Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Why does there need to be a compromise?????

I mean a compromise as far as I am concerned. I dont really care if the new rangers end up in the 3rd division or the highland league or the Glasgow pub league.

But I as a Scottish football fan could live with it if they ended up in division 1 with hopefully a hefty points deduction. My main concern is to see the changes we have all wanted for years now take place.

Nobody ( least of all me ) is under any illusion that the things being talked about now by the SFA / SPL would have just been a pipe dream, to me thats what counts now .. just so long a rangers do get punished.

[Geo_1875]

Surely the SPL can't tell the SFL where RFC should play next season. They can only eject them from the SPL.

[Jim44]

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How come these same clubs manage perfectly well when it's a cup game ?

It just means every away game has to be all-ticket.

[jgl07]

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It just means every away game has to be all-ticket.

Even Queens Park?

[...WentToMowAnSPL]

I've thought from the start that rangers in the third would allow them to apologise to every club in Scottish football on the way up and bring money to each club in turn.... However I have in my desk a sealed brown envelope containing an attractive proposal from Forres mechanics ....:-)

[FranckSuzy]

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[Cabbage East]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

Utter slavers.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Rangers will have people in right places to ensure they aren't hammered too much.

Folks like Jim McInally doing a grand job of trying to save the Huns from proper punishment in the tabloid press. What is it these ex-footballler's can't see that we can all see? FFS!

[jgl07]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me:

An SPL Chairman would have no say in the matter. The SPL have missed the chance to relegate Rangers.

Now they can only expell them from the SPL. It is then a matter for the SFL and the SFA to sort out.

We all know that most SPL Chairmen would have loved to keep Rangers but the issue has been forced by the supporters.

I suspect that there is going to be a similar reaction in Division One. Partick Thistle have already threatened a boycott if Rangers are admitted. Falkirk have come out against. We already know John Yorkston's views.

In any event Division One club have no financial interest in getting Rangers back to the SPL in one year. The top teams will see Rangers as blocking the path to promotion for themselves. The bottom teams will see their prospects of avoiding relegation diminish since Aidrie United will not be promoted.

The Second and Third Division teams will probably want a share of the action so would hardly vote to let Rangers by-pass their Divisions.

A two-thirds (or three-quarters) majority will be required.

Not a hope that this will happen. More wishful thinking from the forces of darkness.

[Spike Mandela]

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Surely the SPL can't tell the SFL where RFC should play next season. They can only eject them from the SPL.

If the SFA, the SPL and the SFL have held a meeting for over 6 hours yesterday you can bet your bottom dollar that some backroom deals have been getting done, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

All the authorities need to do now is bribe enough clubs in to accepting it.

[Spike Mandela]

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Rangers will have people in right places to ensure they aren't hammered too much.

Folks like Jim McInally doing a grand job of trying to save the Huns from proper punishment in the tabloid press. What is it these ex-footballler's can't see that we can all see? FFS!

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[Hibernia&Alba]

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An SPL Chairman would have no say in the matter. The SPL have missed the chance to relegate Rangers.

Now they can only expell them from the SPL. It is then a matter for the SFL and the SFA to sort out.

We all know that most SPL Chairmen would have loved to keep Rangers but the issue has been forced by the supporters.

I suspect that there is going to be a similar reaction in Division One. Partick Thistle have already threatened a boycott if Rangers are admitted. Falkirk have come out against. We already know John Yorkston's views.

In any event Division One club have no financial interest in getting Rangers back to the SPL in one year. The top teams will see Rangers as blocking the path to promotion for themselves. The bottom teams will see their prospects of avoiding relegation diminish since Aidrie United will not be promoted.

The Second and Third Division teams will probably want a share of the action so would hardly vote to let Rangers by-pass their Divisions.

A two-thirds (or three-quarters) majority will be required.

Not a hope that this will happen. More wishful thinking from the forces of darkness.

Correct. Sensible reasoning. Their squirming for any kind of sanction that doesn't result in SFL 3 is pathetic. They will try every excuse and tactic in the book.......oh, but if it were any other club their tune would be different.

[blackpoolhibs]

What happens if Rangers have a terrible season in division 1, and finished bottom of the league? Would there be another restructuring of that league to keep them up?

[Jim44]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

A ballpark figure for hun away supporters at an SPL match is, say, 4 to 5 thousand. The average ground capacity of SFL Div 3 grounds is around 3 to 4 thousand (some are bigger). These clubs will rarely get more than 1000 turning up. That means that an allocation of around 2.5 thousand tickets to the huns(around half they would get for an SPL game) could be made. Given that the number of huns travelling to these grounds will decrease, this seems a reasonable allocation to me. It is far from perfect but viable. That is off the top of my head and, I'm sure, could be challenged but I don't think it's way off the mark. Twice a year they would have to get their act together for policing and stewarding but it's hardly rocket science.

[GreenCastle]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.

The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

[The Harp Awakes]

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If the SFA, the SPL and the SFL have held a meeting for over 6 hours yesterday you can bet your bottom dollar that some backroom deals have been getting done, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".

All the authorities need to do now is bribe enough clubs in to accepting it.

The SFL are the stumbling block as other posters have suggested but if the SFA, SPL and Sky TV want Rangers in Div 1 then it may well happen. A redistribution of TV cash amongst all SFL clubs may be the bargaining chip.

[jgl07]

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What happens if Rangers have a terrible season in division 1, and finished bottom of the league? Would there be another restructuring of that league to keep them up?

Well if the transfer embargo is upheld and mot of their stars walk, it is not impossible.

[Liberal Hibby]

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Even Queens Park?

They said every away game...

[The Harp Awakes]

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If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

Rightly or wrongly, the SFA/SPL view may be that if Rangers are out of the SPL for 3 years Scottish football is sunk which is maybe why they are so desperate to get them into Div 1.

[GreenCastle]

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Rightly or wrongly, the SFA/SPL view may be that if Rangers are out of the SPL for 3 years Scottish football is sunk which is maybe why they are so desperate to get them into Div 1.

Well this is the problem - like many of the media myths being published daily. The chances are the SPL will grow with closer and more fair competition.

Why will it sink ? Money ? This is the other problem with the game in Scotland - so reliant on the money. Live within the your means and you won't get another Rangers situation. The game here is controlled too much by the money people and if they want to re-grow the product they should think more about the fans and make it value for money to attend games and not expect people to pay EPL prices for a far inferior product.

Remember it's the backlash the SFA / SPL should be worried about as the majority of local Scottish clubs are on the edge right now - one bad move next and it's curtains - a fair punishment to Rangers and at least the football authorities have acted correctly and we can move on restructuring the leagues to make them competitive and fair both on and off the pitch (if we get any money from sponsors).

[Halifaxhibby]

Nearly a million posts on this thread now, as far as i'm concerned i only care about the hibs, rangers cheated their way to many titles and now they've been caught out, anyone in the sfa or ex players who can't get a real job and talk drivel in our dreadfully biased press for a few sheckles are just as much to blame for the downfall of scottish football. A nation of jokers!! embarrassing as it may be we all know it. This is a great opportunity to redress the balance between business and football, how dare the powers at be threaten clubs outside the OF with scaremongering regarding tv deals, television has nearly killed our game!!!!. I buy a season ticket every year yet give up a lot of it due to re-scheduling because we roll over for telly rights.
Our once great game is not only a laughing stock but solely reliant on **** dictating tv schedules.

GOODBYE RFC YOUR TIIME IS OVER
BRING BACK 3PM SATURDAY KICK OFF
BRING THROUGH THE YOUTH
WE ARE ALREADY A LAUGHING STOCK SO FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES HAVE TO BE MADE THROUGHOUT SCOTLAND.
FOOTBALL IS MASSIVE IN SCOTLAND, AS A SPORT FIRST, THEN A BUSINESS.


F MONEY
F PUNDITS
F MEDIA
OH, AND FTHMFC

A NATION OF JUST OVER 5 MILLION WE HAVE MORE EXPERTS ON THE GAME THAN SOME COUNTRIES 10 TIMES OUR SIZE!!!!

ALAN HANSEN GTF!

GOOD LUCK PAT, I'LL BE THERE!!!

:pfgwa

[Hibbyradge]

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Nearly a million posts on this thread now,

I'm glad you're not my accountant!

[Halifaxhibby]

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i'm glad you're not my accountant!

eh? Over 900,000 posts?

[degenerated]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

If they feel that division 3 can't cope with them they should be taking cognisance of that fact when they are inviting applications for the vacant spot. That should mean that they vote someone in that the infrastructure can cope with, not just invent some rule to benefit the Huns and ensure they can keep their own snouts in the trough into the bargain.
This proposed fudge will have the same detrimental effect on the perception of integrity, or lack of, in Scottish football and probably ensure that many punters, myself included, are lost to the game.

[jgl07]

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eh? Over 900,000 posts?

This is post number 13,292

[fat freddy]

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eh? Over 900,000 posts?

900,000 views....13,000 replies...still pretty good...the entire thread should be published once its all over.

[Halifaxhibby]

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This is post number 13,292

sorry my mistake,but you get my drift!!

wish i had the time to pick over every post(is that right?) effing shattered, working 12 hours and 2 kids to put to bed.

thank you mr pedant.

[Hibbyradge]

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eh? Over 900,000 posts?

Only 13500 according to my PC.

[Jones28]

If Rangers end up in the 3rd Division I can't see any of their first team staying. So they will have to start over from the beggining with young players from the lower age groups - that's if they can't get away as well though. If thats the case I can't see them getting promoted 3 seasons in a row. So they would have a good 4-5 seasons in lower leagues, plus all these tranfers embargos and bans from Europe too.

Would that be punishment enough?

OBVIOUSLY I want them to die and never come back

Just wanting to gauge how much punishment my fellow .netters feel is enough.

[TamHibs]

Looks like it'll be 1st Division if anything for them!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23899716/