Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[NAE NOOKIE]

If the current bun fans think the vote on the new rules being postponed is a bad thing, then it must have been a good thing.

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.

[MSK]

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Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.

Aw deary me ...

[seanshow]

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What would happen about the transfer ban if Bill Miller's bid is successful since he seems to want to have both newcurrants and currentcurrants alive until a later date?

As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.

[Ray_]

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Aw deary me ...

I know, its shocking having principles!

[DaveF]

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Sounds like Doncaster is preparing us all for a Rangers Newco in the spl next season. Shameful if true. I won't be back if Hibs allow this to happen.

I would not attend Rantic games at ER (assuming we are in the SPL ) - my seat would be empty and the club would know why.

[woodythehibee]

I listened to the show and he basically said that Rangers could be re-admitted to the SPL without any punishment. He said they SPL board would decide on the basis of the improving the SPL league which realistically means that they would remain in the SPL.

[Paisley Hibby]

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As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.

Yes - that sounds pretty accurate

[jdships]

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I listened to the show and he basically said that Rangers could be re-admitted to the SPL without any punishment. He said they SPL board would decide on the basis of the improving the SPL league which realistically means that they would remain in the SPL.

Would make a good politician and like them I wouldn't trust him
" WHITEWASH " coming up methinks !

[shagpile]

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Aw deary me ...

You find this tiresome? If you want to ignore what rangers& their custodians have done then on you go. For me,It's like someone giving it to you up the arse & you then thanking them for it.

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I know, its shocking having principles!

No it isn't, because there will be at least the two of us.

[snooky]

The cynic in me says that if & when the wounded one gets better he's gonna be more intolerable and a bigger bully than ever
...... and, he will vent his wrath on all who dared to challenge him. Beware!


I might be wrong though, he could turn out to be nice cuddly teddy bear

[down the slope]

On the fans survey he more or less rubbished it by saying that when things were explained to them they understood what the position was !, the man is a complete erse of the highest order and he will rue the day he lets a Rangers newco straight back in the SPL , mark my words that is what is going to happen if has his way as he mentioned a few times that was what has happened in England with various clubs. He is a slippery as a snake and we are all wasting our time with surveys, protests the lot as the die is cast and Rangers will be in the SPL next season.

[Northernhibee]

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[Saorsa]

Doncaster = OF

[Gatecrasher]

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On the fans survey he more or less rubbished it by saying that when things were explained to them they understood what the position was !, the man is a complete erse of the highest order and he will rue the day he lets a Rangers newco straight back in the SPL , mark my words that is what is going to happen if has his way as he mentioned a few times that was what has happened in England with various clubs. He is a slippery as a snake and we are all wasting our time with surveys, protests the lot as the die is cast and Rangers will be in the SPL next season.

The guy is a complete arse, Employing this man could be the biggest mistake the SPL has made. He has shown countless times that the fans dont matter as long as the TV money is there. Im hoping the clubs see sense and throw them out or there will be hell to pay.

[jgl07]

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If rangers became a New-Co would they retain the stadium and training facilities or are these assets that will be sold off to pay the creditors?

The Newco would have to buy any assets from the Oldco. This will require the approval of creditors (and presumably Craig Whyte?).

[jdships]

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As far as Doncaster is concerned the transfer ban would be attached barnacle like to the oldco and slip into the clyde without trace, meanwhile the newco will request donations from the other 11 clubs to restore the queens eleven to its former glory in time for the start of next season.
The remaining clubs will wholeheartedly agree and will be seen running from the building trouserless with large painted arrows saying shaft me here.

........................I think that about sums it up.

As I posted on another thread BIG WHITEWASH coming up and we will all " live happily everafter" YUCH !!!!!!!!!!!
SPL is a joke sorry a BIG JOKE - does it really have a future ?

[Saorsa]

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As I posted on another thread BIG WHITEWASH coming up and we will all " live happily everafter" YUCH !!!!!!!!!!!
SPL is a joke sorry a BIG JOKE - does it really have a future ?

No for me it disnae, if this happens Scottish fitba will lose what little credibility and integrity it has left. If they start the SPL next season in any form I winnae be back ever. I'll find better things tae dae with my money than put it in tae something which is so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt. If they get away with cheating on this scale the rest of us might as well pack up.

[Killiehibbie]

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No for me it disnae, if this happens Scottish fitba will lose what little credibility and integrity it has left. If they start the SPL next season in any form I winnae be back ever. I'll find better things tae dae with my money than put it in tae something which is so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt.

Along with many others. The SPL will just be confirming that SPORT has absolutely no place in the business of taking money from us. All this SPL football needs Rangers to survive crap really get on my wick, they wouldn't be here if anybody else would have them.

[Hibees07]

I haven't really thought much about the Rangers situation however the thought of Hibs going down to Division 1 and Rangers staying in the SPL would leave a very bitter taste in the mouth.

What would put the icing on the cake is if Petrie and Co actually vote to protect Rangers SPL status despite about 98% or so of Hibs fans objecting to this in the survey.

That would be a double shafting for us and one I don't think I could stomach.

[proud_and_green]

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I think everyone is right in that for Scottish Football to remain as it is we need both Celtic and Rangers in the SPL. The thing is, the way it is is crap unless you are a Celtic or Rangers fan, though it seems to be retaining this is the priority all round. We shouldn't be surprised though as papers get sold to these fans in large numbers and TV right are sold reliant on them.

The 'good of Scottish football' seems to be a difficult thing to pin down, it's either about having a commercial product that is forged on two big clubs and trying to allow them to be competitive in Europe and is of wide interest to OF fans and interested outsiders, or it's about a widely comptitive league that can survive on its own two feet and is run in the spirit of fairness, at whatever that natural level turns out to be.

I'm afraid that the self interest of efveryone in the position of influencing the game, be it within football or in the medai, is going to ensure that things get back to 'normal' very quickly, and that will be just great for 'Scottish football'.

"The good of Scottish Football" is a very interesting statement. Conveniently used now in support of Rangers. But of course, they weren't interested in the good of Scottish Football when they wanted to leg it to England, the Atlantic, Brazil or wherever a couple of years ago.

How is the good of scottish football best served? In my view by being completely honest, open, fair and consistent in all dealings with all clubs at all times.

What is going on now is clearly not fair and has no shread of consistency when it is compared to how Livingston, Gretna and Motherwell amongst others were treated. (although i do not think what happened to them was wrong but certainly has been encouraged by the suits at Hampden).

It is not in the interests of the fans of the majority of the clubs, but it is in the interests of their owners, because without the old firm the revenue will reduce and without the revenue the profit (if there is any) will also reduce. The ability to maintain expensive squads and large grounds will be questionable. But without them there will be a more competetive league which may just rejuvenate the game and perhaps consequently bring back the fans and also perhaps give greater opportunity to young home grown players. Of course there would be a period of considerable pain but i think we would have a better product at the far end.

So therefore, the answer is that the good of Scottish Football actually means the interest of the the owners, the OF and the suits at Hampden but most certainly the Good of Scottish Football does NOT mean in the best interest and good of the fans.

OFGTF

[Jack]

What's the point in playing to the rules, both football and fiscal, if this is true?

I really despair. It would seem any thread of integrity remaining lies with UEFA or the courts, maybe through a judicial review into the decisions made.

[Weir7]

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"The good of Scottish Football" is a very interesting statement. Conveniently used now in support of Rangers. But of course, they weren't interested in the good of Scottish Football when they wanted to leg it to England, the Atlantic, Brazil or wherever a couple of years ago.

How is the good of scottish football best served? In my view by being completely honest, open, fair and consistent in all dealings with all clubs at all times.

What is going on now is clearly not fair and has no shread of consistency when it is compared to how Livingston, Gretna and Motherwell amongst others were treated. (although i do not think what happened to them was wrong but certainly has been encouraged by the suits at Hampden).

It is not in the interests of the fans of the majority of the clubs, but it is in the interests of their owners, because without the old firm the revenue will reduce and without the revenue the profit (if there is any) will also reduce. The ability to maintain expensive squads and large grounds will be questionable. But without them there will be a more competetive league which may just rejuvenate the game and perhaps consequently bring back the fans and also perhaps give greater opportunity to young home grown players. Of course there would be a period of considerable pain but i think we would have a better product at the far end.

So therefore, the answer is that the good of Scottish Football actually means the interest of the the owners, the OF and the suits at Hampden but most certainly the Good of Scottish Football does NOT mean in the best interest and good of the fans.

OFGTF

If it comes to a vote to allow new hun co to get back in. Petrie could vote no. Will he? I think he won't. Email him [email protected]

[CropleyWasGod]

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What's the point in playing to the rules, both football and fiscal, if this is true?

I really despair. It would seem any thread of integrity remaining lies with UEFA or the courts, maybe through a judicial review into the decisions made.

If what is true?

All that seems to have happened today is that a decision has been deferred.

[proud_and_green]

Another thought occurs. The problem is the business model of clubs relies on and is held hostage to the whims of the OF turning up 4 times a year. The model should be to maximise home support and ensure that the home crowd pays for everything - that is the only way to break the hold of the OF. Cut the apron strings and allow the game to flourish independantly, a 16 team top league which is competetive and delivers an exciting product.

[Weir7]

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Another thought occurs. The problem is the business model of clubs relies on and is held hostage to the whims of the OF turning up 4 times a year. The model should be to maximise home support and ensure that the home crowd pays for everything - that is the only way to break the hold of the OF. Cut the apron strings and allow the game to flourish independantly, a 16 team top league which is competetive and delivers an exciting product.

Agree. Hibs, dons and goRgie tramps should start a new league. Invite 13 other teams to join. No old firm.

[down-the-slope]

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If what is true?

All that seems to have happened today is that a decision has been deferred.

in the absence of fact....just invent some

Everyone who has kept a close eye on this knows that liquidation would be avoided at all cost (if possible) until league finishes...therefore the clubs are trying to push things to a point where that may have / be about to happen as it would make things clearer....but also why rush new rule changes...it only suits Rangers to have more certainty.....

[Saorsa]

[down the slope]

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If it comes to a vote to allow new hun co to get back in. Petrie could vote no. Will he? I think he won't. Email him [email protected]

Rp is not on the board of the SPL who will make the decision-me sticking up for Rod there's a first !, can't remember who some of the board are but Donkey and Ralph Topping are two of them so there is no chance of any integrity being shown.

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's a thought on the deferral of the decisions today. Maybe, just maybe, Doncaster, and some of the clubs have looked at the fan survey and thought, crap, we are screwed if even 10% of the fans go ahead. They need more time to get it sorted, or there will be more than huns going to the wall.

Just surmising, like.