Celtic away moved to Monday night/Celtic player tests positive

[B.H.F.C]

Hopefully the NHS are just working through their processes and the close contacts will all be in isolation soon enough.

Looking at it purely from a football perspective, this could be a break for us. Concern is the SPFL then let them postpone and choose when they want to play the game.

[SteveHFC]

That’s a cracking price.

Sky bet have it for 25/1

[Smartie]

I just do not get the clamour for the Scottish game to be pulled but I do think there will be tough questions to be asked over this situation. Players have to take regular tests and if one of their players has tested positive then the Glasgow Health Board will be involved and assess the risk. If they decide there has not been adequate isolation, or they are unable to establish what rules have and have not been broken, sadly I’d expect the game to be cancelled.
Personally I want to see games continue under safe rules but if clubs break the rules. They have to forfeit the game.
Fingers crossed the game goes ahead, seeing Hibs play is one of the few releases from the current crisis and trying to stay within the rules.

The clamour comes because clubs and authorities have shown themselves up, time and time again, as being incapable of making sensible decisions and keeping people safe.

I should add, quietly - Hibs have been fairly exemplary throughout, as far as I can tell. Bolingoli, Aberdeen players out on the piss, Killie Hamilton and St Mirren having issues, United's team photo, Scotland players catching it on international duty, this Celtic trip - Hibs have avoided controversy throughout.

Possibly a sign that we're a well-run club?

I'd want us to be all over this, however...

[ancient hibee]

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but I heard from a Celtic pal that supposedly Duffy left Dubai early for family reasons. May give them a tiny chance to get away with this if he is the positive case whilst he's been away from the squad.

If that is the situation then they’re not getting away with anything are they? Would you expect us to be punished if one of our players is infected by a family member?

[18Craig75]

We’re all quick to rip the p*** out of Hearts and Rangers for the ridiculously statements, yet some would have the Hibs board jump in 2 foot tonight in the same manner.

We’ll be doing things through the proper channels and collecting all info, and then if there’s a benefit to going public we will.

[H18 SFR]

Do you seriously think any other club outside of the Old Firm would've got permission to move a game against the Old Firm back 48 hours - especially when the opponents rejected the request?

Just imagine that conversation....

"Hi Neil see that game against Celtic in a couple of months. Can we move it back to the Monday?"

"Ah I've checked with Celtic and they don't want to."

"Ah well we've kind of already booked the tickets to Dubai so you're going to need to move it anyway."

"Oh okay in that case I'll let them know it's happening anyhow."

No non-OF club gets to move the fixture against the wishes of their opponent in the first place.

No non-OF club gets to create a winter break out of thin air.

No non-OF club gets approval to jet off to Dubai during a pandemic.

No non-OF club gets allowed to go on the trip despite cases rising massively throughout December.

No non-OF club gets away with punishment despite players being photographed mingling with the public out in Dubai.

You've got to be kidding me if you think that's not at some level corruption?

Maybe best you check the meaning of the word corruption.

[Keith_M]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.


Good advice.

There's a couple of drama queens on here tonight but I think most people are willing to wait and see what happens.

[easty]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.

Who cares what Tam McManus thinks?

[Since90+2]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.

He's probably right to be fair. I include myself in that half the time.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Good advice.

There's a couple of drama queens on here tonight but I think most people are willing to wait and see what happens.

If Hibs haven’t released a statement by 6.25pm saying they won’t play and that Peter Lawell is a dick then I’m taking this to the streets.

[Billy Whizz]

If the game is postponed due to Celtic breaking protocols. The decision that St Mirren and Killie are appealing at Thursdays hearing, will apply to our game

[Souter96Mac]

If that is the situation then they’re not getting away with anything are they? Would you expect us to be punished if one of our players is infected by a family member?

I'm not saying they should get away with it, just wanted to add that detail to the conversation

[Coco Bryce]

He's probably right to be fair. I include myself in that half the time.

And me 😂

[weecounty hibby]

I would be raging with Hibs if we had done what celtic did. I don't care if it had been bought and paid for it isnadisgrace that they went ahead with the trip. Whoever sanctioned it should be sacked, what a PR disaster. Even their own fans are having a go at them over this.

[jeffers]

If Hibs haven’t released a statement by 6.25pm saying they won’t play and that Peter Lawell is a dick then I’m taking this to the streets.

Don’t take it to my street, it’s still quite slippy.

[degenerated]

This must be about the only positive of the season so far for Celtic :greengrin

[Barney McGrew]

We’re all quick to rip the p*** out of Hearts and Rangers for the ridiculously statements, yet some would have the Hibs board jump in 2 foot tonight in the same manner.

We’ll be doing things through the proper channels and collecting all info, and then if there’s a benefit to going public we will.


All it would take is something from Hibs to say they note that there has been a positive case, and that they will monitor the situation and liaise with the necessary authorities ahead of tomorrow’s match to ensure the safety of all club staff.

[04Sauzee]

@lindabauld tweets


I'd be very confident that any contacts including while travelling will be required to self-isolate, using existing definitions of a close contact. Plus the club needs to ensure that the player is isolating. That will protect others. Quite astonishing that they went to Dubai.

[CMurdoch]

Who cares what Tam McManus thinks?

Sorry Easty it's a daft wee in joke involving one of my posts that he quoted on his twitter account

[jeffers]

Not that I think the club has fallen apart since she left, but this is the sort of thing I’d have expected LD to take up on our behalf. I wonder who will do it now.

[mcohibs]

All it would take is something from Hibs to say they note that there has been a positive case, and that they will monitor the situation and liaise with the necessary authorities ahead of tomorrow’s match to ensure the safety of all club staff.

Do you not think that the club will be doing that already anyway? That's a rather nothing statement to put out. Let them get on with it, I'm sure we'll communicate something as and when necessary. Ball is in celtic's court for the time being

[Billy Whizz]

Not that I think the club has fallen apart since she left, but this is the sort of thing I’d have expected LD to take up on our behalf. I wonder who will do it now.

Why should Hibs comment, it’s out of their hands at the moment
I’m sure behind the scenes there will be some discussions though

[JohnMcM]

I make this post in the knowledge the overall picture is still unclear, but there is a significant factor waiting in the wings to come out roaring.

The The's will have an interest in the outcome of this. A 3 point forfeit by Celtic surely hands them the title.

Dare the SPFL do it, dare they not do it. This could be interesting.

[CMurdoch]

@lindabauld tweets


I'd be very confident that any contacts including while travelling will be required to self-isolate, using existing definitions of a close contact. Plus the club needs to ensure that the player is isolating. That will protect others. Quite astonishing that they went to Dubai.

That's a painful jab from someone with credibility

[Since90+2]

I make this post in the knowledge the overall picture is still unclear, but there is a significant factor waiting in the wings to come out roaring.

The The's will have an interest in the outcome of this. A 3 point forfeit by Celtic surely hands them the title.

Dare the SPFL do it, dare they not do it. This could be interesting.

Nah. The league is already done. Sevco are 22 points ahead of Celtic, games in hand or not Celtic are never making that up.

If it was tight at the top then they'd really have a tough decision on their hands. Even Celtic and their fans know the league is gone.

[BILLYHIBS]

Not that I think the club has fallen apart since she left, but this is the sort of thing I’d have expected LD to take up on our behalf. I wonder who will do it now.
:agree:

This

[easty]

Sorry Easty it's a daft wee in joke involving one of my posts that he quoted on his twitter account

:aok:

[JohnMcM]

Nah. The league is already done. Sevco are 22 points ahead of Celtic, games in hand or not Celtic are never making that up.

If it was tight at the top then they'd really have a tough decision on their hands. Even Celtic and their fans know the league is gone.

Yeah. You're probably right, I got my sums wrong.

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1348312044848738308?s=21

[jeffers]

Why should Hibs comment, it’s out of their hands at the moment
I’m sure behind the scenes there will be some discussions though

I’m not interested in a comment Billy, it’s the behind the scenes stuff I’m referring to.

[the tornadoe]

Hibs need to be very careful here... as employers they have a duty of care to their employees whilst at their workplace. Knowing full well there is a very good chance several of the Celtic players have a very realistic chance of being infected, should Celtic field a team full of Dubai travellers Hibs should refuse to take the field.
If a Hibs player were to contract the virus tomorrow evening then potentially take it home to their families the potential implications are unthinkable.
I would like to think Hibs are in communication with the SFA, League,and the authorities.........

[bingo70]

Hibs need to be very careful here... as employers they have a duty of care to their employees whilst at their workplace. Knowing full well there is a very good chance several of the Celtic players have a very realistic chance of being infected, should Celtic field a team full of Dubai travellers Hibs should refuse to take the field.
If a Hibs player were to contract the virus tomorrow evening then potentially take it home to their families the potential implications are unthinkable.
I would like to think Hibs are in communication with the SFA, League,and the authorities.........

Couldn’t agree more.

One of our players is type 1 diabetic, we can’t gamble with this or assume ‘it’ll probably be alright’. A negative test doesn’t mean the other Dubai travellers don’t have it, it could just mean it’s not shown up in testing yet. That’s why protocols are in place to ensure people isolate, even if they test negative.

[Peevemor]

Hibs need to be very careful here... as employers they have a duty of care to their employees whilst at their workplace. Knowing full well there is a very good chance several of the Celtic players have a very realistic chance of being infected, should Celtic field a team full of Dubai travellers Hibs should refuse to take the field.
If a Hibs player were to contract the virus tomorrow evening then potentially take it home to their families the potential implications are unthinkable.
I would like to think Hibs are in communication with the SFA, League,and the authorities.........If the SPFL deem that the match should go ahead tomorrow and Hibs refuse to play then we'll forfeit the match and Celtic will be awarded a 3-0 win. If after a couple of weeks it turns out that no other Celtic players are infected then we'll look pretty daft.

I trust the authorities to do the right thing once they have all the relevant information. They know that the SG will be looking over their shoulder so won't risk screwing things up more, Celtic or not.

[hibbysam]

Why should Hibs comment, it’s out of their hands at the moment
I’m sure behind the scenes there will be some discussions though

Hibs should be commenting on it putting all sorts of pressure on the authorities, our players shouldn’t be taking to the pitch tomorrow, simple as that. Doesn’t matter what they tell us or what safeguards they put in place, unless we are playing a team of players that never went to Dubai then we shouldn’t be playing and we should be relaying that info publicly. Far too many of their players could be in an incubation period, and the last thing we want is for loads of our players to be testing positive next week.

[hibbysam]

If the SPFL deem that the match should go ahead tomorrow and Hibs refuse to play then we'll forfeit the match and Celtic will be awarded a 3-0 win. If after a couple of weeks it turns out that no other Celtic players are infected then we'll look pretty daft.

I trust the authorities to do the right thing once they have all the relevant information. They know that the SG will be looking over their shoulder so won't risk screwing things up more, Celtic or not.

That’s a risk, a gamble even. We’d be gambling tomorrow on our players health and potentially their families lives. They ‘might’ test negative in the coming weeks, but why should we gamble with that now knowing the likelihood of the risk involved? If they want to give us a 3-0 defeat for protecting our players and public’s welfare then fair play to them.

[Unseen work]

How can St Mirren get a match forfeited for having players too close together on a team bus but Celtic can get off with travelling to Dubai for a week, catching Covid and coming back expecting to play a game?

Im not one for a team being awarded points but Celtic shouldn’t be allowed to play tomorrow and it shouldn’t be postponed.

Theyve brought this on themselves and should have to face the punishments of potentially forfeiting the game.

When did they get back? Yesterday?

Surely you would need 4 days back and have to have a couple of tests at the start and end? Even though 1 has tested positive I imagine another couple will develop symptoms over the coming days.

[Peevemor]

Hibs should be commenting on it putting all sorts of pressure on the authorities, our players shouldn’t be taking to the pitch tomorrow, simple as that. Doesn’t matter what they tell us or what safeguards they put in place, unless we are playing a team of players that never went to Dubai then we shouldn’t be playing and we should be relaying that info publicly. Far too many of their players could be in an incubation period, and the last thing we want is for loads of our players to be testing positive next week.What difference will Hibs commenting publicly make to any of that?

[HibeeHibernian4]

At the very least we have to be pushing for finding out who the positive Celtic player's "close contacts" were.

When Armstrong tested positive for coronavirus before the Israel game, Christie and Tierney had to isolate too as they were identified as close contacts: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12017/12098336/stuart-armstrong-tests-positive-for-covid-19-kieran-tierney-ryan-christie-to-self-isolate

What's the betting that Celtic are in charge of determining who was a close contact and that by some minor miracle none/only reserve players are deemed to be close contacts who must miss tomorrow's game?

[Billy Whizz]

What difference will Hibs commenting publicly make to any of that?

Exactly

[hibbysam]

What difference will Hibs commenting publicly make to any of that?

Pressure, pressure from other fans, pressure on the SG, pressure on the footballing authorities, a clear defence of our teams health and well-being. Fairly simple.

[Peevemor]

That’s a risk, a gamble even. We’d be gambling tomorrow on our players health and potentially their families lives. They ‘might’ test negative in the coming weeks, but why should we gamble with that now knowing the likelihood of the risk involved? If they want to give us a 3-0 defeat for protecting our players and public’s welfare then fair play to them.Don't you think that there will be people who'll have all the information to hand and who'll be more qualified to make a decision than either of us.

[hibbysam]

Don't you think that there will be people who'll have all the information to hand and who'll be more qualified to make a decision than either of us.

Those people have been telling us for months about incubation periods for self isolation purposes, hence how Joe Public know all about that now.

[Peevemor]

Pressure, pressure from other fans, pressure on the SG, pressure on the footballing authorities, a clear defence of our teams health and well-being. Fairly simple.I don't think it'd make any difference whatsoever.

[Since90+2]

If it looks like the SPFL want the game to go ahead with Celtic's full team Hibs should call their bluff and say we will not be fielding a team.

I can't see that in anyway shape or form we could be penalised for putting the health of club employees first.

[Blaster]

Pressure, pressure from other fans, pressure on the SG, pressure on the footballing authorities, a clear defence of our teams health and well-being. Fairly simple.

I think there will be plenty pressure from everyone without Hibs needing to go public. Depending on the exact circumstances of how the player caught it, it may be the final straw for the Govt with the season being halted.

Now that wouldn’t suit Celtic. Would it......🤔

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hibs need to be very careful here... as employers they have a duty of care to their employees whilst at their workplace. Knowing full well there is a very good chance several of the Celtic players have a very realistic chance of being infected, should Celtic field a team full of Dubai travellers Hibs should refuse to take the field.
If a Hibs player were to contract the virus tomorrow evening then potentially take it home to their families the potential implications are unthinkable.
I would like to think Hibs are in communication with the SFA, League,and the authorities.........

Tume to step up uncle Rodders...

[Andy74]

Doubt Hibs will be too bothered to be honest. The players have all been tested. A player, or players could equally have tested positive staying here.

[Peevemor]

Doubt Hibs will be too bothered to be honest. The players have all been tested. A player, or players could equally have tested positive staying here.Oh crikey! You're for it now!

[bingo70]

Doubt Hibs will be too bothered to be honest. The players have all been tested. A player, or players could equally have tested positive staying here.

In similar situations before though, players have had to isolate, regardless of a negative test.

The same rules have got to apply to Celtic.

[davhibby]

At the very least we have to be pushing for finding out who the positive Celtic player's "close contacts" were.

When Armstrong tested positive for coronavirus before the Israel game, Christie and Tierney had to isolate too as they were identified as close contacts: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12017/12098336/stuart-armstrong-tests-positive-for-covid-19-kieran-tierney-ryan-christie-to-self-isolate

What's the betting that Celtic are in charge of determining who was a close contact and that by some minor miracle none/only reserve players are deemed to be close contacts who must miss tomorrow's game?

If Celtic lie to the Government/NHS about the contacts of the player and other guys ended up testing positive and they were found out then not only would they be in trouble but football would almost certainly be stopped. Things like the seating arrangements on the plane will be accessed through the airport or airline so not sure how Celtic could do anything about that anyway

[hibbyfraelibby]

If it looks like the SPFL want the game to go ahead with Celtic's full team Hibs should call their bluff and say we will not be fielding a team.

I can't see that in anyway shape or form we could be penalised for putting the health of club employees first.
You sre correct. The Health and Safery At Work Act 1974 applies SPFL or not.

[Chorley Hibee]

I'll use my own experience of Covid as an example of why Hibs shouldn't be taking to the field tomorrow evening.

My wife and daughter came down with symptoms and tested positive. At the same time (due to working in social care) I also took a test, and mine came back negative.

I was however instructed to isolate, despite testing negative.

4 days later I became unwell, and subsequently tested positive after taking another test.

Let's see if the same rules are applied.

[hibbysam]

Doubt Hibs will be too bothered to be honest. The players have all been tested. A player, or players could equally have tested positive staying here.

They could’ve, however they then wouldn’t have spent hours on a plane, day after day mingling, sharing a hotel, transport to and from an airport, and then plane back all while having the virus, with the possibility of passing it on to others in that team, who will then take to the field tomorrow.

Their tests mean absolutely heehaw when they only came back yesterday, knowing fine well the virus can incubate for days and not be picked up.

[Since90+2]

I'll use my own experience of Covid as an example of why Hibs shouldn't be taking to the field tomorrow evening.

My wife and daughter came down with symptoms and tested positive. At the same time (due to working in social care) I also took a test, and mine came back negative.

I was however instructed to isolate despite testing negative.

4 days later I became unwell and subsequently tested positive after taking another test.

Let's see if the same rules are applied.

Exactly. The negative tests at this moment don't mean that they won't potentially later test positive, potentially infecting Hibs players tomorrow night in the meantime.

[Andy74]

Exactly. The negative tests at this moment don't mean that they won't potentially later test positive, potentially infecting Hibs players tomorrow night in the meantime.

Same applies every week though. We wouldn’t play any games on this basis.

[Rumble de Thump]

I doubt Celtic employees would have been chilling next to each other on sun loungers if they'd stayed in Glasgow but you never know.

[Since90+2]

Same applies every week though. We wouldn’t play any games on this basis.

Players won't have been spending 7 hours in an air tight container with an infected player every week though.

[hibbysam]

Same applies every week though. We wouldn’t play any games on this basis.

Why not? Clubs when they are here follow the protocols off the pitch (and if they don’t the games don’t go ahead - st mirren, killie). Players don’t share accomodation, share planes, share transport to and from airport when in the UK. If you can’t see the difference here then fair enough.

[Jay]

Same applies every week though. We wouldn’t play any games on this basis.

You have to assume most weeks the players have not been in contact with anybody who is positive.

[Keith_M]

Doubt Hibs will be too bothered to be honest. The players have all been tested. A player, or players could equally have tested positive staying here.


True, but they wouldn't have then sat for eight hours in a plane with all their team-mates, or shared a hotel room with them for a week.

Ergo, a completely different situation.

The rules are that anyone in close contact with a player that tested positive has to isolate, regardless of the results of their own test. Those rules have already been applied to other players.

[Since90+2]

You have to assume most weeks the players have not been in contact with anybody who is positive.

And certainly not sitting in an aeroplane in a confined space with an infected colleague for 7 hours.

[Andy74]

Why not? Clubs when they are here follow the protocols off the pitch (and if they don’t the games don’t go ahead - st mirren, killie). Players don’t share accomodation, share planes, share transport to and from airport when in the UK. If you can’t see the difference here then fair enough.

They are also let loose in the wild every week.

I get the issue with them going abroad. I think it was stupid at this point more how it looks than anything else for them but don’t really think there’s a lot of increased risk for us playing them.

[Jim44]

If it looks like the SPFL want the game to go ahead with Celtic's full team Hibs should call their bluff and say we will not be fielding a team.

I can't see that in anyway shape or form we could be penalised for putting the health of club employees first.

I think you’re being a bit naive if you think we wouldn’t be penalised for not fielding a team if the SPFL insists the game goes ahead. That not withstanding, I would be impressed if Hibs took a stand and forfeited the points, in the interests of our players’ health and safety. I think we would come out of this issue in a more favourable light than Celtic. The only dissent would come from Ibrox.

[Peevemor]

True, but they wouldn't have then sat for eight hours in a plane with all their team-mates, or shared a hotel room with them for a week.

Ergo, a completely different situation.

The rules are that anyone in close contact with a player that tested positive has to isolate, regardless of the results of their own test. Those rules have already been applied to other players.And that's where it could get awkward IMO.

What happens if Celtic name the infected player's roommate and say 2 players who were too close to him on the plane.

Therefore they have 1 infected + contact cases out for the match which otherwise goes ahead.

Should Hibs refuse to play knowing we'll forfeit the match?

[hibbysam]

They are also let loose in the wild every week.

I get the issue with them going abroad. I think it was stupid at this point more how it looks than anything else for them but don’t really think there’s a lot of increased risk for us playing them.

And are expected to follow the guidance the same as the rest of us, distancing and masks etc.

This player for Celtic obviously had the virus before their trip due to incubation period, to then spend 4/5 days and two 7/8 hour plan journeys with his team-mates brings a huge increase in risk, especially as this new strain supposedly travels 70% faster.

[bingo70]

They are also let loose in the wild every week.

I get the issue with them going abroad. I think it was stupid at this point more how it looks than anything else for them but don’t really think there’s a lot of increased risk for us playing them.

Why did about 10 or 11 of the Scotland Under 21s have to isolate when they returned from travelling abroad even though they tested negative?

[Rumble de Thump]

There have been photos and videos showing that Celtic players didn't socially distance while abroad. John Kennedy has admitted that there were protocol breaches and now they have a case of the virus within their camp. Surely at least a few people will need to self isolate.

[Billy Whizz]

Why did about 10 or 11 of the Scotland Under 21s have to isolate when they returned from travelling abroad even though they tested negative?

Same as Gogic, that’s the rules

[The dalmeny]

I'll use my own experience of Covid as an example of why Hibs shouldn't be taking to the field tomorrow evening.

My wife and daughter came down with symptoms and tested positive. At the same time (due to working in social care) I also took a test, and mine came back negative.

I was however instructed to isolate, despite testing negative.

4 days later I became unwell, and subsequently tested positive after taking another test.

Let's see if the same rules are applied.


hope you’re all ok now

[Since90+2]

I think you’re being a bit naive if you think we wouldn’t be penalised for not fielding a team if the SPFL insists the game goes ahead. That not not withstanding, I would be impressed if Hibs took a stand and forfeited the points, in the interests of our players’ health and safety. I think we would come out of this issue in a more favourable light than Celtic. The only dissent would come from Ibrox.

Not when they've already applied the same rules this season. They'd not have a leg to stand on and I'd expect Hibs to challenge the decision if they did.

Gogic and the Aberdeen players had to isolate under the exact same set of circumstances.

[NC1875]

Same applies every week though. We wouldn’t play any games on this basis.

Not every team has been on a jolly to Dubai whilst sharing planes, minibuses, taxis, rooms etc

[B.H.F.C]

Why did about 10 or 11 of the Scotland Under 21s have to isolate when they returned from travelling abroad even though they tested negative?

Because the NHS told them to. I expect similar to happen tomorrow once they’ve done their bit.

[bingo70]

Because the NHS told them to. I expect similar to happen tomorrow once they’ve done their bit.

Exactly.

If they don’t then I think we need to question why, on the face of it, it’s 2 identical scenarios.

[Chorley Hibee]

hope you’re all ok now

Fine mate, thanks for asking.

[Keith_M]

They are also let loose in the wild every week.

I get the issue with them going abroad. I think it was stupid at this point more how it looks than anything else for them but don’t really think there’s a lot of increased risk for us playing them.


I think you're ignoring the differences in the situation and also which rules apply.

[Since90+2]

The health of the players is the most important thing here but let's not forget we also have a cup semi final in 13 days. If any playes were to catch covid tomorrow night with the incubation period and testing they'd be out of that game.

The players will be firstly concerned about their health but they also wont be too happy about risking being put out of a national cup semi final through no fault of their own.

[Coach Jon]

If Celtic are claiming that the player who has tested positive has no contacts who need to self isolate, then that is BS, and Hibs have a duty of care to their employees and their families so we have no choice but to refuse to play the game tomorrow...end of.

[southern hibby]

Questions I’d like answers too is.

When did they find out a player had COVID and if it was in Dubai did he isolate there or come home?

I really do believe if he was tested positive abroad he should be made to isolate immediately and not be able to fly and put peoples lives at risk. Not saying he did fly home but imagine the storm that would ensue if the Scottish Government found out that Celtic are in breach of numerous isolation rules.


GGTTH

[Since90+2]

Questions I’d like answers too is.

When did they find out a player had COVID and if it was in Dubai did he isolate there or come home?

I really do believe if he was tested positive abroad he should be made to isolate immediately and not be able to fly and put peoples lives at risk. Not saying he did fly home but imagine the storm that would ensue if the Scottish Government found out that Celtic are in breach of numerous isolation rules.


GGTTH

They were only tested on Friday so it doesn't appear they knew he was positive until last night.

[Since452]

The game can't go ahead surely? With the incubation period the chances are far more than one of them has it. Really hope Hibs pull out. Health far more important.

[gbhibby]

The SPFL got themselves into a mess by the punishments handed out to killie and St Mirren. The game will go ahead tomorrow. Aston Villa had to play a team of youngsters to fulfil their fixture against Liverpool so Celtic might have to do the same. Celtic are responsible for this as they did not need to go on the trip. Football is fortunate position being allowed to carry on so clubs and players need to act responsibly or the season might be brought to a grinding halt. Christ, we are in a middle of a global pandemic so we all need to put things into perspective.

[Since90+2]

If Celtic had been clear in 2nd place I actually think they might have fielded an under 21 side voluntarily. They are aware it's been a massive PR blunder and they would have been keen to try and turn that around by being seen to do the right thing.

As it stands though they are not even certain of finishing 2nd so will want the game to go ahead as normal or be postponed.

[Billy Whizz]

They were only tested on Friday so it doesn't appear they knew he was positive until last night.

John Kennedy said on his sportsound interview yesterday, that were tested when they arrived, and were expecting the results around today

[Since90+2]

John Kennedy said on his sportsound interview yesterday, that were tested when they arrived, and were expecting the results around today

Was it not Friday they arrived back?

[Billy Whizz]

Was it not Friday they arrived back?

It was Friday when they got back and were tested
Probably got the results yesterday/last night, and thought about what they do/say
They were in training on Saturday as well, so we don’t know if the infected player trained either

[southern hibby]

they were only tested on friday so it doesn't appear they knew he was positive until last night.


👍

ggtth

[Barney McGrew]

When did they find out a player had COVID and if it was in Dubai did he isolate there or come home?

The Emirati authorities will not let you travel into country without proof of a negative test within 96 hours of departure.

Chances are therefore that whoever has tested positive caught it out there - case numbers in the UAE have gone through the roof in the last few weeks, likely as a consequence of all the U.K. visitors that were there over Christmas.

[Sylar]

It was Friday when they got back and were tested
Probably got the results yesterday/last night, and thought about what they do/say
They were in training on Saturday as well, so we don’t know if the infected player trained either

Given they were only away for a week, it could be argued that he had Covid-19 before they left for Dubai but it hadn't gone through the full incubation period to show up as a positive test. While that would mean he didn't catch it in Dubai, I'd be guessing he was part of the circle of players eating, socialising, travelling etc in close proximity to other players.

Utter farce that we're now in this position, even though it was so damned predictable. I doubt I'm alone in being pretty angry about this.

[Just_Jimmy]

Game should be postponed and Hibs should be awarded a 3-0 win.

the whole thing is a farce.

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[A Hi-Bee]

Given they were only away for a week, it could be argued that he had Covid-19 before they left for Dubai but it hadn't gone through the full incubation period to show up as a positive test. While that would mean he didn't catch it in Dubai, I'd be guessing he was part of the circle of players eating, socialising, travelling etc in close proximity to other players.

Utter farce that we're now in this position, even though it was so damned predictable. I doubt I'm alone in being pretty angry about this.

Covid is worse in Dubia than Glasgow they should never have been anywhere near the place, be interesting to see what the Scot Gov and the GFA do or say and even more interesting to see if Hibs say anything.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Scott Allan Key]

Couldn’t agree more.

One of our players is type 1 diabetic, we can’t gamble with this or assume ‘it’ll probably be alright’. A negative test doesn’t mean the other Dubai travellers don’t have it, it could just mean it’s not shown up in testing yet. That’s why protocols are in place to ensure people isolate, even if they test negative.Gogic had a negative test but had to self isolate as a precaution. Does that not apply to Celtic's players too?

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[bingo70]

Game should be postponed and Hibs should be awarded a 3-0 win.

the whole thing is a farce.

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Don’t see why it should be postponed.

The game should go ahead with players that are available to Celtic. If that means playing a team of young players that’s what should happen.

[hibbysam]

The Emirati authorities will not let you travel into country without proof of a negative test within 96 hours of departure.

Chances are therefore that whoever has tested positive caught it out there - case numbers in the UAE have gone through the roof in the last few weeks, likely as a consequence of all the U.K. visitors that were there over Christmas.

Players would’ve been tested before old firm tie. More than likely in the incubation period at that point as they were only away for 5 days or so, therefore tested negative last week, but in reality had the virus for the full trip.

[Barney McGrew]

Players would’ve been tested before old firm tie. More than likely in the incubation period at that point as they were only away for 5 days or so, therefore tested negative last week, but in reality had the virus for the full trip.

If that’s the timeline then it’s a stick on that more players will test positive this week having picked it up from the player who has it now.

[Billy Whizz]

If that’s the timeline then it’s a stick on that more players will test positive this week having picked it up from the player who has it now.

They’ll request a postponement then, like Killie and Saints did

[A Hi-Bee]

To err on the side of caution as it's peoples health and sometimes lifes at stake we should be awarded a 0-3 result, then imho the football should be closed down with the results as they stand, astrix for the hun and stay doon for the diet huns, it is the only logical conclusion I can think that looks after the safety of all.

:flag::flag::flag:

[Northernhibee]

Playing a youth team could benefit Celtic. They're not making up a 22pt gap (even with the games in hand) so play the youngsters for a couple of weeks, lose those games and give it the "We were confident we could make up the gap before this happened but we had no other choice" to add on top of the "it was never a red in the derby" (even though it was) and any other grievance they could possibly pretend to have.

[bingo70]

Gogic had a negative test but had to self isolate as a precaution. Does that not apply to Celtic's players too?

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Gogic situation is different as he received a positive covid test initially. I don’t know why they bothered with the two subsequent tests that showed it was a false positive but they just stuck with the original one that incorrectly said he had covid.

Celtics problem here is that anyone that’s been within 2 metres for a prolonged period of time (15 minutes) also needs to isolate. The negative tests they’ve had since mean nothing, the negative tests don’t mean they don’t have covid, it could just mean it’s not showing up yet.

Scotland under 21’s, the St Mirren goalies and that Hamilton player have all missed games because of that. I know it’s different laws in England but Aguero wasn’t allowed to play today because of that, despite testing negative.

If the Celtic player that tested positive is the only Celtic player effected by this ill be amazed.

[Scorrie]

To err on the side of caution as it's peoples health and sometimes lifes at stake we should be awarded a 0-3 result, then imho the football should be closed down with the results as they stand, astrix for the hun and stay doon for the diet huns, it is the only logical conclusion I can think that looks after the safety of all.

:flag::flag::flag:

Gets my vote !

[Rumble de Thump]

Gogic had a negative test but had to self isolate as a precaution. Does that not apply to Celtic's players too?

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Gogic had a false positive test.

[ancient hibee]

Hibs should be commenting on it putting all sorts of pressure on the authorities, our players shouldn’t be taking to the pitch tomorrow, simple as that. Doesn’t matter what they tell us or what safeguards they put in place, unless we are playing a team of players that never went to Dubai then we shouldn’t be playing and we should be relaying that info publicly. Far too many of their players could be in an incubation period, and the last thing we want is for loads of our players to be testing positive next week.
So by this reasoning we should never play against any team that contains players who have been training with a colleague who later tests positive? Don’t recall any shouts for St Mirren to leave out other players when they didn’t have a goalie or we wouldn’t play.

[hibbysam]

So by this reasoning we should never play against any team that contains players who have been training with a colleague who later tests positive? Don’t recall any shouts for St Mirren to leave out other players when they didn’t have a goalie or we wouldn’t play.

All st mirren goalies had to isolate. No other players had spent time in contact. Completely different to spending hours on a plane, transport to and from airport and training, and shared accommodation and hotel spaces. Strangely completely different scenarios.

[HibeeHibernian4]

All st mirren goalies had to isolate. No other players had spent time in contact. Completely different to spending hours on a plane, transport to and from airport and training, and shared accommodation and hotel spaces. Strangely completely different scenarios.

:agree:

Sadly Celtic will get off with it while St Mirren had to play that match and ended up getting the book thrown at them for other "slip ups" (as John Kennedy described it).

[kaimendhibs]

So by this reasoning we should never play against any team that contains players who have been training with a colleague who later tests positive? Don’t recall any shouts for St Mirren to leave out other players when they didn’t have a goalie or we wouldn’t play.Thing is, this isnt whataboutery or scoring points, lives are at risk.
No way should we play these covidiots

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[CentreLine]

Think it would make sense to allow the track and trace people to do their work and the local health authority to decide what players can and cannot do within the safety rules. Whatever happens this uncertainty cannot be helping Hibs’ preparation forethought game

[Peevemor]

:agree:

Sadly Celtic will get off with it while St Mirren had to play that match and ended up getting the book thrown at them for other "slip ups" (as John Kennedy described it).Get off with what?

If the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night.

Why can't people wait and see what happens tomorrow without making all sorts of assumptions?

[CentreLine]

Get off with what?

If the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night.

Why can't people wait and see what happens tomorrow without making all sorts of assumptions?

Absolutely 👍🏻

[Rumble de Thump]

Get off with what?

If the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night.

Why can't people wait and see what happens tomorrow without making all sorts of assumptions?

You're assuming that if the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night. Can't you just wait and see?

[Peevemor]

You're assuming that if the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night. Can't you just wait and see?No, because if that's the case then we'll never know.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Get off with what?

If the player concerned has been in close contact with others then they won't be involved tomorrow night.

Why can't people wait and see what happens tomorrow without making all sorts of assumptions?

And who judges the close contact? If it's left up to Celtic you can ****ing forget about them doing the honourable thing and fessing up to Edouard (for example) needing to isolate for 10 days. Not an ounce of shame in that club.

I would go as far as to suggest that they've deliberately left announcing this until (approx.) 24 hours before the game to give anyone with power as little chance as possible of doing something to stop them playing a full strength team tomorrow night. Not saying I'm definitely right but that's my strong belief.

[Peevemor]

And who judges the close contact? If it's left up to Celtic you can ****ing forget about them doing the honourable thing and fessing up to Edouard (for example) needing to isolate for 10 days. Not an ounce of shame in that club.

I would go as far as to suggest that they've deliberately left announcing this until (approx.) 24 hours before the game to give anyone with power as little chance as possible of doing something to stop them playing a full strength team tomorrow night. Not saying I'm definitely right but that's my strong belief.Or maybe they just received the result?

Don't forget, ignoring any close contacts isn't just about the match tomorrow night, they'd be risking contaminating their entire squad.

[B.H.F.C]

And who judges the close contact? If it's left up to Celtic you can ****ing forget about them doing the honourable thing and fessing up to Edouard (for example) needing to isolate for 10 days. Not an ounce of shame in that club.

I would go as far as to suggest that they've deliberately left announcing this until (approx.) 24 hours before the game to give anyone with power as little chance as possible of doing something to stop them playing a full strength team tomorrow night. Not saying I'm definitely right but that's my strong belief.

Thankfully, it’s not left up to Celtic.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Thankfully, it’s not left up to Celtic.

Who's it up to then? Was there someone independently monitoring the trip? Or will Celtic be able to feed whoever's investigating close contact the standard "yes yes we followed the rules and nobody was in close contact" lies? Because I can easily see the latter happening to be honest with you. :rolleyes:

[Dmas]

Mandatory quarantine on arrivals from Dubai to Scotland effective tomorrow morning

[B.H.F.C]

Who's it up to then? Was there someone independently monitoring the trip? Or will Celtic be able to feed whoever's investigating close contact the standard "yes yes we followed the rules and nobody was in close contact" lies? Because I can easily see the latter happening to be honest with you. :rolleyes:

The NHS. They assess the GPS data, will look at seating plans on the plane etc.

[Basildon Hibs]

Who's it up to then? Was there someone independently monitoring the trip? Or will Celtic be able to feed whoever's investigating close contact the standard "yes yes we followed the rules and nobody was in close contact" lies? Because I can easily see the latter happening to be honest with you. :rolleyes:


I wish there was a 'like' button on this forum.
I definitely agree with you.

[Onceinawhile]

Mandatory quarantine on arrivals from Dubai to Scotland effective tomorrow morning

Retrospective to the 3rd of January.

Celtic's first team surely can't play tomorrow.

[JimBHibees]

Mandatory quarantine on arrivals from Dubai to Scotland effective tomorrow morning

Where you seeing that?

[ancient hibee]

Retrospective to the 3rd of January.

Celtic's first team can't play tomorrow.



Different rules for elite sport travel.

[B.H.F.C]

Retrospective to the 3rd of January.

Celtic's first team can't play tomorrow.

Sporting bubble will be exempt, guaranteed.

[JimBHibees]

Retrospective to the 3rd of January.

Celtic's first team can't play tomorrow.

Source?

[Onceinawhile]

Source?

I've amended my post to say surely.

Peter a Smith, itv journalist on twitter.

[Hermit Crab]

Source?

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[HibeeHibernian4]

Here's the full quote:

https://twitter.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/1348382264330227712

Make of it what you will. I'm assuming sportspeople may be exempt but then again...

[Santa Cruz]

https://www.gov.scot/news/dubai-designated-for-public-health-quarantine/

[Northernhibee]

Sporting bubble will be exempt, guaranteed.

But we know that there have been "slip-ups" or whatever he called it in their sporting bubble in Dubai.

We should demand one of two options:

1) - Game doesn't go ahead, Hibs handed a 3-0 victory.

2) - Games goes ahead, no member of staff who were on the Dubai trip may play due to doubts over the integrity of their bubble.

Anything else simply doesn't guarantee the safety of our staff or does not stand up to the test of sporting integrity.

[JimBHibees]

Sporting bubble will be exempt, guaranteed.

Difficult for Celtic to justify that given the pictures in press.

[andyf5]

Scottish Government site says anyone arriving after 3rd jan from Dubai must now isolate - see here https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/pages/exemptions/

[B.H.F.C]

But we know that there have been "slip-ups" or whatever he called it in their sporting bubble in Dubai.

We should demand one of two options:

1) - Game doesn't go ahead, Hibs handed a 3-0 victory.

2) - Games goes ahead, no member of staff who were on the Dubai trip may play due to doubts over the integrity of their bubble.

Anything else simply doesn't guarantee the safety of our staff or does not stand up to the test of sporting integrity.

The second option is what should happen.

[B.H.F.C]

Difficult for Celtic to justify that given the pictures in press.

Now, now. John Kennedy says they had all their own areas.....

[HibeeHibernian4]

Difficult for Celtic to justify that given the pictures in press.

Difficult but not impossible. A club without shame!

[Stuart93]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

[SHODAN]

Scottish Government site says anyone arriving after 3rd jan from Dubai must now isolate - see here https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/pages/exemptions/

That's it. None of them can play.

[hibbysam]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

Only when returning from competition. The fact Nicola Sturgeon posed questions regarding what happened on the trip then id expect the SG to implement the rules here.

[1875godsgift]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

If they were playing a competitive fixture in Dubai, then yes.

Surely shouldn't apply if they just went there on a jolly....

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.gov.scot/news/dubai-designated-for-public-health-quarantine/

There's nothing in there about exemptions for elite sport.

Lovely jubbly.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

In every previous case yes, but I think it's worth noting that this is a very, very specific instance we're dealing with.

This isn't even travelling from one country to Scotland, it's one city. One city that Celtic (notoriously) have spent the past week having a 'training camp' with a fair bit of downtime. Their assistant manager has admitted that there were minor slip ups. Sturgeon has been hinting at the "privileges" of exempt status being stripped. Celtic could easily be made an example of tomorrow and told to isolate. Where that leaves the SPFL? God knows. I would just love these *******s to get a taste of deserved medicine for once.

[mayo hibee]

Talk of 10 players being left out as close contacts even if the rest of the squad is allowed to play. Obviously if the Dubai travel rule changes apply to them they'll all be out, in which case it will have to be the youths, no way should we agree to another postponement.

[Sir David Gray]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

Yes if they were abroad as part of an officially recognised tournament that's correct.

That's not what happened here.

[Billy Whizz]

Scottish Government site says anyone arriving after 3rd jan from Dubai must now isolate - see here https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/pages/exemptions/

You can’t backdate it

[DJ HIBBY]

There's nothing in there about exemptions for elite sport.

Lovely jubbly.

Both rangers and Celtic have played abroad all season in countries where quarantine is in force for passengers returning to the Uk.

[Mon Dieu4]

Only when returning from competition. The fact Nicola Sturgeon posed questions regarding what happened on the trip then id expect the SG to implement the rules here.

The rules are ambiguous, elite sport does have different rules from the rest of us, boxers from abroad for example have been allowed to come into the country and fight without the normal length quarantine as long as they pass the test before the get on the plane and again once they get here

[ancient hibee]

Only when returning from competition. The fact Nicola Sturgeon posed questions regarding what happened on the trip then id expect the SG to implement the rules here.

As the rules permitted them to go it seems unlikely that they will not apply to them returning.

[Sir David Gray]

Both rangers and Celtic have played abroad all season in countries where quarantine is in force for passengers returning to the Uk.

Yes but Celtic weren't abroad on tournament business

Big difference.

[Hermit Crab]

What price are hibs tomorrow??? :wink:

[Billy Whizz]

Elite sport is exempt from these rules though was always my understanding

Only when they cross the white line onto the pitch
Off the field protocols still have to have social distancing in place

[Scooter]

What price are hibs tomorrow??? :wink:

I got 8/1 earlier when I had heard. Someone else said betting has been suspended

[kaimendhibs]

Should be isolatinghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210110/e7e4654e6b2e89e873877cd112d4784f.jpg

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[Hermit Crab]

Betting on tomorrows game is suspended on 365.

[hibbysam]

As the rules permitted them to go it seems unlikely that they will not apply to them returning.

I agree that I don’t think it will, however I completely disagree with that and think ‘all’ should mean ‘all’ and no exemptions. It clearly wasn’t a training camp, it was a holiday that included a bit of training in between.

[dp00]

Talk of 10 players being left out as close contacts even if the rest of the squad is allowed to play. Obviously if the Dubai travel rule changes apply to them they'll all be out, in which case it will have to be the youths, no way should we agree to another postponement.

Would guess they can’t play youth cause they haven’t been tested ?


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[Sir David Gray]

Betting on tomorrows game is suspended on 365.

7/1 on Sky Bet.

[hibbysam]

You can’t backdate it

They clearly have as per the guidance updated tonight.

[Cod Boy]

Betting on tomorrows game is suspended on 365.

8/1 In hills couple of hours ago now 13/2

[Moulin Yarns]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Changes to Dubai travel:“Travellers returning...must quarantine...for 10 days from 4am on Monday (11 Jan). In addition, passengers who travelled to Scotland from Dubai since 3 January are also being asked to isolate for 10 days, from the date they arrived back in the country.” https://t.co/1Ee7grhjiz


Ya beauty 😁😁😁😁


https://news.stv.tv/politics/travellers-arriving-in-scotland-from-dubai-must-self-isolate?top

[bingo70]

You can’t backdate it

They just have 😂

[Blaster]

7/1 on Sky Bet.

Can’t see it on sky bet now

[DJ HIBBY]

They clearly have as per the guidance updated tonight.

The backdating doesn’t make sense as tomorrow we will be on 11 January and those returning 03 January will have not self isolated and will have been to shops and out in public since.

[04Sauzee]

Radio Clyde reporter tweets

The Scottish Government have confirmed tonight that Celtic, as part of the elite sports category, are exempt from the newly introduced Dubai quarantine rules.

[Sir David Gray]

Can’t see it on sky bet now

Yeah it's just been removed, it was up less than 10 minutes ago.

[wazoo1875]

What price are hibs tomorrow??? :wink:

I just got a few quid on at 22/1 Hibs -1

[JohnM1875]

13/2 still at Hills. Just chucked £10 on Hibs.

[Blaster]

Yeah it's just been removed, it was up less than 10 minutes ago.

👍

[Stuart93]

Alan Smith politician on twitter saying government has advised it doesn’t apply to elite sports people who have been training abroad.

Can’t wait for our outbreak in time for the semi final

[cabbageandribs1875]

we've went from 15/2 to 13/2 on willy hill in the last 45 minutes...they either know something, or....loads on here have started betting on hibs and they think WE know something :greengrin

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[Sir David Gray]

**** off.

[kaimendhibs]

Radio Clyde reporter tweets

The Scottish Government have confirmed tonight that Celtic, as part of the elite sports category, are exempt from the newly introduced Dubai quarantine rules.Absolute disgrace

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[Northernhibee]

Alan Smith politician on twitter saying government has advised it doesn’t apply to elite sports people who have been training abroad.

Can’t wait for our outbreak in time for the semi final

Yep, I'm back to thinking that we can't play the tie as we know that their team haven't completely followed protocol whilst in Dubai.

[Hibeesforever]

Yep, I'm back to thinking that we can't play the tie as we know that their team haven't completely followed protocol whilst in Dubai.

Hibs need to refuse to play, too risky to get covid

[ekhibee]

Yep, I'm back to thinking that we can't play the tie as we know that their team haven't completely followed protocol whilst in Dubai.

That's just what I was thinking too.

[Cod Boy]

Betting on tomorrows game is suspended on 365.

8/1 In hills couple of hours ago now 13/2

[cabbageandribs1875]

all this hassle because of a club that are a shower of arrogant irresponsible mofo's

[Hermit Crab]

https://twitter.com/political_alans/status/1348390166390575106?s=21

[04Sauzee]

The Scottish Government also says its clinicians are in contact with Celtic to provide advice on next steps following earlier confirmation of a player testing positive https://t.co/PFYRxGLrFV

[The Spaceman]

Refuse to play this fixture Hibs.

**** them and their arrogance.

[HibeeHibernian4]

The Scottish Government also says its clinicians are in contact with Celtic to provide advice on next steps following earlier confirmation of a player testing positive https://t.co/PFYRxGLrFV

Advice such as "here's how you can get around it bhoys." :rolleyes:

[Ronniekirk]

https://twitter.com/political_alans/status/1348390166390575106?s=21

Well if it doesn’t apply to elite athletes it sends out the wrong message Why the **** should the rest of us bother to stick to the rules
I know some elderly people who haven’t been out Thier house since all this started



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[USAHibee]

Did Doig not have to isolate after a scotland 21 game. They were part of an elite sports trip?

[The dalmeny]

Alan Smith politician on twitter saying government has advised it doesn’t apply to elite sports people who have been training abroad.

Can’t wait for our outbreak in time for the semi final

rips ma knitting 🧶

[1875Sean]

Radio Clyde reporter tweets

The Scottish Government have confirmed tonight that Celtic, as part of the elite sports category, are exempt from the newly introduced Dubai quarantine rules.

Don’t understand why people don’t get this, it’s always the case with football teams or Celtic wouldn’t go there in the first place, knows it was just a training camp but if there was a game in Europe in a country where you had to isolate it’s the same thing, as footballers get tested it’s different rules for them

[bingo70]

Refuse to play this fixture Hibs.

**** them and their arrogance.

If we refuse to play them then it’ll get rearranged for a time when they’re likely tk be closer to full strength.

Playing them tomorrow night missing10 of their first team players would be the best result.

[B.H.F.C]

Did Doig not have to isolate after a scotland 21 game. They were part of an elite sports trip?

His isolation was because he was a close contact.

[1875Sean]

Did Doig not have to isolate after a scotland 21 game. They were part of an elite sports trip?

That was because he was classed as a close contact, some of the Scotland under 21s had to miss a game but Porto was in the squad and played for us when he returned

[USAHibee]

His isolation was because he was a close contact.

And those celtic players are not close contacts? Training together everyday?

[Sir David Gray]

Did Doig not have to isolate after a scotland 21 game. They were part of an elite sports trip?

Yes but that was because players in the squad tested positive it's entirely different. Elite athletes still nees to isolate if they test positive/are identified as a close contact.

The exemption only applies where an elite athlete/team goes abroad to a country that's not on the exemption list and comes back negative.

[CentreLine]

Did Doig not have to isolate after a scotland 21 game. They were part of an elite sports trip?

No. He might have had to isolate if he was in close contact with a positive case. The exemption is about travel not the consequences of being in contact with a positive case.

[bingo70]

And those celtic players are not close contacts? Training together everyday?

Close contacts are defined by indoor contacts you’ve had with people for more than 15 minutes.

Celtic should have put protocols in place to make sure the players weren’t mixing, in case this very thing happened.

[USAHibee]

No. He might have had to isolate if he was in close contact with a positive case. The exemption is about travel not the consequences of being in contact with a positive case.

I'm sure celtic would not be admitting any players were close contacts.. so damn annoying

[Sir David Gray]

And those celtic players are not close contacts? Training together everyday?

See my other post.

If any Celtic employee is identified as a close contact of the player who has tested positive then they'll need to isolate.

[USAHibee]

See my other post.

If any Celtic employee is identified as a close contact of the player who has tested positive then they'll need to isolate.


What is regarded a close contact? Did they not train and eat together everyday on their trip or did the positive player do his own thing all week

[CentreLine]

I'm sure celtic would not be admitting any players were close contacts.. so damn annoying

You could be right there sadly but they may not be able to avoid flight manifests and hotel records.

[Sir David Gray]

What is regarded a close contact? Did they not train and eat together everyday on their trip or did the positive player do his own thing all week

Anyone who has been within 2 metres of an infected person for at least 15 minutes.

[Gmack7]

Advice such as "here's how you can get around it bhoys." :rolleyes:

Like make sure your bluetooth was permanently off. If not lose your phone

[USAHibee]

You could be right there sadly but they may not be able to avoid flight manifests and hotel records.

No doubt he caught a flight home on his own

[1875Sean]

Worse case scenario it’s Shane Duffy who tested positive, they might have an out as he left the camp early and may not be any close contacts

[Sean1875]

Worse case scenario it’s Shane Duffy who tested positive, they might have an out as he left the camp early and may not be any close contacts

Apparently he went home early due to a family issue and is out for tomorrow anyways.


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[Smartie]

Hibs should not be playing this game tomorrow night if there are players playing who were in Dubai.

I hope Hibs are going to be strong here.

I don't mind if it's delayed until a time that they have a stronger team and they pump us - as a matter or safety and principle we can't tolerate this.

[Hermit Crab]

Hibs should not be playing this game tomorrow night if there are players playing who were in Dubai.

I hope Hibs are going to be strong here.

I don't mind if it's delayed until a time that they have a stronger team and they pump us - as a matter or safety and principle we can't tolerate this.


No chance.

[greenginger]

https://youtu.be/IVf1muxDK6E

what little bits shown from the training camp shows them all training together

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs should not be playing this game tomorrow night if there are players playing who were in Dubai.

I hope Hibs are going to be strong here.

I don't mind if it's delayed until a time that they have a stronger team and they pump us - as a matter or safety and principle we can't tolerate this.

Absolutely no chance Hibs will refuse to play the game.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Hold the phone: https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/1348396306352513025

Scottish Govt spokesperson: No decision yet on whether Celtic in clear under ‘elite sports’ qualification. Celtic being spoken to by officials from Scot Govt & NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde. Info will be fed back to Ministers who will make decision-possibly lunchtime tmrw @SkyNews (https://twitter.com/SkyNews)

[Chorley Hibee]

Hibs should not be playing this game tomorrow night if there are players playing who were in Dubai.

I hope Hibs are going to be strong here.

I don't mind if it's delayed until a time that they have a stronger team and they pump us - as a matter or safety and principle we can't tolerate this.

I absolutely agree, let's hope they make the right decision.

Here's another thought; Does this game being on Sky have any baring on the decision?

[B.H.F.C]

https://youtu.be/IVf1muxDK6E

what little bits shown from the training camp shows them all training together

Which isn’t an issue. It’s what they were doing when they weren’t training that is an issue.

[JohnM1875]

Hibs should not be playing this game tomorrow night if there are players playing who were in Dubai.

I hope Hibs are going to be strong here.

I don't mind if it's delayed until a time that they have a stronger team and they pump us - as a matter or safety and principle we can't tolerate this.

Definitely agree with this. Couldn't care less if we get humped in a re-arranged fixture. At least we'll know it's safer then. Far too much to risk with the semi final coming up.

Absolutely despise Celtic.

[Cod Boy]

Refuse to play simple

[AdidasHibernian]

Definitely agree with this. Couldn't care less if we get humped in a re-arranged fixture. At least we'll know it's safer then. Far too much to risk with the semi final coming up.

Absolutely despise Celtic.

My thoughts exactly

[AdidasHibernian]

If this game goes ahead with their full strength squad that went on a jolly boys outing then Scottish football needs stopped and serious questions asked.

Shambles from Sellick

[Lee Marvin]

The worst case scenario is them being allowed to rearrange this. There is no way that should be allowed to happen.

Game will be on and we will play their kids. Hibs should refuse to play any other outcome.

[Stuart93]

The government will end up postponing this game.

We’ll be forced to rearrange

[Northernhibee]

The worst case scenario is them being allowed to rearrange this. There is no way that should be allowed to happen.

Game will be on and we will play their kids. Hibs should refuse to play any other outcome.

Yep. We've been treated as second class by the game being premitted to being rearranged without our consent already, should we **** allow them to get away with yet another stupid decision and yet another case of players not following protocol without consequence.

Either they play their youth teams, we get a 3-0 win or nothing else. It has to be safe first and foremost but we shouldn't continue to be buggered about when it's 100% clear who the fault of all this lies with.

[1875Sean]

I think the game will go ahead and Celtic will miss 3-4 players max, the positive players and some close contacts

[JimBHibees]

They will want a cancellation if they have to isolate. We then need to make clear comment we don't agree with it as they still have loads of players.

[JimBHibees]

The worst case scenario is them being allowed to rearrange this. There is no way that should be allowed to happen.

Game will be on and we will play their kids. Hibs should refuse to play any other outcome.

Absolutely

[HibeeHibernian4]

We've already been made to agree to delay this game 48 hours, should we **** be agreeing to any postponement. Get the academy kids out there Celtic and we'll see how good they are. Most of them were stolen from other clubs for pennies anyway.

[JohnM1875]

The government will end up postponing this game.

We’ll be forced to rearrange

Can see it happening.

If the rumours that are flying around about sport being postponed for a few weeks in England and Wales are true, the government here might just decide to pack it in here as well, cancelling tomorrows match.

[oldbutdim]

The game will go ahead as if nothing untoward has happened.
Move along.

Nothing to see here.

[Hermit Crab]

The worst case scenario is them being allowed to rearrange this. There is no way that should be allowed to happen.

Game will be on and we will play their kids. Hibs should refuse to play any other outcome.


The government will end up postponing this game.

We’ll be forced to rearrange


After it already being rearranged against our wishes so they could bugger off to Dubai. Seems fair eh.

[JimBHibees]

No chance.

We were strong in condemnation re the initial date change.

[Hermit Crab]

We were strong in condemnation re the initial date change.


We never appealed the decision did we. Celtic and Sky wanted it moved. We just let them.

[Vault Boy]

The arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity of the Celtic leadership is absolutely heinous. How out of touch and tone deaf can you be? A stain on the Scottish game and entirely deserving of public ire and outcry.

What a bunch of pricks.

[wookie70]

Which isn’t an issue. It’s what they were doing when they weren’t training that is an issue. Surely it is an issue in terms of catching the virus.

[Rumble de Thump]

Celtic must have some of the best training facilities in the country. A deadly pandemic was going on when they booked the trip. It was still ongoing when they went on trip. What was the point of it?

[hibbysam]

We were strong in condemnation re the initial date change.

Only because of the process, not for the reasons we should’ve been condemning it for. We had a go at the SPFL and as soon as they replied we shut up and took our medicine. Not a peep since when it was clear this would happen.

[JimBHibees]

We never appealed the decision did we. Celtic and Sky wanted it moved. We just let them.

We didn't agree with the decision absolutely nothing else we could have done

[Carheenlea]

Hold the phone: https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/1348396306352513025

Scottish Govt spokesperson: No decision yet on whether Celtic in clear under ‘elite sports’ qualification. Celtic being spoken to by officials from Scot Govt & NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde. Info will be fed back to Ministers who will make decision-possibly lunchtime tmrw @SkyNews (https://twitter.com/SkyNews)

This is a long way from being finished. By the tone of that it sounds like the Scottish Government have concerns. They won`t want a PR embarrassment so I`m feeling this game won`t be played.

[B.H.F.C]

Surely it is an issue in terms of catching the virus.

No, because you’re not deemed to be a close contact in that situation.

[greenginger]

Which isn’t an issue. It’s what they were doing when they weren’t training that is an issue.


So so close contacts aren’t close contacts during training. ? I thought the players trained in groups of 3 or 4 and that was their bubble.

[B.H.F.C]

This is a long way from being finished. By the tone of that it sounds like the Scottish Government have concerns. They won`t want a PR embarrassment so I`m feeling this game won`t be played.

Aye there is plenty to run in this. Government involvement is more likely to see Celtic get away with it from a footballing perspective IMO.

[Cod Boy]

As soon as sky got involved and said it’s live on Monday Celtic got away with it as tv dictates kick off times

[HibeeHibernian4]

Hold the phone: https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/1348396306352513025

Scottish Govt spokesperson: No decision yet on whether Celtic in clear under ‘elite sports’ qualification. Celtic being spoken to by officials from Scot Govt & NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde. Info will be fed back to Ministers who will make decision-possibly lunchtime tmrw @SkyNews (https://twitter.com/SkyNews)

Just in case this got lost in the flurry of posts. It's not actually confirmed that they've got exempt elite sports status. Decision being made possibly tomorrow lunchtime apparently.

[B.H.F.C]

So so close contacts aren’t close contacts during training. ? I thought the players trained in groups of 3 or 4 and that was their bubble.

The definition of a close contact is being within 2 meters of someone for 15 minutes. If it was just being on the pitch with someone, whole squads and opposition teams would be isolating every time there was a positive case.

[hibbysam]

Aye there is plenty to run in this. Government involvement is more likely to see Celtic get away with it from a footballing perspective IMO.

Yup, same as back when the government postponed their games after Bolingoligate. They’ll rearrange this game for November 2021.

[Jim44]

This is a long way from being finished. By the tone of that it sounds like the Scottish Government have concerns. They won`t want a PR embarrassment so I`m feeling this game won`t be played.

......... and what’s the betting that it will just be postponed? Don’t forget that Lawwell is a loud voice on the SFA board.

[HibeeHibernian4]

As soon as sky got involved and said it’s live on Monday Celtic got away with it as tv dictates kick off times

That happened a good ten days after the original moving of the fixture and Dempster's complaint on Twitter (30th November).

Sky picked it for TV coverage on 10th December: https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/celtic-v-hibs-match-selected-for-monday-night-coverage-as-sky-announce-tv-fixtures/

We were told to shut up and stop complaining about it by the SPFL well before Sky got involved.

[Stuart93]

This is a long way from being finished. By the tone of that it sounds like the Scottish Government have concerns. They won`t want a PR embarrassment so I`m feeling this game won`t be played.

Aye that’s my thoughts. I reckon government will stop the game from going ahead, Celtic get away with it Scot free because of the govt’s involvement and we’re made to play them when they’re back at full strength

The whole thing ****ing stinks

We should be coming out all guns blazing for a change on this. My guess is we’ll shut up and be nice, as per.

[Bostonhibby]

We should absolutely refuse to play unless celtc can say Duffy is a guaranteed starter, our best chance of a result.

Hopefully the government orders them to pick him as a punishment.[emoji6]

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[Hermit Crab]

Aye that’s my thoughts. I reckon government will stop the game from going ahead, Celtic get away with it Scot free because of the govt’s involvement and we’re made to play them when they’re back at full strength

The whole thing ****ing stinks


And by then we could have injuries and covid issues of our own....

[we are hibs]

This is an absolute disgrace btw. A complete and utter shambles as usual when it comes to Scottish football.

[HibeeHibernian4]

This is an absolute disgrace btw. A complete and utter shambles as usual when it comes to Scottish football.

The worst part is that it's a shambles anyone could have seen coming the moment Celtic were allowed to push this fixture back in the first place. Heads should roll in the organisations that okayed this and inside Celtic. Of course it will never happen though sadly.

[Stuart93]

This is an absolute disgrace btw. A complete and utter shambles as usual when it comes to Scottish football.

Correct. And you can guarantee if it was any club out with the top two (though rangers have done the right thing) they’d be absolutely hung drawn & quartered by the media & by the spfl.

Because it’s Celtic they’ve done **** all.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the spfl will postpone our game tomorrow then sellick will be forced to play their u12's against livi on saturday

[Callum_62]

Jumping the gun a bit here lads, no?

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[Cod Boy]

Liewell will tell the spl what to do as he has for years

[CentreLine]

Jumping the gun a bit here lads, no?

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That’s the way it looks. Lots of reactions to what “might” happen. Plenty of time for making a point once whatever decisions are made.

[Smartie]

That’s the way it looks. Lots of reactions to what “might” happen. Plenty of time for making a point once whatever decisions are made.

Is there that much harm in expressing our opinions on it as it stands?

We know that anything might happen tomorrow.

Yes, it is jumping the gun but when we play a match do we need to wait until it has reached a conclusion before commenting on it?

It's a big controversy and our club are involved, so it is well worthy of debate on a fans' forum.

[bingo70]

That’s the way it looks. Lots of reactions to what “might” happen. Plenty of time for making a point once whatever decisions are made.

To be fair, a large point of a forum like this is to talk about what might happen. I’m not really one for conspiracy theories myself but given the circumstances around why Celtic were allowed to travel and push our game back, I’m not surprised folk are a bit sceptical that it won’t end up being a completely fair outcome.

[FilipinoHibs]

The government should have stopped them going given the current global explosion in the virus. Claiming that everybody else has tested negative is neither hear nor there. It takes up to 14 days from infection for the virus to show up in a test. The whole tour party should be put in quarantine for 14 days and tested st the end of it. If the game goes ahead then Hibs players and staff will be put at risk. Postponement is the likely outcome. Celtic will say they were operating within the guidelines. Government was too soft.

[Col2]

A total shambles from start to finish and this will run and run.

My take is there will not be enough time between now and tomorrow lunchtime to make decision re mondays game) to properly investigate and confirm who will need to self isolate and provide the right back up documentation/proof.

Celtic will not want to open up what could be a ****show of breaches. It’s all very well trainings each day, No car sharing, no showers, no lunch etc versus being i Dubai hotel, pool, bar, restaurant, travel to training etc.

I am 95% convinced game will be postponed and then investigation by SPFL

This idea of a 3-0 3 point penalty awarded to us is premature. It might end up being that but it would only be after investigation.

The wider implications for Scottish Football are bad. I would expect this would tip the balance of placing professional sport in the new proposed extra lockdown rules being discussed and the game being paused. The irony of all irony is this could have a detrimental impact on Rangers title e.g. Null and void.

[davhibby]

A total shambles from start to finish and this will run and run.

My take is there will not be enough time between now and tomorrow lunchtime to make decision re mondays game) to properly investigate and confirm who will need to self isolate and provide the right back up documentation/proof.

Celtic will not want to open up what could be a ****show of breaches. It’s all very well trainings each day, No car sharing, no showers, no lunch etc versus being i Dubai hotel, pool, bar, restaurant, travel to training etc.

I am 95% convinced game will be postponed and then investigation by SPFL

This idea of a 3-0 3 point penalty awarded to us is premature. It might end up being that but it would only be after investigation.

The wider implications for Scottish Football are bad. I would expect this would tip the balance of placing professional sport in the new proposed extra lockdown rules being discussed and the game being paused. The irony of all irony is this could have a detrimental impact on Rangers title e.g. Null and void.

John Kennedy pretty much admitted to rule breaches the other day, the precedent has been set with Killie and St Mirren so if the game doesn’t go ahead we should be strongly fighting to be awarded the points