SPFL The vote

[Bishop Hibee]

Lot longer than that I reckon. I take notice of what I hear from the medical people not football associated people.

Season 20/21 has to be in doubt. Chatting to a mate via Zoom this morning who is involved in advising world wide about helping stop the spread of the virus. He reckoned November 2021 is about right for a complete end to lockdown. Either a vaccine or the virus mutates to bring harmless.

[Billy Whizz]

Agreed. He was open and transparent about everything he could be. He even took us through the 110 page document and the reason the board decided to stick on one resolution to put to the clubs. It makes Budge look a right charlatan.

The club's only received a 14 page document and the board were on hand to take and make calls to give advice as to why they made the decisions they did.

Having taken evidence from, national governments, medical chiefs, uefa, and FIFA, they decided a course of action.

He even covered the loans situation which, Budge mentioned yesterday. Loans could get made, but to loan to 42 clubs would have been unwieldy, and due diligence would have taken ages. Some clubs were wanting the money now.

I agree with all you say Ronnie. Thought I’d have a wee read of kickback, see what they were saying
Almost to a man they condemned him, and said if their big pal English was on, he would have grilled him to a finish😄

[ekhibee]

Exactly - this is the crux of the matter.

Him and Budge are going to chat to them tomorrow about how this might work, ToR etc, and then they will all go away and come back with 15 different angles.

The biggest stumbling block will be that Budgie wants temporary recon - because she knows permanent is a nightmare to get votes for.

If I was Budge I would writing my resignation as Hearts chair right now, as I dont see any way that this is going to work.

p.s. It was great to hear him rubbish all the nonsense that BBC Scotland have come out with about the SPFL. They had no answer except "but Rangurs"

Totally agree, Les Gray was refreshing to listen to, and much more informative than any other source I've heard on Sportsound regarding this. I reckon it's a huge job they've got, trying to get all the different clubs to agree in a relatively short space of time, but at the end of the day there needs to be something sorted out soon. I am a bit controversial about this, I actually don't have a problem with Budge, all she's doing is fighting for her club (or maybe to make sure she gets her money back?), it's the blatant bias and misdirection that people like English, Stewart and McLaughlin have used in relation to the situation.

[steviehibsleith]

Les Gray mentioned that at 5 pm deadline They still had not received Hearts vote . Wonder if Anne was hoping that the vote may be close so she could use it like Dundee as a bargaining chip. She has mentioned in two interviews Hearts were obviously a no so why wait .

[Joe6-2]

Budge does like a little lie to herself (and everyone else!)
She remembers a club being given a loan, but she ‘honestly’ can’t remember which club,
FFS REALLY???

[Rumble de Thump]

Chic Young inadvertently highlighting that "not answered to my satisfaction", recently also used by Budge, is the new "goading" when it comes to people regurgitating nonsense in Scottish football to back up a dubious agenda.

[Kato]

Relegating Hearts is fair.The whole sorry saga summed up in four words. Yet we have thousands of words in the media trying to manoeuvre around the obvious.

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[Bostonhibby]

Chic Young inadvertently highlighting that "not answered to my satisfaction", recently also used by Budge, is the new "goading" when it comes to people regurgitating nonsense in Scottish football to back up a dubious agenda.Yep, it's the idea that somehow they have to satisfy her, the rest might plainly look at her general governance and behavioural standards in her own wee fiefdom at tiny and say we'll tell you what we're doing as a courtesy, you don't have to like it but everyone else's view matters as well.



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[147lothian]

Any info on the outcome of the zoom meeting?

[Peevemor]

Any info on the outcome of the zoom meeting?

It only started 20 odd minutes ago did it not?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Any info on the outcome of the zoom meeting?

Attended by a bunch of Zoomers

[Smartie]

I don't think relegating Hearts is fair, but having considered all of the potential outcomes it remains the least unfair out of all of them.

Life isn't fair.

All clubs signed up to potentially unfair outcomes when they signed up to our current set of rules which basically allows them to make up the rules as they go along.

Wars break out, pandemics happen. Is it too much to ask for to have certain outcomes stipulated in the rules ie if 75% of the games have been played then the results stand, less than that null and void etc etc?

[Waxy]

Any info on the outcome of the zoom meeting?

They zoomed in on Budge then zoomed straight back out again.

[147lothian]

They zoomed in on Budge then zoomed straight back out again.


And Leeann zoomed out th door! Leaving the virtual bun fight

[Billy Whizz]

Looks like the leagues could be decided tomorrow, and stamped on Thursday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52353856

[Joe6-2]

Looks like the leagues could be decided tomorrow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52353856

Thought they were deciding on the 23rd?

[Billy Whizz]

Thought they were deciding on the 23rd?

Sorry I edited my post above

[Jim44]

Looks like the leagues could be decided tomorrow, and stamped on Thursday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52353856

It doesn’t give any indication of how UEFA will advise individual associations to nominate champions and relegated clubs. They’ll probably allow every association to determine details. Looks like the restructuring task force is the road we’ll go down.

[Joe6-2]

Sorry I edited my post above

Thanks, and no need to apologise

[Radium]

Leeann Dempster: Hibs chief pulls out of SPFL reconstruction group https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52359232


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Leeann Dempster: Hibs chief pulls out of SPFL reconstruction group https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52359232


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Another nail in Hearts coffin. Pleasing

[Bostonhibby]

Another nail in Hearts coffin. PleasingI cannae see UEFA getting the green light to do all this without Mrs doctor Budge's "sign off".

FFS do they not realise she's not even divided the Save Hearts In Trouble task force into sub groups and sent them away into corners with flip charts and magic markers?

She's not even given them any orders yet.

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[jacomo]

Have the Huns produced their evidence yet?

Any evidence at all?

[CentreLine]

Have the Huns produced their evidence yet?

Any evidence at all?

Anything?????

Nope! Not a thing

Has there ever been a more clear cut case of “bringing the game in to disrepute”?

[jacomo]

Anything?????

Nope! Not a thing

Has there ever been a more clear cut case of “bringing the game in to disrepute”?


Can we relegate them too, as punishment?

[007]

Have the Huns produced their evidence yet?

Any evidence at all?

The strange thing is that we don't even know who the victim of the bullying is. We know Doncaster is Gripper Stebson, we know Rangers is Mr Baxter but we don't know who is Roland Browning.

[Heisenberg]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

[Joe6-2]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

We have been hamstrung for years by both incarnations of the hun!

[007]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

Another competition they're as good as out of but will be claiming they've a good chance of winning.

[Billy Whizz]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

Think Rangers might be quite happy to offload some of their highly paid, in achievers. Let’s be honest even Liverpool couldn’t overturn this lead

Hope though it doesn’t become a sticking point in ending our season

[green day]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

Not sure why the journalist thinks that players contracts wont expire if we just stay in this limbo for months.........

[steviehibsleith]

Following the meeting today it seems that UEFA are still desperate for top leagues to finish their seasons but some cases for ending the season early will be heard and they are drawing up guidelines as such.

ESPN journalist has tweeted this...

“Scotland is hamstrung by Rangers still having the second leg of their UEL tie to play.“

“Because Rangers need their 2019-20 UEL squad as registered in January.

If Scotland calls its season off, player registrations and contracts will expire on June 30 and the transfer window would be expected to operate as normal.“

Wonder if anyone from Scotland on the conference call questioned the fairness of playing the tie while the Germans are back training at a distance while in Scotland the government still have us in lockdown at least three more weeks.

Rangers are beat but still demonstrates unfairness and one of loads of issues with these other countries so determined to see out the season.

[Aldo]

Have the Huns produced their evidence yet?

Any evidence at all?

Good luck with that. I’m still waiting to find out which of their team required hospitalisation following the 2016 cup final defeat.

Traynor was pretty adamant that this was the case!


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[Heisenberg]

Not sure why the journalist thinks that players contracts wont expire if we just stay in this limbo for months.........

Are Fifa not doing something with contracts? Sure I read something about short term extensions but no idea how any of it would work.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11976594/coronavirus-uefa-to-produce-guidelines-for-associations-who-want-to-finish-season-early

Sky Sports News has been told no league which has qualification to the Champions League and Europa League asked UEFA for permission to end their season early during Tuesday lunchtime's call

[green day]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11976594/coronavirus-uefa-to-produce-guidelines-for-associations-who-want-to-finish-season-early

Sky Sports News has been told no league which has qualification to the Champions League and Europa League asked UEFA for permission to end their season early during Tuesday lunchtime's call

I think that some of this will be removed from UEFA hands.

It isnt really conceivable that they continue to say "you must finish the season" if that means waiting til, say, December.

[Joe6-2]

I think that some of this will be removed from UEFA hands.

It isnt really conceivable that they continue to say "you must finish the season" if that means waiting til, say, December.

Exactly, they’re usual head in the sand

[Joe6-2]

Have the Huns produced their evidence yet?

Any evidence at all?

No, but media and Kris Boyd (I know!) insist the SPFL should prove no wrongdoing!!!

[Ozyhibby]

I think that some of this will be removed from UEFA hands.

It isnt really conceivable that they continue to say "you must finish the season" if that means waiting til, say, December.

Especially since the tournaments that we are supposed to be qualifying for start in July.


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[Bostonhibby]

Exactly, they’re usual head in the sandTo be fair they're probably waiting for Task Force Budge to finish sorting Scottish football out, then once she's split the atom, irrigated vast swathes of desert and found out who Benny Factor actually is she'll sort their problem out between naps.

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[007]

No, but media and Kris Boyd (I know!) insist the SPFL should prove no wrongdoing!!!

So guilty until they prove their innocence. Imagine if that was the premise for all the Rangers' shenanigans over the years.

[Joe6-2]

So guilty until they prove their innocence. Imagine if that was the premise for all the Rangers' shenanigans over the years.

Yeah, total opposite to the way civilisation has operated for years!

[PatHead]

To be fair they're probably waiting for Task Force Budge to finish sorting Scottish football out, then once she's split the atom, irrigated vast swathes of desert and found out who Benny Factor actually is she'll sort their problem out between naps.

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Can they not get her to find a cure first?

[Joe6-2]

Can they not get her to find a cure first?

Need a cure for her first

[Bostonhibby]

Can they not get her to find a cure first?I was trying to stay away from that one, she's got a stand to finish off as well.

When it is finished I'm hearing that in recognition for her contribution to the whole stand project they're going to name it after her.

The Nn Buge Sand, has a nice ring to it and in keeping with the whole project.

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[green day]

Especially since the tournaments that we are supposed to be qualifying for start in July.


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I think that someone (actually might have been Dempster) said a couple weeks back that she didnt think the threat had any real teeth - precisely for the reason you mention above.

I guess they probably thought that they cant really give a time limit on completing leagues at this point as nobody knows what will happen.

It does seem a particularly blunt statement, however.

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/footballoranje_/status/1252646299612176385?s=21

Looks like the Dutch season is over

[hibbyfraelibby]

https://twitter.com/footballoranje_/status/1252646299612176385?s=21

Looks like the Dutch season is over

UEFA's baws bust now.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/footballoranje_/status/1252646299612176385?s=21

Looks like the Dutch season is over

Wonder what will happen to the team four points adrift at the bottom?


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[Billy Whizz]

Wonder what will happen to the team four points adrift at the bottom?


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Who cares😄

[Onion]

I think that someone (actually might have been Dempster) said a couple weeks back that she didnt think the threat had any real teeth - precisely for the reason you mention above.

I guess they probably thought that they cant really give a time limit on completing leagues at this point as nobody knows what will happen.

It does seem a particularly blunt statement, however.

But UEFA trying to create the illusion they're in control of what happens with football, when they are absolutely in the hands of the various governments. Picking random dates, plucked out of the air, just makes them look stupid (or more stupid than usual).

Can't think of a previous occasion where UEFA been so powerless. Must be an usual, humbling experience for those arrogant plonkers.

[Iain G]

But UEFA trying to create the illusion they're in control of what happens with football, when they are absolutely in the hands of the various governments. Picking random dates, plucked out of the air, just makes them look stupid (or more stupid than usual).

Can't think of a previous occasion where UEFA been so powerless. Must be an usual, humbling experience for those arrogant plonkers.

This just further shows how out of touch UEFA and a lot of football in general is so out of touch with the everyday goings on around them.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-call-hold-uefa-21904135.amp?__twitter_impression=true
August festival of football?


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[The Harp Awakes]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-call-hold-uefa-21904135.amp?__twitter_impression=true
August festival of football?


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Mental. UEFA are blinded by the threat of losing sponsorship money and cannot face the truth which is staring them in the face.

[FilipinoHibs]

Mental. UEFA are blinded by the threat of losing sponsorship money and cannot face the truth which is staring them in the face.

Do you think 22+ people will be allowed to run around in close proximity, giving out sweat and other body fluids in August?

[G B Young]

https://twitter.com/footballoranje_/status/1252646299612176385?s=21

Looks like the Dutch season is over

That will hopefully kick start a chain of similar decisions.

[Mainstandman]

Germany cancel Berlin marathon due to having gathering of more that 5000 people, think this ban is till least end of October. So no big crowds if they even start football there.

[Greenworld]

September is the earliest month for the potential of football to return. This is why leagues will end especially on the smaller football nations .
This charade going on for reconstruction gives appeasement to the noisy few a term which is growing on me i have to say.
The silent majority will do the correct thing and vote for stability and no change at present.

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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/21/sweden-plans-to-kick-off-top-football-division-on-14-june-with-fans-in-stadiums

Sweden’s planning to start with fans in june

[MWHIBBIES]

Uefa are doing nothing wrong. Being ambitious by setting dates, moving them in accordance with government and the crisis. Makes perfect sense.

[Brunswickbill]

September is the earliest month for the potential of football to return. This is why leagues will end especially on the smaller football nations .
This charade going on for reconstruction gives appeasement to the noisy few a term which is growing on me i have to say.
The silent majority will do the correct thing and vote for stability and no change at present.

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The problem with a temporary reorganisation is well known with 3 clubs being relegated in one or two years time. I don’t think there’s any chance of getting that approved.

The problem with a permanent reorganisation is that it has been talked about for years but no-one has come up with an arrangement that improves what we currently have. How are they going to develop an acceptable scheme in 3 or 4 weeks? Also how long will clubs be given to decide on any proposal- probably add at least another month to the process. You also need to wonder why on earth the SPFL would choose to reorganise the league at this time when we have no idea when it is going to recommence.

I think that the chances of SPFL reorganisation going ahead are about 11-1 against. Hertz will just have to take their medicine.

[we are hibs]

Its complete and utter delusion to think the season will be completed. The quicker things are concluded, the quicker teams and leagues can plan for next season starting.

[Jones28]

Just saw on Facebook that Auchinleck Talbot have been declared champions of their league; 12 points behind the leaders and in third place but average points per game means they win having played only 16 matches.

Correct decision?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Just saw on Facebook that Auchinleck Talbot have been declared champions of their league; 12 points behind the leaders and in third place but average points per game means they win having played only 16 matches.

Correct decision?
Does it matter. The new West of Scotland League with 62 clubs starts as tier 6 of the pyramid next season. Has Junior football not effectively "died"? Open to be corrected but that was my take on SFA announcement last week

[Onion]

Uefa are doing nothing wrong. Being ambitious by setting dates, moving them in accordance with government and the crisis. Makes perfect sense.

Can only be ambitious if you have a degree of control. UEFA have NO control over this situation and wholly at the mercy of the virus, governments and common sense. They need to apply some of the latter and try retain some dignity and credibility. UEFA are blinded by money.

[neil7908]

Uefa are doing nothing wrong. Being ambitious by setting dates, moving them in accordance with government and the crisis. Makes perfect sense.

I agree. Far too many are being too quick to call their season imo.

[BenjiOscar]

Does it matter. The new West of Scotland League with 62 clubs starts as tier 6 of the pyramid next season. Has Junior football not effectively "died"? Open to be corrected but that was my take on SFA announcement last week

That’s pretty much the case in the west, yep. All of the West Region Junior FA sides have moved to create the new West of Scotland league along with a few other clubs. This will be at tier 6 of the pyramid feeding into the Lowland League.

There is still an East Region Junior FA which covers those clubs in West Lothian and Tayside as well as the North Region Junior FA although the north may also end up joining the senior pyramid as a feeder to the Highland League as the North Caledonian League may also be doing. The teams that are leaving the West Juniors can still maintain membership of the Junior FA to play in the junior cup but they are now regarded as senior clubs. Similar to how Hibs still have membership of the East of Scotland FA although we don’t participate in competitions any longer.

[blackpoolhibs]

Uefa are doing nothing wrong. Being ambitious by setting dates, moving them in accordance with government and the crisis. Makes perfect sense.

Exactly, just as we have with the lockdown, we move it on every 2/3 weeks. If we told everyone there was no chance of getting out the house for 6 months, then some people would just ignore it and do as they liked.

With the promise of it might be ok in a few weeks, or football might be back in a few weeks, keeps most people in check and still interested enough in doing the right things.

[mjhibby]

September is the earliest month for the potential of football to return. This is why leagues will end especially on the smaller football nations .
This charade going on for reconstruction gives appeasement to the noisy few a term which is growing on me i have to say.
The silent majority will do the correct thing and vote for stability and no change at present.

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If i was a hertz fan id be more worried about having a club to support in four/five months time.. Having pointless meetings and trying to force a decision in three weeks is just bonkers when weve no idea when football can return. Budges talking shop will get a few headlines but by the times it cones to a vote self preservation will be overwhelming and the status quo will remain. Evey penny will be a prisoner snd no club will give up any money to save them. Her rants and those from sevco will fill the back pages but the season will end and they will be relegated with a seeetener to them partick and stranraer. I cant see any other solution. Stan collymore accepts villa might be relegated. He knows its not fair but even he sees there no other way of doing it.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can only be ambitious if you have a degree of control. UEFA have NO control over this situation and wholly at the mercy of the virus, governments and common sense. They need to apply some of the latter and try retain some dignity and credibility. UEFA are blinded by money.

No, obviously not. All workplaces are wanting staff back asap. They have zero control either. No doubt Uefa are doing the correct thing here.

[mjhibby]

No, obviously not. All workplaces are wanting staff back asap. They have zero control either. No doubt Uefa are doing the correct thing here.

Uefa are not doing the correct thing at all. Ive no qualms with holding off calling the leagues but you cant finish domestic league,domestic cups and the champions league and not,even with being wildly optimistic,not curtail next by more than you are going to lose in this season.Many govts are adopting different strategies so in theory one country could start playing in july then ohers might be late august meaning no champions League games till october. Its pure fantasy to think this season can be finished in all the european leagues.Was nobody listening to sturgeon and dempster yesterday. Uefa know there is huge financial issues for all clubs and constantly giving false hope is just going to make the pain worse when it comes. Uefa should just zip it till there is the all clear from govts to play. Btw has anybody asked the players if they will play with hundreds dying each day from the virus. So many hurdles to playing games with or without fans i cant believe anybody thinks this season can be finished.

[seanshow]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/21/sweden-plans-to-kick-off-top-football-division-on-14-june-with-fans-in-stadiums

Sweden’s planning to start with fans in june

It's shootie in for Djurgårdens If who win champs league as the only club/country satisfying UEFA qualification requirements 😁

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-given-three-premiership-options-21906279.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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[MWHIBBIES]

Uefa are not doing the correct thing at all. Ive no qualms with holding off calling the leagues but you cant finish domestic league,domestic cups and the champions league and not,even with being wildly optimistic,not curtail next by more than you are going to lose in this season.Many govts are adopting different strategies so in theory one country could start playing in july then ohers might be late august meaning no champions League games till october. Its pure fantasy to think this season can be finished in all the european leagues.Was nobody listening to sturgeon and dempster yesterday. Uefa know there is huge financial issues for all clubs and constantly giving false hope is just going to make the pain worse when it comes. Uefa should just zip it till there is the all clear from govts to play. Btw has anybody asked the players if they will play with hundreds dying each day from the virus. So many hurdles to playing games with or without fans i cant believe anybody thinks this season can be finished.

No. UEFA shouldn't zip it becuse then they would be starting from zero with no plans in place when they finally get the green light. People just like any excuse to have a go at UEFA but they are absolutely spot on. They aren't suggesting playing when its unsafe.

The season can be finished. Same as the Qatar world cup can just be in winter. Football seasons aren't locked to certain dates.

[Peevemor]

It's being reported that Emmanuel Macron did a conference call with the main French religious leaders last night and said that no large gatherings will be permitted until the end of the summer (he'd previously only spoken about mid-july for concerts/festivals).

No football crowds here then!

[mjhibby]

No. UEFA shouldn't zip it becuse then they would be starting from zero with no plans in place when they finally get the green light. People just like any excuse to have a go at UEFA but they are absolutely spot on. They aren't suggesting playing when its unsafe.

The season can be finished. Same as the Qatar world cup can just be in winter. Football seasons aren't locked to certain dates.

Are you forgetting tne euros next season or are we goung to keep extending seasons. Uefa has no say when football can be played so why say anything till its possible to play. pretty simple really.

[Keith_M]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-title-call-hold-uefa-21904135.amp?__twitter_impression=true
August festival of football?


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Those people are totally detached from reality.

Most people accept that there's actually a very limited chance of football being played this year, never mind in August

[brog]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-given-three-premiership-options-21906279.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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I posted a few days back that we may play up until the split. I think that's feasible, only 19 games & it should help us & finish off Hearts if it happens. On Sweden restarting in June, they've gone their own way on this thing. They have roughly double the population of both Denmark & Norway but their total fatalities are currently approximately 5 & 10 times higher. I wouldn't be hanging my hat on them playing in June.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I posted a few days back that we may play up until the split. I think that's feasible, only 19 games & it should help us & finish off Hearts if it happens. On Sweden restarting in June, they've gone their own way on this thing. They have roughly double the population of both Denmark & Norway but their total fatalities are currently approximately 5 & 10 times higher. I wouldn't be hanging my hat on them playing in June.

Sweden, the ancestral home of Eugenics, went for a variant of the Herd Immunity approach, unlike its other Scandanavian neighbours. Their cull is in full swing.

[Keith_M]

It's being reported that Emmanuel Macron did a conference call with the main French religious leaders last night and said that no large gatherings will be permitted until the end of the summer (he'd previously only spoken about mid-july for concerts/festivals).

No football crowds here then!


The First Minister had a video chat with the two main religious leaders in Scotland (Grand Master Douglas Park and Saint Peter of Lawell), and they couldn't agree on the colour of scheiss.

[Peevemor]

Th First Minister had a video chat with the two main religious leaders in Scotland (Grand Master Douglas Park and Saint Peter of Lawell), and they couldn't agree on the colour of scheiss.What? She didn't consult Saint Ann of the Tartan Twinset?

[Billy Whizz]

I posted a few days back that we may play up until the split. I think that's feasible, only 19 games & it should help us & finish off Hearts if it happens. On Sweden restarting in June, they've gone their own way on this thing. They have roughly double the population of both Denmark & Norway but their total fatalities are currently approximately 5 & 10 times higher. I wouldn't be hanging my hat on them playing in June.

It’s just when Brog. Players aren’t in full training yet

[Tomsk]

What? She didn't consult Saint Ann of the Tartan Twinset?

:top marks

[Caversham Green]

What? She didn't consult Saint Ann of the Tartan Twinset?

Just looking at that twinset would have helped them agree about the colour of scheiss.

[supermcginn]

Those people are totally detached from reality.

Most people accept that there's actually a very limited chance of football being played this year, never mind in August
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0422/1133043-bundesliga-set-for-leap-of-faith-restart-on-9-may/ interesting

[007]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-given-three-premiership-options-21906279.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds like fun.[emoji23]


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I posted a few days back that we may play up until the split. I think that's feasible, only 19 games & it should help us & finish off Hearts if it happens. On Sweden restarting in June, they've gone their own way on this thing. They have roughly double the population of both Denmark & Norway but their total fatalities are currently approximately 5 & 10 times higher. I wouldn't be hanging my hat on them playing in June.

Yes, play to the split before starting next season. No sane, fair-minded person could argue that was unfair as everybody would have played everybody else 3 times. Gives Celtic the chance to confirm what everyone knows and also gives Hearts the chance to get to safety. Maybe even could include 2nd bottom playoff against 2nd top in Championship.

League cup could be made a straight knockout and also started later in the season.

[CockneyRebel]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0422/1133043-bundesliga-set-for-leap-of-faith-restart-on-9-may/ interesting


It finishes by saying football has this opportunity to give millions a zest for life again. It also gives them a big chance of a visit from the grim reaper.

The sky has never been so full of pie.

[Keith_M]

Just looking at that twinset would have helped them agree about the colour of scheiss.



:greengrin

[supermcginn]

It finishes by saying football has this opportunity to give millions a zest for life again. It also gives them a big chance of a visit from the grim reaper.

The sky has never been so full of pie.
The games are going to be behind closed doors so not really true.

[MWHIBBIES]

Are you forgetting tne euros next season or are we goung to keep extending seasons. Uefa has no say when football can be played so why say anything till its possible to play. pretty simple really.

Yeah, you're correct. They should just say and do nothing so they waste further time planning when they finally get the go ahead. Isn't that exactly what the government did with PPE?

I'm not forgetting anything, neither are UEFA (who weirdly enough run the UEFA EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS).

Planning ahead, trying to get things going asap and then moving them back if needed is doubtedly the best play. There are absolutely zero negatives to doing that other that it apparently upsets grumpy old men who already dislike UEFA because they cant watch Scottish football from their armchairs if the Champions league is on the same night. Personally that is a positive.

UEFA should and will keep planning to get football back on ASAP.

[jacomo]

Those people are totally detached from reality.

Most people accept that there's actually a very limited chance of football being played this year, never mind in August


I am less pessimistic about this than others.

I think it is possible that self-isolation will continue for vulnerable groups while the rest of the economy tries to open up again - a bit like the Swedish model. Harsh on those who have to stay at home but a possible compromise.

It is possible that the remaining matches in the UEFA competitions could be completed in August, but domestic seasons? I think that opportunity is gone.

[Ozyhibby]

I am less pessimistic about this than others.

I think it is possible that self-isolation will continue for vulnerable groups while the rest of the economy tries to open up again - a bit like the Swedish model. Harsh on those who have to stay at home but a possible compromise.

It is possible that the remaining matches in the UEFA competitions could be completed in August, but domestic seasons? I think that opportunity is gone.

Tickets for Tynecastle would be easier to get if all the over 50’s are still in isolation. Shame they won’t be in our league.


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[CockneyRebel]

Yeah, you're correct. They should just say and do nothing so they waste further time planning when they finally get the go ahead. Isn't that exactly what the government did with PPE?

I'm not forgetting anything, neither are UEFA (who weirdly enough run the UEFA EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS).

Planning ahead, trying to get things going asap and then moving them back if needed is doubtedly the best play. There are absolutely zero negatives to doing that other that it apparently upsets grumpy old men who already dislike UEFA because they cant watch Scottish football from their armchairs if the Champions league is on the same night. Personally that is a positive.

UEFA should and will keep planning to get football back on ASAP.

Agree with ongoing forward planning to stay ahead of developments and be as ready as possible to restart EVERYTHING but football should not get any sort of priority.

[brog]

It’s just when Brog. Players aren’t in full training yet

I was assuming as a prelude to next season Billy. I'm not advocating it but I think it's the only slight possibility there is of playing any more games from the 19/20 season.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree with ongoing forward planning to stay ahead of developments and be as ready as possible to restart EVERYTHING but football should not get any sort of priority.

Each instituion will prioritise their own things. The Union of European football associations is most likely to focus on football.

[jacomo]

What? She didn't consult Saint Ann of the Tartan Twinset?


The FM does not simply call Her Holiness. She must wait until summoned.

[ancient hibee]

Each instituion will prioritise their own things. The Union of European football associations is most likely to focus on football.

No it focuses in paying its officials large amounts of money mostly obtained from TV companies.

[Billy Whizz]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354

[MWHIBBIES]

No it focuses in paying its officials large amounts of money mostly obtained from TV companies.

Would those be the officials that help negotiate those large TV deals, thus earning UEFA large amounts of money and being rewarded for it?

Perfectly reasonable

[Peevemor]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354

It's now up to the SPFL board to decide.


SPFL clubs are to vote on a resolution recommending the termination of the 2019/20 season in the Ladbrokes Championship, Ladbrokes League 1 and Ladbrokes League 2, with final season placings determined by points per game in league matches played to date by each club.


The resolution also recommends that matches in the Ladbrokes Premiership remain postponed for the time being, to give the best possible opportunity for the remaining 2019/20 fixtures to be played.


However, if the SPFL Board determines that the remaining Premiership matches cannot be played, the Ladbrokes Premiership would also be terminated, with final season placings determined on the same basis.


I'm getting really sick of clubs going public with this stuff.

[Billy Whizz]

It's now up to the SPFL board to decide.



I'm getting really sick of clubs going public with this stuff.

Aberdeen are desperate for 3rd, and the extra prize money that goes with it

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;6150996]Each instituion will prioritise their own things. The Union of European football associations is most likely to focus on football.


Duh! that's a given, I'm talking about the big picture where government make the decisions that affect the country as a whole.

[the tornadoe]

I honestly cannot see games being played let alone supporters in stadiums this year. As much as football is really important to US the Government will decide and I can't see any political leader allowing mass gatherings or contact sports for fear of them being blamed if there is a surge in infections afterwards. They would be committing political suicide if that happened and no one will want to be the one who called it wrong !!
We will slowly lift the lockdown with schools going back first, thus allowing parents back to work, the most vulnerable will be asked to remain at home and social distancing will still be in force. If ( and it's a big IF ) that goes to plan then maybe pubs bars and restaurants will get the OK to open , AGAIN practising social distancing, IF that goes to plan things will gradually open up to near normal life BUT mass gatherings will be one of the very last things to be allowed...

[Onion]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354

Helpful :rolleyes: Maybe wishing for something really, really hard will make all the difference.

So, if by some miracle we find a way of finishing the league season ... does Anne's masterplan for Global reconstruction still go ahead ? Or would that only be a good idea if Hearts still end up bottom. Will we ever know ?

[Springbank]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354

This is bad news for Hearts (which makes it good news as far as I am concerned)

Despite the hot air coming out of Tynecastle, hearts worst case scenario is the season concluding in the autumn.
Why?
Because relegation being confirmed in April helps them cost cutting (Your Daniel & the Duds all get released)

Concluding the season in autumn means hearts have to keep paying the players at 100% of wages (or less in those cases where a player has agreed)

And hearts simply cant afford May...let alone June & July & August & maybe Sept with no gate income.

They need relegation & the prize money for 12th & the opportunity to shave people off the wage bill

Aberdeen's plan wrecks all of that

[G B Young]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354

They need to just let this go, move on and focus on how and when we might get next season started.

[Waxy]

Helpful :rolleyes: Maybe wishing for something really, really hard will make all the difference.

So, if by some miracle we find a way of finishing the league season ... does Anne's masterplan for Global reconstruction still go ahead ? Or would that only be a good idea if Hearts still end up bottom. Will we ever know ?
Going by the past few weeks, they’ll wait and see how they get on, if they are relegated again, they’ll want the league reconstructed, because they paid too much money to get relegated,twice in one season.

[Billy Whizz]

This is bad news for Hearts (which makes it good news as far as I am concerned)

Despite the hot air coming out of Tynecastle, hearts worst case scenario is the season concluding in the autumn.
Why?
Because relegation being confirmed in April helps them cost cutting (Your Daniel & the Duds all get released)

Concluding the season in autumn means hearts have to keep paying the players at 100% of wages (or less in those cases where a player has agreed)

And hearts simply cant afford May...let alone June & July & August & maybe Sept with no gate income.

They need relegation & the prize money for 12th & the opportunity to shave people off the wage bill

Aberdeen's plan wrecks all of that

And what happens to the payments due to the teams, if they are desperate for it

[jacomo]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354


Ooh a ‘feasibility study’? Perhaps they are jealous of self-regarding Ann’s task force and want to be seen as equally important?

Why is Aberdeen doing this? A feasibility study is something you do to assess major projects - a new stadium, say. This is a football-wide issue, and to have one club asking everyone else to wait while they carry out their own assessment of the situation is a total nonsense.

Aside from LD, where are the leaders in scottish football with a clear view of what needs to be done and how to make it happen?

[mjhibby]

Ooh a ‘feasibility study’? Perhaps they are jealous of self-regarding Ann’s task force and want to be seen as equally important?

Why is Aberdeen doing this? A feasibility study is something you do to assess major projects - a new stadium, say. This is a football-wide issue, and to have one club asking everyone else to wait while they carry out their own assessment of the situation is a total nonsense.

Aside from LD, where are the leaders in scottish football with a clear view of what needs to be done and how to make it happen?

Yet more waffling with nothing concrete suggested. What is it folk are not understanding. The first minister has made it crystal clear that any football is months away. This is yet another exercise in futility. Until the govt gives the green light then all debates are irrelevant. Wishing this oncoming meteor to swerve us isnt solving anything. It seems sturgeon and Dempster are the only real leaders at this moment.

[Peevemor]

Ooh a ‘feasibility study’? Perhaps they are jealous of self-regarding Ann’s task force and want to be seen as equally important?

Why is Aberdeen doing this? A feasibility study is something you do to assess major projects - a new stadium, say. This is a football-wide issue, and to have one club asking everyone else to wait while they carry out their own assessment of the situation is a total nonsense.

Aside from LD, where are the leaders in scottish football with a clear view of what needs to be done and how to make it happen?

Apart from anything else, they took part in the election of the SPFL board.

They then voted to let the SPFL board decide how and when to end the season.

Yes, by all means they should speak to the memebrs of the board to give their thoughts - but it should be done privately.

If it was up to me I'd slap them down very publicly.

[mjhibby]

They need to just let this go, move on and focus on how and when we might get next season started.

Totally agree. Constantly taking about possible scenarios is utterly futile. Until there is any indication we can train properly and then a realitic timetable of planning for restarting football then anything else is just wishful thinking. Its the first minister who makes the call. She will decide not the football authorities. Its that simple.

[brog]

And along come Aberdeen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52383354



It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

I was saving MacBeth for Budgie but this is entirely appropriate. If you close your eyes really, really tightly & wish hard then maybe it will happen.

[greenpaper55]

C M O on the BBC saying social distancing might be in place for up to a year ! That will finish off a few clubs if that's the case.

[Ozyhibby]

C M O on the BBC saying social distancing might be in place for up to a year ! That will finish off a few clubs if that's the case.

That’s what a doctor would say they would like but he won’t get his way. Our society would collapse unless we all get back to work.


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[G B Young]

C M O on the BBC saying social distancing might be in place for up to a year ! That will finish off a few clubs if that's the case.

Here's what he said: "Some very socially disruptive measures will almost certainly have to remain in force for the rest of the year. In the long run, the exit from this is going to be one of two things, ideally. A vaccine, and there are a variety of ways they can be deployed ... or, and/or, highly effective drugs so that people stop dying of this disease even if they catch it, or which can prevent this disease in vulnerable people. Until we have those, and the probability of having those any time in the next calendar year are incredibly small and I think we should be realistic about that."

You have to say that 'very socially disruptive' pretty much means no large social/cultural or sporting gatherings of crowds this year. I imagine some sort of phased return to work and school will be worked out, but football? Not a high priority.

[the tornadoe]

That’s what a doctor would say they would like but he won’t get his way. Our society would collapse unless we all get back to work.


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Unfortunately the politicians will listen to the medical / scientific advice and its the politicians that tell us what to do !!!

[Ozyhibby]

Unfortunately the politicians will listen to the medical / scientific advice and its the politicians that tell us what to do !!!

Until the point where the people decide the politicians are wrong. When people start running out of money and there is nothing left of our economy, he politicians will stop listening to the doctors and we will be back at work and business will be told to try get back to normal.


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[greenpaper55]

That’s what a doctor would say they would like but he won’t get his way. Our society would collapse unless we all get back to work.


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I think you are right, there comes a time when the cure is worse than the disease.

[G B Young]

I think you are right, there comes a time when the cure is worse than the disease.

What does that actually mean? It's a much bandied-about Trumpism.

As New York's Governor has just asked a reporter: "How can the cure be worse than the illness if the illness means potential death? What if it was your family that might get infected?"

[Ozyhibby]

What does that actually mean? It's a much bandied-about Trumpism.

As New York's Governor has just asked a reporter: "How can the cure be worse than the illness if the illness means potential death? What if it was your family that might get infected?"

The austerity that we are storing up for ourselves will result in many deaths as well.
Report in today’s papers saying cancer deaths are spiking just now as well as people are not going in for treatments.
If we want an NHS then we need to be able to fund it. We won’t be able to fund it at all sitting in the house.
The lockdown was correct but we need to be planning for exit soon.


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[Lago]

The austerity that we are storing up for ourselves will result in many deaths as well.
Report in today’s papers saying cancer deaths are spiking just now as well as people are not going in for treatments.
If we want an NHS then we need to be able to fund it. We won’t be able to fund it at all sitting in the house.
The lockdown was correct but we need to be planning for exit soon.


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You may well be right on the points you make but, football will come along way down the pecking order when deciding on return to work, travel etc. Football this side of New Year, nope don't think so & then only with vastly reduced attendance.

[greenpaper55]

What does that actually mean? It's a much bandied-about Trumpism.

As New York's Governor has just asked a reporter: "How can the cure be worse than the illness if the illness means potential death? What if it was your family that might get infected?"

A quote from the man

Prof Chris Whitty said it was "wholly unrealistic" to expect life would suddenly return to normal soon.
He said "in the long run" the ideal way out would be via a "highly effective vaccine" or drugs to treat the disease.
But he warned that the chance of having those within the next calendar year was "incredibly small".
"This disease is not going to be eradicated, it is not going to disappear," he said, at the government's daily coronavirus briefing.
"So we have to accept that we are working with a disease that we are going to be with globally... for the foreseeable future."

So, we either stay in our houses for ever or take a chance with it !

[G B Young]

A quote from the man

Prof Chris Whitty said it was "wholly unrealistic" to expect life would suddenly return to normal soon.
He said "in the long run" the ideal way out would be via a "highly effective vaccine" or drugs to treat the disease.
But he warned that the chance of having those within the next calendar year was "incredibly small".
"This disease is not going to be eradicated, it is not going to disappear," he said, at the government's daily coronavirus briefing.
"So we have to accept that we are working with a disease that we are going to be with globally... for the foreseeable future."

So, we either stay in our houses for ever or take a chance with it !

I think we can safely say that 'taking a chance with it' won't be the recommended strategy for keeping on top of this disease.

He doesn't mean we'll be in lockdown for the rest of the year, but he's making it pretty clear that allowing crowds to return to football matches won't be among the priorities when a partial lifting of restrictions is eventually phased in. It continues to amaze me that the football authorities (bar a few grown-ups like Leeann) fail to grasp this and actually think finishing this season is in any way important. The focus needs to be on trying to ensure there's still a game for fans to come back to one day.

[Waxy]

I think you are right, there comes a time when the cure is worse than the disease.

Thats what i thought from the start.We cant stop the disease.It’s Gods will or whatever and everyone is destined to get it eventually, but if we do social distancing for enough time the NHS will be bolstered enough to cope with any influx. We have to get back to building up normal life soon while still shielding vulnerable the best we can or as you said, the cure will be worse than the disease.

[jacomo]

The austerity that we are storing up for ourselves will result in many deaths as well.
Report in today’s papers saying cancer deaths are spiking just now as well as people are not going in for treatments.
If we want an NHS then we need to be able to fund it. We won’t be able to fund it at all sitting in the house.
The lockdown was correct but we need to be planning for exit soon.


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Austerity was a political choice.

The longer this goes on, the more a fundamental rethink of our economy is required... as if it wasn’t already!

[Ozyhibby]

Austerity was a political choice.

The longer this goes on, the more a fundamental rethink of our economy is required... as if it wasn’t already!

Tories are in power. It will be austerity again.


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[Chip shop Joe]

Think the effect on the economy will be so great that it is going to have to be tax rises, as there is not a huge amount left to cut.

With unemployment soaring also it is going to be a long road back.

[FilipinoHibs]

Tories are in power. It will be austerity again.


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There are running up huge debts to prop up people and businesses. We are in the deepest recession since the great depression. Unemployment will be huge. People will have lower earnings and less spending power. Businesses will be going bust or have much reduced profits. Tax receipts will be way down and social security spending way up. The deficit between tax revenues and spending will be large for several years. This government will use austerity to reduce public spending rather than borrow more to grow the economy. Even with this austerity the size of our public debt will balloon from all ready very high levels.

[theonlywayisup]

Here's what he said: "Some very socially disruptive measures will almost certainly have to remain in force for the rest of the year. In the long run, the exit from this is going to be one of two things, ideally. A vaccine, and there are a variety of ways they can be deployed ... or, and/or, highly effective drugs so that people stop dying of this disease even if they catch it, or which can prevent this disease in vulnerable people. Until we have those, and the probability of having those any time in the next calendar year are incredibly small and I think we should be realistic about that."

You have to say that 'very socially disruptive' pretty much means no large social/cultural or sporting gatherings of crowds this year. I imagine some sort of phased return to work and school will be worked out, but football? Not a high priority.

I think you're right GBY. A phased return to school and work will happen in the next 2-3 months, but mass gatherings, pubs & restaurants opening etc are unlikely to happen this year. I think that's the reason that LD left the re-construction talks mentioning a meteor about to hit football.

[Springbank]

Speaking as someone who contracted covid (just before the lockdown) and who caught it at the more serious end of the scale (borderline hospitalisation) you cant discount the role football plays in helping folk recover.

It's more than a distraction it's a motivation

In the darker moments in March, struggling for breath & mega feverish, the thing that drove me on was "I'm not letting this bxxtard virus stop me from seeing the Scottish Cup Semi - I've waited 14 years for this revenge over the cheating jambo bxxtards"

[the tornadoe]

Until the point where the people decide the politicians are wrong. When people start running out of money and there is nothing left of our economy, he politicians will stop listening to the doctors and we will be back at work and business will be told to try get back to normal.


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exactly my point,,, back to work with social distancing and kids back to school. That will be IT !! No mass gatherings which would / could trigger a second or third wave.

[Antifa Hibs]

https://www.dw.com/en/quarantine-for-football-bundesliga-fan-groups-oppose-restart-and-demand-change/a-53201096

Interesting article here about German football and the Bundesliga.

Fans opposed to closed door games as suspected. Also 13 out of 36 top level clubs could face serious financial difficulties!

[lapsedhibee]

Here's what he said: "Some very socially disruptive measures will almost certainly have to remain in force for the rest of the year. In the long run, the exit from this is going to be one of two things, ideally. A vaccine, and there are a variety of ways they can be deployed ... or, and/or, highly effective drugs so that people stop dying of this disease even if they catch it, or which can prevent this disease in vulnerable people. Until we have those, and the probability of having those any time in the next calendar year are incredibly small and I think we should be realistic about that."

The next calendar year is 2021. If Whitty meant to say the next calendar year, rather than the next 12 months, then he is talking about the widespread availability of effective vaccine/treatment being unlikely until 2022.

[the tornadoe]

The next calendar year is 2021. If Whitty meant to say the next calendar year, rather than the next 12 months, then he is talking about the widespread availability of effective vaccine/treatment being unlikely until 2022.



vaccine may be available this year, the problem is getting it produced in the quantity required and then administered to the general population. If everything goes well we are looking at well in to next year before that would be achievable....... according to the all the scientific experts on CH4 last night. Really informative and factual show well worth viewing on catch up if you missed it...

[Col2]

vaccine may be available this year, the problem is getting it produced in the quantity required and then administered to the general population. If everything goes well we are looking at well in to next year before that would be achievable....... according to the all the scientific experts on CH4 last night. Really informative and factual show well worth viewing on catch up if you missed it...

What Programme was that? Always been intrigued about this timeline but I understand they can’t take risks of long term effects of a new drug. Cheers.

[brog]

A quote from the man

Prof Chris Whitty said it was "wholly unrealistic" to expect life would suddenly return to normal soon.
He said "in the long run" the ideal way out would be via a "highly effective vaccine" or drugs to treat the disease.
But he warned that the chance of having those within the next calendar year was "incredibly small".
"This disease is not going to be eradicated, it is not going to disappear," he said, at the government's daily coronavirus briefing.
"So we have to accept that we are working with a disease that we are going to be with globally... for the foreseeable future."

So, we either stay in our houses for ever or take a chance with it !

This is Whitty who, along with Johnson & Hancock failed to take his own advice & caught the virus. This is Whitty who either proposed or was complicit in our herd immunity strategy which has resulted in us having the highest # of deaths outside the USA. He's now gone full about turn in an effort to restore his credibility & all he's doing is destroying hope.

[JimBHibees]

This is Whitty who, along with Johnson & Hancock failed to take his own advice & caught the virus. This is Whitty who either proposed or was complicit in our herd immunity strategy which has resulted in us having the highest # of deaths outside the USA. He's now gone full about turn in an effort to restore his credibility & all he's doing is destroying hope.

Agree I get the impression he hasn't been happy for a while sometimes his body language and glances at the politicians are interesting. Notice on one of the conferences he was pretty snippy with something along the lines of, so this question will be for me then.

No doubt he will have given advice but timing of things will be decided by politicians and to ensure a United front probably went along with it. No doubt he will have been getting grief from fellow clinicians due to deaths in NHS.

[lapsedhibee]

This is Whitty who, along with Johnson & Hancock failed to take his own advice & caught the virus. This is Whitty who either proposed or was complicit in our herd immunity strategy which has resulted in us having the highest # of deaths outside the USA. He's now gone full about turn in an effort to restore his credibility & all he's doing is destroying hope.

Knighthood for services to the Conservative Party, held to account :faf: by the likes of Kuenssberg. He was only ever at these briefings to take the eventual blame. And the public transport graphs, please. :bitchy:

[the tornadoe]

What Programme was that? Always been intrigued about this timeline but I understand they can’t take risks of long term effects of a new drug. Cheers.



Can Science Beat the Virus?
Channel 4

[gaz1875]

This is Whitty who, along with Johnson & Hancock failed to take his own advice & caught the virus. This is Whitty who either proposed or was complicit in our herd immunity strategy which has resulted in us having the highest # of deaths outside the USA. He's now gone full about turn in an effort to restore his credibility & all he's doing is destroying hope.


Where are you getting this information?

[nonshinyfinish]

Call in parliament for independent inquiry into Scottish football vote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/23/call-in-parliament-for-independent-inquiry-into-scottish-football-vote-early-day-motion-spfl


Gregory Campbell, the DUP’s long-serving MP for East Londonderry, became primary sponsor for the motion

:rolleyes:

[G B Young]

Uefa set to give the nod later today to ending the season, which will hopefully silence those still babbling on about trying to finish it and focus minds on trying to put in place plan for next season:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/21/scottish-premiership-season-set-to-be-called-off-after-uefa-assurances

[brog]

Where are you getting this information?

Take the deaths in hospitals & add on those outside hospitals. It takes us well past Spain & Italy even tho they're trying to hide them.

[G B Young]

Where are you getting this information?

There are a lot of amateur medical science experts around these days :wink:

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Call in parliament for independent inquiry into Scottish football vote: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/23/call-in-parliament-for-independent-inquiry-into-scottish-football-vote-early-day-motion-spfl



:rolleyes:

What an absolute roaster

[Bostonhibby]

What an absolute roasterWhen you look at the vote numbers there's a majority for a particular view that any parliamentarian would be proud to have.

Hypocrisy.

He does seem like a proper Save Hearts In Trouble sort of a guy though.

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[brog]

There are a lot of amateur medical science experts around these days :wink:

There's also Govt figures & if you take those you'll see that we are at #2. Remember the ONS figures are at least a week behind. The FT yesterday estimated our current deaths at 41k!!

[ancient hibee]

The guesses about deaths in the UK are just that guesses.Just as they are in every country in the world.In the UK if you get killed in a traffic accident and are found to have the virus it will appear on the death certificate and be counted.

[brog]

The guesses about deaths in the UK are just that guesses.Just as they are in every country in the world.In the UK if you get killed in a traffic accident and are found to have the virus it will appear on the death certificate and be counted.

It won't because there will be no test carried out.

[greenginger]

Take the deaths in hospitals & add on those outside hospitals. It takes us well past Spain & Italy even tho they're trying to hide them.


But the Spain and Italy figures are based on hospital deaths too. Add the deaths outside hospitals in those countries and how would we compare ?

Also, you can’t just compare numbers in the USA , a country with 350 million population with Italy and UK with about 60 million each.

[FilipinoHibs]

But the Spain and Italy figures are based on hospital deaths too. Add the deaths outside hospitals in those countries and how would we compare ?

Also, you can’t just compare numbers in the USA , a country with 350 million population with Italy and UK with about 60 million each.

WHO have told UEFA no football till after the end of season 20/21. UEFA denying they were told this. More head in the sand stuff from them.

[nonshinyfinish]

WHO have told UEFA no football till after tge end of season 20/21. UEFA denying they were told this. More head in the sand stuff from them.

WHO say that UEFA are correct on this one:


A WHO statement added: “This is not correct. WHO never recommended that football should no longer be played until the end of 2021.”

(https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/uefa-champions-league-who-advice-season-suspended-2021-coronavirus-latest-a9477431.html)

[brog]

But the Spain and Italy figures are based on hospital deaths too. Add the deaths outside hospitals in those countries and how would we compare ?

Also, you can’t just compare numbers in the USA , a country with 350 million population with Italy and UK with about 60 million each.

It's actually quite confusing GG. Italy are supposedly counting everyone, France were only doing hospitals until end of March when they started including others & Spain are probably still only counting from hospitals. The European country with the most professional data gathering is Belgium & they're now upset that they're looking bad comparatively because they have accurate stats! I agree re USA but they're really 2 different countries with cities versus rural areas. Their # of deaths will be the highest but their death rate by population will be lower than the worst affected European countries.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/footballswissen/status/1253277861756252160?s=21

Detailed description of measures the Swiss are proposing to resume football.


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://twitter.com/footballswissen/status/1253277861756252160?s=21

Detailed description of measures the Swiss are proposing to resume football.


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So behind closed doors and on tv.

Does that work financially here where gate revenue is such a big thing? Maybe if we could sell the broadcast rights to every game for a period and possibly some PPV?

[HibernianJK]

The guesses about deaths in the UK are just that guesses.Just as they are in every country in the world.In the UK if you get killed in a traffic accident and are found to have the virus it will appear on the death certificate and be counted.

Are you sure about this? I find that it hard to believe that’s the case.

[SteveHFC]

just announced no big gatherings or events for months

[G B Young]

There's also Govt figures & if you take those you'll see that we are at #2. Remember the ONS figures are at least a week behind. The FT yesterday estimated our current deaths at 41k!!

Sorry, I wasn't referring so much to the estimated death tolls, more calling into question the flak being directed at Whitty. A quick look at his biog indicates he has outstanding creds for the role and while I don't watch the daily briefing every day I thought he came across as informative and decisive yesterday (while looking increasingly exhausted!).

It's a helluva responsibility he has on his hands and while he's never going to get every call right I'd rather trust his opinion than those whose desire to see an end to lockdown seems to be based on little more than the fact they're getting bored being stuck in the house. Sure, we can all see that the global economy is a disaster zone and that whatever type of government the PM hoped to lead will never now be known, but there's a balance to be struck between excessive caution and recklessness - and a big difference between constructive criticism and, as Matthew Syed asserts here: 'The more threatening the crisis, the greater the lust for scapegoats'.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-is-the-age-of-me-me-me-until-we-need-a-scapegoat-and-its-them-them-them-x3gls8gwp

[Greenworld]

So behind closed doors and on tv.

Does that work financially here where gate revenue is such a big thing? Maybe if we could sell the broadcast rights to every game for a period and possibly some PPV?It does not matter much as we follow a very different path which will run for many more months for football and large gatherings Nicola sturgeon today

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[JeMeSouviens]

It does not matter much as we follow a very different path which will run for many more months for football and large gatherings Nicola sturgeon today

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There's no chance of football matches here with crowds being allowed but the Swiss are proposing behind closed doors (they call it "ghost games").

[Greenworld]

There's no chance of football matches here with crowds being allowed but the Swiss are proposing behind closed doors (they call it "ghost games").I suppose this is what LD is looking at

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[weecounty hibby]

The guesses about deaths in the UK are just that guesses.Just as they are in every country in the world.In the UK if you get killed in a traffic accident and are found to have the virus it will appear on the death certificate and be counted.

No it won't. Cause of death will not have been Covid-19 in that case. If I die in a road accident and have cancer, the cause if death won't be cancer.

[Ozyhibby]

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[CockneyRebel]

No it won't. Cause of death will not have been Covid-19 in that case. If I die in a road accident and have cancer, the cause if death won't be cancer.


Many NHS and medical reports say that it has been happening right from the beginning and only now being addressed.

[weecounty hibby]

Many NHS and medical reports say that it has been happening right from the beginning and only now being addressed.
Where? If anything the claims have been that Covid deaths have been underreported as those in care homes or outside of hospitals have not been recorded

[steviehibsleith]

From BBC looks like UEFA don’t want coefficient or any of that crap after teams asked for European places for next seasons competitions. see quoted below



However, it is understood a meeting of Uefa's executive committee determined that on-field performances this season up to a league being suspended should be the deciding factor.

[Lago]

Take the deaths in hospitals & add on those outside hospitals. It takes us well past Spain & Italy even tho they're trying to hide them.
Ah so your generating your own statistics, nice one 🤔

[The 90+2]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Germany agreed to return to football on May 9th... that'll be interesting

[MurrayfieldHibs]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/

Please just get on with it!

:bye:

[weecounty hibby]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/
🎶 Bye bye jam tarts 🎶 just hurry up and get it done

[Onion]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/

Tick Tock, Anne :greengrin

[brog]

Ah so your generating your own statistics, nice one 🤔

No, just adding 2 official statistics together.

[brog]

Sorry, I wasn't referring so much to the estimated death tolls, more calling into question the flak being directed at Whitty. A quick look at his biog indicates he has outstanding creds for the role and while I don't watch the daily briefing every day I thought he came across as informative and decisive yesterday (while looking increasingly exhausted!).

It's a helluva responsibility he has on his hands and while he's never going to get every call right I'd rather trust his opinion than those whose desire to see an end to lockdown seems to be based on little more than the fact they're getting bored being stuck in the house. Sure, we can all see that the global economy is a disaster zone and that whatever type of government the PM hoped to lead will never now be known, but there's a balance to be struck between excessive caution and recklessness - and a big difference between constructive criticism and, as Matthew Syed asserts here: 'The more threatening the crisis, the greater the lust for scapegoats'.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-is-the-age-of-me-me-me-until-we-need-a-scapegoat-and-its-them-them-them-x3gls8gwp

I completely agree.

[Bostonhibby]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/How can this be? There's a task force led by no less than Mrs doctor Budge and Hearts have spent more than enough money not to be relegated. Do they not understand this?

Mrs doctor Budge hasn't even got round to dishing out the pens to each of her task force subordinates yet.

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[nonshinyfinish]

How can this be? There's a task force led by no less than Mrs doctor Budge and Hearts have spent more than enough money not to be relegated. Do they not understand this?

Mrs doctor Budge hasn't even got round to dishing out the pens to each of her task force subordinates yet.

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The pens will be here any day now.

[Bostonhibby]

The pens will be here any day now.Sounds like this task force is really coming together now. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/1ef0778d48a67a8fb1a646a5208b6e2b.jpg

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[hibbyfraelibby]

The guesses about deaths in the UK are just that guesses.Just as they are in every country in the world.In the UK if you get killed in a traffic accident and are found to have the virus it will appear on the death certificate and be counted.

The ONS, and the Records of Scotland figures are not estimates or guesses but hard data taken from the certified causes of death (edit including contibutory factors) on a death certificate. As for you facecious remark about road deaths and corona virus have a word with your self instead of making it up about contributory conditions.

[Waxy]

From BBC looks like UEFA don’t want coefficient or any of that crap after teams asked for European places for next seasons competitions. see quoted below



However, it is understood a meeting of Uefa's executive committee determined that on-field performances this season up to a league being suspended should be the deciding factor.

Think everyone realises league performance up till suspension has to be a factor. Thats why the yes vote won. They have to go.

[Jim44]

From BBC looks like UEFA don’t want coefficient or any of that crap after teams asked for European places for next seasons competitions. see quoted below



However, it is understood a meeting of Uefa's executive committee determined that on-field performances this season up to a league being suspended should be the deciding factor.



But our top tier has not been suspended and Budge and Gray have been given a job to do. I can’t see the SPFL and SFA reneging on this arrangement, so Budge still has a lifeline.

[hibbyfraelibby]

[/B]


But our top tier has not been suspended and Budge and Gray have been given a job to do. I can’t see the SPFL and SFA reneging on this arrangement, so Budge still has a lifeline.

They never gave Budge any guarantees
She was told to come up with an acceptable plan. She can still do that...just as the Chairwoman of a Championship side.

[Aldo]

Surely it must be statement time??


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[JeMeSouviens]

Surely it must be statement time??


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:agree:

Hearts and the New Huns sharpening their crayons even as we speak. :wink:

I hope UEFA realise they're in for some pretty stern stuff. :tsk tsk:

[CockneyRebel]

Where? If anything the claims have been that Covid deaths have been underreported as those in care homes or outside of hospitals have not been recorded

I only watch the tv news and daily minister's press conference so it would have been amongst that lot. Also I came across a graph two days ago (I just googled death figures UK) breaking down the death ratios by age in the UK. It showed the bulk of the UK deaths were older folk between 60 and 80+. two thirds of that figure were the 80+ and that most of them were already dealing with a condition like heart trouble or breathing difficulties where many were not expected to last the year. The report stated that the medical opinion was that although they died while infected with the virus it was a contributing factor and not the sole cause of death although it was given out as a virus casualty. Not much consolation to those that died but they felt it further indication that the majority of those infected would pull through. I still feel that the figures are misleading because of the way they are recorded (if at all) and it will be quite some time before they are reliable enough to graph or trend accurately.

[Aldo]

:agree:

Hearts and the New Huns sharpening their crayons even as we speak. :wink:

I hope UEFA realise they're in for some pretty stern stuff. :tsk tsk:

Indeed.

Let’s see how long the SPFL give the newly convened reconstruction group!!


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[Alfred E Newman]

Take the deaths in hospitals & add on those outside hospitals. It takes us well past Spain & Italy even tho they're trying to hide them.

You should get yourself a job with BBC news.

[007]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/

The noose is tightening.

[Aldo]

The noose is tightening.

As per my earlier post, I wonder how long the SPFL will take to make any decision?


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[HibbyAndy]

FFS man are they still not relegated ?!:rolleyes:


Just do it ! Get rid of this grubby little club once and for all !

[Onion]

As per my earlier post, I wonder how long the SPFL will take to make any decision?


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Only thing holding everyone up now is Budge and her little chat group of underperforming clubs. SPFL will find it easy to convince UEFA on either or both of the tests to finish early, Scot Gov have all but confirmed there will be no football for months. The 85% now need to move on, distribute the Prem prize money, keep clubs alive and ditch the Losers.

[Aldo]

Only thing holding everyone up now is Budge and her little chat group of underperforming clubs. SPFL will find it easy to convince UEFA on either or both of the tests to finish early, Scot Gov have all but confirmed there will be no football for months. The 85% now need to move on, distribute the Prem prize money, keep clubs alive and ditch the Losers.

Budge will have a few sleepless nights imho. Wonder if she actually realises that relegation is a goer?? Or will she be in total denial and think everyone will go for the reconstruction.

Dons fan at work is happy to consider reconstruction 16/18 team league playing home and away but not for 1 season.

Cmon let’s get this done.

Wonder if we will see a statement??


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[HibbyAndy]

So Ann Budge want's league reconstruction for ONE SEASON :confused:


Is anyone falling for this ?..She is not acting in the best interest for Scottish football she's trying to get Hearts off the hook by avoiding relegation

Just relegate them !!!

[Heisenberg]

So Ann Budge want's league reconstruction for ONE SEASON :confused:


Is anyone falling for this ?..She is not acting in the best interest for Scottish football she's trying to get Hearts off the hook by avoiding relegation

Just relegate them !!!

Aberdeen chairman is in favour of a one season reconstruction but he’s not interested in a long term change. Makes little sense to me.

[HibbyAndy]

Aberdeen chairman is in favour of a one season reconstruction but he’s not interested in a long term change. Makes little sense to me.


Honestly i'm staggered it's even being considered

Utter madness

[Sudds_1]

The ONS, and the Records of Scotland figures are not estimates or guesses but hard data taken from the certified causes of death on a death certificate. As for you facecious remark about road deaths and corona virus have a word with your self instead of making it up about contributory conditions.

Hmm...ifsomeone with chronic COPD,heart congestion,diabetes, and cancer ( my father in law) contracts covid19 and then dies ..cause of death? I wouldhave imagined covid cited ascontribitory rather than the cause?

He's ok for now btw!

[Waxy]

Aberdeen chairman is in favour of a one season reconstruction but he’s not interested in a long term change. Makes little sense to me.

Then your just punishing other clubs next season for hearts shocker this season. That Aberdeen chairfellow is on the mushies.

[RoYO!]

Aberdeen chairman is in favour of a one season reconstruction but he’s not interested in a long term change. Makes little sense to me.

On what grounds?

[G B Young]

But the Spain and Italy figures are based on hospital deaths too. Add the deaths outside hospitals in those countries and how would we compare ?

Also, you can’t just compare numbers in the USA , a country with 350 million population with Italy and UK with about 60 million each.

Correct. The regionalisation of those nations is also making gathering data complicated. The Catalan region, for example, which includes the city of Barcelona, has only now started to collate deaths from outwith hospitals while Italy's true death toll is feared to be many thousands higher, in particular due to the numbers of people dying at home.

Way too early to start making definitive claims about tallies around the world.

[G B Young]

FFS man are they still not relegated ?!:rolleyes:


Just do it ! Get rid of this grubby little club once and for all !

:agree: SPFL should just call it tonight. The First Minister as good as confirmed today this season has no chance of being completed.

[Mikey]

From about half way down page 317 on the big thread on Kickback is absolutely hilarious.

@gdown:

[Heisenberg]

On what grounds?

He wants to make it fair for Hearts/Partick/Stranraer. He doesn’t want a permanent reconstruction because now is not the time and it would mean redistribution of funds (which he’s obviously not a fan of). Aberdeen know they’ll be safe from being involved in a relegation battle but a temporary reconstruction really isn’t fair on a number of other clubs who most likely will be.

[ancient hibee]

It won't because there will be no test carried out.


Are you sure about this? I find that it hard to believe that’s the case.

Sorry just catching up been very busy with the crossword.

Covid19 is appearing on death certificates in the UK whether or not a test has been done particularly in care homes-as long as the medical practitioner thinks it may be a possibility. Contrast this with Italy where they're still finding bodies.

[ancient hibee]

The ONS, and the Records of Scotland figures are not estimates or guesses but hard data taken from the certified causes of death on a death certificate. As for you facecious remark about road deaths and corona virus have a word with your self instead of making it up about contributory conditions.

Your rudeness is equalled by your ignorance.In fact one of the current guidelines allows "presumed to be covid19" to be entered on a certificate when their is no confirmation that that is the cause.

[WoreTheGreen]

Maybe highly insensitive but do insurance companies pay out on life cover . Is pendamics excluded.

[Hibs4185]

I think the SPFL will call it in the next few days. Relegate hearts and then have the vote on reconstruction whenever it is ready.

Hearts will have to vote as a championship club and Dundee Utd as a premiership team. Can’t see Utd voting for reconstruction when they’ve just came up.

Bye bye hearts!

[Lago]

Your rudeness is equalled by your ignorance.

Get in!! 👍

[hibbyfraelibby]

Your rudeness is equalled by your ignorance.

😘😘😘

[ancient hibee]

😘😘😘
I've edited the post with an explanation.

[brog]

Sorry just catching up been very busy with the crossword.

Covid19 is appearing on death certificates in the UK whether or not a test has been done particularly in care homes-as long as the medical practitioner thinks it may be a possibility. Contrast this with Italy where they're still finding bodies.

I doubt a car crash will be regarded as a possibility though. Perhaps you may like to retract that comment.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/36ec1809442bc0125bf3ae6b3f3db619.jpg
Sturgeon is in on this plot to relegate the ‘Famous’ as well now.
They are like the Tiger King ranting about that ‘bitch Carol Baskin’.


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[Keith_M]

Can you please stop the squabbling and get back to laughing at Hearts.


Thanks


:na na:

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/36ec1809442bc0125bf3ae6b3f3db619.jpg
Sturgeon is in on this plot to relegate the ‘Famous’ as well now.
They are like the Tiger King ranting about that ‘bitch Carol Baskin’.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's almost as if Sturgeon scored a couple of goals for Hamilton at the wee ground before popping up with a winner for St Mirren against rock bottom Hearts a few weeks later.

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[Simkin911]

Maybe highly insensitive but do insurance companies pay out on life cover . Is pendamics excluded.

Yes. They will pay out. Assuming it’s a valid claim otherwise.

Individual life policies are unlikely to have a suitable pandemic clause. Where they do it’s a brave company that invokes it.

[WoreTheGreen]

Yes. Assuming it’s a valid claim otherwise.

Thanks just wondering if these insurance companies would try anything not to pay out for anyone unfortunately who has to claim

[Keith_M]

Maybe highly insensitive but do insurance companies pay out on life cover . Is pendamics excluded.




Yes. Assuming it’s a valid claim otherwise.


Only if there was such a thing as a pendamic.





:wink:

[Simkin911]

Thanks just wondering if these insurance companies would try anything not to pay out for anyone unfortunately who has to claim

Genuinely, the life insurance industry pays most claims submitted. Something like 98%. Death claims aren’t usually problematic.

[theonlywayisup]

Hearts will have to vote as a championship club and Dundee Utd as a premiership team. Can’t see Utd voting for reconstruction when they’ve just came up.


I've seen this comment a few times. Is there any truth in it?

[malcolm]

The ONS, and the Records of Scotland figures are not estimates or guesses but hard data taken from the certified causes of death (edit including contibutory factors) on a death certificate. As for you facecious remark about road deaths and corona virus have a word with your self instead of making it up about contributory conditions.

There will be an element of guesswork in the certification of death as indeed there can always have been where no post full Mortem is carried out or it has been a ‘view and grant.’ So if a GP thinks there have been symptoms of the virus they may believe to the best of their knowledge and judgement that it has been a factor in a death and so will put this on the death certificate. For example perhaps up to now I think it unlikely that there would be any post Mortem testing for deaths in care homes - no swab no test just leaves clinical judgement. Without diagnostic proof the addition of Covid 19 on a death certificate outside tested patients in hospital must inevitably mean an element of guesswork but not an unreasonable approach.

[theonlywayisup]

Cheerio

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5522756/uefa-spfl-power-celtic-champions-hearts-relegated/

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Bye Bye!

[Green Badger]

Are they doon yet?

:na na:

[Hibs4185]

I've seen this comment a few times. Is there any truth in it?

It was just my opinion but there were stories in the press about this possibility last week.

[Lago]

No, just adding 2 official statistics together.
If only it was that easy to generate statistics.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/36ec1809442bc0125bf3ae6b3f3db619.jpg
Sturgeon is in on this plot to relegate the ‘Famous’ as well now.
They are like the Tiger King ranting about that ‘bitch Carol Baskin’.


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The tin-foil hats are out in force over there. And the boy can't spell UEFA... :greengrin

[CMurdoch]

This is Whitty who, along with Johnson & Hancock failed to take his own advice & caught the virus. This is Whitty who either proposed or was complicit in our herd immunity strategy which has resulted in us having the highest # of deaths outside the USA. He's now gone full about turn in an effort to restore his credibility & all he's doing is destroying hope.

Countries deaths per million of population are an interesting stat.
Our European neighbours:
Belgium 560, Spain 474, Italy 423, France 335, UK 276, Netherlands 244 and Sweden 200.
USA State stats:
New York State an eye watering 1,060, New Jersey 604, Connecticut 431, Louisiana 343, Massachusetts 319, Michigan 299

Obviously numbers are recorded differently in different countries. What is obvious is that lots of the rich Western European countries were unprepared for the pandemic but because we are rich a degree of control has been gained and daily Covid 19 death numbers are now reducing.

Sadly there will be carnage among the poor of Asia & Africa and the recording of numbers, tests and other 1st World issues will be lost in their helpless misery.
Ecuador is currently showing 560 deaths from Covid 19 but as the following BBC link from 6 days ago shows that is only the tip of the iceberg of death and any discrepancy in our Covid death numbers is nothing in comparison:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52324218

[Callum_62]

Countries deaths per million of population are an interesting stat.
Our European neighbours:
Belgium 560, Spain 474, Italy 423, France 335, UK 276, Netherlands 244 and Sweden 200.
USA State stats:
New York State an eye watering 1,060, New Jersey 604, Connecticut 431, Louisiana 343, Massachusetts 319, Michigan 299

Obviously numbers are recorded differently in different countries. What is obvious is that lots of the rich Western European countries were unprepared for the pandemic but because we are rich a degree of control has been gained and daily Covid 19 death numbers are now reducing.

Sadly there will be carnage among the poor of Asia & Africa and the recording of numbers, tests and other 1st World issues will be lost in their helpless misery.
Ecuador is currently showing 560 deaths from Covid 19 but as the following BBC link from 6 days ago shows that is only the tip of the iceberg of death and any discrepancy in our Covid death numbers is nothing in comparison:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-52324218Are all counties only reporting hospital deaths?

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[CMurdoch]

Are all counties only reporting hospital deaths?

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Each country makes their own decisions on how to compile numbers.
It's obviously easier to get hospital numbers accurately every day.

New York state is carnage.
The governor Andrew Cuomo could be forgiven for reigning blows down on Trump until he is pulled off him, next time they meet.
Trump should have poured massive resources in to there and New Jersey.

[jacomo]

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Bye Bye!


AB: ‘Hiss! Daniel! That is honking! I’ve told you not to have currywurst and beer before these press conferences! How can I be at my fragrant best with your arse bombs stinking the place out?’
DS: ‘I believe you Britisher have the saying: she who smelt it is the one who dealt it, no?!’

[greenginger]

The
Are all counties only reporting hospital deaths?

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Belgium is recording all deaths with links the virus. That’s why they appear to be hardest hit country.

[007]

It's almost as if Sturgeon scored a couple of goals for Hamilton at the wee ground before popping up with a winner for St Mirren against rock bottom Hearts a few weeks later.

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She looks like she could be Gordon Strachan's wee sister right enough.

[jacomo]

Each country makes their own decisions on how to compile numbers.
It's obviously easier to get hospital numbers accurately every day.

New York state is carnage.
The governor Andrew Cuomo could be forgiven for reigning blows down on Trump until he is pulled off him, next time they meet.
Trump should have poured massive resources in to there and New Jersey.


In the absence of a concerted effort from federal government (which it is designed to do in national emergencies like these) then each state has to fend for itself.

America votes against hated ‘big government’ and the result is playing out before us.

[G B Young]

Your rudeness is equalled by your ignorance.In fact one of the current guidelines allows "presumed to be covid19" to be entered on a certificate when their is no confirmation that that is the cause.

That's correct:

In Scotland, guidance has clarified that for the purposes of completing an MCCD (form 11) related to COVID-19:


the terms COVID-19 disease and SARS-CoV-2 infection are acceptable
if the disease is suspected but not confirmed, you may write: 'Presumed COVID-19 disease' on the MCCD
in both cases, the hazards box on the form must be ticked and the public health department informed.

[PatHead]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/webimg/b25lY21zOmRiNDQ0NmE4LWFiN2EtNDc2MC1iMjMyLTgwZjU3Mm U4MWRiOTozMTU5YmZjYy1iOWQ3LTRkZGMtYjQzZS1iZGU4ZDA1 NzRlNTI=.jpg?width=640

Bye Bye!
As the pubs aren't opening for the foreseeable, he won't be back.

[brog]

[QUOTE=CMurdoch;6152421]Each country makes their own decisions on how to compile numbers.
It's obviously easier to get hospital numbers accurately every day.

That's correct but currently I believe only UK & Spain out of Western countries you mentioned in your interesting analysis are counting hospital deaths only. AS GG mentions Belgium's stats are most accurate & so death rate appears highest.

Please forgive me sharing a personal story with you but it may help explain why I've posted a few times on this subject.

One month ago today I lost a close relative, & an even better friend to this awful virus. He was a larger than life character & his passing has left a huge hole in many of our lives. He died in hospital so he will have been included in the official infection/death figures. However, his cohabiting wife who initially was more seriously ill than him & displayed all the signs of Covid19, has never been tested & therefore does not appear in any official statistic. Incredibly neither have his 2 children, both of whom also appeared to be infected, been tested. They remain in limbo, uncertain of their status as potential carriers. You may understand my scepticism about official figures.
My relative came home from a cruise in February & attended an EPL game on March 7, a few days before he 1st showed obvious signs of illness. He could potentially have passed the virus on to many others. Matt Hancock said yesterday that "Trace, Track & Test could help us exit lockdown earlier" but we previously abandoned that policy just at the time my relative became infected. That was about 6-7 weeks ago & there has as yet been no official contact to try & achieve any of the 3 T's listed above. Again, please forgive my scepticism.
Although I remain angry & upset I'm genuinely not in the blame game & I'm sure there are many people in Govt who are working extremely hard to get us out of this mess. However I'll find it easier to support them if they, 1, Own up to & apologise for errors previously made & 2, Stop spinning & start being completely honest with us going forward.
I should say I live in London & my comments refer to the UK Govt.
Thank you & stay safe.

[CMurdoch]

[QUOTE=CMurdoch;6152421]Each country makes their own decisions on how to compile numbers.
It's obviously easier to get hospital numbers accurately every day.

That's correct but currently I believe only UK & Spain out of Western countries you mentioned in your interesting analysis are counting hospital deaths only. AS GG mentions Belgium's stats are most accurate & so death rate appears highest.

Please forgive me sharing a personal story with you but it may help explain why I've posted a few times on this subject.

One month ago today I lost a close relative, & an even better friend to this awful virus. He was a larger than life character & his passing has left a huge hole in many of our lives. He died in hospital so he will have been included in the official infection/death figures. However, his cohabiting wife who initially was more seriously ill than him & displayed all the signs of Covid19, has never been tested & therefore does not appear in any official statistic. Incredibly neither have his 2 children, both of whom also appeared to be infected, been tested. They remain in limbo, uncertain of their status as potential carriers. You may understand my scepticism about official figures.
My relative came home from a cruise in February & attended an EPL game on March 7, a few days before he 1st showed obvious signs of illness. He could potentially have passed the virus on to many others. Matt Hancock said yesterday that "Trace, Track & Test could help us exit lockdown earlier" but we previously abandoned that policy just at the time my relative became infected. That was about 6-7 weeks ago & there has as yet been no official contact to try & achieve any of the 3 T's listed above. Again, please forgive my scepticism.
Although I remain angry & upset I'm genuinely not in the blame game & I'm sure there are many people in Govt who are working extremely hard to get us out of this mess. However I'll find it easier to support them if they, 1, Own up to & apologise for errors previously made & 2, Stop spinning & start being completely honest with us going forward.
I should say I live in London & my comments refer to the UK Govt.
Thank you & stay safe.

Brog, i'm truly sorry to hear about the loss of your friend and your close relative.
Your a good guy on here and i'm sure all the other posters understand where your coming from on this.
Everyone of us is going to see this disaster through the prism of how it affects our own lives and those of our loved ones and I don't want to add to your pain by arguing with you. Sadly the government and the people of a capitalist society like ours seem to value the economy ahead of the lives of our fellow citizens hence rich Western European governments were reluctant and thus too slow to lock down resulting in many unnecessary deaths. Similarly there is now a clamber from a lot of people to get life "back to normal" again despite the evidence & obvious risks. Sadly we seem to value money, wealth and ourselves over life. It's a sad indictment.
Best wishes to you Brog

[brog]

[QUOTE=brog;6152725]

Brog, i'm truly sorry to hear about the loss of your friend and your close relative.
Your a good guy on here and i'm sure all the other posters understand where your coming from on this.
Everyone of us is going to see this disaster through the prism of how it affects our own lives and those of our loved ones and I don't want to add to your pain by arguing with you. Sadly the government and the people of a capitalist society like ours seem to value the economy ahead of the lives of our fellow citizens hence rich Western European governments were reluctant and thus too slow to lock down resulting in many unnecessary deaths. Similarly there is now a clamber from a lot of people to get life "back to normal" again despite the evidence & obvious risks. Sadly we seem to value money, wealth and ourselves over life. It's a sad indictment.
Best wishes to you Brog

[brog]

[QUOTE=CMurdoch;6152792]
Much appreciated, thanks!

[snedzuk]

[QUOTE=brog;6152725]

Brog, i'm truly sorry to hear about the loss of your friend and your close relative.
Your a good guy on here and i'm sure all the other posters understand where your coming from on this.
Everyone of us is going to see this disaster through the prism of how it affects our own lives and those of our loved ones and I don't want to add to your pain by arguing with you. Sadly the government and the people of a capitalist society like ours seem to value the economy ahead of the lives of our fellow citizens hence rich Western European governments were reluctant and thus too slow to lock down resulting in many unnecessary deaths. Similarly there is now a clamber from a lot of people to get life "back to normal" again despite the evidence & obvious risks. Sadly we seem to value money, wealth and ourselves over life. It's a sad indictment.
Best wishes to you Brog

Mind you, if it wasnt for a rich Western European government there wouldnt be an NHS. No country has improved its populations health by making itself poorer, which is what were doing right now.

[calumhibee1]

BREAKING! Deloitte reveal independent inquiry into #SPFL voting

'Deloitte's examination of phone records, mobile communications (including texts), & email data has identified no evidence of improper behaviour by SPFL personnel concerning the submission of the Dundee FC vote'

[Since452]

BREAKING! Deloitte reveal independent inquiry into #SPFL voting

'Deloitte's examination of phone records, mobile communications (including texts), & email data has identified no evidence of improper behaviour by SPFL personnel concerning the submission of the Dundee FC vote'

How can that be? Rangers said they had evidence?

[Kaiser1962]

BREAKING! Deloitte reveal independent inquiry into #SPFL voting

'Deloitte's examination of phone records, mobile communications (including texts), & email data has identified no evidence of improper behaviour by SPFL personnel concerning the submission of the Dundee FC vote'

That'll calm everybody down then.....

[brog]

How can that be? Rangers said they had evidence?

Their evidence consists of Scott Gardiner telling stories to try & blag his way into a job with them!

[danhibees1875]

How can that be? Rangers said they had evidence?

Clearly Deloitte are the most Catholic of the big 4.

The rangers should conduct the investigation themselves to ensure impartiality.

[Since452]

Clearly Deloitte are the most Catholic of the big 4.

The rangers should conduct the investigation themselves to ensure impartiality.

They are all tarriers the lot of them. The Bears will rise above it

[RoYO!]

The rangers should be done for bringing the game into disrepute.

Utter lies and mud slinging. Appalling behaviour.

See if/when we reconstruct can we just not have them back please?!

[Billy Whizz]

Clearly Deloitte are the most Catholic of the big 4.

The rangers should conduct the investigation themselves to ensure impartiality.

Not sure about that, but don’t think they’ll be doing The Rangers accounts, anytime soon

[007]

Rangers have therefore brought the game into disrepute. Hefty fine required.

[berwickhibee]

Not surprising.

Sevco are the **** of the earth.

Lowest of the lows.

But sure they will soon sink to new depths, its in them.

[Smartie]

The rangers should be done for bringing the game into disrepute.

Utter lies and mud slinging. Appalling behaviour.

See if/when we reconstruct can we just not have them back please?!

They should, and until they are they are going to continue to pull stunts like this time after time.

[Billy Whizz]

Dutch season ended, no champions and no relegation. Team at top of next division not promoted, and expected to take legal action against the league

https://twitter.com/footballoranje_/status/1253715037572804608?s=21