Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[SteveHFC]

ahead of the big vote everyone except rangers has a meeting

doncaster is there up to his usual tricks




he looks for support in the teams who havent announced yet
he asks ICT



he asks motherwell



he asks hearts to reconsider

[Lang Toun Hibs]

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Can't be that difficult to pick a new name.

Darlington Town/City? (Simples)
Darlington Phoenix? (Rising from the ashes)
Darlington Tuesday? (a-la Sheff Wed.)
Darlington Club 12? ...........etc

Darlington County (Bruce Springsteen)?!

[s.a.m]

Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportSFA, SPL and SFL confirm talks have taken place re. league reconstruction. Consultation with all clubs 2 now take place

[HFC 0-7]

If the spl, sfa etc re structure to allow angers into anything but the bottom league it just proves that the authorities are corrupt. They wouldn't re write rules, re structure leagues if this was any other club. Rangers should be kicked out and made to apply to the sfl. The sfl should then follow all their rules and weigh up the application against all others. Allowing rangers to go into division 1 / spl2 is only slightly better than them being voted into the spl, but still very wrong!

[Hibernia&Alba]

The predictable self-pity of the Huns is beneath contempt. How dare they suggest in the media and on fans forums they are being victimised because they're the 'pyoor deid brilliant Gers an rat'.

Have they forgotten Livingston's fate or that of Dundee? Those clubs weren't liquidated yet were hammered. What the Rangers fans mean is that they should be above the law and that any attempt to sanction them for their plight is merely vindictiveness driven by envy. Erm, no, it's because the arrogance they displayed for the rules in the past amounted to gross criminality and cheating, and clearly their arrogance remains.

[Brando7]

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/2823858

Aberdeen fan votes 82.7% n oto newco

[McD]

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It was in one of the morning rags,maybe 3 or 4 days before the statement about Sky not walking away from the SPL,the guy said something like" While we would consider a one Div.demotion as maybe agreeable,it is doubtful if we would agree to an absence of 3yrs" I would be very surprised if Sky and Spl had not held exploratory talks regarding the situation.

Sounds very much like the daily record story which sky have rubbished completely, not to mention why would they give such a groundbreaking story to a rival.

I have no doubts sky are keeping a close eye on things, but active involvement? I'd be very surprised at that. A company that turned a profit of circa 1 billion pounds last year, very successfully run, just signed a deal to pay multiple billions to the EPL, won't be bending over backwards for a deal which is worth 80 million outlay, and hasn't even been signed yet.

[Jim44]

I thought Alex Thomson had been a bit quiet recently, but lo and behold he's back with THIS Whether the neandertals listen is another question.

[snooky]

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Jane Lewis‏@JaneLewisSportSFA, SPL and SFL confirm talks have taken place re. league reconstruction. Consultation with all clubs 2 now take place

(I trust that wasn't a typo)

[NAE NOOKIE]

I have always looked on this situation as a Golden chance for the non OF clubs to restore some financial parity to the Scottish game. Its also a chance to get rid of the rediculous notions that ...... A ) We need the OF to survive and ..... B ) We cant have a bigger league.

This is what we should be aiming for:

A 14 or 16 club SPL with play offs ....... 3 Up 3 down.

A fair voting system which negates forever the notion that ANY club ( or two clubs ) can dictate to the rest.

An even distribution of TV money ... the TV deals are not negotiated by the OF the are negotaited by the SPL for the SPL.

If we get that I wont give a rats ass where the newco end up ... As long as its not the SPL. A change to a bigger league will also give Falkirk etc a fair crack at promotion even with a newco in the 1st division.

The great Italian match fixing scandal in the middle of the last decade ended with the following sanctions:

JUVENTUS ..... Relegated to the second division, deducted 30 points for the following season and stripped of 2 titles.

FOIRENTINA ... Relegated to the second division and deducted 12 points for the following season.

LAZIO ..... Relegated to the second division and deducted 7 points for the following season.

A.C. MILAN .. Deducted 44 points for the current season and 15 for the following season.

The Juventus punishment would be the one to hand out to newco rangers, if relegation to div 3 isnt on the table. I for one would be more than happy with that.

But reading some of the posts on here, it appears we have now moved from 'we must punish rangers' to 'we must get rid of rangers, in any form' with some folk saying ( or at least it appears that way ) that they wont be back to Scottish football if they are allowed to survive.

Hell .... nobody hates the current buns more than me ... but extinction, to the extent that even a newco cant be allowed to exist, so that I can hate them all over again ..... sorry, not for me.

[Easter Road X1]

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Kevin Kyle on sportsound just now, he's a fanny.

I like a fanny

[HFC 0-7]

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I have always looked on this situation as a Golden chance for the non OF clubs to restore some financial parity to the Scottish game. Its also a chance to get rid of the rediculous notions that ...... A ) We need the OF to survive and ..... B ) We cant have a bigger league.

This is what we should be aiming for:

A 14 or 16 club SPL with play offs ....... 3 Up 3 down.

A fair voting system which negates forever the notion that ANY club ( or two clubs ) can dictate to the rest.

An even distribution of TV money ... the TV deals are not negotiated by the OF the are negotaited by the SPL for the SPL.

If we get that I wont give a rats ass where the newco end up ... As long as its not the SPL. A change to a bigger league will also give Falkirk etc a fair crack at promotion even with a newco in the 1st division.

The great Italian match fixing scandal in the middle of the last decade ended with the following sanctions:

JUVENTUS ..... Relegated to the second division, deducted 30 points for the following season and stripped of 2 titles.

FOIRENTINA ... Relegated to the second division and deducted 12 points for the following season.

LAZIO ..... Relegated to the second division and deducted 7 points for the following season.

A.C. MILAN .. Deducted 44 points for the current season and 15 for the following season.

The Juventus punishment would be the one to hand out to newco rangers, if relegation to div 3 isnt on the table. I for one would be more than happy with that.

But reading some of the posts on here, it appears we have now moved from 'we must punish rangers' to 'we must get rid of rangers, in any form' with some folk saying ( or at least it appears that way ) that they wont be back to Scottish football if they are allowed to survive.

Hell .... nobody hates the current buns more than me ... but extinction, to the extent that even a newco cant be allowed to exist, so that I can hate them all over again ..... sorry, not for me.

Its not all about wanting them extinct, it's about the authorities following their own rules and not changing them to suit one club. Would this happen if it were hibs? I don't think so. The situation as it stands is a mess, and there is still more to come. Right now it seems the authorities are looking at ways to get round their own rules, to lessen the punishment, and in the end there could be more revelations about how rangers have cheated their way to success.

[carnoustiehibee]

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Add a "No To Newco" to your Twitter or Facebook profile here - http://twibbon.com/cause/Scotland-sa...o-Newco-2/Join

I added this to Facebook and a hun asked "why?" Haha

Do I really have to answer that!

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Its not all about wanting them extinct, it's about the authorities following their own rules and not changing them to suit one club. Would this happen if it were hibs? I don't think so. The situation as it stands is a mess, and there is still more to come. Right now it seems the authorities are looking at ways to get round their own rules, to lessen the punishment, and in the end there could be more revelations about how rangers have cheated their way to success.

I agree with you to an extent. But it looks now like a lot of clubs are prepared to do what for them was unthinkable a few weeks ago and for many of them it will be a big sacrifice. As I said .. I could care less where the newco start next season .. if its the 3rd division then great.

If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

But for some folk even the 3rd division doesnt appear to be good enough and they are talking about chucking it. IMO thats going too far.

[joe breezy]

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http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/2823858

Aberdeen fan votes 82.7% n oto newco

17.3% hun infiltrators

[VickMackie]

Where's the info about Aluko?

Rangers should be in the 3rd division. They shouldn't get put into the first or have reconstruction to let them slither in.

If leagues are increased etc it should be clubs being moved up. Not slotted in.

[StevieC]

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If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

Why does there need to be a compromise?????

[jgl07]

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Why does there need to be a compromise?????

I don't know? There is a compromise between banning them for one year and banning them 'sine die'!

[northgreen24]

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Why does there need to be a compromise?????

I totally agree any reform for the better of scottish football will be able to happen now the biggoted brother cant veto everything but many are now saying that if we ge tthe changes then it will be ok for "the rangers" to start in div1.

1. no the bloody shouldnt as no one else would be allowed
2 you cant have a little sporting integrity you either follow the current rules or you dont

[GreenCastle]

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I agree with you to an extent. But it looks now like a lot of clubs are prepared to do what for them was unthinkable a few weeks ago and for many of them it will be a big sacrifice. As I said .. I could care less where the newco start next season .. if its the 3rd division then great.

If its the 1st division, but we get the other changes we want, then thats a compromise I for one can live with.

But for some folk even the 3rd division doesnt appear to be good enough and they are talking about chucking it. IMO thats going too far.

Compromise ? Explain ?

It's 3rd Division minimum - no compromise there for the cheats.

The league restructuring is a side topic that just happens to be talked about at the same time all this mess with newco is unfolding and damaging the game in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

I dont mind compromise as long as its a new company applying to join the SFL, and any new company/team has to apply to join at the bottom.

Just follow the ****in rules you useless bunch of pricks.

[ekhibee]

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Would anyone take Aluko at Easter Road?

yes, I would have taken him before he was at Rangers, and the same now, he seems a lot more consistent than he was at Aberdeen now too. But wages will probably rule out any move for us to get him.

[frazeHFC]

I hate how the huns are saying they need to stay because Scottish football needs the money, saying its all about the money. It shouldn't be, if Scottish football was just about teams getting money, then what would be the point. It's about the traditional game of FOOTBALL!

Doing my head in, dunno why i am letting it get to me. Please just let them die!

[Aldo]

3rd Div fur Newco at the very least. They would still have go be accepted/voted in. If they were to be put in DIV 1 the Livi/Dundee will take legal action against the SFL re the situation.

Get them tae ****. Hate the bigoted ****ers

[The Harp Awakes]

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Compromise ? Explain ?

It's 3rd Division minimum - no compromise there for the cheats.
The league restructuring is a side topic that just happens to be talked about at the same time all this mess with newco is unfolding and damaging the game in Scotland.

I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

[blackpoolhibs]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

Which we all know is complete nonsense, they are drawn against these clubs most seasons in the cup.

[Jim44]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

But how do they manage to place them there within established rules and procedures?

[Mon Dieu4]

Surely since the rule book states this can't be done then all it would take is someone like Falkirk to take it to court ala Rangers transfer ban and it all goes belly up

[GordonHFC]

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I agree with you. However, I was told tonight by an SPL Chairman that Division 1 is the most likely penalty for Rangers along with a transfer embargo. A key factor for placement in Division 1 is that 3rd Division clubs do not have the infrastructure to cope with the volume of Rangers fans likely to attend games and would create stewarding and policing issues. Seems a lame excuse to me

How come these same clubs manage perfectly well when it's a cup game ?

[The Harp Awakes]

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Which we all know is complete nonsense, they are drawn against these clubs most seasons in the cup.

Totally agree.

I think the campaign for supporters of the other 11 SPL clubs should now shift from 'No to Rangers in the SPL' to 'Rangers to the 3rd Division'.