Aberdeen 2 - 0 Hibs

[Magpie]

:agree: although if we don't excuses will be made ie no Marciano for Dundee who lost to Alloa tonight.

Dundee game is a perfect opportunity for those on the bench tonight to make a claim of getting back into the Starting XI.

[houstonhibbee]

It's not rocket science. We just don't have enough quality, as in players who are comfortable on the ball. We've sacrificed that side of it for workmanlike players and it's been successful up to a point. Boring as hell to watch but we were grinding out results. Now that's gone pear shaped we look forward to Plan B....

Not helped by the fact that too many of these workmanlike players were well below par at the same time. Both Doidge and Nisbet struggles and played well below expectations and also Newell and Gogic were well off it

[gaz1875]

:agree: although if we don't excuses will be made ie no Marciano for Dundee who lost to Alloa tonight.

It was 3-3 ?

[HFC 0-7]

Good to see Ross resisting the urge to sugarcoat it.

I'm not a fan of managers going after players in public but after the last couple of results he doesn't have much choice. It wasn't good enough and he acknowledges as much.

Don’t think managers should call out individual players publicly, but when it’s been a bad team performance like today, I like them saying how it is. After tonight the players must all know it was really poor so should expect it.

[J-C]

I switched off when Gullan came on as I had better things to watch. So far I haven't a clue what Ross is trying to achieve with his team selections and tactics, continuing with 442 when its plainly not working against better teams is baffling, who plays with 2 in the middle and 2 wide men?

Still question marks over the signings, Wright has been poor, S McGinn is a baffling one as he'll very seldom play so offers nothing off the bench. Murphy looked good in his 1st start but got injured immediately and was poor tonight.

Our bench looks poor and the small squad isn't helping.

[The 90+2]

It was 3-3 ?

Ah, they scraped a draw 3-1 down? Sorry not as bad a team then.

[jeffers]

Hard to see us make progress when we're signing boys from the likes of St mirren, Hamilton and St Johnstone.

You get what you pay for.....and before anyone says, I don't expect Messi, but I do expect our recruitment team to ID better than that lot

Totally disagree. It’s the players that matter not who they are signed from. Using your logic we shouldn’t have signed Nisbet, we’d not have wanted Ferguson or Docherty because they were both with Hamilton previously....,

[The 90+2]

Dundee game is a perfect opportunity for those on the bench tonight to make a claim of getting back into the Starting XI.


I wouldn't gamble with that and risk having to play a top seeded side in the next round.

[Magpie]

I wouldn't gamble with that and risk having to play a top seeded side in the next round.

I think Ross might go with a similar team as tonight to try and regain some confidence and get things clicking again but the players are definitely worthy of being dropped.

[tamig]

Dundee game is a perfect opportunity for those on the bench tonight to make a claim of getting back into the Starting XI.

The majority of the guys on the bench are nowhere near the starting eleven. They’ve not exactly grabbed their chances in the other League Cup games either. Our squad is very light.

[gaz1875]

Ah, they scraped a draw 3-1 down? Sorry not as bad a team then.

It was a ridiculous penalty they won to equalise. It will be like playing against Hearts next week haha

[Magpie]

The majority of the guys on the bench are nowhere near the starting eleven. They’ve not exactly grabbed their chances in the other League Cup games either. Our squad is very light.

Mallan probably a stand out from the other league cup games but I agree, not many really took their chance to start more often.

[Smartie]

Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "It was nowhere near good enough where we want to be as a club to be competitive.
"We gave away too ridiculously soft goals. We huffed and puffed after that but didn't do nearly enough to trouble Joe Lewis in goal.
"I praise the players a lot, praise and protect them, but I'll be hard on them tonight because I want to keep pushing them."
Regarding Hibs' call for a penalty and a free-kick claim on the edge of the Dons box moments later, he added: "Tonight, we were poor. I was poor and my team were poor, but equally the referee was poor."

Thankfully he agrees that it was nowhere near good enough regardless of what a small minority on here say :agree:

Good comments.

You'll cut a manager a bit of slack if he seems to have his finger on the pulse - and Ross does here.

It's not toys out the pram stuff, it's not sugarcoating anything. It's an honest appraisal of a poor performance, and every manager is going to get poor performances.

Hopefully he gets it sorted. I like him and he's already put a lot in the positive column. This past week he's put a couple more big results and performances in the negative column though, and he could do with turning our fortunes around before it turns into a full blown slump.

[erin go bragh]

Dundee game is a perfect opportunity for those on the bench tonight to make a claim of getting back into the Starting XI.

Think we need to play our strongest team and get some confidence going again .

[Smartie]

Think we need to play our strongest team and get some confidence going again .

The past few games have thrown doubt on what our best team might be.

There are a few players who might consider themselves indispensable who might have to drop out as we try to find a better blend.

Doidge, Newell, Boyle, Gogic, Murphy, Porteous - these should be first names on the team sheet.

In my opinion they should be looking over their shoulders.

[The 90+2]

The past few games have thrown doubt on what our best team might be.

There are a few players who might consider themselves indispensable who might have to drop out as we try to find a better blend.

Doidge, Newell, Boyle, Gogic, Murphy, Porteous - these should be first names on the team sheet.

In my opinion they should be looking over their shoulders.

:agree::top marks

[houstonhibbee]

Totally disagree. It’s the players that matter not who they are signed from. Using your logic we shouldn’t have signed Nisbet, we’d not have wanted Ferguson or Docherty because they were both with Hamilton previously....,
or SJM

[Scotty Leither]

The majority of the guys on the bench are nowhere near the starting eleven. They’ve not exactly grabbed their chances in the other League Cup games either. Our squad is very light.

The Stephen McGinn signing as a player was baffling, i'm sure Ross knows him well, he does a bit of scouting etc, and his name is McGinn, but it's a totally unimaginative, lazy move by the club, and the rest of our bench is basically fillers for the LC games.

Not good enough for a club of Hibs' standing i'm afraid, notwithstanding a pandemic.

[pollution]

or SJM

Realistically, we should take fourth place in the league as our achievable and defendable position and nip away at any slip ups that Aberdeen will make, and they will.

[Jones28]

The Stephen McGinn signing as a player was baffling, i'm sure Ross knows him well, he does a bit of scouting etc, and his name is McGinn, but it's a totally unimaginative, lazy move by the club, and the rest of our bench is basically fillers for the LC games.

Not good enough for a club of Hibs' standing i'm afraid, notwithstanding a pandemic.

I’m sorry but you can’t discount the impact Covid has had on our signing policy like that. Nor can you discount it being only the manager second window, with a fairly substantial clear out taking place.

[Andy74]

The Stephen McGinn signing as a player was baffling, i'm sure Ross knows him well, he does a bit of scouting etc, and his name is McGinn, but it's a totally unimaginative, lazy move by the club, and the rest of our bench is basically fillers for the LC games.

Not good enough for a club of Hibs' standing i'm afraid, notwithstanding a pandemic.

I think the baffling thing is the amount of people still bothered by this. He’s doing some work with us and registered as a player for emergencies.

If we had suggested he was some sort of key signing then I might see the issue.

[Scotty Leither]

I’m sorry but you can’t discount the impact Covid has had on our signing policy like that. Nor can you discount it being only the manager second window, with a fairly substantial clear out taking place.

No sorry, disagree.

Covid or no Covid i've had my fill of Stephen McGinn-type signings. File him under Mavrias, Nelom, Vine, Haynes, Rherras, Eckerlsey, etc. Short-term stop-gaps who aren't signed with a view to making any impact, just jersey fillers and we've had too many of them in the last 6-8 years.

[jeffers]

I think the baffling thing is the amount of people still bothered by this. He’s doing some work with us and registered as a player for emergencies.

If we had suggested he was some sort of key signing then I might see the issue.

I disagree. If he’s there just to warm the bench we’d have been better using his wage to bring in a loan player who may actually contribute.

[sorrow sorrow]

Ffs let’s be honest on this forum.
Tonight really makes no difference to our overall season.
Saturday was our season and as a club we blew it.
We will lose so many young fans cos of Saturday and not cos off tonight’s pathetic performance.
If we won on Saturday no one on here would give a **** how poor we really are and that’s how it is

[neil7908]

I think the baffling thing is the amount of people still bothered by this. He’s doing some work with us and registered as a player for emergencies.

If we had suggested he was some sort of key signing then I might see the issue.

Is he getting a wage? If so it's an issue. Don't care if its lower end of the scale, we have gone with a smaller squad so we need every 1st team player to count.

We only have 2 senior strikers. We can talk about dropping players all we want but we have next to no options challenging them from the bench.

[basehibby]

Missed the game and appreciate the updates.

Sounds like Ross got his lineup all wrong tonight - 4-4-2 with 2 wingers away at Pittodrie? Not very clever and I would agree with those who called for a 5 man midfield with either Doidge or Nisbet starting on the bench. He could have still played 2 wingers and played more 4-3-3 going forward and it would have given us more places to go tactically when/if we went behind. Disappointing but given the superb start to the season prior to Sunday's Hamden nightmare he's due more than a bit of slack at this stage.

A poor team performance by all accounts but the team's poor form surely outdone by some of the gratuitously doom-mongering drivel from sections of .net's famous pant-wetting batalions. Pick yourself up boys and console yourselves that had the team been possessed of your dirgeful defeatist spirit we would probably be relegated by xmas.

[B.H.F.C]

I disagree. If he’s there just to warm the bench we’d have been better using his wage to bring in a loan player who may actually contribute.

Correct. He’s not the only one on our bench tonight who doesn’t offer anything in a playing capacity.

[Liam89]

Ffs let’s be honest on this forum.
Tonight really makes no difference to our overall season.
Saturday was our season and as a club we blew it.
We will lose so many young fans cos of Saturday and not cos off tonight’s pathetic performance.
If we won on Saturday no one on here would give a **** how poor we really are and that’s how it is

Nothing better to do on a Friday night mate? :na na:

[The 90+2]

Missed the game and appreciate the updates.

Sounds like Ross got his lineup all wrong tonight - 4-4-2 with 2 wingers away at Pittodrie? Not very clever and I would agree with those who called for a 5 man midfield with either Doidge or Nisbet starting on the bench. He could have still played 2 wingers and played more 4-3-3 going forward and it would have given us more places to go tactically when/if we went behind. Disappointing but given the superb start to the season prior to Sunday's Hamden nightmare he's due more than a bit of slack at this stage.

A poor team performance by all accounts but the team's poor form surely outdone by some of the gratuitously doom-mongering drivel from sections of .net's famous pant-wetting batalions. Pick yourself up boys and console yourselves that had the team been possessed of your dirgeful defeatist spirit we would probably be relegated by xmas.


If you're going to slag off posters who made the effort to purchase and watch the game than at least get the day we lost a national semi final to our lower league rivals before you accuse posters of posting drivel. We played them last Saturday, although I grant you may have avoided that also and looked on here on Sunday for an update. :agree:

[basehibby]

If you're going to slag off posters who made the effort to purchase and watch the game than at least get the day we lost a national semi final to our lower league rivals before you accuse posters of posting drivel. We played them last Saturday, although I grant you may have avoided that also and looked on here on Sunday for an update. :agree:

I'm maybe being a wee bit harsh but apples for apples. The last couple of games have exposed weaknesses in our team and we all have a right to be pissed off - particularly after the semi which if I temporarily forgot what day it was would plead a subconscious effort to erase the whole trauma from my memory.

That doesn't mean that our better players have suddenly become pish or our promising young manager is suddenly useless though. Or at least I hope not. I'm old enough to remember Jim Duffy's great start to the season in the 90s with Chic Charnley nutmegging Larsson one week and scoring from the halfway line another. We were relegated that season. I just feel this side has got a bit more about it though and will come through this and still have a decent season. If it turns out I'm wrong then feel free to call me out for posting drivel.

[TheHarpy76]

Think we need to play our strongest team and get some confidence going again .

I don’t agree with this at all. I think we should play some fringe players. Just so the regular 11 get out the comfort zone of thinking they’re automatic picks.

[SanFranHibs]

I'm starting to think that we might not win the league now.

Made me smile.

:)

[Curried]

Let’s face it, Hibs have ridden their luck in many league games this season. We’re pretty poor in most departments on the pitch (keeper excepted), and I think we’ll struggle to stay comfortably in the top six going forward.

[MWHIBBIES]

Is this side really any better than Heckingbottom or Fenlon sides?
Much

[blackpoolhibs]

I disagree. If he’s there just to warm the bench we’d have been better using his wage to bring in a loan player who may actually contribute.

You saying he does not know what he’s doing, or has he just weighed things up and McGinn was the best he could get at the time for the wages we could afford?

[jeffers]

You saying he does not know what he’s doing, or has he just weighed things up and McGinn was the best he could get at the time for the wages we could afford?

I’m saying what’s the point spending wages on a player you appear to have no intention of playing, you’d have been as well keeping Fraser Murray for example than bringing in Stephen McGinn, or as I said use the wage towards bringing in a player from down south on loan. Do you honestly think he was the best we could get ? So yes I’m questioning Ross over this one.

My comments aren’t a reflection on his ability by the way, I like him as a player just don’t see why he was signed when we are running with such a small squad.

[Cod Boy]

Same with brining in the goalkeeper Barnes paying a percentage of a wage to basically watch games.

[JimBHibees]

Ffs let’s be honest on this forum.
Tonight really makes no difference to our overall season.
Saturday was our season and as a club we blew it.
We will lose so many young fans cos of Saturday and not cos off tonight’s pathetic performance.
If we won on Saturday no one on here would give a **** how poor we really are and that’s how it is

What a crock that is

[basehibby]

Ffs let’s be honest on this forum.
Tonight really makes no difference to our overall season.
Saturday was our season and as a club we blew it.
We will lose so many young fans cos of Saturday and not cos off tonight’s pathetic performance.
If we won on Saturday no one on here would give a **** how poor we really are and that’s how it is

Saturday was the end of LAST season for us.
Losing was a bitch alright and may even put a few of the more fainthearted off following the Hibees. It was important alright and if we'd won we'd all be walking on air instead of bumping our gums - but it was still very much LAST season.
Friday against Aberdeen on the other hand was as important as every other game in our 20-21 league campaign which is still very much alive - but losing it doesn't mean the end of anything either. The result in itself was no great surprise away against an in form Aberdeen side but defeat did feel all the more painful because of the preceding Saturday.
But this season is very far from over - we are still in TWO cup competitions and sit fourth in the league. Everything is still to play for.

[houstonhibbee]

Saturday was the end of LAST season for us.
Losing was a bitch alright and may even put a few of the more fainthearted off following the Hibees. It was important alright and if we'd won we'd all be walking on air instead of bumping our gums - but it was still very much LAST season.
Friday against Aberdeen on the other hand was as important as every other game in our 20-21 league campaign which is still very much alive - but losing it doesn't mean the end of anything either. The result in itself was no great surprise away against an in form Aberdeen side but defeat did feel all the more painful because of the preceding Saturday.
But this season is very far from over - we are still in TWO cup competitions and sit fourth in the league. Everything is still to play for.

I can accept defeat but it's the manner of defeat that's the issue. That was a pathetic performance and Ross recognized it.

[matty_f]

Your last sentence I think illustrates the extremes some of you need to go to all the time.

We were poor, we made terrible mistakes. That’s about it. It wasn’t a disgrace and it doesn’t mean we need to question everyone at the club.
Agree with that, as I have with many of your posts over the last few days

[matty_f]

Let’s face it, Hibs have ridden their luck in many league games this season. We’re pretty poor in most departments on the pitch (keeper excepted), and I think we’ll struggle to stay comfortably in the top six going forward.

This is surely a wind-up?

[cekim]

Let’s face it, Hibs have ridden their luck in many league games this season. We’re pretty poor in most departments on the pitch (keeper excepted), and I think we’ll struggle to stay comfortably in the top six going forward.
Totally agree with this. People want to take off the green tinted glasses and have a look at this team. What are we good at?
Answers on the back of a stamp please.

[Brightside]

The user stats on .net must be interesting following a defeat.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m saying what’s the point spending wages on a player you appear to have no intention of playing, you’d have been as well keeping Fraser Murray for example than bringing in Stephen McGinn, or as I said use the wage towards bringing in a player from down south on loan. Do you honestly think he was the best we could get ? So yes I’m questioning Ross over this one.

My comments aren’t a reflection on his ability by the way, I like him as a player just don’t see why he was signed when we are running with such a small squad.
He has played him though, and how do you know he has no intention of not playing him in the future? Maybe he rates McGinn more than Murray, maybe he thinks Murray is behind McGinn and if he’s going to improve enough to compete for a game at hibs, then he needs to get some regular game time somewhere so we can see. He’s not going to get that at hibs. Have you considered our budget, and what kind of player we could get down England for the type of money we are paying McGinn? It’s as if you think Jack Ross has not considered any of this, and just signed him out of sympathy, and not that he thinks he can offer us something when needed?

[JimBHibees]

Totally agree with this. People want to take off the green tinted glasses and have a look at this team. What are we good at?
Answers on the back of a stamp please.

Up until recently not conceding, scoring goals and winnng games we should win. All quite important

[JimBHibees]

This is surely a wind-up?

Either a wind up or just totally wrong. :greengrin

[SChibs]

Totally agree with this. People want to take off the green tinted glasses and have a look at this team. What are we good at?
Answers on the back of a stamp please.

A month ago the call ups of Porteous, Hanlon and McGinn were totally deserved and folk were annoyed Hanlon wasnt called up initially. Also people wanted Nesbitt in the squad. Now we are not very good apparently. Deary me

[Wee Mickey]

A month ago the call ups of Porteous, Hanlon and McGinn were totally deserved and folk were annoyed Hanlon wasnt called up initially. Also people wanted Nesbitt in the squad. Now we are not very good apparently. Deary me

you’ll probably find their call up was a reflection of how bad things were with Scotland (injuries) rather than how good they were playing at the time. A fully fit Scotland squad and none of the players mentioned are getting anywhere near it.

[SaulGoodman]

Thought I had waited long enough for the hysterics to die down before logging back in. Clearly not, see you in another few days.

[The 90+2]

Thought I had waited long enough for the hysterics to die down before logging back in. Clearly not, see you in another few days.

36 hours after a piss poor loss, really?

[I'm Spartacus]

This place is chronic. Unless a manager comes in and has winning every game to nil they need to go. We are 4th in the league and on course for Europe. We were never favourites for this game and 2 individual errors have cost us dear. Some folk on here want to team to lose so they can post about 'how pish we are'.


Maybe it would be an idea to actually get behind the team. The past 2 results have hurt but get over it we have the rest of the season to go and we have made a very good start. 3rd would be a great end to the season but 4th isnt the end of the world as it is progress and a marked improvement on last season


I always think of the league without those ugly 2 trying to eat each other to death, so in my mind we're second! 2 tough results BUT, we've not beaten them up there for YEARS so why this new found expectation and drama?

2 steps forward and one step back.

[jeffers]

He has played him though, and how do you know he has no intention of not playing him in the future? Maybe he rates McGinn more than Murray, maybe he thinks Murray is behind McGinn and if he’s going to improve enough to compete for a game at hibs, then he needs to get some regular game time somewhere so we can see. He’s not going to get that at hibs. Have you considered our budget, and what kind of player we could get down England for the type of money we are paying McGinn? It’s as if you think Jack Ross has not considered any of this, and just signed him out of sympathy, and not that he thinks he can offer us something when needed?

He’s barely played him, all the indications when he signed was he’s there more for cover and he’s good to have around, and can help in non playing ways. We signed Magennis for money, I would think with the expectation that once fit he’ll be a starter, so who do you think McGinn will be replacing in the side ? Friday night was a great opportunity to play him. A game we needed an experienced midfielder to match up against Aberdeen’s one. I don’t even think he was on the bench against Hearts when they brought on experience which helped them see the game out.

Yes I’ve considered our budget. I’d be amazed if we couldn’t get one single player on loan from down south who would be be able to add something to our squad. Other teams manage it without too much bother. Even us paying part of a players wage who isn’t figuring for their parent club is better than nothing.

We already have Hallberg who sits on the bench barely figuring. With our smaller squad we didn’t need another player doing the same.

[Baldy Foghorn]

He’s barely played him, all the indications when he signed was he’s there more for cover and he’s good to have around, and can help in non playing ways. We signed Magennis for money, I would think with the expectation that once fit he’ll be a starter, so who do you think McGinn will be replacing in the side ? Friday night was a great opportunity to play him. A game we needed an experienced midfielder to match up against Aberdeen’s one. I don’t even think he was on the bench against Hearts when they brought on experience which helped them see the game out.

Yes I’ve considered our budget. I’d be amazed if we couldn’t get one single player on loan from down south who would be be able to add something to our squad. Other teams manage it without too much bother. Even us paying part of a players wage who isn’t figuring for their parent club is better than nothing.

We already have Hallberg who sits on the bench barely figuring. With our smaller squad we didn’t need another player doing the same.

I agree with you on McGinn. I'd have rather kept Fraser, but strange one giving MaGennis 5 year deal, considering he was injured/not fully fit when he signed, and is out injured again (hopefully not for long).

I question Hallberg and Wright who are average imo. We don't have that great a squad in reality

[Hiber-nation]

Thought I had waited long enough for the hysterics to die down before logging back in. Clearly not, see you in another few days.

Jack Ross was raging at the performance. Yet you seem surprised that the fans are.

[SaulGoodman]

Jack Ross was raging at the performance. Yet you seem surprised that the fans are.

Not directed at the people raging. I was meaning This ****.


Totally agree with this. People want to take off the green tinted glasses and have a look at this team. What are we good at?
Answers on the back of a stamp please.



Let’s face it, Hibs have ridden their luck in many league games this season. We’re pretty poor in most departments on the pitch (keeper excepted), and I think we’ll struggle to stay comfortably in the top six going forward.



Ffs let’s be honest on this forum.
Tonight really makes no difference to our overall season.
Saturday was our season and as a club we blew it.
We will lose so many young fans cos of Saturday and not cos off tonight’s pathetic performance.
If we won on Saturday no one on here would give a **** how poor we really are and that’s how it is

Is that not hysterics? Or is everything fair game after a pish couple weeks?

[SaulGoodman]

36 hours after a piss poor loss, really?

See above.

[blackpoolhibs]

He’s barely played him, all the indications when he signed was he’s there more for cover and he’s good to have around, and can help in non playing ways.

Has he not done that?

We signed Magennis for money, I would think with the expectation that once fit he’ll be a starter, so who do you think McGinn will be replacing in the side ?

I dont think he will replace anyone, unless we are short and need a player to come in and cover, see above.


Friday night was a great opportunity to play him. A game we needed an experienced midfielder to match up against Aberdeen’s one. I don’t even think he was on the bench against Hearts when they brought on experience which helped them see the game out.

In your opinion obviously, the manager didnt think so.

Yes I’ve considered our budget. I’d be amazed if we couldn’t get one single player on loan from down south who would be be able to add something to our squad. Other teams manage it without too much bother.

I'm struggling to think of anyone we could sign on the money we are paying McGinn, who would come up to us and be a bit part player and their club being happy about that?


Even us paying part of a players wage who isn’t figuring for their parent club is better than nothing.

I agree but we do have McGinn we dont have nothing, who do you have in mind, and did the club not bother going down this route?

We already have Hallberg who sits on the bench barely figuring. With our smaller squad we didn’t need another player doing the same.

We need a squad, we will have quite a few players who will regularly sit on the bench.

[Hiber-nation]

Not directed at the people raging. I was meaning This ****.








Is that not hysterics? Or is everything fair game after a pish couple weeks?

The hysteria is daft but so are the posters who see little wrong with performances that the manager criticises.

[Phil MaGlass]

Just been reading this thread and some others as I have not been arsed to come on here since the hertz debacle, but, what I have noticed is, a great many new posters with less than 100 posts, some even with 15, slating us, and we reply with hysteriscs. There are quite a few Tynie tinies on here at the moment, probably better to look at their post count before repying.

[jeffers]

We need a squad, we will have quite a few players who will regularly sit on the bench.

By your response you give the impression Jack Ross can do no wrong. If you are happy with a midfield two of Gogic and Newell up against Aberdeen then fair enough.

I’m not a scout, but I refuse to believe that out of all the players in the world our best option was signing Stephen McGinn to sit on the bench most games, while others he won’t even manage that. Not only that it’s a position we already have enough cover in.

By better than nothing I meant paying a club part of a players wage who won’t figure for them to take them on loan. I also seriously doubt if a player is totally out of the picture at their parent club they will be concerned if they get regular game time with us.

[SaulGoodman]

Just been reading this thread and some others as I have not been arsed to come on here since the hertz debacle, but, what I have noticed is, a great many new posters with less than 100 posts, some even with 15, slating us, and we reply with hysteriscs. There are quite a few Tynie tinies on here at the moment, probably better to look at their post count before repying.

Can’t see post count on mobile.

[JimBHibees]

Same with brining in the goalkeeper Barnes paying a percentage of a wage to basically watch games.

We need a sub goalie.

[Billy Whizz]

Can’t see post count on mobile.

You can if you click default style

[JimBHibees]

I agree with you on McGinn. I'd have rather kept Fraser, but strange one giving MaGennis 5 year deal, considering he was injured/not fully fit when he signed, and is out injured again (hopefully not for long).

I question Hallberg and Wright who are average imo. We don't have that great a squad in reality

Fraser needs to play no point having him as a squad player as he wouldn't play. McGinn is cover not sure how difficult it is to understand. Time for the hysterics over losing to Hearts to calm a bit imo.

[The 90+2]

Fraser needs to play no point have no him as a squad player as he wouldn't play. McGinn is cover not sure how difficult it is to understand. Time for the hysterics over losing to Hearts to calm a bit imo.

So Gray McGregor Hallberg and McGinn will never be in the first team and cover only? That's a big problem. Not only is there very little to change games but there's a massive chance of complacency. You could possibly add in Lewis, Mackie and Gullan into that also. If a player is having a piss poor game they are in general going to be replaced by someone completely inferior.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Fraser needs to play no point having him as a squad player as he wouldn't play. McGinn is cover not sure how difficult it is to understand. Time for the hysterics over losing to Hearts to calm a bit imo.

Quite a patronising post Jim and not like you. The "hysterics" have merely heightened as a result of bouncing back on Friday night:rolleyes:

We have plenty of squad players who wont play. We should have competition for places, we don't

[JimBHibees]

Quite a patronising post Jim and not like you. The "hysterics" have merely heightened as a result of bouncing back on Friday night:rolleyes:

We have plenty of squad players who wont play. We should have competition for places, we don't

Apologies it was more a general comment

[Baldy Foghorn]

Apologies it was more a general comment

:aok:

[JimBHibees]

So Gray McGregor Hallberg and McGinn will never be in the first team and cover only? That's a big problem. Not only is there very little to change games but there's a massive chance of complacency. You could possibly add in Lewis, Mackie and Gullan into that also. If a player is having a piss poor game they are in general going to be replaced by someone completely inferior.

All players are cover and will come in when needed.

[jeffers]

Fraser needs to play no point having him as a squad player as he wouldn't play. McGinn is cover not sure how difficult it is to understand. Time for the hysterics over losing to Hearts to calm a bit imo.

I understand McGinn is cover, what I’m struggling to understand is why it was deemed we needed cover in that position when we’ve typically been playing with a two there and already have Mallan and Hallberg and that’s not including Magennis who we spent money on. I fail to see how what I’m saying has anything at all to do with losing to Hearts.

[The 90+2]

All players are cover and will come in when needed.

They haven’t the past two games when changes where required.

[Billy Whizz]

All players are cover and will come in when needed.

Paul McGinn 1 booking from a ban, and Paul Hanlon and Joe Newell 2 bookings from a ban

[JimBHibees]

They haven’t the past two games when changes where required.

Obviously decision made they wouldn't have improved what was on the pitch.

[JimBHibees]

Paul McGinn 1 booking from a ban, and Paul Hanlon and Joe Newell 2 bookings from a ban

Squad will clearly be needed

[Billy Whizz]

Squad will clearly be needed

They will, my only concern is the lack of game time these subs have been getting
By the time some get some mins against Dundee, will have been a month since quite a few of them have played

[matty_f]

I understand the complaints about the depth of the squad but are we just forgetting the circumstances around this season?

We’ve had to cut the cost of the squad fairly dramatically, people at the club have been made redundant. The club has seen its income cut by millions of pounds.

Think we need to cool the jets a bit with some of the criticism, i feet we’re all disappointed at two bad results, but we’ve had to make decisions on how to best spend what little money we’ve got to improve the team not just for this season but to impact out over the next few seasons as well.

I’m sure everyone would rather we had better to come off the bench but everyone would rather we had the money to do it as well.

As it is, we don’t, and the - like every other club- is having to navigate its way through very challenging times.

We’re sitting in 4th, comfortably in the top 6 and it’s only the start of November. Keep the heid, folks.

[Scotty Leither]

I understand the complaints about the depth of the squad but are we just forgetting the circumstances around this season?

We’ve had to cut the cost of the squad fairly dramatically, people at the club have been made redundant. The club has seen its income cut by millions of pounds.

Think we need to cool the jets a bit with some of the criticism, i feet we’re all disappointed at two bad results, but we’ve had to make decisions on how to best spend what little money we’ve got to improve the team not just for this season but to impact out over the next few seasons as well.

I’m sure everyone would rather we had better to come off the bench but everyone would rather we had the money to do it as well.

As it is, we don’t, and the - like every other club- is having to navigate its way through very challenging times.

We’re sitting in 4th, comfortably in the top 6 and it’s only the start of November. Keep the heid, folks.


That's the point though Matty, we've not got "better to come off the bench", have we?

If we had, we might have had someone in the semi-final to come on and shore the game up (whisper it, like that lot did, in fact they had two alternatives, both of whom came on at once).

There's always a ready-made excuse at Easter Road, this year it's Covid. We still need a functioning football team that'll challenge and maybe one day mount a league challenge (Ron Gordon's words, not mine).

That'll not be achieved with no recognised back-up forward, or signings like Stephen McGinn.

[The 90+2]

I understand the complaints about the depth of the squad but are we just forgetting the circumstances around this season?

We’ve had to cut the cost of the squad fairly dramatically, people at the club have been made redundant. The club has seen its income cut by millions of pounds.

Think we need to cool the jets a bit with some of the criticism, i feet we’re all disappointed at two bad results, but we’ve had to make decisions on how to best spend what little money we’ve got to improve the team not just for this season but to impact out over the next few seasons as well.

I’m sure everyone would rather we had better to come off the bench but everyone would rather we had the money to do it as well.

As it is, we don’t, and the - like every other club- is having to navigate its way through very challenging times.

We’re sitting in 4th, comfortably in the top 6 and it’s only the start of November. Keep the heid, folks.

I’m not complaining about the depth of squad as such mate. I’m just pointing out it’s no depth at all with replacements there that we can use to come on and enhance our side.

[Andy74]

I understand the complaints about the depth of the squad but are we just forgetting the circumstances around this season?

We’ve had to cut the cost of the squad fairly dramatically, people at the club have been made redundant. The club has seen its income cut by millions of pounds.

Think we need to cool the jets a bit with some of the criticism, i feet we’re all disappointed at two bad results, but we’ve had to make decisions on how to best spend what little money we’ve got to improve the team not just for this season but to impact out over the next few seasons as well.

I’m sure everyone would rather we had better to come off the bench but everyone would rather we had the money to do it as well.

As it is, we don’t, and the - like every other club- is having to navigate its way through very challenging times.

We’re sitting in 4th, comfortably in the top 6 and it’s only the start of November. Keep the heid, folks.

Spot on.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m sure everyone would rather we had better to come off the bench but everyone would rather we had the money to do it as well.

We need to start getting more from those we did spend our money on this year. So far, only really Gogic and Nisbet have made any significant contribution. I don’t have a real issue with the numbers, more is needed from some of those numbers though.

Wright was one of our top priorities but we’ve yet to see much from him. It’s been stop start for Murphy but he’s fit, and got some decent minutes under his belt in the last two games, so we need him to start chipping in now. McGinn we’re not going to get anything from. Is the goalie going to offer anything that Dabrowski couldn’t have? Magennis is a long term investment so patience needed there, particularly with his recent injury, but I still can’t get my head round the decision to stick him out on the left wing last week. That felt, to me, like a way to get him in the team rather than him having been brought in with a clear idea of how we want to use him.

The other thing affecting our squad depth, and it pre dates Ross, is that we have two players sitting on long term contracts who are past it in terms of contributing on the pitch. I know it’s been done to death but I think that is something that is hindering us this year.

[The 90+2]

We need to start getting more from those we did spend our money on this year. So far, only really Gogic and Nisbet have made any significant contribution. I don’t have a real issue with the numbers, more is needed from some of those numbers though.

Wright was one of our top priorities but we’ve yet to see much from him. It’s been stop start for Murphy but he’s fit, and got some decent minutes under his belt in the last two games, so we need him to start chipping in now. McGinn we’re not going to get anything from. Is the goalie going to offer anything that Dabrowski couldn’t have? Magennis is a long term investment so patience needed there, particularly with his recent injury, but I still can’t get my head round the decision to stick him out on the left wing last week. That felt, to me, like a way to get him in the team rather than him having been brought in with a clear idea of how we want to use him.

The other thing affecting our squad depth, and it pre dates Ross, is that we have two players sitting on long term contracts who are past it in terms of contributing on the pitch. I know it’s been done to death but I think that is something that is hindering us this year.

👍

[jeffers]

We need to start getting more from those we did spend our money on this year. So far, only really Gogic and Nisbet have made any significant contribution. I don’t have a real issue with the numbers, more is needed from some of those numbers though.

Wright was one of our top priorities but we’ve yet to see much from him. It’s been stop start for Murphy but he’s fit, and got some decent minutes under his belt in the last two games, so we need him to start chipping in now. McGinn we’re not going to get anything from. Is the goalie going to offer anything that Dabrowski couldn’t have? Magennis is a long term investment so patience needed there, particularly with his recent injury, but I still can’t get my head round the decision to stick him out on the left wing last week. That felt, to me, like a way to get him in the team rather than him having been brought in with a clear idea of how we want to use him.

The other thing affecting our squad depth, and it pre dates Ross, is that we have two players sitting on long term contracts who are past it in terms of contributing on the pitch. I know it’s been done to death but I think that is something that is hindering us this year.

Agree with your post up until your last paragraph. Both have contributed this season in the league cup including scoring our only goal in one of these games. Neither are first picks granted, but you’d think they were on mega bucks contracts the way some people go on about them. Both would have got a playing contract this season if it has been up to me, next season is a different matter.

[B.H.F.C]

Agree with your post up until your last paragraph. Both have contributed this season in the league cup including scoring our only goal in one of these games. Neither are first picks granted, but you’d think they were on mega bucks contracts the way some people go on about them. Both would have got a playing contract this season if it has been up to me, next season is a different matter.

Players sitting with contracts until 2023 to play a few games in the league cup isn’t really contributing IMO. I know there is meant to be loads of other things that they do and offer, but in the current climate I’m not sure what that’ll mean. Defensively, we’re not quite at the level we were but the only competition they have aren’t going to push them. Be interesting to see what happens with Stevenson with his contract coming towards the end. Do we do the same for him who, arguably, deserves it even more.

[matty_f]

That's the point though Matty, we've not got "better to come off the bench", have we?

If we had, we might have had someone in the semi-final to come on and shore the game up (whisper it, like that lot did, in fact they had two alternatives, both of whom came on at once).

There's always a ready-made excuse at Easter Road, this year it's Covid. We still need a functioning football team that'll challenge and maybe one day mount a league challenge (Ron Gordon's words, not mine).

That'll not be achieved with no recognised back-up forward, or signings like Stephen McGinn.

We’ve no better to come off the bench because we don’t have the money to buy it because we’re several million pounds down because of COVID.

Just because you feel it’s a “ready made excuse” doesn’t make it any less relevant.

[jeffers]

Players sitting with contracts until 2023 to play a few games in the league cup isn’t really contributing IMO. I know there is meant to be loads of other things that they do and offer, but in the current climate I’m not sure what that’ll mean. Defensively, we’re not quite at the level we were but the only competition they have aren’t going to push them. Be interesting to see what happens with Stevenson with his contract coming towards the end. Do we do the same for him who, arguably, deserves it even more.

Not having a go at you as such but the comments regarding their contracts suggest they have playing contracts until 2023, that’s not the case. If you don’t think they deserve a playing contract this season that’s a different argument, I happen to think they do and like I said what happens beyond this season is a different matter. We need two right backs in our squad and at least three central defenders. As has already been pointed out Paul Hanlon is one booking away from a suspension, I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul McGinn is close too.

[B.H.F.C]

Not having a go at you as such but the comments regarding their contracts suggest they have playing contracts until 2023, that’s not the case. If you don’t think they deserve a playing contract this season that’s a different argument, I happen to think they do and like I said what happens beyond this season is a different matter. We need two right backs in our squad and at least three central defenders. As has already been pointed out Paul Hanlon is one booking away from a suspension, I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul McGinn is close too.

I keep reading they aren’t playing contracts. But what else are they? Is David Gray planning on retiring early from playing, he’s only 32? He’s been fit for long enough, just not up to the level playing wise now.

[jeffers]

I keep reading they aren’t playing contracts. But what else are they? Is David Gray planning on retiring early from playing, he’s only 32? He’s been fit for long enough, just not up to the level playing wise now.

This is what was said when they signed the new deals “ the contracts handed out to the veteran duo are fluid. There will likely come a point when one or both will reach a point in their contract where they want or need to hang up the boots.With that, they will transition to a position among the club's backroom staff, to a role which suits their qualities, their personalities. Whether that be in a coaching capacity or a more ambassadorial or administration post.”

I don’t think it’s true to say David Gray isn’t up to the level playing wise now. Certainly I don’t think he’s able to play every game, but I’ve every confidence given a run of games he’d get back to a decent level. Understandably Ross is sticking with Paul McGinn who deserves to keep his place due to consistent performances.

I fully expect if JR decides next season that one or both of them are no longer part of his plans a decision will be made as to what roles they perform at the club. They may accept these roles or they may even move on, I don’t expect them to say you can’t do that because we have playing contracts until 2023, that’s not how they were constructed.

[B.H.F.C]

This is what was said when they signed the new deals “ the contracts handed out to the veteran duo are fluid. There will likely come a point when one or both will reach a point in their contract where they want or need to hang up the boots.With that, they will transition to a position among the club's backroom staff, to a role which suits their qualities, their personalities. Whether that be in a coaching capacity or a more ambassadorial or administration post.”

I don’t think it’s true to say David Gray isn’t up to the level playing wise now. Certainly I don’t think he’s able to play every game, but I’ve every confidence given a run of games he’d get back to a decent level. Understandably Ross is sticking with Paul McGinn who deserves to keep his place due to consistent performances.

I fully expect if JR decides next season that one or both of them are no longer part of his plans a decision will be made as to what roles they perform at the club. They may accept these roles or they may even move on, I don’t expect them to say you can’t do that because we have playing contracts until 2023, that’s not how they were constructed.

That’s where I struggle with it a bit though. What happens if the club and player have differing views on what they want to do? As I say, I think it’s more likely in the case of Gray given his age.

I sound like I’m tearing in to the both of them here and it’s genuinely not my intention, because it’s not down to them they’re in the positions they are. When we are talking about money being short, running with a small squad, I just think that what they currently contribute isn’t enough. Then you throw McGinn in to the equation, that’s three players on the bench who are unlikely to have any impact over the course of a league season. I don’t think we can afford that.

[matty_f]

That’s where I struggle with it a bit though. What happens if the club and player have differing views on what they want to do? As I say, I think it’s more likely in the case of Gray given his age.

I sound like I’m tearing in to the both of them here and it’s genuinely not my intention, because it’s not down to them they’re in the positions they are. When we are talking about money being short, running with a small squad, I just think that what they currently contribute isn’t enough. Then you throw McGinn in to the equation, that’s three players on the bench who are unlikely to have any impact over the course of a league season. I don’t think we can afford that.

I think the issue is that, given the huge impact of covid, that’s exactly what we can afford.

[jeffers]

That’s where I struggle with it a bit though. What happens if the club and player have differing views on what they want to do? As I say, I think it’s more likely in the case of Gray given his age.

I sound like I’m tearing in to the both of them here and it’s genuinely not my intention, because it’s not down to them they’re in the positions they are. When we are talking about money being short, running with a small squad, I just think that what they currently contribute isn’t enough. Then you throw McGinn in to the equation, that’s three players on the bench who are unlikely to have any impact over the course of a league season. I don’t think we can afford that.

Like I said I expect the contracts were written such that if the manager deems the players no longer part of his plans then they have to accept that, but without seeing their contracts I don’t know that’s a fact.

Again without knowing the specific details of their contracts we don’t know how much of the budget it takes up. While I have been critical of the McGinn signing that’s more so because we have cover in that position and the indications so far is that he won’t figure, however with SDG and Daz we are short in their positions, with both players likely to figure when the current incumbents get suspended or injured.

[JimBHibees]

They will, my only concern is the lack of game time these subs have been getting
By the time some get some mins against Dundee, will have been a month since quite a few of them have played

Yes and that was clearly apparent in the betfred games last month. Personally wouldn't be changing too much as being seeded is important in this competition.

[JimBHibees]

That’s where I struggle with it a bit though. What happens if the club and player have differing views on what they want to do? As I say, I think it’s more likely in the case of Gray given his age.

I sound like I’m tearing in to the both of them here and it’s genuinely not my intention, because it’s not down to them they’re in the positions they are. When we are talking about money being short, running with a small squad, I just think that what they currently contribute isn’t enough. Then you throw McGinn in to the equation, that’s three players on the bench who are unlikely to have any impact over the course of a league season. I don’t think we can afford that.

Personally wouldn't be surprised if David Gray maybe looks for a loan move in Jan to get some game time. Must be frustrating if you are used to playing regularly when fit.