The generic Hearts thread

[mcfly]

Hearts have made a mistake asking all players to take 50% cut.

Imagine Boyce? Signs in jan and then 2 months later they say take 50% cut in salary.

His agent will say no way and he will walk.

I’d imagine this has upset a lot of players and staff. Won’t be a happy place when the football does start up again.

[The Count]

If they are letting players go to save cash they must know the season is finished.If not and the season restarts they could be missing vitual players for the relegation battle.If they think there is a chance the season will restartand still taking this action they are in serious financial trouble.

[jacomo]

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Soon as I clicked onto it and realised it was the BBC I clicked off immediately - can't be arsed with 'Fake news' !

Oh jeez... can all the conspiracy theorists / preppers / trump fans take their delusions elsewhere please?

[Keith_M]

Could the Admins maybe start deleting all the politics comments?


I see I'm not the only one getting a bit p1ssed off with them now.

[Billy Whizz]

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Hearts have made a mistake asking all players to take 50% cut.

Imagine Boyce? Signs in jan and then 2 months later they say take 50% cut in salary.

His agent will say no way and he will walk.

I’d imagine this has upset a lot of players and staff. Won’t be a happy place when the football does start up again.

And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

[Waxy]

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And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

We could offer him £3100?
Though he’s not been very good for them, that could be alot to do with certain people at hearts.

[007]

Hearts must be banking on their reconstruction proposal now. If it restarts from where it left off I can't see many players fighting for the jersey now.

[Waxy]

Pretty much only hearts talking about reconstruction. Its a complete no goer.
The leagues are perfectly fine as they are and they cant be changed at this short notice anyway.

[Col2]

Does anyone have a clue when the expected decision will be made on financial distribution (given the urgency) and decision on how the season ends officially IF we can’t conclude it by end of June?

Or are we just waiting until nearer June to then decide.

[FilipinoHibs]

They have to play out the season, anything else will cause too much controversy. Probably means a truncated season next season - 22 or 33 with no split. LC purely knock out with SPL teams coming in at last 16. European places can be determined at current standings if European competition goes ahead.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Oh jeez... can all the conspiracy theorists / preppers / trump fans take their delusions elsewhere please?

Prepper??

Never heard that before. Should I be worried in case I am one?!

[MrSmith]

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Prepper??

Never heard that before. Should I be worried in case I am one?!

It worries me more that there is opinions viewed as worthless - just because!

[007]

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Pretty much only hearts talking about reconstruction. Its a complete no goer.
The leagues are perfectly fine as they are and they cant be changed at this short notice anyway.

Funnily enough Barry Ferguson is too. Barry is pushing for no titles to be given out but wants the promotions for league reconstruction. Kelty would be promoted from the Lowland League to League 2. That'll get him managing at the next level up and give him a promotion on his CV but giving them the title would mean Celtic would have to get the Premiership.

Kelty not getting the title doesn't dent his career aspirations so worth the sacrifice to prevent 9 in a row.

[Ozyhibby]

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They have to play out the season, anything else will cause too much controversy. Probably means a truncated season next season - 22 or 33 with no split. LC purely knock out with SPL teams coming in at last 16. European places can be determined at current standings if European competition goes ahead.

Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.


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[FilipinoHibs]

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Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.


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They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

[Ozyhibby]

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They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

They can get the money as soon as they declare the season over and accept current placings.
They need to start selling next season now and they can’t do that if they don’t intend to start until October.


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[Gloucester Hibs]

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Yip, the clubs are all loaded so will be able to cut their income next season no bother just to fit in games for a season where all the money is already in for.


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If you listen to the likes of TalkSPORT that is literally the only solution many of the pundits are proposing. As if everything exists in the prism of the EPL, which is probably one of the only leagues that could sustain such a course of action 🙄

[mcfly]

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And who’s going to give him that sort of salary just now

They have a contract - they can sit tight and refuse

Or they are let go for nothing and can presumably sign for another club whenever next season starts.

This won’t go on forever and presumably they paid him a signing on fee. ?

[marinello59]

If your priority is political debate then please do it on the Holy Ground.

[MrSmith]

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If your priority is political debate then please do it on the Holy Ground.

Cheers :D

[brog]

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They can't get the money until season is finished. Everybody is going to cut their cloth accordingly. That is the hard facts of this crisis. We are all going to be poorer including football clubs and football players.

Well, they can end the season now & get the money. IMO there's only 3 possible ways forward, I don't think there's any chance of finishing this season's league programme.
1. End season now & final placings are as they currently are. That way, League placings are based on games played, mostly 30.
2. Void the whole league season. That way, everything's based on 8/9 games not played!!
3. Reconstruction. As TV deal depends on uglies playing each other 4 times, the only option is 14 teams with a 6/8 split.

As a footy fan I like option 3, as a Hibs fan I love option 1 & I still think that's way they will go.

[Keith_M]

I can see other clubs having to propose a wage reduction to their players, depending on their financial situation.

There's clubs that are just always in a constant struggle to get by, with small crowds and minimal TV and Sponsorship money. I could understand if they had to tighten their belts.

I suspect, though, that there's some larger clubs club that rely on collecting the Season Ticket money for the following season ASAP, just to see out the current season. To them it's just a way of life, constantly overspending

[Waxy]

Last thing we need is BIGGER leagues for next season anyway.
We’ll be starting late or very late as it is.
End the season now with teams finishing in their current position.
Pay out everyones money.
Only Dundee utd will swap with whoever is bottom.
Just dae it.

[O'Rourke3]

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Well, they can end the season now & get the money. IMO there's only 3 possible ways forward, I don't think there's any chance of finishing this season's league programme.
1. End season now & final placings are as they currently are. That way, League placings are based on games played, mostly 30.
2. Void the whole league season. That way, everything's based on 8/9 games not played!!
3. Reconstruction. As TV deal depends on uglies playing each other 4 times, the only option is 14 teams with a 6/8 split.

As a footy fan I like option 3, as a Hibs fan I love option 1 & I still think that's way they will go.

6/8 split means less games for the 6. Changing the league set up to appease a few teams at the bottom of the league is an ill thought through plan. The teams in the lowest leagues are left with fewer games to play and make income, or a bunch of teams who are not equipped are promoted too soon.

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[Caversham Green]

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I can see other clubs having to propose a wage reduction to their players, depending on their financial situation.

There's clubs that are just always in a constant struggle to get by, with small crowds and minimal TV and Sponsorship money. I could understand if they had to tighten their belts.

I suspect, thought, that there's some larger clubs club that rely on collecting the Season Ticket money for the following season ASAP, just to see out the current season. To them it's just a way of life, constantly overspending

That's reflected in the cash balance and deferred income figures in the accounts.

At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.

[Jack]

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Last thing we need is BIGGER leagues for next season anyway.
We’ll be starting late or very late as it is.
End the season now with teams finishing in their current position.
Pay out everyones money.
Only Dundee utd will swap with whoever is bottom.
Just dae it.

There was a government advisory group softening us up for social distancing for the rest of this year!

If that's the case we could almost finish this season starting February/March next year!!!

Just think. Players back training in January, a couple of friendlies for match practice, just pick up where we left off this season.

[grunt]

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At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.

That's a shocking fact. No wonder their accounts were qualified. They were, weren't they?

It's almost as bad as the days when they were spending 106% of their income on wages.

[007]

They've had a very high turnover of players in the Budge/Levein era and how many of them have either reached the end of their contract and left or have been bought by another club? Not many so that means they've had to pay off a heck of a lot of them to get them off the payroll and clear the way for the next batch of duds and begin the cycle all over again.

[MrSmith]

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That's reflected in the cash balance and deferred income figures in the accounts.

At 30 June 2019 Hearts had collected £5.2m season ticket money for this season and had £0.6m in the bank. They'd spent £4.6m of this season's money to achieve their 6th place last season. That's the real reason why they've had to halve their staff's wages now.

That is bloody awful! That lot really need to accept their fate and just swallow it! They have gotten away with so much pish over the years that it's embarrassing. The year they relegated Dundee by not declaring admin till end of season was the most despicable football act in recent times.

[Waxy]

Good point that all the championship clubs would have budgeted on a decent supported team down there next year.