Brexit Referendum

[Pete]

Better than expected results for remain in London. Could make up for the results in other areas.

50/50 so far and my cash is staying in my pocket.

[Mon Dieu4]

East Lothian 65% remain

[Pretty Boy]

Leave - 11/10
Remain - 5/4

Latest odds

[BroxburnHibee]

Looking more and more likely Remain need London and the Scottish vote to get this over the line.

Farage will never accept that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Leave 49.3% Remain 50.7% ooohh

[Mon Dieu4]

Be really interesting to see the final maps when this is all over

[lord bunberry]

The results are coming in thick and fast now. Thank god I'm not working in tomorrow

[Pretty Boy]

Be really interesting to see the final maps when this is all over

They can just dust off the General Election map for Scotland. It will be a sea of yellow.

[Mon Dieu4]

They can just dust off the General Election map for Scotland. It will be a sea of yellow.

Sure will be, with London and Birmingham, other small patches but the majority of England and Wales will be blue

I think either way we are in for some pretty crazy times

[Pretty Boy]

Sure will be, with London and Birmingham, other small patches but the majority of England and Wales will be blue

I think either way we are in for some pretty crazy times

Yep.

The legal implications alone of a leave vote will be worth watching. That will be a big payday for the lawyers sorting that out.

[Pretty Boy]

I have to laugh at a friend of mine who was the grassroots coordinator for Better Together moaning bitterly on Twitter that the potential leave vote is the result of the 'politics of fear' and 'negative campaigning'.

Don't think he does irony.

[Pretty Boy]

Remain back to favourite. 8/11 plays 11/8.

[Pretty Boy]

Hammersmith and Fulham another big London win for remain. 70%.

[Mon Dieu4]

The more this creeps on the more my petty side wants the Scottish vote to tip it to stay in, just to see the reaction

[HibeeSince82]

Remain lead cut right down now

[Beefster]

I think it's all over personally.

[lord bunberry]

Leave back in front

[Pretty Boy]

Almost 50/50

Leave ahead by 3570. Big cities are going to start coming in soon and will be huge.

[Mon Dieu4]

The infighting between the tories and labour is going to be pretty epic if the guests on tv taking a dig at each other are anything to go by

[Pretty Boy]

Latest odds:

Remain - 5/6
Leave - 7/5

[Pretty Boy]

There's one.

Liverpool 58% for remain. Remain back ahead.

[HibeeSince82]

Liverpool votes to remain

[Pretty Boy]

Islington big for remain. 75%.

[Bristolhibby]

Is Hartlepool voting leave even news, did they not once hang a monkey

Yes. Because they thought it was a French spy. The football team is nicknamed the Monkey Hangers.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Sadly I reckon the metropolitan cities in the West Midlands will take us out.

J

[Pretty Boy]

Aberdeen and the Borders both plus 60% for remain.

[Mon Dieu4]

Aberdeen was higher remain than I thought it would be

[Pretty Boy]

Remain - 10/11
Leave - 11/10

[Scottie]

Surprised the Borders are 60% remain if that's the case

[lord bunberry]

Quite a big leave lead now

[Pretty Boy]

Leave back to favourites

Evens to remains 11/10

[Radium]

ITV calling for leave [with 75% probability]

[Pete]

Leave are going to win this.

[BroxburnHibee]

My god!!!

Leave starting to stretch this lead out.

[Beefster]

I hope folk are prepared for general chaos with the added cherry of smug weirdo Tories on top.

[HibeeSince82]

leave getting such a big lead now not sure how much the london votes are gonna help remain

[Mon Dieu4]

Ah Jacob Rees Mogg, more Tory than tory boy, walking stereotype

[Mon Dieu4]

I hope folk are prepared for general chaos with the added cherry of smug weirdo Tories on top.

Someone should get to Turnberry and ask Trump if he can rebuild Hadrians Wall, we can make the English pay for it

[BroxburnHibee]

I hope folk are prepared for general chaos with the added cherry of smug weirdo Tories on top.

The other cherry will be Nicola will love this outcome.

IndyRef2 is right back on the agenda.

[Pete]

Scexit time.

[Smartie]

This is horrible.

[Pretty Boy]

The leave lead is still only about 2% of the required total to win.

It's still all hinging on the likes of Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh and the remaining London boroughs.

Fwiw I think Leave have it by about 3-4%.

[HibeeSince82]

almost 300,000 lead

[HibeeLR]

I think it's time for me to accept leave may win 😞 Only bonus is Scotland voting overwhelmingly to remain

[Scottie]

I'm really enjoying the debate and potential fallout of this.

[BroxburnHibee]

This lead is growing far enough to soak up the city votes.

Ladies and gentlemen start your engines :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Leave big favourites now

Leave - 4/7
Remain - 5/2

[Pete]

The graphics on the BBC are excellent.

[lord bunberry]

It will be interesting if many people opposed to another referendum in Scotland change their minds. Interesting and uncertain times ahead for us all.

[Pretty Boy]

Skybet have gone 1/5 on a leave vote.

[Pete]

Edinburgh pulls it back a bit.

[HibeeSince82]

Edinburgh 74%

[Pretty Boy]

Well done Edinburghers.

Too little too late though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'l put 5 Euros on a remain win

[HibeeSince82]

London could be huge

[BroxburnHibee]

That's us reached half of seats declared.

Over 400000 of a lead.

ITV saying 80% probability of Leave winning.

Think its done.

[Pete]

Cameron has to go.

[Scottie]

Will Cameron and Osbourne fall on their swords in the morning if Leave wins the vote or will they hang on until they are pushed as IMO their jobs will be untenable ?

[Mr Grieves]

How utterly depressing. **** knows what happens now.


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[Mon Dieu4]

Cameron has to go.

If he loses he does, but what comes after him will probably be even worse

[cabbageandribs1875]

478,000 lead for leave

[Pretty Boy]

Will Cameron and Osbourne fall on their swords in the morning if Leave wins the vote or will they hang on until they are pushed as IMO their jobs will be untenable ?

They have to go. Cameron especially, this was a calculated gamble that massively backfired.

I wouldn't be suprised to see a general election before the end of the year with the SNP including an indyref2 in their manifesto.

[Westie1875]

How utterly depressing. **** knows what happens now.


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Indy ref 2 for Scotland for sure

[HibeeSince82]

Indy ref 2 for Scotland for sure


Has to be. Scotland has clearly voted for being in the EU

[Beefster]

Indy ref 2 for Scotland for sure

Yup. But we're not getting back into Europe without going the full monty. Euro will have to be the currency.

[Bristolhibby]

Not sure if London can pull this back now.

Bloody Little Englanders!

Indy Ref 2 will happen.

J

[Scottie]

They have to go. Cameron especially, this was a calculated gamble that massively backfired.

I wouldn't be suprised to see a general election before the end of the year with the SNP including an indyref2 in their manifesto.
We are only a year into this parliament so can't see a general election but definatly a Tory leadership battle as for Indy mrk2 oh no

[cabbageandribs1875]

huge remain votes still to come in Londinium

[Smartie]

Yup. But we're not getting back into Europe without going the full monty. Euro will have to be the currency.

Will they let us use the Euro though?

[Pretty Boy]

We are only a year into this parliament so can't see a general election but definatly a Tory leadership battle as for Indy mrk2 oh no
If there's a change in Tory leadership there's certainly a case for a GE and it would be a sensible move for a new leader as they would likely win and have a mandate.

There's most definitely a case for Indyref2 given that EU membership was front and centre of the Better Together campaign. It won't happen though.

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[HibeeSince82]

London votes coming in and manchester and not denting the leave lead :(

[Pretty Boy]

Manchester 60% for remain but doesn't really budge the overall picture.

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[lord bunberry]

What would labour campaign for in an Indy referendum?

[Pete]

Not sure if London can pull this back now.

Bloody Little Englanders!

Indy Ref 2 will happen.

J

It's a bit insulting calling them that.

Working class people that have been screwed and ignored for years that are making their voices heard.

It's the people at the top who are to blame for this.

[Pretty Boy]

What would labour campaign for in an Indy referendum?

They would be in one hell of a position but it would have to be a No surely?

[Mon Dieu4]

It's a bit insulting calling them that.

Working class people that have been screwed and ignored for years that are making their voices heard.

It's the people at the top who are to blame for this.

They are making their voices heard in the wrong election, should have done it last year

[Pretty Boy]

It's a bit insulting calling them that.

Working class people that have been screwed and ignored for years that are making their voices heard.

It's the people at the top who are to blame for this.

In fairness, and leaving out the name calling, plenty working class Scots have also tried to make their voices heard and are again likely to be overruled by sheer weight of numbers.

[Smartie]

It's a bit insulting calling them that.

Working class people that have been screwed and ignored for years that are making their voices heard.

It's the people at the top who are to blame for this.

Some fair points but Farage and this type of nonsense is not the answer.

There are relatively speaking as many working class people in Scotland (if not more) who have the same problems but a different idea of what the answer is.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Leave Lead 498k

[Beefster]

Will they let us use the Euro though?

The EU will insist on us using the Euro if an independent Scotland applies to join.

The pound is now down 8%. What's the betting that a poll in a month or two will show the UK deeply regretting voting out?

[lord bunberry]

They would be in one hell of a position but it would have to be a No surely?

I'm not so sure. They opposed independence and paid a huge price, they've campaigned to remain and it appears that it's their voters that have abandoned them. There's been noises that they might support independence in the future.

[HibeeSince82]

Pound to the dollar now down to 1.35

[Mr Grieves]

Indy ref 2 for Scotland for sure

Hopefully but we need a surge in support for a referendum, I just can't see that happening. I think people are jaded.


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[Scottie]

They are making their voices heard in the wrong election, should have done it last year
I did mate and my voice was not heard last year.

[calumhibee1]

Pound to the dollar now down to 1.35

I fully expected us to vote remain and so held off buying dollars until after this. What a ****ing bad move.

[Mon Dieu4]

If someone could smash Farage straight in his smug lizard face that would be grand

[Pete]

They are making their voices heard in the wrong election, should have done it last year

Perhaps.

But when they get the entire establishment telling them to do something to keep things the way they are then they will probably stick two fingers up to them.

Big industries are getting hammered and nobody is doing anything to help them. Why should they trust any of the people who spearhead the remain campaign?

[Pretty Boy]

**** sake

Farage gloating on the box. 'A victory for real, ordinary and decent people'. You don't speak for me you jumped up ****ing prick.

[HibeeSince82]

I fully expected us to vote remain and so held off buying dollars until after this. What a ****ing bad move.

Im the same mate. I got some but what i expect to take now is complete changed

[HibeeLR]

I don't get this voting 'against the establishment' thing

People are voting leave, a campaign supported by Farage, Johnson, Gove....who are all part of that establishment. Raging.

[Pete]

**** sake

Farage gloating on the box. 'A victory for real, ordinary and decent people'. You don't speak for me you jumped up ****ing prick.

Independence day though.

Will we all have to wear wacky ties?

[Mon Dieu4]

Perhaps.

But when they get the entire establishment telling them to do something to keep things the way they are then they will probably stick two fingers up to them.

Big industries are getting hammered and nobody is doing anything to help them. Why should they trust any of the people who spearhead the remain campaign?

I get what you are saying but they are in for a shock if they think the Tories with no one watching over them is going to sort any of it out, they might just find it being worse than ever

[Smartie]

It would be fair to say that the majority of results in elections, referendums etc have not gone my way, but that triumphant Farage speech has made me as sick to the pit of my stomach as almost anything else I've seen.


This will not be a victory for real, decent people.

[Pete]

I don't get this voting 'against the establishment' thing

People are voting leave, a campaign supported by Farage, Johnson, Gove....who are all part of that establishment. Raging.

Get rid of the smoke and mirrors and that is the reality.

However, the finger should be pointed at those who have let it get to this point that so many English people are so pissed off.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mansfield 71% leave vote, think that's one of the biggest margins either way

[Pretty Boy]

I don't get this voting 'against the establishment' thing

People are voting leave, a campaign supported by Farage, Johnson, Gove....who are all part of that establishment. Raging.

Absolutely. Many of the problems people are allegedly kicking out against could have been addressed by the people now being hailed as anti establishment, especially that snake Duncan Smith.

In a country of nearly 70M people we are looking at a margin of victory of around 1-2%. Plenty people with the same issues and valid concerns have voted the other way.

[Bristolhibby]

It's a bit insulting calling them that.

Working class people that have been screwed and ignored for years that are making their voices heard.

It's the people at the top who are to blame for this.

Their ire is directed at the wrong place.

It's OUR government that has ignored them, nothing to do with the EU.

J

[Bristolhibby]

They are making their voices heard in the wrong election, should have done it last year

Indeed. It also shows that First Past the Post should be scrapped. It disinfeanchised vast swathes of the electorate. In a direct vote, the people can speak. Allbeit they talk ***** and aim their disgust at the wrong "establishment".

It will also lay the tracks as to how Scotland can "seperate" herself from the UK.

J

[Pretty Boy]

Get rid of the smoke and mirrors and that is the reality.

However, the finger should be pointed at those who have let it get to this point that so many English people are so pissed off.
Absolutely agree with this.

My anger is aimed primarily at the Labour party. This is their voters who are driving this and the party has yet again proven itself impotent.


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[Pete]

Their ire is directed at the wrong place.

It's OUR government that has ignored them, nothing to do with the EU.

J

:agree:

I think an opportunity has come to lash out and they've taken it.

[Bristolhibby]

It would be fair to say that the majority of results in elections, referendums etc have not gone my way, but that triumphant Farage speech has made me as sick to the pit of my stomach as almost anything else I've seen.


This will not be a victory for real, decent people.

This. Said as much on Facebook.

J

[HibeeSince82]

Is there any big votes still to come in that could help the leave at all?

[Mon Dieu4]

North Norfolk vote out, even Alan Partrdige has left me now

[Pete]

Absolutely agree with this.

My anger is aimed primarily at the Labour party. This is their voters who are driving this and the party has yet again proven itself impotent.


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It's bloody annoying as Corbyns Labour has the policies to make life so much better for those who are basically protest voting in this referendum.

Lots of soul searching to come all round.

[Pretty Boy]

North Norfolk vote out, even Alan Partrdige has left me now

Tbf Partridge is as clear a Leave voter as there could be.

[BroxburnHibee]

Forecasting Birmingham for Leave.

That's game over

[cabbageandribs1875]

Forecasting Birmingham for Leave.

That's game over



now THAT could be the final nail

[Smartie]

North Norfolk vote out, even Alan Partrdige has left me now

I'm a Partridge fan but there's little doubt in my mind that he'd be a "Leave" man.

[Greencore]

Watching Nigel on tv is like watching hitler speak about the Jews.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm a Partridge fan but there's little doubt in my mind that he'd be a "Leave" man.

He'll be celebrating tonight with a Bond movie, a fat shot of Directors Bitter and a Ginsters.

[Mon Dieu4]

Looks like Hibs winning the Cup has broken the order of things, all we need now is a Trump win

Least I've had my best day ever haha

[Pete]

Watching Nigel on tv is like watching hitler speak about the Jews.

That's a bit strong.

[Pretty Boy]

Pound at lowest level since 1985.

Holiday money should be fun this year.

[Greencore]

That's a bit strong.

Hitler spoke about getting rid of the Jews from his country and giving Germany back to the Germans. Basically the same sh*t Nigel just said.

Can see your point though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the French have voted for England to leave











the European championships i mean

[cabbageandribs1875]

Leave 648k ahead

[Radium]

Pound at lowest level since 1985.

Holiday money should be fun this year.

Petrol prices for the stay-cationers

[HibeeSince82]

Pound at lowest level since 1985.

Holiday money should be fun this year.

I am f****d for holiday money to florida now if it doesnt rise at all before september

[Pretty Boy]

Leave 600k ahead

Wee run on remain wins but it's not even touching the lead.

The Birmingham news is the killer.

[calumhibee1]

Pound at lowest level since 1985.

Holiday money should be fun this year.

Yup. Can anyone still afford to go to Copenhagen?!

[cabbageandribs1875]

700K ahead

[cabbageandribs1875]

stubbsy's Rotherham vote to leave

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm quite surprised at Luton voting leave

[Mon Dieu4]

Even Dumfries have voted remain

[Pete]

Edinburgh has become a much better place since free movement. It's a real melting pot and on a night out you could be having a beer with guys from all four corners of the globe.

I appreciate that it's maybe not the same in parts of England but up here it seems a bit different.

Quite sad in that respect as we're all the same deep down.

[cabbageandribs1875]

87 results left to declare

[BroxburnHibee]

ITV calls the Leave victory as now a certainty.

Unbelievable!!!!!!

[HibeeSince82]

Every scottish one a remain.

What to we get though....a leave and a gloating Farage

[Beefster]

Every scottish one a remain.

What to we get though....a leave and a gloating Farage

And eventual Scottish independence.

[Pretty Boy]

BBC call leave.

'No way Remain can win'.

[Mon Dieu4]

Games up the pole now, well the Poles probably been deported

[cabbageandribs1875]

BBC FORECAST ; UK votes to leave



873K ahead

[Bristolhibby]

Pound at lowest level since 1985.

Holiday money should be fun this year.

Was thinking the same. All my hotels in France with the family just gone up 15ish %.
Thank **** the gite is owned by Brits and I'm paying in Sterling.
Then got Malta and Slovakia with Scotland later on in the year.

J

[Pretty Boy]

Edinburgh has become a much better place since free movement. It's a real melting pot and on a night out you could be having a beer with guys from all four corners of the globe.

I appreciate that it's maybe not the same in parts of England but up here it seems a bit different.

Quite sad in that respect as we're all the same deep down.

It's interesting that a lot of the remain vote has been in places, generally speaking, seen to be positively impacted by immigration and European trade. Edinburgh and Central London particularly and to a lesser extent Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester etc.

It's the smaller ex mercantile and industrial towns, as opposed to cities, that are kicking out. Sadly as others have said they are kicking out at entirely the wrong people.

[Pretty Boy]

Was thinking the same. All my hotels in France with the family just gone up 15ish %.
Thank **** the gite is owned by Brits and I'm paying in Sterling.
Then got Malta and Slovakia with Scotland later on in the year.

J
I'm all booked up and paid but I'm hoping things stabilise quickly before spending money becomes an issue. Hopefully this is just a knee jerk reaction.

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[Smartie]

It's interesting that a lot of the remain vote has been in places, generally speaking, seen to be positively impacted by immigration and European trade. Edinburgh and Central London particularly and to a lesser extent Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester etc.

It's the smaller ex mercantile and industrial towns, as opposed to cities, that are kicking out. Sadly as others have said they are kicking out at entirely the wrong people.

Exactly how I see it.

They have problems and they most certainly have my sympathy but they've repeatedly chosen the wrong solution.

[#FromTheCapital]

Tough economic times lie ahead in the immediate future, after that it's anyone's guess. Would've voted to remain if I hadn't been delayed so badly at Heathrow yesterday, but it wasn't something I felt too strongly about either way. Be very interesting to watch the events unfold over the coming days, weeks, months and years.

As for another independence referendum, I sincerely hope not, but it certainly gives the SNP ammunition. Secretly, I think they were probably hoping for an outcome like this despite claiming allegiance to the remain side.

[Pretty Boy]

Exactly how I see it.

They have problems and they most certainly have my sympathy but they've repeatedly chosen the wrong solution.

The simple truth is that the change in immigration figures will be minimal and fine well the leave campaign know it.

The UK economy has changed since the mid 70s and particularly since the 80s through the 00s. The real issue is no party has stood up for the traditional 'working class' areas to assist with the transition. They then use the circumstances created by them and their predecessors to further their own aims through lowest common denominator politics. In their own way the Tories and Labour are every bit as bad as the likes of UKIP and the BNP.

[Pete]

The UK economy has changed since the mid 70s and particularly since the 80s through the 00s. The real issue is no party has stood up for the traditional 'working class' areas to assist with the transition. They then use the circumstances created by them and their predecessors to further their own aims through lowest common denominator politics. In their own way the Tories and Labour are every bit as bad as the likes of UKIP and the BNP.

:agree:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tough economic times lie ahead in the immediate future, after that it's anyone's guess. Would've voted to remain if I hadn't been delayed so badly at Heathrow yesterday, but it wasn't something I felt too strongly about either way. Be very interesting to watch the events unfold over the coming days, weeks, months and years.

As for another independence referendum, I sincerely hope not, but it certainly gives the SNP ammunition. Secretly, I think they were probably hoping for an outcome like this despite claiming allegiance to the remain side.


ah, so a sort of reverse psychology

[#FromTheCapital]

ah, so a sort of reverse psychology

Their number 1 goal is an Independant Scotland and if this edges them closer to another referendum then yes 'reverse psychology' it is.

[BroxburnHibee]

What a year for the underdog!!!!

[KWJ]

Well that didn't work out.

http://theweeblackbook.com/assets/images/9-vote-yes-leave-eu.png

[Smartie]

Their number 1 goal is an Independant Scotland and if this edges them closer to another referendum then yes 'reverse psychology' it is.

I appreciate this argument but I think we're all quite shocked that Leave won - Remain was the overwhelming favourite until only 5 hours or so ago. Surely if Independence at all costs was the plan then it would have made more sense for the SNP to back Leave, leaving a Remain vote to give us this reverse psychology result?

I honestly don't think the SNP could have predicted the way this result panned out?

The reason I believe in Independence is because of things like this result. I believe that there is a different set of values that bind the people of Scotland to the set of values that bind the people of England - this has largely been borne by this result (although I appreciate that this is a sweeping generalisation). That leads me to believe in Independence.

At heart I'm actually a Unionist and if there was a "much of a muchness" result across the UK then I wouldn't feel anything like as strongly about it.

[marinello59]

As for another independence referendum, I sincerely hope not, but it certainly gives the SNP ammunition. Secretly, I think they were probably hoping for an outcome like this despite claiming allegiance to the remain side.

I have no doubts that Nicola Sturgeon wanted the Remain vote to win. This really does put the leadership of the SNP in a difficult position. The pressure from within their own party for Indy Ref2 so going to be immense. It's too soon though, they really need to se a significant shift in the polls before going ahead.

[cabbageandribs1875]

and then it was ....1 million

[BroxburnHibee]

I have no doubts that Nicola Sturgeon wanted the Remain vote to win. This really does put the leadership of the SNP in a difficult position. The pressure from within their own party for Indy Ref2 so going to be immense. It's too soon though, they really need to se a significant shift in the polls before going ahead.

The timeline for this will be instigated when they invoke Article 50 to start the process for leaving. The Scottish question will need answered within the 2 years it will take for this process to take place.

Remember when the last campaign kicked off the polls put the indy vote in the low 20%'s and they nearly won.

Think there was a poll last week that had the Yes vote at 48%!!!!!

[#FromTheCapital]

I appreciate this argument but I think we're all quite shocked that Leave won - Remain was the overwhelming favourite until only 5 hours or so ago. Surely if Independence at all costs was the plan then it would have made more sense for the SNP to back Leave, leaving a Remain vote to give us this reverse psychology result?

I honestly don't think the SNP could have predicted the way this result panned out?

The reason I believe in Independence is because of things like this result. I believe that there is a different set of values that bind the people of Scotland to the people of England - this has largely been borne by this result. That leads me to believe in Independence.

At heart I'm actually a Unionist and if there was a "much of a muchness" result across the UK then I wouldn't feel anything like as strongly about it.

Yes I'm quite surprised as well tbh. And just to make it clear I genuinely think they wanted to remain, as do most scots evidently, but they won't be as disappointed as they may try to make out.

[marinello59]

The timeline for this will be instigated when they invoke Article 50 to start the process for leaving. The Scottish question will need answered within the 2 years it will take for this process to take place.

Remember when the last campaign kicked off the polls put the indy vote in the low 20%'s and they nearly won.

Think there was a poll last week that had the Yes vote at 48%!!!!!

That's why it is so difficult for Sturgeon. She wanted to wait until the polls showed a much bigger lead for Yes over the long term. Its far from ideal.

[TheReg!]

I feel smug as F££k

[Greencore]

Disgusted. Just disgusted. Good times ahead? Just wait what the tories do now. Bye bye human rights.

[BroxburnHibee]

Northern Irish will feel the same way. Already making similar noises to the SNP

[Bristolhibby]

I have no doubts that Nicola Sturgeon wanted the Remain vote to win. This really does put the leadership of the SNP in a difficult position. The pressure from within their own party for Indy Ref2 so going to be immense. It's too soon though, they really need to se a significant shift in the polls before going ahead.

Would last night not shift the polls? Cause and effect.

J

[Bristolhibby]

That's why it is so difficult for Sturgeon. She wanted to wait until the polls showed a much bigger lead for Yes over the long term. Its far from ideal.

I think we've got to be pragmatic. As mentioned, this could be the spark that narrows the polls. There clearly are two seperate countries on the Island of Great Britain now, why delay the inevitable?

J

[Beefster]

I have no doubts that Nicola Sturgeon wanted the Remain vote to win. This really does put the leadership of the SNP in a difficult position. The pressure from within their own party for Indy Ref2 so going to be immense. It's too soon though, they really need to se a significant shift in the polls before going ahead.

I suspect that the polls will shift pretty quickly. I know that I'll vote for independence from any point onwards.

You know when the folk gloating an democratic result on TV are the likes of Neil Hamilton, Teresa Villiers, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Bill Cash and Jacob Rees-Mogg something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

[cabbageandribs1875]

well, that's 2 euros down the drain

[marinello59]

Would last next not shift the polls? Cause and effect.

J

We just don't know. We would be asking people who have voted for the status quo in two recent votes to be motivated by this to vote for what they may see as a second major disruption. We also don't know how many No voters also voted Leave. Interesting times ahead.

[Vault Boy]

Being a remain voter, Labour party member and son of an EU migrant, it's safe to say I'm pretty damned disappointed by the results. The truth is, all that lies in the long term is uncertainty, but the immediate truth will be a political shakeup in Westminster (I expect at least one party coup d'etat) and an economic recession. Especially proud of my Scottish heritage right now, but considering my 'home region' in England voted at 70% for Brexit, I'm equally ashamed by my UKIP laden, socially conservative and frankly backward place of living.

Och well, England never felt like home anyway.

Mon the Hibees.

[Smartie]

Would last next not shift the polls? Cause and effect.

J

I think it will cause a shift and some people might change their mind following on from this result.

The next referendum would be a straight choice - do we prefer to be in a Union with the rest of the UK or Europe?

A very different question to the last time.

If any of the financial turmoil comes to pass over the next few months then that could push a few more towards Independence.

[marinello59]

I suspect that the polls will shift pretty quickly. I know that I'll vote for independence from any point onwards.

You know when the folk gloating an democratic result on TV are the likes of Neil Hamilton, Teresa Villiers, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Bill Cash and Jacob Rees-Mogg something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

I hope you are right.
I actually feel worse this morning than I did after the No vote.

[Vault Boy]

Northern Irish will feel the same way. Already making similar noises to the SNP

Aye, Sinn Féin will be very active and noisy in the coming months.

[Smartie]

I suspect that the polls will shift pretty quickly. I know that I'll vote for independence from any point onwards.

You know when the folk gloating an democratic result on TV are the likes of Neil Hamilton, Teresa Villiers, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Bill Cash and Jacob Rees-Mogg something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

It feels like a particularly nasty defeat to Rangers.

Gloating, evil right wing b******s who think that they are the people.

[bigwheel]

I hope you are right.
I actually feel worse this morning than I did after the No vote.

Me too - this is momentum for the worst of the right wing agenda in the UK - there will be ramifications of this for many years to come

What a depressing time

[GreenLake]

Will England be expelled from the Euros?

[Rasta_Hibs]

I think this makes the chance of Scottish independence less likely.

The EU is broken now, it would have been broken had we remained in the EU with Greece likely to default, Italy and France not exactly in good financial health.

I think we will see further referendums throughout the EU with more choosing to leave and who would blame them with shocking 50% youth unemployment in some EU states as it stands.

I think the turmoil with the EU in the future will be a big turn off in time and the Scottish voters will stick with their largest trading partner and close friends in England and the rest of the UK rather than rejoin a failed EU state.

As for the SNP I agree that they are in difficult times now, that's two referendums they have lead their supporters to a defeat. That in it's self will turn a few away from the SNP I would think.

Who knows, like Hibs winning the Scottish Cup, like the Scottish referendum, its never been done in my life time before, sailing in unchartered waters.

But the EU is massively corrupt and in time I think this will prove to be the right decision... I hope

[Bristolhibby]

It feels like a particularly nasty defeat to Rangers.

Gloating, evil right wing b******s who think that they are the people.

Great analogy!

J

[Vault Boy]

Will England be expelled from the Euros?

No.







*Until they're pumped out or lose on penalties.

[R'Albin]

I think this makes the chance of Scottish independence less likely.

The EU is broken now, it would have been broken had we remained in the EU with Greece likely to default, Italy and France not exactly in good financial health.

I think we will see further referendums throughout the EU with more choosing to leave and who would blame them with shocking 50% youth unemployment in some EU states as it stands.

I think the turmoil with the EU in the future will be a big turn off in time and the Scottish voters will stick with their largest trading partner and close friends in England and the rest of the UK rather than rejoin a failed EU state.

As for the SNP I agree that they are in difficult times now, that's two referendums they have lead their supporters to a defeat. That in it's self will turn a few away from the SNP I would think.

Who knows, like Hibs winning the Scottish Cup, like the Scottish referendum, its never been done in my life time before, sailing in unchartered waters.

But the EU is massively corrupt and in time I think this will prove to be the right decision... I hope

I don't think the SNP should suffer in any way for this. Scotland voted 62% in favour of Remain. Surely the SNP can't be expected to take the blame for England voting the other way?

[Vault Boy]

I don't think the SNP should suffer in any way for this. Scotland voted 62% in favour of Remain. Surely the SNP can't be expected to take the blame for England voting the other way?

Agree, can only see it aiding the yes campaign and indyref2. Not a single remain-voting English person will blame Scotland or NI for wanting out either. I'll be quite interested in the EU response, a few saying it could cause a domino effect but tbh I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a strong, unified response from Europe. Something like this is quite often when we see people unite, Britain's exit threatens Europe, so the EU states bound together. Who knows.

[KWJ]

Shouldn't rush into indyref 2. Despite being fully a EU supporter we might as well give this version of the UK a shot and if it's not working out we've got an almighty parachute.

[johnbc70]

I don't think there will be an EU for Scotland to go to in a few years. What a disaster.

[Pete]

Bye bye human rights.

:tee hee:

[Benny Brazil]

I don't think there will be an EU for Scotland to go to in a few years. What a disaster.

Agreed - think this could be the beginning of the end for the EU in its current form.
Am not sure whether I am surprised at the result or not - but don't think it is going to be the doomsday scenario that some people are painting it out to be.

[Greencore]

:tee hee:

?

[Pete]

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So you think that there will be no "human rights" in an independent UK?

[HiBremian]

Agree, can only see it aiding the yes campaign and indyref2. Not a single remain-voting English person will blame Scotland or NI for wanting out either. I'll be quite interested in the EU response, a few saying it could cause a domino effect but tbh I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a strong, unified response from Europe. Something like this is quite often when we see people unite, Britain's exit threatens Europe, so the EU states bound together. Who knows.

Think you're right about the EU states looking to hold the project together. But from over here (Germany and France) I see contradictions and problems. Most countries have their eurosceptic parties, seen as on the right politically, but most also have centre-right gvts watching their flank. Problem is, the source of euroscepticism lies with neoliberal economic policies, the very policies they champion. Whether Saxony in Germany, Pas de Calais in France, or Grimsby in England, the story is the same - old industries closed by neoliberal policies with little of substance to replace them. These are the areas with strong anti-EU sentiments. Would love to be proved wrong, but right now I don't see a Keynesian knight riding in to save the EU project.


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[Mr White]

Northern Irish will feel the same way. Already making similar noises to the SNP

I worry about what could happen over here as a result of this.

[Hiber-nation]

I suspect that the polls will shift pretty quickly. I know that I'll vote for independence from any point onwards.

You know when the folk gloating an democratic result on TV are the likes of Neil Hamilton, Teresa Villiers, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Bill Cash and Jacob Rees-Mogg something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

Neil Hamilton seems to be treated as a normal politician again. Scary...

[Vault Boy]

Think you're right about the EU states looking to hold the project together. But from over here (Germany and France) I see contradictions and problems. Most countries have their eurosceptic parties, seen as on the right politically, but most also have centre-right gvts watching their flank. Problem is, the source of euroscepticism lies with neoliberal economic policies, the very policies they champion. Whether Saxony in Germany, Pas de Calais in France, or Grimsby in England, the story is the same - old industries closed by neoliberal policies with little of substance to replace them. These are the areas with strong anti-EU sentiments. Would love to be proved wrong, but right now I don't see a Keynesian knight riding in to save the EU project.

Very well put. I too hope you are proven to be mistaken, but I feel you are right and at this stage the issue is systemic. Being in the heart of the most Eurosceptic area of England, it's become apparent that opposition to EU membership is something that becomes ingrained in an individual's philosophy, once someone is convinced that Europe is to blame for 'x' very rarely is that view reversed - in my experience campaigning in Norfolk and living in Essex anyway. Neo-liberalism is something I have huge personal issues with, in no small way due to the pitiful wealth distribution we see in even the most 'economically developed' countries. I've always had a problem with libertarianism being used to aggrandise the existence of extravagant wealth and market monopoly, but I suppose that comes with being a socialist.

On the whole - which I think you highlight toward the end of the paragraph, I honestly don't think most people know what they've just voted for (not saying I'm any different), a non-solution to problems that go much deeper.

[Greencore]

So you think that there will be no "human rights" in an independent UK?

I believe the human rights will not be as good compared to the European human rights.

Do you think the uk will provide a better quality of human rights compared to European human rights?

[hibsbollah]

I don't believe it. Infuriated.
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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

And eventual Scottish independence.

I dont think its is much a foregone conclusion as people think. A remain vote will certainly not automatically equate to an independence vote. Look at edinburgh for example.

On anothr note, is there something specificin the glasgow psych that means they always vote as a single block - they are like the simpsons mob!

[Vault Boy]

I believe the human rights will not be good enough compared to the European human rights.

Do you think the uk will provide better human rights ?

I think 'bye bye human rights' was probably what caused the reaction from the fellow poster. :greengrin

The issue is a fair one to raise however. I would be very skeptical of a government that will quite possibly be led by a couple of pricks who fronted a fair portion of the leave campaign - Gove and Johnson. Shudder.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I believe the human rights will not be as good compared to the European human rights.

Do you think the uk will provide a better quality of human rights compared to European human rights?

I dont see why it wouldnt?

I agree the result is disappointing, but we all need to avoid hyperbole on all sides.

Daniel Hannan MEP just spoke very well i thought

[Pete]

I believe the human rights will not be as good compared to the European human rights.

Do you think the uk will provide a better quality of human rights compared to European human rights?

Of course it will and it will be relevant.

[High-On-Hibs]

We were told to vote NO to secure our place in the European Union. A mere 2 years later and this is where we are. Surely this has to be the tipping point? How much more **** can a country take before it says enough is enough?

[mmmmhibby]

Disgusted. Just disgusted. Good times ahead? Just wait what the tories do now. Bye bye human rights.

Statements like this have no substance, none at all.

[Keith_M]

Project Fear, Scottish Independence Referendum version.


"Vote Yes and you won't be in the EU any more."


Thank goodness people listened and saved us from such a fate

[High-On-Hibs]

Project Fear, Scottish Independence Referendum version.


"Vote Yes and you won't be in the EU any more."


Thank goodness people listened and saved us from such a fate

Not to mention "to save the joabs", "to protect the NHS" and "ye canne use the poond". Arguments that are now completely redundant.

[johnbc70]

As an Indy No voter I cannot see any other outcome than a new Scottish Referendum and I would support this. My fear now is what kind of Europe would we be going into and would we want to be part of it as everything has now changed.

[johnbc70]

Not to mention "to save the joabs", "to protect the NHS" and "ye canne use the poond". Arguments that are now completely redundant.

To be fair Sturgeon told us a few days ago to vote Remain to save the NHS.

[Smartie]

I think 'bye bye human rights' was probably what caused the reaction from the fellow poster. :greengrin

The issue is a fair one to raise however. I would be very skeptical of a government that will quite possibly be led by a couple of pricks who fronted a fair portion of the leave campaign - Gove and Johnson. Shudder.

Is the result really a ringing endorsement of anyone or anything? I'm not sure anyone would really think more of Gove or Johnson or think that in any way they have credentials to lead this country.

It is a crippling blow for Cameron and Osbourne and I'll shed no tears for that.

For me, it is a blistering vote of no confidence in Westminster. Up here we have the SNP, they don't have that option down there. This seems to me to be England's (and Wales') way for delivering a meaningful protest vote.

[High-On-Hibs]

As an Indy No voter I cannot see any other outcome than a new Scottish Referendum and I would support this. My fear now is what kind of Europe would we be going into and would we want to be part of it as everything has now changed.

The kind of European Union we would be going into would be the same as it pretty much always has been. A single market, the continuation of free movement and EU legislation that can not be passed in this country unless our own elected government signs up to it.

[Vault Boy]

As an Indy No voter I cannot see any other outcome than a new Scottish Referendum and I would support this. My fear now is what kind of Europe would we be going into and would we want to be part of it as everything has now changed.

I think you will represent a great deal of no voters in indyref2. I understand what you're saying about the changing EU landscape, but coming from a very firm remain voter - the union was very far from perfect anyway as we all know. I don't think it will come anywhere close to collapse or redundancy, ultimately trade and national security are much better off for it, but significant reform can only do it good... Hopefully.

[High-On-Hibs]

To be fair Sturgeon told us a few days ago to vote Remain to save the NHS.

She was right. The NHS will be severely damaged as a result of this. Not only will there be considerably less funding, there will be less skilled migrants coming in to keep up with health care demands. The only thing that could "save" the NHS would be privatization. But then you no longer have a national health service.

[RyeSloan]

I think you will represent a great deal of no voters in indyref2. I understand what you're saying about the changing EU landscape, but coming from a very firm remain voter - the union was very far from perfect anyway as we all know. I don't think it will come anywhere close to collapse or redundancy, ultimately trade and national security are much better off for it, but significant reform can only do it good... Hopefully.

Significant reform? Even when faced with the prospect of one of its biggest members leaving they dragged Cameron across the continent then gave him nothing....that's part of the reason Leave won, the EU is probably beyond reform in its current state and the voters in the UK knew it.

A truly historical vote that will have an impact well beyond these borders and some very interesting times ahead.

[McD]

BBC suggesting that the EU could offer Britain more concessions to try to stop us leaving. Also says that we/our govt would likely reject that as it goes against the will of the people.

very very worried about what the fall out from this will look like.

[LancashireHibby]

We live in a democracy and the people have spoken. Can't say fairer than that. Looking forward to when we get to vote for the next Queen, along with the House of Lords.

[ronaldo7]

I have no doubts that Nicola Sturgeon wanted the Remain vote to win. This really does put the leadership of the SNP in a difficult position. The pressure from within their own party for Indy Ref2 so going to be immense. It's too soon though, they really need to se a significant shift in the polls before going ahead.

I only got 5 tweets yesterday to ensure we got the vote out along with several e mails in the run up to the vote, alongside the local campaigning in our ward.

This rubbish about the SNP wanting a Leave vote is exactly that...Rubbish.

As for Indy2, I believe Civic Scotland, the Trade Unions, and the politicians need to get together, and soon, to plan a way forward. This will be a grass roots movement which will then put pressure on our political leaders to act.

http://www.snp.org/scotland_voted_to_remain_in_the_eu_what_you_need_t o_know

[PeeJay]

Shocked and angered that the UK can actually make such a calamitous blunder.

Could it be that a general election will be due soon too as a 3/4 majority of the "democratically elected representatives of the UK" actually want to stay part of the EU, so that will have to be addressed, I guess?

72% seems a low turnout to me too for such an historical "battle for democracy", London wants to stay, Scotland wants to stay - 52% for is not really a clear-cut demonstration of an entire nation's will either is it?

The EU will have to strengthen its efforts to make the concept of the EU an even greater success, I'm sure we will succeed - pity the Brits won't be part of it - sad day for the UK, which will probably break up ... how will that be better for the UK?

[High-On-Hibs]

Significant reform? Even when faced with the prospect of one of its biggest members leaving they dragged Cameron across the continent then gave him nothing....that's part of the reason Leave won, the EU is probably beyond reform in its current state and the voters in the UK knew it.

A truly historical vote that will have an impact well beyond these borders and some very interesting times ahead.

Well it's a good thing that Westminster is so different and made all of these reforms to strengthen Scotlands place within the UK. Otherwise the NO vote 2 years ago would be making people look rather daft right now.....

[Ronniekirk]

Some of the figures coming out of areas in England are concerning. 70%+ for leave in a lot of areas being forecast. Even in areas they are expecting to win that's worrying.

Given the turnout it looks like leave have mobilised their vote better.

Went to bed thinking remain had won but when Ian DuncanSmith said they were getting 80 % turnouts in large council estates i began to think Leave would benefit
Just woke up and Leave have won

Scotland vote. to remain so another independence Vote
Interesting times indeed

Apart from the money markets taking the hump what has changed today For me nothing life goes on I still have a job and Hibs are still Scottish Cup winners



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[BroxburnHibee]

ITV's Robert Peston has just tweeted 'signs are that David Cameron will announce his departure after 8'

[Pretty Boy]

ITV's Robert Peston has just tweeted 'signs are that David Cameron will announce his departure after 8'
Every cloud and all that.

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[High-On-Hibs]

Every cloud and all that.

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Replaced by an even darker cloud.

[Vault Boy]

Every cloud and all that.

I despise the man but the prospects of his replacement makes me want him to stay - as the lesser of three evils.

[LancashireHibby]

Not a fan of Cameron's in the slightest, but better the devil you know and all that.

[Gatecrasher]

I didn't think this would happen at all, I thought it was going to go the same way as the Scottish referendum where it would probably end up around 45-55. You can see we are a pretty divided, you can see the obvious borders around the UK. No doubt the SNP and other will be pushing for a indyref 2 now which is right but Europe has also become less stable because of this and I would be the UK is the first of a handful of countries to hold a referendum.

[BroxburnHibee]

Every cloud and all that.

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:agree: Especially if his pal goes with him.

By the way I'm not convinced that Gove or Johnson will win any leadership contest. There's a few more probably waiting to swoop.

[RyeSloan]

Well it's a good thing that Westminster is so different and made all of these reforms to strengthen Scotlands place within the UK. Otherwise the NO vote 2 years ago would be making people look rather daft right now.....

I'm not sure what this means to be honest.

Anyone who voted No did so to stay a member of the UK. If they did that and didn't understand the implications of that in terms of UK wide votes then more fool them.

There is going to be plenty hysteria and hyperbole around today so I'll probably leave it all alone. Let's see where we are once the noise has reduced and the implications of the result are clearer then and only then should any revisit of Indy be considered. Although as ever the wonky idea of tethering ourselves to the pound (a currency vastly influenced by a now non EU country) and at the same time committing ourselves to the EU despite England being our biggest trading partner would take some explaining..

[Finn2015]

I didn't think this would happen at all, I thought it was going to go the same way as the Scottish referendum where it would probably end up around 45-55. You can see we are a pretty divided, you can see the obvious borders around the UK. No doubt the SNP and other will be pushing for a indyref 2 now which is right but Europe has also become less stable because of this and I would be the UK is the first of a handful of countries to hold a referendum.

Am I right in saying the Dutch are on the brink of announcing one? Sure I heard that they are a calling for their own referendum

[Ronniekirk]

As an Indy No voter I cannot see any other outcome than a new Scottish Referendum and I would support this. My fear now is what kind of Europe would we be going into and would we want to be part of it as everything has now changed.

What has now changed ?We aren't leaving today or next month or even next year



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[High-On-Hibs]

What has now changed ?We aren't leaving today or next month or even next year



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Yet, despite this, the pound is already plummeting. How far will it drop over the next couple of years?

[Pretty Boy]

Replaced by an even darker cloud.
After the vote last night the right, for that's who was driving the leave campaign regardless of what the token lefties will say, has been given a mandate for the forseeable future.

Cameron will have to go sooner or later, probably best it's a quick, clean kill. His social and economic views are barely more tolerable than Johnson or Gove anyway.

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[High-On-Hibs]

After the vote last night the right, for that's who was driving the leave campaign regardless of what the token lefties will say, has been given a mandate for the forseeable future.

Cameron will have to go sooner or later, probably best it's a quick, clean kill. His social and economic views are barely more tolerable than Johnson or Gove anyway.

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I don't disagree but look at the replacement. The moron would lose count of his own fingers.

[Pretty Boy]

What has now changed ?We aren't leaving today or next month or even next year



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But we are leaving. That's a change and a hugely significant one given that, according to Better Together, a No vote was the only way to secure our EU membership less than 2 years ago.

I would say some No voters may have grounds to claim they were misled.

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[calumhibee1]

So do we reckon the £ - €/$ rate will get any better over the next couple of weeks or worse?

[The_Todd]

But we are leaving. That's a change and a hugely significant one given that, according to Better Together, a No vote was the only way to secure our EU membership less than 2 years ago.

I would say some No voters may have grounds to claim they were misled.

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But they weren't mislead. A yes vote was a certain EU ejection, a no vote was the only way to have a chance of continued EU membership. Alex Salmond claimed to have "legal advice" we'd stay in, but that turned out to be an untruth.

As it stands, I don't think a new iScotland would qualify for EU membership either as our deficit is so high. Maybe the EU will bend the rules if they're desperate to keep some part of Britain in, now that the rest has voted out. We'll see.

[Ronniekirk]

Yet, despite this, the pound is already plummeting. How far will it drop over the next couple of years?

Money so they say is the root of all evil today Pink Floyd
I have no doubt things will change but hey money has never really been a motivator for me
The biggest worry for me is all the uncertainty about what may happen The money markets bit was probably the easy bit to predict in the short term


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[HiBremian]

I didn't think this would happen at all, I thought it was going to go the same way as the Scottish referendum where it would probably end up around 45-55. You can see we are a pretty divided, you can see the obvious borders around the UK. No doubt the SNP and other will be pushing for a indyref 2 now which is right but Europe has also become less stable because of this and I would be the UK is the first of a handful of countries to hold a referendum.

And the problem is, the agitation is now coming from an emboldened far right:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/european-far-right-hails-britains-brexit-vote-marine-le-pen

Welcome to your new world order, Rasta.


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[High-On-Hibs]

But they weren't mislead. A yes vote was a certain EU ejection

On what basis? At no point did they come out and point blank refuse Scotlands membership in the event of independence. I do however recall the Scottish Government bringing the question to the House of Commons who then refused to bring the question to Brussels.

Oh geez, I wonder why? :rolleyes:

[The Harp Awakes]

Deary me. The working class areas of England and Wales are well and truly stuffed now. Cue a rampant, right wing Tory/UKIP faction forming the Westminster Government for years to come with no buffering of their policies by the EU.

As for Scotland, the current constitutional set up is now unsustainable. The contrast in the political spectrum between Scotland and the rest of the UK is striking. We have resoundedly voted to stay in the EU, there is 1 Tory Westminster MP out of 69 from Scotland and there are a majority of MSPs at Holyrood from nationalist parties (SNP/Greens). The argument from Better Together in the 2014 referendum about voting No to preserve our EU membership is in tatters. A second independence referendum in the near future is now inevitable.

[Pretty Boy]

But they weren't mislead. A yes vote was a certain EU ejection, a no vote was the only way to have a chance of continued EU membership. Alex Salmond claimed to have "legal advice" we'd stay in, but that turned out to be an untruth.

As it stands, I don't think a new iScotland would qualify for EU membership either as our deficit is so high. Maybe the EU will bend the rules if they're desperate to keep some part of Britain in, now that the rest has voted out. We'll see.
It was never a certain rejection


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[Pretty Boy]

Cameron on now.

[High-On-Hibs]

Money so they say is the root of all evil today Pink Floyd
I have no doubt things will change but hey money has never really been a motivator for me
The biggest worry for me is all the uncertainty about what may happen The money markets bit was probably the easy bit to predict in the short term


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I wouldn't be taking advice or quotes from a band from the drug happy era tbh.

[Vault Boy]

Cameron is going. Unannounced as to when, but gone by October.

[Pretty Boy]

Cameron announces he will resign by October.

[ronaldo7]

Cameron on now.

Cameron off now.

[Mon Dieu4]

May the least evil tory win, whoever that will be

[marinello59]

Cameron announces he will resign by October.

To be relaxed by.... I don't even want to think about it this morning.

[Kato]

Deary me. The working class areas of England and Wales are well and truly stuffed now. Cue a rampant, right wing Tory/UKIP faction forming the Westminster Government for years to come with no buffering of their policies by the EU.

As for Scotland, the current constitutional set up is now unsustainable. The contrast in the political spectrum between Scotland and the rest of the UK is striking. We have resoundedly voted to stay in the EU, there is 1 Tory Westminster MP out of 69 from Scotland and there are a majority of MSPs at Holyrood from nationalist parties (SNP/Greens). The argument from Better Together in the 2014 referendum about voting No to preserve our EU membership is in tatters. A second independence referendum in the near future is now inevitable.

There might not even be an EU for Scotland to leave the UK and join.

[Ronniekirk]

I wouldn't be taking advice or quotes from a band from the drug happy era tbh.

And they certainly made plenty dosh out of it Woodstock was the end of an era All i am saying is its too early to really know how all this will shake down once the dust settles and people have to start getting their heads round what needs to happen going forward





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[Ryan91]

So, Dave is offski, who replaces him as PM? Hope to **** it isn't Boris Johnson

[Betty Boop]

What a disaster Black Friday right enough!

[High-On-Hibs]

So, Dave is offski, who replaces him as PM? Hope to **** it isn't Boris Johnson

It will be. His competition all backed the remain vote. The jockaphobe will walk straight into Downing Street.

[Cabbage East]

We are ****ed. This is a disaster.

[snooky]

So, Dave is offski, who replaces him as PM? Hope to **** it isn't Boris Johnson

Her Majesty will be purring with delight.
Boris is barking mad however.

[PeeJay]

Am I right in saying the Dutch are on the brink of announcing one? Sure I heard that they are a calling for their own referendum

Mr Right Wing Wilders has stated that the Netherlands will be up next for a referendum, but their constitution doesn't actually allow it ...

[pacoluna]

I can't bear looking at the newspapers today, To make things worse I work in annuities - there will be an endless stream of people with inquiries/cashing in policies etc :boo hoo:

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I suspect that the polls will shift pretty quickly. I know that I'll vote for independence from any point onwards.

You know when the folk gloating an democratic result on TV are the likes of Neil Hamilton, Teresa Villiers, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Bill Cash and Jacob Rees-Mogg something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

Maybe, but equally the uncertainty inherent in brexit could make people more conservative, at least in the shot term.

Plus, adopting the euro wouldnt be palatable?

[LancsHibs]

Yet, despite this, the pound is already plummeting. How far will it drop over the next couple of years?

The currency market is extremely sensetive to change and the result reflects this but it will climb back up quickly.

[Colr]

Her Majesty will be purring with delight.
Boris is barking mad however.

As is his wee Scottie lapdog, Gove. Mad as a box of english bull terriers. Then there's that utter ****bag Patel!!

The Labour party needs to seize the moment, ditch that middle class twat leader of theirs and get someone credible in who can relate to working class people. They need to do this now whilst the Tories tear themselves to pieces.

[PeeJay]

There might not even be an EU for Scotland to leave the UK and join.

Very unlikely that the EU will collapse just because the UK has left - at first glance it doesn't make things easier for us, but maybe the EU will be better off without the UK blocking everything and demanding special rights ... Scotland will face tough negotiations to get back in if it does become independent, pretty sure of that.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The kind of European Union we would be going into would be the same as it pretty much always has been. A single market, the continuation of free movement and EU legislation that can not be passed in this country unless our own elected government signs up to it.

Thats not true. Come on.

The EU is fundementally different to what we joined. The European Union was created specifically to extend the european project beyond a single market (thays why it ceased to be the EEC)

Then most of it became a single currency union. And it has constantly expanded, and continues to expand.

You are being disingenuous

And i though european commission directibes were binding on our parliament?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

She was right. The NHS will be severely damaged as a result of this. Not only will there be considerably less funding, there will be less skilled migrants coming in to keep up with health care demands. The only thing that could "save" the NHS would be privatization. But then you no longer have a national health service.

More groundless bluster

[Moulin Yarns]

I can't bear looking at the newspapers today, To make things worse I work in annuities - there will be an endless stream of people with inquiries/cashing in policies etc :boo hoo:

Thanks for telling me where you work, should I take all my money out of savings and put it in property, abroad :wink:

[pacoluna]

You seem to be very sure of the outcome in the referendum in Scotland. I don't think it will be a landslide remain vote in Scotland, I think it will be marginal.

But If it does play out as you say then that's the democratic wish of the people in the UK. The UK which Scotland voted to stay in and I think will continue vote to stay in the UK even if a UK leave vote happens.

Is there anyway to vote on policies within the EU? Nope.
I think my "sureness of the outcome" in scotland seems to have been proved, marginal it was not.

[Rasta_Hibs]

I think my "sureness of the outcome" in scotland seems to have been proved, marginal it was not.

Take whatever comfort you need!

[The Harp Awakes]

There might not even be an EU for Scotland to leave the UK and join.

In that case we should join the Scandinavian bloc:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Take whatever comfort you need!

Rasta, an honest question, what line of work are you in? and how do you feel it will be affected by the UK being outside the EU?

My job relies heavily on current EU legislation to function properly and if any of it is repealed then it will make it more difficult to make informed decisions and enforce.