SPFL The vote

[Waxy]

Dundee your having a laugh. Trying to get things you dont deserve out of this.

[Since90+2]

1 .... OK .. Percentages work on your side of the argument, but I still don't see how two down from a 12 team league compared to 3 down from a 14 team league means you have 'more' chance of being relegated ... the first leaves 10 teams behind, the second leaves 11 teams behind .. If a future dictator of Scotland wanted to shoot 3 people I would rather be one of 14 potential victims than 12.

2 .... In order to keep the league reasonably strong, but also maximise the number of clubs we can have in it, a split makes sense in order to give a reasonable amount of fixtures. IMO the split has never been a problem. What has made it ridiculous is the unequal way we play fixtures to decide the top 6 ... this way that is done away with at a stroke. We have tried a 10 team league and it ended up boring the tits off everybody and nobody seriously thinks a 20 team league is viable, especially on the TV revenue front, which like it or not will never be endangered by any club. At least not to the degree a 20 team league would.

3 .... I agree we probably would have a few yo yo clubs ... but better that than just being stuck in the championship for years, a POV I'm sure any Dunfermline or Partick Thistle fan would agree with.

4 .... Once again I don't disagree ... But that option has been available for years and never taken. League reconstruction would give the opportunity to look at every aspect of the game, including the play off system .. at the moment the premiership clubs are happy with it coz it favours them and they know going down could be a long term disaster. With more chance of bouncing straight back perhaps they could be persuaded to look at things again ... I would lay dollars to donuts that the championship would be all for it. ...... Once again its a fans v clubs debate, from my POV as a fan my idea for the play offs would be far more entertaining than the current one ... which I don't deny has still had its moments.

5 .... I've already conceded that point to Ozyhibby.

6 .... Its just my perception of it ... I don't expect everybody to agree.

7 .... This one is once again just about perception .... I simply think it would feel a bit more spaced out and as I said, 13 different clubs coming to ER wont just feel like more variety, it obviously will be more variety.

As for reconstruction being 'rushed through' .... My take on it is so what? ... history is stuffed with changes to 'aye been' or the status quo that were forced on people or organisations by exceptional circumstances that ended up with them saying, why didn't we do this ages ago?

Whatever happens at least my desire for reconstruction has been long held and though in this instance it would indeed benefit Hearts, at least I'm honest enough to not change my opinion because of that. It seems to me there's a lot of folk discussing this issue whose opinion on it would have been very different if Hearts weren't part of the equation. They may see that as reason enough .... I simply can't.

Point 1 clearly shows that you are more likely to get relegated in the 14 team scenario. Going on about dictators and people being shot doesn't change the fact that relegation is more likely.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.

[The Harp Awakes]

Copy of their statement

Good afternoon Dundee fans. I hope this statement continues to find you safe and healthy as we continue to be quarantined in our fight against the Covid-19 virus. The past week has been fraught with anxiety, vitriol, conspiracy theory, and of course a far ranging amount of media conjecture and commentary. Below is a brief enlightenment of our thoughts and processes over the past week.

Impact of the SPFL resolution: Relegated clubs were negatively impacted in two substantial ways: the lost opportunity to avoid relegation, and the lost opportunity for financial support. As we previously stated, the end of the season due to the COVID-19 epidemic should not result in any club being worse off than they were prior to vote. In our opinion the SPFL’s “solution” for the league was not a solution for all teams in the league. Knowing that most teams desperately needed cash flow before the end of April, the quickest and easiest way for the SPFL to achieve that was this proposal; however, the result was immediate inequity, and mid-to long-term instability. Understandably, that was the driving factor for a ‘yes’ vote from many clubs. Outside of clubs receiving an injection of immediate cash, this was unacceptable to us as we feel the actions of the league should be representative of all its members; detrimental impact to one club is ultimately detrimental to all clubs. Furthermore, the proposal left little prospect for league reconstruction, another significant aspect of long-term sustainability for Scottish Football. Whilst the lockdown has resulted in tremendous hardship for the country, one opportunity it has presented, in Dundee FC’s point of view, is the restructuring of the league.

Dundee FC’s vote: Because of the situation detailed above, it was our intention (as the world has seen through the disappointing and regrettable actions of two championship clubs) to vote ‘no’ on the proposed resolution. Despite being electronically submitted, for whatever reason, our vote did not reach the centre (SPFL.) We were not aware of that, however, until the SPFL published the ‘results’ of an incomplete vote and it was shown that Dundee FC’s vote was not received. This raised an immediate red flag for us; not only was our vote missing, but we discovered that at least two Premiership clubs had modified their position from the understanding we had the day prior. It was then that we decided to put our foot on the ball and pause. We conveyed that decision to the centre and ceased taking calls on the subject. We needed time to develop a clearer DFC view on the situation.

Whilst it is not our responsibility to take the lead on solutions for the league (indeed, we believe this is the role of the SPFL), it is our duty to attempt to ensure that the future of Scottish Football remains promising for all the clubs. To that end, we have worked tirelessly to achieve solutions to help those who were being disadvantaged and sought ways to help them. We have discussed options with a variety of member clubs to show solidarity to the clubs most negatively impacted by the SPFL proposal. Relegated clubs must have financial assistance to help soften the landing so they can begin the next season on more equitable footing. Through our discussions it appears that there is an appetite to provide various forms of support from other member clubs if these clubs are in fact relegated. Further details of these acts of kindness and solidarity will be worked out amongst the member clubs. Also, we are sorry to disappoint all of the conspiracy theorists by saying that we were never exposed to any ‘deals’ from either of the Glasgow giants. They both acted, as we would expect, with complete professionalism.

Additionally and most importantly for Dundee FC, we spoke to other member clubs regarding their appetite for reconstruction, as the SPFL’s briefing notes does not give us much of a chance and this is the only aspect of any proposal that helps Dundee FC in any way. There are several things that have to be in place in order to deliver a proper opportunity of achieving a better foundation for Scottish Football’s future. First, a working group should be assembled and must have members from the highest levels of Scottish Football with long-term interest in the future success of the game. We need to agree a set of goals that will be the basis of reconstruction which takes into account current and future wants and needs of media; member clubs’ financial benefits; and sporting integrity as a basis. It is our belief that after speaking to numerous clubs that the appetite for reconstruction is there and the intention is to set up an immediate and focused working group to take on this task. The centre will have to accept and support the will of the members.

We do believe the centre has made mistakes in this process, namely not taking into consideration any financial fallout to their member clubs and publishing of the incomplete ballot results, which has put Dundee FC in a position to receive criticism and undue torment. If what we achieved in our pause was presented by the SPFL in the first instance we would have voted in favour of the proposal.

We would like to thank the fans for their patience, and most of the member clubs for their cooperation and support during this time. Make no mistake, we continue to have a daunting task ahead of us, but we are encouraged by everyday acts of kindness, resolution, and humanity that we are all sharing as we get through this together. Stay safe and hope we see you soon in a newly revamped league.

They're having a pop at 2 championship clubs who said they were voting No but voted Yes - wonder who they were?

This really is just prolonging the inevitable. Whether it's 2 days, a week or 2 weeks this matter has to be settled. There is no prospect of football into much later in the year, and calling the season null and void aint going to happen as there would be sponsors looking for their money back. Reconstruction is a non-starter as well.

As time goes by the pressure will just increase on Dundee until it is intolerable.

[chrisski33]

I cant believe a silly little club can hold the rest of the leagues to ransom! Tell to bolt ****ty little club from a *****ty little back water town!

[Spike Mandela]

1 .... OK .. Percentages work on your side of the argument, but I still don't see how two down from a 12 team league compared to 3 down from a 14 team league means you have 'more' chance of being relegated ... the first leaves 10 teams behind, the second leaves 11 teams behind .. If a future dictator of Scotland wanted to shoot 3 people I would rather be one of 14 potential victims than 12.

2 .... In order to keep the league reasonably strong, but also maximise the number of clubs we can have in it, a split makes sense in order to give a reasonable amount of fixtures. IMO the split has never been a problem. What has made it ridiculous is the unequal way we play fixtures to decide the top 6 ... this way that is done away with at a stroke. We have tried a 10 team league and it ended up boring the tits off everybody and nobody seriously thinks a 20 team league is viable, especially on the TV revenue front, which like it or not will never be endangered by any club. At least not to the degree a 20 team league would.

3 .... I agree we probably would have a few yo yo clubs ... but better that than just being stuck in the championship for years, a POV I'm sure any Dunfermline or Partick Thistle fan would agree with.

4 .... Once again I don't disagree ... But that option has been available for years and never taken. League reconstruction would give the opportunity to look at every aspect of the game, including the play off system .. at the moment the premiership clubs are happy with it coz it favours them and they know going down could be a long term disaster. With more chance of bouncing straight back perhaps they could be persuaded to look at things again ... I would lay dollars to donuts that the championship would be all for it. ...... Once again its a fans v clubs debate, from my POV as a fan my idea for the play offs would be far more entertaining than the current one ... which I don't deny has still had its moments.

5 .... I've already conceded that point to Ozyhibby.

6 .... Its just my perception of it ... I don't expect everybody to agree.

7 .... This one is once again just about perception .... I simply think it would feel a bit more spaced out and as I said, 13 different clubs coming to ER wont just feel like more variety, it obviously will be more variety.

As for reconstruction being 'rushed through' .... My take on it is so what? ... history is stuffed with changes to 'aye been' or the status quo that were forced on people or organisations by exceptional circumstances that ended up with them saying, why didn't we do this ages ago?

Whatever happens at least my desire for reconstruction has been long held and though in this instance it would indeed benefit Hearts, at least I'm honest enough to not change my opinion because of that. It seems to me there's a lot of folk discussing this issue whose opinion on it would have been very different if Hearts weren't part of the equation. They may see that as reason enough .... I simply can't.

So you are reconstruction at all costs I on consideration of the matter think no, not for me at this time. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree Nooks.

[The Spaceman]

This is the only shred of relevance they are ever going to have in Scottish Football for the rest of time going forward. Absolutely insane that such a pishy little club is holding everyone else to ransom.

[brog]

They're having a pop at 2 championship clubs who said they were voting No but voted Yes - wonder who they were?

This really is just prolonging the inevitable. Whether it's 2 days, a week or 2 weeks this matter has to be settled. There is no prospect of football into much later in the year, and calling the season null and void aint going to happen as there would be sponsors looking for their money back. Reconstruction is a non-starter as well.

As time goes by the pressure will just increase on Dundee until it is intolerable.

I don't think theyre talking about clubs changing their vote. I think they're talking & complaining about the 2 clubs who openly revealed that Dundee were voting No. ICT & Partick IIRC.

[NAE NOOKIE]

So you are reconstruction at all costs I on consideration of the matter think no, not for me at this time. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree Nooks.

Not at all costs mate, if I thought any idea put forward was the wrong model I would be against it. I'm fine with folk disagreeing with me, if everybody agreed what a boring place this would be :greengrin

[greenginger]

The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.


I’d second that proposal :aok:

[Keith_M]

Not at all costs mate, if I thought any idea put forward was the wrong model I would be against it. I'm fine with folk disagreeing with me, if everybody agreed what a boring place this would be :greengrin


No it widnae!

[NAE NOOKIE]

No it widnae!

:greengrin

[The Baldmans Comb]

That club are totally without shame and are now presenting themselves as some paragon of virtue as well as subtly moving the goalposts towards reconstruction.

Self important and revelling in their fame and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

They are playing their only card amazingly well which isn't actually voting Yes/No its just sitting and doing nothing as time is all on their side as they patently they don't care what anyone thinks of them.

They are forcing the SPFL to present something else and the evil bstrds will succeed.

[RoxburghHibs]

The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.

100% agree with this :top marks

[NAE NOOKIE]

"this is the only aspect of any proposal that helps Dundee FC in any way."

Absolute tossers. It's not about getting what's best for you.

Hibs voted for something that doesn't help us directly in any way at all.

Yer kiddin' mate ... That's exactly what its about. Which is exactly why what Hibs did stands out and why it would be applauded if it wasn't for the fact that everybody is so absorbed in their own self interest they are too busy to notice or acknowledge it.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The ultimate winners in reconstructing the leagues will be all the loosers this season. The Huns, the wee Huns, ICT, Dundee FFS. Feel sorry for Partick right enough.

For this reason alone we need to ensure we vote against reconstruction. Any other outcome will be a great result for the underhand, skulduggery of the minority clubs.

[Onion]

Is this a new statement from Dundee or yesterday’s one?

They’re starting to make fools of themselves and boring everyone else to tears in the process.

Can guarantee that's not the emotion they're generating within the SPFL Board or among the 85% who voted to end the season.

Dundee's manufactured, self-appointed, lead role as power broker for the future of the game will be infuriating the authorities and most clubs who voted in good faith - some for the good of the game despite it costing them £££. All Dundee are doing is Hearts and Sevco's bidding, and they will regret that in years to come.

Horrible opportunists.

[GreenCastle]

The ultimate winners in reconstructing the leagues will be all the loosers this season. The Huns, the wee Huns, ICT, Dundee FFS. Feel sorry for Partick right enough.

For this reason alone we need to ensure we vote against reconstruction. Any other outcome will be a great result for the underhand, skulduggery of the minority clubs.

Right now majority of statements are coming from the minority who are unhappy.

If reconstruction plans start to happen except many other clubs to pipe up.

I can see Dundee waiting longer to see what’s on offer and making clubs sweat - basically screwing up clubs even further.

Anyway this isn’t a 50:50 close vote - majority voted for something and minority are just getting there views in to show their supporters they at least tried.

[BILLYHIBS]

Dundee should be told just to stick to what they were asked to vote on

Is it a yes or is it a no?

Reconstruction is an entirely different matter and is for another day if at all

[Joe6-2]

Right now majority of statements are coming from the minority who are unhappy.

If reconstruction plans start to happen except many other clubs to pipe up.

I can see Dundee waiting longer to see what’s on offer and making clubs sweat - basically screwing up clubs even further.

Anyway this isn’t a 50:50 close vote - majority voted for something and monitory are just getting there views in to show their supporters they at least tried.

Don’t know if it would make any difference, but maybe the majority should speak up!
We keep repeatedly hearing from the minority, shut them up!

[munchar]

Just fail the proposal - why give one club so much power?

Dundee should be told to bolt! They will soon put out a statement saying due to the weight of clubs nearing liquidation, they have been forced to vote yes! If people want reconstruction, it will have to happen the season after next. All teams struggling to avoid relegation are unfortunate, but have nobody to blame but themselves. Especially teams like Hearts who have once again been trying to buy success. After 30 games, all teams who are bottom have shown no signs of improvement. Time to finish & let everyone move on & regroup.

[DC_Hibs]

I cant believe a silly little club can hold the rest of the leagues to ransom! Tell to bolt ****ty little club from a *****ty little back water town!

What are you slavering about?
That nonsense would be more suited to folllowfollow or the Celtc equivalent.

[Onion]

Dundee seem to be attempting to alter the proposal in the middle of the voting process (or right at the end). They want to base their vote on an altered proposal while every other club in Scotland has based their votes on the proposal that was put to them.

Shameless opportunism.

The SPFL should declare Dundee's vote as a NO and the Resolution as failed.

They should also seek to remove the 28 day voting rule to avoid any similar "stunts" in future. The voting system as it stands makes the authorities and all the clubs look like a bunch of idiots. You cannot have clubs holding out to the last minute, so they can hijack the process. Ridiculous situation.

Once the dust has settled, Try again.

[scoopyboy]

There is a meeting tonight at 5pm seemingly.

They should tell Dundee they have 24 hours max to cast their vote on what everyone else voted on.

Then charge them with bringing the game into disrepute.

[Newry Hibs]

Any future votes should be kept secret until all the votes are in. And if you give a deadline, then stick to it - none of this 'by Friday - but you can have another 28 days' nonsense. The deadline is the '28th' day.

[green with envy]

What are you slavering about?
That nonsense would be more suited to folllowfollow or the Celtc equivalent.

Exactly. A poster that is probably enjoying the time off school I'd imagine.

[KingPat4]

Quite simply, Dundee are using blackmail in an attempt at league reconstruction.

[munchar]

Any future votes should be kept secret until all the votes are in. And if you give a deadline, then stick to it - none of this 'by Friday - but you can have another 28 days' nonsense. The deadline is the '28th' day.

All probably highly paid for the decisions their making. Dundee are out of order for trying to take advantage of the situation, & are playing a dangerous game. Every day is crucial for some clubs needing payments, but this deadline that isn’t a deadline? Wtf is that about. Dundee are not breaking any rules, it’s the rules that are also out of order.

[The 90+2]

Any future votes should be kept secret until all the votes are in. And if you give a deadline, then stick to it - none of this 'by Friday - but you can have another 28 days' nonsense. The deadline is the '28th' day.

Clubs shouldn’t be able to form packs and message each other in wee groups trying to convince others to do the same either.

[Kojock]

Quite simply, Dundee are using blackmail in an attempt at league reconstruction.

They should be careful what they wish for. It wouldn’t surprise me if the SPFL said ok to reconstruction keeping Hear7s in the Spl and promoting Utd and ICT leaving Dundee to flounder in the championship. That would leave them with no big pay days from United or Hear7s

[EI255]

How will reconstruction help Dundee? There’s no way they’ll get promoted. Best they can hope for is 2 up & Hearts stay up, will make it easier for them next season. If they take much longer, some clubs will go bust, & UEFA may end the season anyway.Every single person in Scotland, bar the Hundesliga fans, will want Dundee to fail in future. To be honest, no matter what they do now they've lost just about all friends in the Scottish football community (bar the Hundesliga outfits).

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[Joe6-2]

Every single person in Scotland, bar the Hundesliga fans, will want Dundee to fail in future. To be honest, no matter what they do now they've lost just about all friends in the Scottish football community (bar the Hundesliga outfits).

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And I’d watch my back with those two as friends!

[munchar]

Every single person in Scotland, bar the Hundesliga fans, will want Dundee to fail in future. To be honest, no matter what they do now they've lost just about all friends in the Scottish football community (bar the Hundesliga outfits).

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Can’t believe successful businessmen running the club can’t see this. They’ve also shafted Caley & Partick, although their let’s all vote no what’s app group was also embarrassing.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

They should be careful what they wish for. It wouldn’t surprise me if the SPFL said ok to reconstruction keeping Hear7s in the Spl and promoting Utd and ICT leaving Dundee to flounder in the championship. That would leave them with no big pay days from United or Hear7s

But it would also make the league less competitive so promotion becomes more of a reality for them.

[blackpoolhibs]

There is a meeting tonight at 5pm seemingly.

They should tell Dundee they have 24 hours max to cast their vote on what everyone else voted on.

Then charge them with bringing the game into disrepute.

Wouldn't imagine they could do that without a change in the rules, the daft rules state they have 28 days to make their vote, how stupid is that?

As daft as it is, they are doing nothing wrong. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Dundee have finally reached a deal with the SPFL.


The league will be declared finished as of tomorrow and Dundee are to be announced as Premiership Champions, their first League title since 1962.


The Kerrydale St and Follow Follow websites have gone into meltdown....

[The 90+2]

Can’t believe successful businessmen running the club can’t see this. They’ve also shafted Caley & Partick, although their let’s all vote no what’s app group was also embarrassing.

They’ve not shafted anyone at all. The group trying to blackmail clubs to vote against the proposal was/is embarrassing though.

[munchar]

They’ve not shafted anyone at all. The group trying to blackmail clubs to vote against the proposal was/is embarrassing though.

Did the 3 of them not conspire together to all vote No together? There was no conversation saying they changed their minds before voting, so even though it’s Karma for Caley, they still shafted them.

[steviehibsleith]

[QUOTE= Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby:
The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.

Totally agree that’s the best reconstruction idea I have seen get it sent to the idiots for tonight’s meeting. See if Dundee really have been telling the truth about best option and unfair on Partick and Loland leagues

[munchar]

[QUOTE= Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby:
The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.

Totally agree that’s the best reconstruction idea I have seen get it sent to the idiots for tonight’s meeting. See if Dundee really have been telling the truth about best option and unfair on Partick and Loland leagues

So the only team in Scotland relegated would be Hearts? Although that would be highly amusing, integrity wise, it can’t be done.

[chrisski33]

What are you slavering about?
That nonsense would be more suited to folllowfollow or the Celtc equivalent.

The club dundee. Id your happy they seem to be taking the piss go follow their forum as for followfollow or the celtic equivalent i wouldnt know as wouldnt venture onto their forums.

[lucky]

You can’t change the voting rules in the middle of a vote. Dundee, as pathetic as they are behaving, are actually within their rights to do this. The 28 day rule was brought in to allow clubs to consult with their boards/shareholders/fans on the big issues. It was the SPFL board that wanted votes in ASAP to allow them to distribute the prize money. No Premiership team was getting paid out at this stage, that’s why Rangers wanted the money paid to all with no decision made on titles or relegation.

I think Thistle may have a point on the issue of Dundee withdrawing their vote. I don’t know if that’s aloud under SPFL rules. I’ve certainly never encountered a situation where any person or organisation can withdraw their vote after it’s been cast. If this is not clear in SPLF rules then there could be a legal challenge on the outcome of the vote.

Scottish football has got itself in a mess yet again. Too many clubs vote in their own self interest. The whole voting system needs looked at. It should a straight majority not setting fresh holds.

[SHODAN]

I cant believe a silly little club can hold the rest of the leagues to ransom! Tell to bolt ****ty little club from a *****ty little back water town!

Thanks mate. :aok:

[Andy74]

You can’t change the voting rules in the middle of a vote. Dundee, as pathetic as they are behaving, are actually within their rights to do this. The 28 day rule was brought in to allow clubs to consult with their boards/shareholders/fans on the big issues. It was the SPFL board that wanted votes in ASAP to allow them to distribute the prize money. No Premiership team was getting paid out at this stage, that’s why Rangers wanted the money paid to all with no decision made on titles or relegation.

I think Thistle may have a point on the issue of Dundee withdrawing their vote. I don’t know if that’s aloud under SPFL rules. I’ve certainly never encountered a situation where any person or organisation can withdraw their vote after it’s been cast. If this is not clear in SPLF rules then there could be a legal challenge on the outcome of the vote.

Scottish football has got itself in a mess yet again. Too many clubs vote in their own self interest. The whole voting system needs looked at. It should a straight majority not setting fresh holds.

For votes at AGMs of major companies for example, if you put your vote in you can change it up to the point the vote is closed.

[munchar]

For votes at AGMs of major companies for example, if you put your vote in you can change it up to the point the vote is closed.

Surely the vote should be if no vote received its taken as an agreement to proposal? If you have 28 days to change mind also, what was the point in announcing just now?

[Curly1875]

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[GonzoReturns]

The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.


The simplistic and fairest solution but too sensible.

[The 90+2]

Did the 3 of them not conspire together to all vote No together? There was no conversation saying they changed their minds before voting, so even though it’s Karma for Caley, they still shafted them.

It shouldn’t be allowed to discuss the voting and trying to influence others. For all we know Calley and Partick put massive pressure on Dundee (I don’t think so) constantly asking them if they are still voting that way etc. Inverness and Partick have more to lose than Dundee, that’s for sure. Not even getting into Budges wee phone calls round the shops.

[grunt]

O:agree:

[jacomo]

[QUOTE= Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby:]
The priority, if any, for reconstruction is not in the top league but in the Championship because of the true injustice Partick feel. No matter how they spin it Hearts have been the worst performing team in the top flight for over a year despite their huge budget compared to others in the bottom 6 so they deserve sympathy but no favours.

I've said before and I'll say again that this empasse would be unblocked immediately by extending the Championship to 12 teams mirroring the Premiership.

Why? Because Partick and Stranraer would not be relegate. Raith and Falkirk would be promoted as would Cove and Edin City allowing Brora and Kelty up through the pyramid without Brechin going down.

It nullifies the Dundee ransom and isolates the Ugliest ugly and their diet immitators and saves clubs from admin or liquidation(except maybes the afore mentioned)

The SPFL should just withdraw the current proposition and submit the above and by noon tomorrow the issue is resolved.

Totally agree that’s the best reconstruction idea I have seen get it sent to the idiots for tonight’s meeting. See if Dundee really have been telling the truth about best option and unfair on Partick and Loland leagues


Partick Thistle have been the worst team in the Championship this season.

Yes they have a game in hand but there is little to suggest they would finish above bottom. On an average points-per-game basis, they are the worst.

This applies to Hearts as well: it is harsh to deny them their opportunity to get out of trouble, because that’s what sporting competition should be about. But, in the circumstances, it’s not unfair.

[Rumble de Thump]

The SPFL should just make a decision as they are apparently entitled to do. They probably did the right thing in allowing clubs to vote but Dundee has made a dog's dinner of it. Sitting around waiting on them to vote while they take their time trying to blackmail clubs shouldn't be allowed to continue.

[weecounty hibby]

What stops the Hun telling Dundee that they will pay £1m for one of their players and then loan him back for three years as long as they vote the way the Hun want? Dundee get £1m and don't lose a player and the Hun get the vote they were looking for. It has just been made so messy and open to corruption now. Yeah I know the Hun probably don't have £1m but I'm sure they will do all they can to stop 10 in a row

[jacomo]

What stops the Hun telling Dundee that they will pay £1m for one of their players and then loan him back for three years as long as they vote the way the Hun want? Dundee get £1m and don't lose a player and the Hun get the vote they were looking for. It has just been made so messy and open to corruption now. Yeah I know the Hun probably don't have £1m but I'm sure they will do all they can to stop 10 in a row


I’m not sure how Sevco can stop Celtc being given this years title.

They seem compelled to make a show for their fans but that’s all it is. Their position is preposterous.

[lord bunberry]

O
When you put it like that I have to agree.

[weecounty hibby]

I’m not sure how Sevco can stop Celtc being given this years title.

They seem compelled to make a show for their fans but that’s all it is. Their position is preposterous.

I agree and the example is probably extreme, although you never know with the Hun, but it just shows how murky this could get and how wide open Dundee and the league have left themselves. Dundee will be pariahs from now on no matter which club you support

[Real Emerald]

I’m not sure how Sevco can stop Celtc being given this years title.

They seem compelled to make a show for their fans but that’s all it is. Their position is preposterous.

It’s so they can forever say it was a non title. They know they won’t stop it but the more fuss they make, the greater the noise and anger they create is so they have evidence of the massive shambles and injustice it all is (in their eyes). It’s actually a massive bonus and get out of jail card for them as they now won’t have to suffer Celtic winning another title this year on the park which they would have and also have a way to dismiss it for evermore. It’s shocking behaviour from them, I could understand it if they were a point behind but this is just the usual bitter hatred they thrive on.

[Waxy]

Shocking that Dundee have put themselves on a position of gain just by being the last to vote.
They should be given 24 hours and if found to take any bribe should be demoted to the eos league.

[hibbyfraelibby]

[QUOTE=steviehibsleith;6144459]


Partick Thistle have been the worst team in the Championship this season.

Yes they have a game in hand but there is little to suggest they would finish above bottom. On an average points-per-game basis, they are the worst.

This applies to Hearts as well: it is harsh to deny them their opportunity to get out of trouble, because that’s what sporting competition should be about. But, in the circumstances, it’s not unfair.

The difference between Hearts and Partick is that Thistle have played one game less than 2nd bottom and could overtake second bottom if the game is won whereas Hearts have played the same number of games as Hamilton and are 4pts adrift...only Brechin make them look anything better than the worst performing side in Scotland.

Someone is going to have to suffer in this crisis. Lets minimise it. If that means you sacrafice Hearts for the greater good so be it.

[MrSmith]

The Rangers are absolutely pathetic! Clearly Celtic deserve this title as no one was going to catch them. Had it been The Rangers, we would be saying the same thing - award The Rangers the title. But no! The small minded, hateful, bigoted orange brigade cannot see passed their extreme prejudice against everything Celtic.

Honestly, The Rangers need eradicated from Scottish football.

[Heisenberg]

Dundee vote yes

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/1268401/dundee-fc-spfl-vote-yes-season/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[660]

Dundee vote yes

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/1268401/dundee-fc-spfl-vote-yes-season/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hertz doon hooray

[HoboHarry]

The Rangers are absolutely pathetic! Clearly Celtic deserve this title as no one was going to catch them. Had it been The Rangers, we would be saying the same thing - award The Rangers the title. But no! The small minded, hateful, bigoted orange brigade cannot see passed their extreme prejudice against everything Celtic.

Honestly, The Rangers need eradicated from Scottish football.
They have to keep their idiotic fans on board so what they are saying in public is likely very different to what they believe.....

[CloudSquall]

dundee vote yes

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/1268401/dundee-fc-spfl-vote-yes-season/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


absolute tekkers!!!!!!!

[Ozyhibby]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

yabba dabba doooooooo

[Michael]

Dundee vote yes

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/1268401/dundee-fc-spfl-vote-yes-season/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Always rated them.

[Rumble de Thump]

lol

[cabbageandribs1875]

we are hibernian fc
we hate jam terts
but we don't mind dundee, now

[Heisenberg]

I’d expect an announcement from the SPFL tonight confirming reconstruction talks to go full steam ahead. Vote on that next probably.

[WoreTheGreen]

Bingeing on curb your enthusiasm and since this news I am trying my hardest to curb mine

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Hopefully not another false dawn from Scotland’s biggest attention seekers

[Ozyhibby]

No matter what, Dundee are still attention seeking twats.


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[nonshinyfinish]

Is there an accompanying four-page statement?

[147lothian]

we are hibernian fc
we hate jam terts
but we don't mind dundee, now


:top marks

[Real Emerald]

Dundee vote yes

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/1268401/dundee-fc-spfl-vote-yes-season/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Now we have the statements to look forward to! How angry Hearts are that their name was pulled out the hat to be bottom of the league, how they would suddenly turn their form round and how unjust it is to be relegated when surely other wee clubs deserve it more!

[Box 17]

Anne will be mobilising her legal team as we speak. For her sake, hope they are better than her football team!

[CloudSquall]

Follow Follow is an absolute hoot,


"Dundee will be reviled by Scottish football clubs for years (if not generations) to come"


Yep, I can imagine my great grandchildren telling their children about those devious Dundonians :greengrin

[Real Emerald]

Anne will be mobilising her legal team as we speak. For her sake, hope they are better than her football team!

She’ll probably be mobilising her bowls....again! 😂

[660]

Follow Follow is an absolute hoot,


"Dundee will be reviled by Scottish football clubs for years (if not generations) to come"


Yep, I can imagine my great grandchildren telling their children about those devious Dundonians :greengrin

Hahaha why would they be reviled?!

[Greenworld]

Why is no one else reporting it

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[Real Emerald]

Why is no one else reporting it

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The pigeon from Dundee has yet to arrive.

[GreenCastle]

Follow Follow is an absolute hoot,


"Dundee will be reviled by Scottish football clubs for years (if not generations) to come"


Yep, I can imagine my great grandchildren telling their children about those devious Dundonians :greengrin

Gerrard will be happy the flak will be taken away from him.

[The 90+2]

Why is no one else reporting it

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Sun and record are.

Bye bye jam tarts.

[660]

Why is no one else reporting it

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The Sun is reporting it

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5496378/dundee-vote-yes-spfl-resolution-season/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586969157

[Real Emerald]

Gerrard will be happy the flak will be taken away from him.

Exactly, they couldn’t have hoped for a better outcome.

[Heisenberg]

Why is no one else reporting it

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That’s the local paper in Dundee that broke the story. I’d trust them over others tbh.

[Ozyhibby]

Why is no one else reporting it

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[Greenworld]

Sun and record are.

Bye bye jam tarts.Oh happy days are here again

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[660]

There’s a real hun love in on KB. Quite nauseating

[Greenworld]

There’s a real hun love in on KB. Quite nauseatingThe Hun wont be giving to ****s about them


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[basehibby]

Exactly. There is no suggestion out there that is an improvement.


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Wrong - Both a 7/7 and an 6/8 would be an improvement on the current set up of 6/6 - because both remove the ridiculous and often UNFAIR set up whereby clubs finish the season with uneven numbers of home and away games. Pretty much any change that would remove that embarrassing farce would be a step forward.

Now would be a good opportunity to do so while resolving this mess but I doubt it will happen - but not for any reasons that will benefit football in Scotland. We will no doubt stick with our current wonky joke of a set up for reasons of of parochial small-mindedness and self interest - some things never change!

[Peevemor]

Given that Budge has acknowledged that she doesn't know what league they'll be in next season, I reckon she knows already that reconstruction won't get enough premiership votes.

[RossScott1991]

The league will be reconstructed with Hearts staying up. Genuinely believe that, Though I don’t want to believe it !

[MrSmith]

The league will be reconstructed with Hearts staying up. Genuinely believe that, Though I don’t want to believe it !

Doubt it given the 11-1 vote structure.

[Hibeesmad]

Hearts will be relegated. In the famous words of Claude from Arsenal Fans TV "it's time to go".

[Peevemor]

Doubt it given the 11-1 vote structure.Exactly. Their tea's oot!

[Greenworld]

The league will be reconstructed with Hearts staying up. Genuinely believe that, Though I don’t want to believe it !It wont of all the times this is the worst to bring it up clubs will want to keep every penny

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[Springbank]

The league will be reconstructed with Hearts staying up. Genuinely believe that, Though I don’t want to believe it !

You're wrong
Dundee (15th in the pyramid) hold the aces & DFC need 3 up and 1 down to make it worth their while.

[MrSmith]

Yes, as in the plural of Hibby. Am I missing something?

You are a more learned man than me as I have never known 'Hibbies'? Hibees yes, Hibs yes, Hibby yes But Hibbies no. Happy to be wrong though. :flag:

[nonshinyfinish]

You're wrong
Dundee (15th in the pyramid) hold the aces & DFC need 3 up and 1 down to make it worth their while.

I think Dundee have played their one ace and now have no more influence than any other club.

[660]

11-1 vote for reconstruction isn’t happening. It’s pointless even considering it.

[Heisenberg]

‘The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model and has appointed Hearts chair Ann Budge and Hamilton Academical chair Les Gray to jointly lead a reconstruction task force.’

[Springbank]

I think Dundee have played their one ace and now have no more influence than any other club.

The time they took to vote suggests they got agreement on what came with their vote.

Either way, dfc would not vote to promote dufc and keep hearts up (at Dundee's own expense)

It's either 12 team top flight (hearts down dufc up)
or 14 team top flight (hearts down, dufc ICT dfc up)

[Hibs90]

https://www.pngfind.com/pngs/m/671-6712638_transparent-graph-arrow-png-graph-going-down-png.png

[calumhibee1]

11-1 vote for reconstruction isn’t happening. It’s pointless even considering it.

Is that definitely what it would take to get it through? As someone else said, asking clubs to give up the OF money at this point in time especially is never going to fly.

[007 Mickey Weir]

Top league won’t be be changed due to the 11-1 vote being to big to overcome. Also the options are just not any better than what we have.

The next best option is to change the championship to 12. So making Partick, Falkirk, Brechin, Edinburgh City, Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts all happy.

Just leaving our ugly neighbours as the only losers. How sweet!!

[Hibs90]

Gonna be hillarious when we find out Sevco don't actually have any evidence of bribery or whatever it is they were spouting about.

[Ozyhibby]

‘The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model and has appointed Hearts chair Ann Budge and Hamilton Academical chair Les Gray to jointly lead a reconstruction task force.’

If Budge is leading the task force then it looks like there won’t be any legal action.


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[Barney McGrew]

‘The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model and has appointed Hearts chair Ann Budge and Hamilton Academical chair Les Gray to jointly lead a reconstruction task force.’

They're going to find a way to escape it.

Unbelievable

They're like an unflushable *****

[HoboHarry]

They're going to find a way to escape it.

Unbelievavble
No they won't, for once the authorities have played a blinder. When Budge/Gray fail it will be on them and not Doncaster et al lol......

[Col2]

Appointing Budge as co chairperson for reconstruction process is genius - i expect her to take it up and therefore cut back in her angry statements. The SPFL are not stupid.

Les Gray as other chair is brilliant.

This won’t get past an 11-1 vote. I am willing to bet it won’t even get 4 or 5 teams going for it.

[Sir David Gray]

They're going to find a way to escape it.

Unbelievable

They're like an unflushable *****

Yep I now believe they won't be going down.

[Waxy]

‘The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model and has appointed Hearts chair Ann Budge and Hamilton Academical chair Les Gray to jointly lead a reconstruction task force.’

Very funny. Spfl needs 11-1 vote for reconstruction. No hapnin.

[04Sauzee]

Wait what does this mean? They aren't going down?

SPFL confirm resolution passes. "The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model." Ann Budge and Les Gray will lead a task force.

[Hibeesmad]

Hi Sky, we are going to be cutting the amount of Old Firm games next season, can we still get all that money?

[Hibs90]

Wait what does this mean? They aren't going down?

SPFL confirm resolution passes. "The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model." Ann Budge and Les Gray will lead a task force.

Just means they will consult and probably have a vote on reconstruction if/when the SPFL declare the rest of the season unplayable. Having Budge as a lead is either a clever move from the SPFL as they know there's no way reconstruction would get the votes required or a way to keep Hearts in the league.

[HoboHarry]

Just means they will consult and probably have a vote on it at somepoint. Having Budge is a clever move from the SPFL.
Fixed that for you.

[The 90+2]

Yep I now believe they won't be going down.

Why would the Hamilton chairman want reconstruction in any way? The board have played a blinder putting him in charge with Budge and here one season knot reconstruction relegating 3 next season.

[Hibeesmad]

Hi Sky, we are going to be cutting the amount of Old Firm games next season, can we still get all that money?

And just to let you know St Johnstone and co, you will only get a maximum of one visit from each Old Firm team next season.

[BroxburnHibee]

Budge in charge stinks to high heaven.

[Bostonhibby]

Anyone else wondering if Budge or the SPFL might just recognise a possible conflict of interest?

If they're resolutely not going to restructure they've played a blinder, otherwise it looks pretty amateurish to encourage her.

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[James70]

Budge as joint leader of the task force! Is that because she has done such a brilliant job at her own club (lol)) or because she is such a flaming moan? 😂

[Dibben]

Seriously though, it’s like setting up a task force to look at changing the traditional Christmas dinner and asking the Turkeys to chair it!

Unbelievable!!

[The 90+2]

Wait what does this mean? They aren't going down?

SPFL confirm resolution passes. "The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model." Ann Budge and Les Gray will lead a task force.

Lip service. There will be nothing in it for the huns now and just hearts wanting this.

[Ozyhibby]

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[HoboHarry]

Budge in charge stinks to high heaven.
Seriously? Think like a politician. They have set her up to be the one who fails to get an agreed plan.

[CropleyWasGod]

Yep I now believe they won't be going down.

How so?

They'll have to sell a new structure to 11 of the current clubs. A structure that will probably say "your income from OF games may be less next season than it is now"

[Hibs90]

Actually, they could relegate Hearts, promote DU, ICT and Dundee and go to a 14 team league next season...

Might explain why they changed their vote. However with Budge in charge of the task force..

Who knows. What a shambles.

[Sir David Gray]

How so?

They'll have to sell a new structure to 11 of the current clubs. A structure that will probably say "your income from OF games may be less next season than it is now"

Fair enough hopefully you're right. It would be unfair to relegate Partick Thistle and Stranraer but not Hearts.

I bet this wouldn't even be a discussion if St Mirren or Hamilton had been bottom.

[Ozyhibby]

Actually, they could relegate Hearts, promote DU, ICT and Dundee and go to a 14 team league next season...

Might explain why they changed their vote. However with Budge in charge of the task force..

Who knows. What a shambles.

That won’t be on the table with Budge presenting the proposal.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

it's truly bizarre putting this budge woman in charge of ANY type of construction


thank goodness it's april fools day,phew

[Rumble de Thump]

If Budge is taking the lead on this she will forget to order the ballot papers. I hope she's at least got unlimited minutes on her mobile phone deal.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Don’t underestimate the determination to push league reconstruction through.

Clubs considering voting against it will be publicly rounded on and bullied through the press.

[Billy Whizz]

Budge is getting pelters over the road

“And we all thought it was Celtic that Dundee were dealing with.

Turns out, it was us mostly”🙄

And there are loads more like this

[The Count]

Statement night coming up.I will go for 4.

[munchar]

Anyone else wondering if Budge or the SPFL might just recognise a possible conflict of interest?

If they're resolutely not going to restructure they've played a blinder, otherwise it looks pretty amateurish to encourage her.

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Budge will have to be seen to be doing the best for Scottish football. If she’s saying Hearts should stay up, how can she Dundee etc should stay down?

[FilipinoHibs]

Seriously though, it’s like setting up a task force to look at changing the traditional Christmas dinner and asking the Turkeys to chair it!

Unbelievable!!

But then getting humans to vote on it!

[BroxburnHibee]

That won’t be on the table with Budge presenting the proposal.


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That's why I dont understand why shes been put in charge of it?

Surely they should look at all possibilities if it's a serious discussion?

I'll believe they are doon when its confirmed. Until then you cant help feel they've got something up their sleeves to wriggle out of it.

[The 90+2]

Don’t underestimate the determination to push league reconstruction through.

Clubs considering voting against it will be publicly rounded on and bullied through the press.

The huns won’t want it, neither will Celtic or all the bottom of the table sides. Nobody is going to care about Hearts or Partick now it’s been decided. Les Gray isn’t going to want reconstruction either.

[greenpaper55]

The seeth over the road is wonderful , comedy gold. They are stuffed

[CropleyWasGod]

Don’t underestimate the determination to push league reconstruction through.

Clubs considering voting against it will be publicly rounded on and bullied through the press.

By whom?

Who is likely to be in favour?

[The 90+2]

By whom?

Who is likely to be in favour?

Hibs Hearts Aberdeen at a push. The rest? Not a hope.

[Aldo]

Fair enough hopefully you're right. It would be unfair to relegate Partick Thistle and Stranraer but not Hearts.

I bet this wouldn't even be a discussion if St Mirren or Hamilton had been bottom.

I read the statement and thought.... FFS they are going to get away with it but the second part of the statement has one word that gives us hope.... POSSIBLE


The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model and has appointed Hearts chair Ann Budge and Hamilton Academical chair Les Gray to jointly lead a reconstruction task force, bringing in other football figures to provide input and support. The SPFL executive will provide all possible services and support to make the work of the task force a success.
The resolution also gives authority to the board to make a decision on the remainder of the Ladbrokes Premiership season and the board is committed to consulting with Premiership clubs before any such decision is made.


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[Billy Whizz]

That's why I dont understand why shes been put in charge of it?

Surely they should look at all possibilities if it's a serious discussion?

I'll believe they are doon when its confirmed. Until then you cant help feel they've got something up their sleeves to wriggle out of it.
She’s got to be seen to do something for the masses, to save her skin

They want her out

[Hibeesmad]

The seeth over the road is wonderful , comedy gold. They are stuffed

"If we go down the first thing we should do is recall Berra from Dundee" 😭😭😂

[KingPat4]

How can you have the person who's club has most to lose with the status quo, be in charge of looking for a way out?

[FranckSuzy]

If Budge is taking the lead on this she will forget to order the ballot papers. I hope she's at least got unlimited minutes on her mobile phone deal.

Well, EE are offering unlimited data to NHS staff and she is a Doctor. Oh wait.....

[Peevemor]

I don't think Budge has been set up. I think she's the only Premiership chairperson who has any interest in restructuring and would have put herself forward to lead the task force, knowing that nobody else can be bothered.

[rodhibs55]

What I take from the SPFL statement is:

The SPFL board has also committed to consult on possible league restructuring in time for season 2020/21 around an expanded Premiership model.

Doesn't mean restructuring is a certainty to happen.

[loanheadhibby]

The huns won’t want it, neither will Celtic or all the bottom of the table sides. Nobody is going to care about Hearts or Partick now it’s been decided. Les Gray isn’t going to want reconstruction either.

What would we all think if she manages to pull off the reconstruction tho? I’ve a horrible feeling this will go belly up and she will get them out the mire. Hope I am wrong.

[Box 17]

Budge in charge stinks to high heaven.

Not really. Budge is the one who has been shouting about league reconstruction. All the SPFL are saying to her is, okay, you come up with some ideas and we'll have a vote on them.

Doubt they will get a majority who think her suggestions are better than what we have now.

[Brunswickbill]

Another highlight to await in the BBC documentary. Followed by the rejection the doctor’s reorganisation proposals. I wonder if they’ll issue it on DVD.

[Shrekko]

Does anyone have even the remotest doubt that there will be reconstruction? Always going to happen.

[Heisenberg]

Does anyone have even the remotest doubt that there will be reconstruction? Always going to happen.

I’ve got loads of doubts. Their proposal is going to need to be amazing to get the backing of eleven Premiership clubs.

[Green Blood]

Budge in charge stinks to high heaven.

No, its a masterstroke on SPFL,s part. Les Gray from Hamilton is close to some of the SPFL top brass and they don't rate Budge so they expect her to fail as she has done at Hertz. Gray is just the inside man feeding back info to SPFL on her hilarious antics at trying to get reconstruction to be agreed.

[Bishop Hibee]

Reconstruction is very likely. The 20/21 season won’t start in front of packed stadiums in August. I can’t see the government allowing large gatherings by then. If it’s not cheating to win trophies, it’s the luck of Satan and administrative incompetence keeping them up.

[CropleyWasGod]

Reconstruction is very likely. The 20/21 season won’t start in front of packed stadiums in August. I can’t see the government allowing large gatherings by then. If it’s not cheating to win trophies, it’s the luck of Satan and administrative incompetence keeping them up.

How will they sell the loss of OF home games to the majority of the League?

[greenlex]

How will they sell the loss of OF home games to the majority of the League?
There will be some sort of split to get them there 4 games.

[CropleyWasGod]

There will be some sort of split to get them there 4 games.

Sorry, I edited my original post.

I meant home games against the OF for those who are in the bottom part of the split. Currently, they can count on 3. Any new model I have seen suggested will reduce that to 2.

Those clubs who can't rely on being in the top half (and we might consider ourselves one) will think twice about that.

[Bostonhibby]

If Budge is taking the lead on this she will forget to order the ballot papers. I hope she's at least got unlimited minutes on her mobile phone deal.Hopefully Gray is putting up the flip charts and organising the seating or the presentation will never happen

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[Barney McGrew]

I suspect they might try to change the voting for reconstruction so they don’t end up with the situation we’ve been in.

Maybe just a straight percentage of all clubs?

[Bostonhibby]

Budge will have to be seen to be doing the best for Scottish football. If she’s saying Hearts should stay up, how can she Dundee etc should stay down?She only has the one preconceived idea.

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[Keith_M]

I don't think Budge has been set up. I think she's the only Premiership chairperson who has any interest in restructuring and would have put herself forward to lead the task force, knowing that nobody else can be bothered.


I think that's probably right.

---

"So that's it decided, then, we need a 'Taskforce' to come up with plans for re-organisation"

"OK, Mrs Budge, stop jumpin' up and doon, we can see you're volunteering... Right, Anybody else?"

"Aw come one, somebody has to do it"

"....anybody......?"

"Right, if yous are no cooperating, we'll choose. OK, let's have a look at the teams from this alphabetically arranged league table before the season started.... "

"......Hamilton, Hearts....."

"Eureka!!"

[Green Blood]

Its beautiful over on kickback, they all hate Budge with a passion, its getting ugly over there. I have been posting on there, dangling the carrot! They are complete ******s and hate to accept the truth that is they got what they deserved.

[CropleyWasGod]

I suspect they might try to change the voting for reconstruction so they don’t end up with the situation we’ve been in.

Maybe just a straight percentage of all clubs?

It can only be the clubs that can change that.

[Real Emerald]

I suspect they might try to change the voting for reconstruction so they don’t end up with the situation we’ve been in.

Maybe just a straight percentage of all clubs?

Would they not need an 11-1 vote to change the voting structure though, that’s not very likely!

[Hibs90]

"This gives budge the ideal scenario with stendal leaving she can now get her two pets to manage the team in the championship,Levein and nanny the dream team will be back mark my words "

:faf:

[Peevemor]

I see the merricks are speaking about legal action again.

Muppets.

[RoxburghHibs]

How will they sell the loss of OF home games to the majority of the League?

Why the need to restructure the Premiership?

Increase the Championship to 12 clubs - same format as the Premiership.

Hearts down, Dundee Utd promoted.

No relegation in the lower leagues but top two teams promoted and two teams added to League two (Kelty Hearts and Brora?).

12-12-10-10 format

This would avoid the need to restructure the Premiership to save one club (Hearts) and then again the following season, with potentially 3 clubs having to be relegated, to return to 12 teams.

[Lago]

Reconstruction is very likely. The 20/21 season won’t start in front of packed stadiums in August. I can’t see the government allowing large gatherings by then. If it’s not cheating to win trophies, it’s the luck of Satan and administrative incompetence keeping them up.
Your right on all counts, the only thing I would add is that I don't think large gatherings will be allowed until we'll into 2021. I've just read a report on German football & they appear to be prepared to play in closed stadiums with no fans in attendance. March 2021 was mentioned as perhaps the time to open stadiums. Similar situation in Scotland would cripple the game here.

[CropleyWasGod]

Why the need to restructure the Premiership?

Increase the Championship to 12 clubs - same format as the Premiership.

Hearts down, Dundee Utd promoted.

No relegation in the lower leagues but top two teams promoted and two teams added to League two (Kelty Hearts and Brora?).

12-12-10-10 format

This would avoid the need to restructure the Premiership to save one club (Hearts) and then again the following season, with potentially 3 clubs having to be relegated, to return to 12 teams.

Don't call Dr.Budge; she'll call you.

[JeMeSouviens]

Dundee’s Yes vote is in at last.

[Spike Mandela]

Does anyone have even the remotest doubt that there will be reconstruction? Always going to happen.

Exactly, they have handed the keys of the jail to the most dangerous prisoner.

She will get ‘her’ people on the task force, she will control the narrative and spin, and by the time we come round to a vote people will be saying how have we never thought of this amazing idea before as we will all sail off into the sunset to the land of milk and honey.

It’s a done deal.

[Seveno]

I don’t often resort to reading Kickback but it is hilarious tonight.

[truehibernian]

We've already seen Killie, St. Johnstone and Hamilton give up stands for extra OF cash - reconstruction is not going to happen in the top league, far more likely in the Championship, League One and Two.

Clubs like Livi and St. Mirren need to OF coin too - and to be fair, so will we (and other sides).

Any reconstruction will likely see Hearts relegated, and maybe do away with the play-off (as is) and have two up, two down, and 3rd bottom plays a 2-leg game with 3rd top (Championship) increasing the chances of getting out the Championship.

[Box 17]

Over on Kickback its all about corruption in the SPFL, police investigations and legal action. Absolutely no acknowledgement that the only reason they're in this situation is because they have the worst team in the league, thanks to Budge and Levein.

[Brightside]

I’m stunned that some people think reorg will happen. It only needs 2 to day no. I’d be amazed if 4 said yes!

[Joe6-2]

If Budge is leading the task force then it looks like there won’t be any legal action.


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Why the f*** is she involved?
Self f****** preservation

[green day]

I’m stunned that some people think reorg will happen. It only needs 2 to day no. I’d be amazed if 4 said yes!

Correct. Unless there is a magic money tree......which there isn't.

[Billy Whizz]

Why the need to restructure the Premiership?

Increase the Championship to 12 clubs - same format as the Premiership.

Hearts down, Dundee Utd promoted.

No relegation in the lower leagues but top two teams promoted and two teams added to League two (Kelty Hearts and Brora?).

12-12-10-10 format

This would avoid the need to restructure the Premiership to save one club (Hearts) and then again the following season, with potentially 3 clubs having to be relegated, to return to 12 teams.

I wouldn’t disagree with that. Saves Partick, and probably brings Falkirk up too

[HoboHarry]

Correct. Unless there is a magic money tree......which there isn't.
No, no - I have a magic money tree. If Hearts send me a bankers check for 1M I'll send it to them.......

[truehibernian]

Why the f*** is she involved?
Self f****** preservation

You've clearly not seen, heard, or read the way Les Gray works :greengrin more chance of Laurel and Hardy pulling off reconstruction than that pair :aok: both clubs they head got duped by phishing scams :faf:

[Billy Whizz]

You've clearly not seen, heard, or read the way Les Gray works :greengrin more chance of Laurel and Hardy pulling off reconstruction than that pair :aok: both clubs they head got duped by phishing scams :faf:

I forgot about that🤣
What should we call them

[brog]

It seems strange that only reconstruction of the Premiership is being mentioned. That can only mean an increase to 14 which means either 2 up & none down or 3 up & 1 down. The former doesn't help Dundee & the latter finishes Hearts! It's hard to see why Dundee would change their vote if they didn't think they would benefit. Lots more fun to come.

[Hibs4185]

Can somebody ask the good doctor is she believes in reconstruction as it benefits the whole of Scottish football.

Then ask her if failure or success should be rewarded.

If her intentions are genuine (they’re not) then we should promote the 3 most successful teams in the championship and relegate the premier league failures.

If hearts escape (I don’t think they will) then it is quite simply diabolical.

[snedzuk]

And just to let you know St Johnstone and co, you will only get a maximum of one visit from each Old Firm team next season.

Despite giving three quarters of your stadium to them

[The Harp Awakes]

Your right on all counts, the only thing I would add is that I don't think large gatherings will be allowed until we'll into 2021. I've just read a report on German football & they appear to be prepared to play in closed stadiums with no fans in attendance. March 2021 was mentioned as perhaps the time to open stadiums. Similar situation in Scotland would cripple the game here.

If that's the case most clubs in Scotland will have folded by March 2021. They won't be able to live on tv money alone, and that's assuming the tv would be interested in covering games with no fans in attendance.

[Vault Boy]

Good stuff. Really can't see any other conclusion now than the league being finished on a points per game basis.

Bye bye Hearts. 🤣

[chrisski33]

Theres no way budge should be chairing the taskforce into reconstruction!

[Onion]

How can you have the person who's club has most to lose with the status quo, be in charge of looking for a way out?

It's a mastertroke by the SPFL (did I really say that ?). Putting together a revised structure that will gain approval of 11 Prem clubs is a near impossible task, and Budge has been handed it.

If it fails, she'll be unable to blame anyone else or claim foul for not being given a fair crack. And it avoids her doing her desperate "phoning around" trying to coerce others behind everyone else's backs. :greengrin

[truehibernian]

I forgot about that🤣
What should we call them

'Not so Bonnie' and 'Wide as the Clyde' :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

Theres no way budge should be chairing the taskforce into reconstruction!
Why not? Are you familiar with that phrase about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves?

[snedzuk]

Theres no way budge should be chairing the taskforce into reconstruction!

Of course she'll also need to do it all by conference call as well ' Hello, Anne, Anne - sorry can you hear me - I cant hear you - what bzzzz'

[04Sauzee]

Can somebody ask the good doctor is she believes in reconstruction as it benefits the whole of Scottish football.

Then ask her if failure or success should be rewarded.

If her intentions are genuine (they’re not) then we should promote the 3 most successful teams in the championship and relegate the premier league failures.

If hearts escape (I don’t think they will) then it is quite simply diabolical.

Did Budge not say that there were to many professional teams in Scottish football?? Probably the reason she's taking Hearts down the amateur route!!

[Waxy]

Quick question. If we finish bottom next season can we get Leeann to form a reconstruction task force as we wont like having to be relegated for finishing bottom?

[Heckys Wheel]

I’m stunned that some people think reorg will happen. It only needs 2 to day no. I’d be amazed if 4 said yes!

That’s my thinking in it.

You have to assume Dundee thought it was a possibility though.

[Radge70]

Can somebody ask the good doctor is she believes in reconstruction as it benefits the whole of Scottish football.

Then ask her if failure or success should be rewarded.

If her intentions are genuine (they’re not) then we should promote the 3 most successful teams in the championship and relegate the premier league failures.

If hearts escape (I don’t think they will) then it is quite simply diabolical.
Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong

[green with envy]

BREAKING: Dundee United and Raith Rovers are champions after Dundee submit ‘yes’ vote to SPFL proposals

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/

[Joe6-2]

You've clearly not seen, heard, or read the way Les Gray works :greengrin more chance of Laurel and Hardy pulling off reconstruction than that pair :aok: both clubs they head got duped by phishing scams :faf:

😂😂

[Phil MaGlass]

If that's the case most clubs in Scotland will have folded by March 2021. They won't be able to live on tv money alone, and that's assuming the tv would be interested in covering games with no fans in attendance.

Sky could have cameras at all grounds and charge a bit extra, or all clubs could set up ppview. Every little helps

[Sammy7nil]

Don’t underestimate the determination to push league reconstruction through.

Clubs considering voting against it will be publicly rounded on and bullied through the press.

I agree :agree:

[The 90+2]

What would we all think if she manages to pull off the reconstruction tho? I’ve a horrible feeling this will go belly up and she will get them out the mire. Hope I am wrong.

I would say they’re spawny spawny bassas who should have went down. The slithering trying to get out of the mess and the fact they’ve now turned on Budge is fantastic viewing though.

[The 90+2]

I agree :agree:

The press = old firm
Old firm = no danger reconstruction

[The Harp Awakes]

It's a mastertroke by the SPFL (did I really say that ?). Putting together a revised structure that will gain approval of 11 Prem clubs is a near impossible task, and Budge has been handed it.

If it fails, she'll be unable to blame anyone else or claim foul for not being given a fair crack. And it avoids her doing her desperate "phoning around" trying to coerce others behind everyone else's backs. :greengrin

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

[truehibernian]

I agree :agree:

Not with the Scottish media :aok: the Old Firm has them in a stranglehold :agree:

[dchibs]

Over on Kickback its all about corruption in the SPFL, police investigations and legal action. Absolutely no acknowledgement that the only reason they're in this situation is because they have the worst team in the league, thanks to Budge and Levein.

Got to give Colonel Klink some credit too,

[CropleyWasGod]

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

Even at that, who would be the 9?

[truehibernian]

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

She said the stand would be on budget - it's £10 million over her estimate - who would you trust :wink:

[Heisenberg]

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

That might be a game changer but even then, nine clubs voting for a temp reconstruction is a long shot.

[Rumble de Thump]

Budge being in charge of looking into league reconstruction means the chances of it happening are far less likely. She won't put forward any proposal that involves Hearts being relegated so there will be limited options on the table, and any option will involve the worst team in the league remaining in the league, dminishing the standard of football.

[JeMeSouviens]

Meanwhile over on Sevcomedia it’s a “fenian league run by corrupt fenian *******s”.

:lolrangers:

[StevieC]

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

Can’t see that being the case .. what would stop them doing temporary reconstruction for every season?

[GRA]

What's the purpose of this Taskforce then? To put forward reconstruction options that seem to benefit the top flight only? Incredibly harsh on Thistle & Stranraer if so, puts all that 'sporting integrity' nonsense out the window if it's only primarily going to benefit one/two clubs! Surely a non-starter...

[The 90+2]

That might be a game changer but even then, nine clubs voting for a temp reconstruction is a long shot.

You usually need a season notice for any reconstruction and that has to go 11/1 now immediate temp reconstruction will only require 75%? Can’t see it and even then it will only need three teams to say no and there’s already cast iron 2 teams doing that.

[Eyrie]

All Budge needs to do is persuade Motherwell, Aberdeen, Livingston, Hibs, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Ross County, St Mirren and Hamilton that having three clubs relegated at the end of next season is a good thing, and she'll still be one vote short.

[The Harp Awakes]

You usually need a season notice for any reconstruction and that has to go 11/1 now immediate temp reconstruction will only require 75%? Can’t see it and even then it will only need three teams to say no and there’s already cast iron 2 teams doing that.

If the 75% is true, 9/12 will pass it. 4 teams would need to say no.

[Peevemor]

Temporary reconstruction would probably see 3 teams relegated at the end of the season. Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County and St Johnstone won't vote for that.

Hearts probably won't even fancy it themselves.

[steviehibsleith]

If the season has been ended after the vote.... Then when it comes to SPL league reconstruction votes surely Dundee Utd get the Vote as Hearts are now relageted The season is over

[The Harp Awakes]

Even at that, who would be the 9?

Difficult to get 9. Pressure on Hibs from fans take 2.

[Brooster]

Reconstruction is very likely. The 20/21 season won’t start in front of packed stadiums in August. I can’t see the government allowing large gatherings by then. If it’s not cheating to win trophies, it’s the luck of Satan and administrative incompetence keeping them up.
Why is reconstruction very likely? It may well be but I'm curious as to how you think it is likely?

[Peevemor]

Why is reconstruction very likely? It may well be but I'm curious as to how you think it is likely?I don't see it myself either.

Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

[CropleyWasGod]

If the season has been ended after the vote.... Then when it comes to SPL league reconstruction votes surely Dundee Utd get the Vote as Hearts are now relageted The season is over

The Premiership hasn't been called yet.

[green day]

Reconstruction is only likely if the deal on the table means smaller clubs are in a similar position financially and feel that they are not being set up as relegation fodder.

I struggle to see how Budge achieves either never mind both.

Amusing really, and very good move by the SPFL.

[steviehibsleith]

The Premiership hasn't been called yet.
Correct :aok:

[mcohibs]

If the season has been ended after the vote.... Then when it comes to SPL league reconstruction votes surely Dundee Utd get the Vote as Hearts are now relageted The season is over

The vote was to determine what happens IF the league cannot be finished.

[Frankhfc]

Appears as if the yams are being saved from relegation. With Budge part of the task team heading it up it looks as if there's been a stitch up with the SPFL caving in. Could be wrong but that is how things now seem imo.

[Waxy]

The vote was to determine what happens IF the league cannot be finished.

So what we might get now is Rangers and Hearts being hugely vocal about wanting to play out the season when football restarts?

[Peevemor]

So what we might get now is Rangers and Hearts being hugely vocal about wanting to play out the season when football restarts?It's the board and not the clubs who decide now.

[HoboHarry]

Appears as if the yams are being saved from relegation. With Budge part of the task team heading it up it looks as if there's been a stitch up with the SPFL caving in. Could be wrong but that is how things now seem imo.
It really doesn't.

[Billy Whizz]

Temporary reconstruction would probably see 3 teams relegated at the end of the season. Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County and St Johnstone won't vote for that.

Hearts probably won't even fancy it themselves.

Of course she won’t
Only way would be 1 up and 1 down season after next, they might vote for that, but it means Budge will have shafted the championship clubs

[Peevemor]

Appears as if the yams are being saved from relegation. With Budge part of the task team heading it up it looks as if there's been a stitch up with the SPFL caving in. Could be wrong but that is how things now seem imo.No stitch up. Steering groups, commissions, whatever you want to call them are invariably formed from people who are interested in the subject of the group. Budge is the only one really interested so it was always going to be her.

[we are hibs]

Temporary reconstruction would probably see 3 teams relegated at the end of the season. Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County and St Johnstone won't vote for that.

Hearts probably won't even fancy it themselves.

Hamilton chairman is in charge with budge with regards to proposals. Cant see other 3 clubs buying into it mind. Alongside hibs and either one or both old firm. Dead in the water already imo

[CB_NO3]

Appears as if the yams are being saved from relegation. With Budge part of the task team heading it up it looks as if there's been a stitch up with the SPFL caving in. Could be wrong but that is how things now seem imo.

Care to explain?

Budge obviously nominated herself to set up the taskforce as last resort and there is nothing wrong with that. Any club can have a proposal. Rangers had one last week and it was rejected. Hibs could have a proposal if we wanted. Doesn't mean it will get accepted.

[Aldo]

Of course she won’t
Only way would be 1 up and 1 down season after next, they might vote for that, but it means Budge will have shafted the championship clubs

Billy, Budge and co don’t give a flying **** who they shaft.

Admin has already proved that and I really don’t think they will change.


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[hibbyfraelibby]

If Budge is leading the task force then it looks like there won’t be any legal action.


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They've set her up to fail and take legal action talk off the table.

[Frankhfc]

Care to explain?

Budge obviously nominated herself to set up the taskforce. Any club can have a proposal. Rangers had one last week and it was rejected. Hibs could have a proposal if we wanted. Doesn't mean it will get accepted.

I did explain. I gave my opinion. I even stated 'imo'.

Like most on here I hope its not the case and I'm wrong.

[Billy Whizz]

Billy, Budge and co don’t give a flying **** who they shaft.

Admin has already proved that and I really don’t think they will change.


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I agree, she can’t run her own properly, so shouldn’t be working as the saviour of Scottish football
This has got a bit to run yet. Can’t see the Premiership clubs voting for anything that reduces their income

[theonlywayisup]

"Don't panic, boys, I'm in charge now"

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/480/cpsprodpb/0533/production/_111813310_19734891-1.jpg

[hibeerealist]

No they won't, for once the authorities have played a blinder. When Budge/Gray fail it will be on them and not Doncaster et al lol......

Ye and Les Gray is NOT going to be keen on ANY reconstruction unless it is NO relegation from the SPL!!

OK Annie, you get on with it jointly with the Hamilton CEO and we feel sure you will come up with a plan that suits everybody, ha ha pulling in different directions they (the SPFL) are clearly taking this seriously!

[hibeerealist]

Hopefully Gray is putting up the flip charts and organising the seating or the presentation will never happen

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I think that needs 11-1 too, so will not happen.

This is all to show Hertz fandames that Annie tried her best.

[Real Emerald]

Whatever happens we have to vote against it. Reconstruction done properly is a good thing but not to save Hearts. The ‘big team’, ‘natural order’ stuff needs to be remembered and whilst they were outbidding teams to sign Stendel on a reputed £10k a week and Boyce on a reputed £6k never mind the money for nae knees Naisy. They now want folk including us to feel sorry for them and save the overspending, delusional, sense of entitlement failures. No way, karma and all that.

[The 90+2]

So what we might get now is Rangers and Hearts being hugely vocal about wanting to play out the season when football restarts?

Hearts don’t want that though, they want reconstruction. Fenian Budge has just went against the Rangers.

[hibbyfraelibby]

A guy on JK is quoting Budgie as saying that temporary reconstruction for 1 season does not requirie an 11-1 vote. It passes with 75%. Might be wishful thing and bollocks of course.

Both of the later interpretations apply.

[The 90+2]

I did explain. I gave my opinion. I even stated 'imo'.

Like most on here I hope its not the case and I'm wrong.

Explain how your opinion draws to that conclusion perhaps?

[PH91]

Lets say she proposes a permanent 14 team league with Hearts and ICT taking no prize money next season.

Sky wont care as long as they are getting the same number of games and 4 of derbies. In fact, having 4 edin derbies too will be good for them.

If she can stick with the same 1 down and 1 playoff then every 'bottom half' clubs will go for it.

Rangers might pal with Hearts because its no skin off their back.

That just leaves Celtic and the clubs expected to be competing for europe. If she spins it such that they are not losing money next season (maybe even make a bit more as there may be more games), its for the benefit long term and it is the fairest way given the exceptional circumstances then some of the clubs might also go for it, Hibs included.

Throw in the 'only 75% of clubs need to vote for it' rumour thats flying around then suddenly i am worried they are going to get away with it.

[green day]

Lets say she proposes a permanent 14 team league with Hearts and ICT taking no prize money next season.

Sky wont care as long as they r getting the same number of games and 4 of derbies. In fact, having 4 edin derbies too will be good for them.

If she can stick with the same 1 down and 1 playoff then every 'bottom half' club will go for it.

Rangers might pal with Hearts cos its no skin off their back.

That just leaves Celtic and the clubs expected to be competing for europe. If she spins it such that they are not losing money next season (maybe even make a bit more as there may be more games), its for the benefit long term and it is the fairest way given the exceptional circumstances then some of the clubs might also go for it, Hibs included.

Throw in the 'only 75% of clubs need to vote for it' rumour thats flying around then suddenly i am worried they are going to get away with it.

Both clubs are skint

[Clarence]

Madame Budgerigar - we want reconstruction and we want it now
SPFL - ok, you go away with your wee pals and keep yourselves busy pulling together a PowerPoint on why it’s a good idea, have some graphs of you want, keep yourselves out of the press for a few days while we finalise what we’re really going to. You can even say that you’re the boss of it AND call it a Task Force
Madame Budgerigar - I’m in charge, I’m in charge

I think they are giving the baby her bottle but ultimately it won’t make any difference.

[007]

Any proposal that is only for temporary reconstruction is an admission that the proposed new set up is worse than the current one.

If the proposed structure is better than what we currently have then it should be a permanent change. Otherwise we should not be making the structure worse just to bail out clubs at the expense of others. Their arguement that restructuring ensures nobody is penalised is wrong, a worse product penalises the fans and also several top flight clubs' whose income will be impacted.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Thus 75% thing is a red herring. Its exactly the same rule used in the current vote

You need 10 from Prem, 8 from Champ and 15 from L1/L2 first. Then the 75% rule kicks in on the overall result. It has to pass each divisions voting criteria first...and it wont

[Aldo]

I agree, she can’t run her own properly, so shouldn’t be working as the saviour of Scottish football
This has got a bit to run yet. Can’t see the Premiership clubs voting for anything that reduces their income

I said on another thread I wonder if the SPFL are just pandering to her, lip service, with little or no intention of taking any of this forward.

Think underscore raised a good question/point..... have they contacted Sky to see what they say, considering a contract was signed with the current numbers involved?


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