Hamas attack on Israel

[MKHIBEE]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Israel kills hungry civilians at distribution points set up and managed by Israel.

Modern day Nazis.

They have become those that they hate

[JimBHibees]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Israel kills hungry civilians at distribution points set up and managed by Israel.

Modern day Nazis.

Spot on and the rest of the world shuts their curtains

[Hibspur]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c989rl23zzno

Two more hostage bodies recovered. Hard to imagine more than a handful are still alive now.

[Dalianwanda]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c989rl23zzno

Two more hostage bodies recovered. Hard to imagine more than a handful are still alive now.

Its been said many times before but its mad how the Isrealies who were taken are called hostages yet that those that are taken by the Isrealies are called prisoners (and in much greater numbers)....Some going into camps others just vanishing never to be seen again...

[JimBHibees]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Its been said many times before but its mad how the Isrealies who were taken are called hostages yet that those that are taken by the Isrealies are called prisoners (and in much greater numbers)....Some going into camps others just vanishing never to be seen again...

Absolutely

[jamie_1875]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Its been said many times before but its mad how the Isrealies who were taken are called hostages yet that those that are taken by the Isrealies are called prisoners (and in much greater numbers)....Some going into camps others just vanishing never to be seen again...

I am not defending Israel but Hamas did take hostages in the real sense of the word, they took woman and children and even disabled children as hostages. One autistic girl they murdered as she was apparently too much hassle to look after. Has Israel done the same? I don't know the profile of the people Israel has taken but I suspect will be men with links to Hamas and terrorism, not a 70 and 72 years old married couple. As I say not defending Israel for their mass killing of Palestine people but offering an explanation for the different terminology used.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...0-palestinians


https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/...available-swap

The question is, what is the difference between an Israeli hostage and a Palestinian prisoner?

Absolutely nothing, the Palestinian prisoners have, in the main, had no trial and are detained for years in appalling conditions.

The Israeli settlements in the west bank are illegal land grabs with the ultimate aim of Palestinian eradication.

[Hibspur]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I am not defending Israel but Hamas did take hostages in the real sense of the word, they took woman and children and even disabled children as hostages. One autistic girl they murdered as she was apparently too much hassle to look after. Has Israel done the same? I don't know the profile of the people Israel has taken but I suspect will be men with links to Hamas and terrorism, not a 70 and 72 years old married couple. As I say not defending Israel for their mass killing of Palestine people but offering an explanation for the different terminology used.

I don't see that the terminology used by the media here can be perceived as favouring one side or another. In general, people taken prisoner are held in prisons or detention facilities. Hostages are not. For example, if there's a hijack they're usually held where the hijack takes place as collatoral for the hostage takers. Or as individuals they're taken somewhere hard to find.

In the case of the hostages taken by Hamas they're dispersed around Gaza, frequently underground judging by the testimonies of those released, and often in populated areas where civilian casualties will occur if rescue attempts are made.

I note, incidentally, that yesterday Israel recovered the body of one of the Thai farm workers who got taken on October 7th.

[He's here!]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I am not defending Israel but Hamas did take hostages in the real sense of the word, they took woman and children and even disabled children as hostages. One autistic girl they murdered as she was apparently too much hassle to look after. Has Israel done the same? I don't know the profile of the people Israel has taken but I suspect will be men with links to Hamas and terrorism, not a 70 and 72 years old married couple. As I say not defending Israel for their mass killing of Palestine people but offering an explanation for the different terminology used.

I read recently that Benjamin Netanyahu's brother Yoni was killed while leading the Israeli commando raid to free the hostages at Entebbe airport hijacked by Palestinian (and possibly German?) terrorists in the 1970s.

Think Idi Amin gave the hijackers permission to land in Uganda. It was made into a film starring Charles Bronson, although I'm not sure which part he played.

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I read recently that Benjamin Netanyahu's brother Yoni was killed while leading the Israeli commando raid to free the hostages at Entebbe airport hijacked by Palestinian (and possibly German?) terrorists in the 1970s.

Think Idi Amin gave the hijackers permission to land in Uganda. It was made into a film starring Charles Bronson, although I'm not sure which part he played.

The hostage taking was a joint 'venture' by the PFLP (Palestine) and RAF* (Germany)

I think the aim was to trade the hostages for multiple prisoners held in Israel and elsewhere.



* The 'Red Army Faction', referred to in the UK as the 'Baader-Meinhof gang'.

[18Craig75]

So the Freedom Flotilla vessel Madeline, carrying vital aid supplies but more importantly hope for Gaza, was set upon by the rogue genocidal state. Reports of 5 speed boats surrounding the vessel and a white substance sprayed onto the ship from quadcopters, then the activists on board arrested.

This was a ship flying a UK flag.

[Hibspur]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

So the Freedom Flotilla vessel Madeline, carrying vital aid supplies but more importantly hope for Gaza, was set upon by the rogue genocidal state. Reports of 5 speed boats surrounding the vessel and a white substance sprayed onto the ship from quadcopters, then the activists on board arrested.

This was a ship flying a UK flag.

Whatever your views on Gaza, there's no scandalous injustice here. Nobody seriously thinks a non-military boat is going to be able to sail into a war zone. It's a publicity stunt by Greta Thunberg & co. They will have known fine well what was going to happen and you can see that their videos about being intercepted are pre-recorded. Show's over now and they've achieved what they wanted from it. The aid they were bringing (less than a truckload according to Israel) is reported to be getting unloaded and distributed in Gaza via official channels, so seems a decent enough result for them overall.

[tamig]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Whatever your views on Gaza, there's no scandalous injustice here. Nobody seriously thinks a non-military boat is going to be able to sail into a war zone. It's a publicity stunt by Greta Thunberg & co. They will have known fine well what was going to happen and you can see that their videos about being intercepted are pre-recorded. Show's over now and they've achieved what they wanted from it. The aid they were bringing (less than a truckload according to Israel) is reported to be getting unloaded and distributed in Gaza via official channels, so seems a decent enough result for them overall.

Distributed in Gaza via “official” channels? A decent enough result? Highly doubtful.

[Hibspur]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Distributed in Gaza via “official” channels? A decent enough result? Highly doubtful.

Perhaps, but the cargo wasn't really the issue. Manufactured shock/keeping Gaza high profile was what they were aiming for so job done. Fair play to them. Personally I've always found Thunberg a bit irritating and the pics of her in her de rigueur Arab keffiyeh in a Titanic-style pose at the bow of the boat are a bit much, but plenty people still seem to lap her up, so each to their own.

[grunt]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

In general, people taken prisoner are held in prisons or detention facilities. Hostages are not.

Yeah, why aren't the Palestinians using all those prison buildings that haven't been razed to the ground by Israeli bombs?

[grunt]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Personally I've always found Thunberg a bit irritating ...

Why am I not surprised?

[He's here!]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

So the Freedom Flotilla vessel Madeline, carrying vital aid supplies but more importantly hope for Gaza, was set upon by the rogue genocidal state. Reports of 5 speed boats surrounding the vessel and a white substance sprayed onto the ship from quadcopters, then the activists on board arrested.

This was a ship flying a UK flag.

Greta Thunberg on board I see. Thought climate change was her thing?

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Greta Thunberg on board I see. Thought climate change was her thing?

Does she have to be single issue?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Stick]

I don’t understand what the labour government are doing when they sanction 2 Israeli ministers, and at the same time continue to supply weapon parts. probably trying to sit on the fence so they can say, “we showed we were against Israel”, when that narrative suits, but can also say “we supported Israel”, when that narrative suits.

[Hibspur]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Does she have to be single issue?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Imagine she'd be a bit disgruntled getting deported on a fuel-guzzling passenger jet.

[Jones28]

Israel have launched attacks on Iran.

Unverified reports saying civilians have been killed, including children.

[Scorrie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Israel have launched attacks on Iran.

Unverified reports saying civilians have been killed, including children.

Targeted Iran nuclear facilities apparently

[Jones28]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Targeted Iran nuclear facilities apparently

I can’t be certain but there looks to be an apartment block hit.

So they’ve ****ing missed.

[Logie Green]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I can’t be certain but there looks to be an apartment block hit.

So they’ve ****ing missed.

Relax. They’ll open an enquiry, again.

[Scorrie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I can’t be certain but there looks to be an apartment block hit.

So they’ve ****ing missed.

Yep. That’s why I used the word “apparently”. They’ve taken out a lot more besides

[He's here!]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Targeted Iran nuclear facilities apparently

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg0yywr4no

Took out the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Not someone you'd spend much time mourning. He'd have happily bombed the UK out of existence.

It's what comes next in terms of all-out war that's the concern now.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg0yywr4no

Took out the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Not someone you'd spend much time mourning. He'd have happily bombed the UK out of existence.

It's what comes next in terms of all-out war that's the concern now.

Iran doesn’t have the ability to respond that way. They might send some missiles and drones but it won’t do any real harm.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Jones28]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg0yywr4no

Took out the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Not someone you'd spend much time mourning. He'd have happily bombed the UK out of existence.

It's what comes next in terms of all-out war that's the concern now.

Sounds like both sides have wanted a square go for a long time.

[Jones28]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Iran doesn’t have the ability to respond that way. They might send some missiles and drones but it won’t do any real harm.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not convinced thats the case Ozy, needs someone more professional than me to be certain but haven't Iran got something like half a million full time soldiers?

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not convinced thats the case Ozy, needs someone more professional than me to be certain but haven't Iran got something like half a million full time soldiers?

There is no way they have the logistic capability to cross over Iraq and Syria to get to Isreal. Only the US has that. And even they would struggle to invade Iran.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk