Hamas attack on Israel

[He's here!]

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Sounds like both sides have wanted a square go for a long time.

Yes, it comes down to Iran's perceived nuclear threat. Talks with the US over a deal have all but ground to a halt and yesterday the global nuclear watchdog found Iran in breach of its nuclear proliferation agreements. Israel have been monitoring this for months and clearly felt the threat of weaponisation by Iran was too great not to take preventative action.

Most in Israel will support this 100% and while the US claim not to have backed the strikes the fact they did nothing to try and talk Israel out of them and have been evacuating US personnel for days indicates they were very much in the loop.

[Col2]

Israel have never been held to account for its genocide while most countries turned a blind eye including the UK.

Israel government can now do what it wants. I assume they and anybody else won’t have any issue with Iran fighting back as they will have “the right to defend itself”….

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Israel have never been held to account for its genocide while most countries turned a blind eye including the UK.

Israel government can now do what it wants. I assume they and anybody else won’t have any issue with Iran fighting back as they will have “the right to defend itself”….

This wasn't some random show of might. It's been years in the planning, with Mossad even constructing a secret drone base inside Iran. Whatever anyone's views on Netenyahu's goverment and whether they're prolonging the war in Gaza for political reasons, this strike on Iran is very much about Israel defending itself and will command a lot of support. The breakdown of talks between the US and Iran left Israel feeling they had to act now. Any Israeli government is likely to have acted in a similar fashion.

'The Octopus doctrine' (so named because Iran is seen as the head of the Octopus, with the tentacles representing its proxies in the Middle East...Hezbollah, Hamas, Houtis etc...) is about Israel stepping up its attacks on the head of an octopus which would like to see the Jewish race wiped off the face of the earth.

[Hibspur]

US effectively confirms it endorses the action, without officially sanctioning it:


US President Donald Trump has urged Iran to make a deal over its nuclear programme, saying he gave Tehran "chance after chance"
The talks between the US and Iran on a deal were about to enter their sixth round on Sunday.
"I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done," Trump writes on Truth Social.
"There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end," he says.
"Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE."

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I can’t be certain but there looks to be an apartment block hit.

So they’ve ****ing missed.

They certainly didn't miss. If you read about what they've hit, these were high-precision strikes which have left Iran reeling.

[Col2]

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This wasn't some random show of might. It's been months/years in the planning, with Mossad even constructing a secret drone base inside Iran. Whatever anyone's views on Netenyahu's goverment and whether they're prolonging the war in Gaza for political reasons, this strike on Iran is very much about Israel defending itself and will command a lot of support. The breakdown of talks between the US and Iran left Israel feeling they had to act now. Any Israeli government is likely to have acted in a similar fashion.

'The Octopus doctrine' (so named because Iran is seen as the head of the Octopus, with the tentacles representing its proxies in the Middle East...Hezbollah, Hamas, Houtis etc...) is about Israel stepping up its attacks on the head of an octopus which would like to see the Jewish race wiped off the face of the earth.

Your last sentence sounds like propaganda. We don’t know this. Just like we assume the jewish race don’t want to wipe the Palestine people of the face of the earth? The Israel government will continue to antagonize especially when they think they have the backing of Trump and the US. Let’s hope this country has nothing to do with it and the upcoming war.

[The Tubs]

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This wasn't some random show of might. It's been years in the planning, with Mossad even constructing a secret drone base inside Iran. Whatever anyone's views on Netenyahu's goverment and whether they're prolonging the war in Gaza for political reasons, this strike on Iran is very much about Israel defending itself and will command a lot of support. The breakdown of talks between the US and Iran left Israel feeling they had to act now. Any Israeli government is likely to have acted in a similar fashion.

'The Octopus doctrine' (so named because Iran is seen as the head of the Octopus, with the tentacles representing its proxies in the Middle East...Hezbollah, Hamas, Houtis etc...) is about Israel stepping up its attacks on the head of an octopus which would like to see the Jewish race wiped off the face of the earth.

I'm far from an apologist from the Ayatollah, but it's also about spreading chaos among their neighbours as a form of defence and projection.

Why did they not support the Obama-era deal?

[Jones28]

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They certainly didn't miss. If you read about what they've hit, these were high-precision strikes which have left Iran reeling.

You can't be precise when you're blowing something up. Nothing on the collateral damage has come out yet but there's going to be some casualties. One of the videos I saw looked like a residential street with several floors in a block of flats in pieces.

Precisions strikes its some Gulf War propagandist crap.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m a lot more comfortable with Isreal attacking Iran than the Palestinians.


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[Hibby70]

some people just want to watch the world burn. : Alfred (2008)

[Hibs4185]

Sorry to bring it around to Ukraine but I feel Russia is behind a lot of this and a strike on Iran, hinders Russia whilst also putting them in a tough position.

In all conflicts I think it’s important to look at who the winners are and I have no doubt that Hamas attacking Israel and the folwoiinh war, helps take the heat of Putin and Russia.

Russia gets drones of Iran, Russia gives Hamas and Hezbollah weapons. They even give North Korea technology, who also now have nuclear weapons. Once the thought of North Korea having nuclear weapons was unthinkable but I read the other day they have 15-20, where the headlines about that?

In essence, I truly believe Putin is behind the whole collapse of the world order in the mast couple of years by enabling Hamas and Hezbollah.

I’m not supporting Israel, far from it but ok the context of world security, I feel safer today knowing that Iran has lost capabilities and the ability to support the Russian war effort.

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Your last sentence sounds like propaganda. We don’t know this. Just like we assume the jewish race don’t want to wipe the Palestine people of the face of the earth? The Israel government will continue to antagonize especially when they think they have the backing of Trump and the US. Let’s hope this country has nothing to do with it and the upcoming war.

There will most likely be the usual token calls for de-escalation from the likes of Starmer and much of the international community, but no real condemnation. That's because they acknowledge privately that Israel is doing them a favour with its proactive measures in keeping Tehran's nuclear capabilities in check.

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I'm far from an apologist from the Ayatollah, but it's also about spreading chaos among their neighbours as a form of defence and projection.

Why did they not support the Obama-era deal?

Ending the Obama deal was one of the few things Trump did that made sense. All that deal had really done was to give Iran some breathing space under the pretence of scaling back its nuclear programe. Much of their dismantled capability was simply kept in storage, ready to be re-installed.

[Sylar]

Of course the USA effectively sanctioned this. The vast majority of the current adminstration no doubt have shares in oil firms, which will be skyrocketing today as the price of crude oil soars accordingly.

The current US Government are printing money for themselves at the expense of everyone else - from his tarriff war, to the consequences of outright war, it's only ever been about one thing.

[The Tubs]

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There will most likely be the usual token calls for de-escalation from the likes of Starmer and much of the international community, but no real condemnation. That's because they acknowledge privately that Israel is doing them a favour with its proactive measures in keeping Tehran's nuclear capabilities in check.

That's nonsense anaw. A government that's just announced risky spending plans to increase growth doesn't want higher oil prices.

[The Tubs]

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Ending the Obama deal was one of the few things Trump did that made sense. All that deal had really done was to give Iran some breathing space under the pretence of scaling back its nuclear programe. Much of their dismantled capability was simply kept in storage, ready to be re-installed.

While not an expert, as far as I'm aware, all the IAEA has now are estimates of their capability and no idea of where the stockpiles are.

[Col2]

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There will most likely be the usual token calls for de-escalation from the likes of Starmer and much of the international community, but no real condemnation. That's because they acknowledge privately that Israel is doing them a favour with its proactive measures in keeping Tehran's nuclear capabilities in check.

The only interest the Israel government have is total self interest and to ensure they stay in power and avoid being arrested due to the actions taken in Gaza. In any other country if the respective government was taking action like the genocide in Gaza the people would be on the streets demonstrating that it was not in the name of the people. Except we don’t see any of that. Israel would literally burn down the rest of the world if it felt it helped them.

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The Iranians have penetrated the “iron dome” with at least a few missiles, footage of Tel Aviv with plumes of smoke on BBC News just now.


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[Ozyhibby]

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The Iranians have penetrated the “iron dome” with at least a few missiles, footage of Tel Aviv with plumes of smoke on BBC News just now.


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Almost certainly we will find out soon enough that we were involved in defending Isreal.
Iran will exhaust itself over the next couple of days. Israeli’s will keep going until they know Iran has no nuclear programme left. There won’t be any war. Iran doesn’t really have any friends or allies left in the region.


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[SickBoy32]

Really strange thread title for a discussion regarding the ultra aggressive, genocidal, permanently problematic state of Israel.

Shameful that our tax revenues go into supporting they bampots.

[tamig]

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Really strange thread title for a discussion regarding the ultra aggressive, genocidal, permanently problematic state of Israel.

Shameful that our tax revenues go into supporting they bampots.

You can maybe gather that the thread was created after the initial attacks that triggered the appalling backlash from Netanyahu and co. These threads evolve with time. Bit like the ongoing Trump thread which is an even odder title now.

[Haymaker]

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Sorry to bring it around to Ukraine but I feel Russia is behind a lot of this and a strike on Iran, hinders Russia whilst also putting them in a tough position.

In all conflicts I think it’s important to look at who the winners are and I have no doubt that Hamas attacking Israel and the folwoiinh war, helps take the heat of Putin and Russia.

Russia is/has been desperate for the US to get involved in a a ME conflict since it invaded Ukraine. They know that defending Israel/invading Iran would mean they couldnt support Ukraine militarily or financially.

[The Tubs]

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Russia is/has been desperate for the US to get involved in a a ME conflict since it invaded Ukraine. They know that defending Israel/invading Iran would mean they couldnt support Ukraine militarily or financially.

The yanks won't even sell Ukraine patriots nowadays.

[Ozyhibby]

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The yanks won't even sell Ukraine patriots nowadays.

The US approved the transfer of $30m of weapons today.


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Russia is/has been desperate for the US to get involved in a a ME conflict since it invaded Ukraine. They know that defending Israel/invading Iran would mean they couldnt support Ukraine militarily or financially.

The US could afford to do both. Whether they would is another matter.


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[Haymaker]

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The yanks won't even sell Ukraine patriots nowadays.

Since the change of government. And a fair amount of congress still support spending in the Ukraine. A war in the Middle East that America is all in (which is any war involving Israel) suit Putin.

What I don't think Putin and his friends worldwide thought through was the European (and others) reaction to US disinterest.

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The US could afford to do both. Whether they would is another matter.


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They certainly could, especially with the love of "lend/lease" etc.

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The US approved the transfer of $30m of weapons today.


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1/4 of Wirtz. Still surprising though.

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[JimBHibees]

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Israel have never been held to account for its genocide while most countries turned a blind eye including the UK.

Israel government can now do what it wants. I assume they and anybody else won’t have any issue with Iran fighting back as they will have “the right to defend itself”….

Yep clear that having the gimp in the White House has emboldened Israel even more if that was possible