Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Onion]

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I suspect we may be about to find out as when the SFL clubs say no I fully expect a volte face from spl and a warm welcome offered to sevco fc

Which equals commercial suicide, mass demonstrations, claims of lying, corruption and gross incompetence by the SFA, SPL and all those SPL clubs who vote to allow this Newco into the SPL - and in particular those that publicly stated they would not do so (incl Hibs). Going to be an interesting few days. I might well end up a Stranraer supporter at the end of it.

[s.a.m]

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Div 3 is the place for the new hun. They can't be sanctioned for Rangers FC's crimes because they are not Rangers FC, they are a new club with no history that happens to play at the same stadium. There is a structure in place that allows them to apply for SFL membership in Div 3. Any attempt to leverage them into SFL 1 would spell the end of Scottish football as a league based on sport. RFC ran up £140m of debts and liquidated (died!) to avoid payment and the newco (new club) should not benefit from that disgraceful event.

And this is what Chairmen with votes to cast must remember.


[Edit -for-the-benefit-of-the-pedantically-minded :
Yes, I KNOW they're no liquidated yet, but that is the route they've chosen.]

[mglancy23]

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Can the Daily Record not over-rule the SFA though?

[Dirkster23]

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Sfa will not allow rfc newco into spl says Stewart Regan

Stage 1 tick.

Does that include the proposed SPL 2 though

[blackpoolhibs]

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Exactly. Doncaster should be emptied for that mistake alone.

The thing is though, the £17m is the SPL's loss. The SFL chairmen will have a wry smile and thinking "nae luck".

It appears its the new deal he's managed to secure? Even worse in my opinion, the new deal is only viable if the old firm are in the league, in fact the top 6. He needs booted in the bollox, and sacked as fast as humanly possible.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Does that include the proposed SPL 2 though

No idea yet.

[Stevie Reid]

Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence
Up to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing

[Caversham Green]

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Sfa will not allow rfc newco into spl says Stewart Regan

Stage 1 tick.

Fair enough, but why is he only saying that now? Think of the trouble he could have saved by saying it at the outset.

[The Sea-gull]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687492

Anyone else sickened by the timing of this apology?

Certainly gives credence to Jim Traynor's article as a public apology is one of the areas the "rebel", "panicking" SPL chairman have allegedley given Rangers to address before they make a "dramtic U-turn" and vote the Newco back in.

I will be livid if the Huns get in Div 1 never mind the SPL.

I honestly think feelings are running so high among fans that if Rangers are in the SPL next season crowds will be laughably low and the atmosphere with regards SPL football from non-media types and non Rangers fans will range from apathetic to poisonous rage.

I have a feeling this will not end tomorrow and the meeting will be adjourned with no decision taken.

[alexedwards]

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Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence
Up to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing

Bollox.

[Moulin Yarns]

I wish to state, publicly if the Newco Rangers do not end up in SFL division 3 (or lower) my support will transfer to my local team.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielcrowe/History.html

The player profiles are worth a read

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielc...rentSquad.html

Jimmy Murray is 'local hero'

[blackpoolhibs]

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Fair enough, but why is he only saying that now? Think of the trouble he could have saved by saying it at the outset.

Fan and club chairmen pressure maybe?

[IWasThere2016]

One thing I want to know is do Club 12 have a website? Surely this is THE major criteria for SPL status ..

[SneakersO'Toole]

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Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence
Up to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing

But yet at least 7 SPL clubs have pubically came out and stated their intention to vote no to the newco?!?! Where are all the facts that back up these claims that have been made? Everything is guesswork.

Its more scaremongering drivel from the suits that run our game.

[IWasThere2016]

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But yet at least 7 SPL clubs have pubically came out and stated their intention to vote no to the newco?!?! Where are all the facts that back up these claims that have been made? Everything is guesswork.

Its more scaremongering drivel from the suits that run our game.

stains the lot of them!

[ScottB]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687492

Anyone else sickened by the timing of this apology?

Certainly gives credence to Jim Traynor's article as a public apology is one of the areas the "rebel", "panicking" SPL chairman have allegedley given Rangers to address before they make a "dramtic U-turn" and vote the Newco back in.

I will be livid if the Huns get in Div 1 never mind the SPL.

I honestly think feelings are running so high among fans that if Rangers are in the SPL next season crowds will be laughably low and the atmosphere with regards SPL football from non-media types and non Rangers fans will range from apathetic to poisonous rage.

I have a feeling this will not end tomorrow and the meeting will be adjourned with no decision taken.

Who cares about an apology from a guy at what is, a new club.

Where's Whyte, where's Murray, where's Greg, Smith and all the other 'Rangers Men' who actually did the deeds?

[Thecat23]

All this rubbish up to 6 teams could fold etc without the Newco is unreal. Hand on heart here, i'd rather my team stood up to the bullies of football even if it did mean the death of Hibs rather than playing in a corrupt league and being bullied for the rest of our days. This whole thing is already brought me to the brink blanking this farcical league. Anyone who is involved in trying to bring Newco into the Div 1. Should be booted. I'd love everyone to resign and start a new system altogether and bring in football men. Raith Chairman hit the nail on the head by saying they are a bunch of bullies. If they think they can get away with it then the teams should walk and leave the whole thing up in the air. To many holes in the SPL/SFA trying to just make cash off the ugly sisters.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Neil Doncaster tells sfl that Sky, Espn and sport 5 deals at threat as contracts require RFC in spl in 2013/14 value 17.35 mill

Imagine signing up for that deal in the first place?

For all that will be made of this "contract" it was not a contract as such since Sky had never signed it iirc
The SPL could have draw up a proposal to buy Edinburgh castle for £1 but it's meaningless with siggies

[Gus Fring]

What worries me most (and apologies if this has already been mentioned) Is that if the TV deal does hinge on Rangers being in the SPL in 2013/14 than that means they MUST win the 1st Division. It cannot be taken as a given that this will happen based on how "good" Rangers used to be! They still have a transfer embargo in place (that should stay in place!). What will happen is that they will essentially be allowed to run roughshod over the other SFL1 teams to "earn" promotion and anything that could harm them achieving that (red cards, bans, appeals, signings etc) will go in their favour so as not to upset Sky!

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't think there's any way that Sky or any other commercial partner can write into a contract who plays in the SPL. I don't believe they ever have and I don't believe they ever will.

What could happen is Sky can say, "hmmm, doesn't look like any Huns in the SPL in the next year or 2, we're not too keen on signing off that deal we verbally agreed, let's knock £5M or so off, shall we?"

It is ludicrous to suggest that the SPL would lose the entire tv deal, but even if Sky decided to walk away it's ludicrous to suggest we couldn't find another broadcaster or even resurrect the old SPL tv idea. There is no way the entire £16M could possibly be at risk unless the SPL decided not to sell its tv rights at all.

Doncaster has badly misjudged the public mood at every step, now he is badly misjudging the mood at SFL clubs. Hopefully, he is finding out just how badly right about now.

[SurferRosa]

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What worries me most (and apologies if this has already been mentioned) Is that if the TV deal does hinge on Rangers being in the SPL in 2013/14 than that means they MUST win the 1st Division. It cannot be taken as a given that this will happen based on how "good" Rangers used to be! They still have a transfer embargo in place (that should stay in place!). What will happen is that they will essentially be allowed to run roughshod over the other SFL1 teams to "earn" promotion and anything that could harm them achieving that (red cards, bans, appeals, signings etc) will go in their favour so as not to upset Sky!

A good point. It would be very interesting to see how many refereeing decisions would go in their favour...

[calmac12000]

Woe to you oh Scottish football fan, for you have turned your back on the lord your god that is Rangers football club. You have been deaf to the cries of the Pharisees in the SFA/SFL when they begged you to turn away from the road to perdition and eternal damnation that must surely follow the exclusion of Rangers from the SPL. You have gainsaid the scribes of the Scottish media, who have striven earnestly to set before you the great lamentations that will surely arise in the land as a result of "Hungeddon". You are deaf to the prophecies of great weeping and gnashing of teeth, that were foretold by the ancient prophets such as Gordon Smith who wondered the land for countless days after his expulsion from the Garden of Edam. You must remember that these sins will lie on you and your children's children at least until Rangers are undisputed kings of Scottish football.
It is not too late, realise your sin, support the newco and abandon any pretence at honour, dignity and fairness.
Before its too late gonnae save the Rangers!

[s.a.m]

James Matthews‏@SkyScotSky sources: SPL Chief exec Neil Doncaster's plan for #rangers 1st division re-entry "badly received" by SFL chairmen at meeting

[Monts]

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james matthews‏@skyscotsky sources: Spl chief exec neil doncaster's plan for #rangers 1st division re-entry "badly received" by sfl chairmen at meeting

[blackpoolhibs]

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James Matthews‏@SkyScotSky sources: SPL Chief exec Neil Doncaster's plan for #rangers 1st division re-entry "badly received" by SFL chairmen at meeting

I never saw that coming, I wonder what donkeys next move is, he must be running out of scams soon?

[JimBHibees]

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A good point. It would be very interesting to see how many more refereeing decisions would go in their favour...

Fixed that for you.

[GreenCastle]

They should make these meetings available on pay per view to show some transparency - I am sure they would make a load of money through that.

Seems Scottish Football is becoming more corrupt than FIFA with voting etc!

The way I see things going -

Newco 100% not in SPL - we knew that a while ago - still think Celtic's silence is a disgrace.

Newco 100% won't be in Div 1 - correct decision

Newco will go into Division 3 - but avoid transfer ban - have they not just signed two players over the last few days anyway

The question is - how will the media adapt with Newco out of the SPL - will they get any mentions on the news / radio / Sportscene (t.v) etc - like they currently do - hopefully will change all the Rangers and Celtic chat we are used to and other clubs will take the spotlight more.

[JimBHibees]

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I never saw that coming, I wonder what donkeys next move is, he must be running out of scams soon?

Can someone outline why there is no vote at this SFL meeting? Given the season is a month away how many more delays before everyone is clear what is happening to Rangers and the other teams involved in any divisional moves.

[John_the_angus_hibby]

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hope this news isnt to soften us up before the blow that they'l allow them in the first. i just dont trust those running the game one bit

This. Until they kick of the first game in the 3rd or not at all I won't believe it!

[jgl07]

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Can someone outline why there is no vote at this SFL meeting? Given the season is a month away how many more delays before everyone is clear what is happening to Rangers and the other teams involved in any divisional moves.

Presumably because there was no application as the SPL vote has yet to take place this Thursday.

It is clear that the SFL do not want to know about Doncaster's harebrained scheme.