Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Spike Mandela]

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Not that it matters but will we ever know who voted No - did the ticks vote no -or do they need to boycott tick park??

Unless Super Ally demands to know.

[gramskiwood]

According to Jockybhoy on RTC SSN say Green voted NO and vote was unanamous.

[StevieC]

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It's nothing to do with Hibs now though

Yes it has. After that disgrace at yesterday's SFL meeting every SPL club, that doesn't speak up, is as guilty as Doncaster. He is the representative of the SPL and as such is answerable to every SPL club. If the clubs allow the threats and blackmailing that went on yesterday to pass without comment then you can only assume that they are 100% backing everything that Doncaster threatened!

[Saorsa]

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Yes it has. After that disgrace at yesterday's SFL meeting every SPL club, that doesn't speak up, is as guilty as Doncaster. He is the representative of the SPL and as such is answerable to every SPL club. If the clubs allow the threats and blackmailing that went on yesterday to pass without comment then you can only assume that they are 100% backing everything that Doncaster threatened!

[PatHead]

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Not that it matters but will we ever know who voted No - did the ticks vote no -or do they need to boycott tick park??

It does matter. We need to know who carried out their fans wishes and had integrity. We need to know who our friends and enemies are. Finally, if it was Celtic who backed Rangers they will be more financially disadvantaged than everyone else put together. Their fans will boycott their own team. Add the loss of revenue through sponsorship deals which were combined and we might actually have a more level SPL.

Whatever happens Doncaster must resign.

[gramskiwood]

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Yes it has. After that disgrace at yesterday's SFL meeting every SPL club, that doesn't speak up, is as guilty as Doncaster. He is the representative of the SPL and as such is answerable to every SPL club. If the clubs allow the threats and blackmailing that went on yesterday to pass without comment then you can only assume that they are 100% backing everything that Doncaster threatened!

Spot on.

[Saorsa]

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It does matter. We need to know who carried out their fans wishes and had integrity. We need to know who our friends and enemies are. Finally, if it was Celtic who backed Rangers they will be more financially disadvantaged than everyone else put together. Their fans will boycott their own team. Add the loss of revenue through sponsorship deals which were combined and we might actually have a more level SPL.

Whatever happens Doncaster must resign.

that word should never be used again by anybody involved in this farce.

[Andy74]

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It will still have something to do with Hibs if they are involved in the bribing/bullying of SFL clubs.

After what we have said and done do you really believe we would have anyhting to do with it? We are one of the clubs that doesn't need Rangers in any way and we have been very clear on the sporting integrity piece.

Hibs more than anyone have suffered by living within our means and been ridiculed for it.

I'm, not really getting why we would be involved in caring one way or another about them being in SFL 3 or SFL 1.

[Onion]

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If these corrupt ****s get away with this then EVERY single fan that is opposed to this should impliment a blanket boycott of all things SFA, going to the national team games, buying merchandise, etc etc... withdraw support to the SFA and our governing bodies at every level possible!!!

No point in boycotting Hibs games as our club have been against this from the off, it's the folk in power, SFA, SPL etc that need to feel the wrath!!

I was with you right up to that last point. The problem is... if football as game is corrupt and fair play and rules no longer apply, then there is simply no point in watching or supporting Hibs. Every ref decision, every player signing, every ball kicked in anger, every goal scored, every result is simply a sham. We all decide as individuals what to do with our hard earned cash, but handing it over to a bent club and league and paying the wages of people like Doncaster is not high on my list. There are hundreds of better things I can think of to do with £400 a year !

[Spike Mandela]

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According to Jockybhoy on RTC SSN say Green voted NO and vote was unanamous.

Skyscot say it was 10 against, 1 for (Green), 1 abstension.

Skyscot is James Matthews.

[Andy74]

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Skyscot say it was 10 against, 1 for (Green), 1 abstension.

Skyscot is James Matthews.

With the joint sponsorships and the Old Firm itself being a money spinner I'd have my money on Celtic abstaining.

[GreenCastle]

No well done from me for the vote - it was common sense that has prevailed and if they had delayed it then it would have been madness.

Supposedly it was 10 no's - so one team either didn't vote or said yes - I think it could be Celtic

What happens next is even more crucial - SFL vote and what happens to this Newco. Add to that - the changes to the SPL voting system and all the legal battles Rangers find themselves in.

[SneakersO'Toole]

1439:
The 30 SFL clubs are due to meet on 12 July to discuss a Scottish FA proposal that would result in a Rangers newco playing in the First Division next season. Tuesday's meeting at Hampden adjourned with no decisions made, although a vote is expected next time.

Partick Thistle Thistle are the 10th SFL club to voice opposition to a newco in Division One, following announcements from Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Morton, Livingston, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Peterhead and Clyde.
1436:
BREAKING NEWS
SFL chief executive David Longmuir has told BBC Scotland that a decision will have to be taken over who replaces Rangers in the SPL. "The SPL will have to create an invite for a replacement," he said.

The SFL board will meet tomorrow ahead of full meeting of clubs next week to decide if the Rangers Newco will be allowed into the Scottish League set up.

[s.a.m]

Val McDermid‏@valmcdermidIf Rangers (or Celtic) had been relegated in normal run of things, would that have been 'the end of Scottish football as we know it'?
Val McDermid‏@valmcdermid
Or is it that Rangers & Celtic have a divine right to remain in the SPL?

Scottish crime literati (literatus?) getting in on the act.....

[Caversham Green]

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Skyscot say it was 10 against, 1 for (Green), 1 abstension.

Skyscot is James Matthews.

Hmmm. Green shouldn't have a vote as he is not the holder of a share. Duff & Phelps should have been representing that share and ethically ( I know) they should have abstained, because the vote is outside their remit and competence - they have no further part to play in Scottish football. Could they be the abstention and Celtc/Killie the yes vote?

[Hibercelona]

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1439:
The 30 SFL clubs are due to meet on 12 July to discuss a Scottish FA proposal that would result in a Rangers newco playing in the First Division next season. Tuesday's meeting at Hampden adjourned with no decisions made, although a vote is expected next time.

Partick Thistle Thistle are the 10th SFL club to voice opposition to a newco in Division One, following announcements from Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Morton, Livingston, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Peterhead and Clyde.
1436:
BREAKING NEWS
SFL chief executive David Longmuir has told BBC Scotland that a decision will have to be taken over who replaces Rangers in the SPL. "The SPL will have to create an invite for a replacement," he said.

The SFL board will meet tomorrow ahead of full meeting of clubs next week to decide if the Rangers Newco will be allowed into the Scottish League set up.

It should be Dunfermline that keep their place in the SPL. If Rangers had gone bust during the season, Dunfermline wouldn't have been relegated in the first place. It's common sense.

[Steve20]

I hope it's Dundee that come up, but I expect that Dunfermline will keep their place.

[JeMeSouviens]

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After what we have said and done do you really believe we would have anyhting to do with it? We are one of the clubs that doesn't need Rangers in any way and we have been very clear on the sporting integrity piece.

Hibs more than anyone have suffered by living within our means and been ridiculed for it.

I'm, not really getting why we would be involved in caring one way or another about them being in SFL 3 or SFL 1.

Out of respect for the SFL we should say:

It's up to you to decide on any application from New Huns but Hibs will not support either the withholding of the annual settlement fee rightly due to the SFL or any attempt to form an SPL2 unless that is democratically agreed by both the SPL and SFL.

[poolman]

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Hmmm. Green shouldn't have a vote as he is not the holder of a share. Duff & Phelps should have been representing that share and ethically ( I know) they should have abstained, because the vote is outside their remit and competence - they have no further part to play in Scottish football. Could they be the abstention and Celtc/Killie the yes vote?

It will defo come out who was the yes vote and who abstained

[Sergio sledge]

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Skyscot say it was 10 against, 1 for (Green), 1 abstension.

Skyscot is James Matthews.

Why did Green vote? Was it not the oldco that had the vote, so it should have been Duff and Duffer....

[JeMeSouviens]

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Why did Green vote? Was it not the oldco that had the vote, so it should have been Duff and Duffer....

Seemingly D&D could give a proxy vote to Green.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Hmmm. Green shouldn't have a vote as he is not the holder of a share. Duff & Phelps should have been representing that share and ethically ( I know) they should have abstained, because the vote is outside their remit and competence - they have no further part to play in Scottish football. Could they be the abstention and Celtc/Killie the yes vote?

I am guessing that it's just assumption that Green was there on behalf of Rangers. Like you, I say that it should have been D&P. However, perhaps they allowed him to attend as their nominee.... so he could keep an eye on things.

[Aldo]

No to Newco in SPL... At the mo 10 SFL clubs have said they would vote no but will the rest.

The thought of filling your ground against them might get a few yes votes but what happens when the majority vote No and Doncaster says the will move to Div 1 or 3 regardless of vote.

Will the NO voting clubs boycott the fixture???

I hope they all vote No that way there is no way back. As for the abstainers I have a funny feeling it might be either Smellic or Killie. As for teams that rely that much on telly revenue.... More fool you??

Doncaster for me can GTF. Not got a clue

[Caversham Green]

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It should be Dunfermline that keep their place in the SPL. If Rangers had gone bust during the season, Dunfermline wouldn't have been relegated in the first place. It's common sense.

On a strict reading of the rules Dunfermline are not eligible to play in the SPL having finished in last place last season, so Dundee look like favourites to me.

[CropleyWasGod]

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No to Newco in SPL... At the mo 10 SFL clubs have said they would vote no but will the rest.

The thought of filling your ground against them might get a few yes votes but what happens when the majority vote No and Doncaster says the will move to Div 1 or 3 regardless of vote.

Will the NO voting clubs boycott the fixture???

I hope they all vote No that way there is no way back. As for the abstainers I have a funny feeling it might be either Smellic or Killie. As for teams that rely that much on telly revenue.... More fool you??

Doncaster for me can GTF. Not got a clue

Given that Doncaster is the Chief Exec. of the SPL, he doesn't have the power to order this.

[SJNB Hibby]

We keep hearing about a majority in the SFL of 16-14, but surely with Dundee/PARS moving up, and Rangers(Surely to God) not having a vote, it only needs to be 15-14. 10 already said no so only 5 more?

[JeMeSouviens]

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No to Newco in SPL... At the mo 10 SFL clubs have said they would vote no but will the rest.

The thought of filling your ground against them might get a few yes votes but what happens when the majority vote No and Doncaster says the will move to Div 1 or 3 regardless of vote.

Will the NO voting clubs boycott the fixture???

I hope they all vote No that way there is no way back. As for the abstainers I have a funny feeling it might be either Smellic or Killie. As for teams that rely that much on telly revenue.... More fool you??

Doncaster for me can GTF. Not got a clue

If they go to Div3 the likelihood is all 3 divisions will get visits from the charming New Huns. Div1 and the lower 2 divisions miss out.

[Caversham Green]

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Seemingly D&D could give a proxy vote to Green.

A proxy has to vote the way he is instructed by his principle and D&P should have instructed him to abstain

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I am guessing that it's just assumption that Green was there on behalf of Rangers. Like you, I say that it should have been D&P. However, perhaps they allowed him to attend as their nominee.... so he could keep an eye on things.

A nominee can make his own decision about which way to vote but he must act in the best interests of the nominator - again, it should be an abstention.

It's all a bit academic anyway, but interesting to those of a pedantic bent.

[Aldo]

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Given that Doncaster is the Chief Exec. of the SPL, he doesn't have the power to order this.

I realise that matey but it's the Scottish fitba hierarchy and they seem to do what they want at the mo.

I am sure there will be more twists and turns before its resolved. Let's bring the SFL meeting forward, get them to vote and that will be that..

[CropleyWasGod]

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We keep hearing about a majority in the SFL of 16-14, but surely with Dundee/PARS moving up, and Rangers(Surely to God) not having a vote, it only needs to be 15-14. 10 already said no so only 5 more?

It's always been about the 29 for me.