(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

You'd think given what we've witnessed for the last 4 years that Biden would be skooshing it in the polls.

The fact he isn't is worrying.

2 elections running the Democrats have had the wrong candidate and it may well cost them.

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I predict more riots as Trump seems to feel that this is helping his cause And gives him ammunition to criticise Black Lives Matter and Tao into the psyche of those that see this not about injustice and Civil Rights , but about defending The Real America
Also a lot of the Conspiracy theorist groups love him and see him as cleaning up the Swamp and speaking out against a Global Agenda
So he seems to be making. Come back
I can’t stand him personally but he isn’t just going to go quietly that’s fir sure


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Originally Posted by Jones28

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-2016-warning

Moore isn't everyone's cup of tea but he got it bang on the money in the last election. For anyone who hasn't see it his Netflix documentary is frightening.

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Just watched it. The comparisons with the rise of the Nazis are as clear as day.

Sadly I think the UK is heading in that direction too.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

It’s quite brilliant in a very dark, dangerous and divisive way ...makes you wonder who is the architect behind this divide and rule strategy is ?

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It worked in the 1930's, why not today?

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

It worked in the 1930's, why not today?

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And in the brexit and 2016 US elections.... a modern equivalent of 1930s is happening for sure.


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Originally Posted by bigwheel

It’s quite brilliant in a very dark, dangerous and divisive way ...makes you wonder who is the architect behind this divide and rule strategy is ?

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:agree: Its what happens when you have a strategy of demonisation, along with removing the traditional burden of proof. Trump knows he can repeat claims of far left puppets, anarchists and the Democratic Party being in league, men in black in planes in the shadows, but in the age of social media the burden of proof has now magically switched to being on the accused, not the accuser :dunno: You’ve seen this time and again in politics in recent years. Demonise and then make them disprove it. Fascism Playbook.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:agree: Its what happens when you have a strategy of demonisation, along with removing the traditional burden of proof. Trump knows he can repeat claims of far left puppets, anarchists and the Democratic Party being in league, men in black in planes in the shadows, but in the age of social media the burden of proof has now magically switched to being on the accused, not the accuser :dunno: You’ve seen this time and again in politics in recent years. Demonise and then make them disprove it. Fascism Playbook.

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"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

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Yes, I’m sure it was a very similar environment in the 30s. I bet the burden of proof for the claim that Jews were a subhuman race controlling the world financial system wasn’t on the Nazis. The way news is distributed nowadays just makes it a more powerful tactic.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Yes, I’m sure it was a very similar environment in the 30s. I bet the burden of proof for the claim that Jews were a subhuman race controlling the world financial system wasn’t on the Nazis. The way news is distributed nowadays just makes it a more powerful tactic.

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Fascism can only really flourish in a society that is already on a downward trend. If you can convince the majority that a minority are to blame for all their woes, then you're half way there. Problem is that once in power they need to be seen to be doing something to correct the imaginary wrongs, that's when things get messy.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Fascism can only really flourish in a society that is already on a downward trend. If you can convince the majority that a minority are to blame for all their woes, then you're half way there. Problem is that once in power they need to be seen to be doing something to correct the imaginary wrongs, that's when things get messy.

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You also get a chance to control a lot of the narrative too when in power ..it can take a long time for people’s perceptions to change once they are convinced there’s a problem ...

https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/0...t-conventions/

Polls are pretty much unchanged since the conventions. Biden leads by about 8 points.
I think Michael Moore deliberately singled out a poll by a company known to favour Trump to try motivate democrats to campaign harder.


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Originally Posted by bigwheel

You also get a chance to control a lot of the narrative too when in power ..it can take a long time for people’s perceptions to change once they are convinced there’s a problem ...

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:agree: This is where Trump is now having trouble. The social media that helped him get elected works both ways unless you can control it. Even the MSM has all but turned against him and it's influence is still relevant if somewhat a shadow of its previous self.

“It’s under investigation” seems to be Trump’s latest go-to phrase, which allows him to make any wild accusations or statements whilst suggesting a measured fact-based response.

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

“It’s under investigation” seems to be Trump’s latest go-to phrase, which allows him to make any wild accusations or statements whilst suggesting a measured fact-based response.

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But he can't release his tax returns because they are under audit 🙄

This is what Trump's sycophants in Congress have been reduced to: unable to bring themselves to condemn a seventeen year old kid murdering two people in cold blood, for fear his electorate won't like it. What an incredible state of affairs.

https://youtu.be/7n5brpnxcyg

The 45th Amendment: the right to carry soup:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2lBNkU...png&name=large

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

"Fake news" is a nazi thing too - they called it "Lügenpresse" (lying press).

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Goring once proposed a wall round Germany to keep immigrants out.

Can’t recall who he said would pay for it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregorybr...67931975733248

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Originally Posted by easty

https://mobile.twitter.com/gregorybr...67931975733248

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The need to ban tins of soup.

Clearly, Antifa and Biden (and possibly Marx) are behind all the Soup manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

This is what Trump's sycophants in Congress have been reduced to: unable to bring themselves to condemn a seventeen year old kid murdering two people in cold blood, for fear his electorate won't like it. What an incredible state of affairs.

https://youtu.be/7n5brpnxcyg

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Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

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He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]
Good chance Trump will try pardon him in January although I’m sure murder can be tried at state level so he may not be able to.


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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

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What trump supporter was murdered because he was a trump supporter?

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]


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He was terrified for his life

Just like they Rangers fans who were terrified to be locked outside Rugby Park so had to force themselves in

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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME

Sorry but he never killed them in cold blood.. he was attacked and in fear of his life... not condoning his actions but it wasnt cold blood..... not hearing much about the trump supporter shot dead in the street at point blank range. Totally unarmed and simply because he was identified as a trump supporter . That's cold blood

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Portland one or Milwaukee?

Actually it doesn't really matter as you seem to be playing some daft 'well what about this' type game. People are dying and this divise idiot in charge is largely culpable is helping sow the seeds of resentment.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

He travelled 30 miles to another state with an illegal assault rifle to be there? Self defence?[emoji23]
Good chance Trump will try pardon him in January although I’m sure murder can be tried at state level so he may not be able to.


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That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state lines

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state lines

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If he was asked by a swimming pool to protect things why was he roaming the streets around car dealerships? And where did the gun come from? and he was still under legal age to have a firearm on the streets. And he still murdered 2 and seriously injured a 3rd.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

That part is now contested, his defence team are stating that he actually worked at a swimming pool in Kenosha so was there almost every day and his employers asked him to help protect things and that no gun actually ever crossed state lines

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Was he a security guard?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

If he was asked by a swimming pool to protect things why was he roaming the streets around car dealerships? And where did the gun come from? and he was still under legal age to have a firearm on the streets. And he still murdered 2 and seriously injured a 3rd.

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These are answers his team will have to provide, they are clearly going with the self defence approach to this one

Im not sticking up for him, he's clearly a wee ******** but just saying what the current state of play in the case is

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Was he a security guard?

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Lifeguard strangely enough!

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Lifeguard strangely enough!

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I'm an account manager, if my worked asked me to protect things.... Eh, nah.

Or was he tasked with protecting the protesters from drowning? [emoji848]

Guess he accomplished that [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

[emoji23]

I'm an account manager, if my worked asked me to protect things.... Eh, nah.

Or was he tasked with protecting the protesters from drowning? [emoji848]

Guess he accomplished that [emoji106]

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Yep he clearly fancied himself as a bit of a action hero, from what I've read from both sides of the divide I wouldn't be surprised if he gets away with it as well which is absolutely mental