Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[SteveHFC]

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his resignation speech?

Hopefully mate

[Saorsa]

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Hopefully mate

Wishful thinking, nae chance that slime ball will walk, he'll need booted.

[Sylar]

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I have to say, even although it's taken 5 months, when rangers announced administration on valentines day, I doubt very many people, myself included, thought that rangers would start this season in the bottom division.
Well done to all clubs for standing firm, and to the fans for forcing it. Justice has been done, and at the end of it, they've been treated like the rest of us would. And it looks like the sfa are concerned about action from FIFA so are pushing on with their sanctions. It would be hilarious if sevco didn't get out of the 3rd this season!

I'm a little perplexed when it comes to this to be honest.

How can a new company/club have sanctions imposed as punishment for the behaviour of a separate company?

They scarcely have a squad to compete this forthcoming season as it is (and will be relying mostly on youth players) and will struggle to attract anyone to the third division.

A court of law has already deemed the transfer embargo to be an unfair punishment, so if there is valid reason to impose these sanctions on the Newco, surely a year ban from the Scottish Cup would be sufficient and most suitable?

All we, as fans, asked for, was that they be treated like any other club. That has happened and now the SFA want to impose further punishment for the actions of a club which are no longer in the Scottish Football setup.

Or am I missing something horribly obvious?

[EdinMike]

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his resignation speech?

Not a chance, he did explain Dundee being promoted through merit and the reason why Dunfermline were not was because of the "Contractural Agreement" between the SPL and the SFL to have the bottem team relegated and the top team promoted... Apparently.

Apart from that he's just doing his usual waffling and dodging questions.

[Saorsa]

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I'm a little perplexed when it comes to this to be honest.

How can a new company/club have sanctions imposed as punishment for the behaviour of a separate company?

They scarcely have a squad to compete this forthcoming season as it is (and will be relying mostly on youth players) and will struggle to attract anyone to the third division.

A court of law has already deemed the transfer embargo to be an unfair punishment, so if there is valid reason to impose these sanctions on the Newco, surely a year ban from the Scottish Cup would be sufficient and most suitable?

All we, as fans, asked for, was that they be treated like any other club. That has happened and now the SFA want to impose further punishment for the actions of a club which are no longer in the Scottish Football setup.

Or am I missing something horribly obvious?

The only way they can get an SFA membership is tae have the old huns one transfered and that comes with the punishments, they wouldnae qualify if they applied for a new membership.

[Mon Dieu4]

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I'm a little perplexed when it comes to this to be honest.

How can a new company/club have sanctions imposed as punishment for the behaviour of a separate company?

They scarcely have a squad to compete this forthcoming season as it is (and will be relying mostly on youth players) and will struggle to attract anyone to the third division.

A court of law has already deemed the transfer embargo to be an unfair punishment, so if there is valid reason to impose these sanctions on the Newco, surely a year ban from the Scottish Cup would be sufficient and most suitable?

All we, as fans, asked for, was that they be treated like any other club. That has happened and now the SFA want to impose further punishment for the actions of a club which are no longer in the Scottish Football setup.

Or am I missing something horribly obvious?

because its rangers SFA licence they are transferring, they can't have their cake and eat it, they already have a newco accepted into the league licence dependent

the fact green took them to court won't have done them any favours

[Hibercelona]

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now we know why, the reason that ****** wanted us in the 1st div, i'm done with scottish football

the feinan mentality in the govern bodies is rife

They just never learn do they? I hope they get so many sanctions that they are booted out of the SFL for good.

[Saorsa]

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They just never learn do they? I hope they get so many sanctions that they are booted out of the SFL for good.

They forgot tae mention the catholic conspiracy tae restore James II tae the throne.......

















.....oops, sorry wrong century

[hibsbollah]

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I have to say, even although it's taken 5 months, when rangers announced administration on valentines day, I doubt very many people, myself included, thought that rangers would start this season in the bottom division.
Well done to all clubs for standing firm, and to the fans for forcing it. Justice has been done, and at the end of it, they've been treated like the rest of us would. And it looks like the sfa are concerned about action from FIFA so are pushing on with their sanctions. It would be hilarious if sevco didn't get out of the 3rd this season!

In amidst all the criticism and mirth levelled at the Scottish game recently, it should be remembered that despite the bullying and scheming by the powers, the FANS and the CLUBS stood up for natural justice, and stood firm in the face of public and private harassment.

It could turn out to be Scottish footballs greatest moment. The forced separation of the old firm and the end of the duopoly and the associated national shame of institutional sectarianism.

[AlbertK86]

Pure magic

SFA stick to yer guns

Seems to be take the sanctions or die completely

[jgl07]

Tom Shields in the Herald came up with some brilliant options for the SPL, SFL and SFL to deal with the demise and rebirth of Rangers:

Option One: The Big League

Put all 42 SFL and SPL clubs into a single League playing each other once a season. There would be three cup competitions, the Ramsdens Pornbroker Challenge Cup, the League Cup and the Scottish Cup. Rangers would be guaranteed to play Celtic in all three using a combination of the 'hot ball' and 'cold ball' techniques for draws.

Option Two: The Celtic Reserve Idea

Rangers would play in SFL3 but so would Celtic Reserves to ensure the quota of four old firm matches a year was maintained. Celtic Reserves would not be allowed to enter the League Cup or the Scottish Cup to avoid a Celtic v Celtic final.

Option Three: The Sky League

A supplementary competition - the Sky League - would be set up involing Rangers laying Celtic once a month. A Hampden Park playoff would be ensured by gerrymandering the results.

Option Four: The Bobby Ewing League

The last year has all been a dream. The SPL and the SFL would continue as if nothing had happened with Rangers in the SPL.

Option Five: League Expansion

The SPL would be increased to 16 teams including Newco. They would play each other home and away with three end of season playoffs. The top four would playoff for the Championship and European places. The bottom four would play off to avoid relegation. Ther middle eight would play off for the Liquidation Cup. The winner would have their debts wiped out.

Option Six: Carry On

The season would go ahead with Newco in SFL3. There would be serious consequences as fans would have to watch games in the stadia rather than on TV. Teams may be unusually full of Scottish players.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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P15h!

2000 X £26 = £52,000

Theres a wee fat guy with a tache' in the posh seats who's job it is to maximize Hibs income who might disagree with your assessment of this scenario.

[Hibercelona]

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Option Six: Carry On

The season would go ahead with Newco in SFL3. There would be serious consequences as fans would have to watch games in the stadia rather than on TV. Teams may be unusually full of Scottish players.

That would be a good thing IMO.

Perhaps more people will get of their erchies and go to see their local teams play.

Most non-scottish players we have signed over the years have been complete duds. Scottish players have a better understanding of the Scottish game better than any foreign passengers.

[greenginger]

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2000 X £26 = £52,000

Theres a wee fat guy with a tache' in the posh seats who's job it is to maximize Hibs income who might disagree with your assessment of this scenario.

You forgot to deduct VAT and costs of disinfection.

[Hibercelona]

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You forgot to deduct VAT and costs of disinfection.

And policing costs..... and damage repair costs.... and secterian fine costs.... and....

[calmac12000]

[QUOTE=EdinMike;3296976]Dungcaster is on Sportsound if you can stand listening to his/their tripe !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/1732



Its entirely predictable Donkey his usual bland of blandishments and vacuous statements.Mind you. Richard Gordon is hardly renowned for his hard hitting interviews. For instance the double contracts investigation was simply brushed off as "ongoing". In addition, he's hardly being grilled, about his involvement in the whole sags.
i confidently predict, that as seems to be usual with the Scottish sports media we're none the wiser from their efforts. Instead, their main role seems to be as un-official cheerleaders.

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http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ic=231690&st=0

Woo! I feel dirty.

Joking apart, there are two or three posters who seem rather keen on the idea of Mr Regan departing this life fairly promptly. Bit scary.

[VickMackie]

I was seriously just thinking let them in Div 3 with no punishment and get on with things, let them rebuild and then went onto RM for a quick laugh.

Div 3 is not a punishment, said the thread title, I thought that looks like a humble thread, maybe I'm right about Div 3 and not extinction. Then I read it.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=231701

So losing potentially £15 million pounds worth of players for nothing is not a punishment? Lost these players during transfer to newco and we are in 3rd division due to being a newco
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I'd say we've lost double that. McGregor and Naismith were worth £15m alone. Aluko, Davis and Ness would have gotten us a lot, Lafferty, McCabe etc.
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Maybe they should have sold them and paid their debt. ****ing ********s!

[YehButNoBut]

Rangers Tax-Case‏@rangerstaxcaseHow clever must the RFFF feel today? Paying for D&P's appeal of the SFA sanctions, and in turn making Sevco's launch much more difficult?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Haha. Just when CWG was getting worried that he might have to get back to his day job.

As discussed in over 600 pages, their problems are not going to go away.

....shudder.....

[Andy74]

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Rangers' league place at risk as Scottish FA insist signing ban must stand

http://sport.stv.tv/...ban-must-stand/

Will Admins let me use this smile on here?

One can only assume one Roderick Petrie is behind all this. He's made no statement yet denying it.

[Lungo--Drom]

Unlike Fat Sally's 'loyal' troops, it seems that at least their problems don't do walking away

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Haha. Just when CWG was getting worried that he might have to get back to his day job.

As discussed in over 600 pages, their problems are not going to go away.

[LeighLoyal]

Trouble with sanctioning Sevco in SFL 3 is it gives them an opportunity to claim they are the same club as oldco and muddies the waters on the history score. I'm not sure a transfer ban would stop them winning SFL3 anyway, they still have 11-12 dudes still on the books that would probably get a game in the SPL and they could still sign kids would be the cream of the 18 y/o's available, likely good enough to win SFL 3 anyway. I'm more concerned with dual contract sanction which should be see oldco trophies stripped.

[green is good]

So it might yet turn out that Regan was correct when he told the yorkshire pudding that there was no way sevco would be playing in div 3 next season

[down-the-slope]

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I'm a little perplexed when it comes to this to be honest.

How can a new company/club have sanctions imposed as punishment for the behaviour of a separate company?

They scarcely have a squad to compete this forthcoming season as it is (and will be relying mostly on youth players) and will struggle to attract anyone to the third division.

A court of law has already deemed the transfer embargo to be an unfair punishment, so if there is valid reason to impose these sanctions on the Newco, surely a year ban from the Scottish Cup would be sufficient and most suitable?

All we, as fans, asked for, was that they be treated like any other club. That has happened and now the SFA want to impose further punishment for the actions of a club which are no longer in the Scottish Football setup.

Or am I missing something horribly obvious?

What you are missing is they are trying to have Rangers FC (IA) SFA membership transfered...if they didn't they would be a 'new' application and would not have the 3 years accounts required......

They are between a rock and a hard place (with The only effective SFA chair / Vice chair (the others having made themselves scarce) being no other than Mr Hardball RP)

[Onion]

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What you are missing is they are trying to have Rangers FC (IA) SFA membership transfered...if they didn't they would be a 'new' application and would not have the 3 years accounts required......

They are between a rock and a hard place (with The only effective SFA chair / Vice chair (the others having made themselves scarce) being no other than Mr Hardball RP)

Arrogant Greene and Coisty clearly thought they had served their time when "relegated" to D3, when actual fact this is what should have happened as a matter of course. What the Huns have done by defrauding HMRC, other clubs, taking the SFA to court, covering up Whyte's past etc etc goes way beyond a club that has simply gone bust. That's why - if they want to keep the good bits and history of the old co - they need to pay the price that goes with it.

If the Huns get hammered by the SFA for these transgressions - or lose many of their titles, cups and even their history - some of the faith I had lost in the authorities will be restored. Get intae them

[Keith_M]

I know this goes against the general feeling on here but... I'd rather the SFA gave them another option, to publicly declare that they are, in fact, a brand new club , with all that entails.


They then have the choice:

• A clean slate with no history or trophies.
• A continuation of the old club, with the trophies they had minus the ones removed for cheating. Accept punishment for double contracts and any other rules that were broken by the old regime

Either of those options would be fine with me.

[ScottB]

I'm struggling to understand this.

Regan and co throughout seem to have been working to get Rangers the softest landing possible, keep them in the SPL, get them into SFL1, create an SPL2 for them to play in etc etc etc.

Now that all those plays have failed, the new strategy is to stop the newco, that has like 8 players at most, from signing any players?


Is the strategy them actively doing what they can to bring about the 'social unrest' and 'football armageddon' that was prophesied? It makes no sense.

I think forcing the newco to pay off football debts in exchange for getting the oldcos SFA licence is acceptable, as well as any stripping of titles from the oldco as per the findings of the dual contract investigation. But the signing ban doesn't make a lot of sense, better to have just kept them out for a year in the first place than this no?

[CallumLaidlaw]

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I know this goes against the general feeling on here but... I'd rather the SFA gave them another option, to publicly declare that they are, in fact, a brand new club , with all that entails.


They then have the choice:

• A clean slate with no history or trophies.
• A continuation of the old club, with the trophies they had minus the ones removed for cheating. Accept punishment for double contracts and any other rules that were broken by the old regime

Either of those options would be fine with me.

I think that's kind of where it is at. The problem they have is the sfa require 3 years of audited books which if they start as a new
Company with no history or sanctions, they won't have.

[AlbertK86]

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I'm struggling to understand this.

Regan and co throughout seem to have been working to get Rangers the softest landing possible, keep them in the SPL, get them into SFL1, create an SPL2 for them to play in etc etc etc.

Now that all those plays have failed, the new strategy is to stop the newco, that has like 8 players at most, from signing any players?


Is the strategy them actively doing what they can to bring about the 'social unrest' and 'football armageddon' that was prophesied? It makes no sense.

I think forcing the newco to pay off football debts in exchange for getting the oldcos SFA licence is acceptable, as well as any stripping of titles from the oldco as per the findings of the dual contract investigation. But the signing ban doesn't make a lot of sense, better to have just kept them out for a year in the first place than this no?

With all the calls for their jobs to be taken from them they are maybe looking to claw back some respect and support from the rest of Scottish football