtic.

The Old Firm game will be played before beer gardens open.

There's no rush to be honest, it's a while til we restart League matches.

Who are The Rangers due to play @ Home post-split? Ourselves and Celtc obviously, is there a 3rd?

[Northernhibee]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

Livingston’- famously good at home and fighting for 4th in the league not a good point?

[Ryan91]

Round 1 will be:
Rangers v Celtic
Aberdeen v Hibs

Then we'll get the OF back-to-back and Aberdeen will get St Johnstone and Livingston.

Playing Aberdeen @ Pittodrie or The Rangers @ Ibrox in first round of fixtures would have us playing 4 away games in a row, we'll get Saints or Celtc @ Easter Road as the first game

[Allez Hibs]

List of 3rd place teams and points in current league format.

00/01 Hibernian 66
01/02 Livingston 58
02/03 Hearts 63
03/04 Hearts 68
04/05 Hibernian 61
05/06 Rangers 73
06/07 Aberdeen 65
07/08 Motherwell 60
08/09 Hearts 59
09/10 Dundee Utd 63
10/11 Hearts 63
11/12 Motherwell 62
12/13 St Johnstone 56
13/14 Aberdeen 68
14/15 Inverness 65
15/16 Hearts 65
16/17 Rangers 67
17/18 Rangers 70
18/19 Kilmarnock 67
19/20 Motherwell 58* ppg

Current points per game sees us as 64 points which isn't too bad. Maybe it's the not attending games where there isn't the positive relief energy from seeing a gritty win over the line that has made this season not feel as good as it could feel.

[Northernhibee]

List of 3rd place teams and points in current league format.

00/01 Hibernian 66
01/02 Livingston 58
02/03 Hearts 63
03/04 Hearts 68
04/05 Hibernian 61
05/06 Rangers 73
06/07 Aberdeen 65
07/08 Motherwell 60
08/09 Hearts 59
09/10 Dundee Utd 63
10/11 Hearts 63
11/12 Motherwell 62
12/13 St Johnstone 56
13/14 Aberdeen 68
14/15 Inverness 65
15/16 Hearts 65
16/17 Rangers 67
17/18 Rangers 70
18/19 Kilmarnock 67
19/20 Motherwell 58* ppg

Current points per game sees us as 64 points which isn't too bad. Maybe it's the not attending games where there isn't the positive relief energy from seeing a gritty win over the line that has made this season not feel as good as it could feel.

That last sentence is nail bang on head. Right now ER would be getting massive attendances,’lots of noise, proper reactions to goals, big away supports etc. etc.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Who are The Rangers due to play @ Home post-split? Ourselves and Celtc obviously, is there a 3rd?



should be, to have 19/19 for them

[bingo70]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

I agree with the general point of your post in that I don’t think it’s felt like a good season and despite all the stats saying otherwise I don’t think we’re a particularly great side just now.

I think there’s no question we’ve been fortunate in that the team we’re in a race for third with have gone on a run of 1 goal in 10 games. I think it’s a bit harsh to put where we are down to luck though. We’ve obviously got something about us.

Trying to be positive, given the circumstances just now I think we’ve got a great platform to build on for next season when things will hopefully return to normal.

[bingo70]

List of 3rd place teams and points in current league format.

00/01 Hibernian 66
01/02 Livingston 58
02/03 Hearts 63
03/04 Hearts 68
04/05 Hibernian 61
05/06 Rangers 73
06/07 Aberdeen 65
07/08 Motherwell 60
08/09 Hearts 59
09/10 Dundee Utd 63
10/11 Hearts 63
11/12 Motherwell 62
12/13 St Johnstone 56
13/14 Aberdeen 68
14/15 Inverness 65
15/16 Hearts 65
16/17 Rangers 67
17/18 Rangers 70
18/19 Kilmarnock 67
19/20 Motherwell 58* ppg

Current points per game sees us as 64 points which isn't too bad. Maybe it's the not attending games where there isn't the positive relief energy from seeing a gritty win over the line that has made this season not feel as good as it could feel.

I’d imagine our Points per game will take a bit of a hammering over the next 5 games.

If we finish on 64 points that’ll be decent, I’m not sure we will though.

[number9dream]

Celtic are on course to get around 79 points. We were never going to beat that this season unfortunately. (In fact I don't think a non old firm team has ever gotten that many points)

Hopefully we can target something in that region in the future but we aren't really anywhere near that level yet

Exactly... 67 is our record points tally.
We picked up eight points post-split that season.
We'd need 12 points this time to set a new record, which looks like a stretch.
If we get to 62/63 then Jack Ross can feel very satisfied with his first full season and third place will be well and truly in the bag.

[worcesterhibby]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

Can we please stop this nonsense. We are not 3rd because everyone else is poor. We have not been average by any definition of the word.
here are some facts based on the last 15 years

average points per game gained by 3rd place team in top flight - 1.68
average points Hibs gained per game this season - 1.69
average points per game Hibs have gained in last 10 Top flight seasons - 1.25
average place that Hibs come in the league in last 10 top flight seasons - 7th

We are on course to gain an above average number of points for the 3rd place team in the league.
We are on course to have our best league finish in years
We have scored more goals than every other team bar Rantic
No team outside of Rantic has conceded fewer goals than us.

IT HAS NOT BEEN AN "AVERAGE AT BEST SEASON" !

You haven't enjoyed the games as much...BECAUSE YOU HAVENT BEEN THERE.

EDIT :I see Allez Hibs has posted something similar above..was too busy working it all out to notice he had posted too ! lol

[Sir David Gray]

Exactly... 67 is our record points tally.
We picked up eight points post-split that season.
We'd need 12 points this time to set a new record, which looks like a stretch.
If we get to 62/63 then Jack Ross can feel very satisfied with his first full season and third place will be well and truly in the bag.

Our average number of points in top 6 games post split is 4.4 so getting to 62 or 63 would be great.

[MWHIBBIES]

Drivel.

You are being too kind. It is complete and utter pish.

[B.H.F.C]

I agree with the general point of your post in that I don’t think it’s felt like a good season and despite all the stats saying otherwise I don’t think we’re a particularly great side just now.

I think there’s no question we’ve been fortunate in that the team we’re in a race for third with have gone on a run of 1 goal in 10 games. I think it’s a bit harsh to put where we are down to luck though. We’ve obviously got something about us.

Trying to be positive, given the circumstances just now I think we’ve got a great platform to build on for next season when things will hopefully return to normal.

I’m another who doesn’t think this season has been particularly enjoyable but I think your last sentence is important. Great chance to kick on in the summer whilst the sheep need to rebuild. We need to add (replacing the goalie is most important) but nothing on the same scale as them.

[bingo70]

Daily record and The Sun saying Stephen Glass will be confirmed within 48 hours as the new Aberdeen boss

[Heisenberg]

Daily record and The Sun saying Stephen Glass will be confirmed within 48 hours as the new Aberdeen boss

Scott Brown going too as player/assistant manager. Very risky move for Aberdeen to take.

[Northernhibee]

Daily record and The Sun saying Stephen Glass will be confirmed within 48 hours as the new Aberdeen boss

Happy with that.

[bingo70]

Scott Brown going too as player/assistant manager. Very risky move for Aberdeen to take.

I think that shows they will have much bigger budget constraints next season. They’re having to take a bit of a gamble.

Fwiw I think good on them, I like the idea of clubs like ours gambling on someone that might be brilliant than a boring steady eadie type.

[04Sauzee]

Daily record and The Sun saying Stephen Glass will be confirmed within 48 hours as the new Aberdeen boss

Scott Brown as assistant being reported.

[bingo70]

Scott Brown as assistant being reported.

Appointment not going down well at all on AFC Chat.

I was a bit surprised, they’ve been bored of the same old same old recently so they’ve gone for someone that knows Scottish football but will bring fresh ideas.

Might not work out of course but seems to me they’ve looked for someone a bit different.

[CB Hibs 68]

Appointment not going down well at all on AFC Chat.

I was a bit surprised, they’ve been bored of the same old same old recently so they’ve gone for someone that knows Scottish football but will bring fresh ideas.

Might not work out of course but seems to me they’ve looked for someone a bit different.

Yup the natives are definitely not happy at the proposed dream team of Glass and Brown.The majority of them have a pathological dislike of Brown and few of them rate Glass. Hope they are correct and that Cormacks vision goes pear shaped.

[marinello59]

Yup the natives are definitely not happy at the proposed dream team of Glass and Brown.The majority of them have a pathological dislike of Brown and few of them rate Glass. Hope they are correct and that Cormacks vision goes pear shaped.

I’m surprised Cormack didn’t just appoint himself. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Drivel.

Nail on the head

[HibeeHibernian4]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

From start to finish this post is just littered with inaccuracies or outright lies.

[Fergus52]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

That's just not true.

Celtic are on track to achieve around 76-80 points this season. Over the past couple of decades that has been more than enough to come second every season, and in several it has been enough to be champions.

Celtic have been poor compared to Rangers this season, but the idea that they've been terrible and were there for the taking to steal a champions league place is nonsense. Even if we finished with 75 points this year, it would be 8 better than our best ever total, and still likely not enough to get that champions league place.

[Spudster]

Yup the natives are definitely not happy at the proposed dream team of Glass and Brown.The majority of them have a pathological dislike of Brown and few of them rate Glass. Hope they are correct and that Cormacks vision goes pear shaped.

Think this is due to the support Brown showed for Tonev after he racially abused Shay Logan. Wouldn't say it's pathological at all

[147lothian]

It's not been a cracking season for me. We have been average at best. We are lucky Aberdeen have been so poor, what is it for them, one goal in their last ten games? Aberdeen are the only what you would call decent side we have beaten. Jack Ross is telling us that a point against Livingston is a good point, Livingston! We dropped two more points to Celtic on Saturday. It seems to be forgotten that that we have missed the best chance ever to play a Champions League qualifier had we had a better home record.

Sure 3rd place will be looked at as a good finish, but the journey to it hasn't felt like a good one, it's been very much a stuttering one. And that's not even playing in the two Cup disasters.

The SPFL should put in place a set programme of fixtures based on position for clarity. If we get Rangers, Celtic then Aberdeen I do worry for us.

I blame the lockdown :crazy:

[mutley]

Chances or St J taking something from the game against Aberdeen today ?


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[Hibernian Verse]

Chances or St J taking something from the game against Aberdeen today ?


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High. Aberdeen scraped past Dumbarton last weekend.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Whilst they might not be considered their bogey team, the Saints have inflicted some embarrassing results on Aberdeen including a couple of 5-0 / 5-1 - albeit one was with Skovdahl iirc. But the other had at least Miller and possibly McLeish in the team...

[Onion]

Chances or St J taking something from the game against Aberdeen today ?


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IMO biggest game post-split for the Dons. They really have to win it today to have any chance of catching us. Draw or lose and 3rd will be as good as our's. This St J will be tough game.

[CMurdoch]

Chances or St J taking something from the game against Aberdeen today ?


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Aberdeen can't play the striker Hendry who is on loan from St J so are stuck with Kamberi who was appalling last week.

[Sir David Gray]

Chances or St J taking something from the game against Aberdeen today ?


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Very high, Aberdeen are in a slump that it's very hard to get out of.

If the gap isn't 4 points after today then it's over.

[Oscar T Grouch]

38 minutes in and no shots on target yet. Sounds like a typical Aberdeen game.

[Argylehibby]

Aberdeen 1 up now

[Ronniekirk]

One result could see them up for the fight for third again They know how to hang on to leads


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[Unseen work]

Really good win for Aberdeen which closes the gap to 4 points with us still to play each other.

Nowhere near as done as some on here make out as the games left are tough and will be very tight especially since we’re not great against Aberdeen, Livi and St Johnstone.

[Onion]

Really good win for Aberdeen which closes the gap to 4 points with us still to play each other.

Nowhere near as done as some on here make out as the games left are tough and will be very tight especially since we’re not great against Aberdeen, Livi and St Johnstone.

Dons had to win today to have any chance, but Hibs still hot favourites to seal 3rd. All in Hibs hands.

[danhibees1875]

Really good win for Aberdeen which closes the gap to 4 points with us still to play each other.

Nowhere near as done as some on here make out as the games left are tough and will be very tight especially since we’re not great against Aberdeen, Livi and St Johnstone.

Well that's only 3 of the 5, so we'll just have to beat whomever the other two are.

[SaulGoodman]

Really good win for Aberdeen which closes the gap to 4 points with us still to play each other.

Nowhere near as done as some on here make out as the games left are tough and will be very tight especially since we’re not great against Aberdeen, Livi and St Johnstone.

We should by all accounts be picking up 3 points against Livi.

[Spike Mandela]

Dons had to win today to have any chance, but Hibs still hot favourites to seal 3rd. All in Hibs hands.

A lot of football still to play.

If Aberdeen win their first two post split fixtures and Hibs lose their first two that will test our mettle severely and I have significant doubts that we wouldn’t crumble. Not confident we will take anything from tomorrow’s game so home to Livi will be a massively important game for us in the run in..

[Pagan Hibernia]

Really didn’t expect Aberdeen to win that, fair play to them

[Perfectly Loud]

Notice it's 6pm start Wednesday. Sheep kick off at 7:45.
Huns would've issued an "Unfair!" statement by now if it was them. Regardless of whether they were the early game or the late one.🙄
I could price-up a book on which poster will start the "Unfair!" pish on here.😒

[Jim44]

Really didn’t expect Aberdeen to win that, fair play to them

Idid expect them to win today but it was an unconvincing victory that is unlikely to bolster their confidence in forthcoming matches. Even if we lose to Rangers tomorrow, I don’t think any pressure will be lifted from their shoulders. We have to remember that we are in the driving seat, whatever happens tomorrow. :hibees

[Iggy Pope]

One result could see them up for the fight for third again They know how to hang on to leads


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They’ve obviously just remembered how to score far less hang on.

[Sir David Gray]

I think one win out of the remaining games will be enough and will leave Aberdeen needing to win 3 of their remaining 4 matches.

[IberianHibernian]

Far from over . Would expect Celtic and/or Rangers to drop points with league decided so hopefully Aberdeen won`t benefit there . If we finish 4th and a team below us win cup would we get into Europe albeit in early preliminary round ? Not sure if 4 or 5 places .

[Heisenberg]

Far from over . Would expect Celtic and/or Rangers to drop points with league decided so hopefully Aberdeen won`t benefit there . If we finish 4th and a team below us win cup would we get into Europe albeit in early preliminary round ? Not sure if 4 or 5 places .

Yeah top four + cup winner get Europe, entering at various different stages. If a top four side wins the cup then 5th gets a place too.

We’ve basically confirmed euro football for next season with Livi getting pumped today.

[CJHibby]

For numerous reasons..a win tomorrow would be oh so nice. Aberdeen will be scunnered if we do..go on the Hibees :hibees

[Seveno]

We need three wins to be certain but just two if one of those wins is against them.

[Ronniekirk]

They’ve obviously just remembered how to score far less hang on.

I posted that when they were one nil up as fully expected them to see the game out at that
They started the season grinding out narrow wins so new manager might be trying to get back to that
They scored one in the cup and that was enough as well
Still in our hands but there was always the chance they would get a wee lift when new manager came in




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[CallumLaidlaw]

We need three wins to be certain but just two if one of those wins is against them.

Personally think one win and a draw against them will end up enough but I’d rather we went into the game against them 7 points ahead.


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[SMAXXA]

Today really hasn’t changed anything out of the games they have left if they were to close the 7 point gap they had to beat St J, Livii and us and they will lose both old firm games. We will likely lose tomorrow so I’d say we are pretty much bang on where I expected us to be after the wkend. We will extend it again the next round of fixtures when we play Livi, they won’t take anything from Celtic.

I think we will have confirmed 3rd by the time we play them.

That’s my take anyway 😄

[mcohibs]

In the immortal words of Kevin Keegan, I would LOVE IT if we beat them tomorrow

[Onion]

Personally think one win and a draw against them will end up enough but I’d rather we went into the game against them 7 points ahead.


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Have a feeling we'll do ok tomorrow. Our game is perfect for away from home, breakaway football and the Huns have a few of the of better players out, and will have half and eye on their big cup game next week.

[Lancs Harp]

Nobody even Celtic will be budgeting points against Rangers. We are on a free hit tomorrow no one expects anything, Aberdeen still have to play Rangers. Chill we'll be ok.

[IberianHibernian]

Today really hasn’t changed anything out of the games they have left if they were to close the 7 point gap they had to beat St J, Livii and us and they will lose both old firm games. We will likely lose tomorrow so I’d say we are pretty much bang on where I expected us to be after the wkend. We will extend it again the next round of fixtures when we play Livi, they won’t take anything from Celtic.

I think we will have confirmed 3rd by the time we play them.

That’s my take anyway 😄Don`t think we can assume Aberdeen will lose to Celtic and Rangers . Every season teams drop points after winning the league . For Rangers , priority will be winning against Celtic and winning the cup . For Celtic , winning against Rangers and winning the cup .

[one day maybe...]

Nobody even Celtic will be budgeting points against Rangers. We are on a free hit tomorrow no one expects anything, Aberdeen still have to play Rangers. Chill we'll be ok.

Correct its a free hit and should be treated as so.

Marciano

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Boyle
Newell
Gogic
Irvine
Cadden

Doidge

4 - 5 -1 in defence
3- 4 3 in attack

#GGTTH
:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:

[Onion]

Don`t think we can assume Aberdeen will lose to Celtic and Rangers . Every season teams drop points after winning the league . For Rangers , priority will be winning against Celtic and winning the cup . For Celtic , winning against Rangers and winning the cup .

And why Hibs will do ok tomorrow.

[IberianHibernian]

Correct its a free hit and should be treated as so.

Marciano

McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Boyle
Newell
Gogic
Irvine
Cadden

Doidge

4 - 5 -1 in defence
3- 4 3 in attack

#GGTTH
:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:Goal difference could be a factor at end of season so I don`t expect us to have a go thinking we`ll probably lose anyway . Sad to say it but don`t think a 1 goal defeat tomorrow would be considered a bad result by manager ( not meant as a dig at Jack Ross ) since it would still leave us with an important advantage over Aberdeen with only 4 games to go .

[Jim44]

I’m fairly confident that we’ll get 3rd. The way the fixtures in the split panned out was unfortunate for us in that it could look like Aberdeen were gaining an advantage. They had to win their game today, and points for us against Rangers is unlikely. I think this weekend’s games, will cancel each other out, in that we’ll beat St Johnstone and they’ll lose to Rangers. If we happen to get anything out of tomorrow’s game, it’s curtains for Aberdeen.

[Smartie]

Aberdeen’s win today has given me the jitters slightly.

I’ve just not been convinced by us, and had hoped we’d scrape ver the line with them continuing to be awful.

Taking the head to head into consideration there might yet be very little between the clubs. We’ve not been great in our games against St Johnstone, we’ve been very up and very down against Livi and that leaves the games with the OF.

Unlike others I don’t fancy us to get much against Rangers tomorrow, leaving the game with Celtic.

Funnily enough, with our decent home record against them in recent years and the fact that they’ve not been brilliant themselves this year, I’m probably most confident about our chances of picking something from that game to get us into 3rd.

[hibbysam]

Aberdeen still can barely score. Rangers and Celtic very rarely don’t score. Aberdeen haven’t scored two goals in a game for months and months. Even if they fluked their way to two draws there, we’d still be favourites to finish above them. Give them two defeats there and they’ve next to no chance of catching us.

[Jim44]

Aberdeen’s win today has given me the jitters slightly.

I’ve just not been convinced by us, and had hoped we’d scrape ver the line with them continuing to be awful.

Taking the head to head into consideration there might yet be very little between the clubs. We’ve not been great in our games against St Johnstone, we’ve been very up and very down against Livi and that leaves the games with the OF.

Unlike others I don’t fancy us to get much against Rangers tomorrow, leaving the game with Celtic.

Funnily enough, with our decent home record against them in recent years and the fact that they’ve not been brilliant themselves this year, I’m probably most confident about our chances of picking something from that game to get us into 3rd.

6-0 against Livingston is not too shabby. I think we’ll take care of our 3 games against St J, Livingstone and Aberdeen.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aberdeen’s win today has given me the jitters slightly.

I’ve just not been convinced by us, and had hoped we’d scrape ver the line with them continuing to be awful.

Taking the head to head into consideration there might yet be very little between the clubs. We’ve not been great in our games against St Johnstone, we’ve been very up and very down against Livi and that leaves the games with the OF.

Unlike others I don’t fancy us to get much against Rangers tomorrow, leaving the game with Celtic.

Funnily enough, with our decent home record against them in recent years and the fact that they’ve not been brilliant themselves this year, I’m probably most confident about our chances of picking something from that game to get us into 3rd.

We aren't scraping over the line. We are smashing it.

[Smartie]

We aren't scraping over the line. We are smashing it.

Right now we look like we’re smashing it but the chain of events that would see it be close isn’t all that far-fetched.

I mean, I’d love it if we did smash it but I’d be overjoyed with scraping it. It doesn’t matter how, we just need to get it done.

[MWHIBBIES]

Right now we look like we’re smashing it but the chain of events that would see it be close isn’t all that far-fetched.

I mean, I’d love it if we did smash it but I’d be overjoyed with scraping it. It doesn’t matter how, we just need to get it done.

We will. We're the 3rd best side. Them sneaking a win against a side with nothing to play for doesn't change that.

[bingo70]

Disappointing that they won today but it’s worth remembering that they were playing the 6th place team the weekend we are playing the best team.

They had to win today to give themselves a chance, they’ve done that so fair play to them but they still need us to lose all our games. Assuming we lose tomorrow they’ve got the gap down to 4 points after weekend 1. Next round of fixtures though we’ve got Livi and they’ve got Celtic which could/should see it back up to 7 points with even less games to play.

Essentially between now and the end of the season I think they’d have a decent chance of narrowing the gap, I can’t see them overturning it though.

[Wakeyhibee]

We will. We're the 3rd best side. Them sneaking a win against a side with nothing to play for doesn't change that.

I'm sure we will, also sure St Johnstone still do have something to play for ie Europe. A win today would see them close to Livi.

[Eyrie]

I'm sure we will, also sure St Johnstone still do have something to play for ie Europe. A win today would see them close to Livi.

There's a potential wrinkle there, as it's been suggested that Livingston may not be eligible (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56688895) for European competition.

If that's the case, I'd assume that sixth in the league would get the final place so St Johnstone would be in regardless of where they finish.

[bingo70]

I'm sure we will, also sure St Johnstone still do have something to play for ie Europe. A win today would see them close to Livi.

Ultimately there’s very little between us, Livi, Aberdeen and St Johnstone. We will all take points off each other and none of us will win or lose all the games between us. For Aberdeen to catch us with so few games left they need to have a much easier run of fixtures than they will have.

[Sir David Gray]

Disappointing that they won today but it’s worth remembering that they were playing the 6th place team the weekend we are playing the best team.

They had to win today to give themselves a chance, they’ve done that so fair play to them but they still need us to lose all our games. Assuming we lose tomorrow they’ve got the gap down to 4 points after weekend 1. Next round of fixtures though we’ve got Livi and they’ve got Celtic which could/should see it back up to 7 points with even less games to play.

Essentially between now and the end of the season I think they’d have a decent chance of narrowing the gap, I can’t see them overturning it though.

Yeah they had to win today to have any chance and they have done that. Slightly disappointing that they won after the run they were on but I don't think it's hugely damaging.

As long as we win next week and Aberdeen don't then it's done.

[Sir David Gray]

Ultimately there’s very little between us, Livi, Aberdeen and St Johnstone. We will all take points off each other and none of us will win or lose all the games between us. For Aberdeen to catch us with so few games left they need to have a much easier run of fixtures than they will have.

I'm assuming we'll win at least one game, on that basis Aberdeen will need to win 3 of their last 4 games which will mean they'll need to beat either Celtic or Rangers. I can't see them doing that.

[bingo70]

Yeah they had to win today to have any chance and they have done that. Slightly disappointing that they won after the run they were on but I don't think it's hugely damaging.

As long as we win next week and Aberdeen don't then it's done.

If we lose to Livi and Aberdeen avoid defeat to Celtic I’ll start to get a bit nervous but if that happens we’re starting to get into the territory of us losing all games after the split and picking up points in most games which seems a bit unlikely to me.

It’s entirely possible Aberdeen could catch us, just doesn’t seem likely we will lose all games and i think even if that happens they’ll need to win more than seems realistic.

If the season was a few weeks longer and there wasn’t a split so they had easier fixtures I would be a bit more anxious.

In short, if we lose all games and they win them all then yes, they’ll catch us. Can’t see it though.

[Ronniekirk]

Aberdeen still can barely score. Rangers and Celtic very rarely don’t score. Aberdeen haven’t scored two goals in a game for months and months. Even if they fluked their way to two draws there, we’d still be favourites to finish above them. Give them two defeats there and they’ve next to no chance of catching us.

While that’s true The impact of a new Manager often gives teams a lift I didn’t expect them to win yesterday but they did At start of the season they were winning narrowly as they could hold onto a lead
Too early to say if they will win any other games but if we take nothing from todays game a bit more pressure is applied to squad fir next home game
Our form second half vQueen of the South suggests Ross can get the players motivated and play some good football
So it’s still all in our hands even if we loose today I expect Ross wants to show he van steer us to third and will be backed in Transfer market to try and do the same next season and not let Aberdeen regroup



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[hibbysam]

While that’s true The impact of a new Manager often gives teams a lift I didn’t expect them to win yesterday but they did At start of the season they were winning narrowly as they could hold onto a lead
Too early to say if they will win any other games but if we take nothing from todays game a bit more pressure is applied to squad fir next home game
Our form second half vQueen of the South suggests Ross can get the players motivated and play some good football
So it’s still all in our hands even if we loose today I expect Ross wants to show he van steer us to third and will be backed in Transfer market to try and do the same next season and not let Aberdeen regroup



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Glass hasn’t taken over yet, it’s still Sheerin taking the team. Had they scored a few I’d think they had turned a corner but in reality they’re still struggling big time.

[green day]

If we lose to Livi and Aberdeen avoid defeat to Celtic I’ll start to get a bit nervous but if that happens we’re starting to get into the territory of us losing all games after the split and picking up points in most games which seems a bit unlikely to me.

It’s entirely possible Aberdeen could catch us, just doesn’t seem likely we will lose all games and i think even if that happens they’ll need to win more than seems realistic.

If the season was a few weeks longer and there wasn’t a split so they had easier fixtures I would be a bit more anxious.

In short, if we lose all games and they win them all then yes, they’ll catch us. Can’t see it though.

Yep.

Their remaining matches are v Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Livingston - Our remaining matches are Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, St Johnstone, Livingston

We are currently 4 points ahead and gd is better by 11 (before todays match)

Lets discount the Rangers and Celtic matches as losses, this means they have 3 games to overtake this 4 point margin.

Even if we only took one point from the Livi and St J matches combined, Aberdeen would still need to beat us and Livi to overtake us.

If we add one win from any of our matches, it makes it very difficult for Aberdeen and if they get third from there, then they will deserve it.

Yesterdays result is a rare positive in months of mediocrity for the Dons - can they turn that into a run? I doubt it.

[JimBHibees]

I'm assuming we'll win at least one game, on that basis Aberdeen will need to win 3 of their last 4 games which will mean they'll need to beat either Celtic or Rangers. I can't see them doing that.

You would assume we will be ok however need to be taking minimum of 4 points from Livi and Saints at home. If we don't going to be tight and a lot on the game at Pittodrie. Aberdeen do have a lot of decent players and yesterday Hornby looked more up to speed so think they will be better.

[Sir David Gray]

You would assume we will be ok however need to be taking minimum of 4 points from Livi and Saints at home. If we don't going to be tight and a lot on the game at Pittodrie. Aberdeen do have a lot of decent players and yesterday Hornby looked more up to speed so think they will be better.

4 points is the average number of points that we have picked up post-split in the top six over the years.

I do think 3 points will be enough though, if we win today for example then the gap goes back to 7 points with only 12 to play for. I think that would be it done.

[danhibees1875]

4 points is the average number of points that we have picked up post-split in the top six over the years.

I do think 3 points will be enough though, if we win today for example then the gap goes back to 7 points with only 12 to play for. I think that would be it done.

It's not done until that first number is bigger than the second.

Source: being a Hibs fan. :greengrin

[HibeeHibernian4]

I think the best thing we can do is make sure we don't lose at Pittodrie, risky business leaving it until then mind.

[HibbyAndy]

I think the best thing we can do is make sure we don't lose at Pittodrie, risky business leaving it until then mind.

St.Johnstone and Livvy at home before then i'd be hoping 3rd place is done and dusted by the time we head for Pittodrie

[Sir David Gray]

St.Johnstone and Livvy at home before then i'd be hoping 3rd place is done and dusted by the time we head for Pittodrie

With Aberdeen going to Ibrox on the last day they really need to be overtaking us with a win at Pittodrie, they need to be within two points of us going into that game to have a chance.

I really can't see that happening.

[The Count]

If we ca4 points from Livi and St Johnstone at home will do it.

[Keith_M]

If we win today, third is pretty much guaranteed, so let's go for it!

[Ronniekirk]

Glass hasn’t taken over yet, it’s still Sheerin taking the team. Had they scored a few I’d think they had turned a corner but in reality they’re still struggling big time.

Where is Glass is he not taking over till end of season Or is he self isolating ?
Means they have still to get that lift I was talking about when he does take over


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[Green Reaper]

If we lose today but go on to win on Wednesday and Dons lose to Cltc then, if I am right, we would be 7 ahead(+goal diff) with only 3 games left (9 points) so at that point Dons would have to win all 3 games with us losing all 3 in order for them to get third, can’t see that happening.

[Wakeyhibee]

Where is Glass is he not taking over till end of season Or is he self isolating ?
Means they have still to get that lift I was talking about when he does take over


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Isolating I believe.

[Billy Whizz]

Isolating I believe.

Takes over this midweek

[BlackSheep]

Next games are Livi for us and Celtic for the sheep... need to beat Livi and they lose to Celtic... it’s a huge fixture week for us... back to 7 pts clear with 9 to play for.....

We play Stranraer and they play Livi before those games too so you’d imagine we are less fatigued by the league games.

[hibbysam]

Next games are Livi for us and Celtic for the sheep... need to beat Livi and they lose to Celtic... it’s a huge fixture week for us... back to 7 pts clear with 9 to play for.....

We play Stranraer and they play Livi before those games too so you’d imagine we are less fatigued by the league games.

Our biggest two games of the season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

can't wait for a week on wednesday....this could be it :hyper:flag:









*almost

[Sir David Gray]

Next games are Livi for us and Celtic for the sheep... need to beat Livi and they lose to Celtic... it’s a huge fixture week for us... back to 7 pts clear with 9 to play for.....

We play Stranraer and they play Livi before those games too so you’d imagine we are less fatigued by the league games.

Hibs and Celtic wins next up and it's all over.

No way are Aberdeen winning their last 3 games with us picking up no more than 1 point from ours.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Is it just me or does this guy Richard Winton just hate Scottish football?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56376779

The language he uses when talking about our teams entering Europe is terrible, using phrases like:

"That means six games and a significant wedge of cash, even if they embarrass themselves."

"They would have three qualifying rounds before the group stages and may well find themselves unseeded for the second and third of those - and facing teams who would be capable of administering a thrashing or two."

Is there any journalists in Scotland who are willing to sell our game or is it all too negative? Or am I just being over sensitive? It seems strange to look at Europe like this, yeah there maybe a arse or two handed out on plates, but shirley the better thing to do is go with the opportunity rather than the possibility of getting thrashed. This isn't Winton's first time doing this either. :grr:

[Since90+2]

If we win tonight I'd say it's almost certain we'll finish 3rd.

[seanshow]

Significant events in history since Aberdeen beat Celtic at the sheepdome.



Donald trumpet is candidate to be US president.
Deaths of Gene Wilder and a Prince worthy of note.
Paul Halon scrambles a late equaliser in Gorgie on the way to winning the Scottish Cup.
Yams start building One stand :greengrin

[wallpaperman]

If we win tonight I'd say it's almost certain we'll finish 3rd.

A win would be huge psychologically with Aberdeen not starting until more or less after we finish. If we can grind out a win they may lose heart for their game, but if we drop points they will be well up for it.

[wallpaperman]

After that great result, our magic number of points needed is 6, and if Aberdeen drop points tonight, that number needed will reduce again. Ever so close now.

[The Spaceman]

If (and still an if) Aberdeen lose tonight, they essentially will need to win their final three and us lose our final three. Even a draw tonight won’t be good enough. 7 point gap with 9 to go and a hugely superior GD. Come on the Hibees!!

[pedroorange1875]

Aberdeen 1 0

[Stanton Spence]

If (and still an if) Aberdeen lose tonight, they essentially will need to win their final three and us lose our final three. Even a draw tonight won’t be good enough. 7 point gap with 9 to go and a hugely superior GD. Come on the Hibees!!4 points now that Aberdeen have scored its far from over and the second half tonight showed us that

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[Jim44]

If they hold on and beat the Celtic garbage, they’ll be fancying themselves to pull it out the bag.

[Mon Dieu4]

We still have to play Celtic, they are pish, it will be fine

[BroxburnHibee]

Wouldn't surprise me if Aberdeen win tonight. Celtic are hopeless!

[Wilson]

If they hold on and beat the Celtic garbage, they’ll be fancying themselves to pull it out the bag.

We'll just have to beat St. Johnstone and avoid defeat to Aberdeen. Simple.

[Gordy M]

We'll just have to beat St. Johnstone and avoid defeat to Aberdeen. Simple.

Exactly, Aberdeen can fancy it all they want, its not in their hands.....

[Hibs90]

Exactly, Aberdeen can fancy it all they want, its not in their hands.....

And that’s what scares me

[Gordy M]

And that’s what scares me

Would you rather be in Aberdeens position as it stands right now???

[WhileTheChief..]

That’s us guaranteed Euro football next season anyways.

If us or Rangers win the cup does it matter if we finish 3rd?

[Onceinawhile]

That’s us guaranteed Euro football next season anyways.

If us or Rangers win the cup does it matter if we finish 3rd?

No.

[green day]

That’s us guaranteed Euro football next season anyways.

If us or Rangers win the cup does it matter if we finish 3rd?

We are guaranteed Euro football as it stands, but need to finish 3rd and either us or Rangers win the cup to ensure we get group stage euro fitba.

If anyone else wins the cup, they get the group stages

[Since90+2]

We are guaranteed Euro football as it stands, but need to finish 3rd and either us or Rangers win the cup to ensure we get group stage euro fitba.

If anyone else wins the cup, they get the group stages

I would imagine the chances Rangers win the cup is pretty high. Probably about 90% or so when you look at their percentage this season. If they don't then going on this season's performance it's a good chance it will be us who wins it.

If we finish 3rd it's very likely we will have group stage European football next season.

[WhileTheChief..]

Thanks.

Mental that Brora were just a few games short of the Europa League group stages!

[Nicho87]

I still don’t understand why third isn’t guaranteeing this slot for europa conference league?

So we could technically finish third, Aberdeen win the cup and they get the better European slot.

That doesn’t seem right

[Sir David Gray]

I still don’t understand why third isn’t guaranteeing this slot for europa conference league?

So we could technically finish third, Aberdeen win the cup and they get the better European slot.

That doesn’t seem right

That's down to UEFA unfortunately.

[PatHead]

I still don’t understand why third isn’t guaranteeing this slot for europa conference league?

So we could technically finish third, Aberdeen win the cup and they get the better European slot.

That doesn’t seem right

They would have won something. The rules were set before the season started.

[Allez Hibs]

I still don’t understand why third isn’t guaranteeing this slot for europa conference league?

So we could technically finish third, Aberdeen win the cup and they get the better European slot.

That doesn’t seem right

That's the way it goes. That was stipulated at the start of the season. UEFA want Cup Winners getting the better qualification routes.

[Nicho87]

They would have won something. The rules were set before the season started.

I totally get that.

Just feel that surely if you look at it the other way it’s not right a team can finish a higher league points over a season and not get the more rewarding European slot.

Imagine if it was a champions league slot up here, there would be riots. God forbid.

[Since90+2]

I totally get that.

Just feel that surely if you look at it the other way it’s not right a team can finish a higher league points over a season and not get the more rewarding European slot.

Imagine if it was a champions league slot up here, there would be riots. God forbid.

Not for me. The Scottish Cup is one of the best things about Scottish football. I'm quite happy to see the winners awarded accordingly.

[Frazerbob]

Not for me. The Scottish Cup is one of the best things about Scottish football. I'm quite happy to see the winners awarded accordingly.

Agreed. It’s given the better euro spot to ensure it holds its prestige and doesn’t go the same was as the FA Cup down the road.

[PatHead]

I totally get that.

Just feel that surely if you look at it the other way it’s not right a team can finish a higher league points over a season and not get the more rewarding European slot.

Imagine if it was a champions league slot up here, there would be riots. God forbid.

Wonder how we would feel if Aberdeen finish 3rd and we win the cup?

[Andy74]

Not for me. The Scottish Cup is one of the best things about Scottish football. I'm quite happy to see the winners awarded accordingly.

You do get a cup, which is nice.

European qualification, certainly, but the plum spot is quite significantly better than you get for coming out in that position over a whole league campaign.

[Wakeyhibee]

That’s us guaranteed Euro football next season anyways.

If us or Rangers win the cup does it matter if we finish 3rd?

Yes a bigger prize pot by a decent margin & not gift it to Aberdeen.

[Wakeyhibee]

I totally get that.

Just feel that surely if you look at it the other way it’s not right a team can finish a higher league points over a season and not get the more rewarding European slot.

Imagine if it was a champions league slot up here, there would be riots. God forbid.

UEFA screwed it up in the 90s but essentially that was the 2nd premier competition after the Europesn Cup, the Cup Winners Cup, UEFA/Fairs Cup ranked 3rd.

P

[mayo hibee]

That’s us guaranteed Euro football next season anyways.

If us or Rangers win the cup does it matter if we finish 3rd?

Yes, if Rangers win the cup we need third for the Europa groups.

[Ringothedog]

Wonder how we would feel if Aberdeen finish 3rd and we win the cup?

Delirious I would have thought

[Since90+2]

You do get a cup, which is nice.

European qualification, certainly, but the plum spot is quite significantly better than you get for coming out in that position over a whole league campaign.

I wonder if we would be saying the same if roles were reversed with Aberdeen.

[Andy74]

I wonder if we would be saying the same if roles were reversed with Aberdeen.

We haven’t got anything yet and I’m saying it.

If we end up 4th but win the cup then I’d be delighted and take the European spot gladly but in principle I’d still think the 3rd place team should always get the better spot.

[Bristolhibby]

Not for me. The Scottish Cup is one of the best things about Scottish football. I'm quite happy to see the winners awarded accordingly.

This.

We’ll win it this year, it’s got an elegant symmetry.

Last team out with Celtic to win the Cup. Beat the Huns in the final 5 years later.

I couldn’t attend in 2016, no fans (at least not me) in 2021.

J

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Last minute equaliser

[YehButNoBut]

Celtic equalise 1-1

[Nicho87]

Yasssssss

[Stevie Reid]

Oooooooooft!

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Griffiths with the goal. Lad

[mayo hibee]

Griffiths, superb.

That's it done now surely.

Aberdeen need seven out of nine even if we lose all three. Which we won't, so it's done in terms of third.

Just need us or the Huns to win the cup now for the Europa groups spot.

[wallpaperman]

We now need a maximum of 4 points if Aberdeen were to win all their 3 remaining games.

In reality, they are unlikely to turn around the goal difference unless they stuff us, so 3 more points would be enough.

[Northernhibee]

Makes it almost certain that they will need to get something against Rangers.

[California-Hibs]

Griffiths makes it official for Hibs. 6 points, 3 games, +11 Goal Difference. I'm saying it right now it won't matter if Hibs lose all 3, its done.

[lugz]

There's no chance Aberdeen go to ibrox on presentation day and ruin the party. 3rd is all but guaranteed. Now for us to win the cup and secure group stage next season.

[Squealing pig]

Well played Griffiths

[BlackSheep]

No.

Incorrect.

[Bristolhibby]

We now need a maximum of 4 points if Aberdeen were to win all their 3 remaining games.

In reality, they are unlikely to turn around the goal difference unless they stuff us, so 3 more points would be enough.

One draw and a draw v the Dons would be enough.

C’mon Hibs let’s beat St Johnstone on the 1st and put us out of our misery!

No need to tease (like tonight for the last 5 minutes).

J

[Robbo6-2]

I think that's it's done.

Huge credit to Ross and his players. Been a great turnaround and when we are playing well we are a match for anyone.

Just need to try and put it together for 90mins.

Jackson Irvine has been a fantastic signing and for me its absolutely no coincidence our form has been.great since he arrived.

[calumhibee1]

One draw and a draw v the Dons would be enough.

C’mon Hibs let’s beat St Johnstone on the 1st and put us out of our misery!

No need to tease (like tonight for the last 5 minutes).

J

Short of Aberdeen absolutely skelping someone or someone absolutely skelping us even just a draw V Aberdeen would be enough

[Juniper Greens]

Let's just win the cup to stop any debate as to who deserves it

[mayo hibee]

One draw and a draw v the Dons would be enough.

C’mon Hibs let’s beat St Johnstone on the 1st and put us out of our misery!

No need to tease (like tonight for the last 5 minutes).

J

A point in Aberdeen would now be enough by itself even if every other result went against us including Aberdeen winning at Ibrox etc. (they're not making up the goal difference unless they give us a heavy beating in that game).

It's possible to spend the evening doing mental gymnastics coming up with ways we could mathematically be caught, but realistically it's over now.

[green day]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY

[lord bunberry]

Beat St Johnston and it’s all over. We always seem to struggle against them at Easter Road though.

[green day]

As a reminder, Aberdeen have scored 9 goals since the turn of the year - we have scored about 15 more.

They simply dont have it in them to win the next 3 matches.

[Stuart93]

Beat St Johnston and it’s all over. We always seem to struggle against them at Easter Road though.

Think as long as we match Aberdeen’s result at livi we’re as good as there. There’d have to be an 11 goal swing and us lose our final 2 whilst they win theirs (of course one against us)

[Hibbyradge]

Think as long as we match Aberdeen’s result at livi we’re as good as there. There’d have to be an 11 goal swing and us lose our final 2 whilst they win theirs (of course one against us)

Livingston still have an outside chance of 4th place so they'll be trying hard to beat Aberdeen.

If they play as well as they did in the second half today, they'll have a great chance to do so.

[Potty78]

Livingston still have an outside chance of 4th place so they'll be trying hard to beat Aberdeen.

If they play as well as they did in the second half today, they'll have a great chance to do so.
Livi ain't catching Aberdeen, its nine points. However with 5th potentially getting into Europe they need to beat Aberdeen next, on the other hand saints now have that to fight for too as it's only a three point gap to livi.

[Hibbyradge]

Livi ain't catching Aberdeen, its nine points. However with 5th potentially getting into Europe they need to beat Aberdeen next, on the other hand saints now have that to fight for too as it's only a three point gap to livi.

Yes, my mistake.

[basehibby]

It ain't over 'til it's over but that was a massive win. The Sheep need a miracle now to catch us but no seasoned Hibby will relax until it's in the bag :cb

[blackpoolhibs]

It ain't over 'til it's over but that was a massive win. The Sheep need a miracle now to catch us but no seasoned Hibby will relax until it's in the bag :cb

I'm chilled as f, we've secured 3rd place now, it's over, done. :top marks

[Since452]

3rd is ours after last night. They've still to go to Ibrox to play the unbeaten champions. They won't lose at home on the final day.

[bingo70]

3rd is ours after last night. They've still to go to Ibrox to play the unbeaten champions. They won't lose at home on the final day.

Did Aberdeen not beat Celtic at Parkhead in similar circumstances a few years ago?

[hibsbollah]

As it stands, what does 3rd place guarantee us? In terms of early round European qualifying ties? Anyone know?

[jacomo]

As a reminder, Aberdeen have scored 9 goals since the turn of the year - we have scored about 15 more.

They simply dont have it in them to win the next 3 matches.


Tbf they do seem to be enjoying a new manager bounce. Glass is giving it a right good go.

Still think we should be ok but the jobs not quite done.

[hibbyfraelibby]

As it stands, what does 3rd place guarantee us? In terms of early round European qualifying ties? Anyone know?

It guarantees you one qualifying round in the new UEFA Conference nothing more at this stage until the Scottish Cup is decided.

[nonshinyfinish]

As it stands, what does 3rd place guarantee us? In terms of early round European qualifying ties? Anyone know?

From here: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scotland-secure-five-places-in-202122-uefa-club-competitions/


The clubs who finish in third and fourth place of the Scottish Premiership will enter into the newly created UEFA Europa Conference League from the Second Qualifying Round.

Obviously if Sevco or the third-placed team wins the cup, then that would apply to 4th/5th rather than 3rd/4th.

The two 'lesser' European places appear to be the same in that both go into the same Conference League qualifying round. I don't know if the higher finisher would be better off in seeding or anything like that (probably not – I think seeding usually goes purely by coefficient?).

[Sir David Gray]

A maximum of 4 points is all that's needed, in reality Aberdeen won't get anything at Ibrox so 1 point will almost certainly be enough for us.

I think it's done already but match Aberdeen's result against Livingston in their next game and it's definitely done and dusted as they're not turning around a 6 point and around an 11 goal deficit in 2 games, even if they do beat us at Pittodrie.

The worry will be if we lose to St Johnstone (possible) and they beat Livingston (also possible) and then they beat us (very possible) that means it's level on points going into the last day although we would probably still hold a slight advantage with the goal difference.

We both play the Old Firm on the final day, we do have the easier fixture but I would really rather it was all done before then.

[Since90+2]

The bookies now have us as 1/100 to finish 3rd.

[Since452]

Did Aberdeen not beat Celtic at Parkhead in similar circumstances a few years ago?

Similar. I think Celtic were defending an unbeaten home record not an unbeaten league season. Hibs, Hearts and i think Kilmarnock had already beaten Celtic that season.

[bingo70]

Similar. I think Celtic were defending an unbeaten home record not an unbeaten league season. Hibs, Hearts and i think Kilmarnock had already beaten Celtic that season.

I was more meaning that they had won the league and were being presented with a trophy that day.

Think it was the same day we drew 5-5 with Rangers? Not sure of that though.

[SaulGoodman]

I don’t think for a second that Rangers will lose that game.. if Aberdeen beat Livi and us with us losing against St.Johnstone they would only need a point at Ibrox, could they scrape a point? Possibly

[oneone73]

The one thing some people seem to not be factoring in is that we are a very good side. And mentally strong.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I don’t think for a second that Rangers will lose that game.. if Aberdeen beat Livi and us with us losing against St.Johnstone they would only need a point at Ibrox, could they scrape a point? Possibly

Not if we got a point against Celtic.


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[Since90+2]

I was more meaning that they had won the league and were being presented with a trophy that day.

Think it was the same day we drew 5-5 with Rangers? Not sure of that though.

That was a far better side than this Aberdeen team.

[Jim44]

The one thing some people seem to not be factoring in is that we are a very good side. And mentally strong.

:agree: and that’s why I think we will overcome our ‘apparent problems’ with St Johnstone and see it sewn up there. :coolhib:

[scoopyboy]

The bookies now have us as 1/100 to finish 3rd.

What price are Aberdeen?

[CallumLaidlaw]

What price are Aberdeen?

16/1 to finish top without the old firm with skybet.


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[Hibbyradge]

"It's done already". Is it? :hmmm:

Does anyone think it's time to rest our first team players so that they're fresh for the cup and give our second string some valuable experience?

No? No, neither do I and I truly hope our players and management team don't think it is either. On the contrary, I hope that Aberdeen's do!

We may well have done enough but there are countless examples of premature celebration and hubris leading to embarrassing defeats. Didn't something happen in 1986 that we should learn from?

Google "Don't celebrate too early" if that particular example doesn't ring any bells.

[danhibees1875]

It really shouldn't be lost at this point, we are a capable team and we've ground out results a bit better than some previous seasons. Did Livi get a sniff after they pulled one back? Previously I feel like I'd have been watching the last 5+3 through my fingers as wave after wave of attack came at us but we seen it out well.

However I'll not be counting my chickens regardless. It doesn't seem to require that an implausible set of results to happen to derail us...

Hibs 0 - 2 saints
Livi 0 - 2 Aberdeen

Aberdeen 3 - 0 Hibs

Hibs 0 - 3 Celtic
Rangers 1 - 0 Aberdeen

Actually, nah we're fine. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

It really shouldn't be lost at this point, we are a capable team and we've ground out results a bit better than some previous seasons. Did Livi get a sniff after they pulled one back? Previously I feel like I'd have been watching the last 5+3 through my fingers as wave after wave of attack came at us but we seen it out well.

However I'll not be counting my chickens regardless. It doesn't seem to require that an implausible set of results to happen to derail us...

Hibs 0 - 2 saints
Livi 0 - 2 Aberdeen

Aberdeen 3 - 0 Hibs

Hibs 0 - 3 Celtic
Rangers 1 - 0 Aberdeen



When you put it like that...:worried:

[TheHibernator]

I wonder if we would be saying the same if roles were reversed with Aberdeen.

I've always thought league position should take priority over cup competitions to be honest. Winning a cup should get you European Football but entry to the earlier stages IMO. Before this season I thought that was how it worked.

[Coco Bryce]

It really shouldn't be lost at this point, we are a capable team and we've ground out results a bit better than some previous seasons. Did Livi get a sniff after they pulled one back? Previously I feel like I'd have been watching the last 5+3 through my fingers as wave after wave of attack came at us but we seen it out well.

However I'll not be counting my chickens regardless. It doesn't seem to require that an implausible set of results to happen to derail us...

Hibs 0 - 2 saints
Livi 0 - 2 Aberdeen

Aberdeen 3 - 0 Hibs

Hibs 0 - 3 Celtic
Rangers 1 - 0 Aberdeen

Actually, nah we're fine. :greengrin

No danger we wont score against Saints.

[Since90+2]

What price are Aberdeen?

16/1

[HendoDelivered]

It’s Hibs we are talking about. It’s done till its done!

[scoopyboy]

It really shouldn't be lost at this point, we are a capable team and we've ground out results a bit better than some previous seasons. Did Livi get a sniff after they pulled one back? Previously I feel like I'd have been watching the last 5+3 through my fingers as wave after wave of attack came at us but we seen it out well.

However I'll not be counting my chickens regardless. It doesn't seem to require that an implausible set of results to happen to derail us...

Hibs 0 - 2 saints
Livi 0 - 2 Aberdeen

Aberdeen 3 - 0 Hibs

Hibs 0 - 3 Celtic
Rangers 1 - 0 Aberdeen

Actually, nah we're fine. :greengrin

We should be fine.

My biggest fear now is us losing to Motherwell on Saturday and Rangers losing to St.Johnstone on Sunday, that would be a huge blow.

It would take away a lot of the pleasure of finishing third, can't remember wanting Rangers to win games as much as I do this season.

[scoopyboy]

16/1

Thanks, that doesn't seem as certain as your 1/100 so I will just think of that one.:greengrin

[danhibees1875]

No danger we wont score against Saints.

That's what happened the 2 other times we played them this year...


We should be fine.

My biggest fear now is us losing to Motherwell on Saturday and Rangers losing to St.Johnstone on Sunday, that would be a huge blow.

It would take away a lot of the pleasure of finishing third, can't remember wanting Rangers to win games as much as I do this season.

:agree:

Although if Hibs go through I'd make my peace with rangers going out. It's about time we went into a semi final with good expectations of winning.

[Since90+2]

We should be fine.

My biggest fear now is us losing to Motherwell on Saturday and Rangers losing to St.Johnstone on Sunday, that would be a huge blow.

It would take away a lot of the pleasure of finishing third, can't remember wanting Rangers to win games as much as I do this season.

I honestly can't see Rangers not winning the cup this year. They are, unfortunately, the best team in the country by an absolute mile.

[Since452]

The one thing some people seem to not be factoring in is that we are a very good side. And mentally strong.

That has been very evident towards the tail end of the season. Jack Ross has built a very capable side in his short time here.

[Fergus52]

I honestly can't see Rangers not winning the cup this year. They are, unfortunately, the best team in the country by an absolute mile.

I think this hibs side is due a win against them, we've been very unlucky in the games this season and have been completely done over by the refs against them as well.

[Since452]

I think this hibs side is due a win against them, we've been very unlucky in the games this season and have been completely done over by the refs against them as well.

My Rangers mate (I know) was saying Hibs have given them their hardest games this season.

[weecounty hibby]

I honestly can't see Rangers not winning the cup this year. They are, unfortunately, the best team in the country by an absolute mile.
We are the team that has given them far and away their toughest games this season. And let's not forget that we have been in the wrong end of ****ing diabolical refereeing decisions in every game as well. And we all know that these things even themselves out🙄

[Dalianwanda]

We are the team that has given them far and away their toughest games this season. And let's not forget that we have been in the wrong end of ****ing diabolical refereeing decisions in every game as well. And we all know that these things even themselves out🙄

Thats a hell of a lot of decisions to go our way to even things out :wink:

[weecounty hibby]

Thats a hell of a lot of decisions to go our way to even things out :wink:

****ing decades worth!!

[1van Sprou7e]

16/1 to finish top without the old firm with skybet.


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Just seen Nisbet is 12/1 to finish top scorer, currently 2 goals behind Edouard with 3 games to go...

[hibsbollah]

From here: https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scotland-secure-five-places-in-202122-uefa-club-competitions/



Obviously if Sevco or the third-placed team wins the cup, then that would apply to 4th/5th rather than 3rd/4th.

The two 'lesser' European places appear to be the same in that both go into the same Conference League qualifying round. I don't know if the higher finisher would be better off in seeding or anything like that (probably not – I think seeding usually goes purely by coefficient?).

Thanks.
So the scenarios for us (assuming we hang on to 3rd) are

1. Rangers win the cup; we enter the Champions League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July
2. We win the cup; we enter the Europa League 3rd round; passports ready for early August
3. One of the other six quarter finalists win the Cup; we enter the Conference League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July.

I think.

[danhibees1875]

Thanks.
So the scenarios for us (assuming we hang on to 3rd) are

1. Rangers win the cup; we enter the Champions League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July
2. We win the cup; we enter the Europa League 3rd round; passports ready for early August
3. One of the other six quarter finalists win the Cup; we enter the Conference League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July.

I think.

Hibs v rangers cup final, both teams trying to lose to get into the champions league. :greengrin

[nonshinyfinish]

Thanks.
So the scenarios for us (assuming we hang on to 3rd) are

1. Rangers win the cup; we enter the Champions League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July
2. We win the cup; we enter the Europa League 3rd round; passports ready for early August
3. One of the other six quarter finalists win the Cup; we enter the Conference League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July.

I think.There's no possibility of Champions League football.

If Sevco win the cup, the 3rd-placed team enters the final Europa League qualifying round – if we are 3rd then this is the same scenario as us winning the cup.

[hibsbollah]

There's no possibility of Champions League football.

If Sevco win the cup, the 3rd-placed team enters the final Europa League qualifying round – if we are 3rd then this is the same scenario as us winning the cup.

:doh:
Thanks again.

[jacomo]

We should be fine.

My biggest fear now is us losing to Motherwell on Saturday and Rangers losing to St.Johnstone on Sunday, that would be a huge blow.

It would take away a lot of the pleasure of finishing third, can't remember wanting Rangers to win games as much as I do this season.


I want the Rangers to lose because I want the best possible chance of winning the cup.

Glory, Glory...

[Steven79]

I want the Rangers to lose because I want the best possible chance of winning the cup.

Glory, Glory...

We all thought that when St Mirren beat them in the league cup...

[Since452]

Thanks.
So the scenarios for us (assuming we hang on to 3rd) are

1. Rangers win the cup; we enter the Champions League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July
2. We win the cup; we enter the Europa League 3rd round; passports ready for early August
3. One of the other six quarter finalists win the Cup; we enter the Conference League 2nd round; passports ready for mid July.

I think.

Champions League?

[SHODAN]

Easter Road record against St Johnstone, last decade: 3-2, 2-3, 2-0, 1-3, 0-0, 1-2, 0-1, 2-2, 2-2.

Criminal, really.

[FilipinoHibs]

We are the team that has given them far and away their toughest games this season. And let's not forget that we have been in the wrong end of ****ing diabolical refereeing decisions in every game as well. And we all know that these things even themselves out🙄

Let's pray a Knight of Columbus refs the final.

[Hibee Mac]

I don't understand why we seem to struggle against St Johnstone more often than not in the league. They're a bog standard side with very little about them to be worried about on paper anyway.

Some decent enough players but none that I would take at Hibs (case and point the majority of Hibs players who have come from them end up flops). At best they're a well drilled side (I appreciate they won a cup this year but I'm talking more generally over recent history in the league).

[JeMeSouviens]

I want the Rangers to lose because I want the best possible chance of winning the cup.

Glory, Glory...

:agree:

Can't believe anyone would pass up the chance of being in the cup semis with 3 other non-Rantic teams. I mean, as much as the Europa thing would be great, it's not winning the cup, is it?

[JeMeSouviens]

We are the team that has given them far and away their toughest games this season. And let's not forget that we have been in the wrong end of ****ing diabolical refereeing decisions in every game as well. And we all know that these things even themselves out🙄

Yes, that's true.

For every dodgy decision they get at home, they get one away as well.

[danhibees1875]

It had been my understanding also, but where was there confirmation that the Europa League spot would end up with group stage euro football in either Europa or conference?

I'm hoping it's just something which was updated down the line due to rangers progression in Europe and what I'm reading is all just out of date...

I found an article which says the Europa League place gets into the third qualifying round. This is a round before the playoff... It's the losers of the playoff round that gain entry into the conference league group stages.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scotland-secure-five-places-in-202122-uefa-club-competitions/


"In the Europa League, there will be one place granted to the winners of the 2020/21 Scottish Cup and the club will enter into the Third Qualifying Round of the competition."

It looks like the move to the cup winners getting into the playoff round wouldn't be until 22/23 season. At least according to this:

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/country/23-scotland/

[Fergus52]

It had been my understanding also, but where was there confirmation that the Europa League spot would end up with group stage euro football in either Europa or conference?

I'm hoping it's just something which was updated down the line due to rangers progression in Europe and what I'm reading is all just out of date...

I found an article which says the Europa League place gets into the third qualifying round. This is a round before the playoff... It's the losers of the playoff round that gain entry into the conference league group stages.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scotland-secure-five-places-in-202122-uefa-club-competitions/


"In the Europa League, there will be one place granted to the winners of the 2020/21 Scottish Cup and the club will enter into the Third Qualifying Round of the competition."

It looks like the move to the cup winners getting into the playoff round wouldn't be until 22/23 season. At least according to this:

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/country/23-scotland/


A couple of leagues have had their entry points into the Europa league bumped up a position due to there being no winner of the conference league this season. Think it's Scottish and Danish cup winners that are benefiting from it.

Wouldn't trust anything on the SFA website, sites like bert kassie will be much more reliable.

[Fergus52]

It had been my understanding also, but where was there confirmation that the Europa League spot would end up with group stage euro football in either Europa or conference?

I'm hoping it's just something which was updated down the line due to rangers progression in Europe and what I'm reading is all just out of date...

I found an article which says the Europa League place gets into the third qualifying round. This is a round before the playoff... It's the losers of the playoff round that gain entry into the conference league group stages.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scotland-secure-five-places-in-202122-uefa-club-competitions/


"In the Europa League, there will be one place granted to the winners of the 2020/21 Scottish Cup and the club will enter into the Third Qualifying Round of the competition."

It looks like the move to the cup winners getting into the playoff round wouldn't be until 22/23 season. At least according to this:

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/country/23-scotland/

Check this link here: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2021.html

If there had been a conference league played this season then we would have gone in at Q3, but we go in at play off as there is no conference league winner for this season.

[danhibees1875]

A couple of leagues have had their entry points into the Europa league bumped up a position due to there being no winner of the conference league this season. Think it's Scottish and Danish cup winners that are benefiting from it.

Wouldn't trust anything on the SFA website, sites like bert kassie will be much more reliable.




Check this link here: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/AccessList2021.html

If there had been a conference league played this season then we would have gone in at Q3, but we go in at play off as there is no conference league winner for this season.

Cheers guys! :aok:

A quick Google was showing lots of (outdated) articles about qualifying R3 and one article saying about the guaranteed group stage - and that was the daily record!

[green day]

Cheers guys! :aok:

A quick Google was showing lots of (outdated) articles about qualifying R3 and one article saying about the guaranteed group stage - and that was the daily record!

If you look at the table on that site, S Cup winners go in at P0, if they lose and don't make the Europa group, they drop into the Conference group stage.

What's important is that if it's not us that wins the cup, we need it to be Huns so that spot falls to third.

[RIP Bestie]

I don't understand why we seem to struggle against St Johnstone more often than not in the league. They're a bog standard side with very little about them to be worried about on paper anyway.

Some decent enough players but none that I would take at Hibs (case and point the majority of Hibs players who have come from them end up flops). At best they're a well drilled side (I appreciate they won a cup this year but I'm talking more generally over recent history in the league).


Apart from John O'Neil