Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[greenginger]

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Not really sure that it matters as rangers have sold the stadium and brand. They can no longer fulfill membership criteria and can no longer field a team for next year.

It could matter if the rules were properly enforced. The dead Rangers should lose their SPL share before they have a chance to transfer it to the New Club.

[hibbyfrankie]

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It could matter if the rules were properly enforced. The dead Rangers should lose their SPL share before they have a chance to transfer it to the New Club.

If the rules were properly enforced then it is already clear Rangers don't meet the rest of the criteria accounts or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

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If the rules were properly enforced then it is already clear Rangers don't meet the rest of the criteria accounts or not.

Unfortunately, there is precedent, in that Hearts have also been granted their license, without meeting the criteria.

[hibbyfrankie]

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Unfortunately, there is precedent, in that Hearts have also been granted their license, without meeting the criteria.

Bloody Yams

[franck sauzee]

My mate works at The Hilton at Edinburgh Airport and said that Rangers had booked out a meeting room, Charles Green and Andrew Ellis turned up shortly followed by our Rod . Seriously doubt that he's at the windup as he doesn't support a Scottish team. Wonder what they discussed? Hope Rod sent them packing!

[johnbc70]

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My mate works at The Hilton at Edinburgh Airport and said that Rangers had booked out a meeting room, Charles Green and Andrew Ellis turned up shortly followed by our Rod . Seriously doubt that he's at the windup as he doesn't support a Scottish team. Wonder what they discussed? Hope Rod sent them packing!

I can see this being true as Greene will no doubt be making his way around all SPL clubs to plead his case and meet each chairmen face to face. He would be silly not to meet each and every one of them. I think of all the SPL chairmen Rod has been the most vocal about the need for sporting integrity so they have probably started with the hardest nut to crack first.

[Andy Bee]

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I can see this being true as Greene will no doubt be making his way around all SPL clubs to plead his case and meet each chairmen face to face. He would be silly not to meet each and every one of them. I think of all the SPL chairmen Rod has been the most vocal about the need for sporting integrity so they have probably started with the hardest nut to crack first.

Rod was only there to stock up on towels and toiletries

[Andy74]

Rod is at the Euros is he not?

[jgl07]

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I can see this being true as Greene will no doubt be making his way around all SPL clubs to plead his case and meet each chairmen face to face. He would be silly not to meet each and every one of them. I think of all the SPL chairmen Rod has been the most vocal about the need for sporting integrity so they have probably started with the hardest nut to crack first.

His name is Green and not Greene.

[VickMackie]

Good tactic if true. It's easier to convince them individually than as a collective.

[franck sauzee]

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His name is Green and not Greene.

Does it really matter? we knew who he meant

[johnbc70]

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His name is Green and not Greene.

Please forgive me, what a terrible blunder I made!

[BEEJ]

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Please forgive me, what a terrible blunder I made!

[Brando7]

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Not really sure that it matters as rangers have sold the stadium and brand. They can no longer fulfill membership criteria and can no longer field a team for next year.

Im sure it will as this is the membership they are trying to transfer is it not?

[tamsonsbairn]

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My mate works at The Hilton at Edinburgh Airport and said that Rangers had booked out a meeting room, Charles Green and Andrew Ellis turned up shortly followed by our Rod . Seriously doubt that he's at the windup as he doesn't support a Scottish team. Wonder what they discussed? Hope Rod sent them packing!

Nice try Yak, Oor Rod is at the Euro finals with the SFA/SPL ? is he no. :giruy:

[hibbyfrankie]

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Im sure it will as this is the membership they are trying to transfer is it not?

Yes it is.
I guess what i mean is that if your already overlooking the fact that Rangers have no staff, no youth system, no stadium and can't fulfill next seasons fixtures then why worry about there accounts being filed.
Its just another rule to break.

[greenginger]

Thinking about it a bit more, it was the Dead Rangers Accounts to June 2011 that had not been provided and that was the reason for the extension to 15th June to allow time for these accounts to be submitted and permission for the club to be in the SPL if the CVA had been successful.

If the accounts have not been submitted by the deadline there should be no SPL share available for Dead Hun to transfer to the New Hun Club.

There is no excuse whatsoever for the club accounts to June 2011 not to be provided.

[SurferRosa]

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Thinking about it a bit more, it was the Dead Rangers Accounts to June 2011 that had not been provided and that was the reason for the extension to 15th June to allow time for these accounts to be submitted and permission for the club to be in the SPL if the CVA had been successful.

If the accounts have not been submitted by the deadline there should be no SPL share available for Dead Hun to transfer to the New Hun Club.

There is no excuse whatsoever for the club accounts to June 2011 not to be provided.

So Old Cheats have no share to transfer to NewCo.....hmm, let me guess....will this be conveniently ignored by our media and football authorities?

If i was the Dundee chairman i would already be consulting my clubs lawyers...

[jgl07]

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Does it really matter? we knew who he meant

Too true Valter Smythe will be in control very soon.

[monktonharp]

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Please forgive me, what a terrible blunder I made!

terrible grammar. should it not be what a terrible blunder I've made!

[hibbyfrankie]

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So Old Cheats have no share to transfer to NewCo.....hmm, let me guess....will this be conveniently ignored by our media and football authorities?

If i was the Dundee chairman i would already be consulting my clubs lawyers...

Not really because this rules state at article:
A2.7 The Board may in its absolute discretion waive, relax or grant a period of grace in respect of any Club's or Candidate Club’s requirement to comply with any part of the Membership Criteria and/or Rules A2.6 and H6.1.

so basically the SPL can do what it likes.

It also states that members must be members of the SFA although then further says membership confers SFA membership.

SFA membership cant be transferred and to be eligible for membership you need 3 years accounts which newco don't have. So the only way into the SFA is by the SPL.

The whole affair is rather confusing and i wonder how many rules will be bent or interpreted in the hope of performing necromancy.

[franck sauzee]

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Nice try Yak, Oor Rod is at the Euro finals with the SFA/SPL ? is he no. :giruy:

Can assure you I'm no yak! You don't seem so sure Rod is at the Euro Finals. I actually have no idea where he is, my mate text me saying Rangers had booked a meeting room out and Rod turned up. He might be talking pish but I doubt he would as he has no motive to do so. Anyway isn't there an SPL vote coming up on Monday? Surely Rod would be at that? No?

[Geo_1875]

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Team X is an anagram of Tax Me apparently.

Should that not be, Tax? Me?

[Lungo--Drom]

Yesterday, Friday, at 0455 in the morning, I turned off the motorway to get some grub out of Asda Govan. To get back on the M8 you have to then go along Edmiston Drive to the south west corner of Greyskull, then take a right at the roundabout and cut over to the slip road back onto the motorway.

Anyway, at the west end of the Greyskull buildings there were about 25 to 30 guys in what looked like G4S high visibility yellow coats, going in and out doorways carrying stuff and there were at least five unmarked white Ford Transit vans parked near to the building. As I was driving I couldn't see whether they were carrying stuff in or out of the building but so many people at that time in the morning was a bit strange. Anyone any idea what might have been going on?

[Dave-O]

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Yesterday, Friday, at 0455 in the morning, I turned off the motorway to get some grub out of Asda Govan. To get back on the M8 you have to then go along Edmiston Drive to the south west corner of Greyskull, then take a right at the roundabout and cut over to the slip road back onto the motorway.

Anyway, at the west end of the Greyskull buildings there were about 25 to 30 guys in what looked like G4S high visibility yellow coats, going in and out doorways carrying stuff and there were at least five unmarked white Ford Transit vans parked near to the building. As I was driving I couldn't see whether they were carrying stuff in or out of the building but so many people at that time in the morning was a bit strange. Anyone any idea what might have been going on?

Fat Sally McMoist was having a meeting with Green yesterday, could just be delivering his pies.

[Alan62]

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Yesterday, Friday, at 0455 in the morning, I turned off the motorway to get some grub out of Asda Govan. To get back on the M8 you have to then go along Edmiston Drive to the south west corner of Greyskull, then take a right at the roundabout and cut over to the slip road back onto the motorway.

Anyway, at the west end of the Greyskull buildings there were about 25 to 30 guys in what looked like G4S high visibility yellow coats, going in and out doorways carrying stuff and there were at least five unmarked white Ford Transit vans parked near to the building. As I was driving I couldn't see whether they were carrying stuff in or out of the building but so many people at that time in the morning was a bit strange. Anyone any idea what might have been going on?

Maybe Charlie Boy's doing a wee bit of midnight asset stripping while he's still in charge ...

[Just Alf]

Getting rid of the evidence!

[Kaiser1962]

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I agree, but in strict legal terms they don't have to accept the burdens of the oldco - that's what the newco procedure is all about. We've already seen that this bunch of shysters aren't afraid to go to the civil courts after the event so the SPL needs to stitch up the responsibility tight right now. Remember, Rangers FC are already out of Europe for three, maybe four years now so they've got nothing to lose by playing silly buggers.

Of course you are correct Cav but it appears, to me at least, that Newhun are applying a mish mash of rules, regulations and laws as they see fit, or as it suits their criteria. While Newhun are applying the Law of the land to their debt situation, they are ignoring it and applying football regulations in other areas, such as their Newhun status with the SPL.

There are a number of anomalies between football's governing bodies rules and regulations and the Law and all clubs sign up to adhere to the rules, laws and decisions of their respective governing bodies. Its about time someone reminded the huns of this and FIFA should get a grip on it or it is danger of runnning away from them.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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News re SPL fixtures. Team X to be included. Surely Team Ex would have been better?

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...-fixture-list/

I think this is significant and will be connected to what that Rangers Tax Case commenter said, posted above.

If the SPL have had legal advice that Green's "The Rangers" is a completely new entity and is not a continuation of "Rangers", then the "Rangers" share in the SPL will have lapsed, leaving the SPL with 11 clubs (Dunfermline having already been relegated). Therefore they have to put "Team X" in the fixture list, because there are only 11 SPL clubs. This then means that the SPL will have to have vote(s) on who to allocate the 12th share to, which will require 11-1 majority as a qualified resolution. Presumably then it would be far more likely for Dundee to get a 11-1 vote passed (no real reason for anyone to object to them) than "The Rangers".

If the legal advice was that "The Rangers" is a continuity of Rangers, then they would have just left Rangers in the fixture list.

[Ozyhibby]

Were any of them carrying a bike?