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[Sir David Gray]

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Presume the Grampian one is from the pub in Aberdeen

It is yeah.

[Barney McGrew]

As someone who has been working in the licensed trade, it frustrates the life out me to hear of pubs who aren’t enforcing the rules. The guidelines are crystal clear, and they’re not difficult to put (and keep) in place if the site wants to.

The licensing police and Licensing Standards Officers should be a lot more visible, and out visiting sites with the clear instruction that they will close any premises with immediate effect no questions asked if they find the rules are being allowed to be flouted. That should focus a few more minds.

It shouldn’t be that some idiots knowingly ignoring what they’re legally required to do should spoil it for all the other sites that are respecting the guidelines, so we don’t see a blanket closure order back in place

[Gatecrasher]

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As someone who has been working in the licensed trade, it frustrates the life out me to hear of pubs who aren’t enforcing the rules. The guidelines are crystal clear, and they’re not difficult to put (and keep) in place if the site wants to.

The licensing police and Licensing Standards Officers should be a lot more visible, and out visiting sites with the clear instruction that they will close any premises with immediate effect no questions asked if they find the rules are being allowed to be flouted. That should focus a few more minds.

It shouldn’t be that some idiots knowingly ignoring what they’re legally required to do should spoil it for all the other sites that are respecting the guidelines, so we don’t see a blanket closure order back in place

I was saying that to some folk earlier after seeing some pictures of crowded pubs and beer gardens that they should start threatening to close them and possibly losing their license if they fail to enforce the rules too much is at stake here.

[SHODAN]

There is absolutely no way I am going to a pub or restaurant any time soon.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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From what I've seen over the last couple of weeks, people seem to be relaxing the rules in pubs just now.

I was in The Grays Mill for a short time last night, it was mobbed. Didn't hang around long.

[BroxburnHibee]

I think the pubs know they'll get locked down again so are happily making as much as they can until it happens.

[Since90+2]

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I was in The Grays Mill for a short time last night, it was mobbed. Didn't hang around long.

Was in there about a week or two back for 1 pint. Absolutely zero social distancing and it was absolutely mobbed. Most of the patrons were reaking aswell.

[Barney McGrew]

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I think the pubs know they'll get locked down again so are happily making as much as they can until it happens.

They're being pretty short sighted if they are. A second full shutdown will see thousands of pubs shut permanently.

[Beefster]

It’s getting to the stage where we’re going to have to consider whatever it takes to get and keep schools open, if it comes to it. If that includes stopping adults socialising, shutting shops, offices, pubs and restaurants alongside anyone remotely vulnerable having to fully shield so be it.

Kids not being able to go to school full-time for another year, just because adults can’t behave themselves and follow rules, is ridiculous.

[Barney McGrew]

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It’s getting to the stage where we’re going to have to consider whatever it takes to get and keep schools open, if it comes to it. If that includes stopping adults socialising, shutting shops, offices, pubs and restaurants alongside anyone remotely vulnerable having to fully shield so be it.

Kids not being able to go to school full-time for another year, just because adults can’t behave themselves and follow rules, is ridiculous.

It’s pretty interesting that the pub at the centre of the outbreak in Aberdeen has been allowed to stay open and trade, with the authorities saying that they were fully following the guidelines. That doesn’t bode well.

FWIW, I wasn’t expecting pubs to be open again this side of Christmas unless a vaccine was in place, I’m really surprised they started trading again so quickly.

[marinello59]

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It’s getting to the stage where we’re going to have to consider whatever it takes to get and keep schools open, if it comes to it. If that includes stopping adults socialising, shutting shops, offices, pubs and restaurants alongside anyone remotely vulnerable having to fully shield so be it.

Kids not being able to go to school full-time for another year, just because adults can’t behave themselves and follow rules, is ridiculous.

I totally agree. Getting the kids back to school full time has to be a priority over pubs etc.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I totally agree. Getting the kids back to school full time has to be a priority over pubs etc.

Educate them to be unemployed.

I might be a bit flippant but when there are 1,000 applications for a receptionist job it's a bit difficult to see how kids of today can expect to get a job in the next few years. Unemployment will be high for a while.

[Callum_62]

Sarah Vine (Michael Gives wife has cracked it)

https://twitter.com/WestminsterWAG/s...676947968?s=19

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[Moulin Yarns]

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If only Scotland had more power.

[Pretty Boy]

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Educate them to be unemployed.

I might be a bit flippant but when there are 1,000 applications for a receptionist job it's a bit difficult to see how kids of today can expect to get a job in the next few years. Unemployment will be high for a while.

That's the trade off. Closing the hospitality industry again costs thousands of jobs, it's directly responsible for 10% of UK employment and indirectly responsible for a lot more.

I think because it is often dismissed by some as a 'career before a career' it's viewed as somewhat expendable but the consequences of a 2nd complete lockdown are horrendous. I'll admit to a vested interest as my job would go where that to happen.

The only way it can happen would be an industry specific furlough scheme along with huge grants to keep businesses afloat. Even the big players in Scotland won't survive another lockdown.

[Barney McGrew]

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Even the big players in Scotland won't survive another lockdown.

They’re the ones that are struggling already. People are staying out of the city centres where they tend to own the units and staying local instead.

[Sir David Gray]

744 cases and 8 deaths registered in the UK today.

[Ozyhibby]

I think a 2nd lockdown is now politically and economically impossible. Without control of the economy the SG will need to follow whatever London does.


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[Billy Whizz]

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They’re the ones that are struggling already. People are staying out of the city centres where they tend to own the units and staying local instead.

I watched the game in Leith yesterday at my daughters. Was driving home along Queen St etc, and the streets were packed with people, all dressed up going out somewhere

[Pretty Boy]

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I watched the game in Leith yesterday at my daughters. Was driving home along Queen St etc, and the streets were packed with people, all dressed up going out somewhere

The streets look busy because we are so used to them being dead now.

The figures don't back up the conclusions that pubs are busy though. I work directly with the industry every day and they are in dire straits. Places with a capacity of 100+ are limited to allowing in 40ish whilst having to have extra staff on duty for cleaning, table service, door management and so on.

It's an industry close to collapse. I respect people's desire and right to educate their children but I also repsct the right of people, and again I speak with a vested interest, to provide for their families. Those reliant on hospitality are either already unemployed or walking a tight rope.

[Billy Whizz]

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The streets look busy because we are so used to them being dead now.

The figures don't back up the conclusions that pubs are busy though. I work directly with the industry every day and they are in dire straits. Places with a capacity of 100+ are limited to allowing in 40ish whilst having to have extra staff on duty for cleaning, table service, door management and so on.

It's an industry close to collapse. I respect people's desire and right to educate their children but I also repsct the right of people, and again I speak with a vested interest, to provide for their families. Those reliant on hospitality are either already unemployed or walking a tight rope.

You make fair points, I work in the Food sector too. One of our sister companies has lost 90% of its business since lockdown
The offer for August has probably come at the wrong time, with schools going back in a week or so
I honestly don’t know what the answer is, although we all like to criticise governments, I’m not sure I’d like to be making these big decisions just now

What a terrible place we’re in, in less than 5 months

[SideBurns]

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The streets look busy because we are so used to them being dead now.

The figures don't back up the conclusions that pubs are busy though. I work directly with the industry every day and they are in dire straits. Places with a capacity of 100+ are limited to allowing in 40ish whilst having to have extra staff on duty for cleaning, table service, door management and so on.

It's an industry close to collapse. I respect people's desire and right to educate their children but I also repsct the right of people, and again I speak with a vested interest, to provide for their families. Those reliant on hospitality are either already unemployed or walking a tight rope.

Yes, and of course there will be folk who are anxious to see their kids back to school who are also worried about their jobs, and therefore their ability to feed and clothe those same children.

It has always been too simplistic to say it is a choice between health and the economy, and the same is true of any perceived battle between education and the economy.

[Mibbes Aye]

In terms of the workforce, the social care and health care sectors have struggled
for years in terms of recruitment and retention, especially in some specific positions but also at different levels. Funnily enough some of the areas that are tourism-centric are the worst-affected.

I suspect there will be a reconfiguration where care will be restructured and there will be job opportunities for people that will seem more attractive, because hospitality and leisure takes a hit. Work is work and the market is all about supply and demand. There is demand in care and there is supply in the workforce.

[Hibrandenburg]

I was in Heide Park (bit like Alton Towers) today. Supposedly it was only filled to 40% capacity, but for me it was mobbed. People were so involved with themselves that social distancing was pretty much all but forgotten about, there were constant reminders from staff to people queuing that they should keep apart and wear their masks properly but all to no avail. Even threats of ejection from the park were ignored, probably because they were empty threats.

I adjusted my dog's leash to 2m and barked at anyone who came within that radius. I left after an hour because it was depressing just to watch how egotistical and irresponsible people are in general. The wife and boy can spend the rest of this holiday in the park should they wish, me and the dog will enjoy the solitude of the Lüneburger Moorlands.

[SideBurns]

I've been in quite a few pubs in the last fortnight and, I have to admit, the most enjoyment has been derived when the boozer has managed to keep the experience as close to what we used to regard as 'normal ' as is possible under the present restrictions. Perhaps that means a few of those places have skirted with contravening those regs, but I have some sympathy when they are trying to make a profit. What I would say is that I have always been told to take a seat, no standing at the bar or anywhere else in the pub - in that sense, it is very much less sociable than I'm used to but if you are in company then it isn't such a hardship; just like being in a restaurant, I suppose.

I see Pretty Boy declares a vested interest when expressing
his opinion as he's employed in the hospitality industry, but surely we all want to see pubs, restaurants and cafes thriving - apart from the obvious unemployment crisis mass closures would create, how dull would our streets be without these places?

[Sir David Gray]

First experience for me in a restaurant since March and it seemed ok. Apart from the waiting staff all wearing masks or visors and having to download the menu on your phone, it wasn't much different.

There was a wider space between tables but I actually liked that as it was more private. Being in a wheelchair it also meant there was more space for me to move around.

One thing I'm not sure is being enforced is the rule that Sturgeon reiterated on Friday which is that only 3 households should be meeting in pubs and restaurants. I'm not sure that is being checked too often.

[Moulin Yarns]

Brilliant scarecrow display near Huxley/Brassey Green #Cheshire 👍😂 https://t.co/FckOdFisVR

[easty]

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I was in The Grays Mill for a short time last night, it was mobbed. Didn't hang around long.

That’s where I was too

[Hibernia&Alba]

New spike in cases in Greater Manchester declared a major incident. Well done, Boris, your policy expediting the end of lockdown in England has worked a treat.

[skankomcphee]

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One thing I'm not sure is being enforced is the rule that Sturgeon reiterated on Friday which is that only 3 households should be meeting in pubs and restaurants. I'm not sure that is being checked too often.

Funny you should mention that as I wondered what the score was with that rule now when I drove past Dr Bell’s Baths last night and saw a hen do sitting in the outside area - probably around seven or eight females in attendance. I’d presume that was more than 3 households.