Tories are still lying *******s

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Victoria Atkins resigns as Home Office Minister.

16 now. He has to either resign or go for the GE soon. He’s in danger of bleeding out.


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16 now. He has to either resign or go for the GE soon. He’s in danger of bleeding out.


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How can he fight an election with (probably now less than) half a party?

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How can he fight an election with (probably now less than) half a party?

They'd have to support him or none of them will be in power.

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Simon Fell Tory MP

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John Glen resigns must have The Right Stuff.

Boris tried to give Glen a pay rise last year (to be paid as a minister of state, the mid level of ministerial pay). Rather than accept the pay raise, Glen decided to work for free.

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Jo Churchill Tory MP

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Julian Sturdy Tory MP

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Will be sorry to see Boris go but it’s inevitable now.

I'd have thought it would be only non-Tories who would be sorry to see him go. Maybe the sycophants he keeps closest to him who are unemployable anywhere else.

What specifically about him is it that you'll be sorry to see go? From where I'm looking, apart from the flag waving English nationalism and being an Etonian, he seems to be completely at odds in almost every way with what the Tory party should be?

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That should also have at the bottom, "and you pay to heat them!"

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I'd have thought it would be only non-Tories who would be sorry to see him go. Maybe the sycophants he keeps closest to him who are unemployable anywhere else.

What specifically about him is it that you'll be sorry to see go? From where I'm looking, apart from the flag waving English nationalism and being an Etonian, he seems to be completely at odds in almost every way with what the Tory party should be?

I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

Respectfully, I could barely disagree more. Especially the bit about how he “could have been honest”.

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Housing minister now gone. Think that’s just a tradition to change that post every couple of months to be fair.
18 now the total.


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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

He’s caused chaos with Brexit!!

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

Brexit - without wishing to get into a debate on it, I don't think he's done very well on that front at all. My thoughts on the matter would pretty much be the same as those aired by Michael Heseltine last night.

Covid - I thought he was an absolute catastrophe. The wrong man to be leading us through such an important time and I think any of the Prime Ministers we've had during my lifetime would have dealt with it much better than he did.

Ukraine - I think he's had a decent war, after a poor start. He kind of had to let his pals get their affairs in order though, given how compromised he was by Russian money. Not sure how much I can really think of him happily taking all that cash and then trusting him to maintain his position long term though.

As a personality - I quite like an affable, amiable, blustering character and don't really have a problem with the way he comes across. It needs to be backed up by an element of competence though, even if it's just surrounding yourself with folk who know what they're doing.

Partygate - he just didn't read the room, but that's not something I think he has enough awareness to do. Had he been getting enough right elsewhere I think there might be room for forgiveness on partygate but he hasn't. I also think his tendency to use then discard dangerous people like Dominic Cummings has helped him make formidable enemies, this ensuring that partygate was blown up into something that it might not have under other circumstances.


I think there's a naivety about him that's just mind-boggling. This is a situation entirely of his own making and I'm finding it hard to find any sort of sympathy for him.


He won't be any sort of a loss for anyone if he goes, other than his political opponents and the weirdos he's surrounded himself with.

Whilst I'm not a Tory myself, I retain a "relatively" open mind regarding politics that aren't necessarily my own. The idea of a centre right government who act with a bit of integrity isn't something that horrifies me as much as it horrifies most on here. To get one of those from where we are now would be a colossal lurch in the right direction.

Hopefully we might get one of those. And then we can work on getting something better than that.

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

I'll give you "enthusiasm" ... he's an enthusiastically ****** useless, venal, corrupt, lying *****.

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid,.

Northern Ireland protocol, economy tanking, international reputation in tatters.

180k plus dead.

What would he have to do for you to consider him a failure?

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

He's a clown. He's a bumbling idiot. He cannot form a sentence without stuttering. He lies at every turn. He takes everyone for fools. He couldn't give a toss about you or me. He's not a man of the people, he's an elitist moron who's only ever got anywhere due to the old boys club.

He's everything that's wrong with this country.

I do not now, nor have I ever, understood how ANYONE thinks he is fit to be prime minister. I believe it stands for something as an office.

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I'll give you "enthusiasm" ... he's an enthusiastically ****** useless, venal, corrupt, lying *****.

On COVID he should be up in court facing trial of death by gross incompetence.

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent.

I like his vision for the future and his enthusiasm.

The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all. He could and should have just been honest from the get go and the public would have let him off with it.

That’s why he was so popular at first. He wasn’t like other politicians in that he could say things we didn’t like to hear but would accept them from him.

As for now, the knives are well and truly out and I can’t see a way he stays in office.

Total cluster xxxx all round.

He lied about it but if he hadn't lied about breaking the rules the public would have let him off? Even if he broke the rules?

I don't think so.

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Whilst I'm not a Tory myself, I retain a "relatively" open mind regarding politics that aren't necessarily my own. The idea of a centre right government who act with a bit of integrity isn't something that horrifies me as much as it horrifies most on here. To get one of those from where we are now would be a colossal lurch in the right direction.

Hopefully we might get one of those. And then we can work on getting something better than that.

All fair points, I just removed some of it to save repeating your whole post.

I think it’s been a wasted opportunity. He had such a large majority with the country overwhelmingly behind him to get things done.

He just totally screwed it up though. I don’t buy into the whole ‘he doesn’t care about anyone’ line.

I’ll happily accept that every single MP in Westminster wants what’s best for the e country. They just have different views on how to get there.

All the Eaton toff bogeyman stuff is just toys out the pram.

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He lied about it but if he hadn't lied about breaking the rules the public would have let him off? Even if he broke the rules?

I don't think so.

He didn't just break the rules. He wrote the rules for everyone else but considered (and in fact, by all accounts still considers) himself a special case who should be exempt from them.

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I think on the important stuff - Brexit, Covid, Ukraine - he’s been excellent ... The partygate stuff didn’t bother me at all.

I can't even begin to think how to respond to this, other than to say I'm flabbergasted.

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I think it’s been a wasted opportunity. He had such a large majority with the country overwhelmingly behind him to get things done.

He got in on 43% of the votes, and just 25% of the votes in Scotland. Hardly "overwhelmingly behind him".

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Well-placed source convinced Boris Johnson won’t quit, even if the 22 change the rules, and he loses a VONC.

Instead, he’ll claim he has a mandate from 14m voters, and will threaten to force an election - but not before deselecting everyone who voted against him

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I’ll happily accept that every single MP in Westminster wants what’s best for the e country. They just have different views on how to get there.

Johnson famously wrote two articles before the Brexit vote, supporting diametrically opposite views. He chose the one that gave him the best chance of personal progression. So how does this demonstrate wanting "what's best for the country"?

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He’s caused chaos with Brexit!!

He's caused chaos with everything

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