Managerial Sack Race

[Paul1642]

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Certainly is going by this …

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...naismith-poll/

Seems a bit like our sacking of Jack Ross / Aberdeen’s sacking of Derek McInnes if they pull the trigger any time soon.

He took them 12 points clear in 3rd and had the 3rd best goal difference in the league by 10 goals just a few months ago.

Doesn’t bother me either way if he stays of goes but from the outside looking in it seems pretty knee jerk.

[Heisenberg]

It is very funny that Hearts have been getting all sorts of praise for the business they’d done and they’ve gone on to make a worse start to the season than us.

[Donegal Hibby]

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Seems a bit like our sacking of Jack Ross / Aberdeen’s sacking of Derek McInnes if they pull the trigger any time soon.

He took them 12 points clear in 3rd and had the 3rd best goal difference in the league by 10 goals just a few months ago.

Doesn’t bother me either way if he stays of goes but from the outside looking in it seems pretty knee jerk.

I have no sympathy for Naismith as I think he’s a nasty piece but your right .I do feel that’s what’s wrong now in football in it’s become so ruthless on a manager’s position were they are given so little time now .

[Paul1642]

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I have no sympathy for Naismith as I think he’s a nasty piece but your right .I do feel that’s what’s wrong now in football in it’s become so ruthless on a manager’s position were they are given so little time now .

Yep. Credit in the bank no longe seems to be a consideration.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

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Yep. Credit in the bank no longe seems to be a consideration.

TBF they’re not used to having credit in the bank.

[SteveHFC]

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A tough weekend for bald headed managers.

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Bald headed managers aren’t the answer.

[Waxy]

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Bald headed managers aren’t the answer.

Rather things went smooth than get a bit hairy

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Seems a bit like our sacking of Jack Ross / Aberdeen’s sacking of Derek McInnes if they pull the trigger any time soon.

He took them 12 points clear in 3rd and had the 3rd best goal difference in the league by 10 goals just a few months ago.

Doesn’t bother me either way if he stays of goes but from the outside looking in it seems pretty knee jerk.

Not for me. Terrible runs of form like the one they’re on can very quickly put you out of contention for where you want to be. They picked up 68 points last season and will be hoping for similar this year. They’re already at the point where that would require something along the lines of 20 wins, 7 draws and 7 defeats from their remaining 34 games.

Theres a hell of a lot to play for when it comes to European spots. None of us, Hearts or Aberdeen can just afford to sit and write these things off for a season. If they don’t pick up over the next few games he’ll be gone and can have no complaints.

[Pytheas]

I wish nothing but bad things professionally for that ****bag but objectively it would be mad to sack him now.

They could have sacked him last November there was massive calls to do just that, I think i'm right in saying we went into December ahead of them, he then made them click and they couldn't stop winning.

If turning it around once and running away in 3rd, which is every non-glasgow team's objective, doesn't buy you time then what does.

Gray to end his career with a 6-1 demolition next Derby at ER.

[He's here!]

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Ten Haag will be gone by xmas. A lot of similarities, IMO, to Lee Johnson. Lots of talk and an ability to pull out a win when needed to delay the inevitable.

He's actually a good manager. So's Clement. But they're in jobs where anything other than winning the title - and pretty much everything else - is abject failure. Breathing space is at a premium. Both Man U and Rangers need a reset but the pressure is too intense to allow for it.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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He's actually a good manager. So's Clement. But they're in jobs where anything other than winning the title - and pretty much everything else - is abject failure. Breathing space is at a premium. Both Man U and Rangers need a reset but the pressure is too intense to allow for it.

United, and seemingly their supporters, have actually shown remarkable patience with him.

Their league record since the start of last season is embarassing.

[HoboHarry]

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He's actually a good manager. So's Clement. But they're in jobs where anything other than winning the title - and pretty much everything else - is abject failure. Breathing space is at a premium. Both Man U and Rangers need a reset but the pressure is too intense to allow for it.

Agree to an extent, Clement is trying to manage with his hands tied behind his back financially. United don't have that problem albeit the have to stay within the fair play regulations.

[007]

Could be Postman Frankie leading them into Europe again.

[K-Zazu]

Any manager that wears a Lyle and Scott hoodie in 2024 deserves to be sacked imo

[Donegal Hibby]

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Read that Mcbookie have odds on the first manager sacked in the Scottish Premier and Gray is favourite at 7/2 …

Goodwin 4/1 .
Kettlewell 4/1 .
Levein 5/1 .
Clement 10/1.
Robinson 16/1 .
Nae badges 16/1.
Docherty 16/1.
Mcinnes 25/1.
Thelin 25/1 .
Rodgers 33/1 .

10/1 for clement looks good .

Some fairly noticeable changes on this since I posted it with Mcbookies . It’s now …..

Nae badges 1/2 ( from 6/4 on Friday) .
Clement 6/1 ( from 20/1 on Friday) .
Levein 7/1 .
Gray 8/1 .
Cowie 14/1 .
Robinson 20/1 .
Goodwin 25/1 .
Kettlewell 25/1 .
Docherty 33/1.
McInnes 33/1 .
Thelin 50/1.
Rodgers 50/1 .

[Paul1642]

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Not for me. Terrible runs of form like the one they’re on can very quickly put you out of contention for where you want to be. They picked up 68 points last season and will be hoping for similar this year. They’re already at the point where that would require something along the lines of 20 wins, 7 draws and 7 defeats from their remaining 34 games.

Theres a hell of a lot to play for when it comes to European spots. None of us, Hearts or Aberdeen can just afford to sit and write these things off for a season. If they don’t pick up over the next few games he’ll be gone and can have no complaints.

Whist i agree with this to some degree, this flip side of the argument is that managers are now rarely given time to turn things around and a new manager is by no means guaranteed to sort things out immediately, if at all.

I really hate to use Jack Ross as the example because it’s been done to death and we will never know what would have happened if he stayed, but look what happened when he was sacked without being given time to sort it out. We got through the next 3 managers in very quick succession with the 4th still TBC.

Aberdeen situation with McInnes very similar after years of good results.

When Gray was given the job many people on here, myself included agreed that unless we are in real danger of relegation he needs to be given the full season at a minimum regardless of if we’re achieving our goals or not. The constant changing of mangers can be a sort term fix (or not) but often causes long term decline.

[Baader]

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Any manager that wears a Lyle and Scott hoodie in 2024 deserves to be sacked imo

🤣 Bizarre choice of attire for a manager. Doesn't exactly command authority or respect...

[Just_Jimmy]

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United, and seemingly their supporters, have actually shown remarkable patience with him.

Their league record since the start of last season is embarassing.

United had horrendous injuries last season and he rarely got his best 11 on the park. The FA cup final was as close to that as all season and he delivered a result against the best club side and massive rivals.

United fans also understand more than most about backing a manager and giving him time.

That said, I'm concerned after this season start. I don't see anyone else out there to bring in however.

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[Just_Jimmy]

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Whist i agree with this to some degree, this flip side of the argument is that managers are now rarely given time to turn things around and a new manager is by no means guaranteed to sort things out immediately, if at all.

I really hate to use Jack Ross as the example because it’s been done to death and we will never know what would have happened if he stayed, but look what happened when he was sacked without being given time to sort it out. We got through the next 3 managers in very quick succession with the 4th still TBC.

Aberdeen situation with McInnes very similar after years of good results.

When Gray was given the job many people on here, myself included agreed that unless we are in real danger of relegation he needs to be given the full season at a minimum regardless of if we’re achieving our goals or not. The constant changing of mangers can be a sort term fix (or not) but often causes long term decline.

Gray should never have been given the job, however, that's been done to death and he has it now.

I agree, back him unless it's completely burst. There's got to be obvious growth and improvement however, or else we're betting on three legged donkey.

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[HoboHarry]

Steve Bruce has landed the Blackpool gig.

[04Sauzee]

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Steve Bruce has landed the Blackpool gig.

Donkey on the pleasure beach?

[Keepthefaith]

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Gray should never have been given the job, however, that's been done to death and he has it now.

I agree, back him unless it's completely burst. There's got to be obvious growth and improvement however, or else we're betting on three legged donkey.

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And should Kieran McKenna have been given the Ipswich job? No prior managerial experience yet took them up two seasons running.

We really should be getting behind Gray unequivocally and the team will naturally have a better chance of succeeding than if we perpetuate the toxicity so far.

Maybe you'd rather we had someone with experience like Steve Bruce?! As a Newcastle supporter also, I wouldn't recommend it... experience isn't everything.

[ChilliEater]

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Donkey on the pleasure beach?

Fancy that - world wide search for a new boss and the right guy was on the beach all along 😄

[Iain G]

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Fancy that - world wide search for a new boss and the right guy was on the beach all along 😄

Was there with his Spanish assistant manager, Donkey Xote...

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Whist i agree with this to some degree, this flip side of the argument is that managers are now rarely given time to turn things around and a new manager is by no means guaranteed to sort things out immediately, if at all.

I really hate to use Jack Ross as the example because it’s been done to death and we will never know what would have happened if he stayed, but look what happened when he was sacked without being given time to sort it out. We got through the next 3 managers in very quick succession with the 4th still TBC.

Aberdeen situation with McInnes very similar after years of good results.

When Gray was given the job many people on here, myself included agreed that unless we are in real danger of relegation he needs to be given the full season at a minimum regardless of if we’re achieving our goals or not. The constant changing of mangers can be a sort term fix (or not) but often causes long term decline.

The majority of managers don’t really turn things around imo. Holding out hope that a failing manager is suddenly going to work things out is unlikely I reckon.

Jack Ross and McInnes being sacked is completely irrelevant to how the next managers performed. The issue there was the appointments, not the fact these guys were sacked. if we’d appointed a good manager then we’d have likely improved, same with Aberdeen. Instead we’ve both appointed numerous crap managers.

[easty]

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And should Kieran McKenna have been given the Ipswich job? No prior managerial experience yet took them up two seasons running.

We really should be getting behind Gray unequivocally and the team will naturally have a better chance of succeeding than if we perpetuate the toxicity so far.

Maybe you'd rather we had someone with experience like Steve Bruce?! As a Newcastle supporter also, I wouldn't recommend it... experience isn't everything.

Kieran McKenna - retired from playing in 2009 at 22 year old. Did a Sports Science degree and while studying he worked as a youth coach at Leicester, Forest, Vancouver Whitecaps and Spurs. When he qualified he was given the Head of Youth Academy Performance Analysis job at Spurs. Then under 18s team manager. Then in 2015 he left Spurs and took the Man Utd under 18s team manager job. In 2018 he was made a first team coach at Man Utd under Mourinho, who also appointed him assistant manager. He went on to be assistant manager to Solskjær and Ragnick, before leaving to take the Ipswich job in December 2021. He got his UEFA pro licence in 2017.

David Gray - retired from playing in 2021 and has been first team coach at Hibs for 3 years. Not yet got his UEFA pro licence.

I’m all for backing whoever is in charge at Hibs, and giving them a chance, but to compare Gray to McKenna is just wrong.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Kieran McKenna - retired from playing in 2009 at 22 year old. Did a Sports Science degree and while studying he worked as a youth coach at Leicester, Forest, Vancouver Whitecaps and Spurs. When he qualified he was given the Head of Youth Academy Performance Analysis job at Spurs. Then under 18s team manager. Then in 2015 he left Spurs and took the Man Utd under 18s team manager job. In 2018 he was made a first team coach at Man Utd under Mourinho, who also appointed him assistant manager. He went on to be assistant manager to Solskjær and Ragnick, before leaving to take the Ipswich job in December 2021. He got his UEFA pro licence in 2017.

David Gray - retired from playing in 2021 and has been first team coach at Hibs for 3 years. Not yet got his UEFA pro licence.

I’m all for backing whoever is in charge at Hibs, and giving them a chance, but to compare Gray to McKenna is just wrong.

Forgetting the David Gray side of it, I think a lot of people seem to think that everyone who has never been first team manager are all equal and starting from the same place. That really couldn’t be further from the truth.

You’ve got guys who have been manager of a youth team, a reserve team, guys who have been assistant manager, guys with degrees, guys without degrees, guys with the pro licence, guys without it, guys who have been part of coaching staff at an extremely high level club, guys who have learned off Jose Mourinho compared to guys that have learned off Nick Montgomery etc, guys who’s time on a coaching staff has coincided with sporting success, guys who’s time on a coaching staff has coincided with sporting failure and the fact those two things likely bring many different attributes to the table regardless of what side of the fence you fall on.

The idea that all managers coming into their first job are comparable is just daft.

[CropleyWasGod]

Neil Collins the new Raith head coach.

[theonlywayisup]

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Some fairly noticeable changes on this since I posted it with Mcbookies . It’s now …..

Nae badges 1/2 ( from 6/4 on Friday) .
Clement 6/1 ( from 20/1 on Friday) .
Levein 7/1 .
Gray 8/1 .
Cowie 14/1 .
Robinson 20/1 .
Goodwin 25/1 .
Kettlewell 25/1 .
Docherty 33/1.
McInnes 33/1 .
Thelin 50/1.
Rodgers 50/1 .

Goodwin has started well at Dundee United. Two wins and two draws in the league and through to the Quarter Finals of the League Cup. Next up is The Rangers at Tannadice. They'll fancy taking something from that game.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Whist i agree with this to some degree, this flip side of the argument is that managers are now rarely given time to turn things around and a new manager is by no means guaranteed to sort things out immediately, if at all.

I really hate to use Jack Ross as the example because it’s been done to death and we will never know what would have happened if he stayed, but look what happened when he was sacked without being given time to sort it out. We got through the next 3 managers in very quick succession with the 4th still TBC.

Aberdeen situation with McInnes very similar after years of good results.

When Gray was given the job many people on here, myself included agreed that unless we are in real danger of relegation he needs to be given the full season at a minimum regardless of if we’re achieving our goals or not. The constant changing of mangers can be a sort term fix (or not) but often causes long term decline.

Ross was hampered as soon as the Gordons walked through the door. He showed what he could do the season before they started meddling, but as soon as they could get their hands on running the club, and bringing in players they wanted, Ross was like the managers that came after him, managing with his hands tied behind his back.