Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Hibercelona]

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I think we face a real problem here, and it is largely of the media's doing.

They have lied to the Rangers fans throughout, note how they are continually described as being relegated from the SPL, relegated to SFL3, banned from Europe etc etc painting them all as punishments.

They aren't punishments of course. We have all figured that out.

However, for I'm sure a very large number of Rangers fans, they are just taking in what the media is telling them. They believe these things to be punishments, they have been sold a story that they are the same club and they have ran with it.

With this in mind, that is why they are now going crazy at the 'evil, ridiculous, further punishments' because the hacks of spun them the story that they've suffered enough, I can fully see why they are going crazy.


And the problem for the wider game is, this has not been handled in anything like a proper manner. If it had been, we'd have a chance of the new Rangers one day making it back, having accepted its misdeeds and moved on. Instead, Rangers will eventually return, even more bitter, even more bile fuelled, its 'lunatic fringe' riven with hatred for every club and every governing body in the land.

It's not going to end well, frankly.

If we can look beyond the media to see whats really going on, then why can't they?

Either they are incredibly thick, or they know exactly what is going on and think they are too big to face any real punishment.

[Saorsa]

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I think we face a real problem here, and it is largely of the media's doing.

They have lied to the Rangers fans throughout, note how they are continually described as being relegated from the SPL, relegated to SFL3, banned from Europe etc etc painting them all as punishments.

They aren't punishments of course. We have all figured that out.

However, for I'm sure a very large number of Rangers fans, they are just taking in what the media is telling them. They believe these things to be punishments, they have been sold a story that they are the same club and they have ran with it.

With this in mind, that is why they are now going crazy at the 'evil, ridiculous, further punishments' because the hacks of spun them the story that they've suffered enough, I can fully see why they are going crazy.


And the problem for the wider game is, this has not been handled in anything like a proper manner. If it had been, we'd have a chance of the new Rangers one day making it back, having accepted its misdeeds and moved on. Instead, Rangers will eventually return, even more bitter, even more bile fuelled, its 'lunatic fringe' riven with hatred for every club and every governing body in the land.

It's not going to end well, frankly.

Too thick tae think for themselves, probably even get somebody tae read their daily bogroll for them. Hardly surprising when they cannae even walk upright.



Here's one of the mair advanced ones

[greenginger]

I think its time to dig out that highlights clip from the Souness ordering off on his Rangers debut at Easter Rd, showing McCoist sneaking up behind Mark Foulton, punching him on the back of the head then running off like the cowardly yaff he is.

The clip should be posted on as many other fans web sites as possible just in case there is any doubt anywhere about McCoist's loathsome character.

[Hiber-nation]

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I think its time to dig out that highlights clip from the Souness ordering off on his Rangers debut at Easter Rd, showing McCoist sneaking up behind Mark Foulton, punching him on the back of the head then running off like the cowardly yaff he is.

The clip should be posted on as many other fans web sites as possible just in case there is any doubt anywhere about McCoist's loathsome character.

Edited as original post contained hun propaganda...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjSyWIli0E

[Saorsa]

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I think its time to dig out that highlights clip from the Souness ordering off on his Rangers debut at Easter Rd, showing McCoist sneaking up behind Mark Foulton, punching him on the back of the head then running off like the cowardly yaff he is.

The clip should be posted on as many other fans web sites as possible just in case there is any doubt anywhere about McCoist's loathsome character.

[ScottB]

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If we can look beyond the media to see whats really going on, then why can't they?

Either they are incredibly thick, or they know exactly what is going on and think they are too big to face any real punishment.

Because for the worst of them it all feeds into the delusion doesn't it.

Rather than this mess jerking them into reality, it will push them further into it. When Rangers make it back to the SPL, I think they'll be far worse than they already were!

[EdinMike]

And why would "They" want the dual contract charges dropped class ?!

Right, cause they are guilty !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

[Brando7]

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And why would "They" want the dual contract charges dropped class ?!

Right, cause they are guilty !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

absolute disgrace they demanding the SPL to drop their investigation into dual contracts, they better tell them to GFT, fans will never accept this if they let them off with this!!!!!!!!!

[ScottB]

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absolute disgrace they demanding the SPL to drop their investigation into dual contracts, they better tell them to GFT, fans will never accept this if they let them off with this!!!!!!!!!

It won't matter either way, they'll pull a Juve. The fans and the club will never acknowledge it and carry right on with their 5 stars. Just as Juventus still include the titles they won through match fixing, see this seasons kit with '30 Titles' written on it, and selling the third star separately with their kits so fans can add it on.

I'm surprised they are bothering to fight it, given that even if the SFA do it, they will never recognise it. May as well just agree.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It won't matter either way, they'll pull a Juve. The fans and the club will never acknowledge it and carry right on with their 5 stars. Just as Juventus still include the titles they won through match fixing, see this seasons kit with '30 Titles' written on it, and selling the third star separately with their kits so fans can add it on.

I'm surprised they are bothering to fight it, given that even if the SFA do it, they will never recognise it. May as well just agree.

I disagree. It may well matter, if they are found guilty. It might be enough to have them expelled for good.

[ScottB]

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I disagree. It may well matter, if they are found guilty. It might be enough to have them expelled for good.

There's no way they'll ever be gone for good. I could see them being banned for a season, but that's why the SFA is determined to get them to take the transfer band so that they don't have to refer them back to their independent panel.

Even if punishments start getting handed down, newco will go after a new licence if the old one is banned, and I'd wager they'd get given one, accounts or no accounts.

[Hibernia&Alba]

How many Hibs.netters have taken a look at FF and RM during this whole process? It's truly frightening how many Huns start threads which spuriously try to connect the whole process since they entered administration in February to the Catholic church in Scotland. I'm not an adherent of any faith, I have no interest in religion, but the number of bigots on those sites is terrifying and is an embarrassment to the country. Perhaps the extremists are over-represented on such sites simply becuase it's inevitable the hardliners will shout the loudest and make themselves heard, but I would be utterly disgusted if even one person expressed such views on a Hibs site. Their penchant for conspiracy theories and a belief in a holy war happening in Scotland today is just astonishing. Glasgow may be just down the road but it seems like another planet to me. There must be a silent majority of sane people in a western liberal democracy? If they weren't the biggest club in the country it wouldn't be so serious, but I just hate the thought of a small number of lunatics trying to turn Scotland into Northern Ireland during the bad old days. Some of them actively want this.

I worry there are enough idiots to follow those demagogues with malicious intent, and the lack of condemnation in such threads on those sites is a concern. I kid you not, there is currently a thread on FF in which it is mooted that, the sanctions against Rangers being an accepted Catholic conspiracy, there could now be a case for the ethnic cleansing of Scotland's Catholic population. Reasonable voices are shouted down.

The process of football sanctions cannot be threatened and bullied by the lunatic fringe of the Rangers support, and I really hope the nutters are defeated.

[Lungo--Drom]

Well said. One of the reasons I'm glad I support Hibs and not Celtic, like a lot of people I know including cousins, is that a lot of Celtic fans also can't separate football from 'plastic paddy' and IRA, just like the lunatic fringe Huns can't separate football from Orangeism and UDA etc. It's really depressing that some troglodytes on both sides of the OF fence just see it all as part of the same thing with football being some sort of sectarian stage.

One positive, on a Hun forum the other week that was linked to by a poster on this thread, there was a paranoid Hun rabbiting on about the "mhedia chonspirancy" and he referred to this country as the Republic of Scotland, which I take to mean he felt Scotland was like tartan version of the Republic of Ireland, and by default no longer part of Britain. Pity they wouldn't all up sticks and go and live in a refugee camp outside Buckingham Palace :

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How many Hibs.netters have taken a look at FF and RM during this whole process? It's truly frightening how many Huns start threads which spuriously try to connect the whole process since they entered administration in February to the Catholic church in Scotland. I'm not an adherent of any faith, I have no interest in religion, but the number of bigots on those sites is terrifying and is an embarrassment to the country. Perhaps the extremists are over-represented on such sites simply becuase it's inevitable the hardliners will shout the loudest and make themselves heard, but I would be utterly disgusted if even one person expressed such views on a Hibs site. Their penchant for conspiracy theories and a belief in a holy war happening in Scotland today is just astonishing. Glasgow may be just down the road but it seems like another planet to me. There must be a silent majority of sane people in a western liberal democracy? If they weren't the biggest club in the country it wouldn't be so serious, but I just hate the thought of a small number of lunatics trying to turn Scotland into Northern Ireland during the bad old days. Some of them actively want this.

I worry there are enough idiots to follow those demagogues with malicious intent, and the lack of condemnation in such threads on those sites is a concern. I kid you not, there is currently a thread on FF in which it is mooted that, the sanctions against Rangers being an accepted Catholic conspiracy, there could now be a case for the ethnic cleansing of Scotland's Catholic population. Reasonable voices are shouted down.

The process of football sanctions cannot be threatened and bullied by the lunatic fringe of the Rangers support, and I really hope the nutters are defeated.

[Lungo--Drom]

There are 830,000 Roman Catholics in Scotland plus a lot more people whose immediate family or other relatives are but they themselves no longer consider themselves RC or Christian, plus there are also decent law abiding non-Hun / non-nutcase people in their hundreds of thousands out of the 5.2 million population. If the jabbering Orange sectarian thugmonkeys on FF and RM etc. want 'ethnic cleansing' then they better watch out it isn't them who get cleansed (any kind of cleaning would be a first for them right enough). The recent SPL and SFL teams fans reaction and actions against Rangers show that thankfully the mental case Hun / Loyalist / sectarian nutters are in much smaller numbers than most people think. I think well over 80% of Scottish people would soon put these rabid dogs in their place.

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How many Hibs.netters have taken a look at FF and RM during this whole process? It's truly frightening how many Huns start threads which spuriously try to connect the whole process since they entered administration in February to the Catholic church in Scotland. I'm not an adherent of any faith, I have no interest in religion, but the number of bigots on those sites is terrifying and is an embarrassment to the country. Perhaps the extremists are over-represented on such sites simply becuase it's inevitable the hardliners will shout the loudest and make themselves heard, but I would be utterly disgusted if even one person expressed such views on a Hibs site. Their penchant for conspiracy theories and a belief in a holy war happening in Scotland today is just astonishing. Glasgow may be just down the road but it seems like another planet to me. There must be a silent majority of sane people in a western liberal democracy? If they weren't the biggest club in the country it wouldn't be so serious, but I just hate the thought of a small number of lunatics trying to turn Scotland into Northern Ireland during the bad old days. Some of them actively want this.

I worry there are enough idiots to follow those demagogues with malicious intent, and the lack of condemnation in such threads on those sites is a concern. I kid you not, there is currently a thread on FF in which it is mooted that, the sanctions against Rangers being an accepted Catholic conspiracy, there could now be a case for the ethnic cleansing of Scotland's Catholic population. Reasonable voices are shouted down.

The process of football sanctions cannot be threatened and bullied by the lunatic fringe of the Rangers support, and I really hope the nutters are defeated.

[Lungo--Drom]

McCoist is only worthy of three words:

Fat Hun Tool

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I think its time to dig out that highlights clip from the Souness ordering off on his Rangers debut at Easter Rd, showing McCoist sneaking up behind Mark Foulton, punching him on the back of the head then running off like the cowardly yaff he is.

The clip should be posted on as many other fans web sites as possible just in case there is any doubt anywhere about McCoist's loathsome character.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Well said. One of the reasons I'm glad I support Hibs and not Celtic, like a lot of people I know including cousins, is that a lot of Celtic fans also can't separate football from 'plastic paddy' and IRA, just like the lunatic fringe Huns can't separate football from Orangeism and UDA etc. It's really depressing that some troglodytes on both sides of the OF fence just see it all as part of the same thing with football being some sort of sectarian stage.

One positive, on a Hun forum the other week that was linked to by a poster on this thread, there was a paranoid Hun rabbiting on about the "mhedia chonspirancy" and he referred to this country as the Republic of Scotland, which I take to mean he felt Scotland was like tartan version of the Republic of Ireland, and by default no longer part of Britain. Pity they wouldn't all up sticks and go and live in a refugee camp outside Buckingham Palace :

Mate, it's a complete showing up for Scotland when people who have never experienced what happened in Northern Ireland import those hatreds into Scotland. Thankfully we never had to live it, yet Scotland's central belt has too many of those buffoons, and the Old Firm are a manifestation of extremist terminology minus the risk. They have no idea of the tragedy that was experienced in Ireland, yet they want to show how genuine they are to one side or the other. There is nothing genuine about bigotry and the bravado of idiots, but the rest of us have to listen to their mental songs and their uneducated views, which they feel are justified by force of numbers alone. I bet most have never read a book about the Irish conflict, yet they become utterly convinced of their righteousness from childhood. Bigotry replaces analysis, particularly in the Rangers support where their anti-Catholic views are much more embedded than any anti-Protestant views by most Celtic fans. The Celtic away support manifests its bigotry via simplistic PIRA sloganeering, which is no more acceptable.


We can't allow football sanctions to be conflated with other things by morons.

[Newry Hibs]

OK - bit of a recap needed. When I left for my holidays and an enforced break from this thread, the SFL vote was about to take place and there were plenty of threats from various groups that div 1 was the only place for Newco.

Despite all the posturing, the SFL stood firm and sure enough div 3 awaits. However there now seems to be a shift in the SFA stance where there is even talk of no licence at all and titles lost.

Is there a point / reason where the mood changed and the SFA are actually doing their job?

[Onion]

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Really - I mean really - how thick would you have to be to think, at this stage, after all that's gone on, that you can still dictate what's acceptable and what's not acceptable as your punishment?

McCoist has become a typical arrogant Hun, trying to appease the thousands of other arrogant Huns. He's a "fan" don't you know.

Shame, cause a few years ago he was one of the very few decent ex-Huns who always seemed to speak sense. Now, his head is mush. Lost all sense of perspective and bitter to the core.

[Hibercelona]

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Mate, it's a complete showing up for Scotland when people who have never experienced what happened in Northern Ireland import those hatreds into Scotland. Thankfully we never had to live it, yet Scotland's central belt has too many of those buffoons, and the Old Firm are a manifestation of extremist terminology minus the risk. They have no idea of the tragedy that was experienced in Ireland, yet they want to show how genuine they are to one side or the other. There is nothing genuine about bigotry and the bravado of idiots, but the rest of us have to listen to their mental songs and their uneducated views, which they feel are justified by force of numbers alone. I bet most have never read a book about the Irish conflict, yet they become utterly convinced of their righteousness from childhood. Bigotry replaces analysis, particularly in the Rangers support where their anti-Catholic views are much more embedded than any anti-Protestant views by most Celtic fans. The Celtic away support manifests its bigotry via simplistic PIRA sloganeering, which is no more acceptable.


We can't allow football sanctions to be conflated with other things by morons.

It would be like saying that you hate the Germans for WW2, even although you had nothing to do with WW2 and neither did today's generation of Germans.

Rangers fans make my blood boil. (Not all of them, but about 99% of them).

[Onion]

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And why would "They" want the dual contract charges dropped class ?!

Right, cause they are guilty !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound

Thats straight admission of guilt. The Huns are no position to negotiate anything at this stage, and the SFA/SPL should stand their ground. IMHO, NewHun will not be playing any football this season, and - whether McCoist likes it or not - they get titles and cups stripped from their records. Sweet.

[Siralbertkidd]

They just are not learning the lesson, a classic case of denial.
Until they have a humility transplant therangers will act in the same manner as rangers did and expected to get away with.

So far, I cant see any punishments handed out to therangers, but they have had the advantage of being chosen without the full set of qualifications , above others who have, into Division 3.

In return they should be looking to assist Scottish Football financially every way they can to minimalise the damage done by their parent company.

Therangers dont have any titles or cup wins to be stripped and while McCoist continues with his tunnel vision, I have now moved my position to looking for non registration as my preferred outcome.

I would also like to see Ajax become Team 12

[jonty]

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OK - bit of a recap needed. When I left for my holidays and an enforced break from this thread, the SFL vote was about to take place and there were plenty of threats from various groups that div 1 was the only place for Newco.

Despite all the posturing, the SFL stood firm and sure enough div 3 awaits. However there now seems to be a shift in the SFA stance where there is even talk of no licence at all and titles lost.

Is there a point / reason where the mood changed and the SFA are actually doing their job?

They were voted into the SFL/SPL structure at SFL div 3. Now thats agreed, they need to arrange for SFA membership. They want oldco's, but dont want oldco's punishments for deeds done whilst holding membership.
If they were to apply for new membership, they need 3/4 years accounts - which they dont have.

[johnrebus]

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Thats straight admission of guilt. The Huns are no position to negotiate anything at this stage, and the SFA/SPL should stand their ground. IMHO, NewHun will not be playing any football this season, and - whether McCoist likes it or not - they get titles and cups stripped from their records. Sweet.

This is looking increasingly likely - provided the SFA stand their ground.

If they come back in a week, one, two or five years, it will be as a new club - no history, no nothing. The SFA must apply the rules.

The next few days are crucial.

[johnrebus]

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Rangers manager Ally McCoist defiant over title losses
Full article : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18938991



If you dont want the punishments that go with the old membership Ally, then toddle off and play in the juniors until you can meet the league requirements.

Have never fallen for the McCoist cheekie chappy stuff, even refused to watch, 'Question of Sport', when he was on the thing. But even he cannot now disguise his true personality - and it is not a pretty sight.

However, my dislike for the man has to be tempered by a morsel of humanity - this is only a game after all - so I believe that McCoist's best action now would be to walk away, because in every photograph I see of him in the press, he looks older and more ill by the day - he looks like a heart attack just waiting to happen. At forty nine years old he looks all of sixty in the last pic I saw.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

And Kenny McDowell looked 60 when he played for St Midden!!!

[Newry Hibs]

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They were voted into the SFL/SPL structure at SFL div 3. Now thats agreed, they need to arrange for SFA membership. They want oldco's, but dont want oldco's punishments for deeds done whilst holding membership.
If they were to apply for new membership, they need 3/4 years accounts - which they dont have.

OK - but given how the SFA were prepared to shoe-horn them in anywhere and even reorganise the leagues, a simple case of missing accounts could surely have been overlooked.

Anyway, it's still entertaining knwoing they are in div 3 at best this year.

[Minder]

Is this for real?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/07...6908-23911276/

[EuanH78]

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Is this for real?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/07...6908-23911276/

CCS - Ya bam.

[jonty]

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OK - but given how the SFA were prepared to shoe-horn them in anywhere and even reorganise the leagues, a simple case of missing accounts could surely have been overlooked.

Anyway, it's still entertaining knwoing they are in div 3 at best this year.

The voice of the fans, clubs taking notice and some decent journalism has meant nothing could really be swept under the carpet.

Be prepared for some lenient punishments though - but McCoist just keeps painting himself into a corner.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

There is absolutely no doubt that they won all the titles unfairly, and each one of the medals is tarnished so badly with the stain of cheating and hypocrisy, that all the brasso in the world won't wipe it off. I would have thought it would be more appropriate to let them keep them as a testament to their core values? Hollow, hollow, we are the bully boys.