Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[alexedwards]

Just in case there's scaremongering over SPL2 (most likely to happen) there is a precedent shown in the link below that it would need to go to a 75% vote in favour of an SPL2 by SFL clubs............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot..._1/6573379.stm

Alternatively, SFL clubs could resign from the security of the SFL and join the dead duck that is the SPL. A risky strategy for any club and if a club did just that it would feel the wrath of it's own fans and others or succumb to major bribery .

[Seveno]

I think the strain has been too much for Regan. That interview looks like the ramblings of a man who has lost the possession of his faculties. Send for a doctor someone.

[Paisley Hibby]

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Aye fine ...... and what about the folk who have followed Killie for years and to a man were against anything but a no vote from their chairman and made that clear to him before the vote ......... what about them ?

If a few clubs go to the wall ? So sod them eh? Its no as if they are 'big' clubs like us is it ....... aye so a few thousand have followed them through thick and thin for years ..... what do they matter.

Fk me ..... & we call the huns arrogant.

Well said Bovril.

[QMU-1875]

Has it been confirmed that the tache has backed the proposal to have them in the 1st division? Will buy a season ticket based on this fact, no excuses I will support my club if they truly have scottish football's integrity at heart!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

So one of the very reasons we've seen Scottish football brought to it's knees - the tv deal tied to OF - is to then form the basis for moving forward?

What did football learn from the collapse of Ondigital and Setanta?

The authorities should have sought to widen the revenue streams and advise clubs on contingency plans. Same applies for the OF threats to leave for elsewhere.

Doesn't this whole charade make it even more likely that Rangers and Celtic redouble efforts to leave and were back where we are now re the tv deals?

See this as truly a new beginning right the wrongs of the old duopoly which I've argued long should have seen intervention from the powers that's be.

I'm not holding my breath tho'

[Col2]

Doncaster and now Regan have to go. Positions untenable based on blatent breach of fundamental sporting integrity and up standing of the game in Scotland.

In addition the current oh so suspect business model they say will fall down with Newco being outbid top division for 2 years or more - this is the operating model they oversee.

They had almost 4 months to consider robust options but have gone from one disaster to another. Doncaster has been found out by SPL clubs today who went 100% against him (even Green said today Newco were led to believe they still had a chance to get in - by SPL reps). He has to go.

Regan's quoted rant tonight is arguably the worst admission that the game is almost dead. In addition while Newco went to court of session he stood by and effectively let Newco breach a uefa no no when it comes to legal challenges.

We are no nearer a final solution. We dont know when or if double contracts charge will be followed through or if transfer embargo will be lifted or not. Maybe they both hope we will forget about it. Regan tonight has effectively said its Newco in D1 AND they must get promoted. He is almost feeling sorry for them and the weakened team they have. No transfer embargo I would suggest.

What next if Newco finish 3rd in D1? Do try change the rules next summer?

Get your coats lads......

[rcarter1]

I am at the stage where Im not sure which way is up, down or if I even exist.

However the spiel from Regan quoted below still makes as little sense as it did when they first started this doomsday scaremongering.

"The only solution for the game now is that Rangers come into the Scottish Football League and they come into it in the First Division. If Rangers were to go anywhere other than the First Division, then there would something in the region of £15.7 million worth of losses to the game. For the bigger clubs at the top of the league, that’s half their annual distributions. For clubs at the bottom it is basically wiping out their entire distributions, for some of the smaller clubs it’s a huge proportion of their annual turnover."

What on earth does he mean? Is this £15.7 million per club? NO. Is it total annual? I presume so. How much is SPL as opposed to SFL?
What does he mean by distributions, as it seems clear that he distinguishes that from turnover.

If its annual and its lost from the game and its based largely on lost television revenue, then surely most of these losses are incurred by Celtic? Does anyone know what share the Old Firm got from the TV payments in relation to other SPL clubs?

Regardless, clubs may need to sell players to adjust, but in the end Scottish football will find its financial level.

Having said all that.... Never before have the SFL and the Diddy SPl teams had the Old Firm over such a large barrel. Ive always been on ensuring Rangers were held accountable for their deeds more than where exactly they play. IF sanctions on them are appropriate to their crimes, and we were all able in essence able to dictate to the Old Firm how things were going to be then it might be worth all the other clubs having them in Div 1.

[ehf]

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I think the strain has been too much for Regan. That interview looks like the ramblings of a man who has lost the possession of his faculties. Send for a doctor someone.

He's way out of his depth. It's common knowledge that there has been a toxic morrass at Ibrox for decades, and we've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far. The SPL and SFL chairmen know this, which is why they are voting against the Huns despite the financial meltdown it will cause. It is impossible that Regan doesn't know it as well. This is the last act of a desperate man, a sports administrator who realises he will never work again.

[Sir David Gray]

That interview is surely a wind up and not the actual comments of the person in charge of the governing body in this country!?

If that article is genuine then Stewart Regan really must be forced out ASAP as that is actually beyond belief.

[Bobby's Cinema]

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Aye fine ...... and what about the folk who have followed Killie for years and to a man were against anything but a no vote from their chairman and made that clear to him before the vote ......... what about them ?

If a few clubs go to the wall ? So sod them eh? Its no as if they are 'big' clubs like us is it ....... aye so a few thousand have followed them through thick and thin for years ..... what do they matter.

Fk me ..... & we call the huns arrogant.

Agree, but Johnston has made this problem for them. As a club, they will now pay for it however substantial. Speaking for myself, I know that I won't be back at Rugby Park anytime soon rightly or wrongly

[jamesjamieson]

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Not to the best of my knowledge...may not be much but can't see how you can force a member into an organisation against the wishes of the majority of it's members - although anything is possible in Scottish football.
Have to say I am aghast at Regan's behaviour - there are many who thought he was a good appointment but now none of us can trust
anything he says; Doncaster's in a league of his own for pure fantasy; Topping needs tipped as SPL CM; CO has a lot to answer for and can't be trusted. Should be a no-brainer to bin this lot - we need to clear the decks.

[jamesjamieson]

What about Malcolm Murray? After the most insincere apology in the history of Scottish football yesterday, apparently he came into today's meeting thinking that all the SPL clubs would bend over for him - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...lm-Murray.html.

The conceit and arrogance of certain members of the Rangers hierarchy is breathtaking. Not all, but certainly some.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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I hope you get rid of him soon. Killie is a good club with a proud history. We will be coming down the road for the games this season

I certainly won't be going '60 miles to Kilmarnock to see Hibernian play'

Both Kilmarnock's owner and their manager at a very crucial time in the debate made it very clear that they thought a 10 point deduction and a never to be paid £170,000 fine were 'fitting punishments' for 15 years of financial doping,supreme arrogance and the inciting of the mob by McCoist and Jardine.

Instead I plan to phone up either Clyde or Raith Rovers and buy a £15 ticket for one of their SFL games and ask the girl at the other end to pass it on free of charge to a deserving Raith Rovers or Clyde fan.

Raith Rovers and Clyde are the sort of teams run by the sort of men I very much admire and respect and Kilmarnock certainly are not getting any of my money.

PS Regan is an out of his depth looney.

[joe breezy]

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If that was the case, he would have voted yes.

I believe every club would have been made to vote before viewing the votes of others in order to prevent a "change of heart".

He may have argued for sanctions then when that wasn't happening voted no

If so what the hell is he doing?

[Twa Cairpets]

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That interview is surely a wind up and not the actual comments of the person in charge of the governing body in this country!?

If that article is genuine then Stewart Regan really must be forced out ASAP as that is actually beyond belief.

I've always defended Regan as Ive always found him sensible and constructive, but if that article is true it is staggering. Short term pain - definitely, but re-admittance would have meant certain destruction of the game, and sfl1 may if it means fans turning their back on the game.

[joe breezy]

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I certainly won't be going '60 miles to Kilmarnock to see Hibernian play'

Both Kilmarnock's owner and their manager at a very crucial time in the debate made it very clear that they thought a 10 point deduction and a never to be paid £170,000 fine were 'fitting punishments' for 15years of financial doping,supreme arrogance and the inciting of the mob by Mccoist and Jardine.

Instead I plan to phone up either Clyde and Raith Rovers and buy a £15 ticket for one of their SFL games and ask the girl at the other end to pass it on free of charge to a deserving Raith Rovers fan.

Raith Rovers and Clyde are the sort of teams run by the sort of men I very much admire and respect and Kilmarnock certainly are not getting any of my money.

Will you support a boycott of Hibs if Petrie was fighting for the Huns with sanctions and was part of Doncaster's document?

[ehf]

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What about Malcolm Murray? After the most insincere apology in the history of Scottish football yesterday, apparently he came into today's meeting thinking that all the SPL clubs would bend over for him - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...lm-Murray.html.

The conceit and arrogance of certain members of the Rangers hierarchy is breathtaking. Not all, but certainly some.

Murray is nothing more than a paid flunkey for a couple of very dodgy arbitrageurs who are exploiting the situation in cahoots with Duff + Phelps and Craig Whyte (as is Green). An apology from him is worth diddly squat.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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Will you support a boycott of Hibs if Petrie was fighting for the Huns with sanctions and was part of Doncaster's document?

Petrie is the chairman of the SFA professional committee so of course he was part of the Doncaster document and he would have been leading the charge to get 'the huns' into SFL 1.This has been widely reported and I don't have a problem with that as he is wearing his SFA hat as that is where he sees his future career.

Hibs as a club voted no and were consistently no, Kilmarnock on the other hand were yes and then abstention which for me is far to much.

What about you?

Don't you think £15 to brave clubs such as Clyde or Raith Rovers or Dunfermline is a far better use of your money that £20 to Kilmarnock?

[Saorsa]

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Petrie is the chairman of the SFA professional committee so of course he was part of the Doncaster document and he would have been leading the charge to get 'the huns' into SFL 1.This has been widely reported and I don't have a problem with that as he is wearing his SFA hat as that is where he sees his future career.

Hibs as a club voted no and were consistently no, Kilmarnock on the other hand were yes and then abstention which for me is far to much.

What about you?

Don't you think £15 to brave clubs such as Clyde or Raith Rovers or Dunfermline is a far better use of your money that £20 to Kilmarnock?

That document should never have been sent out by anybody in any position and anybody involved with it should go. If he was then regardless of how Hibs voted, he'd be nae better than doncaster or regan. Anybody involved with that document containing threats, bribes and blackmail would have a brass neck banging on about integrity.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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That document should never have been sent out by anybody in any position and anybody involved with it should go. If he was then regardless of how Hibs voted, he's nae better than doncaster or regan and has a brass neck banging on about integrity.

What do you mean IF???

Mr Petrie is the chairman of the SFA professional game board and Vice president on the SFA main board which is responsible for all high level football governance and strategy issues.That is why he was briefing Charles Green last week??

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish....cfm?page=2560

I don't have a problem with this as it's his SFA role and not his Hibs role though fair enough if you do as of course I can see your sporting integrity argument.

[gramskiwood]

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I think that Dan is becoming desperate in trying to pin something on Rod.

We know Petrie's keeness for "financial prudence" I don't think DD's far off the mark.

[jgl07]

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What about Malcolm Murray? After the most insincere apology in the history of Scottish football yesterday, apparently he came into today's meeting thinking that all the SPL clubs would bend over for him - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...lm-Murray.html.

The conceit and arrogance of certain members of the Rangers hierarchy is breathtaking. Not all, but certainly some.

More insincere than this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

[joe breezy]

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Petrie is the chairman of the SFA professional committee so of course he was part of the Doncaster document and he would have been leading the charge to get 'the huns' into SFL 1.This has been widely reported and I don't have a problem with that as he is wearing his SFA hat as that is where he sees his future career.

Hibs as a club voted no and were consistently no, Kilmarnock on the other hand were yes and then abstention which for me is far to much.

What about you?

Don't you think £15 to brave clubs such as Clyde or Raith Rovers or Dunfermline is a far better use of your money that £20 to Kilmarnock?

I agree with your principled stance, just the thought of Petrie being involved in that scandalous document and arguing to keep the Huns in the SPL makes me sick as a Hibs fan

[Pete]

I still can't believe that Regan interview. Surely there are now grounds for Fifa or Uefa to act as this isn't sport any more, its a manufactured and manipulated product with glass ceilings for some and get out of jail cards for others. If clubs die because another one is suddenly three tiers down then so be it. The ones who have run a tight ship will replace them and the bust clubs can just do the whole newco thing.

This talk of social unrest has to be the end of him and the final straw. This isn't light pressure any more its full on intimidation and I'd be surprised if the law didn't become involved in some way.

This is truly embarrassing given this mans position. We were a laughing stock before due to our reliance on the old firm but its now the people running our game who are lifting their skirts to them.

...And **** the national team.

[Cabbage East]

Regan and Doncaster have to go now, surely?

Also, I think it says a lot when Donald Findlay is so disgusted with the bribery and corruption that his statement gets the majority of fans on his side. I neve thought I'd see the day I agreed with anything he said.

[gramskiwood]

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I agree with your principled stance, just the thought of Petrie being involved in that scandalous document and arguing to keep the Huns in the SPL makes me sick as a Hibs fan

That's why we need to hear from the club that RP was not working on their behalf but as an official of the sfa. If true then he should resign. I'm very suspicious of his role in all this.
(Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[1875godsgift]

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Regan and Doncaster have to go now, surely?

Also, I think it says a lot when Donald Findlay is so disgusted with the bribery and corruption that his statement gets the majority of fans on his side. I neve thought I'd see the day I agreed with anything he said.

Can anybody with a bit of time on their side compile a list of e-mail addresses to be published on here?

I'm thinking of SFL clubs who have voted no to the newco in division 1, and who I would like to offer my support.

Also on the list would be SPL clubs who valued sporting integrity above greed and avarice, they should also be congratulated on their moral stance.

I would also like the contact details of Doncaster and Reagan to be included in the list of people we need to lobby, as their nepotism in this matter reeks of corruption.
I realise Reagan and Doncaster are at the top of there respective trees, but surely there is a complaints procedure which should enable fans to show complete distrust in the decision making of these two muppets.

[woodythehibee]

Where is Regan's latest interview?

[Barney McGrew]

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Where is Regan's latest interview?

In the Scotsman

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2392610

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I still can't believe that Regan interview. Surely there are now grounds for Fifa or Uefa to act as this isn't sport any more, its a manufactured and manipulated product with glass ceilings for some and get out of jail cards for others. If clubs die because another one is suddenly three tiers down then so be it. The ones who have run a tight ship will replace them and the bust clubs can just do the whole newco thing.

This talk of social unrest has to be the end of him and the final straw. This isn't light pressure any more its full on intimidation and I'd be surprised if the law didn't become involved in some way.

This is truly embarrassing given this mans position. We were a laughing stock before due to our reliance on the old firm but its now the people running our game who are lifting their skirts to them.

...And **** the national team.

But surely there would be social unrest if "rangers" were without a league to play in?
Is this why. Were likely to see the govt dip their oar in?