Celtic away moved to Monday night/Celtic player tests positive

[Billy Whizz]

Hopefully the day after the Scottish Government add UAE to the quarantine list 😁

That was why I asked😀

[.Sean.]

Hibs should be coming out and fighting our corner and demanding these ***** isolate when they come back or give us the points, why should our players risk themselves against a shower of arrogant, irresponsible ********s who’ve been mincing about Dubai and no socially distancing.

I honestly despise Celtic, I hope if/ when we play them we pump them rotten and Rangers win the league but about 30 points

[HibeeHibernian4]

They're not going to get done for this are they.:rolleyes:

They aren't because they had the Scottish FA and the Scottish government's blessing for this trip. They're now trying to cover themselves by wagging their finger and saying "Ooh those pictures. Not good Celtic." Something that' true but misses the bigger point! The disgrace is that they were allowed to fly to Dubai for a week's training full stop. What happened once they got there is almost irrelevant. The allowances for professional sports teams to travel abroad during this pandemic are for competitive games and it's a joke that a "training camp" in the Middle East (when we don't even have a winter break this season!) was okay'd by Holyrood and the Scottish FA.

[Speedy]

That wasn’t my point. I was saying that I doubt very much whether Celtic’s wee jolly was all that high on a Government’s agenda, given the many more pressing issues facing us at the present time.

You’re confusing the role of Government and the responsibility of an organisation to act sensibly, even if the actions they took were within the rules ( and that is questionable).

Maybe Celtic were asked not to travel, who knows. Maybe the Government hope that responsible citizenship would have prevailed.

You're right, it wasn't high on their agenda, that much is clear. Yet now they find themselves being drawn into discussing it because it influences the public.

I'm not confusing anyone’s role. I'm saying the government have a job to influence the public, this situation with Celtic was foreseeable and it could have been dealt with better. If you can see the door is open, why leave it open until the horse has bolted.

Edit: And you're right. People and organisations should be able to behave themselves but if this pandemic has taught us anything, it's that society needs a wee helping hand in that regard

[Moulin Yarns]

I see Duffy has come back from UAE on a family matter.

[Andy74]

They aren't because they had the Scottish FA and the Scottish government's blessing for this trip. They're now trying to cover themselves by wagging their finger and saying "Ooh those pictures. Not good Celtic." Something that' true but misses the bigger point! The disgrace is that they were allowed to fly to Dubai for a week's training full stop. What happened once they got there is almost irrelevant. The allowances for professional sports teams to travel abroad during this pandemic are for competitive games and it's a joke that a "training camp" in the Middle East (when we don't even have a winter break this season!) was okay'd by Holyrood and the Scottish FA.

It looks like the exemption covers ‘training and competition’.

Celtic should have been taking a sensible call on this of course but it is allowed.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Four positive cases from Man City's women's team. Players went out to Dubai with the club's blessing. :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55537994

[HibeeHibernian4]

It looks like the exemption covers ‘training and competition’.

Celtic should have been taking a sensible call on this of course but it is allowed.

My complaint is exactly that: it's allowed. It shouldn't have been, and the SFA and government's complicity in allowing it will mean Celtic won't face any punishment for their massive error in judgment.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The Scot Gov Ok'ed the trip in November.

A hell of a lot has changed since then.

...but they didn't though as has now been confirmed.

[hibbyfraelibby]

They aren't because they had the Scottish FA and the Scottish government's blessing for this trip. They're now trying to cover themselves by wagging their finger and saying "Ooh those pictures. Not good Celtic." Something that' true but misses the bigger point! The disgrace is that they were allowed to fly to Dubai for a week's training full stop. What happened once they got there is almost irrelevant. The allowances for professional sports teams to travel abroad during this pandemic are for competitive games and it's a joke that a "training camp" in the Middle East (when we don't even have a winter break this season!) was okay'd by Holyrood and the Scottish FA.
They did not have Scottish Government blessing as the FM madd clear in her briefing. The government re-iterated its guidance to the JRG in Novemver. It endorsed nothing.

[HibeeHibernian4]

They did not have Scottish Government blessing as the FM madd clear in her briefing. The government re-iterated its guidance to the JRG in Novemver. It endorsed nothing.

Not saying you're wrong but could you find me that quote please? All I heard was Sturgeon going on about the photographs (and conveniently deflecting attention from the JRG okaying this trip).

[Andy74]

Not saying you're wrong but could you find me that quote please? All I heard was Sturgeon going on about the photographs (and conveniently deflecting attention from the JRG okaying this trip).

She said government guidance was given in November on training camps but it isn’t their role to sign them off.

So, they didn’t approve it but didn’t have to and appears to be within existing exemption.

[superfurryhibby]

You're right, it wasn't high on their agenda, that much is clear. Yet now they find themselves being drawn into discussing it because it influences the public.

I'm not confusing anyone’s role. I'm saying the government have a job to influence the public, this situation with Celtic was foreseeable and it could have been dealt with better. If you can see the door is open, why leave it open until the horse has bolted.

Edit: And you're right. People and organisations should be able to behave themselves but if this pandemic has taught us anything, it's that society needs a wee helping hand in that regard

https://twitter.com/davidtannertv/status/1346462526851010562?s=21

Here's the FM's take on Celtic's jaunt again. Clearly hugely unimpressed.

I think the Government would probably suspend football tomorrow but they know that we all need some semblance of normality to see us through the challenges of where we're all at just now. They tolerate it, but I would say that tolerance is running out.

The Government do try and influence the public, it's an ever present part of our lives. Public service information broadcasting, via news and media outlets, daily speeches and summaries, it's all pervasive.

There are fine lines in all of this. When does a Government stop appealing to common sense and reason and start using severe compliance measures? Sometimes partnership is a much more effective tool. Celtic aren't individuals going round to see a mate, or crossing municipal boundaries to see (outdoors only) their partner who happens to live with their children. They are a massive sports institution with an enormous profile in our country.

It's a huge own goal by Celtic and their board. If we were all given an inch and took a mile this country would be friar tucked. In the greater scheme of things it's a small matter, compared to the challenges of governing the country through a crisis. Celtic are responsible, no one else but |I suspect that will be changing shortly.

Selfish bunch of chancing *****. Hell mend them.

[Speedy]

https://twitter.com/davidtannertv/status/1346462526851010562?s=21

Here's the FM's take on Celtic's jaunt again. Clearly hugely unimpressed.

I think the Government would probably suspend football tomorrow but they know that we all need some semblance of normality to see us through the challenges of where we're all at just now. They tolerate it, but I would say that tolerance is running out.

The Government do try and influence the public, it's an ever present part of our lives. Public service information broadcasting, via news and media outlets, daily speeches and summaries, it's all pervasive.

There are fine lines in all of this. When does a Government stop appealing to common sense and reason and start using severe compliance measures? Sometimes partnership is a much more effective tool. Celtic aren't individuals going round to see a mate, or crossing municipal boundaries to see (outdoors only) their partner who happens to live with their children. They are a massive sports institution with an enormous profile in our country.

It's a huge own goal by Celtic and their board. If we were all given an inch and took a mile this country would be friar tucked. In the greater scheme of things it's a small matter, compared to the challenges of governing the country through a crisis. Celtic are responsible, no one else but |I suspect that will be changing shortly.

Selfish bunch of chancing *****. Hell mend them.

The bits in bold link in with my point though. They knew this was happening (they have a minister for sport, and a National Clinical Director who appears on football radio shows), they could’ve had a word with Celtic or the football authorities before they went and avoided the whole thing.

Should they have to, no. But should they have the foresight to help prevent a situation which leads to debate on punitive measures for a whole industry, yes imo.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/uae-reports-1967-new-coronavirus-cases-3-deaths-1.1609841050143


UAE isn't a safe place to be.

[superfurryhibby]

The bits in bold link in with my point though. They knew this was happening (they have a minister for sport, and a National Clinical Director who appears on football radio shows), they could’ve had a word with Celtic or the football authorities before they went and avoided the whole thing.

Should they have to, no. But should they have the foresight to help prevent a situation which leads to debate on punitive measures for a whole industry, yes imo.

Fair points. You do wonder what will come out in the wash with all of this.

[Peevemor]

She said government guidance was given in November on training camps but it isn’t their role to sign them off.

So, they didn’t approve it but didn’t have to and appears to be within existing exemption.

Yep, she's basically saying that when they were questioned in Novemebr it was confirmed that training camps were permitted. She is now commenting on a quote from Celtic saying that it was more R&R than training and also, after seeing some photos, questioning whether rules are being followed. She's also hinting that Celtic taking the piss will probably lead to tighter restrictions for elite sport.

[Peevemor]

Fair points. You do wonder what will come out in the wash with all of this.

If they keep their nose(s) clean and none of them become infected during the trip it'll be mostly forgotten about in a few weeks time (apart from on places like this).

[kaimendhibs]

Places like this? You mean a Hibs Fans Forum where Hibs Fans are complaining that Celtc got to go away for a jolly after having a fixture against Hibs moved against Hibs wishes in the middle of a deadly global pandemic?

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[Peevemor]

Places like this? You mean a Hibs Fans Forum where Hibs Fans are complaining that Celtc got to go away for a jolly after having a fixture against Hibs moved against Hibs wishes in the middle of a deadly global pandemic?

Sent from my SM-G973F using TapatalkBasically yes. It wasn't meant in a negative sense.

[kaimendhibs]

Basically yes. It wasn't meant in a negative sense.[emoji106][emoji106]

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[gbhibby]

Hibs should demand that all celtic staff are tested on Monday. Should there be any positive results carry out a risk assessment to decide whether to play the game or not.

[hibbysam]

Hibs should demand that all celtic staff are tested on Monday. Should there be any positive results carry out a risk assessment to decide whether to play the game or not.

Problem with that is due to the incubation period, we might not find out for a week or two that these players are positive (hence the isolation period).

[SteveHFC]

Hibs should demand that all celtic staff are tested on Monday. Should there be any positive results carry out a risk assessment to decide whether to play the game or not.

If any Celtic staff test positive we should be awarded the 3 points.

[JimBHibees]

When are celtic due back in Scotland?

Think returning on Saturday comes to mind.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Not saying you're wrong but could you find me that quote please? All I heard was Sturgeon going on about the photographs (and conveniently deflecting attention from the JRG okaying this trip).

Just watch a rerun of today's Politics Scotland on BBC iplayer. She outed the Celtic lie and then told Trump he's not getting in in the same response to the journalust seeking to stir it.

[gbhibby]

Problem with that is due to the incubation period, we might not find out for a week or two that these players are positive (hence the isolation period).
I know that but was wanting to make it as difficult as possible for them. In all probability there will be a positive case amongst the travelling party so we can refuse to play.

[Rumble de Thump]

If one of them tests postitive then they're srewed as they don't seem to have been socially distancing.

[AugustaHibs]

https://gulfnews.com/uae/health/uae-reports-1967-new-coronavirus-cases-3-deaths-1.1609841050143


UAE isn't a safe place to be.

Considering they done 150 thousand tests and only found 1500 positives it doesn’t seem too bad over there.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Just close this thread. Nothing will get done about it, not when we have a subservient media and government who wouldn’t dare dream of upsetting either of the Glasgow Two. They’re allowed to do whatever they like and whenever they like and in as bigoted and sectarian a manner as they like. And nothing will get done about it.

Far less our own club speaking up about it. Celtic and The Rangers can do what they like without impeachment.

[Peevemor]

Just close this thread. Nothing will get done about it, not when we have a subservient media and government who wouldn’t dare dream of upsetting either of the Glasgow Two. They’re allowed to do whatever they like and whenever they like and in as bigoted and sectarian a manner as they like. And nothing will get done about it.

Far less our own club speaking up about it. Celtic and The Rangers can do what they like without impeachment.But Hibs or any other club could have done the same, except they (rightly) haven't.

The Scottish government have also voiced their opinion, indicating that the loophole Celtic have exploited will probably be closed.

As for the MSM, they lost any remaining credibility a long time ago.

[Speedy]

Just close this thread. Nothing will get done about it, not when we have a subservient media and government who wouldn’t dare dream of upsetting either of the Glasgow Two. They’re allowed to do whatever they like and whenever they like and in as bigoted and sectarian a manner as they like. And nothing will get done about it.

Far less our own club speaking up about it. Celtic and The Rangers can do what they like without impeachment.

SPFL has announced the game will be moved due to uncertainty around whether Celtic can get back in time.

Hibs to be informed what time their flights to Dubai are in due course :greengrin

[blaikie]

Considering they done 150 thousand tests and only found 1500 positives it doesn’t seem too bad over there.

I feel safer in Dubai than I do in the UK ... 10% of the population already vaccinated and less than 1-1.5% positive each day from approximately 150,000 tests (which include every inbound passenger) - also masks mandatory with £600 fine if caught without.

I’m more shocked that they aren’t staying in a resort type accommodation with training facilities like La Manga in Spain ... instead they are staying in the Marina/JBR area in a plush hotel in the heart of the tourist area and traveling 30/40 minutes to NAS Sports Complex - seems like a jolly boys outing more than anything - hope we get a 3-0 win because they don’t get back on time 👀!

[.Sean.]

I’m quite disappointed Hibs are just sitting back and saying nothing, are they happy to have players mixing with Celtic players potentially catching something?

[hibbysam]

Lennon out tonight giving all the performance benefits of the trip. If that’s the sole reason for the trip then they should be hammered for it. In the middle of a domestic competition, a dangerous trip to gain an advantage over your competitors would be one of the last reasons you should be going.

[hibbysam]

I feel safer in Dubai than I do in the UK ... 10% of the population already vaccinated and less than 1-1.5% positive each day from approximately 150,000 tests (which include every inbound passenger) - also masks mandatory with £600 fine if caught without.

I’m more shocked that they aren’t staying in a resort type accommodation with training facilities like La Manga in Spain ... instead they are staying in the Marina/JBR area in a plush hotel in the heart of the tourist area and traveling 30/40 minutes to NAS Sports Complex - seems like a jolly boys outing more than anything - hope we get a 3-0 win because they don’t get back on time 👀!

Whether it is safer or not isn’t the point, travelling on a plane with hundreds of others, along with mixing with members of the public over there, while delaying games over here, and not catching up on games they have missed, it’s a shambles of a trip. It isn’t essential travel therefore it shouldn’t have been taken.

[Peevemor]

Whether it is safer or not isn’t the point, travelling on a plane with hundreds of others, along with mixing with members of the public over there, while delaying games over here, and not catching up on games they have missed, it’s a shambles of a trip. It isn’t essential travel therefore it shouldn’t have been taken.Somebody on here said that they chartered the plane.

[ancient hibee]

I’m quite disappointed Hibs are just sitting back and saying nothing, are they happy to have players mixing with Celtic players potentially catching something?


It’s always foolish to fire the gun if you don’t have a definite target. Keep the powder dry.

[04Sauzee]

The Scottish FA will not investigate Celtic's decision to travel to Dubai for a winter training camp.

From skysports

[Peevemor]

The Scottish FA will not investigate Celtic's decision to travel to Dubai for a winter training camp.

From skysports


That's to be expected. As long as they hammer them if they step out of line.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

The Scottish FA will not investigate Celtic's decision to travel to Dubai for a winter training camp.

From skysports

I rest my case.

[Keith_M]

The Scottish FA will not investigate Celtic's decision to travel to Dubai for a winter training camp.

From skysports


And in other news... extensive investigations have found that it is indeed dark in the middle of the night, the Moon is not actually made of cheese and Donald Trump is a complete roaster

[HibeeHibernian4]

I wouldn’t want to investigate something that I gave my full blessing for because I was too cowardly to tell Celtic no.

[neil7908]

Even if their players get covid we know it'll just mean postponing games. Zero chance Celtic will see any repercussions of form this trip.

Even if the trip itself has been approved, surely their is clear evidence they aren't distancing, and should be getting done for that?

[Peevemor]

Even if their players get covid we know it'll just mean postponing games. Zero chance Celtic will see any repercussions of form this trip.

Even if the trip itself has been approved, surely their is clear evidence they aren't distancing, and should be getting done for that?

If they can't play because of Covid infections and there is proof that Celtic FC (and not individual players) broke protocols, they will forfeit the matches concerned. A precedent has been set, even though it's being appealed.

[gbhibby]

If they can't play because of Covid infections and there is proof that Celtic FC (and not individual players) broke protocols, they will forfeit the matches concerned. A precedent has been set, even though it's being appealed.
You cannot make players different from any other employees of the club. It's called collective responsibility.

[Peevemor]

You cannot make players different from any other employees of the club. It's called collective responsibility.

I wasn't meaning to make that distinction.

I was simply ging by precedents that ave been set. If the club are in the wrong (eg. inadequate provision for social distancing) then the club could be punished. If players/employees are in the wrong (eg. sitting squeezed around a table in a bar), then the player will be punished.

[gbhibby]

I wasn't meaning to make that distinction.

I was simply ging by precedents that ave been set. If the club are in the wrong (eg. inadequate provision for social distancing) then the club could be punished. If players/employees are in the wrong (eg. sitting squeezed around a table in a bar), then the player will be punished.
If a player or group of players actions cause a game to be postponed the club are being held responsible. My point in previous posts is the sanctions imposed by the SPFL were inconsistent. Players need to behave in a responsible manner as they are in a very fortunate position during this pandemic.

[Peevemor]

If a player or group of players actions cause a game to be postponed the club are being held responsible. My point in previous posts is the sanctions imposed by the SPFL were inconsistent. Players need to behave in a responsible manner as they are in a very fortunate position during this pandemic.

Aberdeen & Celtic weren't held responsible when their players stepped out of line in their own time.

St Mirren & Kilmarnock were held responsible for failing to comply with protocols in things (eating & travelling) that the clubs had organised.

I don't see anything inconsistent in that.

[gbhibby]

Aberdeen & Celtic weren't held responsible when their players stepped out of line in their own time.

St Mirren & Kilmarnock were held responsible for failing to comply with protocols in things (eating & travelling) that the clubs had organised.

I don't see anything inconsistent in that.
I do as both breaks of protocols at the time caused games to be postponed. There are plenty of slots available for games to be played.

[Peevemor]

I do as both breaks of protocols at the time caused games to be postponed. There are plenty of slots available for games to be played.

That's not how the SFA/SPFL see it.

[neil7908]

Aberdeen & Celtic weren't held responsible when their players stepped out of line in their own time.

St Mirren & Kilmarnock were held responsible for failing to comply with protocols in things (eating & travelling) that the clubs had organised.

I don't see anything inconsistent in that.

This is an interesting one as their players are away on an official club activity. They aren't on their own time surely?

For me, this is no different from St Mirren or Killie players not spacing on a bus. Celtic players are away on a Celtic football club trip, and the club should therefore be responsible for breaches based on the precedent.

But I'm sure the SFA etc won't see it like that.

[gbhibby]

That's not how the SFA/SPFL see it.
I know that but St Mirren and Killie have lodged appeals which I hope they win. Celtic could have played two games they have in hand this week likewise the other sides affected by postponements could have played games to catch up.

[gbhibby]

This is an interesting one as their players are away on an official club activity. They aren't on their own time surely?

For me, this is no different from St Mirren or Killie players not spacing on a bus. Celtic players are away on a Celtic football club trip, and the club should therefore be responsible for breaches based on the precedent.

But I'm sure the SFA etc won't see it like that.
That's why if the outcome is a match postponement you can't differentiate.

[Peevemor]

I know that but St Mirren and Killie have lodged appeals which I hope they win. Celtic could have played two games they have in hand this week likewise the other sides affected by postponements could have played games to catch up.

For the moment there are precedents that have been set. These may well by changed by the outcome of the appeals.

However I agree with the stances taken, ie. a club that scews up it's organisation in terms of the current protocols resulting in them being unable to send a squad to a match should forfeit that match, but players that screw up in their own time should be punished individually.

[Peevemor]

This is an interesting one as their players are away on an official club activity. They aren't on their own time surely?

For me, this is no different from St Mirren or Killie players not spacing on a bus. Celtic players are away on a Celtic football club trip, and the club should therefore be responsible for breaches based on the precedent.

But I'm sure the SFA etc won't see it like that.

If none of their party are infected despite photos showing that they haven't respected protocols should they be punished?

If the players/staff mix with outsiders in the hotel bar in their down (own) time and are infected, who should be punished - club or individuals?

If 2-3 of their party are infected but it doesn't stop them sending a team toplay Hibs, should there be any punishment?

These are far less black and white than the St Mirren/Killie - Celtic/Aberdeen issues IMO.

[gbhibby]

For the moment there are precedents that have been set. These may well by changed by the outcome of the appeals.

However I agree with the stances taken, ie. a club that scews up it's organisation in terms of the current protocols resulting in them being unable to send a squad to a match should forfeit that match, but players that screw up in their own time should be punished individually.I agree that players should be punished by their employers and clubs will have their own disciplinary procedures for that. My point is that if somebody in the club office screws up why is that different to a player if the outcome leads to a game postponement.

[Peevemor]

I agree that players should be punished by their employers and clubs will have their own disciplinary procedures for that. My point is that if somebody in the club office screws up why is that different to a player if the outcome leads to a game postponement.

Because a club shouldn't be held responsible for what players do in their own time.

[Speedy]

For the moment there are precedents that have been set. These may well by changed by the outcome of the appeals.

However I agree with the stances taken, ie. a club that scews up it's organisation in terms of the current protocols resulting in them being unable to send a squad to a match should forfeit that match, but players that screw up in their own time should be punished individually.

I don't think a precedent has really been set.

Firstly because it is being appealed, but also because it's not clear which elements would apply to future cases.

It would be very easy for the next ruling to be different because x,y,z are slightly different.

[Peevemor]

I don't think a precedent has really been set.

Firstly because it is being appealed, but also because it's not clear which elements would apply to future cases.

It would be very easy for the next ruling to be different because x,y,z are slightly different.

If there are differences, however slight, then the precedents shouldn't automatically be applied.

And as I said, the precedents may well change depending on the outcome of the appeals.

For me the sanctions up until now have been fairly logical.

[hibbysam]

Because a club shouldn't be held responsible for what players do in their own time.

This trip isn’t their own time though. The guidance on hotels are clear, so players should never encounter anyone outside their ‘bubble’... from the moment they have left to the moment they land then they are on club duty and thus it is the responsibility of the club to ensure players are following procedures and protocols.

[Peevemor]

This trip isn’t their own time though. The guidance on hotels are clear, so players should never encounter anyone outside their ‘bubble’... from the moment they have left to the moment they land then they are on club duty and thus it is the responsibility of the club to ensure players are following procedures and protocols.I agree, but it wouldn't be the first time that players have "misbehaved" on a foreign trip.

What if Neil Lennon tucks them all up in their beds, but a couple get up again and sneak out to a club? Who's to blame?

What if photos are taken of players in a night club but they aren't infected - should there be SFA/SPFL punishment?

I don't know the answers and again it demonstrates how daft they were to go on the trip at such a sensitive time.

[Aldo]

This is more concerning imho.....


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[Jim44]

Sorry if already posted:

https://www.67hailhail.com/news/worrying-report-emerges-as-kilmarnock-set-to-cite-celtic-dubai-trip/amp/

[gbhibby]

Because a club shouldn't be held responsible for what players do in their own time.
So if a member of the support staff go out on the bevvy in their own time which results in a postponement of a game should the club be punished. If the result of a break in protocols results is a game being postponed the sanctions should be same. Killie and St Mirren were guilty of minor infractions nothing more. The SPFL need to sort this mess out.

[blackpoolhibs]

So if a member of the support staff go out on the bevvy in their own time which results in a postponement of a game should the club be punished. If the result of a break in protocols results is a game being postponed the sanctions should be same. Killie and St Mirren were guilty of minor infractions nothing more. The SPFL need to sort this mess out.

They are on an official club trip, and while they are they should all adhere to the correct protocols.

[Gmack7]

Sorry if already posted:

https://www.67hailhail.com/news/worrying-report-emerges-as-kilmarnock-set-to-cite-celtic-dubai-trip/amp/

Seems reasonable to me

[Dmas]

4 Man City players return from Dubai positive, they’ve successfully had there game against West Ham postponed on Saturday

https://twitter.com/alistairmagowan/status/1347151764953427970?s=21

[JimBHibees]

4 Man City players return from Dubai positive, they’ve successfully had there game against West Ham postponed on Saturday

https://twitter.com/alistairmagowan/status/1347151764953427970?s=21

Seems a strange one but pretty much the same arrogance as Celtic. The other team should get the points. This is the women's EPL.

[Moulin Yarns]

4 Man City players return from Dubai positive, they’ve successfully had there game against West Ham postponed on Saturday

https://twitter.com/alistairmagowan/status/1347151764953427970?s=21

Women's team.

[Allez Hibs]

Strange comments from Jack Ross considering his team has been messed about.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6505638/hibs-ross-sturgeon-scottish-football-celtic-dubai/amp/

[Andy74]

Strange comments from Jack Ross considering his team has been messed about.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/6505638/hibs-ross-sturgeon-scottish-football-celtic-dubai/amp/

What’s strange about his comments?

He’s talking about everything we’ve had to do so far and the costs and yet football is continually scrutinised. He also said he can only talk about us.

In teens of being messed about. We’ve had a game put back 2 days and as it works out we probably needed the rest.

[JohnMcM]

Presumably their players need to tested on return from Dubai (whenever that is), and proved negative before they play against us, and if anyone is positive they all self-isolate?

If the game can't be played do we get the points?

[Jim44]

Unfortunately, I wouldn’t think so. Is it not the case that their Jolly was ill-advised but not illegal? In other cases, the clubs were found to be actually breaking ‘Coved’ regulations and punished accordingly.

[JimBHibees]

Unfortunately, I wouldn’t think so. Is it not the case that their Jolly was ill-advised but not illegal? In other cases, the clubs were found to be actually breaking ‘Coved’ regulations and punished accordingly.

Think some of the pictures from the trip seemed to question whether they were socially distancing properly

[Carheenlea]

If Dubai is in the travel corridor then I’m not sure what the situation is with testing. As it stands, Celtic will probably be testing regularly anyway within the SPFL regulations.

[Wheat Hound]

On a slight tangent, I see several of the games on Wed 3rd Feb have been moved to a 6pm kick off. Wonder if our game away to St Mirren will follow suit?

[Sir David Gray]

Presumably their players need to tested on return from Dubai (whenever that is), and proved negative before they play against us, and if anyone is positive they all self-isolate?

If the game can't be played do we get the points?

They'll be tested in line with the SPFL rules but the mandatory negative testing on arrivals from abroad won't be in place by the time they return.

[Billy Whizz]

With Biton suspended, and Julian out injured, wonder who they’ll play at centre half on Monday night
Should be a good time to have a go at them. Although they played well at Ibrox, they will be fragile after losing the last game

[JohnMcM]

Jim44, Carheenlea and Sir David Gray. Thanks for your replies.

[Wee Scottie Dug]

I see the bbc have outdone themselves again in the weekend preview - they think the game on Monday is at Easter road :rolleyes: feckless clowns :na na:

Just in case they retract it shortly

Celtic need to hit ground running

Celtic are feeling the heat, and not just because they have been in Dubai all week.

The Glasgow club and jaunts that attract government criticism are becoming a recurring theme. Back in August it was Boli Bolingoli's clandestine trip to Spain. This time it's the club's fully-sanctioned winter training camp in the United Arab Emirates that has brought disdain from politicians and punters alike.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of jetting off abroad while the rest of Scotland is stuck in lockdown, Neil Lennon's side need to hit the ground at Easter Road running upon their return.

Following last weekend's defeat to Rangers, Celtic simply can't afford an slip-ups if they are to revive their fast fading 10-in-a-row title hopes.

On Monday night they visit a Hibs side also seeking some new year cheer. Their current slump of three straight losses is the worst run of Jack Ross' tenure and Hibs have slipped behind Aberdeen into fourth. A first victory over Celtic in two years would be a good place to start the recovery.

[Scorrie]

With Biton suspended, and Julian out injured, wonder who they’ll play at centre half on Monday night
Should be a good time to have a go at them. Although they played well at Ibrox, they will be fragile after losing the last game

Duffy...please!

[ekhibee]

I think I would piss myself laughing if Celtic had to quarantine, couldn’t fulfill fixtures and lost 2/3 games by 3-0 reverse. It would be fantastic.

Totally agree, and they shouldn't be allowed to appeal it either as they went fully aware of the current Covid restrictions in place! It won't happen though, even if it should.

[JimBHibees]

With Biton suspended, and Julian out injured, wonder who they’ll play at centre half on Monday night
Should be a good time to have a go at them. Although they played well at Ibrox, they will be fragile after losing the last game

They are trying to get Filip Benkovic again on loan from Leicester.

[Since90+2]

I see the bbc have outdone themselves again in the weekend preview - they think the game on Monday is at Easter road :rolleyes: feckless clowns :na na:

Just in case they retract it shortly

Celtic need to hit ground running

Celtic are feeling the heat, and not just because they have been in Dubai all week.

The Glasgow club and jaunts that attract government criticism are becoming a recurring theme. Back in August it was Boli Bolingoli's clandestine trip to Spain. This time it's the club's fully-sanctioned winter training camp in the United Arab Emirates that has brought disdain from politicians and punters alike.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of jetting off abroad while the rest of Scotland is stuck in lockdown, Neil Lennon's side need to hit the ground at Easter Road running upon their return.

Following last weekend's defeat to Rangers, Celtic simply can't afford an slip-ups if they are to revive their fast fading 10-in-a-row title hopes.

On Monday night they visit a Hibs side also seeking some new year cheer. Their current slump of three straight losses is the worst run of Jack Ross' tenure and Hibs have slipped behind Aberdeen into fourth. A first victory over Celtic in two years would be a good place to start the recovery.

10 in a row is already gone. There's absolutely no chance they are making up a 19 point gap on Sevco.

[JimBHibees]

I see the bbc have outdone themselves again in the weekend preview - they think the game on Monday is at Easter road :rolleyes: feckless clowns :na na:

Just in case they retract it shortly

Celtic need to hit ground running

Celtic are feeling the heat, and not just because they have been in Dubai all week.

The Glasgow club and jaunts that attract government criticism are becoming a recurring theme. Back in August it was Boli Bolingoli's clandestine trip to Spain. This time it's the club's fully-sanctioned winter training camp in the United Arab Emirates that has brought disdain from politicians and punters alike.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of jetting off abroad while the rest of Scotland is stuck in lockdown, Neil Lennon's side need to hit the ground at Easter Road running upon their return.

Following last weekend's defeat to Rangers, Celtic simply can't afford an slip-ups if they are to revive their fast fading 10-in-a-row title hopes.

On Monday night they visit a Hibs side also seeking some new year cheer. Their current slump of three straight losses is the worst run of Jack Ross' tenure and Hibs have slipped behind Aberdeen into fourth. A first victory over Celtic in two years would be a good place to start the recovery.

What an awful article that is truly mind boggling in how inaccurate the content is.

[Northernhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55603267

We should be refusing to play this game - photos that appear to show a lack of masks and distancing and an admittance of "slip-ups".

I don't care how minor things are, it just takes a "minor" slip up to lead to a major outbreak. We can't guarantee the safety of our players and we should be receiving a 3-0 win.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55603267

We should be refusing to play this game - photos that appear to show a lack of masks and distancing and an admittance of "slip-ups".

I don't care how minor things are, it just takes a "minor" slip up to lead to a major outbreak. We can't guarantee the safety of our players and we should be receiving a 3-0 win.

We should certainly be raising our concerns with the top of the SPFL and using Kennedy's comments as justification.

[Billy Whizz]

We should certainly be raising our concerns with the top of the SPFL and using Kennedy's comments as justification.

Heard Kennedy say earlier that they were tested on arrival at Glasgow airport, and will get the results tomorrow

[Moulin Yarns]

Heard Kennedy say earlier that they were tested on arrival at Glasgow airport, and will get the results tomorrow

They arrived back yesterday afternoon, what stopped the game going ahead today?

[pedroorange1875]

They arrived back yesterday afternoon, what stopped the game going ahead today?

Their sense of entitlement, and running of the GFA

[PatHead]

They arrived back yesterday afternoon, what stopped the game going ahead today?

Testing?

[CMurdoch]

Heard Kennedy say earlier that they were tested on arrival at Glasgow airport, and will get the results tomorrow

Yeah, heard that.
Weather forecast is better for Monday than it was today although it is being played in the evening so it will be extremely cauld. Something for us supporters to look forward to.

[B.H.F.C]

Think it’s difficult for clubs to complain about what players of other teams are doing when their own players will, undoubtedly, be guilty of similar things that just aren’t caught on camera.

That’s not a defence of Celtic’s daft trip to Dubai.

[broondog]

Bending over backwards again for Glasgow’s teams, anyone surprised? We should be awarded a 3-0 though, but that’s not how Scottish football works

[Peevemor]

Bending over backwards again for Glasgow’s teams, anyone surprised? We should be awarded a 3-0 though, but that’s not how Scottish football worksWho has bent over for them?

[Carheenlea]

Come on guys, you heard what John Kennedy said - we need to move on.

Nothing more to see.

[Carheenlea]

They arrived back yesterday afternoon, what stopped the game going ahead today?

Hibs being ordered to play on Monday night basically.

[Turkish Green]

Who has bent over for them?

As far as I am aware, "bum-sneezing" is not how you catch the virus.

[Tambo]

I could be wrong but I thought this game was on sky one? Have looked and says it's not on the listings.

[NthCarolinaHibs]

I could be wrong but I thought this game was on sky one? Have looked and says it's not on the listings.

Sky sports football and Main event..

[we are hibs]

Celtic player tests positive.

[Callum_62]

1 celtic player tests positive for covid

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[NC1875]

Celtic player tests positive.

Game should be off and we get the 3 points. Absolute shambles we have to put our players at risk because they wanted a wee jolly to Dubai.

[Hibby70]

Celtic player tests positive.

Surprise surprise.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s was a stick on. Won’t be down to anything they’ve done of course...

[Jamesie]

Celtic have reported one of their players has tested positive for Covid...

[Moulin Yarns]

Celtic have reported one of their players has tested positive for Covid...

Who do we want it to be?

[Sylar]

Game should be off and we get the 3 points. Absolute shambles we have to put our players at risk because they wanted a wee jolly to Dubai.

Couldn't agree more. Why is only the one player being forced to miss out? No danger they didn't have contact with any other players...

[neil7908]

Celtic have reported one of their players has tested positive for Covid...

Will be surprised if its just one. Although it could be a false positive. P

[SiinDubai]

Who do we want it to be?

Hope it’s not that dodge keeper

[pedroorange1875]

1 celtic player tests positive for covid

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Rubbish, they were very careful, followed the right protocols. The Scottish government told the virus to leave them alone, and there is no covid in Dubai or a lockdown here

[AugustaHibs]

Hibs have go out publicly and say they are refusing to play.

[B.H.F.C]

Couldn't agree more. Why is only the one player being forced to miss out? No danger they didn't have contact with any other players...

Given there is a picture of them all sitting together (not distancing) in the hotel last week, I trust Hibs will be asking that question.

[lord bunberry]

Couldn't agree more. Why is only the one player being forced to miss out? No danger they didn't have contact with any other players...

That’s a good point, whoever has been in close contact with the player will have to self isolate. It will be interesting to see who else misses this game as there’s no way that other members of the squad won’t have been in close contact with the player.

[Magpie]

Hibs have go out publicly and say they are refusing to play.

Now Dempster has gone who’s going to wear the trousers.

[SHODAN]

If one of them has it, and they've been clearly not social distancing, they all have it.

We should not be playing this game and should be awarded the 3-0.

[Barney McGrew]

Hibs have go out publicly and say they are refusing to play.

:agree:

[Chorley Hibee]

They'll try to play this game minus the affected player, despite the fact that all close contacts (negative tests or not) should be isolating.

There is every chance the players testing negative could be positive within the next 10/14 days.

Hibs should be refusing to play this game should it be given the go-ahead.

[DarrenSQH]

Need to refuse to play. They've all been on a flight which could easily pass it. If we catch it for them we coukd have an outbreak and have the semi 11 days after celtic away.

[we are hibs]

John kennedy actually admitted they had breached the guidelines whilst in dubai.

Its almost as if they want the football stopped..

[NC1875]

My apprentice was in contact with someone who subsequently had a positive Covid test and has been sat in the house for the last week while I struggle on my own at work.

Yet one player tests positive and because the others have negative tests just now they’re allowed to play ? Ridiculous

[Barney McGrew]

Regardless of a negative test result, if you are a close contact of someone who has tested positive then you must isolate:

But you may still need to self-isolate if:


someone you live with has tested positive – find out how long to self-isolate (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/how-long-to-self-isolate/)
you've been told you've been in contact with someone who tested positive – find out what to do if you're told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/)


Its pretty clear that the player who has tested positive will have been in close contact with plenty of others - unless we are going to be told by Celtic that we’re to believe they socially distanced from all other players at all times :rolleyes:

[Since452]

Celtic should be absolutely hammered for this

[hibbysam]

So we know the virus has an incubation period (hence the self isolation time of 10 days), so we know this player had it pre-trip, so now I’d expect them to have a lot of cases come next week. Therefore putting majority of our players at risk tomorrow. Negative tests don’t mean they don’t have the virus. Hibs should be nowhere near Celtic park tomorrow.

[bingo70]

If one of them has it, and they've been clearly not social distancing, they all have it.

We should not be playing this game and should be awarded the 3-0.

Aguerro isn’t allowed to play for Man City as although he’s tested negative, he’s been around someone who has tested positive so needs to self isolate.

It can take a couple of days for it to show up in tests for other players so the fact they’ve tested negative just now is neither here nor there. They’ve all been in an indoor area for more than 15 minutes with the player so all need to isolate.

Negative tests can be unreliable, just need tk ask Gogic about that, that’s why he had to miss the Aberdeen game.

[Magpie]

Regardless of a negative test result, if you are a close contact of someone who has tested positive then you must isolate:



you've been told you've been in contact with someone who tested positive – find out what to do if you're told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/)

Its pretty clear that the player who has tested positive will have been in close contact with plenty of others - unless we are going to be told by Celtic that we’re to believe they socially distanced from all other players at all times :rolleyes:

Is it a different rule for Elite sport?

[Billy Whizz]

Regardless of a negative test result, if you are a close contact of someone who has tested positive then you must isolate:



you've been told you've been in contact with someone who tested positive – find out what to do if you're told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/)

Its pretty clear that the player who has tested positive will have been in close contact with plenty of others - unless we are going to be told by Celtic that we’re to believe they socially distanced from all other players at all times :rolleyes:

Happened to Christie and Tierney, when Stuart Armstrong tested positive with Scotland

[Jim44]

If we refused to play, would they not just award a 3-0 win to Celtic?

[hibbysam]

If we refused to play, would they not just award a 3-0 win to Celtic?

Probably but I’d far rather we stood up to it, for the sake of the safety of our players, staff and family, with the backing of the majority of Scotland.

[Blaster]

If we refused to play, would they not just award a 3-0 win to Celtic?

Yes. Hibs just can’t simply say they are not going to play

[Sylar]

John kennedy actually admitted they had breached the guidelines whilst in dubai.

Its almost as if they want the football stopped..

I've heard a few Sevconians make this argument recently and dismissed it as paranoid rubbish, but when I heard him say that (combined with them going to Dubai rather than playing their games in hand), I did ponder whether there was something to it.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes. Hibs just can’t simply say they are not going to play

Of course we can’t
We played St Mirren when they had players who tested positive, and couldn’t play

[Andymac85]

Right, so Celtic have had a player test positive on returning from Dubai. The whole squad has sat on a plane together returning to Scotland. Would that not make it likely that more positive tests are to come given the incubation period?

[bingo70]

Is it a different rule for Elite sport?

https://twitter.com/mancity/status/1348298583108431874?s=21

Not in England according to Guardiola.

St Mirren keepers earlier in the season had to miss a game because of that too, so did the Hamilton player that flat shared with one of them.

[Moulin Yarns]

Need to refuse to play. They've all been on a flight which could easily pass it. If we catch it for them we coukd have an outbreak and have the semi 11 days after celtic away.

Remember Glasgow Rugby having games called off after playing Exeter and some players catching it from them.

[Barney McGrew]

If we refused to play, would they not just award a 3-0 win to Celtic?

I think the SPFL would be on a real sticky wicket if Hibs did refuse to play on grounds of the health and safety of club employees and they then awarded Celtic the points.

[bingo70]

Of course we can’t
We played St Mirren when they had players who tested positive, and couldn’t play

St Mirren players had all been kept in a separate bubble from each other though.

Celtic players have all been on a long haul flight together, they all need to isolate, regardless of the fact they’ve had negative tests. That’s the protocol and there’s not an exception for elite sportsman.

[Barney McGrew]

Right, so Celtic have had a player test positive on returning from Dubai. The whole squad has sat on a plane together returning to Scotland. Would that not make it likely that more positive tests are to come given the incubation period?

It’s pretty much a nap unfortunately

[BegbieHSC]

Absolutely disgraceful. In the midst of a pandemic, while the rest of us are locked down, they’ve buggered off to sit at a pool, and one of their players have got the virus.

I’d absolutely refuse to play if I were Hibs. If they want to force us in to a forfeit, fine. It’ll only outline how out of order Celtic are, and how complicit the SPFL are. Our player’s safety is priority, and I’d not be comfortable playing at all tomorrow were I them.

[Brightside]

If they somehow claim the player wasn’t in close contact with others......

[lord bunberry]

St Mirren players had all been kept in a separate bubble from each other though.

Celtic players have all been on a long haul flight together, they all need to isolate, regardless of the fact they’ve had negative tests. That’s the protocol and there’s not an exception for elite sportsman.
Is that the rules regarding a positive test after being on a flight?

[davhibby]

The whole killie team was made to isolate earlier in the season, I’d be surprised based on the pictures from this week if there’s not at least 4/5 others that have to isolate. If the whole team is made to isolate Celtic might play with their youth team instead of knowing a 3-0 is coming their way if it’s postponed?

[lord bunberry]

8/1 hibs for tomorrow. Could be a huge price if Celtic have to play the laddies.

[greenginger]

Could Celtic not cobble together a team of players who weren’t on the trip.

[Northernhibee]

Absolutely disgraceful. In the midst of a pandemic, while the rest of us are locked down, they’ve buggered off to sit at a pool, and one of their players have got the virus.

I’d absolutely refuse to play if I were Hibs. If they want to force us in to a forfeit, fine. It’ll only outline how out of order Celtic are, and how complicit the SPFL are. Our player’s safety is priority, and I’d not be comfortable playing at all tomorrow were I them.

This. I'm sure that if we took it to UEFA they'd see dimly on a club being forced to play against a team who we know haven't been following protocol and have had a player test positive.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

We won’t say a word. We will turn up like the good little boys that we are. The media/govt won’t do or say anything as well.

[bingo70]

Is that the rules regarding a positive test after being on a flight?

Not sure if it’s the case regarding a flight but I assume so.

When someone I know tested positive recently, they asked if they had been indoors for anyone for a 15 minute period or longer.

I would assume an aeroplane would count as that, as would the airport and hotel they shared.

Did they use the toilet on the flight? Wonder if it was one of the players pictured in the bar.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

We'll see how the weak livered SPFL deal with this, game should be forfeited and 3 points awarded to us, end off.

[SteveHFC]

We won’t say a word. We will turn up like the good little boys that we are. The media/govt won’t do or say anything as well.

Our board should be refusing to play this fixture tomorrow. But they won't do a ****ing thing.

[B.H.F.C]

If they try to claim nobody else has been a close contact, they’re lying.

[lord bunberry]

Not sure if it’s the case regarding a flight but I assume so.

When someone I know tested positive recently, they asked if they had been indoors for anyone for a 15 minute period or longer.

I would assume an aeroplane would count as that, as would the airport and hotel they shared.

Did they use the toilet on the flight? Wonder if it was one of the players pictured in the bar.
I hope so, it’s exactly what they deserve.

[Lendo]

8/1 hibs for tomorrow. Could be a huge price if Celtic have to play the laddies.

If i lumped on Hibs -2 goals would the bookie pay out if we were awarded a 3-0 win if they can’t complete the fixture

[Moulin Yarns]

We won’t say a word. We will turn up like the good little boys that we are. The media/govt won’t do or say anything as well.

Our players should be talking to the the PFA

[Chorley Hibee]

Our board should be refusing to play this fixture tomorrow. But they won't do a ****ing thing.

I'll be really disappointed if this is the case, but not surprised.

[Andymac85]

If they somehow claim the player wasn’t in close contact with others......

They were on a plane with circulated air. I know they have filtration systems, but experts are sceptical as to whether that would prevent COVID from circulating through the cabin. Hence why is is so moronic to go on an optional flight to Dubai.

[Carheenlea]

Hibs really should be expressing serious concerns about this. Maybe we are doing so quietly behind the scenes rather than public hot air.

Given John Kennedy’s admittance of a few errors of judgement durning the trip and subsequently telling us to forget about it and move on, this solitary positive case should be an alarm call and the chances are it may not be the last from this excursion. It would be foolish just to crack on regardless hoping for the best while waiting for the next test results.

[Dmas]

I've made my thoughts on them being allowed to go clear previously on this thread but I've a question for anyone more up on the rules on the covid cases in football..

Scotland game i cant mind who against, Ryan Christie and Kieran Tierney where stopped from playing because they had spent time in the company of Stuart Armstrong who had a positive test prior to the game.

Celtic now have 1 positive test and the whole squad and management team have been in close proximity to that person on a plane taking away the incubation period does the fact they have been in contact not mean a 10 day isolation period as per Christie and Tierney?

[B.H.F.C]

Not sure if it’s the case regarding a flight but I assume so.

When someone I know tested positive recently, they asked if they had been indoors for anyone for a 15 minute period or longer.

I would assume an aeroplane would count as that, as would the airport and hotel they shared.

Did they use the toilet on the flight? Wonder if it was one of the players pictured in the bar.

Remember there was the instance with Scotland 21s a couple of months back that had ended up with 10 or 11 isolating. That was all based on where they’d been sitting on planes and buses. Porteous was on the flight but didn’t have to isolate, was obviously deemed to be not close enough.

[Heisenberg]

If the player that’s tested positive was in Dubai on the jolly up and no other “close contacts” are identified it’s a massive risk playing them tomorrow. The player will have been on the flights, in the pubs and breaking the rules with the rest of the squad.

[hibee1875]

If i lumped on Hibs -2 goals would the bookie pay out if we were awarded a 3-0 win if they can’t complete the fixture

Doubt it as that would be result on 90mins

[SteveHFC]

I'll be really disappointed if this is the case, but not surprised.
:agree:

We should be refusing to play this game tomorrow night.

[lord bunberry]

If i lumped on Hibs -2 goals would the bookie pay out if we were awarded a 3-0 win if they can’t complete the fixture

No they’d void the bet. I’ve lumped on as well, if they turn up with a full team I’ll just cash out.

[Moulin Yarns]

They were on a plane with circulated air. I know they have filtration systems, but experts are sceptical as to whether that would prevent COVID from circulating through the cabin. Hence why is is so moronic to go on an optional flight to Dubai.

8 hours each way

[Coco Bryce]

If the player that’s tested positive was in Dubai on the jolly up and no other “close contacts” are identified it’s a massive risk playing them tomorrow. The player will have been on the flights, in the pubs and breaking the rules with the rest of the squad.

He was according to Sky Sports

[Sylar]

Apparently Jullien who's tested positive (according to some of the Celtc fans on Twitter).

[davhibby]

If they try to claim nobody else has been a close contact, they’re lying.

Thankfully it’s not their decision. Assuming they were still using the gps trackers at training whilst away they’ll be looked at and the seating arrangements on the flight home etc will be used. Then after the pictures from earlier in the week it’ll be down to whether the NHS believe what they’re being told about what’s been happening outside of that

[Barney McGrew]

If the player that’s tested positive was in Dubai on the jolly up and no other “close contacts” are identified it’s a massive risk playing them tomorrow. The player will have been on the flights, in the pubs and breaking the rules with the rest of the squad.

A close contact is defined as someone who has been less than 2m away for a period of 15 minutes or more. So that will be anyone that sat next to them for meals, at the pool or on the plane (and those in the rows in front and behind them)

But obviously we’ll no doubt be expected to believe that no one was that close.

[NC1875]

A close contact is defined as someone who has been less than 2m away for a period of 15 minutes or more. So that will be anyone that sat next to them for meals, at the pool or on the plane (and those in the rows in front and behind them)

But obviously we’ll no doubt be expected to believe that no one was that close.

Of course, Jullien is a loner and none of his team mates like him. He also doesn’t like sharing a room with anyone and always eats alone.

[davhibby]

Julien is injured so won’t have been in Dubai and surely won’t have been tested

[Eyrie]

Celtc will ignore the rules about close contacts needing to isolate (despite being on the plane and the poolside photos) and the SPFL will let them get away with it because it's an Ugly Sister.

The only outcome will be Kilmarnock and St Mirren winning their appeals.

[Barney McGrew]

Julien is injured so won’t have been in Dubai

That’s convenient.

[Sylar]

Julien is injured so won’t have been in Dubai and surely won’t have been tested

He was in Dubai.

No idea if the Celtc fans on Twitter are anywhere approaching accurate with their suggestion it's him!

[Del Boy]

Celtc will ignore the rules about close contacts needing to isolate (despite being on the plane and the poolside photos) and the SPFL will let them get away with it because it's an Ugly Sister.

The only outcome will be Kilmarnock and St Mirren winning their appeals.

Think you’ve summed it up perfectly. If this was any other team they would be utterly hammered for this whole carry on.

[NC1875]

He was in Dubai.

No idea if the Celtc fans on Twitter are anywhere approaching accurate with their suggestion it's him!

The Celtic fans will be hoping it’s Shane Duffy 😂

[davhibby]

I’m not sure why folk think the NHS are going to help Celtic out by ignoring contact tracing just because it’s celtic? Celtic and/or the SPFL have no say in the matter

[cabbageandribs1875]

The Celtic fans will be hoping it’s Shane Duffy 😂


he returned a few days ago for family reasons

[Aldo]

The arrogance of that club has put people at risk.

So a player has tested positive and likelihood is others in close proximity regardless if they have been wearing masks or not will also test positive or have a good chance anyway!

We play them tomorrow and that puts our players at risk!


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[Lee Marvin]

Cant imagine Leitch and Sturgeon sweeping this under the rug. I think we may be playing their under 21s tomorrow

[Jim44]

Questions have to be asked of the SFA and the SPFL for endorsing their jolly to Dubai.

[Sylar]

Cant imagine Leitch and Sturgeon sweeping this under the rug. I think we may be playing their under 21s tomorrow

The bigger concern is whether or not they'll call the season for the time being...

[B.H.F.C]

The bigger concern is whether or not they'll call the season for the time being...

With Celtic players pictured disregarding the rules, I really hope this doesn’t give them the excuse they need.

[Eyrie]

Cant imagine Leitch and Sturgeon sweeping this under the rug. I think we may be playing their under 21s tomorrow

Sturgeon stepping in would be good after her irritation at Celtc going in the first place. Only problem is that Celtc would claim they didn't have enough players available and will get the match postponed.

[MWHIBBIES]

Our board should be refusing to play this fixture tomorrow. But they won't do a ****ing thing.

Poor comment.

[Barney McGrew]

Questions have to be asked of the SFA and the SPFL for endorsing their jolly to Dubai.

Its been pretty widely reported that it was run past them in mid November, long before the new restrictions came into effect.

Things changed dramatically before they went, and any sensible person/club would have pulled the trip.

[bingo70]

Questions have to be asked of the SFA and the SPFL for endorsing their jolly to Dubai.

If Celtic wanted to do it and haven’t broken any rules then it’s not really up to the SFA or SPFL to stop them.

It was a crazy decision from Celtic for this very reason though. I think we’ll be playing their under 21 side tomorrow and it’s entirely Celtic’s fault.

I also think SPFL may just decide to postpone the game, that’s what they’ve done in the last tk help Celtic out.

[Magpie]

Sturgeon stepping in would be good after her irritation at Celtc going in the first place. Only problem is that Celtc would claim they didn't have enough players available and will get the match postponed.

Which should result in a 3-0 win for us.

[McD]

Think it’ll be postponed, which is a nonsense anyway

[SHODAN]

Cant imagine Leitch and Sturgeon sweeping this under the rug. I think we may be playing their under 21s tomorrow

The game will go ahead with a full strength Celtic team, or the game will be postponed for as long as they'd like. It's a ****ing joke.

[Andymac85]

Its been pretty widely reported that it was run past them in mid November, long before the new restrictions came into effect.

Things changed dramatically before they went, and any sensible person/club would have pulled the trip.

That’s fair enough, but any organisation worth a damn is approving / denying things with the caveat that if things change with the virus that decision is null and void.

[Chorley Hibee]

Poor comment.

Do you expect them to comment?

[Lee Marvin]

The game will go ahead with a full strength Celtic team, or the game will be postponed for as long as they'd like. It's a ****ing joke.

I disagree,however if either of the above happen I'd fully support Hibs refusing to play and accept a 3
-0 defeat

[hibbyfraelibby]

No name but surely cooped up in a tube sitting less than 2m apart for 7 hours means all the rest have to self isolate even if they have had a negative test.

https://news.stv.tv/sport/celtic-player-tests-positive-for-covid-following-dubai-trip

[SHODAN]

I disagree,however if either of the above happen I'd fully support Hibs refusing to play and accept a 3
-0 defeat

That'd be my prediction anyway! :greengrin

[bingo70]

Do you expect them to comment?

I think Hibs as a club, have to say something here.

If we just roll over and allow them to play their full strength team here then it’s putting Hibs players and their families at risk. That’s not being overly dramatic either, that’s the nature of Covid and why all these rules have been put in place.

[MWHIBBIES]

Do you expect them to comment?

I expect them to keep our players safe. I don't really care for making this some public drama like some seem to want, based on very little so far.

If it is safe for us to play tomorrow then we should play.

[davhibby]

Celtic have already admitted yesterday they didn’t follow the rules whilst away so if the game doesn’t go ahead the precedent is set that we get awarded the win

[Crab apple]

Celtic really have questions to answer. It was crazy to be travelling across the world at the current time and the pictures which came out do nothing other than suggest this was a jolly. It’s ridiculous that they didn’t even consult with Hibs before the game was moved to Monday.

[SaulGoodman]

Not sure why a thread talking about a Celtic player testing positive for COVID has resulted in digs against OUR board.

Disappointingly not surprised though.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.

[Lendo]

No they’d void the bet. I’ve lumped on as well, if they turn up with a full team I’ll just cash out.

I’ve went £50 on Hibs -1 at 20/1.

[Peevemor]

I'm confident that Hibs will be doing the necessary regarding the match tomorrow. I see no point in accusing anyone of "letting them off with it" until we have confirmation of what is happening and why.

Given that supporters aren't involved, the match could be called off fairly late in the day, allowing all the relevant parties time to do things properly and not rush any decision.

[Callum_62]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.How dare a football Forum not heid the warnings

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[hibbysam]

Not sure why a thread talking about a Celtic player testing positive for COVID has resulted in digs against OUR board.

Disappointingly not surprised though.

Not just our board, it’s fairly standard for every other clubs board, the authorities and the SG, none of them will stand up against the old firm, simple as that. That’s always been the case and will always be the case.

[SaulGoodman]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.

Eh

[lord bunberry]

I’ve went £50 on Hibs -1 at 20/1.
That’s a cracking price.

[Coco Bryce]

Even Celtic fans are disgusted with their clubs behavior over the last week judging by their comments on Twitter.

[BegbieHSC]

I expect them to keep our players safe. I don't really care for making this some public drama like some seem to want, based on very little so far.

If it is safe for us to play tomorrow then we should play.

I get what you’re saying, but I really think we should be making a stand based on the principle of the whole thing.

Celtic going on the trip was nought short of self-entitled arrogance, while the rest of us stay at home unable to see our relatives. Celtic, ever desperate to appear like a prestigious European club like Bayern or Barca going on extravagant training camps have shown a lack of concern (or solidarity for that matter) for everyone else making sacrifice after sacrifice to save lives.
The fact they’ve come back with a positive case is embarrassing for the game. I’d 100% take a 3-0 forfeit for refusing to play if it shows that we believe Celtic’s conduct is completely unacceptable.

[SHODAN]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.

Yes, clearly it is the fault of a couple posters on this specific hibs.net thread that the game is on. :wink:

[Sir David Gray]

Celtic should be hammered for this but they won't be.

[marinello59]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.

Mugs has to be said like Danny Dyer to really make this post sing.

[Gmack7]

I’ve went £50 on Hibs -1 at 20/1.

I've done -2 @100/1 in skybet

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm waiting until the bookies think sellick might have to play their u18's so make hibs huge favourites, THEN i'l put a wad on their u18's winning at huge odds






:)

[Billy Whizz]

i'm waiting until the bookies think sellick might have to play their u18's so make hibs huge favourites, THEN i'l put a wad on their u18's winning at huge odds






:)

Am I right in thinking, that in Scotland only Kilmarnock have had to play their youth team in a game

[HibeeHibernian4]

How dare a football Forum not heid the warnings

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There wasn't a single step of this debacle that wasn't extremely predictable from the second they got the game pushed back 48 hours in November.

Dempster raised some objection but the club should've put up a much stronger showing and refused to play the match on the Monday, it was all to facilitate this ****show and look what's happened. :aok:

As for the posters, there are several of them from the last week or so who just kept repeating "well the SFA allowed it so we can't do anything" as if it that was the problem with Celtic's trip. Everyone could see this coming and lo and behold it's happened. They'll get away with it too is the most frustrating part.

[Carheenlea]

i'm waiting until the bookies think sellick might have to play their u18's so make hibs huge favourites, THEN i'l put a wad on their u18's winning at huge odds






:)

You’ve been a Hibs fan a long time :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

I expect them to keep our players safe. I don't really care for making this some public drama like some seem to want, based on very little so far.

If it is safe for us to play tomorrow then we should play.


Quite agree. Doesn’t matter what the thread is about there are multiple posters on here who always want to criticise the club for something that may or may not happen.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Am I right in thinking, that in Scotland only Kilmarnock have had to play their youth team in a game


if it was longer than a week ago i'l not remember :) but i think they maybe did have to play a make-shift team but was that not against falkirk in a LC group game ?

[Ryan91]

I get what you’re saying, but I really think we should be making a stand based on the principle of the whole thing.

Celtic going on the trip was nought short of self-entitled arrogance, while the rest of us stay at home unable to see our relatives. Celtic, ever desperate to appear like a prestigious European club like Bayern or Barca going on extravagant training camps have shown a lack of concern (or solidarity for that matter) for everyone else making sacrifice after sacrifice to save lives.
The fact they’ve come back with a positive case is embarrassing for the game. I’d 100% take a 3-0 forfeit for refusing to play if it shows that we believe Celtic’s conduct is completely unacceptable.

:agree:

Take a stand on this, punishment be damned.

[Peevemor]

There wasn't a single step of this debacle that wasn't extremely predictable from the second they got the game pushed back 48 hours in November.

Dempster raised some objection but the club should've put up a much stronger showing and refused to play the match on the Monday, it was all to facilitate this ****show and look what's happened. :aok:

As for the posters, there are several of them from the last week or so who just kept repeating "well the SFA allowed it so we can't do anything" as if it that was the problem with Celtic's trip. Everyone could see this coming and lo and behold it's happened. They'll get away with it too is the most frustrating part.The Club objected and went public but you have a pop anyway.

Not one poster on here has said that Celtic were right to go on the trip but you have a pop anyway.

Keep up the good work.

[cabbageandribs1875]

You’ve been a Hibs fan a long time :greengrin



i'm not really wanting to count the years tbf :)

[McD]

There wasn't a single step of this debacle that wasn't extremely predictable from the second they got the game pushed back 48 hours in November.

Dempster raised some objection but the club should've put up a much stronger showing and refused to play the match on the Monday, it was all to facilitate this ****show and look what's happened. :aok:

As for the posters, there are several of them from the last week or so who just kept repeating "well the SFA allowed it so we can't do anything" as if it that was the problem with Celtic's trip. Everyone could see this coming and lo and behold it's happened. They'll get away with it too is the most frustrating part.


LD rejected their request to move the match to Monday. SPFL ruled in celtics favour as the home club. Dumpster went public to make it clear to us that we had refused the request and had been overruled - what else should the club have done to put up a stronger showing?

[HibeeHibernian4]

Cant imagine Leitch and Sturgeon sweeping this under the rug. I think we may be playing their under 21s tomorrow

You can't have been watching Scottish football very long if you think that this ends with anything other than Celtic comprehensively getting away with any meaningful punishment.

[Dunbar Hibee]

It will be their full team. I’ve had a speculative punt on Hibs at 8s nonetheless

[Chorley Hibee]

LD rejected their request to move the match to Monday. SPFL ruled in celtics favour as the home club. Dumpster went public to make it clear to us that we had refused the request and had been overruled - what else should the club have done to put up a stronger showing?

Nothing in that instance, but now we're talking about the health and well-being of Hibs employees and their families.

Hibs should be all over this farce and voicing their concerns.

[HibeeHibernian4]

LD rejected their request to move the match to Monday. SPFL ruled in celtics favour as the home club. Dumpster went public to make it clear to us that we had refused the request and had been overruled - what else should the club have done to put up a stronger showing?

Might have been an idea to write an actual statement, tweeted from the club's official account, rather than have Dempster complain in a personal capacity?

We could've put way more scrutiny on this throughout the entire shambolic episode. It's a wasted battle in some senses but you've got to highlight the corrupt nature of Scottish football that Celtic were ever given blessing to go on this trip.

[Coco Bryce]

The irony of Hibs playing them with the 'Thank You NHS' tops on.

[H18 SFR]

Might have been an idea to write an actual statement, tweeted from the club's official account, rather than have Dempster complain in a personal capacity?

We could've put way more scrutiny on this throughout the entire shambolic episode. It's a wasted battle in some senses but you've got to highlight the corrupt nature of Scottish football that Celtic were ever given blessing to go on this trip.

Celtic getting permission was nothing to do with corruption what so ever.

Incompetence - probably if not definitely.

[Alfred E Newman]

Posters on this thread were warned but shrugged and bought the Celtic bending of the truth that it was all a-okay. Mugs.

Shrugging is right up there with "cupping the ears".
Utter disgrace.

[CentreLine]

I just do not get the clamour for the Scottish game to be pulled but I do think there will be tough questions to be asked over this situation. Players have to take regular tests and if one of their players has tested positive then the Glasgow Health Board will be involved and assess the risk. If they decide there has not been adequate isolation, or they are unable to establish what rules have and have not been broken, sadly I’d expect the game to be cancelled.
Personally I want to see games continue under safe rules but if clubs break the rules. They have to forfeit the game.
Fingers crossed the game goes ahead, seeing Hibs play is one of the few releases from the current crisis and trying to stay within the rules.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Celtic getting permission was nothing to do with corruption what so ever.

Incompetence - probably if not definitely.

Do you seriously think any other club outside of the Old Firm would've got permission to move a game against the Old Firm back 48 hours - especially when the opponents rejected the request?

Just imagine that conversation....

"Hi Neil see that game against Celtic in a couple of months. Can we move it back to the Monday?"

"Ah I've checked with Celtic and they don't want to."

"Ah well we've kind of already booked the tickets to Dubai so you're going to need to move it anyway."

"Oh okay in that case I'll let them know it's happening anyhow."

No non-OF club gets to move the fixture against the wishes of their opponent in the first place.

No non-OF club gets to create a winter break out of thin air.

No non-OF club gets approval to jet off to Dubai during a pandemic.

No non-OF club gets allowed to go on the trip despite cases rising massively throughout December.

No non-OF club gets away with punishment despite players being photographed mingling with the public out in Dubai.

You've got to be kidding me if you think that's not at some level corruption?

[CMurdoch]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

If Celtic can play tomorrow and name a full strength team then we’re may as well just binning Scottish football altogether.

[HibeeHibernian4]

If Celtic can play tomorrow and name a full strength team then we’re may as well just binning Scottish football altogether.

Hope you've got the bin ready because that's exactly what will happen and I will post a full and frank apology on here if I'm wrong. :aok:

[Coco Bryce]

If Celtic can play tomorrow and name a full strength team then we’re may as well just binning Scottish football altogether.

This 100%

If the Scottish Government don't take a serious look at this you can understand why some people just don't take this virus and lockdowns serious.

[Chorley Hibee]

Do you seriously think any other club outside of the Old Firm would've got permission to move a game against the Old Firm back 48 hours - especially when the opponents rejected the request?

Just imagine that conversation....

"Hi Neil see that game against Celtic in a couple of months. Can we move it back to the Monday?"

"Ah I've checked with Celtic and they don't want to."

"Ah well we've kind of already booked the tickets to Dubai so you're going to need to move it anyway."

"Oh okay in that case I'll let them know it's happening anyhow."

No non-OF club gets to move the fixture against the wishes of their opponent in the first place.

No non-OF club gets to create a winter break out of thin air.

No non-OF club gets approval to jet off to Dubai during a pandemic.

No non-OF club gets allowed to go on the trip despite cases rising massively throughout December.

No non-OF club gets away with punishment despite players being photographed mingling with the public out in Dubai.

You've got to be kidding me if you think that's not at some level corruption?

Correct, and one of the many reasons they continually pull **** like this is because they know the authorities, and other clubs, will say and do nothing.

[we are hibs]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.

Tam McManus should know all about roasters tbf. Hes the biggest of the lot.

[Iggy Pope]

Nae wonder Tam McManus thinks hibs.net is full of roasters.
Folk incandescent with rage before the full facts are out.
Keep your powder dry until tomorrow when they have to show their hand.

Has Tam had anything to say on the matter or is he keeping his powder dry to save another public apology?

[Barney McGrew]

Linda Bauld, Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh Uni and regular on BBC over the pandemic, replying to a question on Twitter:

“I'd be very confident that any contacts including while travelling will be required to self-isolate, using existing definitions of a close contact. Plus the club needs to ensure that the player is isolating. That will protect others. Quite astonishing that they went to Dubai”

[HibeeHibernian4]

Correct, and one of the many reasons they continually pull **** like this is because they know the authorities, and other clubs, will say and do nothing.

:agree:

It's how we ended up in this situation in the first place. The JRG, SFA and Scottish government all to some extent allow this trip to happen, thinking not even Celtic would be brazen and reckless enough to go on a glorified holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

Turns out that's exactly what they do and then all three establishment parties are implicated in giving it their blessing, so now they can't actually investigate it.

Hibs should be going on the warpath tomorrow but I'll hold my breath on that happening. That's not an anti-Hibs board thing before people jump on it, it's an anti-40 SPFL boards thing. It's time we ****ing stood up and called this stuff out.

[Aldo]

This 100%

If the Scottish Government don't take a serious look at this you can understand why some people just don't take this virus and lockdowns serious.

The Scottish Government but will the SPFL?? They were quick enough to pull up Killie etc for breaching rules and as others have alluded the assistant manager has confirmed that social distancing rules were broken.

Very simple out come however it’s Celtic and like many things, it’s one rule for one and a rule for them.


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[CMurdoch]

Has Tam had anything to say on the matter or is he keeping his powder dry to save another public apology?

He said "Wow" Must be keeping his powder dry :wink:

Folk should be happy that Celtic appear to have shot themselves in the foot again and as a result we may face a weakened team.
Sometimes you just need to give them enough rope.
Time will tell.

Queue the popcorn

Killie & St Mirren will be cock a hoop. Manna from heaven from Cellik

[Iggy Pope]

:agree:

It's how we ended up in this situation in the first place. The JRG, SFA and Scottish government all to some extent allow this trip to happen, thinking not even Celtic would be brazen and reckless enough to go on a glorified holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

Turns out that's exactly what they do and then all three establishment parties are implicated in giving it their blessing, so now they can't actually investigate it.

Hibs should be going on the warpath tomorrow but I'll hold my breath on that happening. That's not an anti-Hibs board thing before people jump on it, it's an anti-40 SPFL boards thing. It's time we ****ing stood up and called this stuff out.

I think you mean you’ll not hold your breath.
Doing otherwise might be damaging even in these pandemical times...

[McD]

Nothing in that instance, but now we're talking about the health and well-being of Hibs employees and their families.

Hibs should be all over this farce and voicing their concerns.


I’d agree, and I expect we are

[davhibby]

The Scottish Government but will the SPFL?? They were quick enough to pull up Killie etc for breaching rules and as others have alluded the assistant manager has confirmed that social distancing rules were broken.

Very simple out come however it’s Celtic and like many things, it’s one rule for one and a rule for them.


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If the game doesn’t go ahead tomorrow then either we’ll get a 3-0 win or Killie and St Mirren will win their appeals. Tbf I’d probably imagine it would end up the latter

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Hope you've got the bin ready because that's exactly what will happen and I will post a full and frank apology on here if I'm wrong. :aok:

I have a feeling you won’t need to put pen to paper.

Everyone will just roll over and get their belly tickled as per usual.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I think you mean you’ll not hold your breath.
Doing otherwise might be damaging even in these pandemical times...

:greengrin

If holding my breath gets me out of a repeat of the Livi performance I'll take my chances.

[Coco Bryce]

The Scottish Government but will the SPFL?? They were quick enough to pull up Killie etc for breaching rules and as others have alluded the assistant manager has confirmed that social distancing rules were broken.

Very simple out come however it’s Celtic and like many things, it’s one rule for one and a rule for them.


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I think the Scottish Govt have more power than the Spfl. If nothing is done about this the game is ****ed.

[Lendo]

That’s a cracking price.

Bet365

[Souter96Mac]

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but I heard from a Celtic pal that supposedly Duffy left Dubai early for family reasons. May give them a tiny chance to get away with this if he is the positive case whilst he's been away from the squad.