You said yourself that Edinburgh is running it differently from elsewhere?Quote:
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You said yourself that Edinburgh is running it differently from elsewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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No Scotland is running it differently from the rest of the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Days after saying there was no need to revisit the Bute house agreement and after a day of pressure from senior SNP members Yousaf calls an ‘emergency’ cabinet meeting to do what he should have done a year ago. Has there ever been a weaker leader of any party? Forbes must be setting off party poppers right now. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
While I agree there is internal pressure, would you expect any leader to cast doubt on an agreement until the very moment he ended it?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Of course. This is the SNP we're talking about. Normal rules dont apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Sunak.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I wouldn’t expect them to extol the benefits of the partnership a couple of days before binning it. Though having an emergency cabinet meeting suggests he may have just succumbed to pressure over the course of yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think he’s done the right thing finally for his party, just twelve months too late.
Possibly. It would be close though. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Truss?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
She wasn’t weak, she was demented. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I’m not disagreeing that he was bounced into it, just that even if he knew he was about to dump them, you give no clues until it’s done.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Easy for Yousaf then as he doesn’t have a clue anyway. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
(Politics and bad Dad jokes, loving life. :greengrin)
D Ross apparently putting a vote of no confidence in Yousaf.
Given how angry Harvie and Slater are it would be a tight vote. I thought Harvie was going to burst in to tears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Harvie and Slater would def be bitter enough to vote against but I think as a group the most they will do is abstain.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They'll vote for him over fear of who may replace him IMO. Forbes is very outspoken of not working with the Greens for example.
Corbyn?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Aye, abstention seems the most likely but don’t underestimate how vindictive Harvie can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I hope Humza wins the vote as I don't want who comes next to take the GE pummelling. Prefer Humza goes after GE and preferably Flynn or someone not connected to the past comes in and kicks on without the disastrous polices of the last two years. Get a focus back on independence then post that we can easily change things from there
Absolutely. He will be burning with rage and thoughts of vengeance today. I think they have to act as a group though so that will likely keep him in check.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him lose leadership of the greens soon though.
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I’d be happy for Flynn to come in now with Forbes as deputy and acting FM until Flynn gets to Holyrood. Yousaf has wasted his whole time in office so far and seems unable to control the narrative at all. Maybe today is a turning point for him? Probably his last chance. Need to make big changes starting with a reshuffle that brings Forbes back into finance and makes her deputy FM.Quote:
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Harvie talking about the Greens taking a decision on the no confidence vote as a collective. I wonder if that means they will vote as a collective or if there will be dissent and either a rogue vote or a free vote.
If they do vote as a collective, and the decision is to vote in favour of the Ross motion, then it's hard to see how Yousaf wins. He just won't have the numbers if Labour and Lib Dems also back it.
The way Harvie was talking and given the vindictive streak he has shown before it's hard to see how he can then vote that he has confidence in the FM.
Would all the SNP MSP's support Humza :dunno:
Given the done thing would be to dissolve the government if there was a no confidence vote I think they would from a self preservation point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
None of them will fancy going to the electorate at the moment.
Yes. One thing this motion does is help unite the SNP back together. So well done Ross for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
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It’s a VONC in Yousaf not the govt. The Tories don’t want an election either which is why they did that. SNP will just choose a new leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Yup, 28 days to pick a new leader by simple majority. HY on a shoogly peg but I think he'll get the numbers.
Given that the Greens will now effectively be the 3rd biggest opposition party now, will that twat Alex Cole Hamilton still get a question at FMQ's? This could be a really good day.
A dark day for anyone who wants a fairer, greener Scotland. The SNP leadership capitulated to the most conservative & bigoted forces in Scotland
The @scottishgreens are the only party standing up for people and planet. Join us in that fight
💚🌍👇
https://x.com/ross_greer/status/1783...aY_rH0m4EYSRhg
If he’s the future of the Green Party then they are finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Greens will vote to oust Humza says STV News.
Ash Regan supporting SNP so 64-64, down to the PO who is a green :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
This could be a very good day for Scottish politics IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
1. Humza potentially goes and gets replaced with someone competent.
2. Greens are out of government.
3. With the parties in dispute less SNP voters give Green their second vote next time around.
Ash Regan’s support is conditional on her demands being met. What an absolute humiliation this is becoming for Yousaf. He may survive the vote but he a dead man walking now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
That’s counting on no SNP rebels and Ash not changing her mind between her statement today when it was just a hypothetical and the actual vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Regan isn’t to save him for nothing in return. The greens have played their hand since she said that and potentially put a lot of power in her hands.
Yup I listened to that from a rather smug Alex Salmond. It may all be for nothing though if Fergus does what I'm thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
3 absolutely fantastic outcomes. Need to get the new leader in quickly, and get on with governing competently to build support for independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Greens in their desire for revenge will force Yousaf out to be replaced with a more centrist choice acceptable to Regan. That’s real vindictiveness and I have to take my hat off to that. [emoji23]
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Who do you suggest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Apart from Ewing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Ewing will get what he wants now anyway which is shot of the greens and focus back on bread and butter issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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I was very impressed with Kate Forbes during the leadership vote. As far as I can see she’s kept her powder dry since then and not alienated herself from the party which some leadership runner ups tend to do so could be in with a very good chance if she wants it.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I’m not necessarily a SNP voter though (I don’t have a preferred party as such and vote for whoever impresses me the most / or more commonly the least worst candidate) so whilst I think this would be the opinion of the overall electorate, this opinion might not be that of the SNP supporters.
I think we could have a lot worse people in charge and that would likely be my preferred option unless someone I’ve not seen much of comes to the fore and impresses more.
I’m starting to think Forbes or Flynn will be in very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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Humza is gone regardless of the vote. The greens over played their hand and Humza pushed them out. It’s bad political judgment from them all. As for another SNP FM without an election that would be ridiculous. All the arguments that they have made against the Tories would be used against them.
Ash Reegan is a poor politician but I have no doubt she will vote for Humza. She has no choice, if Humza goes and and election called she is out a job
Who would have thought that Scottish politics would look more messy than Westminster
It's not pretty but it's also nowhere near as messy as the ****show we've had in Westminster the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
An election now is bad for the SNP, Tories, Ash Regan and possibly the Greens now that they won’t have SNP lost voters. Just because it’s bad for all those people does not mean it won’t happen. Miscalculations happen all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
I think Yousaf is toast but Regan finds she can back Forbes. And if she is smart, Regan then goes back to SNP to help save herself after election.
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Losing a leader as a direct result of vote of no confidence would be an utter humiliation for the Scottish Government. Yousaf now has to decide whether or not to go with the slightly less humiliating option of dancing to Alba’s tune in order to save his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Anybody think he may decide leave before it gets to a vote?
I think he will go before a vote. It’s the normal way of things. He knows he can’t deal with Regan.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I doubt he will resign. He is ultra ambitious but not as ambitious as his wife. They think they are the new Sturgeon/Murell dream team. Humza is a nice guy and very personal but he’s been out his depth ever since we became a Government minister never mind FM.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Really? This had never occurred to me. Do you think humiliation is a major driver in politics?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
The greens threatened to leave the BHA. The FM has taken a strong stance and horsed them out rather than wait weeks on a decision. Harvey, slater, Greer etc all have spat the dummy talking about Conservative and bigots having won and then saying they will vote with those Conservative bigots. Childish behaviour and electoral suicide. They will definitely lose seats as 2nd votes will cease from SNP voters. Interesting that all they talked about today was environment and they glossed over their views on gender and their outbursts regarding the Cass report.
Humza to resign and Neil Gray to replace him. Or so says Murdo Fraser anyway.
Surely not?
Wouldn't be surprised if he resigned to avoid humiliation of the no confidence vote, but can't see a coronation for Neil grayQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It’s not in his gift to appoint a successor.Quote:
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I’m guessing the plan would be to have him as the only contender in a leadership contest. I can’t see it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I would think there is zero chance of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I don't think he'll resign, not even if he loses the vote. At worst it'll be 1 or 2 over the threshold and he'll sit it out.
Had the popcorn 🍿 out most of the day …most enjoyable watching both sides either defend or slaughter Yousless…due to the buffoon’s incompetence the SNP will likely get a boost once he is emptied and a capable replacement is found.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/here-you-go-again/
Looks like Murdo could be right - another cabinet meeting this morning according to Wings.
Yip. Those two will be right at the heart of what’s going on.[emoji106]Quote:
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Wings was way ahead of the MSM in breaking the news on emergency cabinet meeting that took place yesterday. Of course you'll have dismissed it out of hand without reading the article because it's Wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yup, kinda enjoyed watching the interviews on the news, with them all blaming each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Be a good thing in the end though. They've had their time and we need something fresh up here.
I guess the Westminster elections will give an indication of how Holyrood will go for the SNP.
Hopefully the Greens will be emptied. They've had far too much say up here and have been a disaster for the country.
I wonder if the Greens ease up a bit over the weekend? It would not be good for them to be siding with the Tories to bring down the SNP when they rely on a lot of SNP voters giving them their list vote. Harvey is vindictive but clearer heads in the party might start to push against him over the next few days. Their stance just now is pushing the govt to the centre away from them.
Yousaf standing down may be best for all though.
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Two years apart though. SNP with new leadership and midterm of a Labour government may not perform as badly as it looks now.Quote:
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Yousaf cancels today’s speech on the path towards Independence.
Waiting for Alba to tell him what it now is?
https://x.com/bbcjamescook/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Lots of political miscalculations yesterday. Wonder who will cave first.
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https://x.com/scotnational/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Labour going for VONC in govt. This is much more serious. It’s probably designed to put Tories in tricky situation. Probably helps Yousaf though.
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Reckon the Green gimps will side with Yousless, their salaries and SNP second vote are more valuable than their principles 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
An election now suits Labour but almost nobody else. There will be a way found to avoid it. Hopefully it involves Yousaf stepping aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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I wonder if part of the problem is that the SNP have been so strong for so long that someone like Humza has forgotten that they work within a system designed for minority government. One which values cooperation, compromise and consensus. He alienated those in his own party who backed his leadership rivals and overlooked all of them for key jobs, dismissed someone who he may very well have to rely on to keep his job as 'no great loss' and he's now shattered any meaningful cooperation with the Greens in the short to medium term.
The lack of willingness to really work strategically with members of the wider yes movement post 2014 and the nonsensical insistence on the 'both votes SNP' mantra suggests some in the party working on strategy believed they could force a majority for the foreseeable one way or another. I'm not convinced being forced to govern as a minority again for the next 2 or 3 years will be any bad thing. It might even see independence become the raison d'etre for the SNP again as opposed to the current 'keep us in power'.
I think SGP would be a lot less likely to vote against the government than against the FM. The VONC in Yousaf is about him specifically, and given his actions yesterday it’s understandable why they would vote against him - they can no longer have confidence in him to work cooperatively in a way that is best for Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Both votes SNP was successful for them pre 2015. It only resulted in wasted voted when they started dominating at constituency level. The current polls suggest that both votes SNP may be the best strategy once again. It’s the way I will go next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Is there any chance you can grow up and post on this topic without the silly name calling? It's absolutely pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
By all.means enjoy the chaos but you really drag the whole thing down.
Nope 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Great, well.done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Admins, you can add me as someone else who will avoid this board. And probably .net in general.
I can't recall how well supported Ash Regan was in the leadership vote, but it wasn't all that significant. It seems an absurdity that she might be calling the shots as a minority voice when the broader party didn't want her as a leadership contender. This might go to credibility of HY if he yields in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I agree. There are plenty of ways to express your disapproval of someone/something without childish name calling. Any time I see something like that it makes me value the opinion less. Most often when I see someone refer to the “clowncil”.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
About 9% I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
Yousaf is now holed below the waterline either way. Any concessions in any direction hurt him elsewhere. It’s going to need a fresh voice.
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Almost as absurd as the Greens calling the shots for the past three years with their small share of the electoral vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
Or the DUP calling the shots on Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Yeap. It’s what happens when you have weak Government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://x.com/scott_wortley/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Douglas Ross saying he will prevent an election. Smart move from the Tories.
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I'm with you on this Dave and I'm sure we all agree healthy debate is good, but anyone who persists with silly, childish name calling should be stopped from doing so.Quote:
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GGTTH
Is your sole purpose on here to act like a 6 year old? Quite sad really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
It’s a football fans forum not a discussion in the parliamentary chamber… Check other topics, like slagging the Tories with insults (which also make me smile)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
https://x.com/ka****t/status/1783834...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
A little bit more focus on stuff like this and he might not be where he is now.
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It’s been deleted so didn’t see itQuote:
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What seems like most SNP/Independence supporters, im
Over the moon that the greens have been kicked out.
Also hoping that HY resigns and lets someone else come
In and refresh the SNP and scottish politics.
Humza is useless.
Its actually got to the point where I hate the SNP but I feel like I still need to vote for them due to independence and no other alternatives.
Although it’s just flashed up on my phone that he is refusing to resign.
Just like saying he backed the Bute House agreement right up until he didn’t, it will be the same if he resigns. He won’t telegraph that he’s thinking of it. He might not even see it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I think he will be gone very soon though. When people stop listening to you, then you are toast. And nobody is listening to him now.
Flynn just hinted he wouldn’t run but I’m almost certain he would. Everyone is playing cards close to their chest.
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Dotnet censor!Quote:
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Why? What have they done to make you hate them?Quote:
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So Jackie Baillie says that Labour will support Douglas Ross' no confidence motion. That's nice. I hope all our Labour supporters on here take note of where their party's allegiances lie.
As much as this sticks in my craw…Flynn would make mince meat out of DRoss and Sarwar in most debates …Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As does Yousaf, but you refuse to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Flynn won’t have time to run given he would need a Holyrood seat. He will back Forbes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No he doesn’t he is a broken record … over promoted for his abilities…. I have seen Sturgeon rip the opposition up regularly when she was First Minister, Seen Dugdale come out top on a few debates … Forbes is possibly the most talented young MSP in the chamber but seems to be ignored by her party. Had she won the leadership campaign, imho I doubt this chaos would be occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm not convinced he'd even want to leave the comfort of Westminster for Holyrood.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I'd back my much loved goldfish against Dross, the fish died a few years back but would still do well in a political debate.Quote:
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Big announcement by First Minister Humza Yousaf as he faces no confidence motion next week - £80m funding over two years to increase number of affordable homes. Money would allow empty homes to be bought by organisations to reduce homelessness.
If that's true, it sums up why my inner cynic hates politicians.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Embarrassingly transparent on every possible level.
As a fellow cynic…. Amazing timing for this announcementQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod