Companies & The Rich and Powerful Acting Despicably - Lest We Forget

[Bostonhibby]

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I think we should make a point of highlighting non-football Companies (as those are covered on another thread), plus the rich and powerful, that are acting the most despicably during this time of crisis.

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What got me thinking about this is that the behaviour of Tim Martin (estimated wealth, ~£500m), the founder of JD Wetherspoons, seems to get worse as each day passes.

He's already stated that he will not pay his staff until the money arrives from the government to help him out, and he's now refusing to pay suppliers bills (those that have already delivered goods and to whom he owes the money) until his chain of pubs is allowed to re-open.

He's already on record as saying that closing down pubs and restaurants was an over-reaction in the first place, presumably caring a lot more about increasing his wealth than the health of his customers and staff.

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it's up to everybody to choose what they do, and I'm not imposing my viewpoint on anybody else, but I'll never set foot in one of his 'restaurants' again.


Lest We Forget

I definitely won't be in a wetherspoons or a Britannia hotel again.

Spoons is a no brainer re spoons now. Looking forward to supporting the smaller local pubs even more.

There's a few other businesses I've avoided before, there's always a better alternative around.

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[CentreLine]

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Feel sorry for frontline staff when Charles swans up to his hide away and suddenly fulfills criteria for the coronavirus.Totaly out of order.

I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there. If he then finds he is showing symptoms and falls in to the category for testing, then he is entitled to be tested. His actions are now being torn apart by people with an agenda. I am not sure this is the forum for that debate.

If I owned a house in remote Deeside and I was of independent means, sure as hell I’d move there too in this crisis. It’s not as if he kicked someone out of their home to move in. That was his ancestors who did that.

[B.H.F.C]

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I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there.

Government guidance was for everyone to stay at their main address though. Not all disappear to their holiday home.

It’s not a case of him jumping in his car in perfect isolation to get up there either. Dozens of folk will have come in to contact with him so that he could have a safe, comfortable journey.

[Radium]

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I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there. If he then finds he is showing symptoms and falls in to the category for testing, then he is entitled to be tested. His actions are now being torn apart by people with an agenda. I am not sure this is the forum for that debate.

If I owned a house in remote Deeside and I was of independent means, sure as hell I’d move there too in this crisis. It’s not as if he kicked someone out of their home to move in. That was his ancestors who did that.

One of the general criticisms made was that people with holiday properties were moving from populated centres to rural locations (across the UK) and risking transmitting the virus into those communities. He is fair game for this criticism.

If the argument is that the monarch and heir are both in risk groups and should be separated I can see why he would move but given their property folio they have access to it didn’t need to be rural Deeside or Devon


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[The Baldmans Comb]

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I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there. If he then finds he is showing symptoms and falls in to the category for testing, then he is entitled to be tested. His actions are now being torn apart by people with an agenda. I am not sure this is the forum for that debate.

If I owned a house in remote Deeside and I was of independent means, sure as hell I’d move there too in this crisis. It’s not as if he kicked someone out of their home to move in. That was his ancestors who did that.

He hardly just legged it up the motorway with Camilla with a couple of suitcases in the back of his Rover.

He would have arrived by RAF plane with a full entrouage of many people (estimated at 10) traveling from the worst affected place in England.

Hence there are now many more possible carriers in a vulnerable part of Scotland who must have had contact with local people and who have now put their community at risk compared to absolutely none had he followed specific government advice to stay in your principal residence.

Scotland is just playground for these people and their support staff and they don't give a flying fck for the people that live here.

[lapsedhibee]

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Feel sorry for frontline staff when Charles swans up to his hide away and suddenly fulfills criteria for the coronavirus.Totaly out of order.

Hancock already spouts enough nonsense day after day, without Calderwood joining in yesterday.

[danhibees1875]

According to the guy on the news, he had symptoms over the weekend and was tested on Monday. It was over the weekend he traveled so he had symptoms at that point. That's putting aside the fact that the Highlands were being specifically blacklisted for travel as the NHS there can be too quickly overwhelmed.

I don't generally mind any of the individual royals, although I'm no fan of the system. In this case, I think it's selfish and showing a disregard for the rules that 99% of people are being asked to follow.

I'm not sure how the testing criteria works, but in my opinion anyone with symptoms is to isolate anyway - using a test to see if it's Covid-19 or just a cold is a waste. Test the frontline workers who have zero symptoms and confirm they don't have any underlying virus about to come to the fore first.

[Itsnoteasy]

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I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there. If he then finds he is showing symptoms and falls in to the category for testing, then he is entitled to be tested. His actions are now being torn apart by people with an agenda. I am not sure this is the forum for that debate.

If I owned a house in remote Deeside and I was of independent means, sure as hell I’d move there too in this crisis. It’s not as if he kicked someone out of their home to move in. That was his ancestors who did that.

Better dig yourself another hole.

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[Keith_M]

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Its always a tough one this, because whenever you call to boycott a business it has to be considered that if said boycott is successful folk could well lose their jobs ... at the end of the day the Tim Martins and Richard Bransons will sod off into the sunset with their fortunes intact and not give their ex employees any more thought than they do now.

But when you think about it perhaps in the long run the folk who do work for Wetherspoons or Sports Direct would be better off in alternative employment and have plenty of time to re train or find better more sustainable employment ... its unusual to see anybody under 30 working in a Wetherspoons or Sports Direct, time is on their side ... you are probably doing them a favour. I am not suggesting the job they do isn't without merit, it clearly is, the folk in Wetherspoons seem to work like dogs.

But these greedy arrogant pricks need to be taught a lesson, their attitude in this time of crisis shows what a bunch of self entitled out of touch selfish *******s they really are and a bit of shaming when the time comes wont go amiss if you ask me. Their businesses going tits up will hit them where it hurts most, their egos ... look at Tim Martin pontificating to everybody in his in house magazine as if his opinion was solid gold, Branson with his Peter Griffin like 'look at me' stunts and Ashley who was an arrogant twat before any of this started.

I get the point, but now that he's laid off all his staff anyway, it's not really going to affect them.

If we all started frequenting businesses that actually did show some concern for their workers, they would hopefully take off and provide employment to the people that rats like Martin have abandoned so despicably.

[Sylar]

Waterstones added to the list too!

[NAE NOOKIE]

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I get the point, but now that he's laid off all his staff anyway, it's not really going to affect them.

If we all started frequenting businesses that actually did show some concern for their workers, they would hopefully take off and provide employment to the people that rats like Martin have abandoned so despicably.

Agreed about Wetherspoons staff, hopefully the ones who do find work in TESCO will be happy to stay there and not return to him.

In Galashiels where I live the Wetherspoons is practically the only place you can go for cheap drink and cheap food, but after this I'm pretty sure I'll be sucking up the extra cost and using different pubs, if any of them survive of course. Worse luck, if you want sports equipment the only outlet in the Borders, never mind Galashiels, is the Sports Direct in Gala.

Thankfully Virgin Atlantic don't have a route out of Gala international airport

[PatHead]

My daughter's partner works for Cycle Republic who are owned by Halfords. He sells bikes and is not involved in any repairs. A couple of weeks ago they were all told Halfords were shutting the division down and they were all getting paid off. This will take effect from May.

He had to work on Sunday and Monday then the store closed. They were exceptionally busy with people who couldn't go to the gym.

He has been text saying he MUST go to work tomorrow despite explaining to them that he lives with 2 people who are on the danger list.

Obviously nothing to do with providing an essential service and all to do with profit.

Add them to the list of boycott shops.

On a lighter note does anyone know where the phrase boycott came from?

[easty]

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On a lighter note does anyone know where the phrase boycott came from?

Yeah, I looked it up years ago, can't remember why though. As sad as it is, I love to know the origins of things like this.

[PatHead]

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Yeah, I looked it up years ago, can't remember why though. As sad as it is, I love to know the origins of things like this.

I just found out when reading a book about Irish history. Like you, love a wee obscure fact.

[JeMeSouviens]

This only comes under the category of a bit annoying rather than insanely reckless but easyjet are doing my head in.

They have grounded their fleet apart from a few planes operating out of London. Rather than cancel the flights they know won't fly they are marking them as "sold out" and cancelling them in dribs and drabs a couple of days ahead. They do their level best to hide the fact that customers are due a full refund for a cancellation and try and get you to rebook for a different flight. **** that - who knows what lies ahead for any given destination in the next year?

Even when you know the flight is cancelled and you are due a refund, folk are reporting that the only way to actually get one is via their call centre with waits of at least several hours if you ever get through!

It would be dead easy for them to add cancel and refund on their website (they did this for the ash cloud), so the fact that they're not doing it is totally sharp practice to hang onto customers' cash.

[Jack]

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He hardly just legged it up the motorway with Camilla with a couple of suitcases in the back of his Rover.

He would have arrived by RAF plane with a full entrouage of many people (estimated at 10) traveling from the worst affected place in England.

Hence there are now many more possible carriers in a vulnerable part of Scotland who must have had contact with local people and who have now put their community at risk compared to absolutely none had he followed specific government advice to stay in your principal residence.

Scotland is just playground for these people and their support staff and they don't give a flying fck for the people that live here.

It's not just the entrouage coming up from London. While there are no royals at Balmoral it will have been ticking over with minimal staff. With viral Charlie making an appearance that will have been ramped up with locals.

[DJ HIBBY]

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This only comes under the category of a bit annoying rather than insanely reckless but easyjet are doing my head in.

They have grounded their fleet apart from a few planes operating out of London. Rather than cancel the flights they know won't fly they are marking them as "sold out" and cancelling them in dribs and drabs a couple of days ahead. They do their level best to hide the fact that customers are due a full refund for a cancellation and try and get you to rebook for a different flight. **** that - who knows what lies ahead for any given destination in the next year?

Even when you know the flight is cancelled and you are due a refund, folk are reporting that the only way to actually get one is via their call centre with waits of at least several hours if you ever get through!

It would be dead easy for them to add cancel and refund on their website (they did this for the ash cloud), so the fact that they're not doing it is totally sharp practice to hang onto customers' cash.

They had the cancel and refund on website last week. I work in travel trying to sort many EasyJet flights, haven’t got through to contact centre all week.

[JeMeSouviens]

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They had the cancel and refund on website last week. I work in travel trying to sort many EasyJet flights, haven’t got through to contact centre all week.

Do you know how long you have after the cancellation to claim a refund? Is it time limited?

[DJ HIBBY]

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Do you know how long you have after the cancellation to claim a refund? Is it time limited?

Good question, if we ever get to speak to EasyJet I will let you know. They are only cancelling bookings on day by day basis. We have resorted to filling out contact form on their website (still waiting on reply). The situation is really frustrating as customers are expecting answers from us but we can’t give them answers because we can’t communicate with airline.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Good question, if we ever get to speak to EasyJet I will let you know. They are only cancelling bookings on day by day basis. We have resorted to filling out contact form on their website (still waiting on reply). The situation is really frustrating as customers are expecting answers from us but we can’t give them answers because we can’t communicate with airline.

Ok, cheers. Don't envy you that job!

[Antifa Hibs]

As pubs go I don't mind Wetherspoons. They're generally nice and clean, bright and airy, great selection of drinks on offer and very very good prices. Staff always good aswell. I frequent them if i'm in the town for one or two to sit outside. Will I in future, probably will. The owner is a brexit voting tory prick but how many other business are the same? I'd guess a helluva lot. Is Tim Martin going to be any better or worse than the other chains or big hospitality businesses? Probably not.

We'll have people boycotting Wetherspoon's but then opting for Amazon to buy their next tele over Richard Sounds. People slating Mike Ashley buy buying their next fitba boots from him cos he's 10% cheaper. People tonight applauding the NHS at 8pm but voted Boris a few month back etc etc. Be more useful if we used our collective force for better rights for all workers across all sectors.

[bobbyhibs1983]

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Do you know how long you have after the cancellation to claim a refund? Is it time limited?

hi

not on the thread topic, but if you look at money saving expert site, there are alot of useful links there in regards flight refunds,Im sure the answer would be somewhere,
If not you can always start a thread!
hope this may be of help to and maybe dj hibby

[Del Boy]

Got an email from KLM cancelling our flights to America next month but they’re only offering vouchers rather than a refund, anyone know if this is allowed? If I fill in form on their website for a refund would I get one? Don’t want to end up with nothing but would rather have the refund than KLM vouchers (valid for a year) that I may not be able to use!

[The Harp Awakes]

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I’m no apologist for royalty but, on this occasion, I have to be. Charles owns a house in the highlands. He is therefore entirely within his rights to choose to stay there. If he then finds he is showing symptoms and falls in to the category for testing, then he is entitled to be tested. His actions are now being torn apart by people with an agenda. I am not sure this is the forum for that debate.

If I owned a house in remote Deeside and I was of independent means, sure as hell I’d move there too in this crisis. It’s not as if he kicked someone out of their home to move in. That was his ancestors who did that.

Good try Charlie boy, but you're still out of order.

[Kato]

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Good try Charlie boy, but you're still out of order.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BjCruicks...31451257139206

Chas' minions accused of mingling with the locals and have now tested positive ? If so, interesting that testing was made available to them.

Dunno if there is truth in the tweets in this link. No matter what this type of accusation was always going to surface.

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[stoneyburn hibs]

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Got an email from KLM cancelling our flights to America next month but they’re only offering vouchers rather than a refund, anyone know if this is allowed? If I fill in form on their website for a refund would I get one? Don’t want to end up with nothing but would rather have the refund than KLM vouchers (valid for a year) that I may not be able to use!

You should be entitled to a refund whilst the government is advising against all but essential travel.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Got an email from KLM cancelling our flights to America next month but they’re only offering vouchers rather than a refund, anyone know if this is allowed? If I fill in form on their website for a refund would I get one? Don’t want to end up with nothing but would rather have the refund than KLM vouchers (valid for a year) that I may not be able to use!

If the airline cancelled the flight then you are entitled to a full refund.

[JeMeSouviens]

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hi

not on the thread topic, but if you look at money saving expert site, there are alot of useful links there in regards flight refunds,Im sure the answer would be somewhere,
If not you can always start a thread!
hope this may be of help to and maybe dj hibby

Cheers, lots of info there. Will report back with anything useful.