Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[wookie70]

Ridiculous decision and am now struggling with a political party to vote for. Both governing parties were my choice in the last election but this may be the last straw for me for both. Details not even finalised before the vote and MSPs whipped to obey.

Nothing to do with the virus and all about a show of control and being in control. I expect it from the SNP but I am disgusted in the Greens.

I have no issue with them asking for negative tests but this is pointless. If it is policed it will be a complete shambles and there are lots of scenarios like mates buying each other tickets so names on tickets and passports don't correspond that render it worthless.

The biggest issue is that those who are double jabbed appear to be completely fearless and may well just come along regardless of how they feel. The narrative now seems to revolve around the vaccine being the only thing that matters and behaviours and distancing are pretty much gone.

It will have no effect whatsoever on covid and shutting the pubs round ER would have a far bigger impact imo if the Government are in the least bit interested in slowing the rise in cases and deaths. Countless other measures are needed before tis and everything I have read suggests going to open air venues is highling unlikely to mean you are infected. Pubs and transport beforehand maybe but not the stadium.

I doubt it will be policed as it would mean arriving at grounds far earlier which would of course increase the chances of infection. If it isn't then what is the point and if policed it needs photo ID to have any real worth.

The most likely to pass it on, the U18s, are fine as are those who have exemptions(no details of this that I spotted) and most bizarrely those working at venues don't need to be vaccinated. A Government struggling big time and trying to appear to be doing something positive. It is a Johnson move from Sturgeon and she should lock her self in the fridge for a few weeks.

It will be interesting to see if ER has 10K in it for Cat C games as loads will simply not bother turning up even if double jabbed.

[Peevemor]

At the risk of becoming boring, the Covid passport has been on the go here in France for about 5-6 weeks now and I've used mine loads of times.

I'd be surprised if the system in Scotland will be much different from here.

The pass is basically a QR code which can be either printed, stocked on your smartphone, or both.

The people scanning it use a smartphone or tablet and it takes about 2 seconds. I've yet to have a problem with scanning mine (paper or phone). A steward to each turnstile queue should be able to check everyone no problem without any delays (unless people without a pass act like dicks).

They're very clear here that ID isn't checked with the pass - only the police can do that if they spot check. People using someone else's pass or loaning somebody their pass will be fined - very heavily for repeat offenders. In general, the people scanning your pass only get your name, DOB and confirmation that the pass is valid.

If you have a valid pass it's really next to no hassle.

Whether you agree in principle is a different matter.

[ToulouseHibs]

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At the risk of becoming boring, the Covid passport has been on the go here in France for about 5-6 weeks now and I've used mine loads of times.

I'd be surprised if the system in Scotland will be much different from here.

The pass is basically a QR code which can be either printed, stocked on your smartphone, or both.

The people scanning it use a smartphone or tablet and it takes about 2 seconds. I've yet to have a problem with scanning mine (paper or phone). A steward to each turnstile queue should be able to check everyone no problem without any delays (unless people without a pass act like dicks).

They're very clear here that ID isn't checked with the pass - only the police can do that if they spot check. People using someone else's pass or loaning somebody their pass will be fined - very heavily for repeat offenders. In general, the people scanning your pass only get your name, DOB and confirmation that the pass is valid.

If you have a valid pass it's really next to no hassle.

Whether you agree in principle is a different matter.

Yeah, I just spent the last through days on a business strip starting in France then through Amsterdam and Stuttgart. All that was needed apart from the occasional additional contact information, was the health passport. Dead easy, no fuss.

[gbhibby]

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There are two likely scenarios that could follow.

The first is that there will be notices up at the stadium but no-one will bother to enforce it.

The second is there will be staff checking everyone coming in and queues will build up and chaos will ensue.

Since the Scottish Government, unlike their counterparts in England, has yet to produce a smartphone app showing vaccination status. All I have is a sheet of paper which could be used by anyone. That is unless we also require photo id to get into a football match.

I smell a total fiasco coming up.

I can access my vaccination record and show it no problem on my phone don't need an app, just your vaccination number. Shows my name also my season ticket has my name. Could show my photo driving licence as proof of Id. I live in Scotland.We just need to turn up early. Away fans are an issue.

[CentreLine]

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Because in 3 weeks time certain people won't be able to attend a football match because there is a few extra people at the game. 9999 at the match, jabbed or not it doesn't matter. 10,001 at the game sorry its now very unsafe and everyone needs 2 vax's.

Ridiculous.

What’s ridiculous is that argument. What ground in Scotland has a capacity of 9999? It’s not about waiting until the 9999th person has passed through the gate before you have to have proof of vaccination. 😏
Mind you, I’d like them to change the limit to 20,000 just so we could see hearts declare they didn’t have to comply.

[DIXIHIBS]

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I can access my vaccination record and show it no problem on my phone don't need an app, just your vaccination number. Shows my name also my season ticket has my name. Could show my photo driving licence as proof of Id. I live in Scotland.

Ive got the same. Got a paper copy a few weeks ago then uploaded a digital copy to my phone this week. Hopefully that will be enough without needing an app as well. I doubt very much if every single person will be checked. This is more about encouraging more youngsters to get double jagged with the threat of not getting into venues/football etc.

[marinello59]

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I can access my vaccination record and show it no problem on my phone don't need an app, just your vaccination number. Shows my name also my season ticket has my name. Could show my photo driving licence as proof of Id. I live in Scotland.We just need to turn up early. Away fans are an issue.

Civil liberties are a valid issue for many as well. G|obal pandemic or not we are being asked to give up a hell of a lot.

[Andy74]

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Civil liberties are a valid issue for many as well. G|obal pandemic or not we are being asked to give up a hell of a lot.

Having to occasionally show someone a certificate to confirm I’ve had vaccines during a pandemic to be able to join in certain events isn’t high up on my list of things that impact my civil liberties.

I could be a girl in Afghanistan for example.

[007]

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Ridiculous decision and am now struggling with a political party to vote for. Both governing parties were my choice in the last election but this may be the last straw for me for both. Details not even finalised before the vote and MSPs whipped to obey.

Nothing to do with the virus and all about a show of control and being in control. I expect it from the SNP but I am disgusted in the Greens.

I have no issue with them asking for negative tests but this is pointless. If it is policed it will be a complete shambles and there are lots of scenarios like mates buying each other tickets so names on tickets and passports don't correspond that render it worthless.

The biggest issue is that those who are double jabbed appear to be completely fearless and may well just come along regardless of how they feel. The narrative now seems to revolve around the vaccine being the only thing that matters and behaviours and distancing are pretty much gone.

It will have no effect whatsoever on covid and shutting the pubs round ER would have a far bigger impact imo if the Government are in the least bit interested in slowing the rise in cases and deaths. Countless other measures are needed before tis and everything I have read suggests going to open air venues is highling unlikely to mean you are infected. Pubs and transport beforehand maybe but not the stadium.

I doubt it will be policed as it would mean arriving at grounds far earlier which would of course increase the chances of infection. If it isn't then what is the point and if policed it needs photo ID to have any real worth.

The most likely to pass it on, the U18s, are fine as are those who have exemptions(no details of this that I spotted) and most bizarrely those working at venues don't need to be vaccinated. A Government struggling big time and trying to appear to be doing something positive. It is a Johnson move from Sturgeon and she should lock her self in the fridge for a few weeks.

It will be interesting to see if ER has 10K in it for Cat C games as loads will simply not bother turning up even if double jabbed.

What evidence have you got that the double jabbed appear to be completely fearless? There's a stronger case to say it's the unvaccinated who are fearless, otherwise they would have got the vaccine. How are the double jabbed any more likely to come along regardless of how they feel? You're making stuff up.

Sounds like you are saying distancing should be reintroduced. Surely you're not suggesting it is better to go back to that so that the unvaccinated can attend?

What are the behaviours you're referring to that are pretty much gone?

[marinello59]

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Having to occasionally show someone a certificate to confirm I’ve had vaccines during a pandemic to be able to join in certain events isn’t high up on my list of things that impact my civil liberties.

I could be a girl in Afghanistan for example.

It is a big issue for some though.

[Antifa Hibs]

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What’s ridiculous is that argument. What ground in Scotland has a capacity of 9999? It’s not about waiting until the 9999th person has passed through the gate before you have to have proof of vaccination. ��
Mind you, I’d like them to change the limit to 20,000 just so we could see hearts declare they didn’t have to comply.

"Any event, of any nature, which has more than 10,000 people in attendance"

So my point still stands. You could have 9999 people at Tannadice and anyone and everyone is allowed to go. But some of those fans (if they aren't double jagged) can't goto ER or Tynie and potentially Aberdeen.

What happens with Aberdeen PATG punters? They've sold 8500 season tickets so have 1500 up for grabs before they reach the magic 10k. A fan could buy a ticket on the Monday and be allowed to go. Then they have good sales and 3 days later Aberdeen have sold over 10,000 tickets and that punter with the one jag or no jags is now no longer allowed to attend.

Like I say, ridiculous.

[jeffers]

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Not sure, but they’d have to do something to prove you are who the passport says, otherwise anyone can use anyone’s passports and nobody would know - thus defeating the purpose of the exercise.

It’s a fair point, but I don’t personally have any up to date photo ID and even it’s then just another thing to carry. OK for folk who have a photo ID driving licence and maybe carry that as a matter of course.

[hibbysam]

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At the risk of becoming boring, the Covid passport has been on the go here in France for about 5-6 weeks now and I've used mine loads of times.

I'd be surprised if the system in Scotland will be much different from here.

The pass is basically a QR code which can be either printed, stocked on your smartphone, or both.

The people scanning it use a smartphone or tablet and it takes about 2 seconds. I've yet to have a problem with scanning mine (paper or phone). A steward to each turnstile queue should be able to check everyone no problem without any delays (unless people without a pass act like dicks).

They're very clear here that ID isn't checked with the pass - only the police can do that if they spot check. People using someone else's pass or loaning somebody their pass will be fined - very heavily for repeat offenders. In general, the people scanning your pass only get your name, DOB and confirmation that the pass is valid.

If you have a valid pass it's really next to no hassle.

Whether you agree in principle is a different matter.

So if they don’t check ID then how can you be fined? No way of knowing who is who unless you know the person.

[Andy74]

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It is a big issue for some though.

Why though? It is hardly invasive. We’ve all been asked to get vaccinated to help stop large numbers of people dying. It isn’t hugely difficult.

[gbhibby]

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Civil liberties are a valid issue for many as well. G|obal pandemic or not we are being asked to give up a hell of a lot.

Don't go to the game then.

[DIXIHIBS]

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"Any event, of any nature, which has more than 10,000 people in attendance"

So my point still stands. You could have 9999 people at Tannadice and anyone and everyone is allowed to go. But some of those fans (if they aren't double jagged) can't goto ER or Tynie and potentially Aberdeen.

What happens with Aberdeen PATG punters? They've sold 8500 season tickets so have 1500 up for grabs before they reach the magic 10k. A fan could buy a ticket on the Monday and be allowed to go. Then they have good sales and 3 days later Aberdeen have sold over 10,000 tickets and that punter with the one jag or no jags is now no longer to attend.

Like I say, ridiculous.

Im sure clubs will make a decision a few days before actual game. If say 9000 plus tickets have been sold a few days before the game then fans will be told passports will be required. If 9999 and turn up on day of game then everyone will have their passports them so no problem.

[Peevemor]

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So if they don’t check ID then how can you be fined? No way of knowing who is who unless you know the person.

Only if the police carry out spot checks, which I've seen on the TV news but haven't seen or even heard of any otherwise.

That's how it works here anyway, the biggest difference being that in France your supposed to carry ID at all times.

[gbhibby]

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At the risk of becoming boring, the Covid passport has been on the go here in France for about 5-6 weeks now and I've used mine loads of times.

I'd be surprised if the system in Scotland will be much different from here.

The pass is basically a QR code which can be either printed, stocked on your smartphone, or both.

The people scanning it use a smartphone or tablet and it takes about 2 seconds. I've yet to have a problem with scanning mine (paper or phone). A steward to each turnstile queue should be able to check everyone no problem without any delays (unless people without a pass act like dicks).

They're very clear here that ID isn't checked with the pass - only the police can do that if they spot check. People using someone else's pass or loaning somebody their pass will be fined - very heavily for repeat offenders. In general, the people scanning your pass only get your name, DOB and confirmation that the pass is valid.

If you have a valid pass it's really next to no hassle.

Whether you agree in principle is a different matter.

Thats how I think they could do it here convert info into qr code. Hibs have scanners as had problem with season ticket at turnstilesso the security person scanned it with their scanner got into ground

[marinello59]

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Don't go to the game then.

I said it was an issue for some. And whether you or me agree with them or not it is a valid concern.

[hibbysam]

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Only if the police carry out spot checks, which I've seen on the TV news but haven't seen or even heard of any otherwise.

That's how it works here anyway, the biggest difference being that in France your supposed to carry ID at all times.

The other thing is 50% at Easter road requires one, but 100% at say st mirren (think that’s below 10k) doesn’t.

[gbhibby]

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I said it was an issue for some. And whether you or me agree it is a valid concern.

Was not aimed at you hope you did not think that. If someone doesn't want to conform they should not go to the game. Our liberties have been compromised for years a bit of perspective is required.

[JammyDoidger]

Not read previous posts and not sure if this has been mentioned, but they might have gave us at least 8 weeks notice, so that those people who haven't had any jags, can go get double jabbed in time for this coming into place. I just bought a scotland ticket the other day and now won't be able to attend as ive only had one jab. Dissapointing news, they are now pretty much forcing you into it which I'm a bit uncomfortable with.

[Onion]

As a temporary measure during a pandemic, I've no problem with large events being restricted to the vaccinated - as long as it is temporary, vaccination is free of charge, and those that still choose not to be vaccinated are offered a full refund !

No one has a right to get into a football match, so those who choose not to meet the criteria have every right to stay away and to a refund. If that means fewer fans at matches during the pandemic, so be it.

[Peevemor]

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As a temporary measure during a pandemic, I've no problem with large events being restricted to the vaccinated - as long as it is temporary, vaccination is free of charge, and those that still choose not to be vaccinated are offered a full refund !

No one has a right to get into a football match, so those who choose not to meet the criteria have every right to stay away and to a refund. If that means fewer fans at matches during the pandemic, so be it.

For what it's worth, the requirement for Covid passports in France is meant to run until the middle of November. Whether that will be extended remains to be seen.

[neil7908]

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As a temporary measure during a pandemic, I've no problem with large events being restricted to the vaccinated - as long as it is temporary, vaccination is free of charge, and those that still choose not to be vaccinated are offered a full refund !

No one has a right to get into a football match, so those who choose not to meet the criteria have every right to stay away and to a refund. If that means fewer fans at matches during the pandemic, so be it.

This.

[Onion]

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Not read previous posts and not sure if this has been mentioned, but they might have gave us at least 8 weeks notice, so that those people who haven't had any jags, can go get double jabbed in time for this coming into place. I just bought a scotland ticket the other day and now won't be able to attend as ive only had one jab. Dissapointing news, they are now pretty much forcing you into it which I'm a bit uncomfortable with.

The vote has happened, there will be no 8 week notice.

There will be thousands of fans in your position, and those who have no jabs at all, who now find themselves with tickets and unable to get in. Every one of them must be offered a full refund, as the goalposts have moved.

[Glory Lurker]

Easy peasey- set up a body scanner at the turnstiles that can detect the injected chip.

[DIXIHIBS]

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Not read previous posts and not sure if this has been mentioned, but they might have gave us at least 8 weeks notice, so that those people who haven't had any jags, can go get double jabbed in time for this coming into place. I just bought a scotland ticket the other day and now won't be able to attend as ive only had one jab. Dissapointing news, they are now pretty much forcing you into it which I'm a bit uncomfortable with.

The reason it is being brought in by beginning of october is because everyone could have been double jagged by that time. I accept this is not the case for eveyone but the vast majority have had the opportunity.

[jgl07]

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Only if the police carry out spot checks, which I've seen on the TV news but haven't seen or even heard of any otherwise.

That's how it works here anyway, the biggest difference being that in France your supposed to carry ID at all times.

The question of carrying ID at all times is a very contentious issue here.

Without changing the whole approach to this, the COVID passport idea is totally unenforceable. My suspicion is that everyone will pay lip service to the rules but nothing will happen. After three of four matches everyone will have forgotten that the rule ever existed.

[Peevemor]

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The other thing is 50% at Easter road requires one, but 100% at say st mirren (think that’s below 10k) doesn’t.

Yeah, there's stuff that doesn't appear to make much sense. In saying that I suppose they have to draw the line somewhere.

As an aside, passes here were meant for all indoor public events of over 50 people. Most cinemas started putting on pass free showings restricted to less than 50 people (no big deal in July/August). That loophole was quickly closed.

As for Easter Road (for example). I've seen people rightly saying that a crowd could be borderline 10k so what happens. Here it's the capacity of the event that counts, not the eventual attendance.