Tories

[Geo_1875]

Boris Johnson has his say on Trump.

“The US is the biggest single investor in the UK - yet Khan & Corbyn seem determined to put this crucial relationship at risk. We will not allow US-UK relations to be endangered by some puffed up pompous popinjay in City Hall.”

So he can be as racist as he likes but we should be welcoming him for financial reasons. It makes me sick to think these people are running our country and even sicker that normal people vote for them.

A perfect description of Boris as Mayor of London - "puffed up pompous popinjay in City Hall".

[johnbc70]

What are people taking about at the offices, the factories and the building sites? The snow and how it took them 2 hours to get to work or the constitutional make up of the UK? What is the average person in the street more interested in?

[snooky]

What are people taking about at the offices, the factories and the building sites? The snow and how it took them 2 hours to get to work or the constitutional make up of the UK? What is the average person in the street more interested in?

Good point ...... and sad but true.

[RyeSloan]

What are people taking about at the offices, the factories and the building sites? The snow and how it took them 2 hours to get to work or the constitutional make up of the UK? What is the average person in the street more interested in?

I think that's pretty accurate.

There is also the fact that the 'power grab' appears to me to simply be the fact that the EU repatriated powers land at Westminster first rather than going direct to the devolved administrations.

I'm minded to think that most folk who will actually bother to consider this for a few minutes (rather than the impact of snow on their lives!) might not see that as a huge issue and that the reasonable expectation would be that once those powers are back then sensible discussions would quite quickly take place as to which ones then dovetail into the devolved powers and the changes made accordingly. And that's before any changes are made to the bill to improve the speed of those powers being transferred.

It's also interesting that the SNP are making such a noise about it. These are powers after all that they are 100% comfortable with sitting in Brussels and are actively stating should stay there as part of the UK / Scotland staying in the EU. To then make a song and dance about them landing in Westminster first and how much of an affront that is to Scotland seems slightly unhinged...if the powers were so important and critical and important etc etc then why support them being in Brussels in the first place?

But to be fair to the SNP I've never really got their absolute acceptance of centralised power in Brussels (and as seen recently the explicit support of even more centralisation) but their polar opposite of view on power residing (even temporarily) at Westminster....

[One Day Soon]

I think that's pretty accurate.

There is also the fact that the 'power grab' appears to me to simply be the fact that the EU repatriated powers land at Westminster first rather than going direct to the devolved administrations.

I'm minded to think that most folk who will actually bother to consider this for a few minutes (rather than the impact of snow on their lives!) might not see that as a huge issue and that the reasonable expectation would be that once those powers are back then sensible discussions would quite quickly take place as to which ones then dovetail into the devolved powers and the changes made accordingly. And that's before any changes are made to the bill to improve the speed of those powers being transferred.

It's also interesting that the SNP are making such a noise about it. These are powers after all that they are 100% comfortable with sitting in Brussels and are actively stating should stay there as part of the UK / Scotland staying in the EU. To then make a song and dance about them landing in Westminster first and how much of an affront that is to Scotland seems slightly unhinged...if the powers were so important and critical and important etc etc then why support them being in Brussels in the first place?

But to be fair to the SNP I've never really got their absolute acceptance of centralised power in Brussels (and as seen recently the explicit support of even more centralisation) but their polar opposite of view on power residing (even temporarily) at Westminster....

Careful now...

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I think that's pretty accurate.

There is also the fact that the 'power grab' appears to me to simply be the fact that the EU repatriated powers land at Westminster first rather than going direct to the devolved administrations.

I'm minded to think that most folk who will actually bother to consider this for a few minutes (rather than the impact of snow on their lives!) might not see that as a huge issue and that the reasonable expectation would be that once those powers are back then sensible discussions would quite quickly take place as to which ones then dovetail into the devolved powers and the changes made accordingly. And that's before any changes are made to the bill to improve the speed of those powers being transferred.

It's also interesting that the SNP are making such a noise about it. These are powers after all that they are 100% comfortable with sitting in Brussels and are actively stating should stay there as part of the UK / Scotland staying in the EU. To then make a song and dance about them landing in Westminster first and how much of an affront that is to Scotland seems slightly unhinged...if the powers were so important and critical and important etc etc then why support them being in Brussels in the first place?

But to be fair to the SNP I've never really got their absolute acceptance of centralised power in Brussels (and as seen recently the explicit support of even more centralisation) but their polar opposite of view on power residing (even temporarily) at Westminster....

Some good questions raised...

Agree that there is a bit of a contradiction in the SNP's position, but then to be fair the same argument could perhaps be levelled at some 'unionists'.

Will be comical, come indyref2, to see both side basically swap their message sheets with each other...

[The Pointer]

Conservative Government take a leaf out of the Donald's book.

Mexico will pay for the wall?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42723401

UK will pay for the security.

Macron wags his finger and May scurries over.

It's a French problem and should be dealt with further East. She was an appalling Home Secretary with her inability to keep our borders secure and I'd like to know exactly why she agreed to accept more migrants.

[One Day Soon]

Macron wags his finger and May scurries over.

It's a French problem and should be dealt with further East. She was an appalling Home Secretary with her inability to keep our borders secure and I'd like to know exactly why she agreed to accept more migrants.

There are a few points that could be picked up in your post but I'll settle for questioning your geography. Further East?

[johnbc70]

Good point ...... and sad but true.

The average reading age in Scotland is something like 11 years of age, people don't really care about the constitutional make up of the UK, they care about snow though as it impacts their daily life. For WoS to say there is some kind of BBC conspiracy based on reporting about the weather is ridiculous.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The average reading age in Scotland is something like 11 years of age, people don't really care about the constitutional make up of the UK, they care about snow though as it impacts their daily life. For WoS to say there is some kind of BBC conspiracy based on reporting about the weather is ridiculous.

Read the media conspiracy thread though.

Therr are plenty of people who believe something is biased if it reports things that they dont like.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think that's pretty accurate.

There is also the fact that the 'power grab' appears to me to simply be the fact that the EU repatriated powers land at Westminster first rather than going direct to the devolved administrations.

I'm minded to think that most folk who will actually bother to consider this for a few minutes (rather than the impact of snow on their lives!) might not see that as a huge issue and that the reasonable expectation would be that once those powers are back then sensible discussions would quite quickly take place as to which ones then dovetail into the devolved powers and the changes made accordingly. And that's before any changes are made to the bill to improve the speed of those powers being transferred.

It's also interesting that the SNP are making such a noise about it. These are powers after all that they are 100% comfortable with sitting in Brussels and are actively stating should stay there as part of the UK / Scotland staying in the EU. To then make a song and dance about them landing in Westminster first and how much of an affront that is to Scotland seems slightly unhinged...if the powers were so important and critical and important etc etc then why support them being in Brussels in the first place?

But to be fair to the SNP I've never really got their absolute acceptance of centralised power in Brussels (and as seen recently the explicit support of even more centralisation) but their polar opposite of view on power residing (even temporarily) at Westminster....

It's not about the powers, it's about the power.

The principle of the existing Scotland act is Scotland is the default owner of agri, fish etc. The mindset in London is that London is the default owner of everything*.

You would expect that if there's sensible compromises to be made UK-wide, they should come regardless of which end is ceding the powers. But politics dictates it's in both sides' interest to have the upper hand.

btw, centralising isn't automatically good or bad. eg. If it weren't for the fact that a bunch of complete ********s are in charge of UK defence and foreign policy, I'd absolutely say it makes sense for the entire British Isles archipelago to co-ordinate these things.

The trick is centralising the things that makes sense and maximal subsidiarity where it doesn't.


* I agree with them btw, the idea that Westminster can't just ultimately do wtf it likes in Scotland one way or another is fanciful to say the least. But there's only one way to change that ...

[EH54]

Reading some of the responses to this thread, I'm not one for normally getting involved in politics on a football forum as I talk about politics way to much elsewhere. But I will never understand someone who votes tactically for a party or person who they probably don't agree with just to get another out. Labour voters voting Tories to get the SNP out is just bizarre IMO anyway.

[marinello59]

Reading some of the responses to this thread, I'm not one for normally getting involved in politics on a football forum as I talk about politics way to much elsewhere. But I will never understand someone who votes tactically for a party or person who they probably don't agree with just to get another out. Labour voters voting Tories to get the SNP out is just bizarre IMO anyway.

When did this happen? :confused:

[EH54]

When did this happen? :confused:

Very first page tactical voting and it happened up and down the country in the snap election and local election on transferable votes wether people admit it or not proberbly should have worded my comment slightly better I sent mean just this thread ��

[snooky]

http://http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/15890922.Number_10_mocked_for_bungling_names_of_Sc ots_Tory_MPs/

Pathetic. Either, ignorance at its best or, the age old snob ploy of addressing someone by a slightly wrong name in an attempt to demean them. Or both.

Teresa Mae should know better.