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Thread: Joe Newell contract
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15-02-2021 12:05 PM #91
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15-02-2021 12:10 PM #92
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15-02-2021 12:28 PM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not playing for Wales has no impact whatsoever on his ability at this level. Nisbet has zero Scotland caps, average as well? How about Scott Allan?
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15-02-2021 12:46 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'll give you it against Aberdeen but our midfield was far from 'perfectly balanced' in either of those two other games. We had nobody playing that deep lying play maker role that newell does so well - taking the ball from the centre backs, distributing from deep, controlling the tempo, setting up attacks with line breaking progressive passes. As a result most of our build up play came from the centre backs either hoofing it to doidge or getting it wide to the wing backs and hoping they would be in space. Both those games were dreadful to watch and definitely not what I want to see from a Hibernian midfield. Having Newell in there would have made a big difference to the entertainment on display and the team performance in both games imo.
Gogic is useful to have but how many top teams in world football play with a pure ball winner as the deepest midfielder every week? very few. Football has moved on from the 2000s.
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15-02-2021 01:04 PM #95
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I disagree with your assessment of how we got our chances in those games as well. Irvine played Boyle in with the best pass I’ve seen from a Hibs midfielder for his goal at Utd for a start.
I agree most top teams have a deep lying playmaker. But we’re not a top team. We’ve found a way that gets the best from most of our players in the last few games. Attackers scoring, not conceding at the other end and the midfield contributing to both. I think that’s a good balance.Last edited by B.H.F.C; 15-02-2021 at 01:11 PM.
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15-02-2021 01:36 PM #96This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Also think that's a massive exaggeration, was no doubt a fantastic ball but "best pass you've seen from a hibs midfielder"? I'd highly doubt that, for a period of time in 2017/18 Allan was producing moments like that two or three times in a game.
Like you say we've been getting the results recently so I can't really complain but I think we play our best football when Gogic isn't starting due to how limited he is technically, can only really pass the way his facing and takes him an age to turn when he's facing our own goal with the ball. When we were playing 4-4-2 earlier in the season and Hallberg started partnering Newell in midfield instead of Gogic our style of play was much better to watch, with Newell controlling the game from deep and Hallberg makine late runs into the opposition box. Think Newell and Irvine could have a similar sort of partnership together.
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15-02-2021 01:50 PM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We don't need that sort of player every game. We beat Motherwell 3-0 and completely controlled the midfield with Wright, Hallberg, Newell and Murphy. Who was playing the Gogic role that day?
Similiarly when we beat Aberdeen 3-0 last season we had a diamond of Hallberg, Boyle, Newell and Allan - not a ball winner in sight but again we were dominant against a big physical team because technically our players were streets ahead.
Absolutely loved big Marv, but in 2017/18 after he stopped starting games around January we started playing much better football than in the first half of the season and winning more games, with McGeough playing deeper in midfield than he previously had been.
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15-02-2021 01:57 PM #99
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Where I’m coming from is that I don’t think Newell being in the team would have made us better in those particular games. If you look at the corresponding games earlier in the season. Poor and subbed against Aberdeen, poor and subbed up at Utd. Good away to St Mirren on a nice sunny day when we scored an early goal, totally different game and conditions to what we faced a couple of weeks ago.
It’s fine having this idealistic way of playing but in January and February on a pitch in Scotland, it’s probably not going to happen that often. I think the midfield in the last few games have allowed us to do both sides of the game well which I think has been an issue previously, particularly against Aberdeen.
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15-02-2021 02:02 PM #100This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
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15-02-2021 02:02 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Stephen McGinn, no?
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15-02-2021 02:17 PM #102This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Once the wind has died down and the pitches are better I'd be starting Newell over him every week though
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15-02-2021 02:20 PM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Waste of a wage imo. Wouldn’t have a problem with him being part of the coaching team
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15-02-2021 02:36 PM #104This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-02-2021 03:13 PM #105
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15-02-2021 03:28 PM #107
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I get what some say about his work and how he allows others to play but his return of 6 goals in 32 is just not good enough, 5 in 26 league games and 1 in 5 league cup games is not a great return for a striker, needs to be better than 1 in 5, Nisbet is 1 in 2.5 at the moment.
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15-02-2021 03:42 PM #109
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15-02-2021 04:10 PM #111
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So, Newells contract?
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15-02-2021 04:29 PM #112This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There will always be some who we all think is not good enough, but we've needed them at one stage or another over the course of the season.
We will finish where we finish because of the strength of that squad, good and bad.
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15-02-2021 04:40 PM #113
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Big Doidge will be making defenders life a misery in Europe next season and good on him. Deserves it.
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15-02-2021 04:43 PM #114This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The likes of SDG could still play a big part before the season is out and Stephen McGinn has yet to let us down when called upon.
Obviously there's always room for improvement in any squad, but I personally think we have a good mix at the moment, albeit probably lacking depth in terms of forwards.
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15-02-2021 04:54 PM #115This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I do wonder if SDG could do the same. He’s had very little opportunity thus far, but hasn’t really given Ross any food for thought on his rare appearances.
Newell should think carefully. If there is an offer, it may not last forever. Ross may fancy using that money to fund the signing of Irvine and that would be a fair swap for me.
Ideally Newell gets back to playing and ups his game, alongside more talented colleagues.
Our midfield looks pretty tasty with Scott Allan returning.
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15-02-2021 05:34 PM #116
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15-02-2021 05:37 PM #117
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15-02-2021 05:44 PM #118
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Griffiths and Riordan probably much better one on one but wouldn’t fancy either of them with their head.
His record is up there with anyone, including the start he had last year when he went on to score 19 goals after it. And yes, he was still a good player when he wasn’t scoring as many, just as he is now.
I really don’t get the desire to knock Doidge. We very rarely get it right with the bigger striker - we very much have and some folk want rid. Mental.
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15-02-2021 05:47 PM #119
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I’d be surprised if Gray could come in and do similar. He’s had that many injuries and not played regularly for so long that it’s hard to see him getting up and down the park. Obviously McGregor doesn’t have to do that which helps him.
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15-02-2021 05:59 PM #120
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You need to go back a year to see him score with any regularity really. If he’d scored more goals this season he’d get less criticism. I think it’s possible to recognise that whilst seeing that some other attributes have been useful at times.
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