Scottish Independence

[lapsedhibee]

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They're just stirring **** up. They didn't put on any pretty light shows for the Catalans when they were being baton charged by the Spanish police not so long ago

You're aware that Spain's in the EU and the UK isn't?

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And was a nice touch that the EU Commission building in Brussels projected "Europe [Heart] Scotland" on to itself on Friday night.

I'm fairly certain that was not the action of the EU Commission. They'd be hauled across the courts if they got involved in another country's politics. I'm guessing it was an SNP stunt, but a good one nonetheless.

[lapsedhibee]

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I'm fairly certain that was not the action of the EU Commission. They'd be hauled across the courts if they got involved in another country's politics. I'm guessing it was an SNP stunt, but a good one nonetheless.

Probably

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Probably

Specially when it echoes this ad put out by SNP on Friday

https://twitter.com/i/status/1223337863279972357

[lapsedhibee]

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Specially when it echoes this ad put out by SNP on Friday

https://twitter.com/i/status/1223337863279972357

Ah, cleanish beaches. When will we see their likes again?

[Ozyhibby]

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Ah, cleanish beaches. When will we see their likes again?

Yip, big business will be looking forward to all those pesky EU regulations going away.


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[WeeRussell]

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You're aware that Spain's in the EU and the UK isn't?

😂😂😂

[CloudSquall]

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And was a nice touch that the EU Commission building in Brussels projected "Europe [Heart] Scotland" on to itself on Friday night.

I was reading about this on Twitter, and it appears it was the Scottish Government that paid for that.

Someone at the Commission confirmed they wouldn't do it in order to avoid getting involved in the internal politics of a third party state.

As an indy supporter, it's absolute cringe.

[weecounty hibby]

I don't see it as cringe at all. Whatever that actually means. Very good piece of PR seen all over Europe and if you do look at Twitter then it has been received positively all across the continent. To get an independent Scotland we need to get the no/remain voters on side. When they see how welcome Scotland will be across Europe that is a great start. Donald Tusks comments today are also very welcome. England is going to be an isolated country in the future with no UK as Scotland gains independence, Ireland is unified and support for Welsh independence rising, no EU support either.

[JeMeSouviens]

Donald Tusk: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lied-to-rejoin

[Slavers]

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I don't see it as cringe at all. Whatever that actually means. Very good piece of PR seen all over Europe and if you do look at Twitter then it has been received positively all across the continent. To get an independent Scotland we need to get the no/remain voters on side. When they see how welcome Scotland will be across Europe that is a great start. Donald Tusks comments today are also very welcome. England is going to be an isolated country in the future with no UK as Scotland gains independence, Ireland is unified and support for Welsh independence rising, no EU support either.

A good piece of PR? The SNP stage a stunt and lie to the people of Scotland saying the EU had shone the light on their building but in fact it was a stunt paid for by the SNP.

If they are willing to lie about something like this I'd imagine the SNP will tell any lie they can to get independence.

[weecounty hibby]

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A good piece of PR? The SNP stage a stunt and lie to the people of Scotland saying the EU had shone the light on their building but in fact it was a stunt paid for by the SNP.

If they are willing to lie about something like this I'd imagine the SNP will tell any lie they can to get independence.

Wow, just wow. You want to talk about lies. Let's start with the £350m per week to the NHS. Or that voting no is the only way to stay in the EU. Both proven to be absolute garbage and in the case of the £350m, the very day after the referendum. As long as you are happy that the likes of Johnson, Rees Mogg and their like are making millions out of their lies though.
I haven't seen anywhere that the Scottish government claimed anywhere that it was done by the European parliament either.

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A good piece of PR? The SNP stage a stunt and lie to the people of Scotland saying the EU had shone the light on their building but in fact it was a stunt paid for by the SNP.

If they are willing to lie about something like this I'd imagine the SNP will tell any lie they can to get independence.

This is flipping hilarious.

[jonty]

Hilarious.
EU do it and its a message
SNP do it and its a stunt.

Scotland does love the EU. fact.

[Slavers]

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Hilarious.
EU do it and its a message
SNP do it and its a stunt.

Scotland does love the EU. fact.

You are misunderstanding what's happened.

The SNP paid for a light to shine on the EU office in Brussels the light said - EU loves Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

I could understand the SNP saying Scotland loves the EU but to set up an event like this then try and pass it of as the work of the EU expressing their love fir Scotland then it is shameful.

[lapsedhibee]

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You are misunderstanding what's happened.

The SNP paid for a light to shine on the EU office in Brussels the light said - EU loves Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

I could understand the SNP saying Scotland loves the EU but to set up an event like this then try and pass it of as the work of the EU expressing their love fir Scotland then it is shameful.

Good you could understand that, as that's what it did say.

[lapsedhibee]

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Donald Tusk: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lied-to-rejoin

Very Un-European of Tusk, according to someone with his finger on the pulse of what Europeanism's all about

[Slavers]

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Good you could understand that, as that's what it did say.

Ok fair enough I concede defeat on this.

[jonty]

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You are misunderstanding what's happened.

The SNP paid for a light to shine on the EU office in Brussels the light said - EU loves Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

I could understand the SNP saying Scotland loves the EU but to set up an event like this then try and pass it of as the work of the EU expressing their love fir Scotland then it is shameful.

I'm very well aware of whats happening, thanks. Its called perspective.
The same image was made on Portobello beach.

You chose to read it down and across.
I read it across and down.

'Scotland Loves Europe Sand Art'
https://twitter.com/i/status/1223337863279972357

[Mon Dieu4]

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Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

Look at the picture again, top right hand corner

[JeMeSouviens]

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You are misunderstanding what's happened.

The SNP paid for a light to shine on the EU office in Brussels the light said - EU loves Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

I could understand the SNP saying Scotland loves the EU but to set up an event like this then try and pass it of as the work of the EU expressing their love fir Scotland then it is shameful.

It’s you that didn’t get it. Look at the pic again. There’s one office light on, that’s what NS was alluding to in a tongue-in-cheek fashion.

[lapsedhibee]

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There’s one office light on.

Shh. If Raab finds out he'll be wanting whoever left it on sacked for crimes against democracy, or some other pish.

[Moulin Yarns]

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You are misunderstanding what's happened.

The SNP paid for a light to shine on the EU office in Brussels the light said - EU loves Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon then tweets looks like the EU have left a light on but the reality is the EU had no part in this stunt. It was paid for and organised by the SNP.

I could understand the SNP saying Scotland loves the EU but to set up an event like this then try and pass it of as the work of the EU expressing their love fir Scotland then it is shameful.

The light left on bit was because one of the office windows was lit. Honestly, just stop slavering.

[Slavers]

SNP Government trying to hide bad news about the Scottish Economy.

"Scottish economic output or GDP has fallen by 3%, reducing the overall value of the economy by £5 billion.
The revision of the figures to £175 billion from £180 billion is revealed in the Scottish Government’s quarterly national accounts.

The accounts also show that the Scottish economic deficit of £12.6 billion has now risen to 7.2% of GDP, when it was previously 7%.
This downward revision moves Scotland further away from the European Union’s requirement that to join the EU, a state’s deficit must be no more than 3%.
The reduction is largely attributable to a revision in the value of North Sea oil and exacerbated by sluggish economic growth.
The GDP figures emerged at the weekend, having not been announced by the Scottish Government in its economic press release, nor were they available on the usual statistical website."

The big question for independence pro EU supporters, how does Scotland reduce it's budget deficit to 3% from 7.2% thus allowing it to meet the requirements to join the EU?

[CloudSquall]

What was Croatia's deficit when it joined the EU?

It's nice to know well in advance however what lie unionists are using as the top play this time around.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...nd-joining-eu/

https://theferret.scot/scotland-deficit-3-per-cent-eu/

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https://theferret.scot/scotland-deficit-3-per-cent-eu/

Thanks for posting this before I could :D

Ferret Fact Service verdict: Mostly False

Ian Murray’s claim that any country joining the EU must have a deficit of three per cent or below is misleading. While EU rules state that member countries should keep their deficit below that threshold, it is not a specific condition for new candidate countries. It is instead intended as a measure to ensure members comply with EU “budgetary discipline”.

[Ozyhibby]

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SNP Government trying to hide bad news about the Scottish Economy.

"Scottish economic output or GDP has fallen by 3%, reducing the overall value of the economy by £5 billion.
The revision of the figures to £175 billion from £180 billion is revealed in the Scottish Government’s quarterly national accounts.

The accounts also show that the Scottish economic deficit of £12.6 billion has now risen to 7.2% of GDP, when it was previously 7%.
This downward revision moves Scotland further away from the European Union’s requirement that to join the EU, a state’s deficit must be no more than 3%.
The reduction is largely attributable to a revision in the value of North Sea oil and exacerbated by sluggish economic growth.
The GDP figures emerged at the weekend, having not been announced by the Scottish Government in its economic press release, nor were they available on the usual statistical website."

The big question for independence pro EU supporters, how does Scotland reduce it's budget deficit to 3% from 7.2% thus allowing it to meet the requirements to join the EU?

The Scottish government does not control Scotland’s economy.


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Professor Steve Peers blog post from 2017

http://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2017/03/scotland-eu-and-indyref2-legal-issues.html?m=1

[StevieC]

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[/I]The big question for independence pro EU supporters, how does Scotland reduce it's budget deficit to 3% from 7.2% thus allowing it to meet the requirements to join the EU?
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I’ve lost count of the amount of times this has been debunked.

The Scottish Government is not allowed to have a deficit. It has a fixed budget and has to work within that fixed budget. Any deficit figures that the UK government comes up with is based on borrowing that they have, and applied a proportion to Scotland.
As the UK government don’t provide figures for the ACTUAL tax incomes relating to Scotland, it’s impossible to tell how accurate these figures are or how they might fare for an Independent Scotland.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I’ve lost count of the amount of times this has been debunked.

The Scottish Government is not allowed to have a deficit. It has a fixed budget and has to work within that fixed budget. Any deficit figures that the UK government comes up with is based on borrowing that they have, and applied a proportion to Scotland.
As the UK government don’t provide figures for the ACTUAL tax incomes relating to Scotland, it’s impossible to tell how accurate these figures are or how they might fare for an Independent Scotland.

And this is something that whoever is in charge of of YES2 needs to get a grip of so that there can be some realistic answers.