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04-04-2021 10:31 AM #61
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04-04-2021 11:09 AM #62
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Britain is not a tolerant country in the slightest! This island is inherently racist, and only our blasé attitude towards it makes it seem we as a nation are tolerant.
The idea that the publicity of racism has set the issue back 50 years is nonsense.... it only seems like that to those who have ignored the issue until it’s no longer ignorable.
Racism is not a political issue either, is an issue of respect for your fellow man, no matter the colour of their skin or ethnic origins!
Football players taking a knee or making a stand highlights the issue further and as role models to many young people they are setting an example that no one is impressed by racist attitudes, this is the whole point of a role model!
Believing that this is an American issue too is nonsense.... it’s like saying it’s not your concern if atrocities are happening somewhere else, just ignorance.
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04-04-2021 11:45 AM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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04-04-2021 11:52 AM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote''It's always been just part of the culture. Growing up, for most working-class kids, is all about football, music or clothes. You might not have much money, but whatever you have got, you're going to look good.'' - Paul Weller
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04-04-2021 12:33 PM #66
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It will take a long long time but the current publicity and changing attitudes will hopefully work it’s way down through future generations.
I have older relatives who still use the term ‘coloured’ and think it’s acceptable... ignorance is bliss in their eyes!
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04-04-2021 01:20 PM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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04-04-2021 03:24 PM #68
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Are you saying that because people were raised to believe one way was better that they should be excused for still using it? That really is ignorant and is a huge part of the problem.
I kind of explained that in my last post, showing I fully understand their reasons.Last edited by BlackSheep; 04-04-2021 at 03:32 PM.
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04-04-2021 03:28 PM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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04-04-2021 03:35 PM #70
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04-04-2021 03:42 PM #71
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What’s your view Peevemore? Do you think we live in a tolerant society?
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04-04-2021 03:57 PM #72This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Given there are countless examples from people in this country where they have described their experiences as victims of racial prejudice, and the statistical evidence which shows it is a problem, then this most certainly does have something to do with us.
Even if we were one of the most tolerant countries in the world, which I doubt, we would still have a duty to eradicate any prejudice that did exist.
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04-04-2021 04:02 PM #73
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It isn’t a huge part of the problem at all.
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04-04-2021 04:09 PM #74
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Actually, I think it is... the information is available to everyone, no one is too old to learn new things. It’s this attitude that only keeps the issue alive... acceptance of racism in any form including pleading ignorance is the problem we face today.
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04-04-2021 04:17 PM #75This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There is a huge difference between the two situations.
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04-04-2021 04:26 PM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But what you're discussing is in no way an 'acceptance of racism'.
There's a big difference between somebody being intentionally and knowingly racist and somebody unintentionally using an outdated phrase that isn't in itself particularly offensive (especially as there's an organisation in the US that still uses it - NAACP).
It's a bit like if an English person referred to a group of Scots as 'Jocks', but that person has no actual prejudice towards Scottish people and doesn't realise the term is maybe a bit irritating. Now, I could go into a total meltdown about it, but I'd probably end up looking a bit stupid.Last edited by Keith_M; 04-04-2021 at 04:31 PM.
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04-04-2021 04:34 PM #77This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The majority of heated debate I get into on here comes from my trying to understand both sides of any argument or situation. That seems to be beyond some people's comprehension.
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04-04-2021 04:38 PM #78
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I think somehow we have focused too much on a specific phrase here which is clouding the point I’m trying to make.
Let’s put it this way, I feel there is no excuse to use ANY racist terms regardless of age or education. As I pointed out before the information is out there, and BLM has highlighted it on the world stage. Any use of outdated terminology IS I feel as bad as abuse, why, because having comfort in using any racist terminology stops the problem from getting solved, ignorance breeds acceptance.
I have witnessed it in youth, acceptance or lack of education on racial slurs sees youth using said terminology and this often, not always, becomes a gateway to using more vile rhetoric in the future.
If use of or lack of education on the subject at an early stage, for example at home, is nipped in the bud, then people are more likely not to feel comfortable with its existence in society... this discomfort is what we need to spread and hopefully eradicate the worst forms
of racism.
It’s the same reasoning behind the authorities claiming Cannabis is a gateway drug and seek to stop the manufacture and supply it to aid in the effort to eradicate illegal drugs on the whole.
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04-04-2021 04:41 PM #79
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I’m trying to see it from your point of view.
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04-04-2021 04:44 PM #81
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I’m not saying there should be harsh consequences in these instances but these fortunate people should be educated on the subject so they understand it’s not acceptable.
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04-04-2021 04:47 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Apparently not.
It's much better to go off at the deep end than just explain to somebody why a word or phrase they've just used might be a bit off.
Oh and there's apparently no half measures; you're either totally perfect in word and deed (100% 'woke')... or you're an out-and-out racist (misogynist, anti-semite, trans-phobic, etc).
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04-04-2021 04:49 PM #84
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Yeah, them Frogs can be really irritating sometimes...
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04-04-2021 04:51 PM #86
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When I was younger, I used to use a lot of terminology that I have since learned isn’t acceptable and I have tried to wipe the vernacular out of my vocabulary, I don’t want my children hearing any terms that they could in turn use and not know the meaning behind the words.... I was part of the problem, because I didn’t understand the force behind the words, I now try to pass what education I have had on the subject on.Last edited by BlackSheep; 04-04-2021 at 05:05 PM.
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04-04-2021 05:16 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The bit I've highlighted in bold clearly shows you didn't read my whole post... or decided to ignore some of it.
Why make an argument that I've already answered?
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04-04-2021 05:29 PM #90
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I asked as I felt knowing would help me to understand the poster’s stand point, as I have explained I have found more people from older generations find it hard to change their behaviour or not want to change, than those from younger generations.
I didn’t form an opinion about the OP I simply sought to understand why eh or she may have formed their opinion on our country being a tolerant one. Age is one factor that may explain that.
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