New Year Derby 2021 - Hibs v Livingston

[S4uzee]

Porteous doing his Jordan Foster impression again today.

Absolutely terrible performance yet again.

Thinks he’s better than he is, a bit like Nisbet

[Robbo6-2]

So you’d expect him to say on Hibs TV that he’s raging and Ross will be getting sacked and all the players will be moved on?

Perhaps that isn’t what will happen and he will continue to work with the manager and coaching staff to ensure we continue to improve.

I don’t know if some of you have people work for you or you work for others but football doesn’t suddenly become a place where being angry and sacking people is the only logical response to what is in the scheme of things a little bit of adversity.
I am not saying sack the management but ffs at least acknowledge that there is major work to do both with the quality of players and improving the mentality of the club.

We are weak as pish water right through the spine of the club from top to bottom. That includes Mathie, our invisible owner, Paul Hanlon to the academy coaches. When you sign for the club you get a gospel about building bricks. WTF

[Aldo]

The guy is not a great right back, going forward he's pretty useless. Defensively he's fine and if we're honest he should be on the bench as a back up CB/RB option while someone capable of getting forward and delivering decent crosses and picking passes that actually make it to a green jersey.

Today wasn't his fault, I could go on all day about the rest of them, but my point is mostly on the fact that we have a club captain that is sitting doing absolutely zero while we have a relegation candidate defender at right back ahead of him.

I think he’s been the most consistent player we have had imho. Yes we could and should be looking at more but there have been worse than him in the team.

David Gray has been an excellent servant to the club and maybe he should be in ahead of PM but I’m not sure why.

Tbh I don’t really know wtf is happening just now. Pretty much every starter could be dropped they’ve been so poor!


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[J-C]

Stop wasting transfer funds on your pals and players you've signed before? :confused:

Stop wasting money on average bottom 6 players. McGinn is a fairly decent RB but if we want to improve we need far better. Gogic is showing why he's not good enough, didn't start playing till he was late teens and has only been playing professional football for 3 years, it really does show. Hate saying it but Stevenson is now finished at this level, seemingly been working with Doig and Mackie who have been saying great things about him, maybe a coaching role for him.

[SaulGoodman]

He could start by exhibiting some - in fact any - passion about Hibs, his role and the prospects for January and then next Summer.

He could look angry about the result and performance, he could suggest that we have some exciting prospects as targets, he could make it clear that nobody at the club is going to be allowed to perform below par.

He could try to explain how the signings and squad development he has been involved in has or will improve the strength in depth of what is available to us.

He could just show language or body language that suggests he's a bit put out by the result.

:agree:

[pedroorange1875]

Porteous doing his Jordan Foster impression again today.

Absolutely terrible performance yet again.

There is a theme there along with the problems we have had at the back for years.. Hanlon.... we need to get rid of him and Stevenson now they are finished. Porteuos will learn nothing from Hanlon and will go the same way as Foster

[cabbageandribs1875]

Fouls


11 v 13


couldn't even win that

[H18S NX]

His job is to 'take the emotion out of it'. **** off Graeme, we want some ****ing emotion put into it..........Spot on m8,that's just a cop out.

[truehibernian]

There is a theme there along with the problems we have had at the back for years.. Hanlon.... we need to get rid of him and Stevenson now they are finished. Porteuos will learn nothing from Hanlon and will go the same way as Foster

Said this a few weeks ago and stand by it. :aok:

Great club servant, not a great centre half these days (Hanlon).

[Hermit Crab]

Said this a few weeks ago and stand by it. :aok:

Great club servant, not a great centre half these days (Hanlon).


I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.

[Jones28]

McGinn has gone from being the POTY candidate to St Mirren standard in the space of 2 games 😂 I’m out.

A lot of people are making good points, and there’s be nothing wrong with Mathie showing some emotion, but remember he’s effectively part of the coaching staff, if slightly removed. Would it do any good for him to lay in to the players on the TV - surely that’s the managers prerogative.

[easty]

There is a theme there along with the problems we have had at the back for years.. Hanlon.... we need to get rid of him and Stevenson now they are finished. Porteuos will learn nothing from Hanlon and will go the same way as Foster

I’ve seen Hanlon blamed for a lot of things on here...but are you blaming him for Jordan Forster not being good enough?

[The 90+2]

Stop wasting money on average bottom 6 players. McGinn is a fairly decent RB but if we want to improve we need far better. Gogic is showing why he's not good enough, didn't start playing till he was late teens and has only been playing professional football for 3 years, it really does show. Hate saying it but Stevenson is now finished at this level, seemingly been working with Doig and Mackie who have been saying great things about him, maybe a coaching role for him.

Yeah totally agree. Nisbet aside the summer window and even January last year Docherty aside recruitment has been rubbish and the gambles clearly aren't happening now. Our best players actually look the younger ones at the moment. God only knows what has happened with Boyle too. He's lost his mojo massively. World Cup year next season and a new contract may be needed so maybe next season but right now he's like a man down. Josh Vela's in the middle of the park sums everything up too.

[Ozyhibby]

Until we sort the middle of the park things won’t get better. We’re not getting enough/anything from the midfield. Protecting the defence? Nah. Creating/assisting - nah. Chipping in with goals? Nope.

[emoji106][emoji122]


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[twiceinathens]

Outfought
Outthought
Outplayed
After decades as a season ticket holder I am used to the at times hysterical reactions(positive and negative) to individual results. Today was a perfect storm -losing goals to particularly horrendous basic defensive errors and completely clueless going forward. Following the mid-week result and performance it is difficult to react rationally. We are in definite danger of collapsing to our average mid table mediocrity.

[The 90+2]

There is a theme there along with the problems we have had at the back for years.. Hanlon.... we need to get rid of him and Stevenson now they are finished. Porteuos will learn nothing from Hanlon and will go the same way as Foster


Porto and Forster comparison is fair at times both used to lunge in and sometimes don't use their brains. That's not Hanlons fault though although he's clearly suffering from form and confidence at the moment.

[where'stheslope]

McGinn has gone from being the POTY candidate to St Mirren standard in the space of 2 games 😂 I’m out.

A lot of people are making good points, and there’s be nothing wrong with Mathie showing some emotion, but remember he’s effectively part of the coaching staff, if slightly removed. Would it do any good for him to lay in to the players on the TV - surely that’s the managers prerogative.
So given your answer why invite him on to the panel in the first place?
Were we hoping for an easy win so he could wax lyrical about his players?
You could feel his embarrassment when asked the first question, and to turn round and say I can't comment on that???
He should never have been near the studio, full stop!!!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

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half a team couldn't stop it

[Liam978]

I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.

Love Paul Hanlon and there is still a place in the team for him. However it has to be along side a commanding centre half. A John McNamee type.

[pedroorange1875]

I’ve seen Hanlon blamed for a lot of things on here...but are you blaming him for Jordan Forster not being good enough?

Nope im mearly stating Porteous is not coming on and faultering now, exactly what happened with Forster.. Hanlon is the constant, and the elder, other centre halfs have used their experience to bring on the younger lads. Its clear his game wont bring on anyone. He is nowhere near as good as some folk on here suggest and neither is Stevenson. Both a constant in an underperforming Hibs decade (bar the cup), or will we just over look that because they are great servants

[S4uzee]

As I said previously but called a jambo, this team will let us down continuously. Zero ‘characters’ and an unbalanced midfield with no real qualities among any of them.

Hanlon/Stevenson fantastic what they have done for Hibs but we need fresh faces and to get rid of the weaker mentality they have carried over the years.

[NC1875]

I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.

+1 here. He’s never been great. Always been soft.

Has been a good servant but never a captain and should never be playing for Hibs now. Porteous will learn nothing from him apart from aimless 60 yard diagonal balls.

[easty]

Nope im mearly stating Porteous is not coming on and faultering now, exactly what happened with Forster.. Hanlon is the constant, and the elder, other centre halfs have used their experience to bring on the younger lads. Its clear his game wont bring on anyone. He is nowhere near as good as some folk on here suggest and neither is Stevenson. Both a constant in an underperforming Hibs decade (bar the cup), or will we just over look that because they are great servants

It still does kind of seem like you’re blaming Hanlon for Forster and Porteous failings.

[wookie70]

Mathie performed the same as the players on the pitch. Disinterested, lacking energy and emotion and deflecting from their responsibilities. Hopefully that will be his last performance in the studio.

[blackpoolhibs]

You have a sporting director who.....never managed, coached, scouted or made it as a player. He brought in half this ***** and built the unbalanced squad.

I'm sure that was entirely Neil Lennon fault.

[1875Sean]

Porto was terrible today, the third goal was school boy stuff, he got away with one midweek letting the ball bounce before heading it and didn’t learn from it today, a centre half is urgently needed

[Scotty Leither]

So you’d expect him to say on Hibs TV that he’s raging and Ross will be getting sacked and all the players will be moved on?

Perhaps that isn’t what will happen and he will continue to work with the manager and coaching staff to ensure we continue to improve.

I don’t know if some of you have people work for you or you work for others but football doesn’t suddenly become a place where being angry and sacking people is the only logical response to what is in the scheme of things a little bit of adversity.

This is Mathie's MO all the time though. He was asked about players like Eckersley and Rherras and Nelom and other assorted dross at the AGM and he refused to be drawn on the "quality" of his signings.

Another who thinks he's untouchable, which is maybe due to his undeserved promotion to Sporting Director; based on what criteria I do not know. He's another expensive passenger at the club, to be honest.

[matty_f]

That was utter dross today. Again, not a single player at it and the manager has his share of the blame as well.

Two absolutely brutal games on the bounce, a huge improvement is required now.

[pedroorange1875]

It still does kind of seem like you’re blaming Hanlon for Forster and Porteous failings.

Fair enough if you cant see the real point. Hanlon is useless now and has never been more than barely average, cant deal with over the top balls as evident again today, cant deal with big physical centre forwards. Positionally suspect, very suspect this season, do i need to point out the last 3 games, with Hagi, the 2nd Ross county goal and the 3rd today. Do you think Porteous in game experience is improving and learning enough from the senior centre half to push him on?

[PH91]

Stevenson - pish
Hanlon - pish
Porteous - turning into pish
Doidge - pish
Boyle - pish

Get rid

I can't make a case for any Hibs player today, every one has been shocking, but does this mean you would keep Gogic, Mallan, Hallberg, Wright? We obviously can't replace our entire team so do you think the 5 you listed are the priority positions for new players?

Defense and forwards have been crap recently but I would say the biggest problem is the midfield. Interestingly, you havn't listed a single midfielder.

[blackpoolhibs]

I can't make a case for any Hibs player today, every one has been shocking, but does this mean you would keep Gogic, Mallan, Hallberg, Wright? We obviously can't replace our entire team so do you think the 5 you listed are the priority positions for new players?

Defense and forwards have been crap recently but I would say the biggest problem is the midfield. Interestingly, you havn't listed a single midfielder.

Our midfield are the problem, Newell is poor whenever pressed, Mallan is just Mallan, he scored a few goal a while back don't you know.

Gogic is a hopeless footballer, but has done well at times closing down and spoiling play.

Again, whatever formation we play, and whatever 2 or 3 we have in the middle, they never take a game by the scruff and control it.

They have been sussed out.

[KingPat4]

Spineless, effortless, apathetic, turgid. When the 3rd goal went in they all wanted off the park for a hot shower.

Gobsmacked at how bad we were today.

[hibeerealist]

I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.


You have HC and many silent netters no doubt felt the same, you were slagged off a lot.

PH is a very nice guy however if I am a centre forward I would love to play against him every week.

He is now being exposed regularly

[Wheat Hound]

This is Mathie's MO all the time though. He was asked about players like Eckersley and Rherras and Nelom and other assorted dross at the AGM and he refused to be drawn on the "quality" of his signings.

Another who thinks he's untouchable, which is maybe due to his undeserved promotion to Sporting Director; based on what criteria I do not know. He's another expensive passenger at the club, to be honest.

Tend to agree.

Mathie talks a good game but with a lot of management speak and generalities.

That's what 7 years or so he's been at Hibs. Porteous aside, no other youth team player has stepped up to become a regular first team player and, SJM aside, have we bought and sold anyone for any sizeable fee in his tenure?

And who is now scrutinising his performance?

Common personality theme in leadership roles between Mathie, JR and Hanlon...

[Jones28]

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So given your answer why invite him on to the panel in the first place?
Were we hoping for an easy win so he could wax lyrical about his players?
You could feel his embarrassment when asked the first question, and to turn round and say I can't comment on that???
He should never have been near the studio, full stop!!!!

With respect that’s got absolutely **** all to do with me mate. IMO the HibsTV offering has been pretty average and I didn’t take the game today.

[easty]

This is Mathie's MO all the time though. He was asked about players like Eckersley and Rherras and Nelom and other assorted dross at the AGM and he refused to be drawn on the "quality" of his signings.

Another who thinks he's untouchable, which is maybe due to his undeserved promotion to Sporting Director; based on what criteria I do not know. He's another expensive passenger at the club, to be honest.

What does he get paid?

[Roxyhibee]

With respect that’s got absolutely **** all to do with me mate. IMO the HibsTV offering has been pretty average and I didn’t take the game today.

Did you not watch the game then mate.?

[B.H.F.C]

Our midfield are the problem, Newell is poor whenever pressed, Mallan is just Mallan, he scored a few goal a while back don't you know.

Gogic is a hopeless footballer, but has done well at times closing down and spoiling play.

Again, whatever formation we play, and whatever 2 or 3 we have in the middle, they never take a game by the scruff and control it.

They have been sussed out.

The thing is, it’s been there to see even in games we’ve won. People have been shot down on the basis that we were winning but you can’t sustain it.

We’ve won games, and will win games between now and the end of the season, because we are capable of being less ***** than a lot of the other ***** in the league.

[Ronniekirk]

Utterly woeful and spineless.

2 new CH’s, a LB, a winger and a CF!

Not sure our budget will stretch to that but wow we were never at the races.

Livi were a team. We looked like JR had went into the street and picked 11 ransoms and asked if they could play.


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Nobody would of paid the Ransom fir any of them based on that nonperformance ffs


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[Alfred E Newman]

Our midfield are the problem, Newell is poor whenever pressed, Mallan is just Mallan, he scored a few goal a while back don't you know.

Gogic is a hopeless footballer, but has done well at times closing down and spoiling play.

Again, whatever formation we play, and whatever 2 or 3 we have in the middle, they never take a game by the scruff and control it.

They have been sussed out.

You are right about being sussed out. The stuff that was working well earlier in the season is certainly not working now. Opposing managers know exactly how to set their team up especially at Easter Road. They sit back and let us square pass the ball at the back , close off Boyle on the wing , wait for the inevitable long diagonal and turn the game into a competition for second balls.
Once you’ve done that you can cut through our powder puff midfield like butter. Add a shaky defence that looks exposed behind that week midfield and you are home and dry.

[MWHIBBIES]

Last time we finished 3rd, Livi beat us 3-0 at home...

[Jones28]

Did you not watch the game then mate.?

Nope gave it a miss this week. Kept up to date and saw clips on WhatsApp.

[Allez Hibs]

I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.

Seems to be a common theme if you disagree with the happy clapper way of thinking you get called a Jambo.

Culture at the club is not pragmatic or tough enough.

I have my doubts Jack Ross will turn out to be a successful manager for Hibs.

[Liam978]

Our midfield are the problem, Newell is poor whenever pressed, Mallan is just Mallan, he scored a few goal a while back don't you know.

Gogic is a hopeless footballer, but has done well at times closing down and spoiling play.

Again, whatever formation we play, and whatever 2 or 3 we have in the middle, they never take a game by the scruff and control it.

They have been sussed out.

Have to say Garry that this must be the first time I have agreed with you.The manager cant hide from the fact that he has been gazumped by Yogi nd the big newcomer.

[Callum_62]

I do wonder why Aberdeen arnt totally out of sight in third by now

It appears that every team in the league has morphed into a L3 outtfit based on here

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[Brightside]

There is a theme there along with the problems we have had at the back for years.. Hanlon.... we need to get rid of him and Stevenson now they are finished. Porteuos will learn nothing from Hanlon and will go the same way as Foster

He’s been better than Porto all season. Both were poor today.

[Cod Boy]

Alex Miller called Ross County’s tactics pre match on Wednesday if he can see it how can’t the manager

[Hermit Crab]

Alex Miller called Ross County’s tactics pre match on Wednesday if he can see it how can’t the manager


:agree:

[marinello59]

I've said it for seasons and been shouted down and called a Jambo for seasons.

All these years I thought you were a miserable ****er and it turns out you are a visionary.:greengrin

[Roxyhibee]

Nope gave it a miss this week. Kept up to date and saw clips on WhatsApp.

Well - it was a gutless, embarrassingly soft performance with zero leadership and we got bullied all over the park.

Same as Wednesday in fact, when I’m certain you started a thread after that game and called out anyone who was critical of the those qualities from our manager, captain and players. In fact, one of your cohorts demanded anyone being negative toward this squad be banned from the site.

[The 90+2]

Last time we finished 3rd, Livi beat us 3-0 at home...

In the middle of pumping Celtic at Parkhead and Hearts at Tynie. With a brilliant attacking easy on the eye team full of confident young players.

Not Ross County.

[The 90+2]

I do wonder why Aberdeen arnt totally out of sight in third by now

It appears that every team in the league has morphed into a L3 outtfit based on here

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They will piss third place. 3 points ahead of us in free fall with two games in hand, beat us twice. There's more chance of them winning their next game than us also.

Top six at best this season unless we get players in this month. GMS and Cadden would be a start. Beg Ambrose to come back.

[MWHIBBIES]

In the middle of pumping Celtic at Parkhead and Hearts at Tynie. With a brilliant attacking easy on the eye team full of confident young players.

Not Ross County.

Just a joke mate

[Jones28]

Well - it was a gutless, embarrassingly soft performance with zero leadership and we got bullied all over the park.

Same as Wednesday in fact, when I’m certain you started a thread after that game and called out anyone who was critical of the those qualities from our manager, captain and players. In fact, one of your cohorts demanded anyone being negative toward this squad be banned from the site.

I did, and you’re getting it completely wrong. I wasn’t calling out everyone who had negative comments, I was asking for a bit more in the way of balance.

It’s clear from today that there are no positives, hence the lack of threads of a similar nature. So I’m not sure why you’re choosing to have a go at me.

I had no cohorts, only people who agreed with me. I do not agree that negative comments merit bans EVER.

[The 90+2]

Just a joke mate


Sorry man. Not in the mood to get it :aok:

Least they hearts ***** are losing.

[Callum_62]

They will piss third place. 3 points ahead of us in free fall with two games in hand, beat us twice. There's more chance of them winning their next game than us also.

Top six at best this season unless we get players in this month. GMS and Cadden would be a start. Beg Ambrose to come back.Next 2 games are rangers at home and livi away

Considering how unbelievably bad the rest of the league supposedly is, there fans must be raging they arnt already well clear of us

Was Efe playing for Livi earlier in the season. ?

I knew he went through a period out the team but not sure why and he looked every bit as composed as I remember

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[The 90+2]

Next 2 games are rangers at home and livi away

Considering how unbelievably bad the rest of the league supposedly is, there fans must be raging they arnt already well clear of us

Was Ede playing for Livi?

I knew he went through a period out the team but looked every bit as composed as I remember

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We have Celtic away Killie home, Rangers away.

Efe utterly strolled today. Criminal we didn't get him back. He wasn't match fit having been a year out when he played earlier I'm sure.

Aberdeen are third, as per usual. Easily beating the team in fourth twice.

[Callum_62]

We have Celtic away Killie home, Rangers away.

Efe utterly strolled today. Criminal we didn't get him back. He wasn't match fit having been a year out when he played earlier I'm sure.

Aberdeen are third, as per usual. Easily beating the team in fourth twice.So nine points then [emoji106][emoji23]

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[The 90+2]

So nine points then [emoji106][emoji23]

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:greengrin

[Squealing pig]

Perfect timing to have 2 bad results as much as it’s brutal , window open add some quality to midfield cause we’re crying out for it

[Liam978]

Good on Martindale for grabbing this opportunity after his period of correction. He was there before Holt and now finds himself in prime position. strange goings on from a strange club. OK he gained a degree whilst in incarsaration . My question is what was his degree that propelled him to win 7 games in a row. Just wondering like.

[SweetDreams]

We have Celtic away Killie home, Rangers away.

Efe utterly strolled today. Criminal we didn't get him back. He wasn't match fit having been a year out when he played earlier I'm sure.

Aberdeen are third, as per usual. Easily beating the team in fourth twice.

Efe Ambrose is better than any defender we have.

[SweetDreams]

Perfect timing to have 2 bad results as much as it’s brutal , window open add some quality to midfield cause we’re crying out for it

We need the likes of Allan and Magennis back.

[The 90+2]

Efe Ambrose is better than any defender we have.

Indeed. He would also stroll it in midfield.

[SweetDreams]

Indeed. He would also stroll it in midfield.

One of the best signings we made under Lennon’s tenure. Enjoyed watching him every time he played.

[Feed McGraw]

We have more cardboard cutouts than they have real fans but they looked like a much better side than us, today anyway.

[cabbageandribs1875]

we were like girl band fc today










:(

[500miles]

Indeed. He would also stroll it in midfield.

He wouldn't, wouldn't have enough time on the ball.

[SweetDreams]

He wouldn't, wouldn't have enough time on the ball.

Step up from Gogic anyway!

[Liam978]

We have more cardboard cutouts than they have real fans but they looked like a much better side than us, today anyway.

Why though I've already asked in an earlier post. Some strange goings on. Again.

[Hermit Crab]

All these years I thought you were a miserable ****er and it turns out you are a visionary.:greengrin


Haha, heres another vision. We won't win that cup with Jack Ross picking the team and formation.

[The 90+2]

He wouldn't, wouldn't have enough time on the ball.

He makes space and time imo. We are far, far too rushed with no composure. One of the biggest problems. Too many players ****ing themselves on the ball and looking to play hot tattie.

[MWHIBBIES]

Indeed. He would also stroll it in midfield.

He was dreadful when he played midfield for us. He definitely wouldn't stroll it.

[The 90+2]

He was dreadful when he played midfield for us. He definitely wouldn't stroll it.

Have you seen our midfield? It couldn't have possibly been as bad as our last two games. I would have him there or at right back even before instantly becoming our best CH.

[hibee-boys]

We need the likes of Allan and Magennis back.

Magennis back?......has he been here yet!🤔

[cabbageandribs1875]

Efe Ambrose is better than any defender we have.


he's done a lot of damage to his lungs today with all they cigars he was smoking

[MWHIBBIES]

Have you seen our midfield? It couldn't have possibly been as bad as our last two games. I would have him there or at right back even before instantly becoming our best CH.

Right, but it was awful when he played there. Our current midfielders have all played many better games there than Ambrose ever has.

[HFC 0-7]

We need the likes of Allan and Magennis back.

Allan will take quite a while to get back up to speed, I would imagine when he does come back he will be a bit like Newell, outstanding some games and anonymous in others until he is up to speed.

[Itsnoteasy]

Allan will take quite a while to get back up to speed, I would imagine when he does come back he will be a bit like Newell, outstanding some games and anonymous in others until he is up to speed.

Allan will be like Allan when fit or half fit. Outstanding some games & anonymous in most.

[EI255]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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[J-C]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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:rolleyes:

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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Poor hygiene?

[MWHIBBIES]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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How has there been poor investment?

[SaulGoodman]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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Starting to regret defending you earlier tbh

[WeeRussell]

I didn’t mean you had said it, just wondered how it was possible

A late and now irrelevant response but no worries 👍 my misreading during a poor day for moods amongst Hibs fans today.

I’d like to pretend I’m mature enough that the hearts results hasn’t improved that mood just a little ;)

[Jim44]

Poor team.

Poor investment.

What else can we expect?

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Poor supporters.:dunno:

[Hermit Crab]

Poor supporters.:dunno:


Aye, we're all skint!!