Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[wookie70]

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What evidence have you got that the double jabbed appear to be completely fearless? There's a stronger case to say it's the unvaccinated who are fearless, otherwise they would have got the vaccine. How are the double jabbed any more likely to come along regardless of how they feel? You're making stuff up.

Sounds like you are saying distancing should be reintroduced. Surely you're not suggesting it is better to go back to that so that the unvaccinated can attend?

What are the behaviours you're referring to that are pretty much gone?

From what I can see behaviour, excepting masks, is pretty much what it would be if there was no Covid. That is in all age groups so given 82% of adults are vaccinated then the vast majority I witness when I have to nip to the shops are vaccinated. If I did, I was probably wrong to suggest the vaccinated are more likely to have changed behaviours than those that haven't been jagged. However, I remember the way many colleagues and other friends and acquaintances changed habits after vaccination by going out more and joining mates they hadn't seen for ages. What I am saying is behaviours, most of which were very effective in stopping the spread, have been forgotten and ignored en masse and the vast majority of those who are ignoring any distancing and heading into indoor areas etc with mates are vaccinated. Given that I'm absolutely saying that distancing should be reintroduced. It is by far the most effective way of stopping the spread. If the government care about reducing numbers of citizens dying they need to consider more lockdowns, they are more bothered about commerce than death of citizens though.

I have no issues with actions which will have obvious benefits even if it means I lose some liberty, as long as that is done with equality in mind. Most of the restrictions were done with rules that I could understand and exemptions were generally about what role in society you had. I think I supported them all even the ones that seemed senseless. I could buy into that and it worked incredibly well. This measure won't have much if any impact on Covid imo. The virus is gaining strength and another new strain is already in England. The vaccine is losing the race at least in terms of people being infected. Yes, the vaccine has been very positive but to me the time is right to think about bringing back distancing and closing down pubs, clubs and other indoor venues that are not essential. Then maybe have a look at outdoor activities. This new rule has nothing to do with the spread of Covid though imo.

[ancient hibee]

Is it not a major problem that football clubs or the SFA in the case of Hampden do not have IT systems to scan the certificates?

[Sir David Gray]

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The vote has happened, there will be no 8 week notice.

There will be thousands of fans in your position, and those who have no jabs at all, who now find themselves with tickets and unable to get in. Every one of them must be offered a full refund, as the goalposts have moved.

As much as I agree with the introduction of this measure I do agree that any season ticket holder who is unvaccinated and therefore banned from Easter Road absolutely must get a refund due to there being such a fundamental change in the condition of entry since the season tickets went on sale.

It's not Hibs' fault and my sympathy for those who have refused to be vaccinated is very limited but refunds will need to be offered here I'd have thought.

[The dalmeny]

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From what I can see behaviour, excepting masks, is pretty much what it would be if there was no Covid. That is in all age groups so given 82% of adults are vaccinated then the vast majority I witness when I have to nip to the shops are vaccinated. If I did, I was probably wrong to suggest the vaccinated are more likely to have changed behaviours than those that haven't been jagged. However, I remember the way many colleagues and other friends and acquaintances changed habits after vaccination by going out more and joining mates they hadn't seen for ages. What I am saying is behaviours, most of which were very effective in stopping the spread, have been forgotten and ignored en masse and the vast majority of those who are ignoring any distancing and heading into indoor areas etc with mates are vaccinated. Given that I'm absolutely saying that distancing should be reintroduced. It is by far the most effective way of stopping the spread. If the government care about reducing numbers of citizens dying they need to consider more lockdowns, they are more bothered about commerce than death of citizens though.

I have no issues with actions which will have obvious benefits even if it means I lose some liberty, as long as that is done with equality in mind. Most of the restrictions were done with rules that I could understand and exemptions were generally about what role in society you had. I think I supported them all even the ones that seemed senseless. I could buy into that and it worked incredibly well. This measure won't have much if any impact on Covid imo. The virus is gaining strength and another new strain is already in England. The vaccine is losing the race at least in terms of people being infected. Yes, the vaccine has been very positive but to me the time is right to think about bringing back distancing and closing down pubs, clubs and other indoor venues that are not essential. Then maybe have a look at outdoor activities. This new rule has nothing to do with the spread of Covid though imo.

total melodrama

[Rocky]

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Not read previous posts and not sure if this has been mentioned, but they might have gave us at least 8 weeks notice, so that those people who haven't had any jags, can go get double jabbed in time for this coming into place. I just bought a scotland ticket the other day and now won't be able to attend as ive only had one jab. Dissapointing news, they are now pretty much forcing you into it which I'm a bit uncomfortable with.

I wonder if they might include a grace period of ten weeks or so where people can be allowed in provided they've had a first jag plus have evidence of a negative lateral flow test. Might be too complicated to administer though.

[jgl07]

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Yeah, there's stuff that doesn't appear to make much sense. In saying that I suppose they have to draw the line somewhere.

As an aside, passes here were meant for all indoor public events of over 50 people. Most cinemas started putting on pass free showings restricted to less than 50 people (no big deal in July/August). That loophole was quickly closed.

As for Easter Road (for example). I've seen people rightly saying that a crowd could be borderline 10k so what happens. Here it's the capacity of the event that counts, not the eventual attendance.

That could be dealt with by some clubs by closing a stand ‘for urgent repairs’! It will be easy for Dundee United, Dundee, Motherwell, and St Mirren to comply. Ross County are probably exempt.

The crash stupidity of using raw capacity regardless of the spacing sums up how Scottish governance has been dumbed down.

Has anyone produced an iota of evidence that COVID transmission happens out of doors in a football stadium? If so I haven’t seen it.

[green day]

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The vote has happened, there will be no 8 week notice.

There will be thousands of fans in your position, and those who have no jabs at all, who now find themselves with tickets and unable to get in. Every one of them must be offered a full refund, as the goalposts have moved.

Perhaps they should have got themselves jagged and not been stupid? It's been obvious for several weeks that this was happening, in England and here too.

And, based on population numbers vaccinated there is no chance there are thousands impacted at Easter road.

Honestly, some people just want to make a drama where none exists.

[wookie70]

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As much as I agree with the introduction of this measure I do agree that any season ticket holder who is unvaccinated and therefore banned from Easter Road absolutely must get a refund due to there being such a fundamental change in the condition of entry since the season tickets went on sale.

It's not Hibs' fault and my sympathy for those who have refused to be vaccinated is very limited but refunds will need to be offered here I'd have thought.

Why restrict full refunds to the unvaccinated

[gbhibby]

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Easy peasey- set up a body scanner at the turnstiles that can detect the injected chip.

Saw an interview recently with an American gentleman who still believes that, and is not getting the jab because of that.

[JammyDoidger]

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The reason it is being brought in by beginning of october is because everyone could have been double jagged by that time. I accept this is not the case for eveyone but the vast majority have had the opportunity.

Understand what your saying, but a lot like me probably were in no rush to get the vaccine as it doesn't actually stop you passing covid on as such..I've had covid and got over it, that's the reason I was in no rush in truth. Not they've sprung this on us, I went and got my first jab a few days ago. Forcing my hand really. Think it's wrong to sort of divide the nation and treat folk differently just because you have or haven't had a jag. But here we are eh.

[Juniper Greens]

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Understand what your saying, but a lot like me probably were in no rush to get the vaccine as it doesn't actually stop you passing covid on as such..I've had covid and got over it, that's the reason I was in no rush in truth. Not they've sprung this on us, I went and got my first jab a few days ago. Forcing my hand really. Think it's wrong to sort of divide the nation and treat folk differently just because you have or haven't had a jag. But here we are eh.

I don't think its been sprung on us. Its been coming for months

[Eyrie]

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The vote has happened, there will be no 8 week notice.

There will be thousands of fans in your position, and those who have no jabs at all, who now find themselves with tickets and unable to get in. Every one of them must be offered a full refund, as the goalposts have moved.

Why?

Like many of us, I bought a season ticket last year and wasn't able to attend a single game. Not just games at the start of the season, which was expected, but the entire season which wasn't.

There won't be any refunds if we go back to closed grounds (not that I anticipate that happening).

[jeffers]

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As much as I agree with the introduction of this measure I do agree that any season ticket holder who is unvaccinated and therefore banned from Easter Road absolutely must get a refund due to there being such a fundamental change in the condition of entry since the season tickets went on sale.

It's not Hibs' fault and my sympathy for those who have refused to be vaccinated is very limited but refunds will need to be offered here I'd have thought.

They’ll still be able to watch the games on Hibs TV - it was good enough for those of us who missed out on the Ross County ballot

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Another lock down is coming the hospitals are at breaking point so it makes the certificates a waste of time really there is nothing that the politicians or scientists can do about it its cruel world we live in at the moment

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[jgl07]

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I don't think its been sprung on us. Its been coming for months

Coming for months? I haven’t even got evidence of vaccination on my phone yet.

This is months after England. I just have a sheet of paper with no photo ID with no real security.

I really wish they would have waited for the technology to be sorted out before pushing through something that was always going to be hard to enforce.

[green day]

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Coming for months? I haven’t even got evidence of vaccination on my phone yet.

This is months after England. I just have a sheet of paper with no photo ID with no real security.

I really wish they would have waited for the technology to be sorted out before pushing through something that was always going to be hard to enforce.

You can get a QR code of your status since last Friday. An app arrives at the end of September.

England still hasn't worked out what a nightclub is either, not a lot of difference tbh.

[Ronniekirk]

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Why?

Like many of us, I bought a season ticket last year and wasn't able to attend a single game. Not just games at the start of the season, which was expected, but the entire season which wasn't.

There won't be any refunds if we go back to closed grounds (not that I anticipate that happening).

The measures being introduced now are to stop us going back to more draconian measures like no fans in grounds
But Nicola is on record as saying vaccine passports wouldn’t be introduced ,so I can understand why some people are not happy
It is a form of coercion to force peoples hands But where next if a sizeable number still decide they don’t want to get a vaccine that isn’t mandatory


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[The Spaceman]

Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match or a concert/festival/nightclub. Just like nobody is forcing you to have a vaccine.

[Phil MaGlass]

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The measures being introduced now are to stop us going back to more draconian measures like no fans in grounds
But Nicola is on record as saying vaccine passports wouldn’t be introduced ,so I can understand why some people are not happy
It is a form of coercion to force peoples hands But where next if a sizeable number still decide they don’t want to get a vaccine that isn’t mandatory


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Can you show me where she said that, as all I can find is "she hand’t changed her mind and had said in Parliament on multiple occasions that the Government is “considering the issue”.
I may have missed it or got quotes mixed up.

[Sir David Gray]

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Why restrict full refunds to the unvaccinated

Because they're the only people who will be legally unable to attend.

[JammyDoidger]

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Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match or a concert/festival/nightclub. Just like nobody is forcing you to have a vaccine.

Bit of a silly statement to be fair. Football is a massive part of people's life's, that was taken from us for a full year, now your having it taken away unless you go for a vaccine, it's a bit out of order like, about time we just got used to the fact that this virus is going nowhere, our life's need to continue. If you want the vaccine in order to give yourself better protection get the vaccine, if you don't think you need it or don't want it, don't get it, simple as that. The vaccine has been made available to those who wish to take it, not much more we can do.

[green day]

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Because they're the only people who will be legally unable to attend.

Unvaccinated people with medical exemption will be allowed to attend. As will those younger fans who have not been vaccinated.

I think what you mean is people who have intentionally decided not to be vaccinated will be unable to attend.

And that's the point of the legislation.

[neil7908]

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Bit of a silly statement to be fair. Football is a massive part of people's life's, that was taken from us for a full year, now your having it taken away unless you go for a vaccine, it's a bit out of order like, about time we just got used to the fact that this virus is going nowhere, our life's need to continue. If you want the vaccine in order to give yourself better protection get the vaccine, if you don't think you need it or don't want it, don't get it, simple as that. The vaccine has been made available to those who wish to take it, not much more we can do.

Not much more we can do? Except for the thing that we are doing you mean?

[Sir David Gray]

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Unvaccinated people with medical exemption will be allowed to attend. As will those younger fans who have not been vaccinated.

I think what you mean is people who have intentionally decided not to be vaccinated will be unable to attend.

And that's the point of the legislation.

Yes that's what I meant, sorry I thought I had been clear in my earlier post.

[calumhibee1]

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As much as I agree with the introduction of this measure I do agree that any season ticket holder who is unvaccinated and therefore banned from Easter Road absolutely must get a refund due to there being such a fundamental change in the condition of entry since the season tickets went on sale.

It's not Hibs' fault and my sympathy for those who have refused to be vaccinated is very limited but refunds will need to be offered here I'd have thought.

I’m not sure about that. It’s not Hibs that have changed anything, it’s a government enforced rule. Hibs haven’t changed conditions of entry, it’s just become ‘illegal’ (not sure if it’s technically a law, but it doesn’t change the point i’m making) now in Scotland to enter a mass attended event without a vaccine.

People still have the option of going to get vaccines to allow them entry.

Hibs will absolutely run the risk of pissing off/alienating some people by not giving them a refund but I’m not sure these people would really have a leg to stand on should Hibs decide they aren’t giving refunds.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Bit of a silly statement to be fair. Football is a massive part of people's life's, that was taken from us for a full year, now your having it taken away unless you go for a vaccine, it's a bit out of order like, about time we just got used to the fact that this virus is going nowhere, our life's need to continue. If you want the vaccine in order to give yourself better protection get the vaccine, if you don't think you need it or don't want it, don't get it, simple as that. The vaccine has been made available to those who wish to take it, not much more we can do.

Tough eh, there will be other things unvaxed people wont be able to do either. Make your mind up if football is that important to you or not, if it is then take the vaccine, if not dont, nobody is forcing you to do either.

[calumhibee1]

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Bit of a silly statement to be fair. Football is a massive part of people's life's, that was taken from us for a full year, now your having it taken away unless you go for a vaccine, it's a bit out of order like, about time we just got used to the fact that this virus is going nowhere, our life's need to continue. If you want the vaccine in order to give yourself better protection get the vaccine, if you don't think you need it or don't want it, don't get it, simple as that. The vaccine has been made available to those who wish to take it, not much more we can do.

Tough luck. You’re not being forced to do anything. You can choose not to have it should you wish.

If you don’t want to do a driving test you don’t have to. But you won’t get to drive a car like all the people that did do one. Why? Because you’d be a danger to everyone else. The exact same principles apply here. This isn’t some removal of people’s human rights as is being suggested, it’s the only way to keep people safe.

If you don’t think you need the vaccine then you’re a selfish idiot who shouldn’t be allowed to put others in danger.

75% of folk in hospital with COVID are unvaccinated even though they only account for 10% of the population. If they’ve not got the brains to get the vaccine then it’s time to take the decision out their hands and not allow these folk to go around infecting each other/the people that have done their bit by getting the vaccine. These folk that are refusing to get the vaccine are directly and/or indirectly going to cause thousands of people to lose their lives.

[LunasBoots]

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Coming for months? I haven’t even got evidence of vaccination on my phone yet.

This is months after England. I just have a sheet of paper with no photo ID with no real security.

I really wish they would have waited for the technology to be sorted out before pushing through something that was always going to be hard to enforce.

Yup, need time to sort it out, know a few folk double jabbed but can't access the NHS inform site with there records and when you phone them and can't remember details the folk in the line say they can't therefore help you, government need to come up with something so that all vaccinated people can have the access to the details they need.

[JammyDoidger]

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Not much more we can do? Except for the thing that we are doing you mean?

They are back handedly forcing folk to get a jag or else they'll have no life, here's one for you. What if a footballer hasn't had both jags? Will he not be able to do his job?

[The dalmeny]

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6687268[/URL]]Understand what your saying, but a lot like me probably were in no rush to get the vaccine as it doesn't actually stop you passing covid on as such..I've had covid and got over it, that's the reason I was in no rush in truth. Not they've sprung this on us, I went and got my first jab a few days ago. Forcing my hand really. Think it's wrong to sort of divide the nation and treat folk differently just because you have or haven't had a jag. But here we are eh.

Did you get an appointment but not to go then decide after all you would and just go to a pop up or something? No really sure about the passport thing myself, lots of variables