Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[ronaldo7]

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Why no go through for a pint with your family, then stay in the pub during the game, giving your money to some honest tax paying public house owner, rather than stumping up cash to a club with a chairman that as good as advocates cheating and not paying tax, watch the scores on SSN in the pub then meet your family after and get the run down on another Hibs victory

Clear conscious

Killie are more than their Chairman. The fans were against the Newco and "HE" decided to rail against that. "60 miles to Kilmarnock to see Hibernian play".

His abstention was wrong and I'm sure that when the Killie fans get their club back, I'll raise a glass with them.

[StevieC]

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If the Newco are shoehorned into SFL1 with sanctions applied they might end up being so weakened that they don't win the league. Cue immediate league reconstruction with a 16 team SPL. It could have a silver lining after all.

But if they go to Div3 you can expect the same, so they have fewer divisions to climb.

[Captain Trips]

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'Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game'

Dear oh dear...that is one of the justifications..so in effect the bitter bigotry will be a big miss to the game in Scotland if its no in his opinion manufactured to continue...any wonder that this has gone on for so long with little effective punishment....

It is part of football he says well so are leagues and being promoted and relegated based on results. The man is a clown shoe.

[lapsedhibee]

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'Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game'

Dear oh dear...that is one of the justifications..so in effect the bitter bigotry will be a big miss to the game in Scotland if its no in his opinion manufactured to continue...any wonder that this has gone on for so long with little effective punishment....

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He should be punted on the basis of that statement alone, never mind the rest of it.

Giving a new twist to the phrase oft-repeated during the credit crunch:

Too bigoted to fail

[StevieC]

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If the newco are in Div1 when the dust settles then O.K. ...

If NewCo are in Div1 then they are there through bribery, threats and scaremongering .. there is absolutely nothing "O.K." about that!

[Saorsa]

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Regan and Doncaster have to go now, surely?

Also, I think it says a lot when Donald Findlay is so disgusted with the bribery and corruption that his statement gets the majority of fans on his side. I neve thought I'd see the day I agreed with anything he said.

Indeed, it seems they have made a massive miscalculation tae people's reaction tae threats and blackmail. Time for them tae for once dae the right thing (if they're even cabable of that) and tae clear their desks or time for it tae be done for them.

[Brightside]

As i have said before If it means the death of scottish football so be it. We cannot have a sport that is designed to only work around 2 clubs. Trash the whole thing and start again. Generations of bigots will have to find something else to do at the weekend. (Maybe they can go to church) Vive la Revolution

[Lucius Apuleius]

Okay, I have deliberated, pontificated, considered and done a lot of soul searching. Regan and Doncaster's positions are untenable. We must move to a one tier system asap. The SFA as the umbrella organization should have made the proper decision. They did not and I find that scandalous. Sometimes in life when you are in a position of power you are mandated to say or do something you do not agree with. I think Petrie is in that position between his two hats. Which one is his true feelings I know not. To cast history up of him being a tight ass is a hibs.net myth in my opinion. The most important thing in this to me is that Hibs have acted with decorum in this and made the proper decision with Petrie as the spokesman. Therefore, this afternoon a season ticket will be purchased but extremely underused unfortunately.

GGTTH

[CropleyWasGod]

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He should be punted on the basis of that statement alone, never mind the rest of it.

On that statement alone, I agree with him. Football is, to a great extent, about tribalism. That's the bit that Mercer misunderstood when he tried to take us over. Quote "this isn't football, it's tribalism"... that was the point at which I realised he just didn't get it.

[Saorsa]

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On that statement alone, I agreee with him. Football is, to a great extent, about tribalism. That's the bit that Mercer misunderstood when he tried to take us over. Quote "this isn't football, it's tribalism"... that was the point at which I realised he just didn't get it.

I actually quoted the wrong post and didnae change it. I meant the whole statement should be enough tae see him emptied, never mind his part in the rest of the dirty dealings.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I actually quoted the wrong post and didnae change it. I meant the whole statement should be enough tae see him emptied, never mind his part in the rest of the dirty dealings.

*******. To think I wasted a minute of my life on my post.

[alexedwards]

The question that always raises it's head in this fiasco - is who are Doncaster/Regan acting for?
And why are they running about like Abbott & Costello so desperately to have Rangers in SFL1 or SPL2 against the wishes of almost everyone?
There has to a massive motive - money is usually the culprit.
So what is the desperation?

Neil Doncaster presided over the signing of commercial contract's with a get-out clause for the partner's stipulating -
"If Rangers or Celtic leave the SPL the agreement is terminated."

What it should have said.........
"If Rangers or Celtic VOLUNTARILY leave the SPL the agreement is terminated."

This is the financial meltdown - caused by Doncaster's incompetence - he is to blame - it his fault for missing what is a standard item. Either of these clubs could leave the SPL if they were relegated and he didn't spot it. Now he's running about trying to save his own career and he has everyone in Scottish football up in arms. Crikey! Even 75% of Rangers fans accept they have to go to Div 3 and still we talk of forcing leagues; every fan spending time and emotion to block this; clubs wasting time; clubs being threatened; talk of social unrest, and all to save one man's career.
He blew it - he missed out one word - voluntarily. Boot him - we need a competent CE who won't bring financial meltdown upon us.
Regan has also bought into this and shown himself incompetent as a CE -boot him too.
All of this because of one man's inability to do his job is the only thing that make's sense in why a continual railroading is on the agenda.

[Saorsa]

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*******. To think I wasted a minute of my life on my post.

sorry

[s.a.m]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportNewco Rangers say their pre-season trip to Germany is off. The team was due to play three games in Germany between 18-25 July

[Saorsa]

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Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportNewco Rangers say their pre-season trip to Germany is off. The team was due to play three games in Germany between 18-25 July

what team?

[Kojock]

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Why no go through for a pint with your family, then stay in the pub during the game, giving your money to some honest tax paying public house owner, rather than stumping up cash to a club with a chairman that as good as advocates cheating and not paying tax, watch the scores on SSN in the pub then meet your family after and get the run down on another Hibs victory

Clear conscious

The Portman Hotel Kilmarnock best looking bar staff at any away pub. Worth the 60 mile trip alone.

[Gingertosser]

Sportsound last night

I may be mistaken but when Cosgrove was grilling Traynor about what the DR had actually exposed during 4 months, Traynor claimed they broke the Ticketus deal. When challenged by Cosgrove that the RTC had in fact beat them to it, did I hear right, when Traynor replied that Graham Speirs hadn't beaten him to it.

Had he just exposed Graham Speirs as the man behind the RTC ?

Anyone else hear this last night, or did I get it wrong ?

[JeMeSouviens]

Apols if already posted, Cowdenbeath statement:

http://www.cowdenbeathfc.com/index.p...ewNews&id=1075

Even Donald Findlay gets the integrity argument and won't vote for Div1. Struggling to see where any votes for the Hun are going to come from?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Sportsound last night

I may be mistaken but when Cosgrove was grilling Traynor about what the DR had actually exposed during 4 months, Traynor claimed they broke the Ticketus deal. When challenged by Cosgrove that the RTC had in fact beat them to it, did I hear right, when Traynor replied that Graham Speirs hadn't beaten him to it.

Had he just exposed Graham Speirs as the man behind the RTC ?

Anyone else hear this last night, or did I get it wrong ?

Just typical Fatty petulance. There's no way Traynor knows the identity of RTC or it would've been splashed all over the paper quicker than you can say, "irresponsible rabble rousing".

[DCI Gene Hunt]

Have been following this whole drawn-out saga with amusement, boredom and anger all in equal measure.

If there is anything that has sent me into a rage about this whole sorry mess, it has been the arrogance and out-and-out bias shown by Dungcaster and the other prat, and the arrogance of The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers. That statement by Regan in The Scotsman makes me furious, their bias isn't even hidden anymore, they are making it very clear that in their eyes Scottish Football is nothing without Rangers and the rest of us simply don't matter. The desperation of the arguements would be hilarious if the demented nutters making these statements weren't so serious about it. As for The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers, their arrogance is pathetic. "We Are Rangers". Yes we know you are. Big deal. get in line along with everyone else.

Total farce, scandal, absolutely clear to all that Scottish Football is corrupted to the core and RIGGED in favour of the OF.

I for one am not interested in RIGGED sport run by corrupt individuals.

This whole thing totally honks and if Dungcaster and Regan's heads do not roll after this I will eat my own Hibs shirt.

Gene

[Hainan Hibs]

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Apols if already posted, Cowdenbeath statement:

http://www.cowdenbeathfc.com/index.p...ewNews&id=1075

Even Donald Findlay gets the integrity argument and won't vote for Div1. Struggling to see where any votes for the Hun are going to come from?

You know the situation is dire when you agree with Findlay.

[PeeKay]

BBC reporting that SFA now showing their true colours (blue of course) in blocking the transfer of registration for ex-hun players.

[BEEJ]

On the small matter which now arises for the SPL as to finalising the identity of Club 12, why should this decision await the SFL vote next Thursday as indicated by Doncaster yesterday?

The SPL’s next priority is to identify who will replace Rangers as Club 12 in the new season which kicks off on 4 August. Three First Division clubs – Dunfermline, Dundee and Falkirk – currently meet SPL criteria.

“Our clubs have not made a decision on that yet,” added Doncaster. “We will do so in due course after the SFL have deliberated.

I don't see why they can't make this decision prior to next week's vote. Indeed it's essential that they do so if by delaying they effectively force three clubs rather than just one to abstain from next week's vote.

Is this a further subtle form of manipulating the process in RFC's favour?

[Sylar]

The interview was also being run as the main sport story in The Herald today.

Quite astonishing points of view from Regan - particularly the societal breakdown angle...

[alexedwards]

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On the small matter which now arises for the SPL as to finalising the identity of Club 12, why should this decision await the SFL vote next Thursday as indicated by Doncaster yesterday?



I don't see why they can't make this decision prior to next week's vote. Indeed it's essential that they do so if by delaying they effectively force three clubs rather than just one to abstain from next week's vote.

Is this a further subtle form of manipulating the process in RFC's favour?

Why would Falkirk be introduced to this? - it is manipulation.

[JimBHibees]

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'Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game'

Dear oh dear...that is one of the justifications..so in effect the bitter bigotry will be a big miss to the game in Scotland if its no in his opinion manufactured to continue...any wonder that this has gone on for so long with little effective punishment....

Yep the sort of perverted terrorist and political tribalism that is very much the make up of the Old Firm games are something that football and particularly society can well do without. An idiotic comment.

[JimBHibees]

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On that statement alone, I agree with him. Football is, to a great extent, about tribalism. That's the bit that Mercer misunderstood when he tried to take us over. Quote "this isn't football, it's tribalism"... that was the point at which I realised he just didn't get it.

Sporting tribalism fine, tribalism extolling the virtues of murderous terrorist organisations and 300 year old battles, not fine. I wonder if his social unrest comment is shared by the Ambulance and hospital staff that deal with the fallout of this tribalism as to be honest I bet they are delighted there isnt the 4 times a year carnage after an OF Game next year.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Sporting tribalism fine, tribalism extolling the virtues of murderous terrorist organisations and 300 year old battles, not fine. I wonder if his social unrest comment is shared by the Ambulance and hospital staff that deal with the fallout of this tribalism as to be honest I bet they are delighted there isnt the 4 times a year carnage after an OF Game next year.

Yeah, agreed. Probably wrong to concentrate on one bit of a wholly ludicrous statement.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

So dos this mean SPL and by implication have been sponsoring bigotry and tribalism since 1998?

Great strapline!

[Stevie Reid]

Sorry if already posted: -

http://www.scottishfootballblog.co.u...evolution.html

Rangers newco: Looking for a revolution




A drookit summer has seen Scottish football drowning in uncertainty and indecision.

We finally got a decision yesterday. The SPL chairmen voted against letting the Rangers newco into the top flight.

That was hardly surprising. Some of the chairmen - 10 said "no" - might have voted with a heavy heart and some might very well be daft.

But not daft enough to risk losing the core of their own support.

A predictable decision and not one that removed much uncertainty.

Too many clubs - the Rangers newco among them - don't yet know what league they will be playing in when the season kicks off in just a few weeks.

That the SPL saying "no" would force Rangers into the Third Division seemed the most plausible outcome until a few days ago.

Then the argument that the only way for Scottish football to survive was to parachute Rangers into the First Division was unleashed.

If the SFL clubs didn't agree then the SPL - whose role in all this should have ended yesterday when they said an emphatic "no" - would engineer a breakaway SPL2 to accommodate the newco.

Last night that theme was picked up by the SFA's Stewart Regan in a series of quotes that should - in a game governed by any sanity - disqualify him from holding office.

He has certainly destroyed any lingering hope that the SFA will adopt a neutral stance in any of this.

I don't really care that Regan diminishes himself with every utterance. I do care that he diminishes our game when he's doing it.

When a director of a First Division club stands on the steps of Hampden and denounces our game as "corrupt" then something is rotten to the core.

And for what?

Regan is giving up. Aided and abetted by the SPL's Neil Doncaster - who should really be run out of Hampden forthwith - he's surrendering.

He's seeking comfort in a broken business model. His vision of Scottish football is one where any real change is possible only if it suits the needs of television companies whose commitment to Scotland is half hearted at best.

He's saying that we can only thrive if we fix the game to allow a quick route back to the top flight for a club that has seen the most gargantuan mismanagement in Scottish football history.

A quick fix that most fans of that club seem to reject themselves.

He's saying that it's OK to bully lower league clubs if it provides solace for all the SPL clubs who have mismanaged their own finances.

And he's turning this cowardice on it's head and painting himself as some sort of hero.

He sees something heroic in saying that he's worked out a way to return as quickly as possible to a flawed status quo.

We deserve more. More than Regan and Doncaster, a couple of middle ranking marketing men who have fallen into the trap of believing their own lies.

More than footballing authorities who care not a jot for moving the game forward.

What could we learn from this long, bleak summer?

We know that fans care about the future, that they're prepared to speak up and show their passion.

Would the future of the Scottish game be better served by harnessing that passion or by allowing Regan to disenfranchise more and more supporters?

We've seen that the SPL experiment has failed. It's failed to create a sustainable model for its clubs, failed to create an environment that could predict or halt a huge corporate collapse in its midst.

The SPL was the game's attempt to hitch a lift to a promised land, to the riches of unfettered sporting capitalism. Scottish football didn't get there. It got run over and left behind.

Greed, chasing the quick buck, canoodling with corporate sponsors and ignoring the fans hasn't worked.

But the fans are still there. They still care.

Could we not take the positives from that and create a more sustainable game, a more sensible game?

A new football model for Scotland that has fans and communities at its heart? A game that we could again be proud of?

It won't be easy. Of course it won't.

But if Dundee United or Hibs, Hearts or Aberdeen, Kilmarnock or Elgin, Cowdenbeath or Stranraer are surviving only on the back of four Old Firm games a season and 30 pieces of Sky's silver then we need to make hard decisions.

We need to reinvent. We need to involve the fans in that reinvention.

And we need to do it quickly.

It will take vision though. It will take inspiration.

When we look for vision or inspiration at Hampden what do we find?

Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster.

Their vision condemns us to relive the mistakes of the past. Their vision won't halt the "slow, lingering death" of Scottish football it will only perpetuate it.

Don't believe them, stand up to them. Tell your club how you feel, shout it from the rooftops.

Every fan of every club should have had enough of being let down by non entities like this.

It's our game and they are our clubs.

Now is the time to prove it.