Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[green glory]

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What does this actually mean then?

If 8 clubs vote against them do they need to start in the 3rd division at best?

It only means they can apply to start in the 3rd division. As Sevco5088 isn't actually a football club, doesn't have 3 years audited accounts etc etc, even that isn't a foregone conclusion.

I'd put money on the Hunosaurus being extinct pretty soon.

[JimBHibees]

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He's also been wrong so many times during this, and changed his tune back and forth along with dick dung.

I wish someone had kept a diary of both their statements through this, it would be very funny reading all their twists and turns, and all the lie's both have spouted.

Their total disregard of Rangers crimes compared to punishment has been completely ignored by 99% of these hacks, and the reason being in my opinion is, they cant be seen to attack those people who they earn a very good living from?

They are bent reporters at BBC sportsound and the daily papers, most are in the pockets of the old firm. Its been a totally biased view from both organisations from the beginning, Its no wonder they dont recognise sporting integrity, when these people have none themselves.

Couldnt agree more especially the bit in bold. This whole episode has shown up exactly how Scottish football works and it is a murky and sinister picture which needs to be sorted pronto though I wouldnt hold my breathe. While there probably isnt a lot that can be done with the tabloid press for the BBC sports department through Sportsound to have allowed days upon days of Pravda like Rangers propoganda from such as Traynor, Dodds, Young has been an absolute disgrace.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I very much doubt the clubs would do this as mine and many other peoples boycotts would still apply if this happened. I would expect the SPL to say fine, go into SFL1 but you are banned from the SPL for a minimum of three years

[jonty]

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What does this actually mean then?

If 8 clubs vote against them do they need to start in the 3rd division at best?

As I understand it, they're voting against getting into the SFL at all, without 3yrs audited accounts (as it states in the rules)?
A vote is needed to allow a company without these accounts to apply and be granted membership to the SFL.

[CropleyWasGod]

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As I understand it, they're voting against getting into the SFL at all, without 3yrs audited accounts (as it states in the rules)?
A vote is needed to allow a company without these accounts to apply and be granted membership to the SFL.

WITH those accounts.

Without them, they don't fulfil the criteria.

[jonty]

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WITH those accounts.

Without them, they don't fulfil the criteria.

I've picked it up wrongly then. I thought they had to have a vote to allow them to apply as they didnt fulfill the criteria.





I thought normal application was '****, ****, ****, good-guy, **** **** ****'

[green glory]

JT has a history, particularly in the Daily Hun of making bold predictions and providing us with 'exclusives' which are demonstrated as complete codswallop fairly quickly.

I remember his triumphalist tone when Bill Miller appeared on the scene. I'm amazed he still has an outlet for his views in the media at all.

[spike220]

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[lapsedhibee]

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JT has a history, particularly in the Daily Hun of making bold predictions and providing us with 'exclusives' which are demonstrated as complete codswallop fairly quickly.

I remember his triumphalist tone when Bill Miller appeared on the scene. I'm amazed he still has an outlet for his views in the media at all.

Shirley he can't really believe all that pish he says and writes, though? He's just being paid to entertain an audience, of knuckledraggers, n'est ce pas?

[blackpoolhibs]

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JT has a history, particularly in the Daily Hun of making bold predictions and providing us with 'exclusives' which are demonstrated as complete codswallop fairly quickly.

I remember his triumphalist tone when Bill Miller appeared on the scene. I'm amazed he still has an outlet for his views in the media at all.

I cant remember who broke the story, but apparently Craig White is a billionaire?

I'm surprised thats turned out to be wrong, i'd have thought the reporters would have checked a few facts before misleading the fans on that one?

[KeithTheHibby]

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WITH those accounts.

Without them, they don't fulfil the criteria.

Do you think there is anything in this alleged deal regarding allowing the newco into the 1st division?


I can understand why the likes of Falkirk, Raith etc. don't want them in the first division however surely for the likes of some of the terrible 3rd division teams they would be happy to see the newco playing them twice a season?

[MyJo]

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WITH those accounts.

Without them, they don't fulfil the criteria.

Without the accounts an exception must be given to allow the application ( this could be a source of a legal challenge from Spartans etc who would also want the place in the sfl) the vote requires 75% of all sfl clubs to agree to the application. If the application is to enter rangers in the first division then 8 clubs saying no would stop it from happening and the application would then be to join the 3rd division with the same majority required for acceptance. As it stand there are 6 sfl clubs who have confirmed thier opposition to 1st division entry so just 2 more out of the other 23 and its not going to happen regardless of what the sfa, spl or sfl wants

[IWasThere2016]

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Have the folk who are lambasting Traynor actually read his article? I suggest you do before spouting off.

He's basically saying that a deal has been cut to let Newco into Div 1 and as such the claims of Sporting Integrity from the SPL club chairmen is spurious and hypocritical. He thinks the fans are about to get hoodwinked.

He goes on to argue that Rangers should start again in Division 3.

If he's right that a deal has been struck, as the Herald also seems to think, I agree with him.

Yes - which is a contradiction to his earlier pieces - he is making it up as he goes along..

[BarneyK]

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on the contrary, I would say thats very promising...

[green glory]

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I cant remember who broke the story, but apparently Craig White is a billionaire?

I'm surprised thats turned out to be wrong, i'd have thought the reporters would have checked a few facts before misleading the fans on that one?

Yup he was guilty of that one too. A billionaire with 'off the radar wealth'.

Either he's a cynical media manipulator who's favoured outlet, the Daily William is profiteering by printing lies to sell papers to Buckie-swilling twits desperate for something positive to cling on to. OR he's got Creamola Foam for brains.

[johnbc70]

How funny would it be if they never even got the votes to join Div3. They are not even a football club so if there is a space then Spartans and Linlithgow Rose etc. should get the space as they meet the criteria.

[bawheid]

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Couldnt agree more especially the bit in bold. This whole episode has shown up exactly how Scottish football works and it is a murky and sinister picture which needs to be sorted pronto though I wouldnt hold my breathe. While there probably isnt a lot that can be done with the tabloid press for the BBC sports department through Sportsound to have allowed days upon days of Pravda like Rangers propoganda from such as Traynor, Dodds, Young has been an absolute disgrace.

Yep, 100%.

Once Part 1 of this saga is over and Rangers have been dealt with, Part 2 needs to be addressed. That is the blatant propaganda, corruption and jobs-for-the-boys culture which infests our national media, particularly BBC Scotland.

[MB62]

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Nick Griffin's offering support to his brethren:

"Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep Murder of Rangers is shocking indictment of capitalist football & sectarian agenda . . ."

It is the sectarianism of the oldco support that the whole of Scottish football is sick of, and if people are voting to rid Scottish football of oldco and newco on that basis, then they have sown their own seeds for many years and now it is coming home to haunt them.

Some of the comments from supporters of oldco on the fans chat sites etc is exactly why we need rid of this vile institution. Scottish football will be a far better place without them.

[ScottB]

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Nick Griffin's offering support to his brethren:

"Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep Murder of Rangers is shocking indictment of capitalist football & sectarian agenda . . ."

Fantastic.

Shows the page the more daft Rangers fans are on if this is the sort of 'person' that agrees with their views.

[CraigHibee]

Jim Traynor blowing hot air as per...

i get the impression with him that he thinks his opionion counts and his ONLY.

the boy is a fanny of the highest order

[givescotlandfreedom]

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Nick Griffin's offering support to his brethren:

"Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep Murder of Rangers is shocking indictment of capitalist football & sectarian agenda . . ."

It's vermin like him backing them that make this so much fun!

[magpie1892]

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Fantastic.

Shows the page the more daft Rangers fans are on if this is the sort of 'person' that agrees with their views.

Griffin sticking up for you. Priceless.

[bawheid]

Seriously, this story gets better every day.

Nick Griffin coming out in support of The Rainjurs?? Magnificent, truly magnificent, and will only strengthen the resolve to finish them for good.

No to Newco in the SFL.

[Lungo--Drom]

Oh dear. Imagine that they failed to get voted into SFL1 or SFL3

Anyone handy with a musical instrument? I'm thinking of penning a ditty called "Bye bye Rangers, bye bye"

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Without the accounts an exception must be given to allow the application ( this could be a source of a legal challenge from Spartans etc who would also want the place in the sfl) the vote requires 75% of all sfl clubs to agree to the application. If the application is to enter rangers in the first division then 8 clubs saying no would stop it from happening and the application would then be to join the 3rd division with the same majority required for acceptance. As it stand there are 6 sfl clubs who have confirmed thier opposition to 1st division entry so just 2 more out of the other 23 and its not going to happen regardless of what the sfa, spl or sfl wants

[givescotlandfreedom]

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Without the accounts an exception must be given to allow the application ( this could be a source of a legal challenge from Spartans etc who would also want the place in the sfl) the vote requires 75% of all sfl clubs to agree to the application. If the application is to enter rangers in the first division then 8 clubs saying no would stop it from happening and the application would then be to join the 3rd division with the same majority required for acceptance. As it stand there are 6 sfl clubs who have confirmed thier opposition to 1st division entry so just 2 more out of the other 23 and its not going to happen regardless of what the sfa, spl or sfl wants

So clubs from outwith the 1st division can deny newco access to it?

[Twa Cairpets]

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Nick Griffin's offering support to his brethren:

"Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep Murder of Rangers is shocking indictment of capitalist football & sectarian agenda . . ."

It doesnt even make sense. "Murder of Rangers an indictment of capitlaist football". Murray, of course, being well known for his philanthropy and staunch socialist values, committing to wealth dispersal within wider society and never at any juncture overspending in a wantonly capitlaist speculative manner. No. thats not happened. and to accuse these gentle wee liberal minded, secular souls that go to Ibrox of anything remotely bigoted or sectarian would jusst be plain stupid...

Away and shove it up your Ronson you blubberingly corpulent nazi fudknocker

[silverhibee]

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I can feel your fury, which was quite amusing in parts

Traynor, as we all know, is a stooge. He wouldnt know integrity if it sneaked in his cat flap and shat in his slippers. Avoid the daily record and read something less partial instead.

the sun.

[Steve-O]

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Tony McKelvie ‏@TonyMcKelvieSo Morton have joined Raith, Peterhead, Falkirk, Partick and Livi in saying No to Sevco. 6 down, 2 to go. Not looking promising...

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Nick Griffin's offering support to his brethren:

"Nick Griffin MEP ‏@nickgriffinmep Murder of Rangers is shocking indictment of capitalist football & sectarian agenda . . ."

[Steve-O]

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So clubs from outwith the 1st division can deny newco access to it?

Yes.

[hibs0666]

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"The SFA is attempting to broker a deal between the SPL and SFL which could allow Rangers entry to the first division, therefore minimising the amount of financial damage caused on top-flight clubs by Rangers' absence.

The perception they will gain promotion in their first season could persuade Sky to preserve its deal. In return the SFL would seek the return of a promotion play-offs, a more equitable distribution of income, and a potential merger of league bodies. It is believed enough clubs will be supportive of the proposed deal and will vote in favour of it."

How wide of the mark is he?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...newco.17985342

Very wide of the mark. People like Traynor still live in the land of power brokers and succulent lamb, and have no comprehension of how this process works.

1. the SFA can only broker a proposal between the different authorities, in no way are they king-maker in this situation
2. any SPL proposal requires ratification by the SPL clubs, and would probably require a 11-1 majority due to there being a material change to the SPL financial arrangements
3. likewise any SFL proposal can only be ratified its members once it had been formulated and circulated.

Whilst the guys in the comfy seats might have had some informal discussion no proposals from either the SPL or the SFL exist, never mind any votes or discussions scheduled.

I can only conclude that Traynor has been overdosing on X-Files re-runs to come up with that stuff.